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Anonymous - [<-Leo's IP address]
Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:28:53 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

FIRE THE CANNONS BOYZ!!!

[A Magazine of thirty-cannon ROAR!]

PAPER CHAMPS NO MORE! BUCCANEERS SCUTTLE THE RAIDERS 48-21!

BUCS WIN! BUCS WIN!! BUCS WIIIIIIIN!!!

MAINTAIN AND CHECK SIX!
Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [PROUD TAMPA BAY BUCS FAN!!! BUCS WIN!!!]
Tampa Bay, FL, USA
Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:23:02 PM
IP: 65.35.132.55

Just leaving a place marker here... the Super Bowl's just ended, and I want to see how long it is before Stephen appears to grace us with another chorus of that Queen tune. ;)
Patrick Toman
Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:15:00 PM
IP: 67.38.246.18

Vashkoda - <Actually, I don't announce when member bios or archives are updated, since that's part of the pages' regular maintenance> Ahh. Thanks for the info.

Revel - <Put up a new story and some new pics including a few from school projects.> congrats.

Tony Elliot - <What was that?> Holographic DPH was created for those times when I am too tired to post, don't feel like posting, or don't have the time to post. Holographic DPH serves in about the same capacity for me that Owen serves for David Xanatos except he's 100 times more loyal to my cause, not necessarily me. In retrospect, I probably should have sent Holographic DPH to make my post on early Tuesday morning.

Imzadi - <It will house our legally created MP3 collection> and how much space would it take for the illegal stuff?

A couple of questions I've been meaning to ask: Is "Scorched Earth" a good policy to use? One of the games I play has computer opponents who use that policy towards the end of the game when I start getting too powerfull.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, January 26, 2003 09:21:08 PM
IP: 204.94.193.51

Thirty second Superbowl Halftime show report...

Shania Twain > You wouldn't think I could find anything bad to say about a woman who performs in a jeweled bra, leather miniskirt, and thigh-high boots dominatrix ensemble... but she wasn't even trying at all during her second song to keep up with the lipsynching as she strolled through the crowd. Pathetic. At least TRY to keep up the illusion that you're singing live.

No Doubt & Sting > Interesting combo for a duet on the old Police song "Message in a Bottle." And they actually WERE singing the song live. What a concept!

And now off to watch the second half.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, January 26, 2003 08:24:18 PM
IP: 67.38.246.18

Got my art stuff done this weekend for Tuesday. Have to do a few more skectches for then, but he siad they could be anything so I figured I'll mix a little of my own stuff with some TGS art ideas.
So it's game day, I am more interested in thecommercials myself, but My roomie is a Bucs fan (yes, even before this season)and my Spacie is rooting for them so I'll cheer them on. Personally I don't watch football because it's boring to me. I played football all the way up through high school, yes, for those of you who have met me, I am decieving. I may look thin but I am strong and most of all just down right mean when I played. After doing it myself it is very boring to watch. Just the way it is for me.

*SELF PROMO*
Did a site update, almost out of free space so I may have to start paying for it soon, oh well.
Put up a new story and some new pics including a few from school projects.

*End*

GregX- You know it's all funny now to make fun of going to war and blowign stuff up but once the body bags start coming home you really will be glad what country you live in and why it's not all of us out there.

Josh- you mean people actually live in Oakland? I though they just migrated back and forth from San Francisco.

Winterwolf- *waves* long time no see, try to pop in more often.

Spacebabie- *hugs* the worse part I was hoping you would spend next semester with me, oh well :P As for the cold, well if hell can freeze over so can central Florida. *cuddles* stay warm darlin.

"Dude, I think this sh!it just kicked in."
-Jay, Dogma-
Revel - [<<---------New Stuff]
denton, tx
Sunday, January 26, 2003 05:17:13 PM
IP: 129.120.173.67

Ahhhhh. My dog Dottie and I just went to McDonalds on a cheeseburger run. She takes hers without ketchup, mustard, or onions, and I take the pickles from hers and put them on mine. I haven't had greasy junkfood in weeks. Sucks to be a poor college kid. The History Channel influenced my decision a little - but I assume that's what they were trying to do by airing a documentary on fast food around lunch time. Did you know that the White Castle buildlings were modeled after the Chicago Watertower? (according to the show).
Good news: I just got promoted officially from feature page editor of my school paper to the photo editor. I get to play with a camera that costs more than my car, like $9000. Almost makes me scared. :-)

A lamp fell off of this really high shelf the other day at work, while this little old lady who comes in there everyday was trying to get it. It hit her on the head and she had to get lots of stitches and has a concussion. I felt bad for her, she brings me Arby's coupons or candy when she sees me at work. But she's ok, though, she came in the very next day so as not to break her record of coming in every day since like October.

Tony:<Missouri. I can’t really say “I” was Lutheran, my faith was really my mom’s when we / she made the switch in 95’.> *gives high five, or something cheesy like that* I was raised in a Lutheran Missouri Church, even attending the Church backed school all the way up to the sixth grade. < they church was not involved with the community,> Mine was. But it was in a itty bitty town where you know practically everyone anyway. The key thing I remember most is the German food booth they would set up and run at the big town July 4 picnic thing at a local park. I remember having to help when they cooked all that German food. I was one of like 4 people who were there at preparation that were under like 65 so I got to do lots of errand running and carrying of heavy things such as potatos. Do you have any idea what 80 lbs. of cooking sauer kraut smells like?! *shudders* <the content of the services was not aimed at growing and maturing one’s faith, but simply to go through the routine of worship> I'll second that. I have actually fallen asleep with my eyes open during sermons. At the Hobby Lobby (work) they place religious muzak with out any words, but when this one song comes on, no matter what time of the year it is, I always think of Easter Sunday cause they always played that at church no fail. I havent even been to church in like 4 years and I still could probably recite an entire service, just because it was forced into my brain.

In the end, we got a new pastor while I was in junior high, who had a somewhat Catholic twist. Apparently, the Missouri Synod is going through some sort of upheaval, where some young pastors being trained are starting to lean back to Catholosism (sp) and other people are not wanting to go that way so I heard word that the Synod might split. As for that pastor, he did begin to divide my church, but also would get drunk off the communal wine, restrict the roles that girls could play in the service (before him, girls could be acolytes and light the candles and collect the little communion glasses but he said that was immoral *?!*). The last straw was when he held a birthday party for his son in November on this really foggy night, and got all the kids to play "reindeer". To clarify: He sat in his car with his son in the passenger seat while about ten seven year olds held flashlites and held on to a long rope tied to the side mirrors of his car. He drove it at like a 1/2 mph while the little kids "pulled" the "sleigh". The kid in the front got a red flashlite so he could be rudolph. This proceeded for about two blocks before turning onto the four-lane mainstreet, and then another block until Oscos. Keep in mind this was the one of the foggiest nites that we had had that year. My cousin happened to be in Oscos, and saw the pastor run in mumbling something about buyin M&Ms for his reindeer. They looked outside and saw all these kids sitting infront of the car.
Parents pulled their kids out of school after that and my former grade school (which had been one of the best in the town when I was there, complete with a waiting list for the preschool) closed down and is now being rented out to the public school across the street as room for the ESL kids. My church split after that, with my family leaving to the new church, which is not held in a formal church but whereever we can find space to rent until we can get a formal church. In the end, I figured out that I'm certainly not gonna let some maniac tell me what to believe, so I'm very weary of churches in general.

Josh: <Are the citizens of Oakland more likely to riot if the Raiders win or if they lose?> Hmmm. Interesting.
<<<It's the end of the world as we know it>>: Do you feel fine?> I do. :-) I got bonus points on a test once cause I knew what ITEOTWAWKI meant. The teacher was needlessly shocked. I also got a standing O once at a karaoke for knowing all the words by heart and not looking at the screen. The words on the screen were all wrong anyway so if I looked, I would have started laughing.
<My cats do less damage than the dog ever did.> Dottie dog knocks stuff off tables with her waggy tail. But she is still terrified of cats and now puppies as well.
<Gside: <>: I thought the a male's prime was 17?> Maybe he's a late bloomer.

Jaden: <It would be sooooooo much easier since that include the entire world. > Yeah but that would be kinda a bummer. It could easily get depressing after a while.

Green Baron: <New England, midwest, Plains States, Pacific Northwest, California, Southwest, and Southeast. > Does that mean that we'd start having to get a visa to visit coast-to-coast? Besides Ashcroft is relatively temporary, legislation, or secession is less temporary. Maybe polititians should remember that.
<Maybe you mena South Korea. > No, its North Korea. Thats why he's so proud. If you live in s. Korea for like 6 years, it shouldn't be that hard to get your hands on some s. korean soju, but n. korea is another matter. Unless he's been had.
BTW, what is a "soldier's biography"? My dad sent me one, to edit for him, but it kinda sounded like an army obit, which was just a little bit creepy. Just a little. It was a brief life history, where born and highschool and stuff, and then when on to where he was stationed and when promoted.
Oh yeah, and is being deployed in the 4th Infantry Division of Operation Enduring Freedom (scoffs a little at that name) a bad place to be? I'd ask him but I know he won't give me a straight answer. It'd be a "just doing my job/civilians don't understand/G.I. Joe cartoon" type of answer.
<Neitehr do West Virginians, and Arkansas and W Virginia are the butts of most in-breeding jokes. > Brings to mind the report of when they were gonna renovate the Arkansas Governer mansion, so they brought in some double-wide trailors and hooked them together as a temporary residence. Now, that was a news anchor witty bantor joke just waiting to happen.
<Attempting to assinate a former head of state sounds like a decalration of war to me. Maybe not a world war, but a liscence to get your ass kicked. > *Evil Dezi knocks good Dezi away from the keyboard* Yes, but as I said before, it sounds like GWB is calling out Saddam on the playground. *Evil Dezi snarls and crawls back under the couch where she belongs, while good Dezi takes her place back at the key board*
<beg for the mercy of Israel,> I don't see that happening, as they do have their pride, and pride is a very difficult thing to overcome, even to say you're sorry. Especially if you don't think you need to say that you're sorry.
 Interesting mind-picture: The government of France is overthrown, and France becomes an Islamic-Extremist State. An IES, however, that likes its wine. But what, oh what, would happen to Euro-Disney, and the poor guy that walks around there in the Mickey Mouse costume? :-)
* what does sharia mean?*
< turn down the heart while turning up the brain. > Yeah it's kinda hard to type like that, and still make sure the right stuff is capitalized and all the commas are in place.
<When we can get hijacked with box cutters, we prove too civilized and maybe we need to get a bit more medieval.> There's a difference between civilized and having the blinders on. ;)
<Why not? Greg was deliberately vague on this, basically saying that such a decision was up to you.> Hmmmm. Who does Oberon answer to? Where does he and his kind go when they die?
<If I recall, Libya, Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, China, and Cuba are all members of the UN Human Rights Commission. > That's like my school's diversity board being nine white people and one black lady.
<Granted I have no addiction to oil or gas guzzling cars.> Pictures some hopeless addict lighting up an oil cigarette. Ka-Boom!
Oh, and thanks for the help offer, though I hope you dont get sent there. Shoot, I don't want anyone sent there, but that's another matter.

Spacebabie: *Evil Dezi crawls out from under the couch and offers and evil snarl directed at the powers-that-be at your school that deserve a good snarl. You can disperse this snarl at your leisure. Evil Dezi crawls back under the couch*
<Holy heck it got Real cold here. Dropped below 28 degrees all of Central Florida was under a freeze warning> Hee hee. All week its been like 8 as the high and zero or less as the low. And this in Indianapolis. My only consolation to freezing is at least we have snow. This would be depressing if we didn't. To clarify, when I said a while ago that I like the cold, I meant a nice 20- 30 degrees.
Will this weather screw up the oranges or some such thing in the spring?
<It’s the Midwest and it’s winter> I've been told that if you can ski successfully here (or at least in Illinois)over a period of a couple of days, you can ski anywhere.
<<<<How'd you like that gratuitous placement of the Daily Planet?>>>I liked it.> It wouldn't have been Metropolis without it. I found a site that had semi-spoilers for all the rest of the episodes for the rest of the season. I'll try to find it again if you want it. :)

FireStorm: <Yeah, that could be a problem. That's why I am not in the army. Well, that... and wanting to stay home > I told him that he can be all that he wants to be, but I'm gonna enjoy the "freedom" of the press.
____________________________
My evil neighbors above me who party all the time, leave beer bottles everywhere outside our building, and generally disturb the peace have gotten evicted 8-) Right now, they are either moving out or having an elephant going away party upstairs. Don't know which. An added bonus: The people that are next door to the evicted, and who would also party with the evicted, also got evicted because they spray painted obscenities on the wall in blue krylon, among other things. Ah the peace at last.
Later!
Dezi
Sunday, January 26, 2003 02:51:01 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Online registration with paypal is now up for the Gathering.

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/online_order.html

Lynati
Sunday, January 26, 2003 01:54:33 PM
IP: 65.66.152.37

Mutter...mutter...
I'm sure I could say something witty and insightful, but I don't really care to. Currently I'm in one of those irritating periods wherein the peak of my energy level involves sitting around watching TV. I think it has something to do with the farking cryogenic weather around here.
Let's see....writing: too much work. Games: To irritating. And Mechwarrior 4 crashes more often the a blind guy in the Indy 500.
hmm...I suppose I could do a raid on the local library and hope that someone, somewhere wrote an actual good piece of fiction...one sans holes big enough to pilot a supertanker though.
World politics: The amount of stupidity in the world today is simply overwhleming. I say we drop a 75 megaton nuke over Baghdad and tell the rest of the world that the next idiot that steps out of line gets a visit from the Atomic Express. Then close our boarders and get back to the serious business of overthrowing the US governemnt and getting back to a constutionally accurate system.
Oh yeah, bonus points to England for the new crime stopping measure; sending letters to criminals asking them not to commit crimes. I am now adding the Labor Party to my list of people to shoot on sight, along with Scientologists.

Josh><data storage> Came in just over 2K. Drives were about a thousand, I had a spare 6G drive for the OS. Raid cards were a few hundred each (x4) plus case ($120)
Now All I need to do is set up a system wherein whenever someone tampers with the case it degausses the drives and then ignites the thermite packed around them.

*******************************************
"You've got a plan?"
"Try not to get killed."
"Brilliant."

Hyperion
Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:58:09 PM
IP: 151.199.239.106

Green Baron: (re: Liverpool) I haven't seen the movie, but yes I suspect it is.
Ed - [ed@steelclaw.org]
London, England
Sunday, January 26, 2003 07:54:12 AM
IP: 131.111.8.103

********SPOILERS********Gargoyles: New Legends********SPOILERS********
Transitions part II:
I really liked the aerial fight with the quarrymen. The visual descriptions really gave my minds eye and easy time seeing the action.
What was the point of the horny drunks in the tunnel stalking Delilah? How did they know so much about the clan? And with that knowledge, wouldn’t they realize they’d get their @sses kicked, or worse, by hitting on her like that? These two characters seemed out of place.
The clans mixed acceptance of Delilah at the castle seemed plausible enough. I’m curious as to how Elisa will take the news.
Thanks MC & crew! Any word on the next GNL story?
*********END SPOILERS **************************

<Holographic DPH>
What’s with all of the holographic stuff? I vaguely remember you talking about holographic mistletoe last month. What was that?

Kaioto
<Gargoyles is first and foremost about people, the aspects of humanity reflected in the human, Fey, and gargoyle characters in the series.>
Touché. I could say the same about Star Trek. That's what makes Gargoyles, Trek, and a bunch of other series so good.
If your getting a new PC, and I seems like your doing games, I cant recommend enough getting a video card with 3D glasses. I’m running an Asus v7700 deluxe (old geeforce 2, but still kickin’). Gargoyles rebirth is soooo incredibly cool in 3D. If you have no Idea what (free) game I’m talking about go to - http://castellant.free.fr/ .

Bud-Clare
<Please don't ever be sarcastic again. You aren't at all good at it.>
Sarcastic was the wrong word, I was being snide.

Patrick Toman
<Let's talk about the midwest instead. Specifically, let's figure out why it's so danged cold here. 2 degrees at 7 AM... "high" temperature of 20 today>
Bah, that’s not cold. That’s pleasant jogging weather.

Lol.

Josh
** Tony holds up white flag tied to telescoping radio antenna **
I’m done bickering about Mac’s and PC’s. In the end, the consumer market will determine what’s better to buy. I’ll respect yours and anyone else’s decision to like Macs and you can respect mine to like PC’s. Deal?
<There are 40 students in the class, and how many books did they order? 8!>
I hate it when they do that! Why can’t the registrar’s office learn to coordinate with the bookstore? I’ve given up on MSOE’s bookstore and just by from Amazon.
<No Adobe crap needed for printing or converting or writing PDF's. It's great.>
That sounds nice. Chalk one for Apple.
< <<Everyone is born with a sense of right & wrong>>: I wasn't. And I don't think anyone else is. Ethics are taught, not genetic. >
CSL did an excellent job explaining what I mean by people have an innate sense of right and wrong.
“Every one has heard people quarrelling. Sometimes it sound funny and sometimes it sounds merely unpleasant; but however it sounds, I believe we can learn something very important form listening to the kind of things they say. They say things like this: ‘how’d you like it if anyone did the same to you?’ – ‘That’s my seat, I was there first’ – ‘Leave him alone, he isn’t doing you any harm’ – ‘Why should you shove in first?’ – ‘Give me a bit of you orange, I gave you a bit of mine’ – ‘Come on, you promised.’ People say things like that every day, educated people as well as uneducated, and children as well as grown-ups.
Now what interests me about all these remarks is that the man who makes them is not merely saying that the other man’s behavior doesn’t happen to please him. He is appealing to some kind of standard of behavior which he expects the other man to know about. And the other man very seldom replies: ‘to hell with your standard.’ Nearly always he tries to make out that what he has been doing does not really go against the standard… It looks, in fact, very much as if both parties had in mind some kind of Law or Rule of fair play or decent behavior or morality… And they have. If they had not, they might, of course, fight like animals, but they could not quarrel in the human sense of the word. Quarrelling means trying to show that the other man is in the wrong. And there would be no sense in trying to do that unless you and he had some sort of agreement as to what Right and Wrong are; just as there would be no sense in saying that a footballer had just committed a foul unless there was some agreement about the rules of football.”
Copied from isbn: 0060652926
<You're just jealous because we could conquer the rest of the this sorry country!>
Well, the media from Hollywood already has.

Green Baron
<Sure, God knows, but God does not decide for us…>
That’s an interesting subject. We have to have free will. God loves us, and wants us to love him. That’s why were here in the first place. We can’t be forced to love, for it wouldn’t be love then. Because we have the choice to love, that means we are not predestined or elect to “get into heaven”. More so, we don’t “get into” heaven like one gets accepted college. It’s a gift, a blessing, and grace that we can join God after life on earth.
<Where you Wisconsin Synod Lutheran>
Missouri. I can’t really say “I” was Lutheran, my faith was really my mom’s when we / she made the switch in 95’. Now that I’m older, it is MY faith, and I’m definitely non denominational.
<see them as lacking modernism?>
Yes. But that wasn’t really too terribly important. The two things I didn’t like was that: 1 – they church was not involved with the community, 2 – the content of the services was not aimed at growing and maturing one’s faith, but simply to go through the routine of worship. Elmbrook, on the other hand is very involved with the community (with a congregation of 6000+ they should) and organizes many community outreach ministries; they even produce an internationally syndicated TV and radio show, Telling the Truth. Their services also always focus on personal growth in Christ, which is supplemented with many education programs. The bottom line is the Lutheran church was based on religion, but Elmbrook is based on faith. I’ll explain more about religion vs faith if you want.
<but I have some strong anti-contemporary and anti-modern tendencies>
What do you mean by contemporary and modern?
<Well, at least you're not the type of nd that thinks alchohol is immoral>
Especially when one comes from a German (actually Austrian, but crykee, who ever heard of Austria, mate?) family. If alcohol was forbidden, I don’t think Jesus would have turned water into wine. I’m pretty sure that alcohol is not prohibited, but drunkenness is. The key idea is that the body is the Lord’s temple and were supposed to respect it; you can do that with a drink or two, but not eight.
<Soem also believe gambling is a sin, and to that I say B-23 :)>
“12… hit me. 18… hit me. 20… hit me. 21… hit me – DOH!”

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI, - Its not so cold here this week compared to the rest of the U.S.
Sunday, January 26, 2003 04:37:50 AM
IP: 65.29.159.249

DPH: <<Lady Mystic - I am suprised that the GNC didn't pick up on your announcement.>> Oh sure, make me feel bad. =P Actually, I don't announce when member bios or archives are updated, since that's part of the pages' regular maintenance (not to downplay the time and hard work that LM puts into it). And as for the e-mail address change, LM has already fixed it on all the TGS pages, so there isn't really any need to alert anyone.

Lynati: When will we know what the menu is? And can we pre-register now and decide on the banquet later? (turning in two separate forms at different times if need be?)
Vashkoda
Sunday, January 26, 2003 03:29:25 AM
IP: 129.98.123.136

Finished my weeks homework already! I love that first week of school. Now I'm working on keeping my Virtual Windoze boxes updated. Debating installing Virtual PC 6. What's the general consensus on Windows XP?

Are the citizens of Oakland more likely to riot if the Raiders win or if they lose?

Saw Confessions of a Dangerous Mind last night. Strongly recommend it.

Spacebabie: <<Now I have to take three more classes to graduate>>: That sucks. Will it take an extra semester? <<Why didn’t they mention this the last time I was getting advice?>>: Advisors really don't keep track of enough stuff, IMO. They're bad at Berkeley too. <<we corrupted you didn’t we?>>: No, we just proved he isn't as virtuous as he thinks he is. <<Cat girl, French Maid, Nurse, and playboy bunny>>: Hehe. <<All part of the beauty that is corporate America>>: Don't worry, because it didn't happen. All the judge did was rule that the toys aren't dolls. And don't go blaming the corporations for this one. Its all due to the judicial system and import duties. <<Sounds like University math>>: Ironically, we have a good math program. <<Lilah is a hot chick?>>: I'd do her. <<Microsoft?>>: Quite.

Fire Storm: <<can't Detroit get a single break?>>: No. <<What ya';ll needs is a couple of 240GB drives!>>: My roommate just ordered one. It will house our legally created MP3 collection 8-) <<you are sent where you aren't wanted and both sides try to shoot you" thing>>: Just like College! <<you call yourself an engineer>>: I call myself a highly-paid engineer, for exactly that reason. I know when to stop screwing with the product 8-) <<Normal is a relative term>>: Relative to me! <<don't forget that YOU wanted me to build you a robotic Demona love slave>>: Ah, true. Forgot about that.

Green Baron: <<California>>: You're just jealous because we could conquer the rest of the this sorry country! <<It's the end of the world as we know it>>: Do you feel fine? <<radical Islamists and whiet supremacists have made a sort of devil's baragin on their mutual hatred of the Jewish people>>: I'm glad I have the ability to bring others together 8-) <<anti-Zionsim strikes me as a politically correct way to be anti-semitic>>: No way. Zionists are nucking futz. <<Bush rescinded that weenie executive order against assasinations>>: Its just a publicity move anyway. The CIA still carries them out. <<Alan Greenspan>>: LOL! <<because the vision restoration was only 90%. A good boon, but not a miracle>>: Stupid miracle investigators. <<as the price of oil increases, alternatives will become more and more attractive>>: They're not even high enough in Europe for that.

