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“And no, there will be no stories of Goliath or anyone else in the clan travelling to the Middle-east to hunt down Osama bin Laden or any other terrorists.” – Greg Bishansky

Personally, I'm surprised you even believed you had to say that.

“Its all staff-only information” – Josh

*nods* Thank you for telling me that.

“A story about September 11 would be more likely to deal with the gargoyles' shocked response to the destruction but not get them involved in the action” – Todd Jensen

Personally, I've an inkling, were the television show ot have existed, the Manhattan Clan will have at least wanted to attempt to help in maybe the recovery efforts or something. After all, they protect the city; they failed, though it's definitely not their fault. But maybe that's how they'd feel first off --- maybe. I'm only speculating about beings that doen't even exist.

Apologies to any I offend.

I think my questions have all been answered now. I thank those that took the time to do so.
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 8, 2003 09:44:27 PM
IP: 67.115.72.238

Well I begin clearing next week. By the end of the month I'll be out of the Army. It's hard to believe that it's been almost three years.

Green Baron- I keep my Neck gator in the pocket of my gortex. My time in Korea taught me well.

Has anyone played Devil May Cry 2? It's incredible. I can't get enough.

Spacebabie- You should see Fort Lewis. Just about every week there is either anti-war or military support rallies outside our gates.

Well Gotta go
Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Saturday, February 8, 2003 07:41:58 PM
IP: 172.190.165.8

Bill Gates (Microsoft), Warren Buffet (Berkshire Hathaway), Paul Allen (Microsoft), Six members of the Walton family (Wal-Mart), Luarrence Ellison (Oracle), Steven Ballmer (Microsoft), Michael Dell (Dell). These are the names that top out the Forbes "400 Richest Americans" list. In the "Gargoyles" universe, we could likely expect to find David Xanatos' name nestled right there among them. Yet not a one of these top movers and shakers of capitalism has been personally targeted by al Qaeda... dspite the fact, even, that there are a heck of a lot more Wal-Marts around than there are World Trade Centers and Pentagons. So why would Xanatos be any different? It's just not logical, IMO.
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 8, 2003 06:53:37 PM
IP: 67.38.241.45

Re the events of September 11 - we haven't done too much discussion on that, but it doesn't look as if we're going to get the cast directly involved in the events (if for no other reason than that it would be in danger of trivializing the real people involved in the events, particularly the police and firemen at the World Trade Center). A story about September 11 would be more likely to deal with the gargoyles' shocked response to the destruction but not get them involved in the action.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 8, 2003 06:52:24 PM
IP: 65.57.62.212

Question: I'm not that flexible. But if I were...no.
Josh
Saturday, February 8, 2003 06:41:30 PM
IP: 66.125.229.72

DPH>

Demona, Morgana, Vlad Dracul or Thailog since they might sympathize with what happened at the WTC and I do know the head of TGS is a big fan of the guy who wrote Babylon Five and Amazing Spider-Man so you guys might want to do a copy cat of that Marvel story with the bad guys getting all teary eyed over the whole thing despite the fact that Magneto, Dr. Doom and the Kingpin have probably done far worse.

the Ultra-Pack are American afterall and psychos like them do have strange quirks. See the Captain America and Batman crossover to see what I mean.

the remaining unseelies specifically Garlon might want to bring OBL in to curry favor with the Illuminati and Garlon is I think still a member of the all seeing eye.

Harthoth&Isfet are situated in the Middle East and Harthoth might want to bring Osama in after all he helped destroy Apep's tangible form while under the dragon's servitude showing us he still has some good.

King Arthur is a king and general do gooder in the TGS reality.

the Persian Clan are located in Arabia and they might want to bring OBL in with the whole gargoyles protect crap.

the Bad Guys are headed by the director who happens to be an American public servant

the Illuminati probably think that OBL is harming them or their future plans

Josh>Why don't you go fuck yourself?
Question
Saturday, February 8, 2003 06:08:50 PM
IP: 216.170.210.215

You know, DPH, for someone who claims to be as intelligent as you do, I'm really amazed that you weren't able to figure out how to check the CR to see if you had already posted, just for the sake of adding blue color and your name.
Josh
Saturday, February 8, 2003 05:52:30 PM
IP: 66.125.229.72

If this is a double post, sorry, I forget to fill in the forms.

1st, a good part of this part was typed Friday night and saved until I had a good night's sleep so I could check this post for spelling errors.

Guardian - <meaning so TGS would be --- 'obligated' to incorporate 9-11 into an episode to follow the Master Plan> I'm not touching this issue except to say I very strongly believe that the Eyrie Building would not have been targeted. <o, yeah, whoever pointed that out to me, can't remember your name off-hand, thank you.> You're very welcome.

Green Baron - <May a holographic gril jump out of a holgraohic cake for you> ok, just because I gave up my "I'm a moralist" card, doesn't mean that all of my moral values were thrown out the window. Thanks for remembering. <which make milk cost more than it should> Mind you be, I prefer milk from *US* cows. Simply put, I believe that milk from cows in the US has less risk of contamination than imported milk. (Yes, if somebody offers me evidence to the contary, I'll reconsider my opinion) <As for race, I think there needs to be mor einter-racial couples.> I have *ZERO* problems with inter-racial couples. Anytime I hear anybody saying the bible is against blacks and whites get married because of cultural differences, I have to ask if that same standard applies to US citizens marrying internationals. Yep, unless a glass ceiling is encountered. <A friend of mine Kenneth Polite was the first studnet from my HS to be Louisina Boys State Governor and he was Valedictorian and got a free ride to Harvard from all the scholarships he earned. He's probably finsihed Georgetown Law by now. I haven't checked. Kenneth is also black and when he went to Harvard some liberal damnyankees told him he was in Harvard because he is black; well not as bluntly, but they gave that impression.> That's sad, but that situation can create that type of thinking. <Winthrop Rockefeller (pro-civil rights Governor of Arkansas)> Yea, something to be proud about in Arkansas. <Now of course, also find eveidence wehen Clinton used the n word> Can I offer a small comment? I overheard some African-Americans talking to each other and heard that word used. <Before running for President, Clinton, Gore, Jesse Jackson, Ted Kenendy and Dick Gephardt were all pro-life,> I remember that Clinton suddenly flipped on the abortion issue when he ran for national office. Now which side was he really on: pro-death or pro-life?

Aaron - <Happy belated birthday, DPH.> Thanks.

Friday, I had 1 essay test, 1 multiple choice test, 1 quiz, and 1 open note/book quiz.

**IDIOCY IN COLLEGE**
My Business Stats class is becoming a joke. How so? Instead of memorizing formulas, students are learning how to use their calculators to solve homework problems. All that this is teaching is dependency on technology. This is basically the dumbing down of classrooms.
**END IDIOCY IN COLLEGE**

Hyperion - <Honestly, I doubt it. That about the
absolute hellish conditions the shuttle goes though,> I see your point. <Absolutly. Remember the origional philosophy behind the shuttle was to get itno space cheap. That's all.> I heard some people saying we shouldn't use space shuttles because the shuttles are too complex to keep proper maintance up. That's bull. Designing a reusable space craft that works and is maintance friendly would do a lot for bringing human ingenuity further along. <I'd love to know how.> Thankfully, training on how to pilot the space shuttle is restricted to astronauts and NOT the general public.

GXB - <It's amazing what one can do with a simple baseball bat.> Last time I checked, the Mendez brothers were found guilty despite claims of child abuse.

Laurence - <It takes discipline and hard work to be able to perform at a college level.> Depends on the teacher. If the teacher doesn't keep track of attendance and doesn't have quizes, and students are allowed to only show up to take exams and still make an A, I don't call that discipline and hard work. Also, see my above rant on "Idiociy in College". Yes, I am in dramatic favor of raising standards very significantly. By the 10th grade and beyond, I believe students should be handed a syllabus with due dates for homework and NO reminders until the day the homework is due. A lot of student grades will go down, but eventually, that high school will gain a national reputation for high standards.

Imzadi - <Uh, yes.> Ok, how would you recommend I subtly hint about my birthday? <You wish.> Hey, I gotta have a sense of humor.

Gside - <Not easily, as your first priority is that you
don't burn up, and thinning the tiles to use the energy would probably make things too weak.> I've heard about Iceland tapping into Geothermal Energy.

This marks where I stopped working on my post Friday night. *Starts process of editing comments on Saturday afternoon*

Taleweaver - <when is the main cycle in time.> The Main Cycle ended in November 1999.

Imzadi - Did you apply for that scholarship or did it come out of the blue? <The Eyrie building would definitely be a symbol of everything the terrorists hate about America and a landmark symbol of capitalism.> I disagree. The Eyrie Building is owned by a private individual with all businesses located therein owned by David Xanatos.

The Question - Why would those people care or want to do something about it?
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, February 8, 2003 04:19:45 PM
IP: 204.94.193.81

1st, a good part of this part was typed Friday night and saved until I had a good night's sleep so I could check this post for spelling errors.

Guardian - <meaning so TGS would be --- 'obligated' to incorporate 9-11 into an episode to follow the Master Plan> I'm not touching this issue except to say I very strongly believe that the Eyrie Building would not have been targeted. <o, yeah, whoever pointed that out to me, can't remember your name off-hand, thank you.> You're very welcome.

