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Stephen > Hey, long time no see. I was just thinking about you. Are there ever going to be any more issues of the Avalon Mists webzine? It's been over six months now.

The concept of "world" sports champions always seems suspect to me. After all, it's not like any one outside the United States is fielding football teams. Japan plays baseball, but we don't let them compete in the running for the "World" Series. So national champions, yes. World champions... well... not until we have world competition.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, January 19, 2003 08:32:59 PM
IP: 67.38.246.17

<lone spotlight on a pewter and red helmet,,,>

[singing]
We've paid our dues, time after time...
We've done our sentence, but commited no crime.
And bad mistakes... yes, we've made a few...
We've had our share of sand kicked in our face
Now we've come through!

(And We mean to go on, and on, and on, and on!)

WE Are the Champions, my Friend!
And We'll keep on fighting 'till the end!
WE Are the Champions, WE are the Champions!
No We're NOT Losers!
'Cause WE are the Champions... of THE WORLD!!!

# # #

Much apologies if that last phrase seems premature... but, DAMNIT, BUCCANEERS WON THE NFC CONFERENCE!!! WE'RE GOING TO SAN DIEGO AND THE SUPER BOWL!!!

MAINTAIN AND CHECK SIX!!!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa Bay, FL, USA
Sunday, January 19, 2003 08:00:56 PM
IP: 65.35.132.55

Anyone else playing Panzer Dragoon Orta? It is a really well-done rail-shooter-type game for the Xbox. And one that I am having trouble with board 10 on easy ;)
silvadel
Sunday, January 19, 2003 06:47:10 PM
IP: 208.59.133.50

DPH> <>
...
...
...
*snickers* Please tell me that you didn't mean that the way it sounded...

<<The syllabus was the size of a small book, 40+ pages.>>
Is syllabus really the right word, then?

<<But I would argue that a much smaller sample size of the local population would prove my point right.>>
Oh, sure. It's only _other_ people's family members who abuse children. You can never, ever _truly_ prove a point right by using a smaller sample size. (Unless you're narrowing the parameters to go along with it.)

Josh> <<George Carlin would have a good response to this.>>
If I ask, will I regret it?

<<My brother would disagree. He's short.>>
...See above.

Jaden> <>
I am. Thank you. :)

Lain> <<"yeah, ive done that before but i wanted to use something cheap and non-toxic this time">>
*L* Ouch. Poor dear.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, January 19, 2003 06:18:07 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

sweet. What happened?
Josh
Sunday, January 19, 2003 03:04:47 PM
IP: 64.173.21.174

**********WARNING... IDIOCY**********
"hi there, i was wondering, could you tell me if you sell the glue to make paper mache? i have a class of grade one kids and i want to use newsprint and balloons to make masks."
"well.. usually we just reccommend white flour, water, and if you want some extra stick, you can put a little white childrens glue in the mix, too"
"yeah, ive done that before but i wanted to use something cheap and non-toxic this time" **

**true story

***************END IDIOCY*************

thats about all i wanted to share, i think.. oh.. other than

josh>> consider me converted. never EVER again will i spend a penny on a new computer that ISNT a mac. microsoft can go #(&*$% itself.

*ahem*

the end.
lain
Sunday, January 19, 2003 10:01:19 AM
IP: 65.93.79.64

I'll make this quick because I really want to get some sleep. SLEEP GOOD! SLEEP GOOD!

Silvadel- I'll have to try that out. It is true that Washington doesn't get a whole lot of sunshine this time of year. Thanks.

Bud-Clare- I hope you are feeling better.
<does the Government need a reason to do something stupid> Take it from me, NO. They function pretty well of reflex alone.

Green Baron- You should see the weather now. Bright and sunny during the work days but does it last until the weekend? Noooooooo

Soju- Ok, I'm going to warm everyone here. If you drink soju be careful. While you're sitting you may not realize how drunk you are until you stand up and fall face first into the table. Then as you try to get back up you pull your friend down with you which of course causes him to accidently spill every drink on the table on you. Oh and it tastes great when mixed with pink lemonade.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Well I'm off to ram my face into a pillow, then to get some sleep.
Later.

Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, January 19, 2003 02:51:17 AM
IP: 172.173.46.28

Finally started that personal statement for law school. So far its a "why America pisses me off" rant. Hopefully it'll get refined before I mail it in.

Oh, btw, you can no longer email me at ANYTHING@. Only Josh works.

Bud-Clare: <<There's something you don't hear every day>>: George Carlin would have a good response to this. <<You just can't win, height-wise>>: My brother would disagree. He's short. <<That's a pretty counterproductive way of trying to save money>>: I agreed, but he wouldn't hear it 8-)

Fire Storm: <<The devil shal lead you to salvation>>: Which way!? <<Logon notice: NO FRELLING GAY FURRY PORN!>>: Just make that your login name 8-) <<What's the difference between C and C++?>>: An increment of 1 8-) <<Now, all you need is a superweapon>>: Check. <<she kinda doesn't want to finish Goblet because she doesn't want to have to wait for the next book>>: I understand. But half-finishing Goblet will drive her batty, I promise. <>: Hopefully not too often. <>: Only two? <>: I can't wait to see what happens to my classmates.

Leo: <<That school must be very selective>>: Every school has to start somewhere. When my elementary school first opened, they had only 6 students.

DPH: <<did my email to you get through>>: yes. no need to get so defensive, I never give out emails. <<So when does encryption come in, before or after the file is padded?>>: Not sure yet. <<you haven't seen the math problems I invent for myself to solve>>: Get a hobby. <<my math nature makes solving those not too difficult>>: You just sounded both arrogant and stupid. You claim to have great intelligence yet design problems for yourself that you can easily solve to prove this intelligence? <<learning how to use the version of Microshaft Word pre-installed on my computer>>: Typing is that difficult for you, huh?

Gside: <<that's the response to a question of when, for a question of what, you should say "Nothing.">>: No, my answer is NEVER. <<or there's no handy compression utility>>: Proprietary archive format that even the creator can't read, like AOL-MIME.

100. To keep my subjects permanently locked in a mindless trance, I will provide each of them with free unlimited Internet access.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, January 19, 2003 02:43:54 AM
IP: 64.173.20.46

Leo: <Ummm, wern't you the one who posted the link to that "a little gay" LOTR site a few weeks ago????>
No, that was me. The joke about the login notice was about not caring about what you put on the server.
FIre Storm
Sunday, January 19, 2003 02:33:58 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Fire Storm:<<Logon notice: NO FRELLING GAY FURRY PORN!>>

*blink* *blink*

Ummm, wern't you the one who posted the link to that "a little gay" LOTR site a few weeks ago????

or was that Gside

I'm too lazy to look. :p
Leo
Sunday, January 19, 2003 01:04:11 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Gside: <Probably only one to five years per generation, varying on plagues and breakthroughs in treatment.> Okay okay, my math is horrible and all that but that wasn't my point. It was basically that we'll all die sometime. Even me and my kids, when and if theyre ever born. ;)

Dezi
Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:39:26 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Imzadi: <The credo of porn servers everywhere!>
Logon notice: NO FRELLING GAY FURRY PORN!
put 2_men_1_in_panda_fursuit_1_in_cat_Fursuit.mov
<Corporal Punishment!>
Hmm... You know, I bet there IS a market for dominatrix's dressed as Corporals
<And if not, why not!?>
No kidding! Take from the unused, use for yourself!

What's the difference between C and C++?
<You bet I do!>
Now, all you need is a superweapon!

GB: <That's even worse than having a sexual fanatsy for Bill Clinton>
One word: Monica

Revel: <you like being smacked do you, you my friend, are beginning to worry me>
Only beginning?

Patrick: <Just posting a link here for all those Harry Potter fans who want to start making their "camping out in front of Barnes and Noble" plans.>
I was just talking to LM about this. I got her the books for Christmas and she kinda doesn't want to finish Goblet because she doesn't want to have to wait for the next book.

Gside: <Oh, but I am. I think I'll go on a burning rampage next semester, without checking the files, while I can make use of the bandwidth.>
And you aren't doing that already?
Is next semester your last? When does your current semester end?

Ah, ya need a script that monitors it.
Hey, does your bandwidth include the following: Someone sets up in your dorm and it is used for classmate-to-classmate ICQ traffic? (Barring the fact that ICQ servers are probably banned from use.)
<That sounds vaguely Pythonish.>
I was trying!

Spacebabie: <No it didn’t.>
Well, in my book, it did! :)
I am crude, rude, and occasionally, nude.

Mooncat: 
Hmm... ::FS brings his ex-girlfriends in to the store::
Yeah, I would like my deposit back on these two...

Hyperion: <"Sure. And since we're a team, why don't you do the diet part.">
Reminds me of the comedian that said that his mother weighed herself while holding the cat, and would 'lose weight' by starving the cat

DPH: <no, I don't need approval for the content as much as I want help with creating the content>
Well then, that's ok.
<Take it from a paranoid man, nobody will kill you in here.>
Speak for yourself! They are all out to get me. EVERYONE is out to get me! That's why everyone must die! ALL must die so they can't get me!
SPIDERS! SPIDERS! KEEP THEM OFF ME!

Same. Do I write an essay on gravity or do I piece together 12 variables and figure out how to et 1g from circular acceleration (depending on the diameter and rotation speed)? Hmm... tough choice!

Aaron: <Obviously they need to get flying carpets off the proscribed muggle artifacts list.>
I am not that far in the series and LM needed to explain it to me. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Greg Bishansky: <Just my luck, I end up having a thing for a girl that goes on to commit grand larceny>
Figures. I went to school with a Hustler centerfold and someone that married a mass murder
Fire Storm the UNIX student
Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:06:40 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Dezi> <>: Probably only one to five years per generation, varying on plagues and breakthroughs in treatment.

Imzadi> <<Never>>: No, that's the response to a question of when, for a question of what, you should say "Nothing."
<<Nixon...>>: He was Tricky, which can be good.
<<Masturbation?>>: All the time.
<<But then you won't enjoy your work>>: Depends on what kind of thinking. Some can be fun, but uses resources I'd rather preserve.
<<George Forman has five sons, all named George>>: And he was being uncreative.
<<It was a while ago. Get over it>>: I pretty much am, but I despise such a homonym whenever I see it, and then to find one in my own writing.
<<Any data file of crucial importance will be padded to 1.45Mb in size>>: Make sure it's uncomressable padding, or there's no handy compression utility.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:35:17 PM
IP: 68.38.240.227

Green Baron - <Now maybe you believe that crap about an Elect, but neitehr of us beleive there is a pre-set number of peopel who will enter Heaven.> Actually, I believe in some of Fate so that somebody in the future could give an accurate count of the number of people saved on any day in the past. There is a pre-set number of people who will enter Heaven. Depending on your theology, after all is said and done, there are only so many people who entered heaven. I have no idea what that number is, but the number of people who will have entered heaven by x date could be counted. I haven't done enough historical research to estimate how many people hyothetically made into heaven, but I would hope by now, at least 10,000,000 have. [The problem is the faith of the Dark Ages when the Catholic church was in charge] <If I do see Sadaam Hussein in Kosovo, I hope no one holds it against me if I shoot him.> Before or after he's gunned down?

Leo - <That school must be very selective.> I'd like to add one thing to that. Since there are only 85 students allowed to enroll, every student should have prepaid upfront with 0 students on scholarships.

Imzadi - <The incest at Mt. Olympus puts the entire
Southern US to shame.> Good thing some people who live in Arkansas don't consider themselves Southerners. BTW, did my email to you get through? <99. Any data file of crucial importance will be padded to 1.45Mb in size.> Good move. So when does encryption come in, before or after the file is padded? <But don't you just love the feeling of your tongue stuck to metal?> Hmm. I'm not that crazy. <They didn't just xerox it for everyone?> The syllabus was the size of a small book, 40+ pages. <Wording an essay carefully is hard.> I translated a paper from English into Spanish years ago and got an "A", but it took hours to get the good translation. <That's because extremely complicated math problems are easy> Obviously, you haven't seen the math problems I invent for myself to solve. Of course, my math nature makes solving those not too difficult.

Dezi - <My goal this semester is to see how many classes I can get away with, without having to buy the book.> because of that, you will miss a vital physical fitness program.

Aaron - <Okay, this is meant neither to disparage
your family, or make a general Arkansas crack, but statistically speaking, far more children are abused by family members then by strangers.> In general, yes. But I would argue that a much smaller sample size of the local population would prove my point right.

Patrick - <"...it's COLD out there today!> You better believe it with the highs reaching just above the freezing point of water.

Taleweaver - <What's happening in here and the realm of fanfiction?> Did you miss season 4 of Timedancer?

Friday, I had the joy of attending classes with only 4-5 hours of sleep while learning how to use the version of Microshaft Word pre-installed on my computer.

Oh yea, there is something I've been meaning to ask. I consider the Excaliber (from B5) and Vorlon ships to be the best in terms of max output in one shot. But what ship would be the best design in terms of continous rapid fire?
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, January 18, 2003 09:59:36 PM
IP: 204.94.193.66

Re: News Link.

"Christina McBride, 24,....one of 85 students at the school..."

That school must be very selective. :-P
Leo
Saturday, January 18, 2003 02:56:42 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

News link!

Reminds me of this troubled boys academy that had 666 as the first digits of their Tax ID
Fire Storm - [<---- The devil shal lead you to salvation!]
Saturday, January 18, 2003 02:16:29 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Dezi> <>
It's probably best not to ask.

Coyote> <>
I didn't make an assessment. Hell, I didn't even give an opinion. I stated a fact, that there were several episodes that I didn't find at all funny. While you could argue that they were, in fact, funny, you can't argue with the fact that I didn't find them funny. (I'm being a bitch today. Sue me.)

Greg> <<Just my luck, I end up having a thing for a girl that goes on to commit grand larceny.>>
Condolences.

Josh> <<Clearly, you need airport.>>
...There's something you don't hear every day...

<<Then you realized that if you were perfect, you'd be able to reach them.>>
Nah, that doesn't work. All that you could prove by that line of reason is that it's impossible to prove perfection based on height (or that there's no such thing as a perfect height). If I were taller, I'd bang my head on (more) things, etc. You just can't win, height-wise. (That's the silliest conversation I've had today. Fun, though.)

<<Short trip.>>
Yeah? And? Your point being?

<<Of course, he's retaking two classes that he's failed.>>
That's a pretty counterproductive way of trying to save money. ;)

<<George Forman has five sons, all named George.>>
George Foreman is a freak of nature. In a bad way.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, January 18, 2003 05:52:54 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Woot. Lunch at Apple today, and I talked with the new guy in the powerbook development group (he was my roommate's roommate last summer while they were interns at Apple). Its kind of scary actually talking with someone my age who knows about six sigma and all its glory and excesses. Hopefully he pitched me to the talent scout. I really want that internship.

More good news: I finally checked with Monster.com (the resume/job site) and they've fixed their conflict with SBC DSL, so I can upload my resumes and submit them automatically. About frikkin' time! All last semester it didn't work. Good thing I wasn't applying for a full time position.

Taleweaver: <<What's happening in here and the realm of fanfiction?>>: Never.

Patrick: <<near the top of my class>>: Not near enough! <<avoid having to get a job for four or five more years>>: Three. <<enough additional student loan debt to keep me a slave to my future wages until I'm nearing retirement age>>: Yeah, that's a good point. All the law schools I'm applying to are private, all the engineering schools I'm applying to are public. Even if I work my butt off this summer and next and my parents help me out, I'd probably finish with $50-$60k in debt. <<something that just sounds very intriguing about being able to make a living 'reviewing briefs'>>: LOL <<Which marks the first time ever I've wished I lived in Alaska>>: You mean the fact that the state income tax is NEGATIVE (really!) has never enticed you?

Greg X: <<not Khaza'dun. Z'ha'dum>>: I know what you said. I'm certainly capable of re-typing a direct quote. I just like that name 8-) <<You are simply misstating how science and logic work in order to make a debating point that doesn't hold up under scrutiny>>: Ooh I really like that! May I add it to my quotes page? <<She was the Head Cashier>>: Is that some sort of prostitute? <<When you think you know someone>>: I've finally concluded that most people think they are a lot more complicated than they really are, but they aren't. There are only so many issues to choose from. Sorry about the bad luck.

Gabriel: <<is that a word?>>: No, Don King, its not ;-) <>: Is there any line where its okay to kill to protect something inanimate (other than the case where destroying the thing would kill other people)? <<Ted Kazinksy>>: Its my understanding that what he did does not qualify as a jihad or pogrom. He killed people who pissed him off for one reason or another. I don't think that's a belief system. And if it is, then any mass murderer has declared jihad.

Green Baron: <<might as well put Mt Olympus in the Appalachian mountains>>: The incest at Mt. Olympus puts the entire Southern US to shame. <<like terrorists and suburban developers>>: Yeah, GM should be shot 8-) <<It's been a while since I threw a cheap shot at France>>: True, and there's no one here to get upset. Even the hippy Gabriel doesn't care. <<Man, I'm on a roll>>: But its not a very funny one. <<not a violet person>>: Good, because we'd have to change your name to Purple Baron. <<except when my internet connection is slow>>: I turn red, myself. <>: I won't tell anyone. <<That is a lawful evil indicator to me>>: What if they believe they're lawful good? Its not like someone chooses their alignment, it just happens. <<a hose full of pig grease can work>>: I wonder why so many religions forbid eating pork. Never understood it. <>: If I'm lucky, up to her neck in concrete. <<My son: Osbert; Daughter: Mary Elizabeth>>: God you're evil. <>: Good idea. <<Next Gathering we both to go, I owe you a drink. How's that for thanks?>>: Sold! <<Britney Spears?>>: No its not her. Unless she'll only sleep with me if she can call me nerfle. Then it's okay. Once. <<Too bad you don't have a high paying Engineering job with Brown and Route. You could make at minimum 100K in a place like Kosovo and pay no taxes, too>>: Yeah...but I'd be in Kosovo. I only want to be in California. <<Little Dick ;) Now that would be a horirble nickname>>: Nixon... <<which is one grade below what they use for dogfood>>: and yet still better than what they serve in the UC Berkeley dorms. <<Ted Kaczinsky, proud product of a Berkeley Education>>: Don't remind me. I got enough of that crap in high school. Besides, he was one of those loonies in the math department.