Bud-Clare: <<My puppy is weird, but she stays off the tables and counters>>: My cats do less damage than the dog ever did. When they're on something, we pick them up and take them off. <<It'll be a surprise>>: I hate surprises. <<fake wood grains>>: Really?! whoa, must have missed that. <<Chick. Call me that again>>: That's nice. <<is that what I was supposed to learn?>>: Yes. Because that's how you get a job. Careers aren't built on skills alone, even when you start your own firm. You need people skills, and that's what college is supposed to teach...well, unless you're an engineer or programmer. <>: But then you don't get noticed for research positions.

DPH: <<there is a long line of people waiting to break down anybody in the CR who wants to be a moralist>>: No, we have hobbies. But there is an interest in getting so-called moralists to shut up 8-) <<What Imzadi meant to type>>: no, that's not what I meant to type. I've been using computers for 15 years, I know how to type what I mean 8-)

Gside: <>: I thought the a male's prime was 17? <<How about Postscript?>>: No idea. <<you must make sure the bullets you buy fit in the guns your people have>>: True, but I don't think you can get charged with arms violations for buying lots of bullets. <<you have a general lack of cold nights>>: They get cold enough for me. <<COOTYS RAT SEMEN>>: Twisted. <<That'll probably get in the way a bit in my job search>>: My advice: learn to act humble while *thinking* "I'm going to kill them all" 8-) <<Waiting for me to post while the Rutgers network was not feelng well>>: Yes, that. Strangely enough, my internet connection didn't suck last night. <<how about young housewife wearing only an apron?>>: How about Eliza Dushku wearing a cinema display and iPod? ;-) <<He's a CivE. He likes things that don't move>>: True, but that has nothing to do with taking things apart.

Tomorrow is...Advertisements!

107. Even though I don't really care because I plan on living forever, I will hire engineers who are able to build me a fortress sturdy enough that, if I am slain, it won't tumble to the ground for no good structural reason.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, January 26, 2003 03:25:43 AM
IP: 64.170.154.228

I am now prime. Rather a boring year, but I should probably appreciate it while they're consolidated more in the low numbers. At least I got a free fat knight out of it, and hopefully more toys tomorrow.

Imzadi> <<No Adobe crap needed for printing or converting or writing PDF's>>: How about Postscript?
<<Bullets are bullets>>: But you must make sure the bullets you buy fit in the guns your people have.
<>: Nah. No one's normal.
<>: Perhaps, but you have a general lack of cold nights.

Winterwolf> <>: It's from a movie.
<>: But missed MONTEREYS COAST, MY SOCRATES NOTE, COOTYS RAT SEMEN, and...

Bud Clare> <<And some of us can know how stuff works without feeling manly>>: Then feel womanly about it.

Imzadi> <>: All people deserve some respect, no one deserves too much. That'll probably get in the way a bit in my job search.
<<What am I still doing awake?>>: Waiting for me to post while the Rutgers network was not feelng well.

Spacebabie> <<Along with Cat girl, French Maid, Nurse, and playboy bunny>>: And how about young housewife wearing only an apron?

Fire Storm> <<At least they are searching just for the sake of finding horrible stuff and not enjoyment>>: But it is the internet, so you never can tell.
<<What ya';ll needs is a couple of 240GB drives>>: I'm doing all right. Just picked up Onegai Teacher (1.61 GB) today. He did say he had the complete series, but 12 episodes seems like an unusual number.
<<They need to experiment more>>: But that'd annoy nutter, and he has to sleep in the same room.
<<It's a movement that cares>>: Unless you want Alice.
<<Large men in Sailor Moon outfits having "lesbian sex" with a equally large man dressed as Sailor Mercury>>: Actually, I've gone and found some, and they have some nice women. Doing weird things, of course, but what do you want? It's Japan.
<<And you call yourself an engineer>>: He's a CivE. He likes things that don't move.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, January 26, 2003 01:23:03 AM
IP: 198.151.130.246

Holographic DPH, out of his own inititive, is looking for loopholes. He wasn't happy.

Green Baron - <The average European before or after the Reformation, regardless of if they were Catholic or Protestant probably had the same likelihood of salvation by the choices they made and the strength fo their faith. The Church Hierarchy during the Rennaisance may have been corrupt but the average joe wasn't and there were still priests who were not part of the corrupt system, especially in Ireland, which really had no involvement in Church politics, except their monks preserved Western Civilization. > Granted that protestants didn't do much better. After reading a book about the Crusades, I lost my faith in "Christian" Europe during that time period. <And he's one of the better ones.> Thank you for that comment.

Spacebabie - <Ah we corrupted you didn’t we?> If I say yes, I predict certain responses from certain people. If I say no, I predict different responses from the aforementioned people. Therefore, I decline to comment on what corrupted me or how corruptible I was or wasn't when I started posting in the CR.

Winterwolf - <Feel free.> Thanks.

Bud Clare - <Is this your idea of a hobby?> Only if I was really interested in trying to extrapolate those numbers.

Imzadi - < Its about frikkin' time.> Let me guess: there is a long line of people waiting to break down anybody in the CR who wants to be a moralist. <And what do you mean, affairs in order. Are you dying?> Until I get my religious affairs in order, of course.

Commander - What Imzadi meant to type was that Season 4 of Gargoyles and Pendragon are currently being worked on and have not been released YET.

Lady Mystic - I am suprised that the GNC didn't pick up on your announcement.

*Wonders when the next CR wipe will be for no particular reason*
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:48:19 AM
IP: 204.94.193.53

What a long week, anyone agree? Good I'm glad you all do.

Christine<X-men> What the? You know sometimes I really want to hate everyone who makes a stupid mistake. It would be sooooooo much easier since that include the entire world.

Green Baron- I know what you mean. The wind always makes cold colder. Use your gator neck, it saved my ears.

Well I was going to say more, but I'm tired.
Later.

Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:29:23 AM
IP: 172.193.51.21

Josh> <>
I like weird, too, just not weird the way cats are. My puppy is weird, but she stays off the tables and counters...

<<What happens next time.>>
It'll be a surprise.

<<the fruit flavored iMacs come to mind. As do flower power and blue dalmatian.>>
Dell's had some tacky fake wood grains and metallics lately. Bleh.

<<Call you what?>>
Chick. Call me that again, and I'll see to it that that "Nerfle" name catches on. ;)

<<Do you have SE?>>
Yep.

<<No, I went to college. I know all about pretending to have respect for people that don't deserve it.>>
Wow, is that what I was supposed to learn? I just learned to keep my mouth shut. (i.e. they can't tell if you're showing them respect or not if you say as little as possible.) But really, my problem with the military would be laughing. I can avoid saying rude things to people if I put my mind to it, but the laughter just slips right out.

Spacebabie> <<Dropped below 28 degrees all of Central Florida was under a freeze warning and on Friday morning in the counties of Brevard and Volusia there was snow.>>
*whimpers* Are the pretty 'gators okay? And the other animals? It's so cold...

Thomas> <<It was funny due to its on crack humor>>
I was thinking more LSD than crack.

<>
Well, yeah, but they were funny evil. :)

<<Sorry, but I don't think you're bitchy at all.>>
Shows what you know. :P

<>
*perks up* I'll give them to you. Especially Kaylee, the demon kitty. ;)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:01:19 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Thanks for the clarification. Helps with the fic, ya know!:)
Sunshine
ATl, GA
Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:22:11 PM
IP: 12.13.176.70

Christine: <sorry ... just grabbed a year at random ... what's Detroit got to do with it?>
Super Bowl 2006 is in Detroit
FIre Storm
Saturday, January 25, 2003 09:29:21 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Fire Storm > sorry ... just grabbed a year at random ... what's Detroit got to do with it? All I know is that someone kindly pointed out to me that I spelled Michael Crichton's name wrong. Not surprised; I have characters named Creighton in the book I just finished.

Did mine eyes deceive me, or is Keith going to appear on CSI next week? Huzzah!
Christine
Saturday, January 25, 2003 09:26:51 PM
IP: 65.239.47.21

Another great day from what is left of Yugoslavia ;)

I just returned from the theatre and saw Formula 51. Action scenes were rather poor with those slow-mo and fast forwarded effects, but the humour was good, along with a few twists.

I do have soem questions, best answered by Ed and Silverbolt and maybe Todd as well. Is Liverpool as big a sh*thole as the movie shows it to be? It looks like Gary, Indiana on a bad day.

Todd> I thought the name of Boudicca may have been part of Celtic pride by Tom or Katherine.

Aaron> <<Little Richard would be a touch odd too, don't you think?>> Ay, tis true. On a note that you may enjoy and probably Robby even more so, my battle buddy, Aird (big anime fan who got me hooked on Sluggy Freelance) is buying stuff on the Antarctic Press website. Not too special, but good to know you guys are loved.

<<Well, yes, in part, but I'm also just opposed in principle to putting cameras everywhere so the government can scare us into behaving.>> You do know that when Ashcroft starts promoting gun control, the takeover is to begin, and it's time for a revolution, and to split the US into seven seperate mini-nations. New England, midwest, Plains States, Pacific Northwest, California, Southwest, and Southeast.

Bud-Clare> <<*snickers* I'm not saying anything... >> That could be a song, and compared to some of the stuff out there, a pretty tame one.

<<Up to episode 10 or so... When I watched 1-4, I thought it was funny, but when I rewatched them, I only thought that 3 was still funny, and out of 5-10, I only thought that one episode was funny, even the first time through. (I liked "Weird Love" and "Bowling Musume.")>> I've seen the first DVD. It was funny due to its on crack humor,a nd I have to thank my buddy Aird for introducing me to it ;)

<<You're evil.>> I guess that was mildly evil, but then again, my favorite character from Season 3 of Buffy was Mr. Trick, and the Mayor was #2, so maybe that reflect my brand of evil.

<<But you hate your mother...>> Well, she was named after her father's mother and I am also quite fond fo the name Mary Elizabeth. I don't know if hate is the best word. I am bitter and resentful towards her, and I consider her exces of emotions a sign of inferiority, but I have forgiven my father and I still e-mail my mother, though she was a bit presumptious expecting me to e-mail her n Chirstmas after she has ruined so many of mine.

And yet I can also be nice, sweet, and generous while I am so rotten towards my own mother, and yes I have been a horrible son. If I really hated her, I wouldn't take the time out to consider sending her an over-the-hill birthday e-card, now would I ;)

Dezi> <<My dad has a bottle of N. Korean soju, he's quite proud of it. I have no idea how he brought it stateside.>> Put it in a suitcase that won't be likely to be scanned and none would be the wiser. GIs tend to be trusted. Odd how he got it from North Korea, though. Maybe you mena South Korea.

<> It's the end of the world as we know it ;)

<<They and such longlived monuments are the ultimate statement and no human should ever be allowed to deprive the future of such a wonder. Any human that tries to should die. This is harsh, but he will at sometime anyway, at least minimalize his damage.>> Better way to put it than my original commentary. In fact, I wish we could convert Iraq into a UN archaeolgical preserve, for it ahs plenty of treasures, and owned by a paranoid genocidal fascist.

Imzadi> <<Yeah, GM should be shot 8-)>> I don't buy from UAW thugs so have at em :)

<<What if they believe they're lawful good? It's not like someone chooses their alignment, it just happens.>> We do choose what we do and our choices makes us what we are. And frankly, it doesn't matter what my subjective view of myself is, but how others will view me. If Jane Fonda thinks herslef a good person, I still consider her a damn traitor and I don't care how good she thinks herself.

<<God you're evil>> Evil is as evil does :)

<<Yeah...but I'd be in Kosovo. I only want to be in California.>> Those are the breaks in life.

<<Nixon...>> Nah! He was tricky dick, and frankly not much with the ladies.

<<Don't remind me. I got enough of that crap in high school. Besides, he was one of those loonies in the math department.>> When my Uncle went to Fordham, Castro took over Cuba and he took some semesters at Fordham, so the joke was told about Fidel. I somehow figured Jesuits may be responsible for inspiring Marxist bullshit. Good thing my Business school was full of anarcho-capitalists, libertarians, moderate Republicans, and a few token liberals that were still light years to the right of the school of Arts and Sciences, like one professor who jokingly described himself as a little left-wing, and he called Clinton what-his-name :)

<<my understanding that what he did does not qualify as a jihad or pogrom. He killed people who pissed him off for one reason or another.>> I just thought he was a technophobe with Enviornmental views to match Al Gore's.

Bud-Clar> <<(I'm being a bitch today. Sue me.)>> Sorry, but I don't think you're bitchy at all.

DPH> <<Good thing some people who live in Arkansas don't consider themselves Southerners. BTW, did my email to you get through?>> Neitehr do West Virginians, and Arkansas and W Virginia are the butts of most in-breeding jokes.

<<Actually, I believe in some of Fate so that somebody in the future could give an accurate count of the number of people saved on any day in the past. There is a pre-set number of people who will enter Heaven. Depending on your theology, after all is said and done, there are only so many people who entered heaven.>> No, I see of no pre-set number at all. Sure, God knows, but God does not decide for us, or have some special elect, He just knows what chocies we make, and it's doubtful we will have any idea what they are until we are in Purgatory and maybe then we may still have to wait until after the soul is steam cleaned.

<<The problem is the faith of the Dark Ages when the Catholic church was in charge>> That isn't your call to make. I doubt the Protestants were any better. John Calvin ruled Geneva with an iron fist and the German princes who sheltered Luther were not exactly a bunch of pristine choir boys. And well the Anabaptists were insane, so maybe God let them into Heaven out of pity.

The average European before or after the Reformation, regardless of if they were Catholic or Protestant probably had the same likelihood of salvation by the choices they made and the strength fo their faith.

The Church Hierarchy during the Rennaisance may have been corrupt but the average joe wasn't and there were still priests who were not part of the corrupt system, especially in Ireland, which really had no involvement in Church politics, except their monks preserved Western Civilization.

As for 10 million, I don't know. I would hope that many are in heaven by now, and as I believe in Purgatory, I hope at least 1,000 times that number are in both Heaven and Purgatory, but I have no theological insight nor any visionary gifts to know that for sure. If Mary pays me a visit, maybe I'll ask her.

Fire Storm> <<One word: Monica>> And I pity her.

Jaden> I don't know what to make of Kosovo's wather, but I could do without the wind.

You're comments on Soju sound right on with everything I've heard.

Tony Elliott> <<I was a Lutheran, but the denomination seemed out of touch with reality; so I switched to Elmbrook. I thought about membership, but I’m moving to a warmer climate in another year when I’m out of college.>>

I see that point. Where you Wisconsin Synod Lutheran? I don't see them really being out of touch with reality, unless you see them as lacking modernism, but I have some strong anti-contemporary and anti-modern tendencies.

I took a religion test and the _Protestant_ faith which most resembled my views was the Missouri Synod Lutheran one. I think second was Anglican.

<<This CR abounds with common sense! Why can’t I find this more in the real world!>> Thank you. Most people don't see me having much common sense. I'm glad to know I'm improving.

Greg X> <<Oh don't mind him. *Whispers: He's a Southern Baptist ;)>> And he's one of the better ones.

Fire Storm> <<US retaliates with a full nuclear strike powerful enough to turn Iraq into Lake America (Radiological danger! No swimming, No fishing. But stay and feel the glow! Get a tan at night!)>> I'd be truly disgusted with my country if we destroyed an archealogical preserve like that. I just want to liberate the Iraqi people from Sadaam, and then make certain the Sunnis aren't all killed in retaliation.

Youa nd DPH must have had it rough in HS. I loved De La salle immensely. It was grade school I hated :)

Kaioto> <<We have the Euro-American Imperialist Racists who are seeking to do violence on Iraq simply because it has Arabs and Moslems in it.>> In Europe, radical Islamists and whiet supremacists have made a sort of devil's baragin on their mutual hatred of the Jewish people.

Pat Buchanan is opposed to war with Iraq, btw.

<<Saddam also tried to have the current president's father assassinated. World Wars have started over less.>> Attempting to assinate a former head of state sounds like a decalration of war to me. Maybe not a world war, but a liscence to get your ass kicked.

Gabriel> <<fight with what resources they have: their bodies and lives. Everyone talks about how bad suicide bombing are and such, but what else do they have?>> To quote Golda Meir, they can prove they love their children more than they hate the Jews. Arafat was offered his stae, but instead responded with an intifada. The first thing the Palestinians can do is offer a bound Arafat to Sharon and beg for the mercy of Israel, especially Palestinian Christians who ahve done nothing to condemn the suicide bombings, and Christians have committed enough crimes against the Jewish people as it is.

<<while Muslims don't even have a Messianic concept and can just about use any tactics to spread Islam and set up their Theocracies.>> But the brand fo Islam that is so destructive is Wahabiism, which is as evil as Christian Puritansim. The Sufi Muslims are not the ones causing destruction or promoting it.

<> Well, those taht cower and cave to terrorists may get less short-term damage, but those who use terror will squeeze the ones they see as weak.

<<Mostly what I see going on is "Die, America, die!" not, "Die, Judeo-Christians-Hindus, die!">> Only because America is the immediate problem. Once America goes sharia, they will rsume the normal killing of Christians, Jews, Hindus, animists, pagans, atheists, Buddhists, and muslims who don't share their views.

<<I think the last attack I read about was almost seven months ago, and it was a group of anti-zionist muslims who were attacking Synagogues in responce to something Israel did (I haven't read the paper recently, so I could have missed out on an attack).>> anti-Zionsim strikes me as a politically correct way to be anti-semitic.

These actiosn are done and no reaction is given. Some Wahaabiist went up to a synagouge, shouted, "Allah is Great," and stabbed the rabbi. This was in Paris. Chirac does nothing. I hear nothing from the mayor and the Wahaabis are a direct threat to him.

Another fanatic settles in Antwerp, Belgium because he wishes to eliminate the Jewish community there which is one of the oldest in Europe.

The response by many Europeans is in teh form of Jean Marie Le Penn, Pim Fortuyn, who proves an interesting candidate because he is a homosexual fascist and was rightfully worried about his rights under a sharia Holland. Jorg Haider in Austria is another example, along with growing supprot for anti-immigrant groups in Europe that go beyond the support Pat Buchanan could ever hope to see in America.

<<Don't forget that the large majority of these Anti-Semetic uprisings were due in large part to the growing Muslim population in France>> No excuse. They have to behave by the laws of their adopted country. They feel alienated about laws against polygamy and female circumcison. Hopefully teh troublemakers are a small fraction of the immigrants, but the rest of th community si silent and so is the Government.

<<Last time I talked to a German, she told me that Germany does it's hardest to erase any left-over Nazism>> They do, but that's the old-school brand. skinheads are around and soem in fact adopt Palestinian garb to their outfits showing a mutual anti-semitism.

In Berlin, Jews were encouraged not to wear yarmulkes so they would not be targeted. They should be banding together and kicking ass.

BTW, if I can make it to G03, I'll room with you. There is talk now that the Finance team may replace us in May.

Dezi> <<Holy cow, I just snarled at Tom Brokaw while watching the news...I think I need to relax.>> Tom Brokaw deserves it ;) But emotions cloud judgment so best to relax and turn down the heart while turning up the brain.

<<Now don't tell me anyone of you wouldnt be the slightest bit worried if one of your parents were marching off to war.>> I want them marching with me, that's all. My cousin is a Combat Arms NCO (Cavlary) and he could very well be in the Gulf, so I got family and I'm godfather to his son.

Bush rescinded that weenie executive order against assasinations. I find them preferrable to war, though if we attempt to assasinate Sadaam and even if we succeed, they have the right to declare war on us, or cheer at Sadaam's death.

Actually they caould declare war on us if they want, for any reason, though the Ba'ath Party will be deader than the Republican Party in Massachusettes afterwards.

<<Other than that, I did have a vage hope of us having learned at least a little bit from the past or at least being a little more civilized than the middle ages.>> We are quite civilized. When we can get hijacked with box cutters, we prove too civilized and maybe we need to get a bit more medieval.

Tony Elliott> <<Green Baron or any other Christian here, would you consider God of our universe to be written into the Gargoyles universe?>> Why not? Greg was deliberately vague on this, basically saying that such a decision was up to you. The Supreme Being could be nothing for some, the God of Judeo-Christianity and Islam, Alan Greenspan, etc.

I personally doubt the fey are the highest power in that Universe.

<<I’ve never witnessed a miracle… except for child birth and getting accepted into college.>> Miracles are uncommon. Now giving birth to a live baby after having severe complications and what doctors thought is a miscarriage woudl qualify as a miracle, though only if the baby was completely unscathed.

Sometimes God does partial stuff, like one guy was blind and his vision was restored, so the alleged miracle was brought before the Vatican miracle inspectors and it was determined not to be a miracle because the vision restoration was only 90%. A good boon, but not a miracle.

<<Ah, my first legal beer! It doesn’t taste as good as when it was illegal.>> Well, at least you're not the type of nd that thinks alchohol is immoral. I myself don't drink, but that whole Cana miracle makes me wonder where alchohol is completely prohibited, like soem faiths believe.

Soem also believe gambling is a sin, and to that I say B-23 :)

Imzadi> <<And cause the world supply of oil to exhaust in half the time.>> Well, as the price of oil increases, alternatives will become more and more attractive. At the moment, Iraq's oil mainly goes to France, Germany, and Russia.

<<Ironically, French law (German too, perhaps) prohibits the sale of transfer of Nazi memorabilia.>> That's only one form of anti-semitism. Shaving your head and wearing a scarf with the Palestinian flag gets more subtlety points than a swatztika.

<<Kaddafi>> Don't forget he is now head of the UN Human Rights Commission. If I recall, Libya, Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, China, and Cuba are all members of the UN Human Rights Commission.

I guess with that logic President Bush will put his neice in charge of the DEA and Ted Kenendy will be a guest speaker for MADD :)

<> Penn went to Iraq to protest the possible war and Sadaam used it to claim Baghdad Sean was endorsing Sadaam.

Greg X> <<So, George W. and Dick Cheney in a tag-team match with Saddam Hussein and the North Korean guy... who wants to take bets?>> Cheney gets his buddy the Roc to sub for him, and the Roc just puts his elbow in Sadaam while Bush offers Kim Clinton's barber if he'll stop the nuke program and be a good little Stalinist.

Silvadel> Gore probably would be, though I thought he might pull a Clinton and launch a few missiles then look all victorious.

I do wonder how Gore, Lieberman, and Janet Reno would implement the US Patriot Act. Something tells me they'd be worse than Bush and Ashcroft. At least when Ashcroft starts endorsing gun control, you know what will happen, but it won't raise any eyebrows when Gore and Reno endorse it.

Niamhgold> That link won't work on my computer. Well, the game won't. I have a funnier link on my name that involves North Korea's dicator.

<<Because using oil for fuel and then having to find another alternative is like quitting smoking.>> It depends on alternatives. My mother is quite fond of her Toyota gas/electric hybrid. Granted I have no addiction to oil or gas guzzling cars.

Kaioto> <<Bah. He won the Cold War Lottery back when the Shah lost Iran. He's been enjoying the Bonus Round at the expense of the Iraqi people even since the Soviet Union collapsed.>> Then it's time we either took him out or dropped all complaints and restrictions, and do something really nasty to him , like making Jimmy Carter US Ambassador to Iraq :)

Durid> I remember your posts and I remember you going through AIT. So how is Army life? Are you active duty or weekend warrior?