Green Baron - <May a holographic gril jump out of a holgraohic cake for you> ok, just because I gave up my "I'm a moralist" card, doesn't mean that all of my moral values were thrown out the window. Thanks for remembering. <which make milk cost more than it should> Mind you be, I prefer milk from *US* cows. Simply put, I believe that milk from cows in the US has less risk of contamination than imported milk. (Yes, if somebody offers me evidence to the contary, I'll reconsider my opinion) <As for race, I think there needs to be mor einter-racial couples.> I have *ZERO* problems with inter-racial couples. Anytime I hear anybody saying the bible is against blacks and whites get married because of cultural differences, I have to ask if that same standard applies to US citizens marrying internationals. Yep, unless a glass ceiling is encountered. <A friend of mine Kenneth Polite was the first studnet from my HS to be Louisina Boys State Governor and he was Valedictorian and got a free ride to Harvard from all the scholarships he earned. He's probably finsihed Georgetown Law by now. I haven't checked. Kenneth is also black and when he went to Harvard some liberal damnyankees told him he was in Harvard because he is black; well not as bluntly, but they gave that impression.> That's sad, but that situation can create that type of thinking. <Winthrop Rockefeller (pro-civil rights Governor of Arkansas)> Yea, something to be proud about in Arkansas. <Now of course, also find eveidence wehen Clinton used the n word> Can I offer a small comment? I overheard some African-Americans talking to each other and heard that word used. <Before running for President, Clinton, Gore, Jesse Jackson, Ted Kenendy and Dick Gephardt were all pro-life,> I remember that Clinton suddenly flipped on the abortion issue when he ran for national office. Now which side was he really on: pro-death or pro-life?

Aaron - <Happy belated birthday, DPH.> Thanks.

Friday, I had 1 essay test, 1 multiple choice test, 1 quiz, and 1 open note/book quiz.

**IDIOCY IN COLLEGE**
My Business Stats class is becoming a joke. How so? Instead of memorizing formulas, students are learning how to use their calculators to solve homework problems. All that this is teaching is dependency on technology. This is basically the dumbing down of classrooms.
**END IDIOCY IN COLLEGE**

Hyperion - <Honestly, I doubt it. That about the
absolute hellish conditions the shuttle goes though,> I see your point. <Absolutly. Remember the origional philosophy behind the shuttle was to get itno space cheap. That's all.> I heard some people saying we shouldn't use space shuttles because the shuttles are too complex to keep proper maintance up. That's bull. Designing a reusable space craft that works and is maintance friendly would do a lot for bringing human ingenuity further along. <I'd love to know how.> Thankfully, training on how to pilot the space shuttle is restricted to astronauts and NOT the general public.

GXB - <It's amazing what one can do with a simple baseball bat.> Last time I checked, the Mendez brothers were found guilty despite claims of child abuse.

Laurence - <It takes discipline and hard work to be able to perform at a college level.> Depends on the teacher. If the teacher doesn't keep track of attendance and doesn't have quizes, and students are allowed to only show up to take exams and still make an A, I don't call that discipline and hard work. Also, see my above rant on "Idiociy in College". Yes, I am in dramatic favor of raising standards very significantly. By the 10th grade and beyond, I believe students should be handed a syllabus with due dates for homework and NO reminders until the day the homework is due. A lot of student grades will go down, but eventually, that high school will gain a national reputation for high standards.

Imzadi - <Uh, yes.> Ok, how would you recommend I subtly hint about my birthday? <You wish.> Hey, I gotta have a sense of humor.

Gside - <Not easily, as your first priority is that you
don't burn up, and thinning the tiles to use the energy would probably make things too weak.> I've heard about Iceland tapping into Geothermal Energy.

This marks where I stopped working on my post Friday night. *Starts process of editing comments on Saturday afternoon*

Taleweaver - <when is the main cycle in time.> The Main Cycle ended in November 1999.

Imzadi - Did you apply for that scholarship or did it come out of the blue? <The Eyrie building would definitely be a symbol of everything the terrorists hate about America and a landmark symbol of capitalism.> I disagree. The Eyrie Building is owned by a private individual with all businesses located therein owned by David Xanatos.

The Question - Why would those people care or want to do something about it?
Anonymous
Saturday, February 8, 2003 04:19:11 PM
IP: 204.94.193.81

Going to visit my puppy today. Yay!

Josh> <<If everyone was moving to Wisconsin, we'd know.>>
And wonder why...

<<The kid who's so involved in academia that he can produce good research and make the world a better place (or a more dangerous one, perhaps).>>
I'm betting on dangerous, because he's just that oblivious. He seems like the kind of person likely to blow up a good chunk of the planet, completely by accident.

Taleweaver> <<does anyone know why my email address only shows up as a string of tildas? >>
You weren't doing that on purpose? It must be a conspiracy.

<<If there is to be no policy, then everything should go especially, if it is in the name of fairness. If not, then call a spade a spade. Its not for fairness. I call it the "_Blank_ need not apply" syndrome.>>
Huh?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, February 8, 2003 11:08:11 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Howdy all,

Lets hear it for the weekend. I finally get a chance to respond to so many comments. Before that: does anyone know why my email address only shows up as a string of tildas?

Affirmative Action
Josh> Retarded? Probably, but anti-anti affirmative action seemed redundant and confusing.

Believe me, there are some places I'd like to see the debate go. Affirmative action has huge question marks over effectiveness and overall goals, but those points get shouted out over fairness. Kathy pointed out that it is outdated. I agree with that. The racial reality of 1973 is different than that of 2003. We should have a policy that reflects that. But I don't believe there should be no policy and that is what is advocated.

If there is to be no policy, then everything should go especially, if it is in the name of fairness. If not, then call a spade a spade. Its not for fairness. I call it the "_Blank_ need not apply" syndrome.

Enough of my protesting. On to other news.
Angel> Definately picking up steam. Angelus is my kind of villain. Even behind bars he's hurting folks and hurting them with knowledge. I like that. Still not loving the Fred, Gunn and Wesley triangle. Fred is doing the thing I hate the most in romantic entanglements: not making a choice. If she spoke up they could move on, but she stands mutely while they fight and thinks it will all work out. One big question, if these banishers couldn't be touched by the Beast, how did he kill them today?

The terror attacks in TGS> My memory needs refreshing, when is the main cycle in time. I vaguely recall that time was made up during the Second Unseelie War, but that time was lost between seasons 2 and 3 and now it's well behind the current time. I odn't see anything wrong with working it into a story. Storytelling is how people express themselves. Actually, it might prove interesting how does the clan deal with something that is beyond their control. We saw that in the first season when Goliath lost the castle. But in TGS we haven't really seen them deal with non-magical problems since the unseelie war.

Well, I've got a California Adventure weekend to gear up for. Hope everyone's weekend is joyous.

C'ya
Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Saturday, February 8, 2003 08:58:11 AM
IP: 24.205.117.85

*BUFFY SPOILERS *

My favorite part of the latest episode was finding out that Giles was still alive, and not the First after all. I was a little nervous that he had been killed after all by that servant of the First with the axe and that the Giles who showed up in Sunnydale was the First in disguise - and was hoping that that wasn't the case since Giles is one of my favorite characters in the series. Fortunately, we know now that he's definitely the real one - come to think of it, as long as the First is unable to take corporeal form, Buffy and Co. now have a definite way of finding out who's the "real deal" and who's the First in disguise: just see if you can touch them or not. (And I also liked Giles' line that others commented on here).

One thing that I've got to say about Amy; I'm a bit surprised that she's doing that much dabbling in black magic, even if she is envious of Willow. After all, her very first experience with it was when she was at the receiving end back in Season One when her mother switched bodies with her; why would she want to mess around with it after what it did to her? (Then again, I've read that people who've been abused often wind up abusing others, so maybe it isn't quite so implausible).

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 8, 2003 07:29:12 AM
IP: 65.57.63.33

HAHA our new assignment for my programming class is to implement a new class in matlab...a class with three characteristics and about 8 methods. What a joke. Best part is that we have two weeks to do it. Of course, my new finite element assignment includes two obnoxious diffEQ problems that I'll never be able to solve by myself.

I was offered a scholarship to some law school in florida. The weather might be nice, but I have to wonder about a school that offers me a scholarship.

Todd: <<They take the attitude that it's all right for them to do that since clones are, in their view, not people but merely copies of people, redundancies, and therefore killing them isn't immoral>>: Sweet!

Laurence: <<you're making the assumption that college actually requires intellect>>: Let me guess, you're a liberal arts major, aren't you? <<If you're in the 95th percentile, you're going to college. I don't care what race you are. Don't blow things up to absurdity>>: You're right. But just because I'm going to college doesn't mean I'm going to a GOOD college. And a good college is the only one worth having on your diploma. Berkeley is the best civil engineering school in the country, and if I didn't get in despite my high scores so that someone with lower scores could get in, I'd be pissed. And rightly so. <<There will be equality, but it will be because the scum will sink to the bottom or the institutions of society will lose all relevancy>>: This is not encouraging.

Hyperion: <<all of my frined in the armed forces are moving to "an undisclosed location that has a whole lotta sand". Somehow, I doubt that includes Miami beach>>: Nothing undisclosed about domestic troop movements. If everyone was moving to Wisconsin, we'd know. <>: LOL! <<in some places reaches a plamsa state>>: Sweet! I want some. <<Please don't ask me know I know that>>: You saw it on TV. <<the company dosen't get hit with a lawsuit from the ACLU, so they're happy too>>: True, but they'd be happier if they could have just hired the qualified person in the first place. <<Underwater?>>: True, but that has very restricted movement. <<feed those humbers into a Finite Probability Generator, give it a good strong cup of tea>>: Lets hear it for the improbability drive! <<You dont' get to play out of one rule book for civil rights and another rule book for college admissions>>: Thank you. <<replaced by private schools and home schooling>>: I don't think home schooling is a good replacement for public schools. The lack of interaction can be far more interfering than new books. <<we are ready to sacrifice everything to help make it a better place>>: No. We are willing to sacrifice everything to control it all so we can sleep better. That is not the same as a "better place".