Kaioto: <>: Didn't sound very defensive to me. <<overlook the possibility that human knowledge of right and wrong may originate from God without knowledge of such a Deity or belief in such>>: True, but that's totally irrelevant to whether or not an atheist can justifiably be a pacifist. <<who adamantly and repeatedly claims that "There is no mass in space.>>: He would then be an idiot 8-)

Aaron: <<People who support crippling me by raising gas prices>>: it would cripple me too. <<it has Fang's VA in it, so it's good for playing six degrees of separation>>: You gargoyles people are nuts. <<Check my links>>: Like I said, not a real SUV. I saw it at the auto show. Totally lame. <<but who'd be hitting who?>>: Yes. <<Read it and weep>>: what's really funny is that they're hiring interns from Berkeley. Saw the job posting today. <<try to be nicer to Godiva>>: That WAS nice 8-) <<Number one in a field of one, I suspect>>: Masturbation? <<I'm also just opposed in principle to putting cameras everywhere so the government can scare us into behaving>>: Amen to that. <<Obviously they need to get flying carpets off the proscribed muggle artifacts list>>: That poor arab guy is probably still trying to sell them. <<Or hand grenades>>; Any explosive, really. <<I'd take a P-38 or a P-47 over a P-51 any day>>: I don't think the bomber crews would agree.

Bud Clare: <<There's something not quite right about my wireless adapter>>: Clearly, you need airport. <<That certainly needed to be shared>>: Well I have to advertise, otherwise no one knows to find me 8-) <>: Then you realized that if you were perfect, you'd be able to reach them. Kind of like that "god creating a hot dog so big he can't eat it" type of thing ;-) <<Are you both trying to drive me mad?>>: Short trip. <<Nerfle?>>; Nope.

Dezi: <<My goal this semester is to see how many classes I can get away with, without having to buy the book. Last year I only had to buy one book for my seven classes>>: My roommate didn't have to buy any books! Of course, he's retaking two classes that he's failed. <<in other words, a future news camara person>>: You should practice saying "would you like fries with that?" :-) <<Both are available at your nearest Disney store>>: Next time I see one. <>: Women pass that myth down so that women will feel special, oddly enough. <<Katresha (Kat) doesn't seem like the slutty type>>: But I don't know her, so the rule may not apply.

Gside: <<Just because I don't like it in general doesn't mean I won't do it when the chips are down>>: But then you won't enjoy your work! <<Someone was being uncreative>>; George Forman has five sons, all named George. <>: It was a while ago. Get over it.

99. Any data file of crucial importance will be padded to 1.45Mb in size.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, January 18, 2003 02:48:59 AM
IP: 64.170.155.110

Just my luck, I end up having a thing for a girl that goes on to commit grand larceny.

First, some background

For the past six months I worked at the store with this girl named Lena. She was the Head Cashier and she was very easy going, and still got things done, much better than the other Head Cashier (the one that works mornings). She and I got along very well, I thought of her as a friend. She was a very attractive red-head also, very strong personality which I dig. I was kinda into her.

I go into today, and she's not in, and she's not schedualed for tomorrow or next week either, and later I find out that she was fired on Tuesday. Wait, it gets better... On Tuesday, she was taken out of the store in handcuffs by two state troopers for stealing. Not stealing books, not stealing just a little bit of money, but for stealing thousands of dollars.

After the initial shock wore off (I just couldn't believe it, it took a few hours to wrap my brain around the concept), I wondered how she could be so stupid. There is no way an employee can steal from this store and get away with it. Jesus f*cking Christ. I liked her.

When you think you know someone.

Real post... later.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, January 18, 2003 01:47:20 AM
IP: 216.179.3.29

Gside: < So your children will be born at the instant you die of old age? That takes skill.> I was taking into account that they would live a lot longer than me due to medical advances. That, and I'm terrible at math, especially on the spot math in my head. Don't worry, I don't plan on designing bridges or anything like that anyway.
Dezi
Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:44:01 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Did I see someone mention Excel Saga? **lights up**

I kinda disagree with your assessment, Bud-Clare, I've been picking up the DVD's, which are up to ep #13, and enjoying them immensely on every viewing (despite the fact that Excel's dub voice drives my mother bananas).

Might I add ... whoever translated the series for ADV is apparently a fan of Monty Python, or at least the Holy Grail ... there've been multiple occurrences of characters in the dub yelling "RUN AWAY!", a character (Good Excel) in Episode 1 saying "It's a fair cop," and Matsuya in the sewer says "It looks like someone was expecting the Spanish Inquisition" as torture implements float by in ep #7.
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:06:55 AM
IP: 66.103.234.173

Bud Clare> <<How nice for you>>: It gets me by.

Imzadi> <<A fine engineer you'll make>>: Just because I don't like it in general doesn't mean I won't do it when the chips are down.
<<Sucks to be you!>>: At least I get to have some fun being me.
<<What if the dog is named David too?>>: Someone was being uncreative.
<>: Maybe they should.

Green Baron> <<There is that whole "I'm too sexy" song>>: Right. My bad.

Aaron> <<You must see Digi Charat. It's more demented the Excel Saga>>: I've heard rumors, and seen a few clips, but I'll probably get around to it.
<<messes with there statistics/accounting.>> Exactly>>: I never noticed that I used that homonym. !@#$

Bud Clare> <>: Try being large and using mass transit.
<<Up to episode 10 or so>>: You must keep going until the end. Episode 26 is very wrong.

Dez> <<For a girl I like Kaehle>>: Ceilidh. See www.avalonhigh.com or the Black 47 song.
<<About seventy years after that, my kids will be dead>>: So your children will be born at the instant you die of old age? That takes skill.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, January 17, 2003 11:45:27 PM
IP: 68.38.240.227

My goal this semester is to see how many classes I can get away with, without having to buy the book. Last year I only had to buy one book for my seven classes. Hope.....
All in all, though I'm having fun. Being a communications/electronic media major ( in other words, a future news camara person) I get to play with the camaras this semester big time. It's fun, I get to pretend like I'm in the real world. Wheeeee!

Josh: <We watched Lilo and Stitch tonight. I want a big stitch plushie!> Got one. My boyfriend got me one when we went to see the premier. Stitch came with. Then for c mas he got me another one that has his claws out stretched and his mouth open really big like he is gonna bite someone. Both are available at your nearest Disney store. Enter at your own risk.
<If it weren't for women, men wouldn't be getting into trouble all the time 8-)> I was taught that women really rule the world, but we merely let men think they do so that they have something to do. Ya know, to make them feel special. ;)

DPH: <funny. I get called the "baby" of my family because I am my dad's youngest child and it upsets me because of the attached feelings to that word.> My Grampa's uncle apparently like to run around alot back in the day and had many sons. In an effort to make sure that he acknowledged them, the first four sons (all from different mothers) were named directly after him: Edward Saldena, Jr.
Senior finally settled down and married the mother of his fifth son, but knew he already had four sons named Edward, Jr, so he named this one Edward Saldena Jr. as well but called him Boy. Boy Saldena is now like in his mid-sixties or seventies and has only gone by "Boy" his entire life.

Mooncat: <And then the cat names, Katherine/Catherine/Katrina/Katya so I can legitly call my daughter Kat/Cat.> There's a girl in one of my classes named Katresha. Lots of people tend to forget or just mispronounce her name so she says to just call her Kat.

Josh: and Katresha (Kat) doesn't seem like the slutty type.

Green Baron: < but I am in spite of a little bloodlust, not a violet person> not violet, but maybe a little lavender, or indigo. :)<There is a drink in Korea made up of formaldehyde, called Soju> My dad has a bottle of N. Korean soju, he's quite proud of it. I have no idea how he brought it stateside.
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Wheeeeeee! I just discovered REM radio on the internet. Yeah I'm a dork. But now I'm a very content dork that is listening to the 808 State version of King of Comedy. Sadly I'll understand if no one gets it. My dog leaves the room when I play REM. However, she does have a taste for Modest Mouse, particularly the Moon and Antarctica.

To weigh in on the name thing: For a girl I like Kaehle, although I have no idea how to pronounce it, it looks cool in print. I'm not even sure if its a real name or word, or if I made it up a long time ago, but like I said, it looks cool written out. Please tell me though, if this is some word in some language that I know very little about that means poo or something. I'll prolly never get to use it, because my boyfriend has his heart set on Sarah if we ever have kids, and Jet (yes as in Jet Li) for a boy. Blah.

Oh yeah, and I wanna get my digs in on the pyramid thing: In like seventy years I'll be dead, theres not much I can do about that. About seventy years after that, my kids will be dead (or longer or shorter depending on what we come up with technologically or do to this world in my lifetime) and so on with my grandchildren and later generations. It's always been that way. We all die at some time. The earth couldn't handle it if we didn't. But the pyramids are there, have been there for like eight thousand years, and, if they were alive, have seen more than we would ever want to. But they're not alive, they're rocks piled into a shape, and we still can't even figure out how they got piled that way. In any case, humans come and go, and the pyramids are defenseless. They and such things like them need to be protected from nuts and idiots. They and such longlived monuments are the ultimate statement and no human should ever be allowed to deprive the future of such a wonder. Any human that tries to should die. This is harsh, but he will at sometime anyway, at least minimalize his damage.

Ok that's all I'm gonna say on that. :)

My dog's feline tormentor sat outside our door meowing for a half hour. I think poor Dottie dog is traumatized.
Dezi
Friday, January 17, 2003 11:38:59 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Josh> <<The worst part is that its usually my fault when they do>>
Mine does it all by itself. There's something not quite right about my wireless adapter...

<<Good! I need things massaged.>>
Eek. That certainly needed to be shared.

<<Good philosophy.>>
Nah, that's nothing. My personal favorite is "I'm perfect. Everyone else is wrong." (Originally used in reference to my height, but it's good for everything. (I once theorized that the people who build shelves are so jealous of my perfection that they build shelves that I can't reach just to spite me. ;)) I realized recently that I'm a narcissist, and I'm strangely proud of it.

<<That would suck.>>
Enough with the puns, already. Are you both trying to drive me mad?

<<Only one person on earth gets away with calling me anything other than Josh.>>
Nerfle?

Thomas> <<We should love our enemy and sometimes that means killing the ones we love.>>
*snickers* I'm not saying anything...

<<Have you seen Excel Series Saga?>>
Up to episode 10 or so... When I watched 1-4, I thought it was funny, but when I rewatched them, I only thought that 3 was still funny, and out of 5-10, I only thought that one episode was funny, even the first time through. (I liked "Weird Love" and "Bowling Musume.")

<<My son: Osbert; Daughter: Mary Elizabeth.>>
You're evil.

<>
But you hate your mother...

Aaron> <<I've no idea, but apparently I'm the best at it. Number one in a field of one, I suspect.>>
Lucky you. I'm more Gypsy-esque: I tested in the 75% percentile of robots of my type, of which there is one. (i.e. I'm a complete idiot, but only compared to myself.)(In hindsight, I'm not sure that sentence came out entirely right, but you get the point.)

<<Well, yes, in part, but I'm also just opposed in principle to putting cameras everywhere so the government can scare us into behaving.>>
There's a difference between putting them everywhere, and putting them at dangerous intersections where people commonly run red lights and kill people.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, January 17, 2003 07:14:37 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Thanks to all who wished me a happy birthday.

Gside> <<Digi Charat?>>: Sorry, haven't caught it yet.>> You must see Digi Charat. It's more demented the Excel Saga. <<<<That's a real zip code, FYI>>: Right, but it still messes with there statistics/accounting.>> Exactly.

Josh> <<Worthless.>> My thoughts exactly. <<<<Adds Josh to list...>>: Of...?>> People who support crippling me by raising gas prices. <<<<Remember what Samuel L. Jackson told us in 187?>>: No. Might have helped if I saw that movie.>> You should. It's pretty cool. And it has Fang's VA in it, so it's good for playing six degrees of separation. <> Check my links. First has pictures, second has performance info. http://www2.porsche.de/german/deu/home.htm http://www3.us.porsche.com/english/usa/news/pressreleases/pag/020805.htm <<<<Draco/*Hermione* forever>>: I sense S&M.>> Ah, but who'd be hitting who? <<<<G. W. Bush>>: What happened to that poor 3 year old?>> I think his sister died. From what I understand, they were close, and it just sort of froze his mental and emotional development at the age of six. <<the rider on the Homeland Security bill that forgives Eli Lily>>: Is that really there?>> Read it and weep. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56918-2002Nov14¬Found=true <<The problem with the pro-death party is that its not real clear on its stance on everything ELSE.>> We're for the legalization of drugs, does that help? <<Is it legal to use those as real quotes, like in a movie commercial?>> I have no idea. <<<<Sounds like... The Matrix>>: Except that world is neither warm nor fuzzy.>> I meant the floating in a big tank of pink jell-o part. <<<<entering a same-sex relationship with an adolescent male wizard,>>: Out of curiosity, where did this come from?>> It's a joke about Willow from Buffy. Oh, and try to be nicer to Godiva... Even if she is a Lakers fan.

Bud-Clare> <<"aaron wheeler is the best at what he does" Which would be...?>> I've no idea, but apparently I'm the best at it. Number one in a field of one, I suspect.

GB>> <<<<Personally, I find remote enforcement to be Orwellian, disgusting, and an infringement of my civil liberties, but to each their own.>> Because you like to drive fast, right?>> Well, yes, in part, but I'm also just opposed in principle to putting cameras everywhere so the government can scare us into behaving. <<<<(I know it starts with an "N". It's that thing GB despises so much)>> I am very fond of the Council of Nicea.>> Whoops, my bad. <<<<And I of course, would have to be equally selfish, and have you, and any politicians you'd gathered behind you killed. What can I say, I don't like anyone threatening my car. :)>> Still, rather crude way. I expect more imagination than that :p>> Don't knock the simple but effective stuff. <<Godiva's husband isn't named Richard, or Junior could be called Little Dick ;) Now that would be a horirble nickname.>> Little Richard would be a touch odd too, don't you think?

FS> <<HMm... wouldn't it just REALLY suck trying to use a broom for a date? I mean, no back seat to make out in!>> Obviously they need to get flying carpets off the proscribed muggle artifacts list.

Spacebabie> <<<<<But close doesn't win the game>>>Unless its horse shoes>> Or hand grenades.

Patrick> <<watching "Anastasia" for the very first time on Fox. Kelsey Grammer has a very nice singing voice. Too bad the same can't be said of Christopher Llyod. Yeesh.>> I'd check the credits. If I remember correctly, Rasputin has a separate VA who does the singing. (Jim Cummings, if memory serve, but don't hold me to it)

Hyperion> <<Holy hell, man, reading your post is like digging up ancient history...>> I get that a lot. <<If you can find one. Actually at the time it ruled the skies. I don't know about "a dream to fly" but it could outclimb, outrun, and outturn almost anything in the air at that time.>> Of course, if you took a bullet in the belly all the coolant would leak out and then you'd drop like a rock... I'd take a P-38 or a P-47 over a P-51 any day. <<Unless, of course, you're one of those weirdoes that just doesn't like wine>> Present.

Godiva> <<Fourth championship>> Aren't the Lakers like 15-20 right now?

DPH> <<If I found out my nephew lived next door to a guy who sodomized boys, I would want to know. (btw, that's an impossible scenario right now, considering all of his neighbors but one are family.)>> Okay, this is meant neither to disparage your family, or make a general Arkansas crack, but statistically speaking, far more children are abused by family members then by strangers.

Kai> <<(Yes, that's a popular culture reference from the previous decade. Name it - it's easy!).>> (Henry) Indiana Jones (Jr.) and the Last Crusade.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, January 17, 2003 06:29:12 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

GREEN BARON - The Rhea of TGS isn't the Rhea of Greek mythology; she's a different character who just happens to have the same name. It's the same sort of thing as naming Avalon gargoyles after Hamlet's girl-friend and the warrior-queen of the Iceni (Ophelia and Boudicca respectively).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, January 17, 2003 06:08:22 PM
IP: 65.57.56.4

<<The Basques, Animal Liberation Front, Earth Liberation Front, Earth First!, Ted Kazinksy (however you spell his name), Marx advocated vioelnce in the name of the Proletariate, the Anarcho-Nihilists of the 1800s. All these groups advocate(ed) murders in th name of their cause; none of them believed in a deity, but believed in a superior cause. Perhaps I am just nitpicking :)>>

I figured the Basques were nominally Catholic, just by the region.