Bud-Clare> <<I have an Emily-kitty sitting in my lap. Yay, kitty!

Ack... now I have a cat draped over my left arm, which makes typing rather challenging... She looks like she ought to be uncomfortable like that. *shrugs* Cats are weird. I miss my puppy.>>

I wish I had three cats vying for my attention. Attila was never that affectioante, except when he was younger.

Green Baron - [<--clickie clickie]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Saturday, January 25, 2003 06:51:57 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

Christine: <New fanfic now posted -- "Brothers,">
Loved the new fic except for one thing: It's one of your last :(
And Super Bowl 2006? Come on... can't Detroit get a single break?

Gside: <That isn't my school. It's just a random group of people who try to find the worst hentai has to offer. >
Well, that's ok then. At least they are searching just for the sake of finding horrible stuff and not enjoyment
<When it gets down to that, yes. IRC servers are very slow, and I doubt I'd get more than a couple gigs at the rate I free disk space.>
What ya';ll needs is a couple of 240GB drives!
<No, I wouldn't. but they're nothing special to save for later>
::FS grabs Gside's sketch book::
Missionary... missionary... missionary...
They need to experiment more!
<But you get out of the draft later. And you can get everything you want at Alice's Restaurant (except Alice).>
It's a movement that cares!
<I've heard rumors about cosplay porn>
Ew. Large men in Sailor Moon outfits having "lesbian sex" with a equally large man dressed as Sailor Mercury

Imzadi: <It was the whole "wake up early and run" thing that kept me away>
And the "you are sent where you aren't wanted and both sides try to shoot you" thing. A real deterrent, if you ask me.
<Those responsible have been sacked.>
Those responsible have been asked to burn a copy for the network admin
<Parallel?! Why god, why?>
It's how the kit came. Sucks, I know. I'll change that one day, though, when I design my own system. Probably network ready.

Details, details. I only said 405 because I forgot where route 666 was (Northwestern New Mexico)

And you call yourself an engineer...

Normal is a relative term. And don't forget that YOU wanted me to build you a robotic Demona love slave
FIre Storm
Saturday, January 25, 2003 05:47:34 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Kaioto: The company Jobs led while away from Apple was NEXT. Hence all the NSxxxxxxx (Next-Step) calls in Cocoa 8-)
Josh
Saturday, January 25, 2003 04:48:32 PM
IP: 64.170.154.228

Josh >

Nope, Windows has yet to show me anything even close to OSX's columnated view. I believe Steve Jobs brought the model back from that other OS project he was working on while away from Apple. I forget the name.

I'm a Web developer on a floor full of Graphical Art designers and their Mac OS9 workstations. That is why I'm one of the lead lab-monkeys on the floor for OSX, that and I actually know how to use the BSD shell under it somewhat.

Eh, I haven't felt so apathetic about a SuperBowl in years. I'm basically rooting for the Raiders to lose. And yet, I don't want Johnson to walk away with a SuperBowl ring, either. I'd really like it if the team could swap Rice for Johnson and then the bulk of the people I want never to win a Super Bowl ever would be on the Raiders.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Saturday, January 25, 2003 04:40:16 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

GRRRRRRRR! Rant Warning!!!!!!****************
UCF=U Can’t Finish!!!! They are making sure of that. Now I have to take three more classes to graduate!!!!!!! One is a class I HAVE to have and the other can be upper level ANYTHING “You can even take Basket Weaving” My advisor said…Why didn’t they mention this the last time I was getting advice???Oh well I’ll see if they are going to offer the Tolkien class again and or see if they have the following: Sci-fi writing and Adv Script Writing. They offered them before…maybe I’ll even take another art class.
****************End Rant***********************************
Holy heck it got Real cold here. Dropped below 28 degrees all of Central Florida was under a freeze warning and on Friday morning in the counties of Brevard and Volusia there was snow.
They were tiny little white specks, and you can only see them when they collect on dark clothing but still…Just say the words “Snow in Florida” It doesn’t sound right does it?

Back to focusing on what is important Writing Fanfics, writing fics for class, reading fan fiction and critiquing fics for class

DPH<<<Yes, it's official. I've conceded defeat on being a moralist UNTIL I get all my affairs in order>>>Ah we corrupted you didn’t we?

Gside<<<And why one?>>>Because that would lead me to think he wasn’t put together right. Of course this is Firestorm…<<<It is a rather popular one.>>>I believe that was on the list of top ten hottest costumes for a woman by Wayne’s world…Along with Cat girl, French Maid, Nurse, and playboy bunny.

Christine<<<Judge rules that X-Men aren't human >>>>All part of the beauty that is corporate America.

Patrick<<<Saddam strikes me as a guy who just can't win>>>And we don’t want him too<<<Specifically, let's figure out why it's so danged cold here.>>>It’s the Midwest and it’s winter.<<>>Don’t look at us Floridians. It’s been cold here.

Firestorm<<<Well, I can tell you, but it won't necessarily be true>>>YIKES!

Josh<<<There are 40 students in the class, and how many books did they order? 8!>>>Sounds like University math.<<>>I felt bad for both<<<How'd you like that gratuitous placement of the Daily Planet?>>>I liked it.<<<Okay. you don't get nude in public.>>>Keep that up and no chocolate for you.<<<Why would they do that? >>>Because technically our classroom is a closet<<<It helps if the chick is hot.>>>And Lilah is a hot chick?<<<so he switched to the dark side>>>Microsoft?

20.”To those of us whos lives had been hidden from society, from those we love, from our lives we join in solidarity to those of us who resisted isolation and stood up to fear, we give heartfelt admiration. For those of us who courageously, joyfully burst into the fullness of our identities, we offer gratitude and blessing.” ~Molly Fumia.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, January 25, 2003 03:41:34 PM
IP: 67.24.95.136

NC-17 and R - The gap seems to become narrower every year. R can have sexual situations, but isn't graphically detailed or explicit. The line fuzzes a bit at hard R and soft core sex tends to be acceptable in R material, think romance novel sex.

NC-17 is usually more detailed and explicit sex or very strange violence (something with an extra twist or kink). Extreme violence seems to be acceptable in R material, but extreme sex is always NC-17.

Mooncat

>^,,^<
Saturday, January 25, 2003 03:18:19 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Minor scare today when I thought my humanities class might not cover the requirement (it has to be in a very SMALL list of classes for me to get credit). Fortunately, it made the list and all is well. Last advisor will send his letters of recommendation to law school, and those applications will be finished as soon as my friend reads my essay.

Wolf: <<6 USB 2.0 ports and 2 firewire ports>>: Sweet. Sometimes I wish I had USB 2.0 ports, but I really don't need them for anything. <<they are giving him a copy of Window XP so he can be unhappy right away with the ram>>: LOL!

Kaioto: <<I'm talking about the columnated view>>: I know. Didn't Apple steal that from Windows? <<it is strictly a matter of software support>>: Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm sure eventually I'll need a box to run side-by-side with my mac...and I hate it. <>: What do you do? <>: They never have before, why start now? <>: Best of luck with that. My flat screen weighs 20 lbs and the ADC cable is as thick as my finger.

Sunshineangel: NC-17 is usually for graphic sex, esp. penetration (i.e. porn).

Bud-Clare: <<Cats are weird>>: I love cats. But then, I'm weird, so I guess it makes sense. <<Not as much as you think, I think>>: You'd be amazed at what the human body can do. Probably scared, too. <<Alliteration should only be used very carefully, and in moderation>>: True. But that was the only one. <<I'll let it go this time, then>>: What happens next time. <<unlike some of the other hideous colors that computers can be>>: the fruit flavored iMacs come to mind. As do flower power and blue dalmatian. God, I wish I had some of whatever they were smoking that day! <<don't ever call me that again>>: Call you what? <<You poor bastard>>: Yup! <<The problems seemed to start with my wireless adapter>>: Could be. Remember that when 98 came out, there was very little 802.11 in use. Do you have SE? <<how about having to address people as "sir", no matter how stupid they are? Some of us have a perfectly good ego problem to consider>>: No, I went to college. I know all about pretending to have respect for people that don't deserve it. <<some of us can know how stuff works without feeling manly>>: Didn't say anything about that.

What am I still doing awake?

106. If my supreme command center comes under attack, I will immediately flee to safety in my prepared escape pod and direct the defenses from there. I will not wait until the troops break into my inner sanctum to attempt this.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, January 25, 2003 06:23:29 AM
IP: 64.161.25.233

I have an Emily-kitty sitting in my lap. Yay, kitty!

Ack... now I have a cat draped over my left arm, which makes typing rather challenging... She looks like she ought to be uncomfortable like that. *shrugs* Cats are weird. I miss my puppy.

Niamhgold> <<My parents just informed me that they woke up this morning to the snappy temperature of -34 below.>>
And I'm guesing that they _don't_ live in Alaska... Brr.

Fire Storm> <<And since it is a parallel port,>>
*eyes light up* Ooo, parallel ports and C... I have fond memories.

Gside> <<Just saying you can stretch, not that it would be a generally pleasant experience.>>
Not as much as you think, I think. *shudders*

Josh> <<Why was it stupid?>>
Alliteration should only be used very carefully, and in moderation. :P

<<Which version?>>
98.

<>
I'll let it go this time, then.

<<Are you saying (and you're a chick, so I have to defer to you) that nothing clashes with beige? Beige would not look as good in my black room as white or silver would, even if it doesn't officially clash.>>
That's the point. It may not look wonderful in all situations, but it doesn't actually clash, unlike some of the other hideous colors that computers can be. And don't ever call me that again. I may be against killing, but I'm not averse to a little castration now and then. :P

<>
You poor bastard.

<<And does it run all the latest software? And how many re-installations of windows have you done?>>
Er... define "latest." I've never been unable to install anything, but I'm sure there is software that my computer can't run... I just don't want any of it anyway. I've never reinstalled windows, but I probably need to now. (What I said was not entirely accurate... I wasn't having serious problems with my 'puter until about a month ago. Now it's getting very wonking and I may end up reinstalling. (The problems seemed to start with my wireless adapter, but it's windows, so it's hard to be sure.))

<<It was the whole "wake up early and run" thing that kept me away.>>
And how about having to address people as "sir", no matter how stupid they are? Some of us have a perfectly good ego problem to consider. ;)

<>
And some of us can know how stuff works without feeling manly...

<<Bullets are bullets.>>
*has mental image of some lackey trying to smash the wrong size of bullet into a gun*
*snickers*
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, January 25, 2003 04:14:26 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Hi Guys! Just a question. What's the difference between rated R and NC-17? Is it in rated R you can have sex but NC-17 means incest-17 or necrophiliac-17? Clarification please. (That was pretty harsh but you get the picture.^_^)
Sunshineangel
Atlanta, GA, USA
Saturday, January 25, 2003 03:31:48 AM
IP: 12.13.176.70

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Lynati
Saturday, January 25, 2003 01:43:10 AM
IP: 66.140.73.223

dead

o.o

-.-

o.o
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Saturday, January 25, 2003 01:29:58 AM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Well Met Du-rid -- While I do not remember you in particular, I do remember that icon being used in the past.

silvadel
Friday, January 24, 2003 07:53:30 PM
IP: 208.59.133.50

Josh >

Regarding the horizontal file-structure, I'm not refering to the "flippy triangles" structure that mimics that Explorer "+" "-" boxes and lists in directories.

I'm talking about the columnated view. The Mac directory navigation windows in OSX have a toolbar with a 3-button "View" segement. Icon View, List View, and Columnated View. Icon View is self-explanatory. List view is "flippy triangles." But Columnated View (the one furthest to the right) actually gives you a series of internally navigable columns that display the directory content on the "parent" directory to their left. It has proved extremely useful to me at work, so it is my default view now.

As for why I didn't buy a Mac, it is strictly a matter of software support. I'm looking at learning the .Net architecture for skill-building, so I needed Office XP. I also wanted to play a couple of very specific games that do not run on the Mac.

For serious business purposes, I have a Jaguar machine at the office anyway,

Anyway, I made my return yesterday and made my new purchase. I returned my HP Pavillion 500 series model to the store and wound up buying a HP Pavillion 700 series model directly from HP off their Web site.

Oddly enough, I could have made the same order through the retail store at the same price from HP, due to their partnership with HP, but after all the crap I went through the first time, I decided they didn't deserver the commission.

I like their tech center people, and they are HP certified to fix my machine even if I didn't buy it through their store, but their sales and customer services policies are crappy.

I decided against a Dell after they rearranged some of their inventory on their site overnight. Suddenly they weren't offereing the TI 4200 anymore. If I wanted 128MB, I had to go with a lesser Radeon Tx or shell out mucho cash for the top of the line Radeon Pro (the $400 model). So I went over to HP and got the 700 model with an AMD processor. Not having to waste my money on a badly-built Intel P4 chip was a bonus.

I don't honestly believe Intel has bothered to make up the performance gap between their P4 and the AMD XP+. 1.7 Ghz AMD chips where out performing 2.0 P4 chips last time I checked.

End specs:
AMD 2.0Ghz Processor
256 RAM, upgradeable to 1Gig
Windows XP Home Edition
MS Office Small Business Edition
CD-RW
Nvidia GeForce 4 128MB Ti 4200 Graphics Card
40 GB Hard Drive

Final Price: $809.00

That made me happy.

Now I just have to resist the urge to go out and get one of those flat-panel displays. I just keep telling myself it isn't worth it because the kittens will inevitably knock anything that doesn't weight 6,000 lbs and isn't shaped like a cube off the desk and/or chew threw the wiring. Sigh.

Patrick > Re: Saddam can't win

Bah. He won the Cold War Lottery back when the Shah lost Iran. He's been enjoying the Bonus Round at the expense of the Iraqi people even since the Soviet Union collapsed.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Friday, January 24, 2003 10:34:19 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

New fanfic now posted -- "Brothers," a Gabriel and Angus story. Along with some notes about my future fanfic plans, now that I'm nearing the 100-mark. Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, January 24, 2003 10:07:51 AM
IP: 65.239.13.41

Gside> <SE TEC ASTRONOMY> I just saw STAR SET ECONOMY.

Oh well night all!
Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Friday, January 24, 2003 06:10:28 AM
IP: 12.231.54.183

Got a fun link from a friend. I know it's been posted before but now it's twice as easy to find.
http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

Thanks to Kaioto, Josh and Niamhgold for the PC feedback.

Niamhgold> Hi. I see you beat me to the link. I'll put it up anyway cause I know ppl are lazy. <Didn't mention firewire, though...is there at least UB 2.0?> 6 USB 2.0 ports and 2 firewire ports. <a CD-RW or combo DVD/CDRW drive?> No just a DVD-rom drive. He has a spare CD-RW. <graphics card> He has a card to manipulate cable tv amoung other things. It does have s-video in and out. It's good not great but good. Also there is a 30 GB hard drive. Oh and they are giving him a copy of Window XP so he can be unhappy right away with the ram. ;)

Gside> I glanced at your twisted text but I need sleep so next time I'll get it. I hope you aren't seting me up for dissapointment.

DPH> <mind if I share> Feel free.

Everyone else> Zzzzzzzzz....
Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Friday, January 24, 2003 06:08:18 AM
IP: 12.231.54.183

Woohoo! My law school statement is finished. Sending it out for comments now, gotta mail it out by next week.

My engineering programming prof said that we should bring laptops to class if we have them. 22 people, 2 mac users...I think we're gonna stand out like sore thumbs. Turns out the prof used to be a mac user until Matlab wasn't supported for mac, so he switched to the dark side. Then they came out with a version for OS X. I imagine he'll switch back soon. That class is cool, we're gonna learn Java, XML, C, Fortran, and OOP. Then I will be leet, so you must give me warez.

Finite element professor was a civil engineering grad from Berkeley, so he's gonna bend the class more towards that than MechE. That's nice because it means I don't have to worry about crap I don't care about, and all the examples are related to stuff I already know about.

Lastly, the humanities class on renaissance engineers. Filled with non-engineers who don't know the material differences between wood and stone. Those lectures will be fun.

Bud-Clare: <<Is this your idea of a hobby?>>: He's deeply disturbed. <<Stupid alliteration>>: Why was it stupid? <<Right. You try it, then>>: I'd pay to see that. No, not goatse. <<96, thank you very much>>: Which version? <<Can't you go five minutes without making pointless comparisons?>>: Most likely. <<what the hell is "you would" supposed to mean?>>: I have no idea, I just said that randomly. <<It's a neutral color>>: Are you saying (and you're a chick, so I have to defer to you) that nothing clashes with beige? Beige would not look as good in my black room as white or silver would, even if it doesn't officially clash. <<It's the enjoying sex with damn near anyone that's the problem>>: I don't get it. But then, I'm a guy. <<Or stretched, in this case>>: Right, that. <<Not as smoothly, but close enough>>: And does it run all the latest software? And how many re-installations of windows have you done?

Kaioto: <<The iMedia suite is worth it>>: Now its called iLife 8-) <<OSX does offer one tangible feature>>: Now that I've had time to think about it, there really are a lot of features that OS X has that Windows doesn't, but most aren't that important. It has built-in *good* handwriting recognition, for one. But who uses Ink? <<The horizontal file-navigation in the windowed interface is absolutely brilliant>>: I thought they stole that from Windows! <<integrated PDF technology>>: This is really a sweet feature, one that is useful and impresses people. EVERYTHING is a PDF in OS X. No Adobe crap needed for printing or converting or writing PDF's. It's great. <<The only thing Windows has going for it is software development by third parties>>: True. <<going over to Dell>>: Just out of curiosity, why not a mac? You certainly seem to like OS X. You might not get a GeForce 4Ti AND 2.4 GHz processor, but that certainly sounds like a $2000 system, no?

Patrick: <<Anything to keep from having to hear a boy band sing>>: Have you heard Lewis Black's rant on last year's halftime show? <>: Must be in the other part of CA. It was only 60 here today.

Niamhgold: <<I'm getting paid to help *other* people apply for internships>>: Hopefully you have time to complete your own...as well as a fair idea of the competition ;-) <<coverletters coming out of the wazoo>>: The papercuts must be awful. <<fuzzy wool underwear>>: Sounds itchy. <>: It would heat up your apartment! <>: Yeah but by the time you told her that you weren't either 8-) <<He unfolds into a 20-foot transformer>>: LOL! And its 70 feet 8-) <<I'd want to put THAT on my resume>>: Its a good objective. Shows ambition. <<I've restrained myself from touching mine>>: That surprises me. <<what's wrong with a good box? ;)>>: Hard to find one these days. <<Spent your whole time looking for the Pro Shop?>>: Yeah, that. <<Especially when in the context of things like Tunnel of Fudge>>: Everyone loved it, BTW.

Fire Storm: <<That's why I am not in the army>>: That's it? <<and wanting to stay home>>: It was the whole "wake up early and run" thing that kept me away. <<Who has been transferring 15GB a day on this server?>>: Those responsible have been sacked. <<since it is a parallel port, I can't use a Mac anyway>>: Parallel?! Why god, why? <>: i was saying that you confused them. By a lot. <<are you telling me that you never took apart a TV when you were younger just to see it's insides? Never took apart your laptop to see how they organized everything?>>: I once took apart a TV for the purpose of moving it out of apartment piece by piece to lighten the load. Never took apart my laptop. Those are expensive. I once took apart an electronic dictionary for fun, but that's it. I feel manly just knowing HOW my stuff works.

Gside: <<not having a standard weapon would make supplying your troops a headache>>: Bullets are bullets. <<I'd say catgirls outrank cyborgs>>: I am the only normal person in here, I swear. <<Nothing like a cold girl on a warm night.>>: I recommend warm girls on cold nights. They feel better.

Off to sleep. No class tomorrow, but we're going to pump iron.

105. I will design all doomsday machines myself. If I must hire a mad scientist to assist me, I will make sure that he is sufficiently twisted to never regret his evil ways and seek to undo the damage he's caused.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, January 24, 2003 03:55:37 AM
IP: 64.170.153.231

Firestorm: There are 2 URLs for Avalon Mists.
http://avmists.gargoyles-fans.org/
Which has Spring 2002 and links to everything before it.
http://www.tenament.com/stephenrs/amists/index.html
Which is the latest Summer 2002 issue.
I'd link them if the CR supported HTML. :\ Just highlight and copy one of the links then paste them in the 'Open'(Ctrl+O) box.
Aria_The_Insane
Friday, January 24, 2003 03:48:03 AM
IP: 216.113.222.48

Imzadi> <<Weirdo>>: Yea verily.
<<Am I the only one that doesn't need to foolishly tinker with expensive equipment to prove my manliness?>>: Yes.
<<What if they bring their own guns?>>: I don't think they could get you on any related charges, but not having a standard weapon would make supplying your troops a headache.

Bud Clare> <<You try it, then>>: Just saying you can stretch, not that it would be a generally pleasant experience.

Niamhgold> <<As is the cyborg-vixen one>>: I'd say catgirls outrank cyborgs.
<<something about a cold, unfeeling, babelicious machine>>: Nothing like a cold girl on a warm night.

Fire Storm> <<Which would mean that someone in your school actually sought that image out>>: That isn't my school. It's just a random group of people who try to find the worst hentai has to offer.
<<Who has been transferring 15GB a day on this server?>>: When it gets down to that, yes. IRC servers are very slow, and I doubt I'd get more than a couple gigs at the rate I free disk space.
<>: No, I wouldn't. but they're nothing special to save for later.
<<Interesting how they did that in the movie, eh?>>: I enjoyed it.
<<it does if you eat at Alice's Restaurant>>: But you get out of the draft later. And you can get everything you want at Alice's Restaurant (except Alice).
<<fursuit porn is like cosplay sex>>: I've heard rumors about cosplay porn.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, January 24, 2003 01:28:07 AM
IP: 198.151.130.246

Dezi: <Yeah, but what I'm most nervous about isn't direct combat, but rather Persian Gulf Syndrome II>
Yeah, that could be a problem. That's why I am not in the army.
Well, that... and wanting to stay home

My war questions:
Hey! Let's start betting on this coming up war!
Pool 1: How long will the war last?
A week, which is 3.5x his previous
Pool 2: Will nuclear weapons of any kind be used?
Hell yes. (Bush, not Saddam. Saddam is smart enough not to use him, but Bush is like a kid in the toy store: He wants to play with all the toys)
Pool 2A: For the bomb bonus, pinpoint where and how powerfull the FIRST strike is.
First nuclear: Bunker buster outside of Baghdad
Pool 3: Will Saddam still be in power after the war?
Unfortunately

Gside: <It all depends on whether someone posts an example on the Ecchi Attack message boards.>
Which would mean that someone in your school actually sought that image out
<You don't care enough about bits in that situation.>
Not yet, anyway. Maybe one day.
<Since I'm low on room, and there a a good couple gigs I want to get, I must burn. Direct connect is well over 2TB shared. I'm excited.>
Yum!

Admin: Who has been transferring 15GB a day on this server?

Well, I didn't think you would sketch them in sex positions!
<SE TEC ASTRONOMY>
Interesting how they did that in the movie, eh?