Dezi: <<passes Hyperion a spelling book>>: Thanks, maybe he'll use it! <<have stayed in my hometown where they can be contained>>: At least they won't pollute the gene pool. <<I'm really a typing fish>>: Ah, but not a lurking fish.

Yggdrasil: Welcome back! We need more left-brainers. <<Thanks to the removal of grade 13 from the high school curriculum. As a result of this there will be two full years of high school students vying for admission into university>>: Whoa! That sucks for those kids. <<it's been a real problem when it comes to setting exams and deciding exactly what information I should be putting into a lecture>>: That's why we have prereqs 8-) <<It's interesting to note that Utopia also means "No Place" or "Nowhere">>: Ironic, isn't it?

Gside: <<A curvy triangly>>: Ah. <>: I'm saying it now. <<Engineering, not a chance>>: I dunno, I've seen some pretty hairy engineers. Ones that mumble, too. And have a hunched back. And throw poop.

Bud-Clare: <<Just out of thin air? Good job>>: Thanks. Now lets see if it works. <<You didn't notice her flirting with Willow since she first showed up?>>: I'm kind of dense that way. <<Then I'd probably just trip over my own feet. Which is definitely possible>>: See you next fall... <<It is if it's Gside>>: No, he just thinks that's a party. <<His intelligence is so selective that it's kinda mindboggling>>: It happens. That's exactly the kind of kid who should go to college, though. The kid who's so involved in academia that he can produce good research and make the world a better place (or a more dangerous one, perhaps). <<he must have had to take his head out of his ass>>: Probably didn't smell too great. <<Or maybe Spike stole it, just out of spite>>: He's busy being chained up in the buffy's basement. <<Too much information>>: Meaningless, to boot. <<

Guardian: <<Or is that staff-only information>>: Its all staff-only information. <<

Patrick: <<They went after landmark symbols of capitalism and the U.S. government>>: The Eyrie building would definitely be a symbol of everything the terrorists hate about America and a landmark symbol of capitalism. <<Last I checked, building something with a design flaw wasn't treason>>: Thanks. I'm really tired of seeing engineers berated for something that isn't necessarily their fault.

Niamhgold: <<happy as a clam>>: If I were a clam, I'd be pissed off.

Spacebabie: <>: She did notice that guy copping a feel 8-) <<does anyone else think Conner is the one who made off with Angel’s soul?>>: Duh. <<but my baseball uniform is still white>>: So? <<good at least you actually found a use for Math>>: You know that computer you type on? Without math, it wouldn't exist. <<Why did you guys have 13 grades up there?>>: They're Canadian.

Aaron: <<Moment of silence for the shuttle Columbia, and it’s crew>>: How can you tell that was a moment? <<Is that not far right enough politically, or not right enough in the head?>>: The former.

Green Baron: <>: it would be a great way to raise funds for the program. <<the French bombed their boat>>: LOL.. <<How do you feel about shooting Frank Lautenberg, Amiri Bakara, Ted Kennedy, and Chris Dodd into space?>>: Only in favor of the third. No idea who the other three are 8-) <<unless we convert the UN Building into a space shuttle and aim it for the Sun>>: LOL! <<a treason charge would be appropriate>>: No, a treason charge would NOT be appropriate. <<in addition to seven charges of reckless premeditated endangerment>>: Also not appropriate. Taking a calculated risk is not reckless endangerment. <>: With an AK-47. <<May a holographic gril jump out of a holgraohic cake for you>>: And then what would he do? <>: Screw you! What did I do, besides be born white? <<At least that system is honest>>: That's actually not a bad idea. <>: The public doesn't approve of government protected industries either (the recording industry comes to mind). <>: I don't think that would solve much. What we need are fewer people, so that we have no choice but to rely on everyone regardless of color ;-) <<Jews, Asians, and Catholics are not considered for any special preference programs, and all three have faced persecution in the US>>: Damn right! <<the only color that should matter to us is green>>: Note to self: dye skin. <<even if they're to the right of SJ, they'd be inclined to respect more liebral views as they've been on the recieving end of "liberal Berkely tolerance">>: That made no sense. <<white guilt keeps me form being too critical of affirmative action>>: I never understood white guilt. Why should I feel guilty for something I didn't do? Granted, I don't feel guilty for things I DID do, but the concept still applies. <<Larry Elder>>: He rocks. <<Larry Elder's Ten Things You Can't Say in America.>>: After you read it, tell me what you think. Its been on my list for a while. <>: Interestingly enough, I don't know. I don't think he cares either way, what with not having to worry about it 8-) <>: LOL. <<I'm hoping Ventura runs as a thrid aprty and doesn't drop out and drop back in again. He'd win>>: I'd vote for him! But personally I'd rather have Larry Elder run.

Greg X: <<Did the Twin Towers come down on September 11, 2001 in the TGS Universe? The answer is yes. They most certainly did>>: Whoa really? I wasn't expecting that. <>: You're a sick man.

The Question: <<hunting down Osama Bin Laden?>>: Are you retarded or just stupid?

119. I will not attempt to kill the hero by placing a venomous creature in his room. It will just wind up accidentally killing one of my clumsy henchmen instead.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, February 8, 2003 04:16:06 AM
IP: 66.125.229.72

Spacebabie> <<So does anyone else think Conner is the one who made off with Angel’s soul?>>
It's possible. It's also possible that the shaman pulled a fast one. (Never thought I'd use that phrase.) He could be working for the beast after all. Or maybe Spike stole it, just out of spite. ;)

<<Okay...but my baseball uniform is still white.>>
Too much information.

Aaron> <<Me either. I’m very dense sometimes.>>
'S'okay. It happens.

Thomas> <<as I can imagine God laughing at us, when we put too much faith in codes.>>
And exactly which language is this code supposed to be in, I wonder? If it's in an english version, it's twice as funny.

<<My priest warned heavily against numerology.>>
In all fairness, my priest warned heavily against Snapple. (He kept getting it confused with schnapps.) Shows how reliable they are. ;)

<<though this may have just been an interest in Chirstmas decorations.>>
In Japan, Christmas is totally secular. It's just an excuse to get presents... pretty much like it is here. ;)

<<Who spoke? John McWhorter? Dinesh D'Souza, Larry Elder, Walter Williams? I may have heard of the speaker>>
Don't remember. It was a few years ago.

Gside> <<Well, the theory of fundamental interconnectedness is used in the fairy cake.>>
Yes, due to the fundamental interconnectedness... but interconnected doesn't necessarily mean compatible. :P
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, February 8, 2003 01:42:36 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

TheQuestion:No.
Shinigami
Saturday, February 8, 2003 01:41:28 AM
IP: 205.188.208.9

What about Demona, the Ultra-Pack, Thailog, the remaining unseelies, the vampires, Harthoth&Isfet, King Arthur, the Persian Clan, the Bad Guys, the Illuminati or Morgana hunting down Osama Bin Laden?
The Question
Saturday, February 8, 2003 01:29:37 AM
IP: 216.170.210.200

*A message from the TGS Head of Edits*

Re: 9/11 in the TGS Universe.

Did the Twin Towers come down on September 11, 2001 in the TGS Universe? The answer is yes. They most certainly did.

However, that does not mean there will be a story about it. I'm not dismissing the possibility, we're still a long ways off from the event in our timeline.

On a personal note on this, I am a New Yorker. I love my city. I love every street, and every inch of it. NYC is my home, and it has been good to me. What happened on 9/11 was the most catastrophic thing to ever hit my city, and I could not pretend it didn't happen within the TGS Univese, as long as I'm involved with writing it. To just pretend it didn't happen would be an insult to the thousands who died on that day.

And one more thing: No, the Eyrie Building was not targeted by the terrorists in the TGS Universe. It played out the same way it played out in real life. I don't need to go with the out-of-universe reason why. The in-universe reason being stated very eloquently by Patrick Toman. The Twin Towers were a much more symbolic target.

And no, there will be no stories of Goliath or anyone else in the clan travelling to the Middle-east to hunt down Osama bin Laden or any other terrorists.

I now return you to your regularly schedualed Comment Room.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, February 8, 2003 12:56:50 AM
IP: 216.179.6.237

Bud Clare> <<It is if it's Gside>>: It's three parties that hate each other.
<<If the Gently universe and the Guide universe ever collided, there'd be one hell of an explosion>>: Well, the theory of fundamental interconnectedness is used in the fairy cake.

Naimhgold> <<Hehe. Snowday!>>: @#$!. Mine wasn't officially canceled, and I had to trudge all the way over to the pharmacy building and back.

Spacebabie> <<So you got a buzz?>>: Not quite. We cleared the room somewhat frequently. Partially because I'm not sure there was any oxygen in there.
<<What the hell is that?>>: Spring of drowned girl. Very tragic story of girl who drown in spring 1500 year ago. Now whoever fall in spring take body of young girl.
Which reminds me, Gunjack, All I have left to burn for you is FFU. And there might be some corrupted gif files in the Ranma manga CD, but I didn't reburn it.

Aaron> <<New York! How much more Yankeeland can it get>>: New England.

Green Baron> <<The Tendo family is portrayed as Christian in an episode of Ranma 1/2>>: You sure about that? All I remember is that Kasumi wears a cross, and the Christmas episode doesn't count.
<<Carpe Opportunatis-- Seize the Opportunity>>: Carpe Jugulum.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, February 8, 2003 12:43:09 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

"Not even Nostradamus or Edgar Cayce had known of it before, so what do you think?" -- Patrick Toman

*shrugs* I was asking if Greg Weisman had said such in response to Gargoyles-RealLife continuity (meaning so TGS would be --- 'obligated' to incorporate 9-11 into an episode to follow the Master Plan), or just in general, considering that the Twin Towers were not accounted for in the Future Tense episode. I guess that's what I needed to say before. My apologies.
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 7, 2003 11:14:45 PM
IP: 67.115.75.206

:: peeks in during commercial ::

"As for someone being called up on treason charges for a 1 in 50ish obvious design fault -- that didnt happen the last time with the O rings."