Ted Kaczinsky, proud product of a Berkeley Education :)

Actually such groups have made me more suspicious of causes and principles, and remind me to read my Machaivelli :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
c
Friday, January 17, 2003 01:24:57 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

Damnit, obviously my comments were misunderstood. What I meant to say was, it is hard to justify pacifism politically. How can you tell someone, "Look, we houldn't fight back against Hitler even though he is dominating Europe," and justify it politically? You damn well can't. Every secular notion of justice (down from the Anceint Greece to now) would justify retalitaing against Hitler with force. That's what I was saying. You can have a secular morality: it's called not infriging on someone else's rights. There are atheist pro-lifers and the such. I;ve been to their sites, yadda yadda yadda. I was not trying to say there is no such thing as a moral atheist. I have a hard enough time telling christians about christian pacifism. ;p

<<When was the last time you heard of an atheist car bombing an embassy because he thought it would bring him closer to the void? When was the last time you heard of an atheist murdering his entire family because he *didn't* hear the voice of god talking in his head? When was the last time you heard of an atheist declaring a crusade or a jihad or a
pogrom? (And don't even try to bring the old soviet union into this; that was a political madness that had less to do with belief systems and more to do with the accumulation of personal power at the expense of EVERYthing, that wouldn't allow for ANY divergence from what they considered the norm.)>>

The Basques, Animal Liberation Front, Earth Liberation Front, Earth First!, Ted Kazinksy (however you spell his name), Marx advocated vioelnce in the name of the Proletariate, the Anarcho-Nihilists of the 1800s. All these groups advocate(ed) murders in th name of their cause; none of them believed in a deity, but believed in a superior cause. Perhaps I am just nitpicking :).

Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, January 17, 2003 01:14:34 PM
IP: 129.120.255.198

Re: Pacificism & God

Ah, this is cute.

I think you may be getting overly defensive, again, Greg.

Gabe said that he thought if he were an Atheist, he'd have real problems being a pacifist. That can mean a lot more things than, "If I were an Atheist, my conscience would obviously atrophy and I'd become completely evil." And it says very little about whether or not other people could be pacifists and Atheists at the same time. Gabe spoke for himself.

I'd actually take it more along the lines of, "I can't really find any rational for absolute pacificism that does not rest fundamentally on my spiritual beliefs prohibiting it. Hence, without them, I wouldn't see any reason for me to be a pacifist."

In crude terms, "While I might think you deserve a black eye, fighting is against the rules at school. If we weren't in school, I'd probably deck you."

Crude, but to the point.

Beyond that, JMS is certainly an elloquent writer when he puts his mind to it. That doesn't change the fact that he and most of the people he dislikes both conveniently overlook the possibility that human knowledge of right and wrong may originate from God without knowledge of such a Deity or belief in such.

I'll agree with him whole-heartedly that not being able to believe in a god does not suddenly make one an innately evil or remove one's conscience. It takes a lot more than that, and belief in God is no certain shield from becoming a morally bankrupt individual either.

Even the Catholics don't pretend that you suddenly grow a conscience when you get Baptized. Some people believe that the fundamental principles of good and evil are hard-wired into most of the human race on a very base level. In fact, many anthropologists believe that almost every (if not all) human culture shares certain fundamental concepts of good and evil, but that the more advanced theories and structures that lead to action and dogma we build off of these common principles varies from culture to culture based on various experiences in differing environments.

Of course, JMS's elloquence and skill as writer doesn't make him much of an expert on anything else, including outer space, apparently. Even that thoughtful piece and Babylon 5 doesn't make up for the fact that he's still the man who adamantly and repeatedly claims that "There is no mass in space." ;-)
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, January 17, 2003 12:53:38 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

A truly nice day and warmer than it has been. When I think about it, snowy days are good, for I can wear cold weather boots and not worry about poliching them.

Todd> I thought Rhea was the mother of Zeus and aunt (might as well put Mt Olympus in the Appalachian mountains)

Spacebabie> <<um no that is not good. Now if they wreck the pyramid and there were thousands of innocent people inside the pyramid then we go and kick their asses.>>

So it only matters if people are invovled? Understandable, but the whole thing about saving the ancient wonders of the world has a high value to me.

An orgy of violence and bloodshed was worng of me to want, though I am a major preservationist who wants to keep our past safe from various forms of evil, like terrorists and suburban developers.

Now, if bands of French Islamists (Europe has a growing population of Arabs, many extremists expelled by moderate Arab states) were to destry Euro Disneyland, it would not be too tragic as it is very new, has no people in it anyway, and would have no ill effect on Dinsey or the French Economy ;)

It's been a while since I threw a cheap shot at France Vive le France, not!

Kaioto> <<Being a Catholic certainly doesn't mean that Thomas or myself or any other Catholic has to subscribe to unconditional pacificism or take on an attitude of complete tolerance or permissiveness. There is a fine line between being virtuously forgiving and foolishly enabling. You can look to the Archdiocese of Boston with regards to the clergy sex scandal to see what happens when good sense is not exercised and forgivingof the guilty becomes more important than protecting the innocent>>

True, and if Ted Kennedy speaks out about sex offenders in Boston's clergy, he may have good insight as it takes one to know one. Man, I'm on a roll :)

I am not a pacifist, but I am in spite of a little bloodlust, not a violet person, except when my internet connection is slow :) and I have yet to shoot anything but paper or palstic targets. If I do see Sadaam Hussein in Kosovo, I hope no one holds it against me if I shoot him.

<<Nor does it mean you can just smite anyone who disagrees with you just for being a heathen or heretic.>>

That is a lawful evil indicator to me.

<<But that doesn't mean you shouldn't use take away their fundamental rights by force if it is the only viable means of stopping them from creating greater harm. Violent criminals should still be imprisoned for the sake of all the rest of the members of society. Persons threatening the lives of others to satisfy their own impulses of greed, anger, or desire for power can be killed when necessary. Part of our moral responsibility as thinking people is to make the right judgment as to when such a thing is necessary and justifiable.>>

Also, during times of war, while it is optimal to subdue and imprison the enemy, sometimes people will be killed. We should love our enemy and sometimes that means killing the ones we love.

Greg X> <<Um lets see here, the life of a murderous terrorist or a building which has stood there for thousands of years? Terrorist or building? Terrorist or building? Frankly, I don't see the difficulty or the need for moral qualms in this one at all.>> Well, there is the issue of needless death, though my primary objective is to preserve the pyramids and that will not change. If we can reduce the body count, well that would be good, too. Granted, with some of these fanatics, a hose full of pig grease can work, too.

Too bad we don't have a Babylon 5 midnwipe technique for the hardened terrorists, but one that isn't a complete wipe so we get needed info. But that's not realistic.

But still the pyrmaids, Stonehenge, the Hagia Sophia would be the primary objective. When we enter Iraq, I am glad much of Mesopatamia is in Kurdish hands, as they would side with us and hopefully no violence will touch on the remains of Babylon, Ur, Chaldea, for these ancient remanants of the past are to me the very things I live for.

On a similar note, are there any old Ducth villages remaining from New York's past? With my love of visiting hsitoric stuff, I also want to see American historical stuff, too.

<<If you drive an SUV or a minivan, you're supporting Saddam Hussein ;)>> So you've seen Arianna Huffington's ads. I wonder where she stands these days.

I have no love for SUV's and I want a hybrid, myself, unless I get to live in a mass transit hub after the Army.

Here's a funny thought....an SUV with a "no blood for oil" bumper sticker on it. What woudl you call that: hippycrites?

Bud-Clare> <<Depends on whether or not you're joking.>> Of course. It was inspired by Sluggy Freelance. Now, I would kill someone to save another's life, or my own, but without the life-threat scenario, I can only kill roaches with impugnity.

<<*whines* My school's anime club is missing everything between 13 and 26ish. Bleh.>> Well, I got the first two DVDs. Have you seen Excel Series Saga? That show is just plain funny :D

Kaioto> <<Just because a human being always has intrinsic worth, doesn't mean it is always the wrong choice to use force against them, even deadly force.>> As a soldier, I have to know that, though the use of deadly force is only authorized in extreme circumstances. Near Camp Magrath in Kosovo, there was a Church that the KLA tried to dynamite, as it was especiallys acred to the Serbian Orthodox. Soldiers still guard it, and while some may not think it's worth preserving, I am glad we do it. Of course, the backlash from that Church's destruction would erupt in lots of violence against innocent muslims, which we are here to prevent from happening.

Children's names> My son: Osbert; Daughter: Mary Elizabeth.

Now I don't want my son killing me as soon as he turns 15, so I guess maybe not Osbert (whoever I marry would have problems with that, too). Well, in my family, we are named after dead relatives. Our middle names are surnames. I am Thomas Muldrup Logan Forsyth. Muldrup is a Danish surname going back to Honoria Muldrup marrying Dr. George Logan in 1775 and Logan is my great grandmother's maiden name.

My sister's middle name is my mother's maiden name. I would name my daughter after my mother, because my mother was named after her father's mother.

Naming a chidl after oneself is very bad luck in my family. Often, this will mean the child dies before the first birthday. On the Logan side, anyway. My mother's family has no such curse, though.

Now with cat names, I think I'll name my next cat Kissinger :) Take a wild guess why.

Hyperion> <<Actually, the price in Japan is 3000 yen. But who's counting?>> 3000 yen is about 30 bucks, depending onteh currency rates. I am just saying that prices are considerably higher in Japan, especially a metropolis than say in Russell, Kansas.

<<"I'm the nicest guy the world, until you screw with me, then you will wish you tried to sodomise Satan with a sandpaper condom.>> Too bad you're not a Green Beret. You'd be good.

<<Like formaldehyde?>> There is a drink in Korea made up of formaldehyde, called Soju. I bet Jaden knwos about it :)

<<And the UN inspectors found several empty chemical warheads in Iraq, leading to this comment for Hussein
"Ah, yes. I was just collecting them. My wife really likes the way they shine. We're not in violation of the UN agreement, it's all a plot by the great Satan United States and their infidel leader, George Bush"
Ok, I made that quote up.
Oddly enough though, there is a group that is planning to travel to Iraq and sit outside of strategic targets to act as human shields in an effort to give the planned assault bad press. They figure that if Westerners start dying maybe people will re-think this whole "war" idea. I think they're a bunch of nuts, and invoke Darwin.>>

They are, indeed. Sadaam Hussein has called us the new Mongols. I take that as a compliment :) Now, if he called us Huns, that would make my day. Too bad, Attila the Hun can't be President of the US, or better if Attila the Hun had Henry Kissinger for an advisor.

Gisde> There is that whole "I'm too sexy" song.

DPH> <<Well, I haven't actually worked out the ending of Revelation for myself by independent thought.>> It was a joke. Now maybe you believe that crap about an Elect, but neitehr of us beleive there is a pre-set number of peopel who will enter Heaven.

Imzadi> <<No, I paid for that. You're welcome.>> Next Gathering we both to go, I owe you a drink. How's that for thanks?

<<Only one person on earth gets away with calling me anything other than Josh. Everyone else gets yelled at.>> Britney Spears?

<<I'd choose the latter.>> Too bad you don't have a high paying Engineering job with Brown and Route. You could make at minimum 100K in a place like Kosovo and pay no taxes, too.

<> Mine already died. I feel the same way though. My Uncle is next and he's not that old.

<<No, if you're a teenager its far worse to be called "gay".>>
<Cartman>Guys, now that is totally gay</Cartman>

Godiva's husband isn't named Richard, or Junior could be called Little Dick ;) Now that would be a horirble nickname.

<<Don't you wish you could?>> No. They're a pain in the ass to carry with you everywhere you go.

<<Don't be silly...that's what taco bell is for 8-)>> They use edible meat, which is one grade below what they use for dogfood :)

Gabriel> <> That smacks of iconoclasm.

My fondness for monuments is not religious, but preservationist. In WWII, special care was made so the Dom Cathedral was to be spared. The city was bombed around the Dom.

Now, this was in war time, but it shows a conscious effort to not destroy a structure that has been around for 800 years and was the inspiration for the more famous Notre Dame. I went there last spring and it was awe inspiring. Even if it was destroyed and rebuilt, it wouldn't feel the same. But I am a lover of history and all things historic so what cna you expect from me? My profession allows me to live, but art, music, history, other traditional stuff, that is what I live for.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Friday, January 17, 2003 12:52:19 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

GABRIEL> <<If I were an atheist, I would have the hardest time jusifying pacifism>>

I was ready to go off and write a ten page rant directed at you, with enough venom to poison this whole CR, but I figured instead that the words of someone smarter and much more eloquent and polite than myself would be far better.

Words from the immortal J. Michael Straczynski...

It's not about pacifism, but it is about atheism and morality. Read it, you might learn something. There is no bashing of religion here, just a response to someone who said you can't have morality without religion.

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"This is a discussion that *has* to take place on two different levels. One is the purely empirical where saying "there is a God" and "There is no God" are both statements of nonsense devoid of real meaning because they both claim to describe some aspect of reality yet
no test can be devised (again short of dying) that can falsify either of them."

Once again, your knowledge of logic is faulty. The attempt in logic, debate or science is not to "falsify" or disprove anything; the goal is to PROVE something. Repeat after me: you cannot prove a negative. The burden of proof of any statement belongs with the person making the assertion, NOT the person receiving it to disprove it. You are simply misstating how science and logic work in order to make a debating point that doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

"Without a transcendent God imposing a transcendent morality upon man there is no basis for rights save the state. Without a source of right and wrong that exists outside of the human race there is no basis, except for fickle human opinion, to say that Mother Teresa is better
than Adolf Hitler."

Another debating trick that also doesn't hold up to close inspection.

The notion of a monotheistic god -- *GOD* -- is fairly recent in human terms. The Greeks managed to build an entire civilization that was known for its arts, its philosophy, its advancement in all areas (military included) using a host of household and minor deities who
were in NO way ANY kind of guide to what was right and wrong; half of them were capricious and just plain nuts, the the other half were off mating with human women and then writing off their kids.

Yes, in time Greece fell. But so did Rome, the spearhead
(figuratively and literally) for Christian propagation worldwide in its early history, so I wouldn't necessarily throw *that* into the mix.

Very, very, very few people decide not to murder because God wouldn't like it. They don't murder (assuming they choose that) because they're afraid of being apprehended and sentenced under the laws made by humans in order to facilitate cooperation and progress and safety. (If
anything, people have proped up the notion of god as rationale for murder for centuries on all sides of the theological coin.)

I'm not saying that religion is per se bad, it's like any other human artifact, including technology, it's what humans make of it. But at the same time it's self-indulgent in the extreme for folks who believe to write off the whole of human history and say that if it weren't for their particular deity, we wouldn't know right from wrong, or positive from negative, that we'd just be staggering around blindly...when the notion of that sort of god is extremely recent in human consciousness, and prior to then we did okay; not perfect, we had wars and bloodshed and the like...and we still do. Most of it by believers in one thing or another.

When was the last time you heard of an atheist car bombing an embassy because he thought it would bring him closer to the void? When was the last time you heard of an atheist murdering his entire family because he *didn't* hear the voice of god talking in his head? When was the last time you heard of an atheist declaring a crusade or a jihad or a
pogrom? (And don't even try to bring the old soviet union into this; that was a political madness that had less to do with belief systems and more to do with the accumulation of personal power at the expense of EVERYthing, that wouldn't allow for ANY divergence from what they considered the norm.)

You can write off "fickle human opinion" all you want, but from where I sit we haven't done too badly, all things considered.

If my tone seems to imply I took some small offense...the operative word is "small," because I'm used to this. On the one hand, I pretty much don't have a problem with anything anybody believes so long as nobody's hurt by it. On the other, religionists tend to mutter darkly that if it weren't for some god-inspired notion of right and wrong, if we don't have that, well, we're just anchorless, as prone to murder a child as give somebody a gift. That it's all caprice.

Well, I happen to be an atheist, and I *can* tell the difference between Mother Theresa and Hitler. And your inference that one can't is simply wrong and condescending. As an atheist, I view every life as
*incredibly* valuable because we only get one turn around the merry go round, and then it's over; no backsies, no second chances, no heavenly choir to sing one into the pearly gates no matter how terrible or abusive a life one's led as long as at the end one chooses to Believe.
Every life is rarer than the rarest diamond, and since the only future we have is that which we make, the only signs we were here are that which we create, life must be preserved, nourished and given the chance to grow.

Because those Greeks -- you remember, the ones who didn't believe in your particular god, with its rules for right and wrong -- actually had the audacity to once define happiness. Not in terms of right and wrong, but in even larger terms. I noted them at Macon. To wit: "The
exercise of vital powers along lines of excellence in a life affording them scope." It's about the only creed I live by.

Not bad. Bet they could even figure out this whole Mother
Theresa/Hitler thing, too....

jms

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Greg Bishansky
Friday, January 17, 2003 11:27:49 AM
IP: 216.179.5.161

Bud-Claire>

Well, the monuments mentioned were, in fact, Pagan. I don't mean to derogitize them (is that a word?), but that is what they are and will always be.

No, would I value, say, a Cathedral or any other sort of Christian monument over someone's life? No. Temples can always be rebuilt, someone's life cannot be replaced (sp?). I believe if we show too much care to monuments it becomes in danger of being idolatrous.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, January 17, 2003 11:23:04 AM
IP: 129.120.255.198

JOSH> <<Please not. Khaza'dun is better 8-)>> No, not Khaza'dun. Z'ha'dum... the homeworld of the Shadows. In the Vorlon language it means 'Dark Future'
Greg Bishansky
Friday, January 17, 2003 11:02:40 AM
IP: 216.179.5.161

Josh > Hmm... statement of purpose... let's see...

"I will soon graduate near the top of my class with a B.S. in Civil Engineering. My purpose in attending law school is to avoid having to get a job for four or five more years, while simultaneously accumulating enough additional student loan debt to keep me a slave to my future wages until I'm nearing retirement age. Plus I've always secretly admired Perry Mason and Matlock, and there's something that just sounds very intriguing about being able to make a living 'reviewing briefs'."

There you go. Feel free to use however much of that you want to get you started. ;)

Mooncat > Most women I've known named Katherine / Catherine end up being called Kathy / Cathy. I've never know any Kat / Cats.

And on the topic of naming children, here's a question. If the son is named after the father, on paper it becomes "John Smith, Sr." and "John Smith, Jr." But what happens if the daugther is given the same first name as the mother? Is it properly "Jane Smith, Sr." and "Jane Smith, Jr."?