Imzadi: <Did it take that long last time?>
From the start of the air campaign: A few weeks
From the start of the ground war: 96 hours
<Those don't get jail time>
Well, it does if you eat at Alice's Restaurant
<How would that make him more of a freak than straight furry porn?>
There is nothing wrong with furry porn, but fursuit porn is like cosplay sex... and that's just wrong!
<Oh...nevermind then 8-) Well, since you wrote it, any interface that works for you is "nice". But not necessarily marketable>
Yeah. I want a nice one though. And since it is a parallel port, I can't use a Mac anyway. One of these days, I will order that USB chip and/or that TCP/IP chip and make it web compatible
<Except that the 405 is in southern california and the 80 is 400 miles north of it!>
I never said it would be a easy trip!
<Can you be charged with war crimes if war isn't declared?>
They will find a way
<Call me when you've built in handles to make it easier to carry, and an screwless access door that swings down (not to the side) for full access to all components>
Ah, I can buy that case on-line. Many new cases are lanparty friendly
<If we turn the whole area into glass, it'll make a fine parking lot for EuroDisney>
For both of it's attendees
<You had a senior will?>
Yeah, it's a tradition at my school
<Weirdo. Am I the only one that doesn't need to foolishly tinker with expensive equipment to prove my manliness?>
Yes. :)
Come on... are you telling me that you never took apart a TV when you were younger just to see it's insides? Never took apart your laptop to see how they organized everything?

Spacebabie: <Please tell me you don’t get nude in public.>
Well, I can tell you, but it won't necessarily be true

The worst thing Bush could do:
"...with just 30 seconds left on the clock, both teams tied..."
"We interrupt the Super bowl for a message from the President of the United States"
Fire Storm
Thursday, January 23, 2003 07:31:55 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

**Niamhgold enters**

Well, I'm on the job in the print lab today, so I thought I'd post quickly. Not too much on the coming "war" thingy (I'm getting enough exposure to it through all the soft-core protesters here at MICA), except that my friend sent me a funny link. Clicky my name or go to: http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

School is...school. It's internship applications, and at the same time I'm getting paid to help *other* people apply for internships. I've got coverletters coming out of the wazoo! ;) Plus, I coerced the tech department to loan me a tablet to use throughout the semester in the studios (which are, sadly, lacking graphic tablets despite the number of Photoshop artists at our school). It's nice, and alleviates the tendinitis pain I tend to get during my 3D Max studio.

Heh. Boy, I stink at 3D art ;) So I'm concentrating a 2D animation on an adaptation of Vonnegut's "The Euphio Question". Anyone else familiar with the piece?

It's also cold here. -13 with wind chill today; plus, the heat and hot water are on the fritz. Thank goodness for heating blankets and fuzzy wool underwear! ;)

Winterwolf: Nice to see you around, big guy. <$600 spent for an Intel P4 2.4 GHz, 533MHz bus, 256MB PC1066 RDRAM (he's planning to add more soon), GeForce4 MX Video Card (which will be swapped with a new card he just got and was upset that it didn't work well in his old P3 400 computer), and other basic stuff (dvd, sound card,). I think he could have done a bit better... > I'd agree, a bit. The geforce MX isn't bad, but it depends on the capabilities. From my experience, MX provides s-video out but not in, which I tend to like both. The p4 processor, no matter what the speed, is still a p4, and I tend to hate those suckers ;) But it's still a good price for that particular machine. I think he could have found 512 RAM for about the same price, but it depends the market/area/combo. Didn't mention firewire, though...is there at least UB 2.0? Also, is there a CD-RW or combo DVD/CDRW drive? <You're just upset cause your not getting any ;P> Hehe. I use that on my roomie ;)

Greg: <Though you know, that idea really appeals to me> I think that idea appeals to everyone ;) <who wants to take bets?> The North Korean guy. He unfolds into a 20-foot transformer ;)

Hyperion: <And this is a bad thing...why?> Because using oil for fuel and then having to find another alternative is like quitting smoking. You try everything--drinking water, eating more, chewing gum, patches, smoking those cigarete-alternative-thingies--but you still go straight back to the damn cigarette ;) <He's a megalomaniacal tyrant who would rather go down with a pyre of burning cities> Whoo! I'd want to put THAT on my resume ;)

Gside: <The thing about boring beige ATX cases is that they then become your own (or your brother's) blank canvases> Thankfully, I've restrained myself from touching mine. Contrasts nicely with everything I HAVE used as a canvas ;) <It is a rather popular one.> As is the cyborg-vixen one. something about a cold, unfeeling, babelicious machine... <

Imzadi: <But no matter what you do to it, its still just a box> And what's wrong with a good box? ;) <There are 40 students in the class, and how many books did they order? 8!> Well, that sucks. Opposite with my hypertext class--25 signed up, so the store ordered 30, and now people have dropped so that there are only eight left. And the other seven then tried to claim that the store had "run out of books." Bwahahahaha! <If only you knew what I did over winter break... > Spent your whole time looking for the Pro Shop? Definitely not XP. 98 you can get away with, 2000...eh, it's pretty OK. But not XP ;) <Chocolate is superior!> Especially when in the context of things like Tunnel of Fudge.

Patrick: <Specifically, let's figure out why it's so danged cold here. 2 degrees at 7 AM... "high" temperature of 20 today.> My parents just informed me that they woke up this morning to the snappy temperature of -34 below.

Back to work.

Niamhgold
Thursday, January 23, 2003 06:05:58 PM
IP: 206.41.203.189

My luck to be away from my high speed home connection, working out of a different office and living out of a hotel all week... I miss all the political debating. Oh wait... maybe that isn't a bad thing after all. :P

Saddam strikes me as a guy who just can't win. When he doesn't let the inspectors in, Bush says he's bad for not complying with the U.N. and we need to attack him. When he does let the inspectors in, Bush says he's only doing so because he already hid the stuff and we still need to attack him. I guess that's a classic Texas coin toss for Bush... heads I win, tails you lose. But hey... a ground war will at least be an interesting halftime show for the Super Bowl. Anything to keep from having to hear a boy band sing.

Anyway... enough about the mideast. Let's talk about the midwest instead. Specifically, let's figure out why it's so danged cold here. 2 degrees at 7 AM... "high" temperature of 20 today. What's the deal here anyway? I bet it's those greedy Californians, hoarding all the heat as part of some diabolical plot. Yeah... that's the ticket.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:54:04 PM
IP: 12.109.97.109

Josh> Re: "I wouldn't run Windows on 256Megs of Ram"

I don't really know about the 256 RAM thing with Windows XP. You really shouldn't see any performance difference on the fundamentals of the XP Home Edition OS between 256, 512, or 1 Gig.

I suppose it depends on how heavily you want to indulge in Multi-media, gaming, or high-end graphical development applications beyond the OS.

For gaming, you shouldn't be worrying as much about the system. Who the heck uses integrated graphics these days? I'd be more concerned about the RAM on the graphics card and bus speed at that point. You can shove a Gig of memory into your machine, it won't change the fact the your maximum performance of your games will cap out on your card's specs.

If your interest is multi-media, you have no business buying a Windows machine anyway. Bite the bullet and by an OSX Mac. The iMedia suite is worth it.

If you are doing extremely high-end 3-D imagining or other crazy crap that you'd rather take care of on NASA's machines, I'd recommend looking at Sun. They were really pushing the low-cost, high-end developer systems a couple of years ago, like the Blade system.

Beyond that, OSX does offer one tangible feature I haven't found on any other mainstream retail OS (I'm counting my experiences with Windows, Solaris, Red Hat, Mandrake, and SuZe Linux). The horizontal file-navigation in the windowed interface is absolutely brilliant. I also like the iMedia suite, the Aqua interface, the integrated PDF technology, and the BSD shell underneath it.

You can't get a better GUI, IMO, from any of the other retail brands. Windows comes closest, but won't give you access to the power of *nix. The *nix systems won't give you as stable and friendly a UI.

The only thing Windows has going for it is software development by third parties.

For myself, I'm returning the system I bought from a retail store. They gave me too much of a hassel trying to get my system together and they tried to pull a bait-and-switch on my graphics card. I'm fed up with them. I paid the store mark-up by balancing it out with on-site services. Their service disappointed, so I'm getting a refund and going over to Dell.

Returning:

2.0 Ghz Intel Celeron Processor w/
CD RW drive
40 GB HD
Unusable Nvidia GeForce 4 128Mbs DDR RAM Ti4200 Graphics card
256 MB RAM
Windows XP Home
MS Office Small Business Edition

Purchasing:
Intel Pentium 2.4 Ghz Processor w/
CD RW drive
40 GB HD
Installed Nvidia GeForce4 128Mbs DDR RAM Ti 4200 Graphics card
512 MB RAM
Windows XP Home
MS Office Small Business Edition

And it won't cost me an extra dime.

I guess it is a good thing these folks gave me a hard time. Now I'm getting a better deal and they're getting nothing. Works for me.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:21:31 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

****Fades out of the shadows and appears before you "Blessed be! Anyone still remembver me?***

TGS CR suggestion.

-For the Archive, why don't you list when the TGS stories were published?

***Fades back into the shadows.***
Dur-id The Druid
MN, USA
Thursday, January 23, 2003 09:46:57 AM
IP: 63.143.93.2

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Thursday, January 23, 2003 05:21:04 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

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Thursday, January 23, 2003 05:11:16 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

DPH> <<Studying any journals that surived from that period.>>
...Is this your idea of a hobby? Because it's really pathetic, not to mention presumptuous and pointless. (D'oh! Stupid alliteration.) This isn't like counting jelly beans in a jar, for crying out loud.

Gside> <<You do have a good bit of stretchiness on your side.>>
*snorts* Right. You try it, then.

Josh> <>
*snickers* 96, thank you very much.

<<You would! Chocolate is superior!>>
Who said anything about chocolate? Can't you go five minutes without making pointless comparisons? And what the hell is "you would" supposed to mean?

<<Uh...beige would usually clash with any decor.>>
It's a neutral color. Please explore the definition of "neutral".

<>
Actually... I wasn't. I was just being thorough.

<>
Being a slut has nothing to do with enjoying sex. It's the enjoying sex with damn near anyone that's the problem.

<<Laws of physics are never broken>>
Just bent beyond all recognition... Or stretched, in this case. *shudders*

<<Are you telling me that your computer has gone through no massive hardware upgrades and it still runs as smoothly as the day it came out of the box?>>
Not as smoothly, but close enough.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, January 23, 2003 03:36:16 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Commander M: A whole bunch of new TGS series are in development pretty much at the same time. 'Bad Guys' and 'Pendragon' will probably see the light of day first. 'Gargoyles' is on its way as well though.
Ed
Thursday, January 23, 2003 03:23:04 AM
IP: 131.111.8.96

Woot! No classes today. Still had to walk to the other side of campus to run errands, one of which was pick up a book that wasn't in stock. There are 40 students in the class, and how many books did they order? 8!

Winterwolf: <<Anyone have any comments?>>: Sounds like a fine deal to me. Tell him to have fun with .dll's 8-) <<I'm getting what I want so if I seem laid back at times I can understand that perception>>: That sounds so wrong coming from you. <<You're just upset cause your not getting any>>: If only you knew what I did over winter break... <<The California crunch really is the result of not enough power to power the power of generating plants>>: Fortunately, I worked for GE so I know better 8-)

Kaioto: <<the Holy Grail isn't flatly defined as the Cup of Christ like it was in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade">>: But what else would it be? <<Shipped me a PCI slot model on my recent purchase. I guess I'll have to settle for the Nvidia 64MB DDR card instead of the 128 card I wanted>>: I hear the ATI PCI cards are pretty sweet. I'm using a 32MB 7000 myself, but I think they make a 64MB version. <<It doesn't really merit a RAM extension of Graphics card upgrade for at least 6 months, unless the user is doing something more system-intensive on it than online gaming>>: Are you kidding me!? I would not run windows with only 256 megs of ram. <<doubling-up on everything isn't going to lead to even a 50% increase in performance>>: Ah, finally people start to understand: twice the number does not equal twice the power 8-) <<you should be running OSX or Redhat 8>>: I would not consider either of these cutting-edge technology. Apple's hardware may be, but aside from stability and true plug-and-play OS X offers no *tangible* "features" that other OS's don't have. And there are better Linuxes as well 8-)

Greg X: <<they think "American Idol" is more important>>: Only because it gets higher ratings. <<I'm not going to Iraq just because Bush wants to show the world how big his tiny dick is>>: I don't think he's compensating here. I think he's going to Iraq to cover up 300 million civil rights violations he's about to inflict. <<pardon my ignorance>>: Okay, this time. <<he's not invited to the cook out I have planned at the Lake of Fire... reminds me, I'd better send out the invitations>>: Do I have to RSVP or can I just show up? Cuz I'm not sure if I'll be available that day.

Gabriel: <<they'll challenge Bush to a game of scarbble>>: With the same spelling 8-)

Hyperion: <<That’s ten 120 GB hot swappable drives in a RAID 5 array.>>: That sounds expensive. What was the final tag? <<How about the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand, July 28, 1914?>>: Ah, yes. My bad. But my point still stands 8-) Wars have NOT started over less 8-) <<this is a bad thing...why?>>: Because we're not ready for it 8-) <<no one says the kamikaze were bad or wrong. In fact, they're lauded as heroic>>: That was a suicide bombing in war, and the "victims" were enemy soldier. Such is expected. No civilians died. <<academic elite has tried to discredit>>: As a member of this group, I denounce any such silliness. Force is not only necessary, its fun! <<How many fewer would have died if they had ended the war when Germany annexed the Sudentenland?>>: Starting with Poland might have been a better idea, since that started the war ;-) <<We, and the world, have forgotten them, but it is time they remembered>>: Good comments.

Spacebabie: <<God I feel sorry for that poor girl>>: I feel bad for the teacher. <<Clark Kent’s first heroic deed in Metropolis>>: How'd you like that gratuitous placement of the Daily Planet? <<Lionel Luthor had Kryptonite in his vault and a file on Clark>>: My friend asked me where the money was. I said "do you think Lionel is an idiot? The money is in banks!" <<Please tell me you don’t get nude in public>>: Okay. you don't get nude in public. <>: Why would they do that? <<Remember sometimes it is the bitch wolf that is more deadly>>: Yes but not in this context. <<So you like the naughty schoolgirl look>>: It helps if the chick is hot. <<Supporting evil and yet you are still not a Republican>>: Yes, he is. He just doesn't make enough money yet.

Commander: Never. There WAS NO SEASON 4 of Gargoyles.

Question: Never.

Bud-Clare: <>: You would! Chocolate is superior! <<Not that I'd know anything about that>>: I feel your pain. My friend and I were often in trouble for wearing shirts that say things like "Jesus hates me". Or even just all black. <<You aren't at all good at it>>: I agree. Sarcasm is more of a deadpan art. <<they never clash with the decore>>: Uh...beige would usually clash with any decor. Unless your decor was a casino back-end or cafeteria. <<Or having been taught manners and just not caring>>: I know you're trying to say something to me, and I do know what it is. But my point stands 8-) <<If you have no self-respect>>: I don't understand why you have to have no self-respect to be a slut. Can't you just enjoy sex? <<how many laws of physics does that break?>>: none. Laws of physics are never broken 8-) <<3 1/2. And I still love my baby>>: Are you telling me that your computer has gone through no massive hardware upgrades and it still runs as smoothly as the day it came out of the box? <<shudders>>: Exactly. But I have no problem sitting down at a 10 year old mac and actually getting work done. Even if it doesn't run OS X.

Christine: <<Judge rules that X-Men aren't human>>: No, he ruled that Xmen action figures weren't dolls.

DPH: <<I've conceded defeat on being a moralist UNTIL I get all my affairs in order>>: Its about frikkin' time. And what do you mean, affairs in order. Are you dying? <>: You're not an X-man, so that's easily ignored. <<somebody intent on ruining TGS's reputation.>>: Why would anyone want to do that? <<that means I do NOT hold the record for the coldest and most evil thing ever said in the CR>>: Getting close, I assure you.

Gside: <<Bu tI like my screws>>: Weirdo. Am I the only one that doesn't need to foolishly tinker with expensive equipment to prove my manliness? <<'d rather have my applications on the primary drive>>: I can understand that. <<If you are the official owner of your troops' guns, you're in possession of the illegeal weaponry. If there's evidence you gave your troops guns, you'll get convicted on arms dealing>>: Ah, I see. What if they bring their own guns?

Tired now.

104. My undercover agents will not have tattoos identifying them as members of my organization, nor will they be required to wear military boots or adhere to any other dress codes.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, January 23, 2003 02:46:44 AM
IP: 64.161.26.215

Imzadi> <<screwless access panel that swings down>>: Bu tI like my screws.
<<I'll worry about my own dangling pointers, thank you!>>: And you're free to do that in C. If you didnt want to deal with that, you can choose another language.
<<But no matter what you do to it, its still just a box>>: But mine is now a box with a rune. And every case is a box, for loose definitions of box.
<<You're just anal>>: Yes I am.
<<then use the externals as applications>>: I'd rather have my applications on the primary drive.
<>: It's a nice alliterative euphamism. It gets the point across.
<<Why?>>: In case your domination doesn't work. If you are the official owner of your troops' guns, you're in possession of the illegeal weaponry. If there's evidence you gave your troops guns, you'll get convicted on arms dealing.

Winterwolf> <<or is deadly at Scrabble>>: SE TEC ASTRONOMY

Hyperion> <<How about the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand, July 28, 1914?>>: That one worked.

Spacebabie> <<Please tell me you don�t get nude in public>>: And why one?
<<So you like the naughty schoolgirl look>>: It is a rather popular one.

Bud Clare> <<consider the dimensions>>: You do have a good bit of stretchiness on your side.

And you get a bit in engrish in your mp3. It's a file I recently was able to find myself. It's the full version of Wind, the closing theme to Naruto.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:46:46 AM
IP: 198.151.130.246

*As DPH enters the CR, a wierd beam materializes out of nowhere and heads directly towards DPH. DPH tosses "I'm a moralist" card in the air and the wierd beam dstroys the card and then disappears*

Yes, it's official. I've conceded defeat on being a moralist UNTIL I get all my affairs in order.

Christine - <Judge rules that X-Men aren't human> Oops, I guess holographic DPH isn't a hologram of a human being.

Commander M - <when is the new season coming out? I heard something about early this year 2 - 3 months ago.> That was a rumor spread by somebody intent on ruining TGS's reputation.

GXB - <DPH's comment to her was colder and more evil than anything I ever said in here.> Hopefully, that means I do NOT hold the record for the coldest and most evil thing ever said in the CR.

Winterwolf - <Here's one I felt like passing on to all of you:> I hope you don't mind that I plan on sharing that.

GSide - <The point of having higher level structures is to let the compiler/interpreter worry about how to deal with them, leaving you free from worry about dangling pointers and the like.> I knew about the contradiction.

Tony - <although, if you really did get revenge, you’d be no better> That's the key point. I met a guy who reformed from his tormenting ways. I'd have to spy to find out if the person reformed.

Fire Storm - <Pool 1: How long will the war last?> *Pulls out calculator* 216 hours max, give or take 72 hours depending on how well we deal with the troops who surrender. <Pool 2: Will nuclear weapons of any kind be used?> Only if Saddam wants to ensure IRAQ is removed from the map. <Pool 3: Will Saddam still be in power after the war?> If it isn't a UN coordinated war, Saddam is out :). Otherwise, he surives :(.

GXB - <*Whispers: He's a Southern Baptist> I knew that would come back to bite me one day. <What about aliens? For one thing this cannot be the only planet in the entire universe where intelligent life evolved. How many of aliens get into Heaven?> Very good question. Prove aliens exist first.

Bud-Clare - <And you intend to do this how?> Studying any journals that surived from that period. When I read about the Crusades, I abandoned hope that 1/2 the 'Christians' of that area were truely 'Christians'.

Imzadi - <That was well written.> That wasn't even organized properly. It was from the heart. <No, why?> grieving upsets plans and the decision making process because your mind is distracted.

*Leaves the CR holding "I'm an anti-hero" card, while Holographic DPH is frowning.*
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:59:58 PM
IP: 204.94.193.62

Question> I think I can field that question. First, it wasn't as dramatic as all that. Many writers departed ater season 2 because they wanted to work on their own projects or RL came knocking. But the reason why I say it wasn't dramatic is because between season 2 and season 3, TGS did another season of Timedancer, Dark Ages and Pendragon and during with each series there was a drop off in overall writers. I think that covers it.
Taleweaver
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:13:16 PM
IP: 24.205.116.254

Judge rules that X-Men aren't human ... clickie.
Christine - [< -- link]
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:10:16 PM
IP: 65.239.13.196

oops wrong picture
Commander M
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 09:19:05 PM
IP: 66.176.57.35

I guess ill just keep waiting until it comes out season 4 of tgs - gargoyles.
But, if anyone finds out when its coming out let me know by putting in the comment. Ill check in every hour or two.
If anyone has any episodes from season 4 gargoyles, send it to merexnor@msn.com id appreciate it.

Thanks,
Commander M
Commander M
Florida, USA
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 09:18:18 PM
IP: 66.176.57.35

This link amuses me...
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 08:56:02 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Fire Storm> <<Vanilla, eh? Sucks >>
Hey, I like vanilla.

<>
*L* They probably saved you a trip to the principal's office, though. Not that I'd know anything about that. *coughs pointedly*

Tony Elliot> <<Ok, normally I’m not so sarcastic.>>
...Please don't ever be sarcastic again. You aren't at all good at it.

Gside> <<The thing about boring beige ATX cases is that they then become your own (or your brother's) blank canvases.>>
And they never clash with the decore...

Josh> <<One can be a good person at heart even without having been taught manners.>>
Or having been taught manners and just not caring...

<<If you've got it, you use it.>>
If you have no self-respect.

<<Those don't get jail time.>>
They should, dammit.

<<Read the USA PATRIOT act sometime.>>
Grr...
*pulls out a small voodoo doll and kicks it in the shins*
*somewhere in the world, an annoying shrub trips*

<>
Isn't that enough? I mean, consider the dimensions... how many laws of physics does that break? ;)

<<Every PC user I know is either ready to completely rebuild or replace there machine after 3 years.>>
*counts* Hmmm... 3 1/2. And I still love my baby.

<>
*shudders*
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 08:17:44 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

For season 2 of TGS there were over 30 writers, but for season 3 there were only about half that number so why the sudden reduction?
Question
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 07:33:20 PM
IP: 216.170.210.88

when is the new season coming out? I heard something about early this year 2 - 3 months ago.
Commander M
Florida, USA
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 06:04:50 PM
IP: 66.176.57.35

<green baron>

If Gore were president, we would still be apologizing to Al Quaeda for bombing the World Trade Center...

silvadel
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 04:48:49 PM
IP: 208.59.133.50

Just a few comments tonight.

First, through the help of a blogger known as teh War Liberal, I will start a series of posting his Captain Euro stories on my liverjournal. The first has Captain Euro vs the Ring Wraiths :)

Dezi> I guess now is a time to be glad your dad is not Combat Arms. I hope he stays safe if we actually do anything. Even though I am in Kosovo right now, as soon as I return to Germany, I am going to do all I can to get myself on a deployment to the Middle East, because I want to do my part in dealing with Sadaam. I am a Finance soldier so if I am deployed with your dad, let him know that he can see Specialist Thomas Forsyth with any Finance issue he has, no opponents needed. I just ask that he not knock on my tent at 3 am, unless it's really serious :)

I don't care about who's President. If Gore were President and he decided it was time to rumble with Sadaam, I'd be just as eager to go in the fray. I do it because Sadaam is our fault and I want that corrected. I support the action for the reasons guys like Christopher Hitchens and other liberals do, not for conservative reasons. I have a soft spot in my heart for the Kurds, which some al Qaeda front is trying to massacre (coincidence?).