How does treason come into play? Last I checked, building something with a design flaw wasn't treason. Negligence or gross incompetence, perhaps. But unless it was intentially done because you're working for the enemy... not treason.

"Does that pertain to in general information or was that an answer posed after 9-11 occurred?"

Not even Nostradamus or Edgar Cayce had known of it before, so what do you think?

Sorry... silly questions get silly answers. :P

:: back to watching "Law and Order" ::
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 7, 2003 10:14:25 PM
IP: 67.38.241.45

Green Baron -- Go ahead and blast those stiffs into space --even better if it is a one way ticket =)

Lautenberg will retire whenever the democratic machinery of NJ feels that replacing him with a McGreevey appointment wouldnt make a massive news item and black eye for the NJ democrats.

As for someone being called up on treason charges for a 1 in 50ish obvious design fault -- that didnt happen the last time with the O rings.

It is possible that my dislike for NYC in general(Actually I do not enjoy large cities in general from the smells to the general feel you get) will be overcome and I may go to the event -- but seeing as it is an hour drive followed by a train ride away; it isnt something that needs to be decided until a lot closer to when it occurs.

silvadel
Friday, February 7, 2003 09:29:48 PM
IP: 208.59.133.50

"Greg Weissman said offically that the towers came down in the garg universe." -- Leo

Does that pertain to in general information or was that an answer posed after 9-11 occurred?

As for Mister Toman's question . . . Were the telivision show actually to have occurred, I'd think David Xanatos would be known to be a huge symbol of American capitalism. Al-Qaeda _might_ have targeted the Eyrie Building, again, were such a complex to have existed . . . But since it doesn't, we probably will never know. *shrugs*
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 7, 2003 08:16:52 PM
IP: 67.115.75.206

Another fine, cold day live from Kosovo.

Good news: According to forces above me, the unit coming to replace us will be training in April and may replace us in May, so I may be able to make G03 after all. Regrettably, nothing has been set in stone, so I make no guarantees, but I do admit that I will enjoy meeting some new faces, and I hope you can make it Silvadel. You seem very interesting to talk to :)

Starsinger> I am always happy to see you post. I wish you would return to us, though.

Dezi> <<and that blurb in the Bible-code book that says that the "big one" will hit California in 2010 are the things I will remember for the rest of my life. I also have a life goal of seeing a lift-off, so I hope this doesn't end the program.>> Bible Code book? While Numerology is fun for specualtion and the occasional apocalyptic gambling pool, I am not one to put my trust in it, as I can imagine God laughing at us, when we put too much faith in codes.

I have neevr heard of such a code book until you mentioned it. My priest warned heavily against numerology.

<<Nothing is safe, not even walking down the street. I hope America doesn't get all agoraphobic (did I get the right one?) on space or anything remotely risky.>> I doubt it. Our curiosity is too great. Besides, when Jesse Jackson spews his crap about the injustice of space exploration when people are homeless, makes me support the space program all the more. I would like to see NASA become more private as Russia has allowed the wealthy to travel into space. I have concerns about our space program when we re-send John Glenn into space, after 30 years. I wonde rif we are progressing. Without a major competitor in the world today, we seem to lose our passion for advancement in a space program.

<<While I'm against the war, I do hope a piece of "God's Revenge" falls out of the sky and pops a hole through a certain Iraqi's skull.>> If only that would happen. It would solve our problems, but instead it falls over Plaestine, TX. Perhaps that town should be renamed. Is there a Columbia, TX?

Bud-Clare> <<No, it'd be more tragic if they'd been taking off. If they'd been given the choice between dying before they got a chance to do the job they'd been sent up there to do, and dying after they had finished, they would have chosen to do their jobs first. Furthermore, four of the people on board had never been in space before. At least they got to go up once before they died.>>

Then you are correct. I was thinking the way everything seemd to go so well and just as the mission was ready to end, they died. I guess anti-climatic is a better word.

Col. Ilan Ramon will be remembered. He was involved on a courageous attack against Iraq developing nukes back in 1981. He was a hero long before he stepped on that ship. You are right that it is better that he at least se the stars, before his life was over. May his children rise to greatness.

<> My concern would be if we seriously damaged the moon like in The Time Machine.

Imzadi> <<I'd laugh my head off. Germans would become the new world pussies.>> They are. France may be cowardly, but they are not as degenerated and hippylike as Germany. In fact they exceed us in ruthlesness. Back when they were running nuclear tests (leave it to France to test nukes in the South Pacific), GreenPeace staged a protest, and the French bombed their boat.

As for Germany and that oily pig Schroeder, the Social Democrats took a major beating as the CDU won tons of seats in a recent election, inlcuding Schroeder's home state of Lower Saxony. I love the message that sends Herr Chancelor.

I suspect France may do a weasel dance when we get ready to enter the Gulf, like they did in 1991.

<<Not soon enough, if you ask me.>> Well, of course you wnat it sooner, but I prefer for teh market to work unimpeded. It weans us of our faith in Government, an essential to freedom.

<<Now that's just scary.>> On the other hand, it's the vast reaching talons fo Government by Democrats like FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society that lats forever. I suspect it is easier to repair Republican damage, as conservative sacred cows are of less concern than liberal ones.

Then again, Ashcroft may wind up a talking head after his time in the Cabinet, like that idiot Ramsey Clark or old senile Jimmy Carter.

Silvadel> <> I imagine Republicans are more apt to supprot NASA, though Bush never visited the Johnson Space Center (a pity sch a wonderful place has the name of that cockroach Lyndon), but Clinton gutted Defense and NASA as well. Sending Jon Glenn into space has some merit. How do you feel about shooting Frank Lautenberg, Amiri Bakara, Ted Kennedy, and Chris Dodd into space?

BTW, when do you think Lautneberg will retire, or is he going to be the Strom of New Jersey? Of course, he is not as old as Robert KKK Byrd of West Virginia.

Hyperion> <<I would disagree. It's never going to happen. Something will always go wrong, it's how we deal with things when they do that counts. The astronauts aren’t heroes because they died, they're heroes because they knew that riding a plasma fireball down out of the sky could kill them, but they went anyway; their love of their work, and their dedication to expanding our knowledge is what makes them live on.>> I was thinking cool down for a month. I'm not proposing we liquidate the space program and create some new entitlement for poor children to get expensive designer tennis shoes.

I do wonder about the International Space Station, of course the term International does not inspire much confidence in me these days....unless we convert the UN Building into a space shuttle and aim it for the Sun :)

<<You want safe, sit in a church and eat alot of fiber, anything else, you take your chances.>> If I eat lots of fiber, that Church better have a good latrine :)

Silvadel> <<I sincerely hope this whole thing doesnt come down to someone making a weasel decision where he figured -- oh there is a 3% chance of it blowing up but by saying something I might lose my job and/or cause a lot of effort to be expended so I am being quiet about it.>> I think if someone is found guilty of it, a treason charge would be appropriate in addition to seven charges of reckless premeditated endangerment.

Spacebabie> <<It’s not a combination they have Catholic schools in Japan. The school in Magical Thief St Tail is a Catholic school.>> I wonder how many. I think 2% of Japan is Chirstian, and only half of them are Catholic, mainly due to remanants of the Jesuits. Then again, The Tendo family is portrayed as Christian in an episode of Ranma 1/2, along with Happosai and the Sautomes, though this may have just been an interest in Chirstmas decorations. After all, Happosai's age would have given him a chance to meet the Jesuit missionaries.

Of coruse, we talk anime, and not RL, so I'll be quiet now :)

Tony Elliott> <<No and not really. I don’t think it’s a good idea to take anything for granted, especially a religion. Most of my family really isn’t religious. My grandma sporadically goes to a Lutheran church, but that’s because its two blocks away. The only reason my mom was a Lutheran was to send me to the church’s grade school, which is why I started out as a Lutheran.>>

I know that attitude towards religion. I guess it's all about background. Good thing there isn't a Kingdom Hall one block from your grandmother :)

My mother was raised Catholic as her parents were and tehy were Catholic probably all the way to back to St. Patrick and St. Boniface. My father's mother was French, though her mother was a Presbyterian, but was of course raised Catholic. My father's father was an Episcopalian and the Forsyths were Episcopalian/Anglicna since King James VI. I guess being a Scottish Episcopalian my grandfather was an Episcogael :)

Of coruse, not all families are alike, as yours was not as focused on one faith, while my family tends not to differ.

<<From that trend alone, I’ve judged that there is something about Catholicism that steers young people away from faith, that is not present in non Catholic denominations.>> Poor judgment. There are lots of reasons. Like the Army, Catholicism is not for everyone. Catholic schools may give too strict a teaching or too watered down a teaching of the faith. My mother imposed a lot of progressive valuesonto me in regards to religion, and I have a certain traditional appreciation.

Also, those friends may have been taught a very narrow form of Catholicism. Or maybe they would have lost their fiath in any religious upbringing.

<<But I would not try to convert you or any other Catholic; as long as you have faith, the particular religion (denomination) you choose is rather unimportant as long as it helps you, not anyone else, to keep and grow it.>>

Well, if I was a Raelian or a Jehovas Witness or some form of Anabaptist, I hope you'd knock some sense into me :)

Dezi> You're right. Beta is in many ways a better quality system than VHS, but much more expensive and horribly marketed, so it neevr really caught on with the public.