And finally, a nice bit of weather trivia... high temperatures in Juneau, Alaska this week have been around 10 to 15 degrees WARMER than here in the Midwest. Which marks the first time ever I've wished I lived in Alaska. :P

"...it's COLD out there today! / It's cold out there EVERY day..." - radio announcer, "Groundhog Day"
Patrick Toman
Friday, January 17, 2003 07:10:47 AM
IP: 67.38.241.177

Hello all,

It's been a while since I posted. What's happening in here and the realm of fanfiction?
Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Friday, January 17, 2003 06:21:47 AM
IP: 24.205.124.150

Finally had those transcripts mailed out today, the first day they became available. Transcripts cost almost as much as an application fee. Obscene, really. The good news is that I saved a whopping 37 cents by dropping off a form at the graduate office instead of mailing it, as its the only piece of paper I have to send to Berkeley.

Graduate school is on the horizon. Now if I could just get this statement of purpose for Law School written, I'd be set. Anyone have any good ideas on how to start it?

We watched Lilo and Stitch tonight. I want a big stitch plushie!

Bud-Clare: <<My 'puter was getting wonky again>>: I hate it when they do that. The worst part is that its usually my fault when they do 8-) <>: LOL! <<Some people will massage anything>>: Good! I need things massaged. <>: Ditto. <<why can't _I_ have a competent dentist?>>: Maybe the fact that I'm friends with my dentist's daughter helps. <<Good syntax>>: I was trying to figure out a way to do it with true and false (or 1 and 0), but that just didn't make much sense. Plus it could be interpreted against me. <<If I have to be sick, so does everyone else>>: Good philosophy. <<You should vacuum your brain more often>>: That would suck.

Godiva: <<Big David>>: On the other hand, I'm sure your husband loves being called that. >-) <<that’s just how you normally are.>>: True. <<If you can tell me about a car that can fit 2 adults and 4 kids>>: Many SUV's cover this requirement. <<a Lamborghini that nearly caused an orgasm>>: Right there on the show floor, huh? That must have been messy. <<great for getting through rush hour traffic or shooting at pedestrians>>: Or it would be, if you had a license. <<How do * you * suggest I get their attention when they have the same name?>>: My mom used to use the "three word name" when I was in trouble. <>: Cars may drive differently, but unless you're switching from auto to stick, it doesn't matter much. Sports cars, coupes, SUV's, sedans...they all have a steering wheel and two pedals 8-) <<Don’t tempt me>>: Very original.

Green Baron: <<all paid for by the US Army>>: No, I paid for that. You're welcome. <<we don't don't take our M16s on R&Rs>>: Don't you wish you could? <<Does that include telemarkets and personal injury lawyers>>: They aren't people. <>: Selma Hayek said it best: "I have problems with any religion that treats their god like a burden rather than a blessing". -Dogma. <<At 11, I got sick of my nickname and just went by Thomas, though some in my family still do that>>: Only one person on earth gets away with calling me anything other than Josh. Everyone else gets yelled at. <<Trying to kill your kids?>>: Don't be silly...that's what taco bell is for 8-) <>: I used to, but I have some older relatives that are set to go off any day now, and I wish I could see them more often before they go. <<Go to G03 or not pay taxes for seven months out of the year>>: I'd choose the latter.

Patrick: <<Pre-orders have already given it bestseller status>>: That's impressive. <<it's going to be 768 pages long, weighing in at 255,000 words>>: YES! More story!

Spacebabie: <<that was cool with the ship neutralizing the kryptonite>>: Plot contrivance device. <<She is too cool to die.>>: She was hot in the Fred outfit 8-) <<They sure do like to nickel and dime you to death>>: Stamps for all this crap are expensive too! <<SPOILERS FOR JOSH ONLY>>: Thank you. Not sorry I missed that. <<You were totally rude to her in that post!>>: Yup.

Kaioto: <<might be redeemable>>: Like soda cans? <<Lawful Good does not mean Lawful Stupid>>: Woohoo! <<It doesn't bother me because it doesn't matter>>: Ah, but when you spend your entire childhood fighting people who make short jokes about you, it does.

Greg X: <<If you drive an SUV or a minivan, you're supporting Saddam Hussein>>: I've heard that. So now, I'm gonna drive more. Because the terrorists have won. Damn Ad council schmucks. <<Boner Land>>: Please not. Khaza'dun is better 8-) <<The worst thing you can call a man is 'Little'>>: No, if you're a teenager its far worse to be called "gay". <<I'll be sure to ask for the day off so I don't have to deal with the flood of customers>>: Ask for it NOW so you can get it before the manager figures it out.

Gabriel: <<If I were an atheist, I would have the hardest time jusifying pacifism>>: Why? I see no conflict of interest here. Just because you don't believe in the sanctity of life (or divinity of life, or whatever) doesn't mean you can't be anti-war.

Hyperion: <>: Boy was I glad to get out of that. Serving in LA would have been a neat trick while I was here. <>: If it weren't for women, men wouldn't be getting into trouble all the time 8-) <<Ok, I made that quote up>>: But really, who could tell? <<invoke Darwin>>: if only we could summon him as easily as we summon web pages. <<I'd like to cough up a vowel, Alex>>: Pat. <<Egypt me the last time>>: GROAN. <<The less I do the happier I am>>: Good plan. <<formaldehyde?>>: EWWW. <<polygraph interview>>: What are you interviewing for? Or did you just fail your polygraph interview? ;-) <<I'd laugh at you, long and hard>>: Yes, but I'd have tasted Kobe beef. <<like getting slapped and left at the alter, do you?>>: No and wouldn't know. <<do they make them for men?>>: very funny. <<carrying 2 ASP batons, 1 or 2 knives, trained in the use of both, and wearing type II-A ballistic armor>>: In public!? We've got to find you a woman. <<you tried to sodomise Satan with a sandpaper condom>>: Hey he probably likes that. <<since we're a team, why don't you do the diet part>>: B5 has good lines, apparently.

Reba: NEVER.

Mooncat: <<then the cat names, Katherine/Catherine/Katrina/Katya so I can legitly call my daughter Kat/Cat>>: You might find it amusing that my friend and I recently concluded that every girl we know who calls herself cat/kat is a slut. <<as long as it isn't something stupid>>: Which, of course, only you can decide.

Gside: <<it's more like laziness with distribution of porn and laziness with selling a lot of porn>>: Sure. <>: A fine engineer you'll make. <<in two words, large and hairy. For a third, I'd add insane>>: Sucks to be you! <<Or use the dog's name>>: What if the dog is named David too?

Winterwolf: <<don't remember the last time I posted or read the CR>>: Neither do we. <<Almost missed that one. ::yawn:: GunJack definitely GunJack>>: Don't kid us, I saw you at G2k1. <<You think that they would work harder on fixing that for newer display screens>>: I've noticed that LCD's are easier to read than CRT's, but still not book-friendly. I think its the fact that books don't GLOW.

DPH: <>: Amen to that. But don't you just love the feeling of your tongue stuck to metal? <<upsets me because of the attached feelings to that word>>: I hear you. I've got similar issues. <<Growls at the book publishers over the cost of college texts which can be thinner and cost twice as much>>: Ditto. Some bastard just got $60 from me for a paperback on MATLAB. <<Do you believe I had to spend $5 to get a copy of the syllabus for one of my classes>>: Now THAT sucks. They didn't just xerox it for everyone? <>: Welcome to public school! <<Don't teachers know that it takes a few days for class enrollment to settle down>>: They do, but they don't care. <<how will a prisoner see in order to comb his/her hair>>: Um, no. <<nobody will kill you in here>>: Try as we might. <<Always build the prisons for your personal escape. I won't comment on how to implement that since it means you won't use it>>: I dunno, it sounds like a good idea to me. <>: That's because extremely complicated math problems are easy 8-) Wording an essay carefully is hard.

98. If an attractive young couple enters my realm, I will carefully monitor their activities. If I find they are happy and affectionate, I will ignore them. However if circumstance have forced them together against their will and they spend all their time bickering and criticizing each other except during the intermittent occasions when they are saving each others' lives at which point there are hints of sexual tension, I will immediately order their execution.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, January 17, 2003 04:01:07 AM
IP: 64.170.153.118

Gabriel> <<My comments were heavily on the fact that his post placed greater significance on pagan monuments than on human life.>>
It's funny how you keep referring specifically to _pagan_ monuments... If I were paranoid, I might suspect that you value Christian historical monuments but not "pagan" ones...

Hyperion> <<Compared to what's in the brain, cat hair is chump change>>
Good point. You should vacuum your brain more often.

<<Egypt me the last time.>>
That's three more jokes. Keep it up. :P

Gside> <>
How nice for you.

<<Thank you ma'am, may I have another.>>
No. Go away. :P
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, January 17, 2003 02:44:06 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

One more thing: I would rather solve an extremely complicated math problem than write an essay on most topics.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, January 17, 2003 01:27:35 AM
IP: 204.94.193.46

Winterwolf - I was about to open an unstable portal which would suck you into the CR. Congrats on misspelling http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org . Great work on the website. Anyways, can you try harvesting some of this cold weather in Arkansas? I really don't enjoy temperatures below the freezing point of water.

Hyperion - <But I don't feel like going back and fourth about a statistic.> Neither do I. <I'd imagine the kid's fine.> It depends on how annoying he becomes. Hyperactivity drives some people nuts.

Gabriel - <If I were an atheist, I would have the hardest time jusifying pacifism.> If the country is always at war (and I don't mean nominal wars like the war on drugs, the war on poverty), the quality of life for those in the country goes down as the military uses more and more resources.

Kaito - <If a nick-name can manage to leave scars on my psyche at this point, I should be institutionalized.> funny. I get called the "baby" of my family because I am my dad's youngest child and it upsets me because of the attached feelings to that word.

Patrick - <Which should make the $30 pricetag on that 255,000 word book seem mighty reasonable.> *Growls at the book publishers over the cost of college texts which can be thinner and cost twice as much*

Do you believe I had to spend $5 to get a copy of the syllabus for one of my classes? I noticed that the cost of my books for this semester of college is 1/4 the cost of tutition. Yet, pop culture books which are thicker can sell for much less than the cost of a college text.

Green Baron - <DPH is the man to see.> wrong answer. Email tgs_info@yahoo.com .

BTW, I have my first paper due at 9am CT. Don't teachers know that it takes a few days for class enrollment to settle down?

Imzadi - <97. My dungeon cells will not be furnished with objects that contain reflective surfaces or anything that can be unravelled.> so how will a prisoner see in order to comb his/her hair?

I'm thinking - about what? becoming less anonymous? Take it from a paranoid man, nobody will kill you in here.

Green Baron - <Now maybe that can be pardoned, but sans clemency for such acts, a law was still broken.> Nope, I don't believe in sending anyone for prison for resisting arrest if the rest of the charges get dropped. Count the time served in prison against the potential sentence for escaping from prison when wrongfully convicted and the conviction is overturned. <if you believe that> Well, I haven't actually worked out the ending of Revelation for myself by independent thought.

Imzadi - <Was the show The Pretender?> No, some sitcom. <And while they're at it, they should do the same for Star Wars III.> Yea, that would probably produce better results. <
96. My door mechanisms will be designed so that blasting the control panel on the outside seals the door and blasting the control panel on the inside opens the door, not vice versa.> I believe Beast Wars had an excellent suggestion for prisons: Always build the prisons for your personal escape. I won't comment on how to implement that since it means you won't use it.

Fire Storm - <Ah, just ignore everyone else's wishes and just upload it> no, I don't need approval for the content as much as I want help with creating the content. This is a page that goes on the TGS website and won't be released while it's under construction.

*Goes off to finish his paper* I least have the first paragraph written. Hey, Lain, I want to collect on the favor for helping you with a paper.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, January 17, 2003 01:24:55 AM
IP: 204.94.193.46

I've been working on other things and don't remember the last time I posted or read the CR. I just finished reading so I figured I post to a few things here and there.

Revel & Josh> <<<if you ever want to see whipped look over at GunJack>>: Or Wolf> Almost missed that one. ::yawn:: GunJack definitely GunJack. ^_^

Patrick> <Printed text on a page is a lot easier on the eyes> Yes it is. You think that they would work harder on fixing that for newer display screens.

Josh> <Gathering - nice web page> Thanks. There's more there just added today. Kind of funny that you got in earlier as I hadn't added to the site since before my Christmas vacation.

Greg & Josh> <kids named little> Now what if the whole line is screwed with the last name of Little? Hello Mr. Little. :D

"I understand small business growth. I was one."
- George W. Bush
Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Friday, January 17, 2003 12:15:15 AM
IP: 205.188.208.9

Imzadi> <<porn is the drive of progress>>: Somewhat, but it's more like laziness with distribution of porn and laziness with selling a lot of porn.

Bud Clare> <<agreeing to that _would_ require that I didn't think>>: I like not thinking in general.
<>: Thank you ma'am, may I have another.

Godiva> <<is Ranma ½ a movie?>>: Anime series, a few OVAs and two movies.
<>: For a description in two words, large and hairy. For a third, I'd add insane, but I'm working that one towards eccentric.
<<How do * you * suggest I get their attention when they have the same name?>>: Choose two from David, Dave, Davey, use a middle name, or the ever popular Junior. Or use the dog's name.

Green Baron> <<How much of Utena have you seen?>>: Nothing. Maybe I'll get around to it.
<<A rather popular 80s song comes to mind>>: Can't think of which one.

Hyperion> <>: Have you ever tried? You might like it.
<<Like formaldehyde?>>: One of the tamer additives.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, January 17, 2003 12:11:41 AM
IP: 68.38.240.227

Reba - Work on Dark Ages season 3 has started. But, "Bad Guys", "Pendragon", and "Gargoyles" will definitely air before "Dark Ages" does.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:21:06 PM
IP: 204.94.193.31

Greg -- Ah! My apologies, must be my week to mix people up. I have a killer headache today from the glare off all the snow, and combined with my lack of sleep, it plays havoc with my message board ability to keep comments straight.

Kids Names - If I had a child, I would hope for a girl, and I'd name her Selene. This is a name I'd chosen long before Gargoyles ever came out. I've always loved the moon, and other possibilities include Phoebe and Luna, again from long before Gargoyles ever came out. Also, Diana. I like Artemis, But it doesn't fall off the tongue very easily. And then the cat names, Katherine/Catherine/Katrina/Katya so I can legitly call my daughter Kat/Cat. Then the Fay names, like... Fay, or Fey.

For a Boy Child --- Kat, Fox, or something his father may want to choose, as long as it isn't something stupid.

aghhh... head hurts,

later
MC

Mooncat
Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:56:12 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

QUICK QUESTION: Hello, I know all of you hate having questions like this, but I've been waiting for a very long time and I was wondering if DARK AGES will ever be continued? Please E~Mail me if you know, I'm really SORRY I had to ask.
Reba "Jade" Lee - [fionaseckari1@aol.com]
NYC, NY, USA
Thursday, January 16, 2003 07:48:31 PM
IP: 152.163.189.68

THE "QUESTION"> "Bad Guys": 100%. "New Olympians": right now 0.0000001% but you never know.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, January 16, 2003 07:34:12 PM
IP: 216.179.5.161

What exactly are chances of the Bad Guys, and NEw Olympian spinoff being made for TGS?
The Question
Thursday, January 16, 2003 07:20:58 PM
IP: 204.235.237.65

MOONCAT> Actually that was me who made the comment on naming kids after parents.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, January 16, 2003 05:48:53 PM
IP: 216.179.5.161

Well, I have officially filled my role as a juror (jurist?). I even have the certificate to show as much.
Unfortunately I didn't get to actually sit in judgment, but easy come, easy go.
And the UN inspectors found several empty chemical warheads in Iraq, leading to this comment for Hussein
"Ah, yes. I was just collecting them. My wife really likes the way they shine. We're not in violation of the UN agreement, it's all a plot by the great Satan United States and their infidel leader, George Bush"
Ok, I made that quote up.
Oddly enough though, there is a group that is planning to travel to Iraq and sit outside of strategic targets to act as human shields in an effort to give the planned assault bad press. They figure that if Westerners start dying maybe people will re-think this whole "war" idea. I think they're a bunch of nuts, and invoke Darwin.

Replies:

Bud-Clare>< piece of a letter is caught in the phlegm in my thoat> I'd like to cough up a vowel, Alex.
Compared to what's in the brain, cat hair is chump change
<he made a mummy pun.> Not my best work, but I was on a time constraint.
<my next three bad jokes are free> I'll need to punch your joke card. And make sure the guy at the counter gives you three jokes. Egypt me the last time.

Gside><that's my ahem you're thinking of>No, in fact, I try never to think about your "ahem". The less I do the happier I am.
<and it has extra preservatives>Like formaldehyde?

Godiva><s there anyway that I can find out personal info about someone from just the person's email address> yes, but I'm avoiding being evil in preparation for my polygraph interview, so I can't help.
Josh><I'd pay that once just to say I'd had such a burger>And I'd laugh at you, long and hard.
<Uh, sure>You like getting slapped and left at the alter, do you?
<That's lovely, Mr. Connery> Yes..that's a very nice shirt you're wearing...do they make them for men?
<Unless you have a CCW permit, you're an idiot.> Hmm...6'5", 15 years of Tae Kwon Do, 4 years Muy Thai kickboxing, 3 years judo, carrying 2 ASP batons, 1 or 2 knives, trained in the use of both, and wearing type II-A ballistic armor. No, no, anyone that tries to deprive me of my property is the idiot. They usually end up with and concussion and sans teeth after I use their head like a speed bag.
As one of my instructors said, "I'm the nicest guy the world, until you screw with me, then you will wish you tried to sodomise Satan with a sandpaper condom.