Besides, I'd rather be with Christopher Hitchens and Shimon Peres who support action against a fascist gangster like Sadaam, as opposed to Pat Buchanan who opposes our taking on the Godfather of the Middle East.

I also don't want nukes used or any significant bombing, beyond soem key military targets. I just hope if we go in there, the artifacts of Iraq are no more the worse for wear, because I look forward to seeing Babylon, Ur, Chaldea, Akkadia, and Sumer, or what's left of them.

Gabriel> The North Korean dictator is Kim Jong Il, a vile power-hungry pygmy with a bad haircut. To fight him best, we should us an American who is a power hungry pygmy with a bad haircut: Ross Perot :)

"Well, you see, Kimmie, you can't have a strong Govenrment if your civilian population is starving. Now, in these graphs, I have submitted how you can fix your country and get that deficit under control. Now, quit staring at my ears."

Bye bye
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 04:09:30 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

I’m soooo pissed off at Vixen and Charisma. Okay my dad is doing some out of town work/training. That means I take over giving Perdita her medicine and at night Rocco aka the high strung dog that needs to be separated sleeps in my room. He knows that my room is part of the cat’s territory. He respects that, he doesn’t growl or get snippy with them yet Charisma and Vixen woke me up when they hissed and lashed at him causing the poor dog to yelp.

I gave Spooky, Velvet, and Mix cat treats and made sure those two got none.

*******Spoilers for Boston Public********
God I feel sorry for that poor girl. Finn lied to her about sleeping with her mother and now that her parents are getting a divorce and she found out that Finn is one of the causes for the divorce. God I hate her mother.

**************Spoilers for Smallville******
Clark Kent’s first heroic deed in Metropolis. Martha Kent discovered that Lionel Luthor had Kryptonite in his vault and a file on Clark. She is still going to work for him. So she can spy on him. Debut of the Dailey Planet. It was next to the building Lionel and Martha were kept as hostages in. Clark jumped from it to get into the building
****************Spoilers End*******

Replies
Firestorm<<<Not in public!>>> Please tell me you don’t get nude in public.

Dezi<<<My brother is known as Stupid (to the point that he naturally responds), Turd, Retard (or simply Tard - not to be confused with Turd), and most often as Dumbnut.>>>We have such great nicknames for our brothers

Josh<<<Watched TV and did almost nothing else today.>>>Some days I wish I could do that.<<<First classes tomorrow!>>>Big whoop. I wonder if they are going to stick you in a closet.<<<Wolf is totally the bitch.>>>Remember sometimes it is the bitch wolf that is more deadly<<<No one element is enough. Its the entire outfit>>>So you like the naughty schoolgirl look<<<Well then your mother is old, isn't she?>>>Yes she is <<<Two midterms, one final, two projects, and some homework>>>Three stories and a lot of critiquing<<<where I'm pretty much gopher-boy for 3 units.>>>gives him some Almond Joys

Winterwolf>>>OMG those rearranged terms!!!! The last one I fell out of my seat.

Bud Claire<<<It's the sluttiness that I had a problem with>>>

GregX<<<Yes you do. Besides, Demona is the real hero of the series. Goliath on the other hand is an idealistic idiot ;) >>>Hmm its weird how you keep getting the heros and the villains confused. Don’t forget its almost ALWAYS the hero that actually wins. Supporting evil and yet you are still not a Republican.

19. “It isn’t for the moment you are stuck in that you need courage but for the long uphill climb back to sanity, and faith and security.” ~ Anne Morrow Lindberg

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 03:39:09 PM
IP: 67.24.18.76

Well, since everyone’s talking about computers, I find it interesting that I just finished my primary file server.
"Nemesis" (after my Tesla magnifier of the same name)is a 1 TB file storage machine. That’s ten 120 GB hot swappable drives in a RAID 5 array. It will be the best machine I have until I finish building my main computer, "Eclipse"

and the replies....pssht, like hell I'm going back all that way...I think I'll be lazy.

Greg Bishansky><And hey, whatever happened to Osama bin Laden?> he's dead, jim.
<guy is still alive and threatening American civilians> Where? Written reports from "osama" aren’t exactly proof, especially since the guy apparently liked being photographed and videotaped in his addresses.

Josh><Somehow, a failed assassination attempt isn't quite in there> How about the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand, July 28, 1914?
<And cause the world supply of oil to exhaust in half the time> And this is a bad thing...why?

Gabriel><bad suicide bombing are and such>Not really...no one says the kamikaze were bad or wrong. In fact, they're lauded as heroic. The fact that some Arab nut turns himself into meat salad in the middle of a Yom Kippur supper in a hotel...or a crowded nightclub, or a bus, is what makes it terrorism. Using anything (including people) to bomb a strategic target in wartime is good sense, but killing civilians in a undeclared war is evil.
Even Vietnam, where little girls blew themselves up to kill an American GI, was considered 'guerilla warfare", not terrorism.

Fire Storm><Poll>
1: About 2 months. 5 years if the UN gets involved.
2: No. Small chance of bio or chemical weapons. No nukes. Not even Saddam’s dumb enough to burn up every single shred of credibility in the Arab world by launching nukes. Plus the other nations would actively discourage that.
2A: If I had to say there would be one used…Israel; less then 5 megatons.
3 Fu!k no!

Kaioto>I agree with almost everything you said except " who you can really trust to be informed, altruistic, and rational on the subject?" The answer is, "of course not"
Anyone informed has something to gain or loose from the situation, otherwise they wouldn't care about it.
Rationality never makes a good sound bite, and altruism is a discredited doctrine.
That said... your assessment is about what *should* be done. I'd disagree with the "UN peacekeepers" as that is generally synonymous with "US soldiers" and the UN as a whole is worthless. And I'm not sure if letting Saddam live is a good thing, but beyond that, it's reasonable.
I hasten to point out that all of that is only possible due to the strong leadership of Bush. Funny how none of the Arab leaders cared about exiling Saddam for the decade of Clinton, and only started trying to convince him to abdicate after we said "We're coming in, and we will kill you all. Love, the United States"
Do I think Saddam will accept exile, of course not. He's a megalomaniacal tyrant who would rather go down with a pyre of burning cities. What we are witnessing now is something that the world has forgotten, and the academic elite has tried to discredit: that the application of force is sometimes necessary and that the US, as the last superpower has both the strength and the resolve to utterly crush those that would threaten her security.
This idea of appeasement has somehow permeated our culture (Don't struggle against the rapist/robber/murderer/carjacker, it might make them mad) to the point that we think that an impartial, quasi-logical forum of justice can solve all ills. It cannot. And often negotiation and appeasement does more harm then good.
Europe tired to appease Hitler, and failed. How many fewer would have died if they had ended the war when Germany annexed the Sudentenland? Do you think we would be closely allied to Germany and Japan had we not forced them to unconditionally surrender?
We will strike at Iraq, and possibly N. Korea. We shall end lives, we shall destroy equipment. Our enemies have had the benefit of the doubt for so long, our citizenry actually debates the motives of our President and a murdering, torturing thug that calls for the obliteration of our nation.
The vast majority of the US understands what is at stake, they comprehend the only solution is victory at any cost. That at stake here is nothing less the survival of our nation and our liberty.
We shall launch forth, our soldiers some of the best in the world, our weapons unparallel, and rain death on our enemies. Their destruction is inevitable, the timetable of our victory may be in question, but the victory itself is unquestionable.
These are truths that the WWI and WWII generations knew. We, and the world, have forgotten them, but it is time they remembered.

Oh, thus be it ever when free men shall stand
between their love'd home and the foe's desolation
Blest wil victr'y and peace may this heaven rescued land
praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation
then conquer we must, for our cause it is just
and this be our motto, in God is our trust
and the Star spangled banner in triumph shall wave
over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
-The defense of Ft. McHenry (Star Spangled Banner)
Francis Scott Key.
Hyperion
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 03:11:49 PM
IP: 151.199.242.18

Greg B. > <<So, George W. and Dick Cheney in a tag-team match with Saddam Hussein and the North Korean guy... who wants to take bets? >>

If Hussein and Pyonyang (?) are smart, they'll challenge Bush to a game of scarbble ;)
Sadly, i don't have enough wit to have made that up, it's all Will Farrel.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 01:58:50 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

I am so pissed off. There was no "24" last night and the stupid Fox Network decided to play that "American Idol" crap. Geez, one of the few shows I watch religiously and they think "American Idol" is more important.

TONY> <<Think about Demona, did vengeance ever get her anything? Yes, just a fiction, but it still has a good moral. Revenge will give you a quick high, but in the end you just end up empty. The only way to really fix those pains is with forgiveness and love… I must really sound like a hippie.>>

Yes you do. Besides, Demona is the real hero of the series. Goliath on the other hand is an idealistic idiot ;)

GHOST OF REV. ATILLA> <<DPH> In all fairness, Dezi has a right to worry about her father's well-being.>>

Yes, she very much does. DPH's comment to her was colder and more evil than anything I ever said in here. I don't see him offering to go to the Mid-east in her dad's place. Some Jesus loving moralist ;)

DEZI> <<Then lets let the Republican diehards go fight and leave the rest of out of it. It can be their pet project.>> Yes, Definetly. Sorry, but I'm not going to Iraq just because Bush wants to show the world how big his tiny dick is.

You know who I blame for wars? The soldiers. If no one goes, no one on either side, what are they gonna do, arrest or kill everyone? Why these politicians and dictators would just have to get into a ring and and fight each other? Though you know, that idea really appeals to me.

So, George W. and Dick Cheney in a tag-team match with Saddam Hussein and the North Korean guy... who wants to take bets?

And hey, whatever happened to Osama bin Laden? No one in the Bush Administration mentions him anymore. What happened to the goal of hunting him down, capturing or killing him and bringing down al Qaeda? Can someone explain this to me? This guy is still alive and threatening American civilians.

LAIN> Why aren't you on IM anymore? <<im afraid we have to disagree. it is our opinion that it was a grinder, not a saw. and let me just say EEEEEIUGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! (even though i was hiding under the couch for most of that part.. literally..)>> Saw, grinder, either way I don't want one near my dick.

JOSH> <<There are no aliens. Don't you realize that humans are the only god-created intelligent life form! Earth is the center of the universe, you fool!>> Oh, then pardon my ignorance ;) <<He's not sitting with me!>> And he's not invited to the cook out I have planned at the Lake of Fire... reminds me, I'd better send out the invitations.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 01:53:29 PM
IP: 216.179.3.29

***Huge enormously big massive great "24" spoilers***

***You have been warned twice!***

I'm with you on the "oh ****!!" thing, Lain. I just managed to find a place to download the episode last night (because... well, the 5pm cliffhanger...!) after a couple of unsuccessful attempts. Anyway, it means I’m caught up with the US for the moment. The season is really taking off after flagging a bit around the 12-3pm hours, and I'm loving it. Great dramatic exit for Reza, although I kind of had a suspicion about Marie all along. Ironically, they planned to marry at 6pm if I recall. It’s a shame in a way: he was a terrific character. They wrote the fake Alan York, Kevin Carroll, out last season in a very cool scene, but in hindsight it would have been much cooler to keep him on since none of the subsequent assassins were particularly effective or well-characterised.

Unfortunately, Nina is heading to LA – bad news for the characters methinks. I predict some kind of Kim/Nina meeting, since Nina obviously still needs some kind of protection from Jack (who she can also kill at any point she wishes now I guess). There are still some potential shockers for Kim: she doesn’t know that Jack and Nina had an affair, I don’t think. Nor does she know that Teri told Nina about her pregnancy – although since this was cut from US broadcasts, they might not touch it.

But I just don’t get Sherry. She’s manipulating affairs by all accounts to try and stop a team from finding a nuclear bomb in Los Angeles – that’s far worse than anything she’s considered before, and worse even than anything that Nina did last year. In fact, it basically blows all her characterisation and motivation up until this point out of the water. Maybe there’s some spin I’m not getting (like, there isn’t really a nuclear bomb and it’s all a power-play – even though we saw them assembling it in the morning). I hope we get a good explanation. And I hope they get rid of Roger Stanton, the part of which Harris Yulin is butchering. Might be interesting to see Rayburn return.

They haven’t returned to the bomb itself though – with two of the delivery people dead, and the third looking pretty shaken up when we left him around 3.30, I guess that Syed Ali is going to find it very difficult to detonate the bomb as planned. Meanwhile, Xander Berkeley (Mason, Coldsteel) needs an Emmy. His one proper scene this episode had a fairly dubious script but he really brought it to life. I liked Mason ever since Jack tranq’ed and blackmailed him back in the first episode (ah, happy days :)) and I hope he has a big role in the rest.

Okay, best stop obsessing and do some work.

***End spoilers***
Ed - [ed@steelclaw.org]
London, England
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:59:16 PM
IP: 131.111.8.102

Winterwolf > That system is fine for just about anything you want to run on the current market. It doesn't really merit a RAM extension of Graphics card upgrade for at least 6 months, unless the user is doing something more system-intensive on it than online gaming.

The options are nice to have for future expansion, but doubling-up on everything isn't going to lead to even a 50% increase in performance - more likely than not, but it will rack up a hefty bill.

Of course, if you've got to have cutting-edge technology, you should be running OSX or Redhat 8 off a non-Intel chip anyway. ;-)
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:19:13 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Tony > I don't think that the existance of the Fey in the gargoyles universe precluded the existance of the God we Catholics believe in, anyway.

Sure, giving the Fey free license to use their power to abuse the humans of the Earth doesn't seem to be His style, so I would find it safe to assume there are mitigating circumstances off-camera that prevent Oberon from just deciding one day he wants to lord over the Earth. There are probably factors that prevent modern man from falling prey to supernatural boogie-men on a regular basis as well. Such races coexisting for aeons is enough of a miracle for me, thanks. :)

But you'd never get a straight answer in Gargoyles. Greg purposefully avoids defining or limiting God in any way in Gargoyles. He's not going to provide any answers in that universe that we don't have in our own. Gargoyles is first and foremost about people, the aspects of humanity reflected in the human, Fey, and gargoyle characters in the series.

Some of us see the face of God reflected in the best characteristics of the human condition, the aspects heroes in Gargoyles put forward. But that's as far as it will go. There would never be any obvious interventions or convenient explanations. Even the Holy Grail isn't flatly defined as the Cup of Christ like it was in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".

I think Gargoyles is very realistic and human in that respect. You're left with your doubts, your faith, and your questions.

Computers > Stupid machine. Shipped me a PCI slot model on my recent purchase. I guess I'll have to settle for the Nvidia 64MB DDR card instead of the 128 card I wanted. Sigh. Still, anything is better than integrated graphics running off my system memory.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:14:30 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Found out a friend just got a new PC. From what he mentioned it sounded pretty good. $600 spent for an Intel P4 2.4 GHz, 533MHz bus, 256MB PC1066 RDRAM (he's planning to add more soon), GeForce4 MX Video Card (which will be swapped with a new card he just got and was upset that it didn't work well in his old P3 400 computer), and other basic stuff (dvd, sound card,). I think he could have done a bit better... Anyone have any comments?

DPH> <link> Ha ha! Made ya look!

Spacebabie> <Ah but I thought Dreamie wore the pants in your relationship?> Sounds kinky... Anyway sometimes yes, sometimes no. I'm getting what I want so if I seem laid back at times I can understand that perception. ^_^

Josh> <You bet. Wolf is totally the bitch.> You're just upset cause your not getting any ;P

Here's one I felt like passing on to all of you:

Someone out there either
has too much spare time or is deadly at Scrabble.
(Wait till you see the last one! ! ! )

GEORGE BUSH:
When you rearrange the letters: HE BUGS GORE

DORMITORY:
When you rearrange the letters: DIRTY ROOM

EVANGELIST:
When you rearrange the letters: EVIL'S AGENT

PRESBYTERIAN:
When you rearrange the letters: BEST IN PRAYER

DESPERATION:
When you rearrange the letters: A ROPE ENDS IT

THE MORSE CODE:
When you rearrange the letters: HERE COME DOTS

SLOT MACHINES:
When you rearrange the letters: CASH LOST IN ME

MOTHER-IN-LAW:
When you rearrange the letters: WOMAN HITLER

SNOOZE ALARMS:
When you rearrange the letters: ALAS! NO MORE Z ' S

A DECIMAL POINT:
When you rearrange the letters: I ' M A DOT IN PLACE

THE EARTHQUAKES:
When you rearrange the letters: THAT QUEER SHAKE

ELEVEN PLUS TWO:
When you rearrange the letters: TWELVE PLUS ONE

And for the grand finale:
PRESIDENT CLINTON OF THE USA:
When you rearrange the letters (With no letters
left over and using each letter only once):
TO COPULATE HE FINDS INTERNS

Now this one is for Josh:

"The California crunch really is the result of not enough power to power the power of generating plants."
- President Bush on California's energy crisis

Winterwolf
Seattle, WA
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 03:41:41 AM
IP: 12.231.54.183

First day of classes today. Should be an interesting semester. Two midterms, one final, two projects, and some homework. That and the research group, where I'm pretty much gopher-boy for 3 units. Also turns out that I need more books, which I'm not too thrilled about. More on classes as they develop.

Bud-Clare: <<One of the many reasons why they suck>>: I wholly agree. <<Rudeness doesn't count?>>: I don't really think that's evil or good. One can be a good person at heart even without having been taught manners. <<As long as you didn't jump straight into object-oriented programming, C++ shouldn't be any more difficult to learn>>: Well C kind of avoids the OOP, so it stands to be the way to go from your logic. <<It's the sluttiness that I had a problem with>>: If you've got it, you use it.

Greg X: <<How many of aliens get into Heaven?>>: There are no aliens. Don't you realize that humans are the only god-created intelligent life form! Earth is the center of the universe, you fool! <<you're going to Hell with the rest of us>>: He's not sitting with me! <<Oh don't mind him. *Whispers: He's a Southern Baptist>>: LOL!

Fire Storm: <<Sadam's 'unstoppable army' will be defeated in 4 weeks>>: Did it take that long last time? <<littering and disturbing the peace>>: Those don't get jail time. <<As long as it isn't gay fursuit porn>>: How would that make him more of a freak than straight furry porn? <>: Use a mac. <<in Windows>>: Oh...nevermind then 8-) Well, since you wrote it, any interface that works for you is "nice". But not necessarily marketable. <<so technicailly you take 5 north to 80, but 405 sounded better>>: Except that the 405 is in southern california and the 80 is 400 miles north of it! <>: LOL! <<Start a war crimes tribunal for one person>>: Can you be charged with war crimes if war isn't declared? <<Vanilla, eh? Sucks>>: Not really. It offers me infinite options. <<You have learned well, grasshopper>>: Of course I still think Macs are better ;-) <<Those new aluminum ones are pretty cool, or I can always get one powder coated metallic red>>: Call me when you've built in handles to make it easier to carry, and an screwless access door that swings down (not to the side) for full access to all components. Those are really the only advantages of the mac tower case. Well, that and the warranty. Maybe I'll build my next mac tower myself. Of course, since I'm doing desktop replacement forever on (unless I'm a hardcore programmer), that's not really important. <<Not enough users to make it worth it!>>: I know you saw that as an insult, but its really quite a treat to not have to litter one's hard drive with Norton crap or other antivirus software. <<turn Iraq into Lake America>>: If we turn the whole area into glass, it'll make a fine parking lot for EuroDisney. <<changed my senior will from "Taking YOU all with me" to "taking IT all with me">>: You had a senior will? <<How long will the war last?>>: 4 months. <<Will nuclear weapons of any kind be used?>>: No. <<pinpoint where and how powerfull the FIRST strike is>>: Stealth fighter strike against radar installations with LGB-2000's. <<Will Saddam still be in power after the war?>>: Not this time.

Rev. Attila: <<snarl at the UN who wouldn't let the US take out Sadaam right after the Gulf War>>: I can't believe we had to ask permission. <<Sean Penn>>: I never heard about this. <<Ghadaffi>>: Kaddafi. <<force Celine Deon to sing the Iraqi National Anthem>>: Maybe just shoot her?

Kaioto: <<World Wars have started over less>>: Lets see: Defenestration of Prague, Invasion of Poland. Somehow, a failed assassination attempt isn't quite in there. <<If Iraq experiences pro-US regime change, it could swing the world oil market in favor of the United States>>: And cause the world supply of oil to exhaust in half the time. <<Anti-Semetic racism is an issue France and Germany would rather turn a blind eye to>>: Ironically, French law (German too, perhaps) prohibits the sale of transfer of Nazi memorabilia. <<post in general>>: Very insightful and informative statements, here.

Gabriel: <<no government can funtion and survive without propoganda to lie to it's people about the goodness and legitamacy of their cause.>>: Especially ours. Good god, I'm turning into a hippy!

Questionnaire: You're reading into things that aren't there. Don't assume the existence of characters that aren't mentioned. Nothing is exactly transcribed from any one mythology. TGS only says that the faeries *inspired* those mythologies, it doesn't say that there were one-to-one counterparts.

Dezi: <<what did ever happen to the war on terrorism, anyway?>>: It became a war by the government to restrict our civil rights to nothing. Read the USA PATRIOT act sometime. <<I'm just anti-moron.>>: Good.

Todd: <<given that Avallach doesn't resemble Cronus in his various tyrannical tendencies, such as cannibalizing his own offspring>>: Yet. Maybe Oberon and Madoc had other brothers and sisters?

Coyote: <<This is what I get for not having TV for two months ... a friggin' *war* breaks out>>: Did you move into a cave too? With no internet connection?