Helene> <<Saying Catholicism drives youth away from faith based upon the handful of people you know isn't really a fair assessment to make, especially since there's A LOT of evidence to the contrary.>> Very true. This Pope in particular has focused heavily on the young. I'd say the ones who have lost their faith the most are the elders who lament Vatcian II and the graying baby boomers who feel the Pope betrayed Vatican II, as they didn't want the Church windows open, but to blow them apart.

Also, many Catholic youths are raised to go through the motions, and Catholic schools often teach a watered down theology, but they still are excellent at non-religiosu education. I don't think I really leanred fully about transubsutantiation until College, though it may have gotten brief mention in grade school.

Happy Birthday, DPH. May a holographic gril jump out of a holgraohic cake for you :)

Gabriel> <<I'm sure they'll talk about the gay agenda, and how we are infiltrating children's minds so that we can convert them to our hip and cool alternative life-style :P>> Well, some Berkely Republicans could be in the Log Cabin Club. Besides, if I recall, you're last boyfriend was quite the conservative :)

<> I don't know how dearly it is held.

Affirmative Action was actually invented by Republicans. That was back in the 60s. Also, more Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Bills of the 60s.

I myself hold no great opposition to affirmative action, though in soem ways I find it a hidden form of racism, and quite patronizing to those who benefit from it.

The University of Michigan issue which ahs come under the controversy is a sign of extremes. Because you are Hispanic, you get 20 points twoards admissions, but if you score a 1600, only 12. That to me shows a problem with priority. Personally, I find nothing at all wrong with say 5 points awarded to someone who is poor and of aminority background (I don't cut brakes for crackers). In fact, I think a legacy onlygets 5 points for U Michigan.

Now, Private Universities should have more leeway. If they are showing blatant discrimination, that shoudl affect their government funding, but the market itself will deal with that univeristy otherwise.

Athletics> I think the whole system is a mistake as it is done now. Make College athletes staff, not sudents. If they want to take classes, more power to them. Being on staff, they can taken them for free, but if they don't want to take College classes, fine. Instead of creating bozo reasons to have some athlete get a bogus degree just so they can play is not helping the College. The Athletes could just be on staff and the class space can be devoted to those who want to learn, which can include athletes if they choose. At least that system is honest.

Government affirmative action> The Government gives lots of preferences, an dnot jsut on race. There are tons of subsidies and tarriffs to protect specific industries at teh expense of consumers, as well as price ceilings and floors, which make milk cost more than it should, or sugar more expensive than it should be, as well as gasoline being cheaper. I don't think it fair to single out racial preferences by the Government when we protect obsolete industries and subsidize ranches and farms that are shielded from the Market Darwin.

As for race, I think there needs to be mor einter-racial couples. 50 years after Brown vs Board of Education and most families are still segregated. Obviously love is blind, but I think many people are raised with pernicious notions against even dating someone of a different race, but we're all human. Granted, soem people are just unlucky, as I have tried to practice intergrated dating only to be turned down each time, but I'm obnoxious, so I guess I understand why.

Imzadi> <<We're simply anti-stupidity, anti spending money on stupid programs, and anti special treatment for some group because they feel they were wronged at some point.>> After all, Jews, Asians, and Catholics are not considered for any special preference programs, and all three have faced persecution in the US. I have yet to get a repeartions check form the National Council of Churches, nor do I see any necessary reason for it, beyond the fact that I'd like some cash. Well, many Americans of Japanese descent recieved some compensation for FDR's internment camps.

I think the best way to remedy past worngs is to judge one by merit and character than skin color (though many biracial women are very attractive, IMO, but that is not a judgment on character, just attraciveness), and the only color that should matter to us is green.

<<Remember, these are Berkeley republicans, which puts them just to the *left* of the middle (still too conservative for some people here).>> Well, even if they're to the right of SJ, they'd be inclined to respect more liebral views as they've been on the recieving end of "liberal Berkely tolerance".

gabriel> <<In order to be inclusive, you can't delibartly attack a programme most african-americans hold dear, especially during balck history month (unless it's an african-american doing, because then the audiences perception will be differant). It's bad strategy and only further makes the party look stupid and racist.>> I don't think it is held as dearly as you may think. I think some poll showed it at 55-45% against, which makes sense as more blacks are middle and upper class. Part of it is the rather condescending tone of affirmative action.

A friend of mine Kenneth Polite was the first studnet from my HS to be Louisina Boys State Governor and he was Valedictorian and got a free ride to Harvard from all the scholarships he earned. He's probably finsihed Georgetown Law by now. I haven't checked. Kenneth is also black and when he went to Harvard some liberal damnyankees told him he was in Harvard because he is black; well not as bluntly, but they gave that impression. Now, Kenneth received oen scholarship from an essay for Martin Luther King, Jr. day and he made headlines for the being the first black Governor of Louisiana Boys State (incidentally his younger brother was also Governor), but I think the fact that Kenneth is brilliant and a very good speaker are more reasons for his success than his pigment. Now, Kenneth might take advantage of his pigment and apply for some scholarships only open to African-Americans, but so what? They aexist so take advantage of them. Schoalrships exists for people who are Scottish, Jewish, Catholic, Presbyterian, atheist, veteran, Korean, left-handed, athletic, non-drinkers, etc.

Carpe Opportunatis-- Seize the Opportunity.

As for the GOP and black history month. I think it would be good to focus on Hiram Revels, Frederick Douglass (a Republican and Ambassador to Haiti), Winthrop Rockefeller (pro-civil rights Governor of Arkansas), C. Everett Dirksen of Illinois, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice. Now of course, also find eveidence wehen Clinton used the n word (and I bet he did, being a white fundmanetalist southerner of low birth in the mid twentieth century), and some other Dem bashing like Robert KKK Byrd of WV, too :)

Durid> Nope. Not familiar. It would be neat if you wound up in Kosovo next month. Then we could chat :)

Lila> <<I'd always seen myself as so liberal that I'd gone around the loop to conservative on such issues. You expressed well the views on Affirmative Action etc... also noteworthy is that said service works backwards in some ways, creating "racism" where it need not exist. Segregation was done away with, this seems to be a throwback of sorts.>>

I guess a certain level fo white guilt keeps me form being too critical of affirmative action, though I see it doing more good than harm as time progresses.

As for liberal and conservative, once you take tiem to analyze and think things through you won't follow any specific mantra of beleifs for either side. You may even lean a little to the right, especially on non-social issues.

Then again, definitions of conservative and liberal vary.

<<Does being smart and intolerant of those less blessed intellectually always connotate being Republican?>>

Republican and Democrat are labels. In Vermont they have Republicans Democrats down in Louisiana would call liberal. I imagine Gray Davis's views would be ultra right-wing in Sweden, which is a little scary.

Imzadi> <<If there are any Klan members at Berkeley, I've yet to meet them (and I don't think I'd want to, either).>>

I would wonder why any Klansmen would want to join Berkely, unless they are part of the anti-Israel movement infecting many Colleges.

But I would be surprised to see a Klansman or any white supremacist going to Berkely when they can go to Idaho U or Bob Jones University instead. I also wonder why anyone in any minority group would ever want to go to Bob Jones.

Bud-Clare> <> Who spoke? John McWhorter? Dinesh D'Souza, Larry Elder, Walter Williams? I may have heard of the speaker :)

Leo> << think this statement needs some rephrasing. If interpreted the "wrong" way, it could fan flames. :)>> How about test scores are tied to Economic background, so that can affect poor minority students and crackers in the trailer park, too.

I wonder if the word buckra is ever used anymore to describe a cracker.

Dezi> <<My TV class producer loaned me a book called Bias, written by a former CBS employee of 28 years. He ratted out the liberal bias slant in the media, compared the CBS "family" to the Sopranos, and said "The Dan" (as opposed to the Don) wants him whacked. It looks to be a good read.>>

Bernard Goildberg was the author. I ordered it on Amazon, along with a few other boosk including Larry Elder's Ten Things You Can't Say in America.

Imzadi> <<It would be so cool if there were two parties, one for smart people and one for dumb people. Unfortunately, such is not the case. Many dumb republicans and many smart democrats...sadly.>> Of Course intelligence is not the best indicator of good decisions. Jimmy Carter was brilliant as NAVY stuff went, but his foreign policy was horrible, and he is still out there mucking up international waters. At least Ronald Reagan is kept out of the spotlight as he suffers Alzheimers. I wonder if Carter has it now.

<<Possibly. Interestingly enough, the official stance of the paper on abortion is not yet decided, apparently the staff is split.>> Abrotion is not that good a litmus test for conservative/liberal ideology. After all, David Bonior is pro-life and so is Dennis Kucinich who destroyed Cleveland with his policies. Alan Simpson was pro-choice and a very partisan Republican. And I don't know about your dad, but you descirbe him as pretty consevrative and probably pro-choice (you never specified that part).

Before running for President, Clinton, Gore, Jesse Jackson, Ted Kenendy and Dick Gephardt were all pro-life, and as then-Governor Reagan signed a very liberal abortion bill prior to Roe v Wade.

Spacebabie> <<Please don’t ask how folks>> I can guess....::hig fives Revel:: ;)

Greg X> <<If Bush gets re-elected, I'm moving to Rio. I'm even beginning to brush up on my Portugese>> I'd say get your passport ready anyway. If its not Bush, it will be Liebreman (who you just love), or Edwards the ambulance chaser. I'm hoping Ventura runs as a thrid aprty and doesn't drop out and drop back in again. He'd win.

<<Look at what they've done through history, and what their Anglo-Saxon descendents have done... it was fun ;)>> Being Norman and Celtic, I have no love for Anglo Saxons. As for other Germans, I've always been partial to Prussians.

Also, France was founded by Frankish Germans, so that's another point against the Germans.