Green Baron> You can stop shooting holes in my theories right now.
<Pope being untrue to Vatican II>And people said he should have made the sequel, but he had to anyway.<sigh>
<That's the price in Japan.> Actually, the price in Japan is 3000 yen. But who's counting?

DPH><ut I consider them relatively more safe than if they were surrounded by complete strangers> I'd disagree. But I don't feel like going back and fourth about a statistic. I'd imagine the kid's fine.

********************************************
"10 pounds?"
"Well, a 10-pound gain isn't too bad, but you could afford to lose it. Here's a list of foods I want you to avoid. No meat, low fat. Lots of vegetables."
"Rabbit food."
"Well, it's only for a little while, Captain. We'll get those 10 pounds off in no time."
"Who's 'we'?"
"Well, a doctor and his patient are a team, Captain, don't you agree?"
"Sure. And since we're a team, why don't you do the diet part."

Hyperion
Thursday, January 16, 2003 04:34:35 PM
IP: 151.199.242.168

Kaioto: "Sure, everyone still has intrinsic worth and might be redeemable."

No deposit. No return. *^_^* -- I now have this mental image of trying to get the deposit back on people.

Spacebabie/Silverbolt -- apolgies!!! It's the Sb names... gah!!! I'm so short on sleep lately.... :: conks out, kitty snores ::

Godiva: Don't want to offend you, but I have to agree with Josh about naming. I can't understand why any parent would allow their son or daughter to be named the same exact name as their direct parent, with that parent living. It's so... creepy. And it has to be hell paperwork wise. And being called "Little" or "Lil" at age eleven... :: shudders as skin totally gooesebumps :: -- but that might just be the cold. It snowed last night. eep!

later
Mooncat
Mooncat
Thursday, January 16, 2003 04:34:27 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Kai> ahhhh, Ok. I was getting defensive. :) My comments were heavily on the fact that his post placed greater significance on pagan monuments than on human life.

And for the record, my decision to be a pacifist, and advocate pacifism, was never through any secular reasoning. It is entirely religious. If I were an atheist, I would have the hardest time jusifying pacifism.

toodles.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Thursday, January 16, 2003 03:24:56 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Gabe> I addressed both you and Thomas because you were the only participants in the thread of discussion I was addressing.

Yes, you said very little in your post, actually, but your post to Thomas was in reply to a thought he voiced about use of force against particular groups of people doing harm to the greater society.

While both Thomas and I agree with you that dehumanization is bad for a number of reasons, I wanted to point out the somewhat overlooked corresponding point: Just because a human being always has intrinsic worth, doesn't mean it is always the wrong choice to use force against them, even deadly force.

People sometimes take the whole line of human dignity and run with it towards the anarchy / pacificism side of the field if your don't attach the appropriate disclaimers. The statement was just building off of your point, not trying to contradict or accuse you of anything. :)
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 16, 2003 03:20:53 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Thomas> <<Does that include telemarkets and personal injury lawyers>>
Depends on whether or not you're joking.

<<How much of Utena have you seen?>>
*whines* My school's anime club is missing everything between 13 and 26ish. Bleh.

Spacebabie> <<Thank you for killing Gavin!>>
*whimpers* But he was so cute. I wanted Lilah to die. She's evil and icky.

Kaioto> <<Yes, that's a popular culture reference from the previous decade. Name it - it's easy!>>
Eh, don't feel like it. ;)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 16, 2003 03:18:08 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Kai>

My post mentioned nothing of pacifism or punishment or of anything you mentioned. For what reason did you bring these up?
Gabriel "gaygoyle'
Thursday, January 16, 2003 02:19:56 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

JOSH> <<Its a frikkin' minivan!>> If you drive an SUV or a minivan, you're supporting Saddam Hussein ;)

GODIVA> <<How do * you * suggest I get their attention when they have the same name?>> Well, I wouldn't name a kid the same name as either parent. Then again if I ever have a kid (which I pray to the Shadows never happens), my daughter will definetly be named Demona, and a son would be either Damian, Sauron, Loki, Lucifer, etc and he'd be raised to be the Antichrist (I'm bummed out that it doesn't look likely that I'll get to be the Antichrist at this rate). Of course if I ever conquer the nation, our country will no longer be called America, it will be Mordor, Z'ha'dum or Boner Land.... um, where was I before I got carried away with my dillusions of evil grandeur? Oh yes, I agree with Josh that you shouldn't call your son 'Little' because once it becomes a habit (and probably already is) when he gets a little older, when the testosterone starts to flow, that will be the last thing he wants to hear. The worst thing you can call a man is 'Little'.

HARRY POTTER RELEASE DATE> Thanks for the heads up, I'll be sure to ask for the day off so I don't have to deal with the flood of customers.

GREEN BARON> <<But if Islamic Jihad tried to blow up the pyramids, I'd have no qualms slaughtering the lot of them to save the pyramids and Islamic Jihad is an Egyptian terrorist group dedicated to killing everyone in Israel.>>

Um lets see here, the life of a murderous terrorist or a building which has stood there for thousands of years? Terrorist or building? Terrorist or building? Frankly, I don't see the difficulty or the need for moral qualms in this one at all.

GABE> <> Depends on the human being. If it's a human being dedicating his life to going out and murdering people, then yes, a monument from an ancient society (in many ways much more civilized than societies today) is worth more. <<Last time I checked, EVERY human being is worth something and be changed and redeemed, and that NO ONE is perfect.>> Well, I agree with the last part.

KAIOTO> <<"Lawful Good does not mean Lawful Stupid" Nor does it mean you can just smite anyone who disagrees with you just for being a heathen or heretic>> Yes, exactly!
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, January 16, 2003 02:16:11 PM
IP: 216.179.5.161

Gabe & Thomas: Sure, everyone still has intrinsic worth and might be redeemable. Dehumanizing people, no matter how evil they may act, is a bad thing.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't use take away their fundamental rights by force if it is the only viable means of stopping them from creating greater harm. Violent criminals should still be imprisoned for the sake of all the rest of the members of society. Persons threatening the lives of others to satisfy their own impulses of greed, anger, or desire for power can be killed when necessary. Part of our moral responsibility as thinking people is to make the right judgment as to when such a thing is necessary and justifiable.

Dehumanizing others clouds such moral judgment irresponsibly, whether it be judging imprisonment, war, slavery, or capital punishment

Being a Catholic certainly doesn't mean that Thomas or myself or any other Catholic has to subscribe to unconditional pacificism or take on an attitude of complete tolerance or permissiveness. There is a fine line between being virtuously forgiving and foolishly enabling. You can look to the Archdiocese of Boston with regards to the clergy sex scandal to see what happens when good sense is not exercised and forgivingof the guilty becomes more important than protecting the innocent

To go into full geek mode I remember an important Dungeons and Dragons comment:

"Lawful Good does not mean Lawful Stupid"

Nor does it mean you can just smite anyone who disagrees with you just for being a heathen or heretic.

Godiva and Josh > I'm Marty Lund II. My relatives used to always refer to me as "Little Marty" to differentiate between my dad and I. I never cared. He _was_ taller than me, after all.

Now I'm taller than him, and I still get called "Little Marty" by my paternal grandmother. It doesn't bother me because it doesn't matter. I've got a college degree, a good job, and a loving wife. If a nick-name can manage to leave scars on my psyche at this point, I should be institutionalized.

Not all of us need to be renamed after the family dog. ;-)

(Yes, that's a popular culture reference from the previous decade. Name it - it's easy!).
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 16, 2003 02:08:34 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

"And God said go out into the world and have great sex. God's gift to women. Amen and amen."
Fire Storm the Holy - [<--- You just GOT to read this! (CNN)]
Thursday, January 16, 2003 01:20:45 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Not much really happened recently...Finished the outline for my story for class. Still have plenty of time to write it.

Best Live journal ever…http://www.livejournal.com/users/thefirstevil

********SPOILERS for SMALLVILLE and ANGEL*****
Smallville Whoa that was cool with the ship neutralizing the kryptonite. I wonder if Clark will ever give that necklace back to Lana now?

Angel So Cordy knows that Angel knows about her and Conner. Thank you for killing Gavin! And Thank you for sparing Lilah! She is too cool to die. Nice to see the White room again and Lorne was of course top notch, and Wesley…still YUM!
****************Spoilers End*******

Silverbolt<<<enough with the Jar Jar! >>>Never start with the Jar Jar<<>>:::Sighs as she cleanes both herself and Delilah-chan with anti potion scrub:::We will just have to put some ABC gum where he sits then.<<<has been printing off copies of my more... *ahem* mature stuff and passing them around my common room>>>That was rude. If she wanted to pass it around she should have asked first.

Green Baron<<<But if Islamic Jihad tried to blow up the pyramids, I'd have no qualms slaughtering the lot of them to save the pyramids>>>um no that is not good. Now if they wreck the pyramid and there were thousands of innocent people inside the pyramid then we go and kick their asses.

Gside<<<but in this case, it's mostly the flouride>>>Better flouride there than what we have here.

Firestorm<<>>No it didn’t.

Josh<<<This means that the transcripts are "special processed" and cost 3 times as much as the transcripts I'd order online. Oh, and I can't order them online, since only I have the school's label form.>>>They sure do like to nickel and dime you to death.<<>>This is why I go to the bookstore after I been to my first day classes<<<What happened? I missed it>>>SPOILERS FOR JOSH ONLY This mother who claims to be the great granddaughter of Ralph Waldo Emerson got on Finn’s case for giving her daughter a bad grade on her Emily Dickinson paper. Finn offers to tutor the girl at home. The mother waltzes around and offers him a pie, completely coming on to him…and he fell for her! Then she acts like she wasn’t leading him on<<<Got the info I need to start my research project today. I'm gonna get three units of credit for it.>>>Good now you can start cracking on it.<<<but Berkeley doesn't rank>>>I thought Berkeley was full of unwashed hippies so of course its rank<<<Um, you came across as totally blonde/retarded in this post.>>>You were totally rude to her in that post!<<<Or do you just call him little because he's RETARDED ENOUGH TO PUT HIS FINGER IN AN OUTLET!?>>>It was her four year old who did that.

Revel<<<how I wish I was elsewhere>>>I wish you were here too, or If I am where you are..

Patrick>>>Thanks for the news.

Mooncat>>>Uh…that was Silverbolt.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, FL, U.S.A
Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:56:58 PM
IP: 67.24.94.56

I saw another little thing on CNN.com about the next "Harry Potter" book. Pre-orders have already given it bestseller status at Amazon.com. Also, it's going to be 768 pages long, weighing in at 255,000 words. That places it right between Dickens' "David Copperfield" (357,000 words) and the King James Bible (181,000 words). And presumably, 93 of those 255,000 words will be the ones that were on the index card of "clues" some guy paid $45,000 for last month. That's $483.87 per word, for those keeping track. Which should make the $30 pricetag on that 255,000 word book seem mighty reasonable. ;)
Patrick Toman
Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:47:49 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

A new day and I'm feeling better. Next week, I go to Greece, so I'll be feeling even better. I'm also taking a night class for fun, all paid for by the US Army :) Sadly a class on Political Ideologies was cancelled, and I was going to take it, since it sounded like a fun class :(

And hopefully soon I will be going to see Sofia, Bulgaria. The amount fo money I can acquire for that R&R equlas about two month's salary for the avergae Bulgar, so the bus taking soldiers down has a police escort when the bus enters Sofia and when it leaves, lest bandits descend on us (and we don't don't take our M16s on R&Rs).

Bud-Clare> ::hugs:: You're so good to me. Nice, white chocolate macadamia nut cookie :)

<<If I have to be sick, so does everyone else. ;)>> I've heard worse.

<<Got your postcard. It's cute. :)>> I thought you'd like it :)

<<just try not to threaten random people with death, either.>> Does that include telemarkets and personal injury lawyers ;)

Imzadi> <<What does rubber taste like?>> Extremely well-done steak ;)

<<Dude, you're a catholic, not a flagellate monk.>> I'm reading a book on Catholicism and once again, I realize my grim, self-deprecating views are not the actual beliefs of my faith. I guess its easier to be guilt-ridden than merry.

<<get it. Learn to drive. I can't fathom how you live in LA without it.>> I'd agree with that. Especially out in Inland Empire.

<<Okay this explains a lot. Your son is ELEVEN and you still call him "little David"!??!!? I bet he hates that, and you for it! Or do you just call him little because he's RETARDED ENOUGH TO PUT HIS FINGER IN AN OUTLET!?>> ::dons kevlar, and flak vest:: At 11, I got sick of my nickname and just went by Thomas, though some in my family still do that. They still call my father "cousin Billy" and he's 56.

Gside> I have the next two seasons of Ranma on the way. How much of Utena have you seen?

<<special coctail of narcotics and pollutants>> so that explains all the Democrats ;)

<<Every moment of my existance verifies the fact that I am a sexy sexy man.>> A rather popular 80s song comes to mind :)

<<That sounds vaguely Pythonish.>> Or BlackAdder

Godiva> << never got my driver’s license, so me taking Little David and his little brothers is out of the question. Grrr!>> To go along with Imzadi, I am surprised by that. I don't have a liscence, but being from New Orleans, I used mass transit, but you don't live in a major city or even a corrupt backwards city, but in a bedroom community. How do you get around, or is everything conveniently located?

<<though we did stop at Jack in the Box before we went to the show>> Jack in the Box? Trying to kill your kids? ;)

<<We’re *supposed* to go to my parents’ house on Sunday to celebrate his birthday with the rest of the family, but Lauren was just grounded by Big David for not turning in 6 homework assignments in Reading.>> Personally I consider it a blessing when I _can't_ visit family ;)

<<He’s eleven years old now and I feel so old. I was 25 when I had him.>> My mother was 31 when she had me and 38 when she had Anne. Don't feel too old. My mother was 42 when I turned 11, and soon she'll turn 60 in three years. I need a good gag gift for her turning 60, a casket, or a rough draft of my eulogy ;)

<<*blushes* Aw, shucks. Just trying to make ya feel a little better, that’s all. :)>> You do ;) So were you born in de bayou? Have you seen The Waterboy?

Revel> Orlando is a nice city, and spending the weekend making out with Spacebabie sounds quite nice too ;)

I am still hoping the Finance team transitions in early May, but if I stay until July, I'll make a lot more money so it's a win-win to me. Go to G03 or not pay taxes for seven months out of the year ;)

Gabriel> I'm feeling better now. I'll still be e-mailing you.

Raveness> I assume it's you. DPH is the man to see.

And no to read some more Sluggy Freelance archives.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:44:34 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

Looks like Big David changed his mind about Lauren not going to my parents’ house to celebrate Little David’s birthday. He told Li’l David that we’re all going to go after all. Anyway, on to the replies…

Gside--<Ranma 1/2. He was making reference to a particularly perverted little old man named Happossai.> At the risk of sounding retarded, is Ranma ½ a movie? If so, I’m guessing that Happossai is a character in it. <Every moment of my existence verifies the fact that I am a sexy, sexy man.> Verifies it to you, but not to anyone else. Again I ask, can you back it up? If I’m to believe that you are a sexy, sexy man, then I need verification from someone else or a brief description of yourself. ;)

Josh--<Um, you came across as totally blonde/retarded in this post.> And you came off as an asshole in yours…oh wait, that’s just how you normally are. <Why? Its a frikkin' minivan!> That’s precisely why I fell in love with it. David and I have four kids, two of whom will still be in car/booster seats for at least 3 or 4 more years. We NEED a minivan. If you can tell me about a car that can fit 2 adults and 4 kids (two with car/booster seats), then I’ll fall in love with it. Until then, I’m lovin’ the Odyssey. And you can get it with a DVD player so that the kids can be entertained. And the third row can be folded up inside the minivan so that it virtually disappears. Our ’96 Nissan Quest doesn’t do that. If David needs extra space, he has to take the second row out of the minivan. Oh, another thing that’s cool about the “magic” third row in the Odyssey is that you can turn it into a tailgate. <Fall in love with something you can't have,> Oh, don’t worry. The Odyssey wasn’t the only thing I fell in love with. There was a ’58 Chevy that I wanted to hotwire and take home with me, a Lamborghini that nearly caused an orgasm, and I especially wanted to take home the James Bond Aston Martin with the dual machine guns. Be great for getting through rush hour traffic or shooting at pedestrians. Good. I’m glad your little brother doesn’t have a problem. <you still call him "little David"!??!!?> Uh, yeah. My husband is named David, too. How do * you * suggest I get their attention when they have the same name? He doesn’t mind at all. <Or do you just call him little because he's RETARDED ENOUGH TO PUT HIS FINGER IN AN OUTLET!?> That was my four year old son who did that. Sheesh! <So get it.> I plan on it. Big David (that’s my husband) wants to start leaving the Quest here in case I need it for anything. <Learn to drive.> I already know how to drive. I just haven’t driven in a minivan before. Besides, I need to get my permit so that I can practice before I even contemplate getting my license. Neither could my husband. <What, do you live in a cave? Without a blockbuster video nearby?!> No, I don’t live in a cave. I know that there are bunch of Monty Python movies. I’ve just only really remember Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail. And just so you’ll know, there are three Blockbuster’s within four miles of us. <Yes there is, but I'm not going to tell you what it is because I'm feeling frustrated with retarded people right now.> Whatever. <ATkicktothenuts> Don’t tempt me…

Godiva - [reneeprater@adelphia.net]
Montclair, CA, 91763
Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:43:40 PM
IP: 24.52.251.149

My 'puter was getting wonky again. Poor 'puter.
____________________________________
Gside> <<Don't think about it, just become my first convert.>>
Yes, agreeing to that _would_ require that I didn't think.

<<If you want, I could help, but I'd need to go past a good number of other organs on my way up.>>
I do, however, have a mind's foot, which is about to kick your ass.
________________________________________
Josh> <<There's talk in the mac community that dead LCD pixels can be "massaged" into working order.>>
Some people will massage anything...