Tony: <<my first legal beer! It doesn’t taste as good as when it was illegal>>: You noticed that too, huh? <<except for child birth>>: Are you saying that every birth is a miracle? I mean, aside from the fact that women can live through it? <<getting accepted into college>>: LOL. <<if you really did get revenge, you’d be no better than the a-holes that hurt you first>>: No, but you'd feel better! <<Revenge will give you a quick high, but in the end you just end up empty>>: I don't know about empty, but it certainly won't fix the issues that high school abuse gave you. <>: Yup! <<Josh is going to eat you up on that one>>: Not at all. He's actually right. I can't add better graphics externally to an iMac. Because there is no such thing as an external graphics card...is there? I'm thinking along the lines of the DV editing solutions that include a graphics card. But they're only firewire, not AGP, so they don't have very good data rate. <<its nice to have an inexpensive video card that outputs 2048x1536 @ 32 bit AND be able to enjoy it on my also inexpensive 19” CRT>>: Are you implying that I can't do that on a mac? Every mac graphics card in the last few years displays 2048x1536 in millions of colors. With or without an expensive Apple display (yes, I know Apple displays are grotesquely overpriced). <<AGP 8x been available for PC’s for a few months now?>>: But is it worth paying for? <<there was no God>>: Ah yes, my bad. But you know what I meant. <>: See, you assume that the existence of magical beings precludes the existence of a God. It doesn't. <<would like a computer they can customize and upgrade, like me and everyone else at my old job>>: and for you, an iMac wouldn't cut it. <<Neither are most of Compaq’s & HP computers, which is why I won’t buy one>>: Okay so then don't compare an iMac to your customized computer or some cracked-out Dell tower. <<We’ll make more money if we just force the customers to buy a new Mac when the next prettier model is released!>>: Duh! How do you think computer companies make money? Dell and Apple are the only two computer makers with positive cash flow right now. Dell has it on sheer volume. Apple has it because a) its market share is (very) slowly increasing and b) they can convince users to buy new machines. And his name is Steve Jobs, FYI. <<Ooohhhh fans, whoopdie doo!>>: That wasn't necessary, I was merely pointing out that everything is customizable if you want to. No one is stopping you. <<then replacing the CPU & motherboard with something 4x faster than the old one would really toot your whistle>>: True, but a mac 4x faster than my current one doesn't exist yet. I just don't have any desire to upgrade the motherboard, and I can afford to buy a whole new machine. <<Messy>>: Why messy? <<slower than internal IDE or SCSI, more expensive>>: These are definitely true. <<how come for the 3 years I worked at Milwaukee PC, a local computer chain, I never had one customer come in and buy a AGP video card for his MAC?>>: Well, I can think of a few possible reasons. One is that there aren't any mac users near the store, or that a mac *specialist* is nearby. All I know is that I can walk into CompUSA or Fry's and leave with one of several graphics cards from Nvidia or ATI. <>: I don't need drivers to use your hard drive, RAM, or media drives. For the rest, it depends on what you have. Video cards are usually ROM's, so no driver will run a PC video card on a mac unless the card itself is flashable. <<How many choices would you have?>>: Not many. But you're forgetting something else: Mac OS X (to be honest, the operating system is the reason I use a mac. The hardware is cool, but secondary) will only run and install if a certain ROM is present on the board. <<How much would it cost?>>: More, true. But the option is there, and of course it would be cheaper than buying a new machine. <<A 6 year old pc will do everything I need it to do.>>: Every PC user I know is either ready to completely rebuild or replace there machine after 3 years. <<How new is your current Mac?>>: I just bought it a year and a half ago. <<You answer X years, so the last time you purchased a Mac was X+5 years ago? Yea, right>>: True, I bought a new mac after two years because I came into a large supply of cash. What i said is that it will last. Because I won't be buying a new machine for a few years at least. I know many computer labs with 10 year old macs. I don't see a lot of 10 year old PC's sitting around. <>: Plus original cost of the computer. <<less if you factor in the time value of money, p/a ratio I think>>: Eh, barely. Interest rates are low. <<my machine is as fast as the current standard; while after year 5, you still have a 5 year old machine that just seems slower and slower as faster and faster Macs get released>>: True. <>: Um, that's obviously not what I meant. I worked at GE over the summer, so I made more on my mac purchase than you did with your PC! So neener. Dumbass. I meant troubleshooting your OWN machine. <<Linux is getting better and better with each release>>: But its not a consumer operating system yet. <<I’ll give it 2-4 years until retail computers start shipping with Linux as an alternative to “Windoze”>>: They already are. And it sucks in all its glory. You think macs have hardware driver problems or that they lack software?! <<they still make a decent product.>>: Oh yeah, 63,000 known bugs and counting, that's a great product. <<click my name>>: Like I told Fire Storm, call me when it has handles for carrying and a screwless access panel that swings down (not to the side, yes this is an advantage).

Gside: <<leaving you free from worry about dangling pointers and the like>>: I'll worry about my own dangling pointers, thank you! <<The thing about boring beige ATX cases is that they then become your own (or your brother's) blank canvases>>: But no matter what you do to it, its still just a box. <>: Fair enough. <<I'd rather set up a temprary slave, copy everything over, then format the largest old drive, and maybe use it as a slave itself to limit the waste>>: You're just anal. I'd use the small drive for the OS and VM, then use the externals as applications and documents drives. Nice for when one gets corrupted, I don't lose everything. <<You still sepcified external in your question>>: Yeah I know, sorry. <<whether or not you can do it, you still need to crack the case>>: I don't know about "crack", but you do need to open it. <<Will your troops be the owners of their own guns? And will you be able to get rid of all the evidence that you supplied them?>>: Why? <<Direct connect is well over 2TB shared. I'm excited>>: Eh. <>: why?

Nite folks.

103. I will make it clear that I do know the meaning of the word "mercy"; I simply choose not show them any.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 03:37:05 AM
IP: 64.161.27.224

DPH> <<How about absolute control over every higher level structure?>>: The point of having higher level structures is to let the compiler/interpreter worry about how to deal with them, leaving you free from worry about dangling pointers and the like.

Imzadi> <<And you can mount it in your own boring beige ATX case if you want>>: The thing about boring beige ATX cases is that they then become your own (or your brother's) blank canvases.
<<But isn't it the U that's usually changed?>>: Eh, the form started as a way to avoid having to use a TM symbol, and once you've got a wildcard in there, it's good enough.
<<most people don't care how their computer works, as long as it does>>: I still feel the need to counterbalance your mac pushing.
<<And who cares?>>: I think I would. I'd rather set up a temprary slave, copy everything over, then format the largest old drive, and maybe use it as a slave itself to limit the waste.
<<The iMac uses an AGP 4x GeForce4, which I could remove and replace>>: You still sepcified external in your question. And whether or not you can do it, you still need to crack the case.
<<Not on my person!>>: Will your troops be the owners of their own guns? And will you be able to get rid of all the evidence that you supplied them?
<<Um, yes it is>>: Maybe it adds to my freakishness, but there's so much to pass by before you notice that.

Fire Storm> <<As long as it isn't gay fursuit porn>>: Nto yet and do I plan on searching for it. It all depends on whether someone posts an example on the Ecchi Attack message boards.
<>: You don't care enough about bits in that situation.
<<It's not like I have any of this stuff burned onto CDs or anything>>: Since I'm low on room, and there a a good couple gigs I want to get, I must burn. Direct connect is well over 2TB shared. I'm excited.
<<Then they will just shut down your Eden account>>: I don't believe they have a counter on that. It's their own machine, and not many people use it for large file transfers.
<<why is your roommate just standing there wearing only a sock and pointing a camcorder at us?>>: I don't have a camcorder, and I keep my sock in the freezer.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:56:21 AM
IP: 198.151.130.244

Ah, my first legal beer! It doesn’t taste as good as when it was illegal. At least now I can get it whenever I want. No time to celebrate this week, but I’ll have a good birthday celebration this weekend. Maybe even head down to Chicago for it.

Kaioto
An interesting editorial, thanks for sharing your point of view.

Dezi

Sorry to hear that. I know you don’t want him to go, and neither do I; but since he has no choice in the matter, make the best of the situation and tell him thanks for protecting for the USA on behalf of the TGS CR.

DPH
<But it still difficult for me to hear about others being saved from cancer by a "miracle">
I’ve never witnessed a miracle… except for child birth and getting accepted into college. My best friend’s (practically a brother) mom died of lymphoid cancer when he just started high school. He came from a very spiritual family, but no miracles. My grandfather died of his wind pipe collapsing a day after surgery, no miracles. My other grandfather died (same year) because of kidney cancer, sill no miracles. Instead of being sad and pissed off that I’ve lost friends & family, I’m grateful that they ever were a part of my life.
<Yes, it's about time I had the means at my disposable to enact revenge against those who gave me troubles in public school>
I’ve felt your pain. Middle & high school sucked for me. Although, if you really did get revenge, you’d be no better than the a-holes that hurt you first. Think about Demona, did vengeance ever get her anything? Yes, just a fiction, but it still has a good moral. Revenge will give you a quick high, but in the end you just end up empty. The only way to really fix those pains is with forgiveness and love… I must really sound like a hippie.

Gside
<Better graphics?>
Josh is going to eat you up on that one :) Although, I must say its nice to have an inexpensive video card that outputs 2048x1536 @ 32 bit AND be able to enjoy it on my also inexpensive 19” CRT. Hasn’t AGP 8x been available for PC’s for a few months now?

Fire Storm
<Hmm... So... should I even bother with C or just go to C++?>
What was the original question? I may be of some help.

Josh
< <<knew that there was no God>>: No one ever said the Gargoyles universe had no god.> Point of clarifaction – … there was no God. Please notice capitol ‘G’, indicating THEE God, not A god. Perhaps I should have said Jesus. I suppose this is more of an opinion than a fact; but,
Green Baron or any other Christian here, would you consider God of our universe to be written into the Gargoyles universe? I certainly don’t think He is, mainly due to the existence of the fey. Don’t get me wrong though; things are good in the Gargoyles universe just the way there are; it’s a well conceived fantasy land.
<most people don't care how their computer works, as long as it does> Point taken. There are plenty of people who DO care, and would like a computer they can customize and upgrade, like me and everyone else at my old job. <As in "I do it myself, without tech supports help>Ah, clever.<iMacs are not SUPPOSED to be upgraded. The whole point is that you NEVER have to screw with it> Neither are most of Compaq’s & HP computers, which is why I won’t buy one.
Transcript from a Apple corporate meeting: {
Hardware development engineer: “… and by making the iMac a fully upgradeable machine, we could save our customers money. This would also give us a competitive edge with…”
[Chairman pushes red button on desk console that tilts chair of hardware development engineer backwards into a fiery pit, extends pinky to lips, and continues to pet furless cat]
Chairman; “Foolish engineers, they have no business sense! We’ll make more money if we just force the customers to buy a new Mac when the next prettier model is released!”
}end transcript
< The G4 tower is fully upgradeable. I've added new media drives, PCI cards, hard drives, and ram. You can customize the fans, overclock the processors, whatever.> Ooohhhh fans, whoopdie doo! Ok, normally I’m not so sarcastic. If that gives you a thrill, then replacing the CPU & motherboard with something 4x faster than the old one would really toot your whistle.
**Tony’s inner monoluge, “toot you whistle, where the hell did that stupid phrase come from, gramps? Eh, just keep typing.” **
<Plus, I don't understand what's wrong with using external upgrading (USB and Firewire)> Messy, slower than internal IDE or SCSI, more expensive. <For the most part, these are completely interchangeable with PC parts.> Then how come for the 3 years I worked at Milwaukee PC, a local computer chain, I never had one customer come in and buy a AGP video card for his MAC? I have yet to see a MAC driver for any piece of hardware in my computer. <If I really needed a new motherboard for my mac, I could find one on pricewatch or ebay> How many choices would you have? Not many compared to PC motherboard choices, there are thousands of models to choose from. How much would it cost? Average PC motherboard is ~70 for decent, ~140 for great.
<But since my Mac will last 5-6 years and still be able to do everything I need it to do> A 6 year old pc will do everything I need it to do. How new is your current Mac? You answer X years, so the last time you purchased a Mac was X+5 years ago? Yea, right. < You can spend $423 every year upgrading your machine and at the end my mac's 5 year life, it will have cost you MORE than a mac!> 1) I upgrade motherboards and cpu’s once every 2 years, and somewhere along the line a get a new (Nvidia) graphcs card too. I generally spend about $300 per year upgrading. $1500 over 5 years. (less if you factor in the time value of money, p/a ratio I think). Because I upgrade, I’ve never had a computer that I felt was slow. After I upgrade, my machine is as fast as the current standard; while after year 5, you still have a 5 year old machine that just seems slower and slower as faster and faster Macs get released. <Try billing yourself $5/hour for the time you spend troubleshooting Windoze> I got payed $7.50 hr in high school at Milwaukee PC, charge $20 hr for in home consulting, and make $11.50 hr now as a network tech at a small office. So I’m ahead a few grand. Troubleshooting is profitable for me! And Linux is getting better and better with each release. I’ll give it 2-4 years until retail computers start shipping with Linux as an alternative to “Windoze”. Mind you, I don’t have much love for Microsoft, but they still make a decent product.
<And you can mount it in your own boring beige ATX case if you want>
www.colorcases.com/cases/cases.html <--- click my name if copy/paste is too much work for you.

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI, The place to see your breath, not just smell it.
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:38:49 AM
IP: 65.29.159.249

and.. since we just saw last weeks ep, and the weeks before.. here are some...

*********24 spoilers*************

let us both just say a great big whopping HOLY (#*^$!!!!!!!!!!!
who knew that, besides being an evil undead zombie lawyer, gavin moonlighted as a member of a highly trained tactical unit for the LA CTU?? *whistles* that man has untapped talents!

greg b>> im afraid we have to disagree. it is our opinion that it was a grinder, not a saw. and let me just say EEEEEIUGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! (even though i was hiding under the couch for most of that part.. literally..)

um.. yeah. if you are a fan and watch the show, i think youll know what i mean by the above "HOLY (#*^$!!!!!!!!!!!"

*ahem*

**************end 24 spoilers**************

the end.

lain
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:36:45 AM
IP: 65.93.79.168

This is what I get for not having TV for two months ... a friggin' *war* breaks out. Juuust great.
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 08:28:02 PM
IP: 66.103.234.122

Hey! Let's start betting on this coming up war!
Pool 1: How long will the war last? (From start of air war or declaration of war (whichever is first) to final surrender)

Pool 2: Will nuclear weapons of any kind be used?
Pool 2A: For the bomb bonus, pinpoint where and how powerfull the FIRST strike is.

Pool 3: Will Saddam still be in power after the war?
Fire STorm
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 07:38:03 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

To answer some of your questions, Questionaire (the questions which I couldn't answer because I either didn't have the answer or else knew it but wasn't permitted to reveal it have been snipped):

<<1-What mythology is Madoc Morfryn from? Is he suppose to be Satan/Lucifer Morningstar since according to the Gargoyles Council Episodes one of his aliases was as Ahriman/Ahrimedes. >>

Madoc was the name of Merlin's father in Welsh legend (although I later on found out that he was actually the father of a different Merlin than the one who advised King Arthur). He isn't actually Satan, of course - but he is a sort of "Satan-analogy" (closer, perhaps, to a Tolkienesque Dark Lord like Morgoth or Sauron than to a theological tempter).

<<2-Where did you guys get the idea of the Unseelie Court?>>

The Unseelie Court is a feature in Scottish faerie-legends.

<<3-Since Oberon is Zeus in Greek Mythology then are Poseidon and Hades his and Madoc's brothers? Does that mean that Avallach is Cronus?>>

We haven't addressed the issue of Poseidon and Hades yet (we played around with Madoc and Hades being one and the same, but Hades wasn't all that malevolent in Greek mythology). Avallach is indeed Cronus (although the Greek myths about Cronus must have gotten highly distorted, given that Avallach doesn't resemble Cronus in his various tyrannical tendencies, such as cannibalizing his own offspring).

<<If that is so what happened to the part where Zeus or Oberon made war upon Cronus or Avallach and overthrew him?
And does that also mean that Avallach castrated his father?>>

Most likely these tales are mythological distortion, and not based on fact in the TGS Universe.

<<4-Who exactly is the queen of the Dragons?>>

We'd been tending towards Tiamat from Babylonian mythology, but I'm not sure that we ever finalized an answer.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 07:25:08 PM
IP: 67.28.94.127

Ghost of Rev. Atilla; <has a right to worry about her father's well-being. > Thank you. Now don't tell me anyone of you wouldnt be the slightest bit worried if one of your parents were marching off to war. A war that sounds pretty fony to me at least. I mean, at first it sounded like "we gotta take on Saddam because that's the next 'logical' step in the war on terrorism". Now Bush has completely seemed to drop that and just whine about Saddam not wanting to disarm. By the way, what did ever happen to the war on terrorism, anyway?
<You wanna snarl, aim it at Sadaam and Jimmy Carter,...> Yes, I'll snarl at them And the current gov't, and Saddam and Osama and anyone else in a power position I can think of (I'm open to suggestions, in case I've left anyone out)and I will definetly snarl at who ever it was that had the bright idea that America shouldn't be able to just pick of a bad guy - to define bad guy, since it is open to anyone's opinion is some lunatic that would kill thousands of innocent people "just because" and would rather build, as Kai put it "WoMD" instead of looking out for his people. I just realized that under some circumstances or opinions or P.O.V's, Bush, Jr. could fit into that category, but under my definition he doesn't because I feel he is merely a puppet and his father's son.
Anyway, if we could just pick off Hussein, it would be soooo much more efficient, and far less messy. That and my dad is not a sniper, so all is well there. (yeah so I'm a little biased - that's why I'm getting out my little rant now and not gonna say anything more on the topic except to snarl when needed.)

Kaioto: <Iraq is considered to be a Republican war since both conflicts took place during the time a Bush (H.W. and W.) was in office> Then lets let the Republican diehards go fight and leave the rest of out of it. It can be their pet project. :)
<Saddam also tried to have the current president's father assassinated. World Wars have started over less.> I'm picturing Saddam and GWB in cowboy gear, with pistols and tumbleweeds having a shoot out at high noon. DRAW! Other than that, I did have a vage hope of us having learned at least a little bit from the past or at least being a little more civilized than the middle ages. Hey, maybe Saddam should make some lame crack about Barbara, and then GWB can call him out on the playground and beat him up for making a "your momma" joke.

DPH:<May I volunteer the exact coordinates of your house as a place to be bombed if/when Saddam Hussien launches a strike against the US? > "When/If" it happens, 39n, 86w. It's Indiana, and by the time he gets the capabilities to bomb America, I won't be living here anyway.

FireStorm the Flying Squirrel: <Don't worry. Sadam's 'unstoppable army' will be defeated in 4 weeks.> Yeah, but what I'm most nervous about isn't direct combat, but rather Persian Gulf Syndrome II. (I figure if we had Persian Gulf War I, with Persian Gulf Syndrome as the accompanyment, then we'll probably have Persian Gulf Syndrome II as the encore to this war.) I don't think I'm that ready to see someone virtually waste away at a madman's or the gov't's whims. :(

Holy cow, I just snarled at Tom Brokaw while watching the news...I think I need to relax.

BTW, I'm not a hippie nor am I democrat or republican. I'm just anti-moron.

Thanks all

Dezi
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 07:09:33 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

--------------TGS QUESTIONS--------------

1-What mythology is Madoc Morfryn from? Is he suppose to be Satan/Lucifer Morningstar since according to the Gargoyles Council Episodes one of his aliases was as Ahriman/Ahrimedes.

2-Where did you guys get the idea of the Unseelie Court?

3-Since Oberon is Zeus in Greek Mythology then are Poseidon and Hades his and Madoc's brothers? Does that mean that Avallach is Cronus?

If that is so what happened to the part where Zeus or Oberon made war upon Cronus or Avallach and overthrew him?
And does that also mean that Avallach castrated his father?

4-Who exactly is the queen of the Dragons?

5-Why exactly are Huitzilopochtli, Ictinke, Rangda and Anath unseelie lords? Huitzilopochtli was more of a hero in the aztec myths and legends and so was Anath who helped Baal fight Mot while Ictinke is practically harmless in the many Native American stories and making Rangda an unseelie lord over Kunkung and Atsuma is like dukes and barons bowing to a pauper.

6-In several TGS stories there are references to a raid made on the hangout of the unseelie halflings could anyone tell me in which episode it happened?

7-Were those Cthulhu looking monsters in Dragon Stone, the Space-Spawn that Nokkar was talking about in Sentinel?

Also how exactly was the Archmage able to get the stone? According to my books, these stones would only work if they were extracted from a living dragon?

8-In Darkest Hour there are mentions of twelve gargoyle clans(including Antarctica, Persian, Chinese, Japanese, English, Caledonian, Guatemalan, New Olympian and Manhattan clans) in the world not including the Labyrinth and Avalon clan so why aren't the three unnamed clans not represented in the Gargoyles Council? Were they all destroyed by unseelies?
The Questionnaire
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 06:57:43 PM
IP: 164.58.28.250

and before I forget. I'm looking for a two or three roomates for this year's gathering. Shoot me an e-mail if you're interested. :)
Gabriel "gaygoyle" - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 06:51:08 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Kai> <<Anti-Semetic racism is an issue France and Germany would rather turn a blind eye to, or turn into political capital, not confront.>>

Don't forget that the large majority of these Anti-Semetic uprisings were due in large part to the growing Muslim population in France (I dunno about Germany. Last time I talked to a German, she told me that Germany does it's hardest to erase any left-over Nazism, then again, she could secretly be an anti-semeite), and they had to due with matters over Israel. I think the last attack I read about was almost seven months ago, and it was a group of anti-zionist muslims who were attacking Synagogues in responce to something Israel did (I haven't read the paper recently, so I could have missed out on an attack). Anyways, it's not the general populace that's attacking synagogues and such, it's the extremist Muslisms.

<<They would like every Jew, Hindu, Christian, etc. in the entire world to die or convert to their way of thinking.>>

I don't know about the dying part. Mostly what I see going on is "Die, America, die!" not, "Die, Judeo-Christians-Hindus, die!" I remember when Britain was besieged breifly by terrorists, Britain withdrew any forces they had in the middle-east and never really had a problem with the Arab world thereafter until recently.

<<They want to end democracy and freedom which they consider to be "corrupting Western influences.">>

Yeah. But they're religiously justifies. The Quaran, like Judaism, is a legal religion and justifies a Theocracy. It's not modern in teh slightest, and neither is Judaism. No concept of Demoncracy or secular freedom in the slightest. The quaran says this is the law, and that's all they care about. The differance, though, is that Jews are in exile and await the Messiah so that they can justly set Israel back up, while Muslims don't even have a Messianic concept and can just about use any tactics to spread Islam and set up their Theocracies.

<<They want to fight the "Great Satan" of America any way they can, and use their tactics of brutal violence, repression, and media censorship to breed fanatics from their poor serf populations.>>

It's not like they a multi-billion dollar army like we do. They fight with what resources they have: their bodies and lives. Everyone talks about how bad suicide bombing are and such, but what else do they have? I'm sure if they had the sufficient amount of missles and such, they would gladly start a grand-scale war with the U.S. This is why you will never see Palestein wage a grand-scale war (and, no, I am not trying to spread anti-zionism). Propoganda is great, too. Convince the people they are dying for God and they'll hop right on; it worked in the crusades and it works today. As Jacques Ellul (Christian lay theologian and Sociologist) says in his book "Propoganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes", no government can funtion and survive without propoganda to lie to it's people about the goodness and legitamacy of their cause.

<<We have pacifists, seeking to stop the United States and Britain from attacking Iraq since the United States and Britain actually listen to pacifists while Iraq just shoots them. >>

Uhm, what? Since when? I see the U.S. moblizing troops at this very moment. That's not a very pacifist move, last time I checked. Am I missing something? And who is "them" referring to? The pacifist, or the master and his dog ;) ?

Anyways, my feeble opinion. :D
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 05:36:59 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Ghost of Rev. Atilla >>

Seriously though, how many times do you have to flagrantly breach a peace-treaty before it is socially exceptable for the other party to resume war on your government? We're on UN resolution #17 now. The Iraqi dictatorship used the previous 16 as toilet paper.

And now we have an exceptional crew of complete idiots volunteering to be human shields in Iraq. I wonder if any of the thousands of Western hostages Hussein took away from their families in 1991 after he conquered Kuwait are volunteering to go back? Take any guess? I'd bet the number is just a _little_ low.

That would indicate to me that these human-shields are not a great asset to the gene-pool merely fanatical apologists or anti-Americans powered by rhetoric and ignorance of the facts at hand.

Of course, I can't lay _all_ the blame at their feat. After all, politicians are playing a dangerous game on all sides of the issue to advance their political agendas. Pro-disarmament folks want to be heroes for the security of the world. Anti-war folks want to be heroes of peace.

But when it comes to the source of all these "informed" opinions for "peace" (which is really just peace for their interests, while Hussein continues to run a progrom in Iraq that would make Joe Stalin proud) I like to play "follow the bouncing ulterior motives."

USA - Um, these should be pretty obvious.