<<Why, oh why could the Republicans have not picked McCain to run for President???>> I voted for him in the primary and I voted Libertarian in November, so it's not my fault. I do like Rumsfeld's blunt commentary though, especially about Old Europe :)

I wouldn't want him as a diplomat, except for Ambassador to Germany, since I'd love to send a guy who will speak his mind there and pull no punches :)

Dezi> <<When my dad went to Turkey, though, he sent me one of those hats that Aladdin and Abu in the Disney cartoon have...just forgot what it was called...oh yeah! A fez. Just looks like a Shriner's hat.>> I bought one in Istanbul, and my Commander made a Shriner joke about it. I think Catholics are not allowed to be Shriners though.

Aaron> <<It’s in New York! How much more Yankeeland can it get?!?>> Boston, Bar Harbor, Manchester, Providence :p
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Friday, February 7, 2003 06:51:29 PM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Moment of silence for the shuttle Columbia, and it’s crew.

Bud-Clare> <<You're either missing the point, or reiterating the point needlessly. I'm just not sure which.>> Me either. I’m very dense sometimes.

Josh> <<But are you still answering your email?>> Very slowly. <<<<why could the Republicans have not picked McCain to run for President?>>: Something about "gooks". I seriously think that was it. Of course, the fact that he's not right enough could have something to do with it.>> Is that not far right enough politically, or not right enough in the head?

GB> <<Or host a Gathering in Yankeeland, so she has less excuse.>> It’s in New York! How much more Yankeeland can it get?!?

Tony Elliot> <<I’ve judged that there is something about Catholicism that steers young people away from faith>> Could it be... GUILT? ; )

Happy belated birthday, DPH.

Later

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, February 7, 2003 06:16:22 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

Ooops sorry for second post but I forgot the source of the wyote

I't's by Mary Pickford
Spacebabie
Friday, February 7, 2003 03:19:39 PM
IP: 64.156.101.136

Unbelievable….my dad found a German penny in Fort Meyers the other day…That is so cool.

And the news of the day is…Toasted Oats. A Quaker Oats building in Chicago caught on fire at the top.

Wow the actors who have appeared in Gargoyles are all over…Salli and Keith in the different CSI’s, possibly Brent in Frasier…and on the recent episodes of ED Tom Wilson as the father of this one kid who attends the high school Molly is the principal of.

********MEGA SPOILERS********
Buffy---I loved Giles’s line. I liked the fact that the UCS Wiccans have evolved a bit from just being blessed wannabes…The sappyness ruined the episode though and I wondered why Willow didn’t check to see if her equipment had changed as well.

Smallville---Dang poor Lana. I’m glad that Chloe didn’t remember and I enjoyed seeing the red stuff again.

Angel---So does anyone else think Conner is the one who made off with Angel’s soul?

ER---Loved the part where Robet is being treated like crap…and I agree with Susan on her reason why she turned up her date. Who would want to go out with someone who expects you to give up meat?
***************************Spoilers End*******************
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Gside<<<It said lemon scented, but not with the concentration of vapor hanging around.>>>:So you got a buzz? Next time use nose plugs <<<A little accident with instant nyanichuan? >>>What the hell is that?

Josh<<<The programming assignment is complete>>>congrats<<<Fortunately, it is not.>>>So it’s my school that is ass backwards<<<We know how>>>Okay…but my baseball uniform is still white.<<<now apparently I've mathematically "proven" a way to create energy.>>>Ah good at least you actually found a use for Math

Taleweaver<<<one got sugar sap over my nice clean floors.>>>I agree that was sappy.

Greg<<<oh why could the Republicans have not picked McCain to run for President>>>Hey don’t blame me I voted for McCain in the primaries.

Mooncat<<>>I like to second that. Summer’s writing is beautiful and smooth and silky.

Yggdrasil<<<Thanks to the removal of grade 13 from the high school curriculum.>>>Why did you guys have 13 grades up there? Was this just your providence of the whole country?
26. “If you had made mistakes…there is always another chance for you…You may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call “failure” is not the falling down, but the staying down.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, February 7, 2003 01:22:26 PM
IP: 64.156.101.136

Hehe. Snowday! Of course, I'd enjoy it more if I actually *had* classes and if I could get to a grocery store ;) Now all it needs to do is snow Monday-Thursday, and then I'll be happy as a clam ;)
Niamhgold
Friday, February 7, 2003 10:35:08 AM
IP: 209.143.83.90

Ignoring the fact that any alteration of the events of 9/11 for fanfic purposes would be a morally questionable proposition at best... why would it be "likely" that the terrorists would target the Eyrie Building? They didn't target the Sears Tower or any other tall, privately owned office buildings. They went after landmark symbols of capitalism and the U.S. government. The World Trade Center. The Pentagon. And likely the White House or the Capitol, had the passengers on that fourth plane not stopped them.
Patrick Toman
Friday, February 7, 2003 07:18:07 AM
IP: 67.38.241.45

Greg Weissman said offically that the towers came down in the garg universe. Usually TGS tries to follow Greg's "Master Plan" when they have the info. I can't answer for them though. I think it would make an interesting episode since in all likelyhood the terrorists would go after the Eyrie Building as well. The gargs would have to rely on Xanatos and his defense system since it occured durring the day.
Leo
Friday, February 7, 2003 06:29:51 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

*hem* Yeah, me again. Pardon me for interrupting, again, but if I may say a few things?

First off, wanna thank those that responded to the TGS/9-11 question I posed a couple months ago. It had been a while since I read TGS at the time, so I wasn't aware that, as far as TGS goes, 2001 hasn't even occurred yet. So, yeah, whoever pointed that out to me, can't remember your name off-hand, thank you.

That being said . . . Have there been any speculations at all? Or is that staff-only information?

Thank you all, again, for your time.
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Friday, February 7, 2003 02:43:48 AM
IP: 63.207.60.92

Josh> <<now apparently I've mathematically "proven" a way to create energy.>>
Just out of thin air? Good job. ;)

<<And when did Kennedy turn lesbian!?>>
You didn't notice her flirting with Willow since she first showed up?

<<But that line from Giles was great>>
*L* That was my favorite part.

<<It's the building you'd trip over, since without vertical elements the building would be a pancake>>
Then I'd probably just trip over my own feet. Which is definitely possible...

<<Its not a party with just one person...>>
It is if it's Gside...

Hyperion> <<therefore all we need to do is figure out exaclty how improbable it is>>
I dare you. :)

Yggdrasil> <<As a result of this there will be two full years of high school students vying for admission into university.>>
Ouch.

Gside> <<Depends on the degree. If we're talking about subjects football players go for, yes. Engineering, not a chance.>>
Depends on your definition of chimp, too. There are a lot of people with high IQs who are also dumb as a post. Well, maybe not a post, but definitely a shoe or something. There was a kid that graduated with my high school class (but who was a few years younger than me) who was a genius at math, but fairly clueless about anything else. (Well, math and the Hitchhiker's Guide...) His intelligence is so selective that it's kinda mindboggling. (But I suppose he must be somewhat better now. Without his mommy taking care of him anymore, he must have had to take his head out of his ass at least a little bit.)

<<But you're forgetting Gently's theorem.>>
If the Gently universe and the Guide universe ever collided, there'd be one hell of an explosion.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, February 7, 2003 01:20:22 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Gside: < You try using that oxygen like we use atmospheric oxygen, while staying underwater.> Of course I will. I'm really a typing fish! :P

:)
Dezi
Friday, February 7, 2003 01:13:15 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Bud Clare> <<Why?>>: I muchly like both Martin Gardner and Charles Lutwidge Dodgson.

Imzadi> <<How?>>: A curvy triangly. Unfortunately, I don't believe the center is always at half the diameter.
<<Likely not the blue ones>>: I don't believe anything has been said about especially intelligent mud colors. Intelligent portions of the light spectrum, though.

Laurence> <<these days a chimp can get a degree>>: Depends on the degree. If we're talking about subjects football players go for, yes. Engineering, not a chance.
<<If you're in the 95th percentile, you're going to college>>: Yes, but the selection of which college is rather important. There's a good difference between Worcester say, and MIT.

Hyperion> <<since a thing is virtually impossible, it must be very improbable>>: But you're forgetting Gently's theorem. The impossible often has a kind of integrity to it which the merely improbable lacks. How often have you been presented with an apparently rational explanation of something that works in all respects other than one, which is just that it is hopelessly improbable? Your instinct is to say, 'Yes, but he or she wouldn't do that.'

Dezi> <<so then what does the O in H2O stand for?>>: You try using that oxygen like we use atmospheric oxygen, while staying underwater.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, February 7, 2003 12:56:29 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Greetings again

I've decided to make an honest attempt to actually post for an extended period of time, instead of just popping in every few months and dropping my two cents. I've got a lot of CR to read up on so I've missed all the good flame wars instead of inciting them :-)

TGS stuff: Wow, when did this Bad Guys thing get started? I remember it being a possibility, but I had no idea that something was actually being done. Any idea when we can expect this series to start?

Josh: <my straight A's and 95th percentile SAT scores aren't enough to get me into a good school> Be thankful that you're not trying to get into a university here in Ontario. Thanks to the removal of grade 13 from the high school curriculum. As a result of this there will be two full years of high school students vying for admission into university. The bar has been raised considerably for these students. I've been working with the admissions committee as a graduate representative and in Science the admission level is going up by around 10-15%, thus putting it at about 85-90% minimum with some programs being even higher.

Laurence: I do agree that anyone can get a degree nowadays. Even within the past 3 years I have noticed that there is a general degradation in the quality of students that are entering into post-secondary education. It seems as though the students are coming in with much less knowledge. I don’t know if this has happened outside of Ontario, but it's been a real problem when it comes to setting exams and deciding exactly what information I should be putting into a lecture. Once you get into the graduate level of education it's no longer a concern, but until then it has reached the point where you have to wait until the first midterm to discover just how little they know and then try to salvage the rest of the course before the final.