<<Then what do you use to mentally give people the birdie?>>
I don't have that much self-control. I just use the real finger. ;)

<<Hopefully the coatings they put on will prevent others.>>
Dammit, why can't _I_ have a competent dentist?

<<(!vagina) ? no : (I'll think about it)>>
*applauds* Good syntax. ;)
_______________________________________
Spacebabie> <<Lovely image.>>
If I have to be sick, so does everyone else. ;)
___________________________________
Thomas> Got your postcard. It's cute. :)

<<Actually, damned is a better adjective for me.>>
*gives cookie* Try not to be so hard on yourself... just try not to threaten random people with death, either.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 16, 2003 02:23:32 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Got the info I need to start my research project today. I'm gonna get three units of credit for it. The first part is to use MATLAB to develop a GUI for the existing setup. I'm thinking I'll lay the GUI out in interface builder to really get my group drooling, then crush their spirits with whatever ugly crap MATLAB creates. Looks like I'll be over on units this semester, so I'm happy.

Stanford Law School wants my rank and size of class, but Berkeley doesn't rank. Damn equality-loving hippies! I want my rank!

I got Korn: Follow the Leader and Fuel: Something like Human today. Both good albums.

Green Baron: <>: What does rubber taste like? <<more fitting description of myself>>: Dude, you're a catholic, not a flagellate monk. <<no smiley face for sarcasm>>: It wasn't necessary.

Patrick: <<Harry Potter>>: WOOHOO! And its even longer!

Godiva: Um, you came across as totally blonde/retarded in this post. <<fell in love with the Honda Oddessey>>: Why? Its a frikkin' minivan! Fall in love with something you can't have, like an SL55, like normal people. <<Unless your kids are still small enough to ride in a stroller, don’t bring them to the Auto Show>>: I don't know what you're talking about. My brother has been going to the auto show since he was 10 and never had a problem. <<Yesterday was Little David’s birthday. He’s eleven years old>>: Okay this explains a lot. Your son is ELEVEN and you still call him "little David"!??!!? I bet he hates that, and you for it! Or do you just call him little because he's RETARDED ENOUGH TO PUT HIS FINGER IN AN OUTLET!? <>: So get it. Learn to drive. I can't fathom how you live in LA without it. <<Aren’t there a bunch of Monty Python movies?>>: What, do you live in a cave? Without a blockbuster video nearby?! Jeez. <<Is there anyway that I can find out personal info about someone from just the person's email address>>: Yes there is, but I'm not going to tell you what it is because I'm feeling frustrated with retarded people right now.

Silverbolt: <<Last time I tell someone who I really trust about these things>>: Three people can keep a secret if two are dead.

Mooncat: <<Now I know what to bring to read on the plane ride to New York for the Gathering>>: You won't be the only one.

Gside: <<That sounds vaguely Pythonish>>: Agreed. <<Laziness is the drive of progress. I.E. I don't want to do that, so I'll figure out an easier way to get it done>>: No, porn is the drive of progress 8-)

97. My dungeon cells will not be furnished with objects that contain reflective surfaces or anything that can be unravelled.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, January 16, 2003 01:44:00 AM
IP: 64.161.24.192

Fire Storm> <<be glad there are like-minded individuals on your network!>>: Oh, but I am. I think I'll go on a burning rampage next semester, without checking the files, while I can make use of the bandwidth.
<<You mean you don't steal the account information of those that don't fully use their bandwidth?>>: I'm a bit lazy, and I've found what I have is good enough. I don't have too much patience to wait on IRC queues when I can get stuff right off the network.
<<No, no... well, yes>>: That sounds vaguely Pythonish.

Imzadi> <<You like the taste of crap?>>: Nah, but Jersey water has much more bite to it than any other water.
<<And if not, why not!?>>: Laziness is the drive of progress. I.E. I don't want to do that, so I'll figure out an easier way to get it done.

Revel> <>: But once you come breathe the air and drink the water, we get you so hooked on our special coctail of narcotics and pollutants that you'll never want to leave.

Godiva> <<Sorry, you lost me there>>: And he misspelled it anyway. It should have been Ranma 1/2. He was making reference to a particularly perverted little old man named Happossai.
<<Ahhh, but can you back up this claim?>>: Every moment of my existance verifies the fact that I am a sexy sexy man.

And a bit of Yoko Kanno. Call Me Call Me from Cowboy Bebop.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:19:01 PM
IP: 68.38.240.227

Okay, I'm feeling rather vindictive right now. I just received a threatening email from another group I belong to and I want to get even. Is there anyway that I can find out personal info about someone from just the person's email address? I've already tried Yahoo!'s people search, but this person doesn't have an online profile, though they have a Yahoo address. Thankie!

(I probably won't do anything, but just to have the ability to get this person's info would be revenge enough. Plus, I don't want to get kicked off of our IP.)

Godiva - [reneeprater@adelphia.net]
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 06:37:11 PM
IP: 24.52.251.149

Spacebabie - wow! I am assuming this girl wasn't passing out your writing because she's a fan, but because she's a bee-yach with a capital B? If nothing else it was totally inappropriate for her to be passing out adult material at school. Well, hopefully you will come out of this with more compliments than complaints. Keep an eye out for the little muck racker though.

Patrick - Thanks for the heads up =) Ooo... Now I know what to bring to read on the plane ride to New York for the Gathering! :: does a little kitty dance ::

I also just found out the ARCs (Advance Reader Copy)s for the new Laurell K. Hamilton novel about Anita Blake "Cerulean Sins" are out. Two are up for charity auction and already are over 300 dollars, and were only put up today. Dang... I'm thinking they will go for between 500 to 1000 dollars =(

aggh... I wanna read it now!!!! Probaby will wait for the April 1st release date though *~_~* ... stupid publishers should have released the book back in October. :: kitty grumbles ::

okay, later peoples
MC

>^,,^<
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 06:33:22 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Hey guys!

*sigh* Lucky me got the morning off today because of no lessons... only to walk into the school in the afternoon and get funny looks from the teachers and my fellow class mates... turns out someone (a girl oddly enough) has been printing off copies of my more... *ahem* mature stuff and passing them around my common room *gulp* (Last time I tell someone who I really trust about these things >:( )
Luckily for me no ones said anything bad about them but I don't think the teachers will ever look at their quiet, hard working, polite student in the same light again *Bwahahahahaaaaaa!*

On a lighter note, mark down June 21st on your calander if you haven't heard already, because Harry Potter is back at last! (*Mutter* About time too!)

Now all I need to do now is prepare for my collage interview on Monday... and get some new 'L' plates for my car after they blew off whilst I was having a lesson with my mum. It was funny, but it meant I had to cut my lesson short because my mum doesn't want me driving without the plates (smart woman my mother ;P)
Silverbolt
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 04:55:12 PM
IP: 62.7.73.108

Haven’t had the time to post until now. Let’s see, what have I been up to? Nothing much, really. Went to the L.A. Auto Show with the hubby, kids and my sister’s fiancé on Friday and fell in love with the Honda Oddessey. Me want Oddessey and me want now! Oh, a word of advice. Unless your kids are still small enough to ride in a stroller, don’t bring them to the Auto Show. Little David and Lauren complained the whole time we were there. Little David was hungry (We took the kids out of school early, so he missed lunch, though we did stop at Jack in the Box before we went to the show) and Lauren just didn’t want to be there, period. She would wander off or walk as slowly as possible. I was ready to strangle her by the time we left. We rented two car-shaped strollers for Chris and Mikey and they were fine. The only time I ever heard from Chris is when he said, “Mommy, I’m thirsty.”

Yesterday was Little David’s birthday. He’s eleven years old now and I feel so old. I was 25 when I had him. This is the first time since he discovered video games which was seven years ago) that he hasn’t asked for any for his birthday. He told us that he wants books for his birthday. Since we didn’t get a chance to do anything for him yesterday, we’ll probably do something for him today. We’re *supposed* to go to my parents’ house on Sunday to celebrate his birthday with the rest of the family, but Lauren was just grounded by Big David for not turning in 6 homework assignments in Reading. He told her that until he gets a chance to talk to her teacher, she is not going to be allowed to go anywhere. I guess that also includes her grandparents house to celebrate her brother’s birthday which sucks major crap because we only have one car and if David doesn’t take us to my parents’ house then no one will be going. I never got my driver’s license, so me taking Little David and his little brothers is out of the question. Grrr!

And how was *your* weekend?

Replies:

Josh: <If you say so.> No, I *know* so. ;) <This year.> Actually, this season they started off playing like crap, but it looks like they’ve finally found their groove. <And baseball. And olympic swimming. And basketball. And...> Maybe so, but it’s more prevalent in football.

Green Baron -<Red Beans and rice sound quite good, especially on Monday. You spoil me ;)> *blushes* Aw, shucks. Just trying to make ya feel a little better, that’s all. :) <If you see Ranam, you'll get the joke :)> Sorry, you lost me there.

Gside -<For I am a sexy, sexy man.> Ahhh, but can you back up this claim?

Tony Elliot -<Goldmember compared to the first Austin Powers is equivalent to comparing The Goliath Chronicles to the first two seasons of Gargoyles.> Well, see I can’t compare Goldmember to the other Austin Powers movies because I haven’t seen the others. Maybe my sister will rent them the next time we go over there. <the classic comedies like Spaceballs,> “He shot my hair!” <Monty Python,> Aren’t there a bunch of Monty Python movies? <Caddy Shack.> Yuck. I can’t stand Chevy Chase. He should’ve stayed with Saturday Night Live.

<Glad your enjoyed the Lakers game.> Me, too! I’m dying to go again. <**Tony looks outside at the snow flurries and shivers.**> Call me crazy, but I *wish* it would snow here—actually I wish it would snow in the mountains above us. I want to go there to build snowmen (and women), lay on my back and make snow angels, throw snowballs at my kids…Think you could send your snow to me?

Patrick Toman—Thanks for the link. I know a certain eleven year old boy who is going to be *so* excited about this. Little David has been dying for the fifth book to come out. Now he can start a countdown until it’s released.

Godiva - [reneeprater@adelphia.net]
Montclair, CA, USA, baby
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 03:11:30 PM
IP: 24.52.251.149

Just posting a link here for all those Harry Potter fans who want to start making their "camping out in front of Barnes and Noble" plans.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/books/01/15/new.potter/index.html
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:37:54 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Back in the grind, how I wish I was elsewhere.

Green Barron- Yes I had a great time in Florida :D Sorry if you can't make it :(

FS- you like being smacked do you, you my friend, are beginning to worry me.

Gside- I could go my whole life and be happy I never lived in New Jersey

The term sex I thought decended from Latin the word six.

First I need to register for the con then, the hotel.

"All I wanted was a fricking rotating chair."
-Dr. Evil-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:29:35 PM
IP: 129.120.233.19

Hi. I was wondering. I think I've heard about people joining the fanfic at TGS or something like that. I was wondering how to join. Or if I could.
I'm thinking
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:13:54 PM
IP: 24.86.117.45

Green Barron>
<<and a more fitting description of myself.>>
You and me both.

I was too harsh on you, I react too violently :/ I don't hate you, just the words. If you feel your faith crumbling, then talk to the chaplin there, do something! Don't let that crumble, it's important and valuable.

e-mail me if you need to. seriously.
Gabriel "gaygoyle" - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:14:45 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Once again, I stick my foot in my mouth. I'm used to it.

Gabriel> You're right. I am wrong for looking down at such people and for deciding to simply kill them. I still feel very strongly about preserving our history and if a visible threat was appearant to Stonehedge or the Pyramids or any number of artifacts, they should be defended and simply killing off the ones meaning to do harm should be avoided.

As for human excrement that was too harsh, and a more fitting description of myself.

<<Cathloicism--much less Christianity? Last time I checked, EVERY human being is worth something and be changed and redeemed, and that NO ONE is perfect.>> I feel my faith decline and crumble daily, to be perfectly honest. I never claim to be perfect. Actually, damned is a better adjective for me.

<<And zionists aren't dedicated to wiping out Plaestein?>> I was just describing the group that would be likely candidates to destroy the Pyramids. I was alos wanting to sepcify that I wasn't singling out Islam, but an extreme minority that has given their faith a PR nightmare.

I still have my beliefs and concerns about historic monuments. The Taliban blew up the 1500 year old Buddha statues and I could not help but feel a deep level of disgust. 1500 years and gone, because of iconoclasm. We are just as guilty in America of destroying our past (can you say suburban neighborhoods built over old towns), so I am not singling out anyone.

I am sorry to disgust you. I always liked you.

DPH> <<That's like putting someone in prison just for resisting arrest when the original accusation proved to be fraudalent. I can't see doing that.>> He still broke a law. Now maybe that can be pardoned, but sans clemency for such acts, a law was still broken.

<<You mean non-Catholic priest. Sorry for the low blow.>> Not low, more ignorant.

<<Only 144,000 will be saved and they have to compete with the early members of the church who undoubtly had a much larger impact on the world than any of them could hope for.>> Nah! The 144,000 are supposedly 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel, if you believe that ;)

Fire Storm> <<Well, there are the tongue tricks!>> But still it's Jar Jar. That's even worse than having a sexual fanatsy for Bill Clinton.

Imzadi> <<GB is way out of line.>> Not the first time, not the last, either.

<<And Greg X was so looking forward to seeing you!>> What, no smiley face for sarcasm ;)

<<What's next? Death penalty for jaywalking?>> I think you support that. I think if a jay walker, gets hit, he shouldn't be able to sue.

<<Any schikzah can be daddy's little rich spoiled brat...especially in Beverly Hills.>> I can believe that. Same with some parts of New Orleans, yet the Garden District and Old Metarie don't have the name recognition fo Beverly Hills :)

<<Why would they make a room out of condoms?>> Sex education class?

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 06:20:32 AM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Again with the graduate applications and C programming. I swear, I'm gonna be doing this stuff for the next two weeks. My gripe today is against the "Transcript Labels", which the graduate schools say have to be attached to your transcript. This means that the transcripts are "special processed" and cost 3 times as much as the transcripts I'd order online. Oh, and I can't order them online, since only I have the school's label form.

I bought books today, and only ONE of my classes need them! One book, and one piece of software I probably don't need that I can return (or steal).

My schedule for the semester is this: classes monday (11-12), tuesday (1130 - 6, half hour break at 330), thursday (1130 - 5, half hour break at 330). One final at the end of the semester. One class with no midterms. One class with no homeworks. I'm a happy panda. I get to go to WWDC!

Spacebabie: <<SPOILERS FOR BOSTON PUBLIC>>: What happened? I missed it. <<just make sure you get the last weekend in June off>>: I'm *taking* it off 8-)

Silverbolt: <<just make sure that these guards don't take naps>>: That's covered in another rule.

Green Baron: <>: And Greg X was so looking forward to seeing you! <<It's a matter of stoppint the perpetrator from vandalizing property>>: What's next? Death penalty for jaywalking? <<they could be discrimianted against on intellectual grounds>>: Oh I like that idea! <>: Any schikzah can be daddy's little rich spoiled brat...especially in Beverly Hills. <<It's called not-in-my backyard syndrome>>: No, its called nimby-ism ;-) Yes, I know that they're the same thing. <<Typical answer from you>>: Yup. << rubber room>>: Why would they make a room out of condoms?

DPH: <>: That bites! They're only $21 here. <<Was that Andrea Parker that I caught on a show on ABC tonight?>>: Was the show The Pretender? ;-) She is SO hot. <>: They are expensive. The most expensive book I ever bought for school was about $150. <<they should hire the most popular Star Trek novelists who have no other direct connection to the franchise to create a new series instead of using the same old writers.>>: And while they're at it, they should do the same for Star Wars III.

Gabriel: For once, I totally agree with you. GB is way out of line.

Gathering staff: nice web page!

Motto Suggestion: it needs some play on "stone".

Gside: <>: You like the taste of crap? <<It was originally between Hyperion and I, too>>: Oh, right. My bad.

Fire Storm: <<just ignore everyone else's wishes and just upload it>>: The credo of porn servers everywhere! <<THANK YOU MA'AM! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER>>: Corporal Punishment! <<You mean you don't steal the account information of those that don't fully use their bandwidth?>>: And if not, why not!? <>: I learned this one today in my C book. (!vagina) ? no : (I'll think about it). <<willingly putting yourself in a position where people who pay you little to no money can tell you how do to things>>: That would really piss me off. No one did that at GE, and they were paying me a lot! <<Maybe you DO currently have all it takes to be a supervillian>>: You bet I do!

96. My door mechanisms will be designed so that blasting the control panel on the outside seals the door and blasting the control panel on the inside opens the door, not vice versa.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 03:26:38 AM
IP: 64.173.21.141

DPH: <No, I don't need help with getting the file uploaded. It's the content.>
Ah, just ignore everyone else's wishes and just upload it! ;)

Spacebabie: <::Races up behind Firestorm and thwacks the back of his head with Smackers:::>
THANK YOU MA'AM! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?
I deserved that, but dang it, it needed to be said!

Green Baron: <Jar Jar as a sex fantasy. That's just sick.>
Well, there are the tongue tricks!

Gside: <Not that I know of. The only transfer limits I know of are from my computer to outside servers. Hence how I can download an entire series in high res DivX in under a day, assuming someone already has it on my network.>
Ah... be glad there are like-minded individuals on your network!

You mean you don't steal the account information of those that don't fully use their bandwidth?
<You killed my DII druid?>
No, no... well, yes.

Imzadi: <You're gonna be flaming?>
Oh, I am already flaming, you cute hunk of a man!
<That's why I don't run a server.>
Among other things... like willingly putting yourself in a position where people who pay you little to no money can tell you how do to things
<Why yes, I do>
Hmm... Maybe you DO currently have all it takes to be a supervillian!