America is high on Iraq's hit list, and the hit list of many terrorists organizations that Saddam directly and indirectly supports with the oil-money that was supposed to buy his starving serfs food. Islamic Jihad and Hamas supporters get millions of dollars from Hussein while the Iraqi people starve, and then Saddam blames US and UN sanctions for their suffering.

Saddam also tried to have the current president's father assassinated. World Wars have started over less.

And then there is the simple fact that the United States lead the forces that drove Hussein out of Kuwait when he invaded his smaller neighbor to steal their oil fields back in the Persian Gulf War. After the Iraqi military almost completely surrendered without offering significant resistance, Saddam Hussein signed a peace agreement with the UN and the US withdrew. Saddam has since failed to keep the terms of that agreement, so the US is looking to pick up where they left off. After all, if there are no consequences for breaking a treaty with a country, the treaty is worthless.

The US also consumes more oil than any other country in the world, and Iraq is a huge member of OPEC. If Iraq experiences pro-US regime change, it could swing the world oil market in favor of the United States.

France - Yeah, these guys are _real_ foreign policy experts. Uh huh. Such an astounding track-record of altruism and effective diplomacy in the international theater. (Yes, that was sarcasm).

France is one of the two major nations whose ruling party has vested a huge amount of time and energy into establishing channels to get at Iraq's oil at rock-bottom prices, just as soon as they could phase out sanctions. This increased attention on Iraq's flagrant abuse of UN resolutions screwed that whole plan. France is going to kick and scream over anything that could remotely risk changing the government in Iraq and remove France's oil-ties. To hell with the peace treaty, UN resolutions, or the Kurds, women, and neighbors of Iraq. France wants oil and Iraq's willing to buy them off with it.

Germany -

Germany is also greedy for Iraqi oil with a huge developing economy due to reunification that it wants to boost during these ailing economic times. Of course, then there is the general underlying social hostility towards Jews and Americans that certain influential elements of the German populace still carry over from their Nazi days.

And then there is the whole last decade where France and Germany have both received huge increases in their Arabic populations as a voter demographic and have noted drastic increases in hate-crimes toward Jewish synagogs and citizens. Anti-Semetic racism is an issue France and Germany would rather turn a blind eye to, or turn into political capital, not confront. It worked for Hitler and the Vichi, after all. Hussein has taken a huge chunk of Iraq's money meant to feed his people and used it to fund supporters of Anti-Semetic terrorist organizations and then blamed starvation of UN sanctions. He's the current poster-boy for Arabic neo-Nazism.

The Arab World at Large -

Well, the dictatorships that have state-controlled fundamentalist Islam imposed on all the people and taught in all the schools have obvious motivations. They would like every Jew, Hindu, Christian, etc. in the entire world to die or convert to their way of thinking. They want to end democracy and freedom which they consider to be "corrupting Western influences." They want to fight the "Great Satan" of America any way they can, and use their tactics of brutal violence, repression, and media censorship to breed fanatics from their poor serf populations.

Some of the more advanced nations in the Middle East seek merely to keep foreign influences away from their oil cartel. Some people remember too well the Imperialist behaviors of Britain, France, Italy, and Germany during the 19th and early 20th centuries. Most, however, are only concerned with keeping the Cartel (one who Iraq is a top producer) under tight control to keep lining the pockets of the 0.001% of their country's population that owns all the wealth.

Russia -

Remember how I said France was one of the two nations that had set up the most extensive channels to buy up unregulated Iraqi oil? Well, Russia is the other member of the duo. Everything mentioned about about selling out the rest of the world to get a cheap rate on a lot of oil for France goes double for Russia, a country that is still politically unstable and economically starved due to the legacy of communism.

Beyond the nations with obvious ulterior motives, we have cause-heads.

We have the Euro-American Imperialist Racists who are seeking to do violence on Iraq simply because it has Arabs and Moslems in it.

We have the Eco-Nazis who simply want to stop fossile fuel consumption more than anything else in the world, including world hunger and poverty.

We have ignorant droves of American highschool students, college undergraduates, career acedemics, and political hacks whom have never worked an honest job in their lives trying to make up for missing the 60's.

We have the Republican party of the USA, who can claim a huge victory if they topple Saddam quickly and with minimal casualties and replace his government with something less threatening to America. Iraq is considered to be a Republican war since both conflicts took place during the time a Bush (H.W. and W.) was in office

We have the Democratic party of the USA, who can lay gigantic blame at the feet of an otherwise unassailable President and Congress of they can make dealing with Iraq costly. They want to increase the cost in time, money, political exposure, and some of them even hope for high casualties in a "ends justify means" rationale of overthrowing their rival party.

We have oil companies, looking for new prospects if Iraq has a regime change.

We have pacifists, seeking to stop the United States and Britain from attacking Iraq since the United States and Britain actually listen to pacifists while Iraq just shoots them.

We have Big Media of the USA, laughingstock of the international journalism community, trying to catch a big story and depose the political party that they have a huge disclosed political bias against (Republicans).

We have "alternative" media like Talk Radio and Fox News who make a living making Big Media out to be liars, taking the opposite side because it sells to their niche market.

Is there anyone out there who you can really trust to be informed, altruistic, and rational on the subject? I haven't found to many.

Myself, I refuse to trust the opinions of others, especially politicians, reporters, and mindless protesters. I'm distressed at all the group-think and partisan bickering going on coupled with the lack of rational assessment and criticism of what needs to get done.

Me, I'd like to see as non-violent a removal of Hussein's untrustworthy and brutal regime as possible. Then I wasn full - unimpeded - sweeps of Iraq by extensive UN forces to remove all facilities and materials used in research or building of WoMD. Unconditionally I want UN peace-keepers helping maintain stability while the Iraqi people go through the stages of rebuilding their government to permit a free society: new elections, rebuilding, food distribution, etc.

And if we got all of these things without bloodshed, the only people there would be plenty of people disappointed besides Hussein: Racists of all camps, fanatical environmentalists, OPEC, Russian, France, and Germany.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 04:11:31 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

DPH> In all fairness, Dezi has a right to worry about her father's well-being.

Dezi> You wanna snarl, aim it at Sadaam and Jimmy Carter, since he stabbed the Shah of Iran in the back, causing us to look to Sadaam. Not that the Shah was a good guy, but the Ayatollah was a thousand times worse.

And snarl at the UN who wouldn't let the US take out Sadaam right after the Gulf War.

Now, since we are showing soem force, a few governments have agreed to offer Sadaam asylum, and we accept that offer, so Sadaam can do us all a favor and leave Iraq. he can even take his horrid family and his billions and go move in with Sean Penn or Ghadaffi. He may of course take over Canada once he leaves Iraq, and force Celine Deon to sing the Iraqi National Anthem :)

The balls in Sadaam's court. Now for some Sadaam related humor:

Top Ten Signs Saddam Hussein Is Planning To Move To Your Neighborhood

10. While watching CNN your daughter exclaims, "That's the guy who brought my Girl Scout cookies!"

9. Predator drones circling overhead

8. Your mailman made a mistake and gave you a shipment of plutonium

7. Streets have fewer minivans, more tanks

6. Sign on lawn: "Trespassers will be gassed and tortured"

5. Sean Penn keeps coming over

4. Your address: 145 Murray Street; newspaper's headline: "82nd Airborne Deployed To 148 Murray Street"

3. At Home Depot, you notice four Saddam doubles arguing about carpet

2. In driveway, Humvee with license plate "Ruthless 1"

1. Classified ad seeks "The mother of all affordable split-level homes"

Top Ten Saddam Hussein Weekend Plans

10. Rake the sand

9. Speak to kids in the "Young Dictators" club

8. Put on Darth Vader mask, fly to Oakland and watch his beloved Raiders

7. Just to be safe, swap mustaches with Tariq Aziz

6. See Meryl Streep in "The Hours" and enjoy a good cry

5. Just kick it old school

4. A whole lot of posing for murals

3. Watch favorite Iraqi television show, "Ahmed Millionaire"

2. Turn on CNN to see if he's dead yet

1. "Hide the plutonium," if you know what I mean

All courtesy of David Letterman :)

ghost of Reverend Attila
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 09:58:38 AM
IP: 136.216.75.6

Dezi: 
Don't worry. Sadam's 'unstoppable army' will be defeated in 4 weeks.

Gside: <Endangerment, extortion, they might find evidence of a murder or three, possession of illegal weaponry.>
Or, at the very least, littering and disturbing the peace
<So I download the occaisonal furry porn. That isn't what makes me a freak. It's all the other stuff.>
As long as it isn't gay fursuit porn
<Depends on how you like it. Do you want absolute control over every bit, or do you want higher level structures?>
Hmm... I just want to create a nice interface for my motor control and sensor input system in Windows
<You at least try to play it first to make sure it wasn't cut off at a bad place or something?>
Yeah... after I download it. It's not like I have any of this stuff burned onto CDs or anything
<This isn't cautiousness, it's lazyness. I don't need it ye, so I'll get it later>
Oh, that's ok then
<It all has to do with what my computer thinks is the final source for the data. If I were to rig up a way to go through my eden account, it wouldn't count against me>
Then they will just shut down your Eden account
<There's only one girlfriend, and that doesn't stop her. They just hole up in his room if things get too freaky for them.>
"Hon... why is your roommate just standing there wearing only a sock and pointing a camcorder at us?"

Imzadi: <I've been up and down the 405, and there is no citrus city.>
Ah, so technicailly you take 5 north to 80, but 405 sounded better. And it's Citrus Heights. Names aren't important

That first interview after that would REALLY suck, wouldn't it?
"SO... it says here that you nearly succeeded in taking over the world... so why are you applying here at Microsoft?"
"I need more training before I can try again"
<World destruction would be attempted murder>
Hmm... or genocide. Start a war crimes tribunal for one person

Vanilla, eh? Sucks
<realized that the user has to be willing to learn it, otherwise its just a waste of time and money>
You have learned well, grasshopper
<As I said, you can still buy one. And you can mount it in your own boring beige ATX case if you want>
Those new aluminum ones are pretty cool, or I can always get one powder coated metallic red.
<I'd be impressed, but I have a mac>
Yeah. No one bothers to write virus's for macs. Not enough users to make it worth it! ;)

Greg Bishansky: <How many of aliens get into Heaven?>
6 (They converted after abducting the right people)
<The chances of Saddam Hussein launching a strike against the US are... 0. For one thing, he and his country wouldn't exist 24 hours later>
Saddam launches one nerve gas shell at US (it his an empty area of Virginia, angering a groundhog) US retaliates with a full nuclear strike powerful enough to turn Iraq into Lake America (Radiological danger! No swimming, No fishing. But stay and feel the glow! Get a tan at night!)

DPH: <Yes, it's about time I had the means at my disposable to enact revenge against those who gave me troubles in public school.>
I want revenge on the people that changed my senior will from "Taking YOU all with me" to "taking IT all with me"

No good links. Sorry
Fire Storm the Flying Squirrel
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 09:45:54 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

DPH> <<<>

What about aliens? For one thing this cannot be the only planet in the entire universe where intelligent life evolved. How many of aliens get into Heaven?

<<May I volunteer the exact coordinates of your house as a place to be bombed if/when Saddam Hussien launches a strike against the US?>>

The chances of Saddam Hussein launching a strike against the US are... 0. For one thing, he and his country wouldn't exist 24 hours later. As long as the foreign governments and dictators have *something* to lose, we are safe.

<<Yes, it's about time I had the means at my disposable to enact revenge against those who gave me troubles in public school.>>

But, what would Jesus think of that? Your thoughts are sinful... you're going to Hell with the rest of us ;)

BUD-CLARE> <<And you intend to do this how? With a time machine and a mindreading device?>>

Oh don't mind him. *Whispers: He's a Southern Baptist ;)
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 09:14:34 AM
IP: 216.179.3.29

Josh> <<Many political interest groups would disagree.>>
One of the many reasons why they suck.

<>
*snickers* Rudeness doesn't count?

<<I've heard its helpful to learn C first.>>
I don't think it matters, really. As long as you didn't jump straight into object-oriented programming, C++ shouldn't be any more difficult to learn. (Of course, I learned C first, so what the hell do I know?)

Spacebabie> <<Every series needs it‘s bad ass bitca.>>
It's the sluttiness that I had a problem with. Yick.

<<Hopefully her replacement will be twice as cool and not nearly as dumb>>
Meaning she won't be a criminal, or she won't get caught?

DPH> <<May I volunteer the exact coordinates of your house as a place to be bombed if/when Saddam Hussien launches a strike against the US?>>
*snorts* The problem here is that it's "if" if the US doesn't invade, and "when" if the US does. Bush's brilliant plan will turn a remote possibility into a near certainty.

<<My basis is determining the nominal Christians.>>
And you intend to do this how? With a time machine and a mindreading device?

<<Yea, I want to narrow the parameters down to just consider all the residents who live on a certain road and any street connected to that road (excluding the highways).>>
And you're planning on proving that how? Besides, even if you're right, dumb luck is nothing to brag about.

<<Didn't the person know that glue is toxic?>>
You really, really misunderstood... And do you really think that people give toxic glue to their kids?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 04:04:21 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Watched TV and did almost nothing else today. Well, I started a re-write of my personal statement, because my advisor said it lacked focus.

First classes tomorrow!

Stephen: <>: You'd be correct. <<you asked the question, so there's my answer.>>: Okay.

Spacebabie: <>: You bet. Wolf is totally the bitch. <<Was it the braids or the skirt that turned you on?>>: No one element is enough. Its the entire outfit. <<When my mom was born they only cost about 3 cents>>: Well then your mother is old, isn't she? <<Begin with Berkley>>: Good idea.

Fire Storm: <<Take the 405 north straight to Citrus City>>; I've been up and down the 405, and there is no citrus city. <<what's stopping you?>>; I don't have a degree yet. I want to get that first so I have something to fall back on in case I fail as a warlord. <<if he/she were arrested, what would they charge a supervillian with anyway?>>: Well that depends on what they were trying to do. World domination would probably be charged with treason. World destruction would be attempted murder. <>: Somehow, I don't think they'll believe me. <<Definitely leans towards bad>>: I prefer to think of myself as totally neutral. <<Coming from you, THAT's funny>>: Well, I'm starting to be more objective on the mac-PC thing. After switching my mom to OS X from OS 9, I've realized that the user has to be willing to learn it, otherwise its just a waste of time and money. <<there are people like me that absolutely refuse to buy a prebuilt tower>>: As I said, you can still buy one. And you can mount it in your own boring beige ATX case if you want. <<should I even bother with C or just go to C++?>>: I've heard its helpful to learn C first. <<What has being cautious gotten you?>>: Peace and Quiet.

Gside: <<what worked in C can work in C++>>: Yeah. <<The proper way to to indicate a non specific unix variant is UN*X>>: But isn't it the U that's usually changed? Maybe it should just be *N*X to include linux? <<Learn on the way>>: You're a computer geek, so I'll explain this to you slowly: most people don't care how their computer works, as long as it does. <<eventually your internal drive will be relatively teeny, and you have drives multiplicatively bigger on the outside>>: And who cares? <<Better graphics?>>: Actually that's not true. The iMac uses an AGP 4x GeForce4, which I could remove and replace. I'd void the warranty, of course, but you don't get much warranty with a do-it-yourself PC anyway. I'd have a devil of a time trying to change the graphics card in a Powerbook, though. Like most laptops, I think its soldered on. <<Endangerment, extortion, they might find evidence of a murder or three, possession of illegal weaponry>>: Not on my person! <<So I download the occaisonal furry porn. That isn't what makes me a freak>>: Um, yes it is.

DPH: <<mother>>: That was well written. My condolences. <<May I volunteer the exact coordinates of your house as a place to be bombed if/when Saddam Hussien launches a strike against the US?>>: I volunteer her house! <<Have you covered any rules about not starting campaigns on days you are emotionally distraught or the anniversary of any day that brings you sadness?>>: No, why? <>: Most RTF programs are sufficient. <<Any problem I could design for myself would inherintantly be easy for myself to solve>>: So you're not really that smart. The question is: can you easily solve any problem that ANYONE designs for you? <<Are you going to give them annoying pop-ads reminding them how benevolent your leadership is?>>: No, that would piss them off. <<it's about time I had the means at my disposable to enact revenge against those who gave me troubles in public school>>: Some engineer you are. <>: I'd be impressed, but I have a mac.

102. I will not waste time making my enemy's death look like an accident -- I'm not accountable to anyone and my other enemies wouldn't believe it.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 03:16:48 AM
IP: 64.170.152.15

Sunday was the anniversary of my grandmother's death. Tuesday is the anniversary of my mom's death. (I don't remember the dates; I'm not to the point of wanting to remember which day of the year it is.) Cheers to my mom, my greatest inspiration while she was living. I miss her a lot. *pauses* I've had dreams about her returning; I never wanted to let go. I still miss her. Yes, she was my greatest role model, someone to truely look up to. I learned more about her after she died than I knew while she was living . . . We planned my high school schedule together. . . We made lots of road trips together. Yes, I've accepted she is gone just because. But it still difficult for me to hear about others being saved from cancer by a "miracle".

Dezi - <Snarl to George Bush and our current government.> May I volunteer the exact coordinates of your house as a place to be bombed if/when Saddam Hussien launches a strike against the US?

Imzadi - Have you covered any rules about not starting campaigns on days you are emotionally distraught or the anniversary of any day that brings you sadness? <Typing is that difficult for you, huh?> No, I haven't used a "real" word processing program in a while. New versions of Microshaft products always move things around. <You claim to have great intelligence yet design problems for yourself that you can easily solve to prove this intelligence?> Ok, I'll concede defeat on that point. Any problem I could design for myself would inherintantly be easy for myself to solve. <100. To keep my subjects permanently locked in a mindless trance, I will provide each of them with free unlimited Internet access.> Are you going to give them annoying pop-ads reminding them how benevolent your leadership is?

Tony Elliot - < If you had a vile of Sevarius’s mutagenic serum, would you use it?> Yes, it's about time I had the means at my disposable to enact revenge against those who gave me troubles in public school.

Leo - <or happy "Lee-Jackson-King" day if you live in Virginia or any other "southern" state> Yea, I heard about a calendar last year from the Arkansas Fish & Game commission marking . . Robert E Lee Day.

BTW, I just recertified that my computer is VIRUS-FREE according to Trend-Micro's free online virus scan.

Bud-Clare - <Please tell me that you didn't mean that the way it sounded.> Well, what I am questioning is how many people were forced to attend church and lie about beliefs in order to stay alive. Afterall, remember King Constaine (spelling?) was crowned by church officials if my memory is right about the flashback from Avalon part 1? My basis is determining the nominal Christians. <Is syllabus really the right word, then?> That's my question. <It's only _other_ people's family members who abuse children. You can never, ever _truly_ prove a point right by using a smaller sample size. (Unless you're narrowing the parameters to go along with it.)> Yea, I want to narrow the parameters down to just consider all the residents who live on a certain road and any street connected to that road (excluding the highways). Said road is bordered by major highways on BOTH ends.

Lain - <non-toxic> LOL. Didn't the person know that glue is toxic?

Fire Storm - <Same. Do I write an essay on gravity or do I piece together 12 variables and figure out how to et 1g from circular acceleration (depending on the diameter and rotation speed)? Hmm... tough choice!> Yea, one of the perks of being a math major.

Gside - <Depends on how you like it. Do you want absolute control over every bit, or do you want higher level structures?> How about absolute control over every higher level structure?

Here I come to screw the day
(Did Mighty Mouse ever have an evil twin so that I can assign this quote to somebody?)
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 01:34:03 AM
IP: 204.94.193.63

Imzadi> <<But failed?>>: Probably in some things, but overall, what worked in C can work in C++.
<<*NIX>>: The proper way to to indicate a non specific unix variant is UN*X.
<>: Feh. Learn on the way.
<<Cursed humanities majors>>: Aye.
<>: Too many wires to be nice on the outside, annoying to deal with excessive numbers of added drives while pushing files around. That, and eventually your internal drive will be relatively teeny, and you have drives multiplicatively bigger on the outside.
<<Is there some feature you can get inside your Micron that I can't add externally to an iMac or Powerbook?>>: Better graphics?

Fire Storm> <<if he/she were arrested, what would they charge a supervillian with anyway?>>: Endangerment, extortion, they might find evidence of a murder or three, possession of illegal weaponry.
<<absolutely refuse to buy a prebuilt tower>>: Hallelujia.
<<Liking one is one thing, completely following a the sport is another>>: My father ignored sports most of his life until I got into Rutgers, then he had an old style school to follow. It annoys me.
<<Wereworld junkie!>>: So I download the occaisonal furry porn. That isn't what makes me a freak. It's all the other stuff.
<<should I even bother with C or just go to C++?>>: Depends on how you like it. Do you want absolute control over every bit, or do you want higher level structures?
<>: You at least try to play it first to make sure it wasn't cut off at a bad place or something?
<<What has being cautious gotten you?>>: This isn't cautiousness, it's lazyness. I don't need it ye, so I'll get it later.
<<But don't you take info from the proxy servers, which are local?>>: It all has to do with what my computer thinks is the final source for the data. If I were to rig up a way to go through my eden account, it wouldn't count against me.
<<Keep those pesky roommates from bringing their dates over>>: There's only one girlfriend, and that doesn't stop her. They just hole up in his room if things get too freaky for them.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:07:16 AM
IP: 198.151.130.244

Hey.
Bad news.
I just found out my dad is going to get to go to the Persian Gulf in like three weeks! His baby isn't even home from the hospital yet and he gets to take off!
Grrrrrrrr. Grrrrrrrrrr. Grrrrrrrr and Snarl to George Bush and our current government.

On a lighter note, I am now acting Photo Editor of the U of Indy Reflector (school paper). This is a step up from being Feature Editor, a position I really didn't like. I have applied formally for the Photo Editor position, and the future looks bright there.

Josh: <They play for millions of dollars, not the glory of your city, and they could move at the drop of a hat. Where's the loyalty? > For example, the Indianapolis Colts, who packed up and ran away from Baltimore in the middle of the nite, back in the day, have now demanded $10 million from the city of Indianapolis for a new stadium or they will leave, probably to LA. This is kinda funny and sad, because the owner, Jim Irsay, is one of the richest guys in town, and had a fight with neighbors about whether or not he can build a private helicopter pad on his property (he can't - noise disturbance, so he has to use the local airport like the rest of us lowlives). Meanwhile, homeless shelters and battered women shelters are closing and severe cutbacks are in place for Indy public schools because the city and the state is in a bad budget crunch. This team can't even sell out a home game with the promise of being on CBS! A bigger stadium will only look emptier.

Spacebabie: <Of course now I refere to him as: The Boy, The Troll, The Jerk, The idiot, The Boy who ain't right and GB's suggestion Brokedick. > My brother is known as Stupid (to the point that he naturally responds), Turd, Retard (or simply Tard - not to be confused with Turd), and most often as Dumbnut. After all these years he doesn't seem to mind as much.

* I've got my spine, I've got my Orange Crush - REM
Dezi
Monday, January 20, 2003 11:01:58 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Imzadi: <Which way!?>
Take the 405 north straight to Citrus City, hang a right and drive on until you see the clouds of fire.
<Just make that your login name 8-)>
Well then, that would just be asking for it!
<Check.>
Hmm... Let's see... Cat, followers, chair, superweapon... So what's stopping you?
Say, if he/she were arrested, what would they charge a supervillian with anyway?