As to Affirmative Action...thank goodness I'm in Canada. Seriously though there are major problems with equality in many of the professional fields of study and affirmative action may be a good starting point. However I do have a problem with giving a position to a less qualified candidate simply based upon gender or race. In a post-secondary environment I feel that a persons academic achievement should be the only consideration when determining admission. As a part of this belief I also feel that post-secondary education should not be place out of reach of those from lower income families and enrolment in University should not be restricted to the affluent members of society.
I have never believed in intrinsic rights, that being rights that you have solely based upon your being a member of the human race. Everything in life is conditional; this includes the right to education. There should be nothing blocking an individuals right to an education, be it race, sex or economics. Admission should be based upon the academic merit of the individual, not based upon what some outside quality.

On the other hand it should be notes that what I have described is a Utopia, a perfect society. It's interesting to note that Utopia also means "No Place" or "Nowhere". Given the frailties of man it is no surprise that we are incapable of deciding based solely on merit, and that some outside system is needed to balance the scales. What we must be cautious of is the elastic effect. We must take care to balance the scales, but not marginalize any other aspect of society as of yet. The scales are not yet balanced; perhaps when they are we may be able to prove that there is such a place as Utopia.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:55:56 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

***OFFICIAL TGS ANNOUNCMENT***

We here at TGS will be beginning an artist recruitment drive for all an any who would like to apply. The application and resume for those who would like to apply MUST follow the following guidelines or it will delay your review in the selection process.

Please send an e-mail to: able_squad@hotmail.com

please include your name(handle) and a valad e-mail address if you are sending from some other account.

The resume may consist of upwards of ten links to your art or web site, which the curent staff will review.

If you do not have a web site or do not have at least three pics to link or feel that these pics are not your best examples you may do the following.

You may include no more than THREE attached pictures each no more than 50k or overall file size less than 150k. Please stick closely to these requirements because if your e-mail is more than 150k it will be rejected and asked to be resent with the pics being smaller. I have to stress the file size requirement because it is a Hotmail account and they will die if it gets overloaded.

Do not send more than three, only the first three will be taken all others are not considered, so take your time and send three good ones or find a way to link to more. Please only send one, resume. Questions may be sent as well, but again, only send three pics.
After your resume has been received you will receive a reply saying that we have your e-mail. Only if you do not receive this reply should you send again.

Applications will be taken until Feburary 28, three weeks. Soon after that everyone will be notified over e-mail whether they have made it and can begin to work.

Please do not flood the box asking if you have made it, it will not help your case and will more likely hurt.

Questions will be welcomed so that everyone understand what is expected.

Thank you

*END*
Revel TGS Art Director - [able_squad@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:24:57 PM
IP: 129.120.173.67

First of all, *passes Hyperion a spelling book* 8-)

Hyperion:<an undisclosed location that has a whole lotta sand". Somehow, I doubt that includes Miami beach.> I can relate, man. A turban souvy? Good idea. I usually get foreign money- coins and such. Not some big coin collector, just a easy way to keep a small souvy that doesn't take up space. When my dad went to Turkey, though, he sent me one of those hats that Aladdin and Abu in the Disney cartoon have...just forgot what it was called...oh yeah! A fez. Just looks like a Shriner's hat.
<devoid of both significant gravity and oxygen> Underwater?> so then what does the O in H2O stand for? :)
<We can be the Greatest Generation. I intend to do so.> Personally, I've seen too many morons to agree with that. However, that doesn't keep me from trying on my own. Meanwhile, those morons that I mentioned, which by the way is most of my high school's graduating class, have stayed in my hometown where they can be contained and observed by the government and various scientific agencies. :)

My photojournalism teacher taught me some new photoshop tricks to help me with the school newspaper. I feel very enlightened right now. *spins a little circle and goes to cooks some spaghetti*

later
Dezi
Thursday, February 6, 2003 10:13:37 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Welp...it's official...all of my frined in the armed forces are moving to "an undisclosed location that has a whole lotta sand". Somehow, I doubt that includes Miami beach.
The upshot to this: I was promides a turban. Now, whether or not I get one from Crazy Salib's Turban Town (25% discount with Al-queda membership card) or it's actually lifted from a former "enemy combatant" is of absolutly no relevance to me. (Buhwahaha)

DPH>< Isn't there any way to test stuff to ensure the system should work during re-entry?>Honestly, I doubt it. That about the absolute hellish conditions the shuttle goes though, it's falling at Mach 25, riding on a cushion of hot gas (6,000 degress C) that in some places reaches a plamsa state (11,000 degrees C). It's not like you can really reproduce those conditions on the ground. At least, I don't know of any.
< However, designing the space vehicle to be more maintance friendly should be the goal> Absolutly. Remember the origional philosophy behind the shuttle was to get itno space cheap. That's all. There was nothing about safety, or economy. Reagan was just tired of the solid booster idea wherein 95% of the thing gets junked.
 I'd love to know how. There's somany safety interlocks on the thing the only way to do that woudl be to do somethign screwy *during* the launch. and that a) requires that the person be on the shuttle and b) requires them to get past the guys with the guns.
Yes, the shuttle crew carries a firearm. Please don't ask me know I know that.

Josh><They're probably drugged so she can keep you around to fix her computer> that's what I was worried about, but no ill effects, apperently.
<Its Uncle Sam who makes these rules, and HE'S happy>Well, the company dosen't get hit with a lawsuit from the ACLU, so they're happy too.
<construction environment devoid of both significant gravity and oxygen> Underwater?
<But not very predictably> and there's the problem. However, since a thing is virtually impossible, it must be very improbable; therefore all we need to do is figure out exaclty how improbable it is, feed those humbers into a Finite Probability Generator, give it a good strong cup of tea, and turn it on!
<Screw 'em if they can't take a joke>"Hey Bob! Try 25 Gs. Haw! Haw! Hey Bob, you're not laughing..."
Riiiight...

Taleweaver><Only race is considered the great inequality> I disagree. I think that, in this day and age, most people do not view race as in inequality. However, have minorities sit aroudn and complain about how the shoudl be treated equal untill such inequality works in their favor is extreamly hypocrytical, a huge double-standard and vastly disingenuious.
I'm happy to judge people by the content of their character *or* the color of their skin, but it's an either/or propsition. You dont' get to play out of one rule book for civil rights and another rule book for college admissions.

Lawrence<fter all, our current generation, generation y, has absolutely no redeeming qualities to it as a whole. Physically we're weak and obese. Mentally we're lacking basic language and math skills. Spiritually, we have little ethical, mystical and theological understanding of anything> What a miserable world you must live in, no offense intended.
Seriously, this is a fantastic generation to be in; less so if you hold certain political belifs, but overall, it's increadably vast with oppertunity.
Physical health is becoming a major discussion point, peopelk are fighting junk food in schools and eating healither.
Mentally, the failing public schaool system is being abandoned, replaced by private schools and home schooling, to the point that some state government are becoming seriously worried.
Theologically, more young people are religions, and many are folling those traditions. There's a huge decrease int eh number of illegatme births and a large increase in the number of people waiting until marrage to have sex.
We are witnessing the rebirth of America as a world power, we recognise this it is a dangerous world and we are ready to sacrifice everything to help make it a better place. I'll reference the huge number of enlistments following 9-11.
We are discarding the whiny psudo-socilism of the 90's and replacing it with resolve, and fightig back aginst the rot that has taken hold of our institutions and our culture.
Our nation, and in fact, the world, is in a state of extreme flux, tryting to redefine itself. It is our duty and our gift to be the ones the shape that future.
I speak to the world when I say that "this is our time"; we shall decide wether genetic engineering will be used to lenghten life, or cheapen it. We will decide the corse of the radical Muslim world. We will be faocred to deal with a new age of nuclear proliferation. We will reach out to unknown fronteers in a new era of exploration, backed my emerging technologies in nanomechancs, quantum physics.
If it becomes necessary we will ride into battle with the most devestaing weapons known to this earth, and we will hope, constantly, for peace, so our knowledge can be put to better use, to heal and to help.
We can be the Greatest Generation. I intend to do so.

Hyperion
Thursday, February 6, 2003 07:25:11 PM
IP: 151.199.240.230

<<Josh: Yes, it does. However, if their grades, scores, and essays don't reflect the same level of discipline and hard work, then all it shows is that they are gifted at a particular sport. They probably do not have the skills to graduate or succeed in a college-level environment.>>

Bah, you're making the assumption that college actually requires intellect. Maybe thirty years ago, but these days a chimp can get a degree.

<<It doesn't matter. The problem with Affirmative Action is that my straight A's and 95th percentile SAT scores aren't enough to get me into a good school because I'm WHITE. Therefore, some kid who *may* be less qualified gets in instead.>>

If you're in the 95th percentile, you're going to college. I don't care what race you are. Don't blow things up to absurdity.

Now, is affirmative action unfair? Of course it is... but things will solve themselves. After all, our current generation, generation y, has absolutely no redeeming qualities to it as a whole. Physically we're weak and obese. Mentally we're lacking basic language and math skills. Spiritually, we have little ethical, mystical and theological understanding of anything. There will be equality, but it will be because the scum will sink to the bottom or the institutions of society will lose all relevancy.
Laurence
Thursday, February 6, 2003 12:58:27 PM
IP: 128.233.232.24

GSIDE - Well, I don't know if the author had seen "Time Bandits" as well (and I honestly didn't even think of it until you mentioned it). The transformation of Smaug's hoard into a wormhole map seemed more a case simply of revising a fantasy story in a "mythical age" setting to fit a high-tech futuristic setting; a map showing spaceships how to get to far-off planets without having to take hundreds of years to get there would certainly be more appealing to such a society than simply a hoard of gold and jewels.