Blah. Don't feel like writing any more tonight.
Anyone know of a good UNIX certification?
FIre Storm
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 02:42:22 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Imzadi> <<dead LCD pixels can be "massaged" into working orde>>: I believe one of the last steps in their production is a good polishing.
<<Jersey? I thought their water tasted like crap>>: I like it, and it has extra preservatives. Besides, as far as I know, flouridating water is rather common.
<<Only for the sharks>>: But they were boiled first.
<<this joke is dead>>: It was originally between Hyperion and I, too.
<<Ah. Says you>>: Yes, I do.
<<You forgot death>>: I thought that would be part of death.
<<Unless you just went in through the temple>>: While shinshi-shinshi is fun, it's nicer to start with the more standard acts.

Spacebabie> <>: There's a little bit of everything, but in this case, it's mostly the flouride.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 01:01:26 AM
IP: 68.38.240.227

***GATHERING 2003 ANNOUNCEMENT***

Calendar and T-shirt Contests for the Gathering 2003!

The Calendars will be for the 2004 year- yes, there are two separate calendar contests. One for the Gathering, and one for Gargoyles Othercon.

The Gathering Calendar theme is gargoyles in New York City. You know it, you love it, you wish you could live there- or at least visit for a few months. Show us your gargoyles living it up in the Big Apple! Canon and original characters fine for use.

The Othercon art calendar will only be available to those 18 and over, as the artwork in it will be mature content. Submissions will be accepted of any variety, as long as they are tastefully done. (Questions of what constitutes “tasteful” may be sent to gathering@gargoyles-fans.org)

The T-shirt contest is also a dual contest, and should be New York themed. Madison for the Gathering, Death for Othercon. (See the “mascot” section on the Convention site for details.) We are also running a “name our convention” contest for the 2003 Gathering; provide a short motto (3-5 words) for our con for inclusion on the Gathering shirt.

Winners for the T-shirt and Motto contest will get a free shirt.
All artists whose work is picked for the calendars will get a free calendar.

Image resolution of entries should be 300dpi, and scalable to 11 x 8.5 inches. T-shirt entries should be portrait oriented, while calendar ones should preferably landscape style. Entries should be submitted to gathering@gargoyles-fans.org

The submission deadlines are:
Name our convention- March 01
T-shirt contests - April 05
Calendar contests - April 12

Have fun, and we look forward to seeing your work!

Lynati, Gathering Staff 2003
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:25:54 AM
IP: 66.142.56.235

GReen Barron>

<<I'd have no qualms slaughtering the lot of them to save the pyramids and Islamic Jihad is an Egyptian terrorist group dedicated to killing everyone in Israel>>

And zionists aren't dedicated to wiping out Plaestein?

<< but preserving beauty and history is more important to me than preserving human excrement>>

Silly me, I forgot you have no sins; I also forgot pagan monuments are more important than human beings.

I'm sorry, but this type of attitude disgusts me: to think human beings as "human excrement," and maintain yoruself as better than that. Isn't this inconsistent with Cathloicism--much less Christianity? Last time I checked, EVERY human being is worth something and be changed and redeemed, and that NO ONE is perfect. Get off thine high horse.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:18:49 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

It's time for my post of the week.

I'm going back to college. I was pretty upset at paying $40 for a parking decal that expires in August.

Green Baron - <Besides, the 144,000 people they claim will be saved won't be them, anyway.> Think about how sad their belief system is. Only 144,000 will be saved and they have to compete with the early members of the church who undoubtly had a much larger impact on the world than any of them could hope for.

Was that Andrea Parker that I caught on a show on ABC tonight?

Hyperion - <You wanna track 'em; you implant a microchip and use GPS to LOJACK 'em. The hell with the privacy, you molest kids, you get no sympathy from me.> So be it. Keep a database running of everywhere they go. <Uh...not to burst your bubble, but that's like saying the kids safe because he's an alter boy and hangs out with Catholic priests alot.> Well, I understand that, but I consider them relatively more safe than if they were surrounded by complete strangers.

I am preparing for the shock of the cost of books.

Tony Elliot - <When someone asks me, I say I’m a just Christian.> That will only turn away the stupid. Training for going on visits involves more questions than "Are you a Christian" since the word "Christian" has lost its meaning in today's society. <True, but Enterprise is still worth watching.> IMHO, they should hire the most popular Star Trek novelists who have no other direct connection to the franchise to create a new series instead of using the same old writers. After the writers are hired, the writers need to come up with a 7 year plan showing where the series will go, emphasizing the plot and character arcs. Next, get a random sample of trekkies to evaluate the premise of the series. That should produce the high quality series that will bring in the ratings.

I had a visit to the chiropractor's office today. Usually that puts me in a good mood, but I had an 11:30am appointment and didn't get in until noon. I didn't get home until 12:30pm.

Imzadi - <How can you limit the length of a book?> I was talking about the size of a chapter in the book.

Green Baron - <Well, he broke out of prison, so he's guilty of that crime.> That's like putting someone in prison just for resisting arrest when the original accusation proved to be fraudalent. I can't see doing that. Since the mainstream media is mostly liberal, it shouldn't be a suprise than radio talk show hosts are mostly conservative. <A kid is twice as likely to get molested by a family member than a priest or minister.> You mean non-Catholic priest. Sorry for the low blow.

Bud-Clare - <How much did you pay for the book?> The grand sum of $30-$40.

BTW, wasn't the president on the show "24" also on the show "Now & Again"?
DPH - [<-click here to go nowhere]
AR, USA
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:16:40 PM
IP: 204.94.193.41

QUESTION - Well, Gwyn comes from Welsh legend (where he's one of the leaders of the Wild Hunt and a faerie king - said, according to legend to hold court within Glastonbury Tor). I believe that Kunkung comes from the mythology of the Far East, but don't recall the details (I'm much better at occidental legends than oriental legends). Rhea was TGS's invention and so (more or less) are sidhe knights (though they're based in part on the aristocratic faerie-folk of Irish myth).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 06:50:50 PM
IP: 67.28.91.239

From what pantheons do the Sidhe knights, Gwyn, Rhea and Kunkung of the unseelie court come from?
The Question
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 04:25:23 PM
IP: 204.235.233.214

Well, well another day in lovely freezing Kosovo. BTW, I may down here until July. So much for G03 :(

Bud-Clare> <>

It's not a matter of worth. It's a matter of stoppint the perpetrator from vandalizing property. Killing the bugger does make for one less vandal. But if Islamic Jihad tried to blow up the pyramids, I'd have no qualms slaughtering the lot of them to save the pyramids and Islamic Jihad is an Egyptian terrorist group dedicated to killing everyone in Israel.

In the same vein, if a group of fundamentalist Christians sought to blow up Stonehenge, I'd assemble a team of snipers to wipe out the fanatics.

Maybe I'm evil to think that way, but preserving beauty and history is more important to me than preserving human excrement. If I am, so be it.

I also want to take a blunt instrument to the brats that cause all the griffitti in Germany. It is a disgusting epidemic and we do nothing.

<<I'm genuinely curious as to the logic behind being a Jehovah's Witness (if I can abuse the word "logic" in that fashion).>>
I wish I knew. Religious fervor for such an odd faith. Besides, the 144,000 people they claim will be saved won't be them, anyway.

Dezi> <<A friend of mine actually sicked her german shepherd on one.>> My Uncle invites them to pray the rosary with him. It usually drives them off.

<<Nah, my parents had just gotten divorced, so Trickle-Down Economics and my mom drove my dad into the military. At the time, being government issue had shining stars compared to being layed off at the door factory.>> And he seems the better for it. A crusty old labourer or a patriot with a promising career option.

<<I've stayed with my mom the whole time, and visited my dad when he was at Ft. Sill and Ft. Gordon.>>

Ft Sill, Basic Training? I went there for Basic. I assume Ft Gordon was his AIT.

<<During my junior year, he got sent to Izmir Turkey and took my brother with so he could learn about the world and stop being an @ss. He came back an arrogant @ss that could claim he lived in Turkey during an earthquake. :p Meanwhile I lived it up as an only child.>>
Sadly, you missed out. I've been to Turkey and I love it. If I was one rank higher, I would give a lot for Izmir and I'll sleep with the NSA Advisor to get it (well, I find Condoleeza Rice quiet attractive anyway, so that's a porr analogy).

I was in Istanbul last year and I loved it. I woudl love to spend more time there, like a month and just travel throughout Turkey. I guess its good you got the only child experience, but Turkey is an experience I highly recommend.

<<My dad isn't infantry. I'm not sure exactly what he does but it has something to do with computers and telephones (NOT telemarketing). He got sent to Korea for a tour of duty so he could straighten out some communications mess they had. Whatever it is he does (and if you know what I'm talking about explaining it to me would be great 'cause I have no idea), MCI has offered him a pretty sweet job when he gets out.>>

He has an MOS in thw 30s series and is part of the Signal Corps, which explains his AIT at Ft Gordon. This I know just from what I know of MOSs. With his technical experience and leadership experience, he should do quite well, plus he'll be on a decent Army pension that is not much but a great supplement. He also has a GI Bill and probably a Bachelors Degree as most senior NCOs in more technical fields have an Associates or Bachelors degree.

Besides, College hours count as promotion points up to 67 hours worth.

Tony Elliott> <<I’m nondenominational. When someone asks me, I say I’m a just Christian. If they push it, then I whip out the big nondenominational word. I’m not a member, but I do regularly attend Elmbrook Church. www.elmbrook.org>>

Well, I guessed as much. Most people who talk about being Christian and don't specify are usually nd. I coudl say I'm Christian as I am, but I like being specific say I say I'm Catholic, since Chirstian is too broad a definition as there are so many types. Even among denominational Christians, there are large differences in each Church. Personally I consider each nd Church an autonomus denomination.

Do you attend other churches? I'd say go ahead and be a member.

<<Christians go to church, but it shouldn’t tell them what to do.>> A Church is more than just a professional association. It shouldn't guide their every aspect of life like Wahaabiism, but I see a Chruch as setting the basic guidelines to how to live a Christian life.

<<Its that idea that separates the religious people from the faithful people. To put faith in the church, merely an institution maintained by people, your foundation is on shaky ground at best.>>

Well, it depends on what you mean by put faith in the Church. In an autonomous church beholden only to myself, yes, that would be a bad idea, but how I worship God is absed on the Church I go to and the principles contained within.

And I think its unfair to seperate religious people from faithful people. Most religious people are faithful, and most faithful people are religious. Yes, Churches are not pure, but I reject this pursuit of purity.

Besides, Churches (of all types) are rooted with God and his Word in the Bible. And as far as Chruches falling out of line with the early Christians, its called progress. No religion, even the nds are purely rooted in teh Bible. There are extra-biblical sources, including the changes in scripture over so many different translations, as well as tradition that exists in any faith, whethere admitted or not.

<<I’m getting the feeling that he could be equated to godfather to the third race mafia>>

So does that make Madoc Barzini or Tattaglia? Oberon is not the Godfather. He is Lord of the fey, just as my ancestors were Barons. He is their ruler and does so by birthright. It is an odd concept in this day and age, so it si an understandable mistake, unless your halfway stuck in the Middle Ages like me :)

Imzadi> <<<>: In this country, yes.>>

Well, they could be discrimianted against on intellectual grounds, but we want to read into it. It does show a problem that needs to eb addressed well before College. Soemthing should be doen to reach thsoe kids when they are 6 or so.

<<Okay, maybe I'm ignorant, but I don't get it. Explain?>> The website expalins it, but essentially Unitarians are so much of the "to each his own" philosophy that they really don't have anything in the way of central beliefs shared by all memebers.

<<That was the most racist comment I've heard in here since Greg's "towelheads" comment.>> I thought SJ had something worse. Besides, I've said worse things about the French than a Simpsons inspired Quickie Mart joke :)

<<And we can leave them where they fall?>> Or the prisoners can have some meat with their gruel that day :)

<<True, but those things alone do not make a jewish princess.>> I thought it was all about being daddy's little rich, spoiled brat.

<> We all change our ideas from tiem to time. I used to be against legalizing drugs, until I realized what a complete failure the War on Drugs was.

I also used to be a moral conservative, until I discovered libertarianism, now I'm some kind of Neoconservative/libertarian crossbreed who is mostly opposed to moral legislation. It's also my distaste for left-wing moral legislation that led to me dropping my social conservativism.

<<Odin is pretty hard core, but I don't think he'd last long against Apollo or Hera (a real bitch).>> Well, Odin has his Viking posse to take on the Greeks with him ;)

Frigga can take on Hera. Thor can rip Ares a new one. Frey and Freyja can take on Appolo and Artemis. And I doubt Hades would mess with Hel, and Hermes doesn't have a prayer against Loki.

<<They are?>> It's called not-in-my backyard syndrome, like Clinton being all for public education while he sends Chelsea to private school.

<<True, but since we can't avoid having family members, we should just get rid of christians ;-)>> Typical answer from you, but I'm disspaointed Greg didn't say it first ;)

And if I had soem degenrate pedophile in my family, he'd get a meat cleaver in the neck if he tried anything on my kids (which I doubt I'd have anyway), and hoepfully its my kid who puts it there.

Bud-Clare> <<LOL Stay away from Belldandy, you pervert. :P>> Too bad that wasn't enough to tell Celestin :)

Spacebabie> Sex is German, not Greek. I think the greek word is closer to hex.

Jaden> I understand your condition. Ft Lewis is nown fro being quite bleak. Of course, I think that's common throughout, as I imagine Christine can count the sunny days in December with one hand.

Heather> <<Russian>> Dah! Dmitri has a suitcase for you :)

Hyperion> <<Well, you've got to figure with so many holy artifacts around, at lest one of them has to have holy water in it.>> Holy water does not have that special a quality and you can get it at any Catholic Church, and I doubt you have to go too far to find one of those.

<<Rep. Nancy Peloski (shudder),>>
She's close to him as she represents San Francisco.

California also has Ornage County and Modesto and the Inland Empire which is more right-leaning. Plus the Northernmost area can be quite conservative. I hope the conservatiev area comes through in 04 so Barbara Boxer can be sent out of the Senate and in the rubber room where she belongs :)

<<Uh...not to burst your bubble, but that's like saying the kids safe because he's an alter boy and hangs out with Catholic priests alot.>> Actually, he's twice as safe with the priests :) The priests you'd have to watch out for are the ones with progressive views who whine about the Pope being untrue to Vatican II. It's from that progressive crowd you have the pedophiles sprinkled amidst them.

And if that boy is in massachusettes, he's less safe, but what else can you expect from a state that elects Ted Kennedy.

<<$30 for a dinner of it at a good restaurant...in Japan, unfortunately.>> That's the price in Japan. Not that bad. If that was the price in Sikeston, Missouri, that would be bad.

~~Rice cakes. Bad. No matter what you put on them, you are still eating dust. Plaster. Cardboard. Loam. There is no excuse for eating rice cakes at any time. Something very odd happened here. These objects were obviously manufactured for some other purpose, unkown to me, and were somehow mistakenly labeled and sold as food.~~
-Bill O'Reilly

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 03:59:01 PM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Mesa went to da dentist todayay, mesa not liking da big boss drill thingie, but mesa gota big bill of health... they just needed to get rid of mesas plaque. (Stupid dad passing on gentics) *ahem* enough with the Jar Jar!

Josh> <<My dungeon will have its own qualified medical staff complete with bodyguards. That way if a prisoner becomes sick and his cellmate tells the guard it's an emergency, the guard will fetch a trauma team instead of opening up the cell for a look.>> Good idea, just make sure that these guards don't take naps or have any reading material to distract them and you're set.

Spacebabie><<:::Kisses him to make him feel better.:::> I wouldn't do that, you don't want to get ill again would ya? <<Actually I prefer the type on Mooncat’s board>> I totally agree *'accidentally' spills some green potion of Spacebabie's Delilah Chibi whilst Spacebabie holding it, then runs away very quickly laughing evilly*
Silverbolt the Grey
Shropshire, UK
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 02:34:32 PM
IP: 213.123.39.19

Mom turned 50 yesterday. We blew up yellow balloons that had “Warning old bag” on them. Filled out cards.Dad bought an ice cream cake. Her main gift was the new Shania Twain CD. We also put together a “50” bag. A black bag that says “Old Fart” on it. Inside was A gift box with a coffee mug with the big 50 on it that came with a packet of instant coffee and a packet of pitted prunes. Black socks with 50 on it, A big round pin with all the events that happened in the year 1953 and a pen that changes messages when you press a button like “You know your old when your drink of choice is prune juice.”

SPOILERS FOR BOSTON PUBLIC
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Replies
Bud Claire<<<Do they actually make those? >>>I believe they exist.<<<but it seems like every time I do get really dizzy, it's after taking medicine>>>The same here.<<>>That stuff knocks me out like Nyquil…but it tastes better, specially if you add a lil honey.<<<Problem is, I think that a piece of a letter is caught in the phlegm in my thoat>>>Lovely image.

Dezi<<>>Slimey?<<<there was no eight>>>Stephen was technically eight, but with the small snafu he thought he was seven.

Gside<<>>and I was thinking of the stuff that’s better than beer.<<<Almost made it 23 years without any, but lost 20% of my tooth ot this one.>>> I guess there must be something good in the New Jersey water after all.

Josh<<<Carbonated alcohol?>>>Yup.<<<Fortunately, I've been saved>>>By what?<<<Your type probably involves 4 men and a carton of whipped cream>>>Actually I prefer the type on Mooncat’s board.<<<And then I begin the fun hunt of searching for a summer job>>>More joy, just make sure you get the last weekend in June off.

Heather<<<Russian>>>Uh what? Who is Russian?