Hmm... maybe I should hide the book from her!
<Hopefully not too often>
A little too often for some people.
<Only two?>
Well, only two are still alive. The others had unfortunate 'accidents'

"What's up with you?"
"Oh, I am a doctor. What about you?"
"I took over the entire world"

I am not so completely sure about that. I mean, while people can be taught to be good or bad, I believe that everyone already has some predisposition to being either good or bad. Take you, for example. Definitely leans towards bad. And look at me. I definitely have predispositions to the dark side, BUT what I have learned makes me want to lean towards the good side. I think who you are when you are born and what you become is a matter of predisposition, learning, and of choice.
<Boy it would really suck if you saved up and bought one and didn't like it.>
Coming from you, THAT's funny!
<Argh this is such a frustrating myth>
Well, you pointed out the one thing: The base motherboard and processors are not readily available for upgrades, and there are people like me that absolutely refuse to buy a prebuilt tower.
<I'm sorry, but I just can't bring myself to care about this. In fact, I can't even comprehend cheering for a team simply because they happen to play within 20 miles of you>
I simply cannot understand the complete devotion some people have towards sports. Liking one is one thing, completely following a the sport is another.
<They play for millions of dollars, not the glory of your city, and they could move at the drop of a hat>
Detroit lions, a small example. The moved from Pontiac about 30-40 miles south back to Detroit

Gside: <Not a bad file, but I prefer the one with the cat 'taur and the bipedal horse.>
Wereworld junkie!
<Object orientation, mostly. C is a slightly nicer looking assembly language, C++ is a high level language that tried to be backwards compatable with C.>
Hmm... So... should I even bother with C or just go to C++?
<Not quite. I prefer to watch it first, for bad frames and whatnot>
Ahh... As for me, I download it all and let Dog sort it out.
<I'll wait until I get off the network to look one up>
Bah! What has being cautious gotten you?
<If my computer tries to talk to any other Rutgers computer, it doesn't count. If my computer either gives or takes data from an outside computer, it couts agains the appropriate limit.>
Ok. But don't you take info from the proxy servers, which are local?
<Same here, except for the occasionally.>
Keep those pesky roommates from bringing their dates over.

Spacebabie: 
Not in public!

Patrick TOman/ Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.: <Avalon Mists>
What is the URL for Avalon Mists?
Fire Storm
Monday, January 20, 2003 09:42:54 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Hello,

Well, I've been wrapping up school. I hot on graduating this June. Good to hear about Bad Guys can't wait to see it. In other news I've watched this mounting writer's block grow with eahc passing day.
Taleweaver
Monday, January 20, 2003 06:27:24 PM
IP: 24.205.124.150

How did a frog get in my room on Friday? I’m not talking about a French person, but your bug eating hopping croaker. I picked up a bunch of cats and put them out of the room and then picked up the frog. There were no scratches or bite marks on it, but there were some cat hairs sticking to it. So I guess that one of the cats played with it gently. I released the frog outside.

Naming a kid after you..Well both my Dad and brother have the same name. My brother has the II attached to his name. To avoid confusion we called him by his nickname "Buster"
Of course now I refere to him as: The Boy, The Troll, The Jerk, The idiot, The Boy who ain't right and GB's suggestion Brokedick.
********Spoilers for Golden Globes*******
Bleh not much of an event this year. No one stuck in the bathroom, no one getting weepy and offering their award to someone else, no one got wasted

Two Towers lost out to Nicole Kidman in a fake schnoz
**************End Spoilers*********
Replies

Bud Claire<<<But he was so cute.>>>True, but I thought Lindsey was cuter.<<>>Every series needs it‘s bad ass bitca. She‘s the closest thing in Angel to Demona.

Mooncat>>>No problem about the confusion. I understand.

Winterwolf<<<Almost missed that one. ::yawn:: GunJack definitely GunJack. ^_^ >>>Ah but I thought Dreamie wore the pants in your relationship?

Josh<<>>Neener I already have one.<<<Plot contrivance device.>>>Better than having his mom or Pete saving him.<<<She was hot in the Fred outfit 8-) >>>Was it the braids or the skirt that turned you on?<<<Stamps for all this crap are expensive too!>>>When my mom was born they only cost about 3 cents.<<<Thank you. Not sorry I missed that.>>>It’s going to get heavier this Monday.<<<Yup>>>By the tone of your typing I can tell you were proud.<<<Hopefully he pitched me to the talent scout>>>I bet that must have hurt if they didn’t catch you. <<<. So far its a "why America pisses me off" rant.>>> Begin with Berkley

Talewaver<<<What's happening in here and the realm of fanfiction?>>>TGS is working on bAD GUYS. I know Christine has a new story due…and I have a story that will come out sometime this week.

Yay A big ol Aaron post this week! Post more often dude.

GXB<<>>Aw man. HUGGGGGGGG! Hopefully her replacement will be twice as cool and not nearly as dumb

Firestorm<<>>I bet that makes LM very happy.

Stephen<<<DAMNIT, BUCCANEERS WON THE NFC CONFERENCE!!!>>>Give it up for the Pirate team!!!! About Av Mists. Do you still do the character profiles?

Patrick<<<Are there ever going to be any more issues of the Avalon Mists webzine?>>>Yeah I’ve been wondering that also.

18. “The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.” ~Mignon Mclaughlin

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando , FL, U.S.A
Monday, January 20, 2003 01:37:14 PM
IP: 67.24.93.79

Stephen > That loyalty you have to the Bucs is all well and good. I would just caution you, though, to not delude yourself into thinking it will always be shared by the team. The sad reality of pro sports today is that "any given Sunday" another city could come along with a shiny new stadium and a fistful of cash and woo "your" team away to a distant part of the country. It's happened before, and it's going to happen again, and if it strikes in your home town, there won't be a darned thing you can do about it. I've seen it happen first hand, and no amount of fan loyalty managed to stop Art Model from turning the Cleveland Browns into the Baltimore Ravens. Cleveland had to fight long and hard just to keep the old colors and the name... and we still went two whole seasons without a team at all before the NFL expansion threw us our Dawg bone.

I could talk about Jim Thome's recent defection from the Indians to the Phillies, too. Supposedly, he was one of the most "loyal" members of the team... at least until Philadelphia put enough zeros in their offer. But that's a rant for another day.

Also, re: Avalon Mists - I've been patient. I waited for the Fall 2002 quarterly issue and it never came. Nor has Winter 2002 / 2003 arrived yet. Patience only lasts so long... after a while you start wanting to just snatch the pebble from the hand. :P
Patrick Toman
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:37:02 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Got the day off, just means I have more time work on art stuff without other classes getting in the way. Plus I need to wash the War Wagon.

Lain- Life just does not get any better. Well the only bright side I can say is when you do pics the resolution will appear better, if that's a plus.

Gside- The dark side indeed.

Patrick- The reason we don't incorporate other countries into our sports is because of 2 reasons. Number one: likes/dislikes. Every other country in the world loves soccer or real football except the US. Everytime other countries try our football or other sports it never lasts. Anyone else remember the World League? Now baseball is a possibility because it does include Canada and probably will include Mexico some day as well. the second problem is the legality. Have you ever watched the Little league World Series? The bigest problem with it is keeping the other countries from cheating. For them it's age. For profesionals it would be spiking equipment, doing something to the field, having to deal with fans that there is no controling if you have ever watched a World Cup. The owners look at it as a cost factor and it just would not be popular for the cost of having to play other countries.

Greg- that sucks hard :(

Spacebabie -*cuddles* mmmmmm, I can harldy wait till break.

Taleweaver- then you needs to get your booty in here more often

Later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:15:51 PM
IP: 129.120.233.19

JOSH - <<Football: I'm sorry, but I just can't bring myself to care about this. In fact, I can't even comprehend cheering for a team simply because they happen to play within 20 miles of you. They play for millions of dollars, not the glory of your city, and they could move at the drop of a hat. Where's the loyalty?>>

Well, from my standpoint as a fan of Tampa Bay, I can best respond to this by just stating the facts:

- First, you have to understand the history of the franchise. When the Bucs were first established back in 1976(?), they proceeded to establish the record for the Worst Franchise Start Ever in the history in the NFL: they went 0-14 for two years straight. This pretty much put the onus on them as being the NFL's - and the NFC Central's - whipping boy for a lot of years. The only time the Bucs ever had the chance to shake this was back in 1979 (back in the days of the "Orange Crush"), and then again back in 1999... only to be stopped both times by the Rams.

So, considering the fact they made it NOW, here in 2003, speaks a lot for a team that has not only taken abuse by their peers, but also by the so-called "fans" that only associate the team with their location in Tampa...

- Second, I come from a family that has an unwritten credo: "Stand by your chosen team, and always be faithful.".

Ever since the franchise began, my father - who was an avid fan of the Bucs himself - instilled in myself and my twin sister the loyalty to the team. This was OUR team! Other kids chose to like the Bears, Lions, Cowboys, Redskins, Rams, etc. etc. etc. ... but, considering we lived most of our lives in Tampa, it was a godsend that we won the right to have a NFL franchise homebased out of our hometown. That year, Dad got me and sis our first Buc Jerseys, and told us that no matter what - come win or loss - we had to show our support for this team. With out it, who knew what would happen? Even back then there was speculation that if the team wasn't supported, the NFL would remove it to some other town (and granted, this was just the speculation of two young kids, not the actual fact of what the NFL would have actually done).

So, even with the dismal start of the Bucs first two seasons, and dispite all of the constant jeers and ribbing we got for supporting the Bucs, we and other people like us have never stopped being loyal.

Even when the Glaziers took over the ownership of the team from the former Culverhouse Family - and, yes Josh, there was some speculation that the Glaziers would move the team to Orlando or some other locale - Sis and I still showed our support. We were among the many that send a message to the Glaziers, telling them to keep the franchise in Tampa. This is where it started, this is where it belonged.

And, for whatever reason you chose to name, the Bucs stayed.

- And finally, You say the men playing in Pro Ball play for millions, not out of loyalty... well, it's true they get ridiculous paychecks to play, but I point to people like Shaun King, John Lynch and many others on the Bucs team... sure, even when they were losing, it would have been good money-wise thinking to look for greener pastures on other teams (and I know a lot of teams that would pay double hand-over-fist to get players of Pro-Bowl caliber)... but Shaun grew up in St. Petersberg... well within the 20-mile limit you quoted, and yet he chose to play for the Bucs, and still does, even though he's only the second-string. And Lynch has been with the team for nearly 10 years. By then, most other players - still not seeing a Championship title - would have moved on. Not Lynch. He stayed because he loves this team, and the people that support it.

Granted, this doesn't cover for the hundreds of other players on the other teams all over the NFL... after all, people play for different reasons. But, where the Bucs are concerned, They've shown loyalty and perserverance and pride in themselves and in the REAL fans that support them... not just the ones that just jumped on because they were winning games, but the ones that have remained on the bleachers and in the stadiums even during the lowest points in the teams history...

Now, even after all of that, I know you may still not care... it's your choice. But, you asked the question, so there's my answer. 'Nuff Said.

PATRICK - RE: Avalon Mists - Patience, weed-hopper...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa Bay, FL, USA
Monday, January 20, 2003 11:51:09 AM
IP: 65.35.132.55

Tony: Well, looks like someone just made me a liar. Apparently, you can find both processors and motherboards online, just not from Apple (sonnet and macresq are two such sources).
Josh
Monday, January 20, 2003 03:22:33 AM
IP: 64.168.28.239

Okay, I think the personal statement is done. Anyone want to read it and critique it?

Just kidding.

Football: I'm sorry, but I just can't bring myself to care about this. In fact, I can't even comprehend cheering for a team simply because they happen to play within 20 miles of you. They play for millions of dollars, not the glory of your city, and they could move at the drop of a hat. Where's the loyalty?

Lain: <<never EVER again will i spend a penny on a new computer that ISNT a mac>>: Boy it would really suck if you saved up and bought one and didn't like it.

Bud-Clare: <<You can never, ever _truly_ prove a point right by using a smaller sample size>>: Many political interest groups would disagree. <<If I ask, will I regret it?>>: No, but I don't remember the exact quote.

Gside: <<C is a slightly nicer looking assembly language, C++ is a high level language that tried to be backwards compatable with C>>: But failed? <<If my computer tries to talk to any other Rutgers computer, it doesn't count. If my computer either gives or takes data from an outside computer, it couts agains the appropriate limit>>: Berkeley had the same rules. <<You must branch out>>: NEVER! <<Don't go to that dark side, try a straight unix variant>>: Um, no. *NIX is not that user friendly. Lain isn't a computer person. As much as I love hearing about programmers whose grandmothers use KDE, it just ain't happening. A slick GUI and "it just works" are better than "I had my friend come over and set it up for me, and now I have to hope that it never breaks cuz I have no idea how to fix it". <<Make people more confused in their counting>>: Cursed humanities majors.

Tony Elliot: <<If you had a vile of Sevarius’s mutagenic serum, would you use it?>>: Only if I could get a job working remotely or had a family inheritance to live off of. I know my friends would still accept me, but new employers wouldn't. <<knew that there was no God>>: No one ever said the Gargoyles universe had no god. <<Everyone is born with a sense of right & wrong>>: I wasn't. And I don't think anyone else is. Ethics are taught, not genetic. <<didn’t know that>>: Apple keeps everything secret until the minute its released. They sue people who violate the non-disclosure agreements. <<Whats with all the “i” stuff?>>: Its just the current naming trend, and it indicates that its for consumer use. As in "I do it myself, without tech supports help." <<what I really HATE that you cant upgrade the computers>>: Argh this is such a frustrating myth. First of all, you obviously have no clue about the entire Apple product line. iMacs are not SUPPOSED to be upgraded. The whole point is that you NEVER have to screw with it. The laptop lines can have RAM and HD's upgraded, just like any other laptop. The G4 tower is fully upgradeable. I've added new media drives, PCI cards, hard drives, and ram. You can customize the fans, overclock the processors, whatever. Its true that G4 chips and motherboards are not independently available from Motorola. Plus, I don't understand what's wrong with using external upgrading (USB and Firewire). Is there some feature you can get inside your Micron that I can't add externally to an iMac or Powerbook? <<grand total $423>>: Another myth: you assume that Apple is the only source for computer parts. Lots of other companies make RAM, HD's, media drives, video cards, etc. For the most part, these are completely interchangable with PC parts. <<Ya’ cant do dat’ with a mac!>>: If I really needed a new motherboard for my mac, I could find one on pricewatch or ebay. But since my Mac will last 5-6 years and still be able to do everything I need it to do, I don't imagine I'll need that. Plus, my "off the shelf" machine gets lots of support from Apple if anything screws up. You can spend $423 every year upgrading your machine and at the end my mac's 5 year life, it will have cost you MORE than a mac! Think not? Try billing yourself $5/hour for the time you spend troubleshooting Windoze. Is your time worth more or less than $5/hour? <<Why can’t I find this more in the real world!>>: If smart people were in the real world, we wouldn't have laws like the DMCA or microsoft getting off scot-free after the antitrust trial.

And after that, I'm off. Damn mac myths.

101. I will not order my trusted lieutenant to kill the infant who is destined to overthrow me -- I'll do it myself.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, January 20, 2003 01:59:45 AM
IP: 64.173.21.174

I think this is top 10 therefore it is -- descartes
silvadel
Monday, January 20, 2003 01:47:13 AM
IP: 208.59.133.50

Top 10!!
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:49:52 AM
IP: 204.94.193.28

Just saw a BMW 5 series commercial, Keith David voiced it, very classy… but of course you already knew that.

The RPG I’m in, Gargoyles: Guardians of Edinburgh, is starting to pick up the pace. If anyone is looking for a good way to kill some time, we could still use a few more players.
http://groups.msn.com/GargoylesGuardiansofEdinburgh/messages.msnw - or click my name.

So far Equality has been my favorite episode, but now Sacrifices takes first place. It’s nice to have a longer story (2 episodes for those who don’t remember) but it’s Sharon’s decision to use the mutagen that takes the cake. TGS being what it is, I don’t expect Claw to die; but for the sake of believability, at least something serious is happening to a supporting character. I don’t dare look ahead in the stores; for that would spoil my fun… I get the feeling Dr. Goldblum will be able to revert Sharon, but not be able to do anything for the rest of the mutates. I think I’ll take a break from TGS, and read part II of Mooncats’s GNL Transitions – thanks again MC!
Is there any fan art of what Sharon looked like before and after the mutation?

I’ve always been fascinated by the idea of mutation, metamorphosis, and shape shifting. Even though the human body is capable of doing many things, the fantasy that it could be changed and enhanced is quite alluring. It’s fun to imagine what we could be capable of if we had more limbs, speed, strength, etc. I’m going to make the assumption here that I’m not the only one here who feels this way. The drive for perfection is built into us, and one of those drives is for a perfect body. At least it’s good to know that the most enhanced form we could imagine ourselves in probably won’t even come close to comparing with what new bodies will be like upon our resurrection into heaven. Until that time comes though, the best one can do is absorb themselves in a good fantasy like Gargoyles, or maybe become a superior life form in their dreams. If you’re lucky enough to be a lucid dreamer, this probably happens more often than the rest of us who don’t have that ability. I’ve never had any luck with lucid dreaming. :(

I want to pose a question to the CR: If you had a vile of Sevarius’s mutagenic serum, would you use it?
I’ll be the first to answer –
In this universe, the real universe, I would use the mutagen only if there was reversing agent. I’d love to experience life with an enhanced body for a little while, but I definitely would want to go back to normal at some point.
If I was living in the Gargoyles universe rather than the real one and knew everything about the Clan and the Mutates and the Clones, knew that there was no God and there was race of Fey; I probably would take the mutagen even if there was not a reversing agent. In the Gargoyle universe, I would be a great adventure to work along side the Clan, and make a new family in the Labyrinth.

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Greg Bishansky
If you drive an SUV or a minivan, you're supporting Saddam Hussein ;)
Don’t forget pickup trucks
<…a response to someone who said you can't have morality without religion>
It’s an interesting response from Straczynski. Now mine: You CAN have morality without religion. Everyone is born with a sense of right & wrong. The base of just about every society’s law structure is based on the sense of right and wrong which is programmed into every human. Children are in touch with this sense and it tends to fade with age as people learn how to ignore it. The real questions are why does everyone have this sense of right and wrong AND where does it come from.
< There is no bashing of religion here ((When was the last time you heard of an atheist car bombing an embassy because he thought it would bring him closer to the void? When was the last time you heard of an atheist murdering his entire family because he *didn't* hear the voice of god talking in his head? When was the last time you heard of an atheist declaring a crusade or a jihad or a pogrom?)) >
Sounds like a bash to me :)

Godiva (crazy)
<Call me crazy, but I *wish* it would snow here>
We haven’t had much snow this year. Instead of winter’s magical white beauty (I’m being sarcastic) its just brown and dead looking around here. Snow is nice for a while, but would you really want to live in it? “No” you say, well me either.

Josh
<You should know that no one knows what Apple has developed>
Nope, didn’t know that. I never really cared much either.
<Quick is irrelevant. Comfort and features are more important 8-) You can only go 80 MPH on the freeways anyway>
Well, if that’s your attitude, then get a sedan, not a roadster.
<iTunes and iMovie>
iMac, iPod. Whats with all the “i” stuff?
I don’t care for the look and feel MAC OS’s, but what I really HATE that you cant upgrade the computers. I had a Micron PC that was purchased a few years ago; it was a good machine then, but is below acceptable performance standards now. I went on pricewatch.com ordered a new motherboard, cpu, and ram… grand total $423. Now it’s just as fast any brand new off the shelf machine. Ya’ cant do dat’ with a mac! I’ve said it before… I don’t hate macs, but they aren’t the computer for me.

DPH
<they should hire the most popular Star Trek novelists .. instead of using the same old writers... random sample of trekkies to evaluate the premise of the series. That should produce the high quality series that will bring in the ratings >
Paramount studios needs more people like you around.
Trekkies is an insulting word. Trekers is the common word for Trek fans.

That’s cheeeeaaaaaaaaap! cheap! CHEAP! At MSOE, in downtown (an oxymoron) Milwaukee, we can either park on the metered streets for $1/hour or pay $65/month for a garage.

Green Barron
<Do you attend other churches? I'd say go ahead and be a member>
I will if someone invites me to go with them, but I pretty much only go to Elmbrook Church. I was a Lutheran, but the denomination seemed out of touch with reality; so I switched to Elmbrook. I thought about membership, but I’m moving to a warmer climate in another year when I’m out of college.

This CR abounds with common sense! Why can’t I find this more in the real world!

Hyperion
<www.flashbunny.org>
Funny link. Thanks.

Spacebabie
<SPOILERS FOR BOSTON PUBLIC - Ewwwww - SPOILERS END>
Ewwwww indeed! No one should sleep with someone twice as old as they are!

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI, Milwaukee, WI, Home of the naturally condensed liquid nitrogen!
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:41:25 AM
IP: 65.29.159.249

Fire Storm> <<put 2_men_1_in_panda_fursuit_1_in_cat_Fursuit.mov>>: Not a bad file, but I prefer the one with the cat 'taur and the bipedal horse.
<<What's the difference between C and C++?>>: Object orientation, mostly. C is a slightly nicer looking assembly language, C++ is a high level language that tried to be backwards compatable with C.
<<And you aren't doing that already?>>: Not quite. I prefer to watch it first, for bad frames and whatnot.
<<Is next semester your last? When does your current semester end?>>: Actually, my next semester doesn't start until tuesday. I only just got back in my dorm today. If you wonder why I had been saying I was in Piscataway, it's because I autofilled the submit comment form, and forgot to change my city.
<<Ah, ya need a script that monitors it>>: I'll wait until I get off the network to look one up.
<<Someone sets up in your dorm and it is used for classmate-to-classmate ICQ traffic?>>: If my computer tries to talk to any other Rutgers computer, it doesn't count. If my computer either gives or takes data from an outside computer, it couts agains the appropriate limit.
<>: Same here, except for the occasionally.

Leo> <<or was that Gside>>: Not I, but how about this: a Pokemon doujin using Fist of the North Star characters in costumes: http://k501.vix.us/518pokemon/1.htm No porn except for the ad banners.

Imzadi> <<No, my answer is NEVER>>: You must branch out. At least vary your refutations on the nature of the questions.

Lain> <<never EVER again will i spend a penny on a new computer that ISNT a mac>>: Don't go to that dark side, try a straight unix variant.

Leo> <<Post tomorrow, or after the top ten is done, whichever comes first>>: Go ahead and post during the top ten. Make people more confused in their counting.

And an odd little piece from Final Fantasy Unlimited. Tyrant's Dining Table.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:19:57 AM
IP: 198.151.130.244

Oh, Happy MLK Jr. Day!

(or happy "Lee-Jackson-King" day if you live in Virginia or any other "southern" state)
Leo
Yorktown, Va
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:07:10 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

eight
Josh
Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:45:23 PM
IP: 64.173.21.174

7th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:36:38 PM
IP: 198.151.130.244

Sixth.
Bud-Clare
Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:18:17 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Fourth!... My first top 10... I'm so happy!
Post tomorrow, or after the top ten is done, whichever comes first.
Tony Elliot
Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:12:58 PM
IP: 65.29.159.249

4th or 5th.
Leo
Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:11:16 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Third! :: flag ::
Patrick Toman
Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:06:35 PM
IP: 67.38.246.17

SECOND!!
Fire Storm and Lady Mystic
Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:04:11 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

FIRST!!!
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, January 19, 2003 10:59:10 PM
IP: 216.179.3.29