Revel<<<Got a bit of a cold, just snuck up on me>>>Blame my mother. :::Kisses him to make him feel better.:::

17. “You gain strenght, courage and confidence by every experience in wich you stop and look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself. “I lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along.” You must do the thing you think you can not do.”~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:58:17 AM
IP: 67.25.52.93

More graduate application stuff today. UCLA is almost finished (sans mailing the transcripts) and UCSD is also almost finished (sans personal statement and transcripts). Nice to have those two out of the way, since I think my odds of getting in are pretty good.

Tomorrow I think I'll write my law school statement of purpose.

Niamhgold: <<WARM break spent in CA>>: Again? Jeez, I wish it was warm in CA where I was! <<getting my generous hosts sick>>: I'm sure they appreciate it. <>: That's a pretty powerful orgasm.

Bud-Clare: <<does the government need a reason to do something stupid?>>: For a conspiracy, yes. <>: That's okay, I've done it. There's talk in the mac community that dead LCD pixels can be "massaged" into working order. Stupid mac users. <<That doesn't sound like insecurity to you?>>: Its not a superiority complex if its a fact ;-) <<Too bad you didn't think of it first>>: Won't stop me from using it. <<since I don't have a mind's finger>>: Then what do you use to mentally give people the birdie? <<So that people could laugh at you?>>: Most of my friends would think it was cool that I got to have kobe beef. <<Comic book artists?>>: That's what I said 8-)

Gside: <<Almost made it 23 years without any>>: I've had one, but it was years ago. Hopefully the coatings they put on will prevent others. <<Let's hear it for flouridated water>>: Jersey? I thought their water tasted like crap. <<Tasty way to die, though>>: Only for the sharks. <>: Okay, this joke is dead. <<It wasn't renouned beef, just the best beef>>: Ah. Says you. <<What about sex and violence? And taxes?>>: You forgot death. <<I'd need to go past a good number of other organs on my way up>>: Unless you just went in through the temple.

nite.

95. My dungeon will have its own qualified medical staff complete with bodyguards. That way if a prisoner becomes sick and his cellmate tells the guard it's an emergency, the guard will fetch a trauma team instead of opening up the cell for a look.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 04:29:22 AM
IP: 64.173.20.135

Got my first tooth filling today, upper right first molar. Almost made it 23 years without any, but lost 20% of my tooth ot this one. Let's hear it for flouridated water.

Bud Clare> <<studiously avoids thinking about that statement>>: Don't think about it, just become my first convert.
<<Ew, pervert>>: Yes, proudly.
<<there is a certain symmetry there>>: Someone's got to make up for Zeus.
<<You want to come out of the closet, or something?>>: Closet? I lie about this kind of thing regularly.

Imzadi> <>: Tasty way to die, though.
<<And now you're gonna throw it all away?>>: I didn't mean to make you cry.
<<They don't make that much booze>>: Who said anything about limiting myself to booze?
<<It can't possibly be renowned if no ones ever seen it>>: It wasn't renouned beef, just the best beef.

Revel> <<And the one constant across cultures, is alcohol>>: What about sex and violence? And taxes?

Bud Clare> <<Which would be complicated, since I don't have a mind's finger>>: If you want, I could help, but I'd need to go past a good number of other organs on my way up.
<<Comic book artists?>>: Worse. Doujinshi artists. I'm not even sure if they've done any sequential art.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:06:25 AM
IP: 68.38.240.227

Bud Clare: <Which would be complicated, since I don't have a mind's finger. > I do, and I gladly flip it off to people that society forbids flipping off the real finger to. Like teachers or people with weapons or people that are bigger or potentially meaner than me.

Yeah I know that was stupid but I needed some amusement.
I'm also watching Greg Proops on Comedy Central.

Dezi
Monday, January 13, 2003 11:57:06 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Josh> <<to accomplish what?>>
Um... does the government need a reason to do something stupid?

<<LCD's don't, though, and I have LCD monitors.>>
Just the glow, then. Those look really nifty when they get kind of smooshed; you get to push the liquid around and it makes cute little waves. But I wouldn't recommend trying it, obviously. Just take my word for it.

<<Each thought their tribute was more important than the one before it, therefore larger and consuming more resources/time/effort.>>
That doesn't sound like insecurity to you?

<< <<Just by pissing me off>>: Ooh I like that!>>
Too bad you didn't think of it first. ;)

<<if you did, your mind's eye would probably want to poke itself out.>>
Which would be complicated, since I don't have a mind's finger.

<<I'd pay that once just to say I'd had such a burger.>>
So that people could laugh at you?

<<Lovingly detailed by men who've never seen a naked woman.>>
Comic book artists?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, January 13, 2003 11:16:38 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

** Niamhgold enters briefly **

Just checking in to say I hope you all had a happy New Year. I'm back on campus, starting school again, after a nice, relaxing, WARM break spent in CA. Though I got a bit of the cold that seems to be circulating everywhere (and getting my generous hosts sick ;)), it was a wonderful vacation. I think my exact words were, during one part of my vacation, "I can die now" ;)

I'll return soon, hopefully
Adios
Niamhgold
Monday, January 13, 2003 11:15:26 PM
IP: 206.41.199.32

Well, back in Denton for school. two classes everyday except Friday I have only one. Hopefully should have plenty of time for fic and art and maybe even sleep.

Got a bit of a cold, just snuck up on me, but I'm ok, probably the sudden weather change since when I started driving it was rain and when I got hear it was sleet and snow. Was spooky, glad I got in before dark. Still getting myself organized so I'll hav ea reply post tomorrow or something.

"And the one constant across cultures, is alcohol."
-Mr. Connell, World hist to 16th Century-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, January 13, 2003 12:23:13 PM
IP: 129.120.233.19

Spent most of today dealing with graduate school apps. I think my personal statement is done, which means all I need to do is wait for my transcripts to become available on the 16th and I can complete the applications. JOY!

And then I begin the fun hunt of searching for a summer job.

Warpmind: <<Two hours in the hairdresser's chair, sitting there with the STRONG hydrogen peroxide solution in my hair, and I ended up with a shade of pale not unlike that of Spike on Buffy>>: But you still don't look like him.

Greg X: <<The Fay live under a monarchy. I don't see what was so complicated about this to begin with>>: If you don't know, its hard to tell. Especially with all of his "subjects" having so much power.

Bud-Clare: <<maybe telemarketing is a government conspiracy>>: to accomplish what? <<you're the only one who can tell>>: Pretty much, yeah. <<Corpses rapidly become public health issues.>>: Bah! You're no fun. <<My mother's monitor flickers something awful>>: LCD's don't, though, and I have LCD monitors. <<I'd ask them how they developed such a bad case of penis envy>>: Penis envy had nothing to do with it. Each thought their tribute was more important than the one before it, therefore larger and consuming more resources/time/effort. <<Just by pissing me off>>: Ooh I like that! <<On the plus side, my next three bad jokes are free>>: Seriously. Cursed mummy puns. <<studiously avoids thinking about that statement>>: if you did, your mind's eye would probably want to poke itself out.

Hyperion: <<the best beef in the world (aside from my...er...*ahem*>>: In your dreams. <<This gastronomical delight can be your for the low, low price of just $41!>>: I'd pay that once just to say I'd had such a burger. <<my pyramid is taller then your pyramid(s)>>: Well, it might have a larger volume too, hence "bigger". <<Now stop whining and go home to your mummy>>: By making that joke, you have consented to be smacked. <<By that standard if you stick a spoiler on a car it's a "race car">>: Of course it is! Just ask any 15-21 year old ricer. <<Yes. Exactly>>: Old RHPS joke. <<DO you promise to love this woman, for richer or poorer, in sickness or in health, or until some guy puts 1.2 mil into you checking account?>>: Uh, sure! <<You did not use your new nickname...now I'll do it for you!>>: I thought about it, then decided that I only go by "Josh". <<did I miss anything?>>: Much better. <<Suck it, Trebeck>>: That's lovely, Mr. Connery. <<my conversations with muggers are usually "You don’t' want to do that" and "told you so">>: Unless you have a CCW permit, you're an idiot.

Gside: <<How about a vat of boiling sharks?>>: I call it "soup". <<lovingly detailed fembots>>: Lovingly detailed by men who've never seen a naked woman. <>: But life had just begun! And now you're gonna throw it all away? <<someday everyone will believe it>>: They don't make that much booze. <<You probably could get more momen if you weren't made out of fire, and you would still have fire on had when you wanted it>>: Yeah, and dragons are always running off with their young virgin sacrifices. <<that's my ahem you're thinking of>>: It can't possibly be renowned if no ones ever seen it.

stargate and then probably sleep

94. When arresting prisoners, my guards will not allow them to stop and grab a useless trinket of purely sentimental value.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, January 13, 2003 04:29:38 AM
IP: 64.170.153.228

Er... That's "throat", obviously. I can spell... not today, but I _can_ spell. ;)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, January 13, 2003 02:11:00 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Still sick, but I made myself some yummy soup: a can of vegetable broth, some carrots, and some alphabets... Problem is, I think that a piece of a letter is caught in the phlegm in my thoat... feels funny. And before someone complains, remember... there are people in here who have shared far ickier things than that.

Hyperion> <<Ok, give me back the portion of my brain you're borrowing. And make sure it's clean.>>
I'm sorry... I already dropped it on the floor. You don't mind a little cat hair, do you?

<<Wow, a medicinal geek. That's so cool.>>
...That's not a phrase that I'm going to be able to wrap my brain around anytime soon...

<<Now stop whining and go home to your mummy.>>
*gasps* Dear God(s)™, he made a mummy pun. Oh, the ignominy of it... On the plus side, my next three bad jokes are free.
__________________
Gside> <<At the moment. I'm working on it.>>
*studiously avoids thinking about that statement*

<<And I can't discount Skuld.>>
Ew, pervert. On the other hand... an adult mortal who's old enough to know better, harassing an underage goddess... there is a certain symmetry there. ;)

<<But they're lower case godesses, not upper case God.>>
You want to come out of the closet, or something?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, January 13, 2003 02:07:40 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Jaden -- Could be seasonal affective disorder -- Get some sunlight or some bright fullspectrum light... If you have trouble sleeping at this time of the year, not getting enough daylight could be your problem.

silvadel
Monday, January 13, 2003 12:32:34 AM
IP: 209.122.188.93

Tony Elliot> <<sharks with frickin’ laser beams attacked to their heads was funny>>: How about a vat of boiling sharks?
<<fembots with lasers in their nether orifices is just sick>>: That's giant, lovingly detailed fembots.

Imzadi> <<My roommate will be thrilled>>: And let him know about a couple incidents with dictators (namely Kim Jon Il raming Auska, and a couple Nazi maids).
<<Did you put a gun against his head?>>: I pulled my trigger, and now he's dead.
<<Keep telling yourself that, someday you might believe it>>: No, someday everyone will believe it.
<>: You probably could get more momen if you weren't made out of fire, and you would still have fire on had when you wanted it.

Warpmind> <<the STRONG hydrogen peroxide solution>>: 33%?
<<get as much slack as possible today>>: So you've joined the Curch of the Subgenius?

Bud Clare> <<But you're the only one who can tell?>>: At the moment. I'm working on it.
<<Stay away from Belldandy, you pervert>>: Urd (and Peorth) I'd assume would be willing. And I can't discount Skuld. But they're lower case godesses, not upper case God.

Hyperion> <<World's Most Decadent Hamburger>>: Not without bacon cheddar sauce it isn't.
<<aside from my...er...*ahem*>>: that's my ahem you're thinking of.

And for the heck of it, the mp3 is Louis Armstrong's Mac the Knife.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, January 12, 2003 11:54:44 PM
IP: 68.38.240.227

AAAAAAANNNNDDDDDD....from the heights of "why bother" preeeeeeesenting the epitome of junk food....the most fantastic fast food...the "World's Most Decadent Hamburger"
Made of 100% Kobe beef, widely renowned as the best beef in the world (aside from my...er...*ahem*) due to the cows being fed a special diet and massaged daily, the burger even has a patty of herb butter in the center of each, and comes with exotic mushrooms (no, not like that), and "microgreens" (that is...shredded lettuce), as well as homemade ketchup, mustard or horseradish sauce. This gastronomical delight can be your for the low, low price of just $41! (Fries are included). The Roll is also "special" in some way, but the article doesn’t' say why. I also thing whoever came up with this idea is "special" in the "rode the short bus" sense of the word.
But then again, what do I know about running a restaurant.
And in case you are wondering, Kobe beef is the best in the world, period. $30 for a dinner of it at a good restaurant...in Japan, unfortunately.

Drat...now I'm hungry.

DPH><Yea, but they choose to obey some laws>Like what Thermodynamics? The Laws of Motion? The speed limit? I'd argue the point, but I don’t' know what you're trying to say...
<Sorry, I don't consider it stupid legislation, but a nice way to send sexual offenders back to prison>Hmm...you're welcome to your opinion, even if it's wrong.(j/k) Seriously though, I see your point, the problem is that a significant number of sexual offenders are lying on their forms and then disappearing. Add to that the cost of keeping a flawed database that is, at this point, useless and you start to see the problem. You wanna track 'em; you implant a microchip and use GPS to LOJACK 'em. The hell with the privacy, you molest kids, you get no sympathy from me.
More accurately, though I was just amused at the shocked tone of the headline. Like, "oh my god? Criminals are refusing to follow a law? How strnge!"
<impossible scenario right now, considering all of his neighbors but one are family>Uh...not to burst your bubble, but that's like saying the kids safe because he's an alter boy and hangs out with Catholic priests alot.

Bud-Clare><Like gravity?>Ok, give me back the portion of my brain you're borrowing. And make sure it's clean.
<That'll teach me not to bother reading the label> Wow, a medicinal geek. That's so cool. ;
<My pyramid is bigger than your pyramid!> Actually, my pyramid is taller then your pyramid(s). Now stop whining and go home to your mummy.

Green Baron> LOL
<Poor Sammy the Bull Gravano in pink underwear> That was a visual image I didn't need.
<build 7 million dollar mosques>And poems to his greatness in 24 karat gold.

Tony Elliot><Does your truck have a NRA sticker on it?>I don’t' drive a truck, nor am I a member of the NRA. I find their stance on some legislation to be quite counter to my beliefs. I'm still irritated at their support for the "assault weapons ban". Look! That shotgun has a pistol grip, it's an "assault weapon!" That rifle has a bayonet lug! It's an "assault weapon!" By that standard if you stick a spoiler on a car it's a "race car". Idiots.
BTW: www.flashbunny.org Check it out.

Nerfle (josh)><claps>Yes. Exactly.
<I'd be happy if I were worth that much>DO you promise to love this woman, for richer or poorer, in sickness or in health, or until some guy puts 1.2 mil into you checking account?
I do...
<Okay> Fool! You did not use your new nickname...now I'll do it for you!
<t's not fair to judge the state based on the actions of one small city> hmm...ok...what else you got...let's see...overwhelming debt...eco-nuts running rampant...Rep. Nancy Peloski (shudder), Hollywood...smog...Mexican illegals aplenty....did I miss anything?
<holy water had to be blessed by a priest> Well, you've got to figure with so many holy artifacts around, at lest one of them has to have holy water in it.
<Uh huh sure> Suck it, Trebeck
<Cost me a whole $8> Hmm...my conversations with muggers are usually "You don’t' want to do that" and "told you so"

Hmmm...time to relax with ice cream.

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"It's better you are running it and someone else is at this end."
"He's my patient."
"When I took over B5, he became my responsibility. I don't think losing my head of security two weeks into the job will look good in my resume.
Hyperion
Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:37:13 PM
IP: 151.199.239.231

Russian.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:15:23 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Well I've entered my insomnia period for this year. For the past week I've been getting about 4 1/2 hrs of sleep a night. It sucks! BAAAAAAD. I'm tempted to just ram my head into the wall.

The test, I got Demona, I don't know how. I think the test has a bug or something.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, January 12, 2003 09:28:35 PM
IP: 172.192.43.177

Somewhere near the beginning
silvadel
Sunday, January 12, 2003 08:32:05 PM
IP: 209.122.188.93

Hey there was no eight....

Dezi
Sunday, January 12, 2003 07:42:01 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

10 then.

nyah

tony elliot>> my address is working fine, i just checked it. make sure you put ".ca" at the end of the address, not ".com"
lain and gunjack
Sunday, January 12, 2003 06:58:18 PM
IP: 65.93.72.73

Ooops. Josh and Iposted nearly at the same time. He's Six...and I'm lucky number Seven.

Stephen= Ocho and Mooncat=9

Ten is still up for grabs.

Spacebabie
Sunday, January 12, 2003 06:55:28 PM
IP: 67.24.94.117

9th in the name of the Fay!

MC
Mooncat
Sunday, January 12, 2003 06:52:57 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Seventh, in the name of SPOOOOOON!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Sunday, January 12, 2003 06:49:56 PM
IP: 65.35.132.55

To quoth Josh

SEX!

wich I believe is Greek for six?

Spacebabie
Sunday, January 12, 2003 06:38:42 PM
IP: 67.24.94.117

Sex!

I mean six!
Josh
Sunday, January 12, 2003 06:37:56 PM
IP: 64.170.153.228

Wheeeeeeee!
Fifth!
Dezi
Sunday, January 12, 2003 06:33:38 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Fourth!
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Sunday, January 12, 2003 05:59:54 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Third!
Ed
Sunday, January 12, 2003 05:35:38 PM
IP: 131.111.8.103

The Puck claims spot number two!

:: plants a flag ::
Patrick Toman
Sunday, January 12, 2003 05:30:43 PM
IP: 67.38.248.157

Top Ten!

1st!
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Sunday, January 12, 2003 05:28:02 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20