Another interesting little change in the book: the equivalent of the goblins/Orcs in it was a group of mad scientist-types called Ressurectionists, who hunt down clones for the purpose of taking them apart and using their central nerve systems to power their machines. They take the attitude that it's all right for them to do that since clones are, in their view, not people but merely copies of people, redundancies, and therefore killing them isn't immoral. (The dwarf-equivalents in the book are clones).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 6, 2003 07:42:42 AM
IP: 67.75.183.160

Still not technically done with my finite element homework. You'd think after three office hours I'd be able to get it, but nooooo...now apparently I've mathematically "proven" a way to create energy. Now if I can just get it patented.

Got a chance to do some real work in the lab today for my research group. We actually got part of this computer working (the computer controls a giant load frame for testing rock samples). Its cool...

Taleweaver: <<Primarily because the argument against is so disingenuious>>: So you don't really support it, you just support it because all similar things aren't being fought over? That's retarded. <<I've yet to see it popularly talked about to get rid of admissions based on athletic achievement or legacies>>: Probably because no one cares about the former, they like it (I strongly disapprove of someone getting in just because they are a good athlete. They should compete for spots with the rest of us). As for the latter, not enough people get in that way to care. <<Anyone who has networked to get a job or an interview or anything else is using an advantage not necessarily merited>>: Wrong. Networking and social abilities are SKILLS, and they reflect on your ability to integrate into a workplace and help the group. They are highly marketable and very prized. The ability to interview well is also a skill. And they take work to get good at them, I know from experience. Race is not a skill. Neither is legacy, and people shouldn't get jobs for either one. <<the facet of reverse discrimination is a shallow one from where I see it>>: Well you aren't white. <<one got sugar sap over my nice clean floors>>: I agree. And when did Kennedy turn lesbian!? But that line from Giles was great "You think I'm evil if I take teenage girls on a camping trip and DON'T touch them!?"

Laurence: <<It takes discipline and hard work to be able to perform at a college level>>: Yes, it does. However, if their grades, scores, and essays don't reflect the same level of discipline and hard work, then all it shows is that they are gifted at a particular sport. They probably do not have the skills to graduate or succeed in a college-level environment. Such a person has no place in a university. There are plenty of athletes with good scores, good grades, and talent outside of athletics. These people deserve to go. <<I'm not really worried about "affirmative action". After all, most college students are dumber than dirt anyway... you know besides being white and monstrously obese>>: It doesn't matter. The problem with Affirmative Action is that my straight A's and 95th percentile SAT scores aren't enough to get me into a good school because I'm WHITE. Therefore, some kid who *may* be less qualified gets in instead.

Kathy: <<It implies that those who are not white and male aren't capable of getting anywhere on their own merit>>: You know, in a country supposedly run by white males, everyone else sure has an awful lot of power... <<It institutionalizes second class citizenship>>: Without all the downsides of second-class citizenship.

Greg X: <<In my on going quest to be the new asshole of the CR>>: Keep going. SJ's disappearance left a giant sucking sound... <<here's today's post>>: You're gonna need to be meaner than that. <<We talked about how German people are all evil>>: Stupid class. My roommate just got back from Spain where his sister lives, and the ditz actually told him that "all Germans are nazis, I've met them". <<It's amazing what one can do with a simple baseball bat>>: But can he do it without get arrested? <>: LOL. <<why could the Republicans have not picked McCain to run for President?>>: Something about "gooks". I seriously think that was it. Of course, the fact that he's not right enough could have something to do with it.

Gside: <>: You're in for disappointment, then. <<As are non circular axles with constant diameter>>: How? <>: Likely not the blue ones.

Bud-Clare: <<I'd keep tripping over them.>>: I think they'd be under the floor, but thank you 8-) It's the building you'd trip over, since without vertical elements the building would be a pancake 8-) <<smart people always agree?>>; Don't I wish. Research would be a lot easier that way. <<were you thinking that you'd get to have a political party all to yourself?>>: Its not a party with just one person...

118. If I have equipment which performs an important function, it will not be activated by a lever that someone could trigger by accidentally falling on when fatally wounded.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, February 6, 2003 03:57:38 AM
IP: 64.161.24.181

Josh> <<Yes, horizontal columns are possible.>>
I'd keep tripping over them.

<<The dumb people would want to think they were smart, so they'd vote the same way as the smart party.>>
So... smart people always agree? Or were you thinking that you'd get to have a political party all to yourself?

Gside> <<Are you sure it was annotated, or just straight Snark?>>
That's why I started that sentence with "I think"... I remember that I read it (and not _too_ long ago, either), but other than that, there's just a snark-shaped hole in my memory. I just seem to remember "annotated" being on the cover... Why?

Laurence> <<After all, most college students are dumber than dirt anyway...>>
*L* That's a good point.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, February 6, 2003 03:09:49 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Bud Clare> <>: Are you sure it was annotated, or just straight Snark?

Imzadi> <<Its stuff like that which makes me think: "great, now will all those freaks please shut up?!">>: Probably not. A lot of them aren't Catholic.
<<Best of luck with that>>: I shall take that as encouragement.
<<Douglas Adams>>: They're both british humor.
<<Yes, horizontal columns are possible>>: As are non circular axles with constant diameter.
<<They're for downloading?>>: If you wish. Unfortunately I can't enforce it.

Laurence> <<most college students are dumber than dirt anyway... you know besides being white and monstrously obese>>: Hey. I'm not monstrously. And I think there are some varieties of mud than which I'm smarter.

And yeah, it's pretty soon after another, but the mp3 is by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. Suite Judy Blue Eyes.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, February 6, 2003 12:57:38 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

I adjure you all to read "Changing Season" by Summer Jackel

Simply the most beautifully written Gargoyle's story I've ever had the pleasure to read. Aspects of bright and dark so intense and pleasing I am riven with the magic of them.

>^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 03:55:45 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

In my on going quest to be the new asshole of the CR, here's today's post ;)

Well class was fun today. We talked about how German people are all evil. Look at what they've done through history, and what their Anglo-Saxon descendents have done... it was fun ;)

DPH> <<For those wondering, Gunjack could verify that I am relative weakling so in a confrontation, it's uphill for me.>>

It's amazing what one can do with a simple baseball bat.

REVEL> <<And despite how much I like Mara, I don't agree with her "everyone should try bi-sexuality" statement.>> I don't either. Unless they're women. Then there's more chances for threesomes, or watching some good old girl on girl action. Yum.

Saw Colin Powell on TV today making his case before the U.N. Glad it was him as he's the only one in that administration I trust, the rest are all a bunch of Nazi crooks. I announced it in my LJ, so I may as well say it here...

If Bush gets re-elected, I'm moving to Rio. I'm even beginning to brush up on my Portugese

BUD-CLARE> <<*L* He actually said those things? Damn... maybe I should have watched after all.>>

He's such a moron.

<<(You know what else is funny? Turning the sound off while he's talking. He makes the funniest faces...)>>

LOL, yeah. What a chimp.

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION> I'm very much against it. I think people should get places base on their own merits, not their race or even how much money they make. A 'C' student should not get into Stamford just because he's black, just like the Smirker should not have gotten into Yale just because his daddy is rich. And after he flunked out of the University of Texas too.

JOSH> <<Many dumb republicans>> Why, oh why could the Republicans have not picked McCain to run for President??? <<Welcome to college, where the liberals BEAT the conservatives for not being "open minded".>> GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!! ;)

"Genetic engineering helps us correct God's horrible mistakes. Like German people"
- Mr. Garrison
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 03:08:45 PM
IP: 216.179.1.83

Affirmative action is racist/sexist. It implies that those who are not white and male aren't capable of getting anywhere on their own merit. It institutionalizes second class citizenship. Why would anybody cling to such outdated thinking?
kathy
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 02:38:05 PM
IP: 66.82.160.7

What's wrong with gaining admission to institutions of higher learning based on athletic acheivement? It takes discipline and hard work to be able to perform at a college level. As well, it is also probably a more effective way than affirmitive action for minority students to gain access to college. But I'm not really worried about "affirmative action". After all, most college students are dumber than dirt anyway... you know besides being white and monstrously obese. ;)
Laurence
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 11:19:41 AM
IP: 128.233.231.149

Affirmative Action> Well, I finally found something to spur me out of lurker mode. On this issue I am a supporter of affirmative action. Primarily because the argument against is so disingenuious. There are a lot of reasons people get into college some are less fair than others, but I don't see the same witch-hunt style zeal to get them banned. I've yet to see it popularly talked about to get rid of admissions based on athletic achievement or legacies. Only race is considered the great inequality. Plus, I find it hypocritical that merit is the believable measure by which we operate in this society. Anyone who has networked to get a job or an interview or anything else is using an advantage not necessarily merited.

There is tons of things wrong with affirmative action: lack of focus, lack of a defined goal. But the facet of reverse discrimination is a shallow one from where I see it.

I'll end this rant here, Moving on to Buffy: WTF?
What a weak ending? Two stories didn't get any resolution and one got sugar sap over my nice clean floors. I hope they explain things next episode. I've already moved it from the must-tape list to the must watch. I don't want to move it to the 'only if nothing else is on' list. That list is filled to bursting.

C'YA
Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 10:52:48 AM
IP: 24.205.117.85

Finally! The programming assignment is complete (finally figured out how to filter those chessboards) and the Berkeley app is submitted. Now all I do is sit on my @$$ until Wednesday when I have my Apple interview.

Stephen: <<seems the Vatican is giving the Harry Potter series its gold star!>>: Its stuff like that which makes me think: "great, now will all those freaks please shut up?!"

Hyperion: <<I'm not sure if I should ditch the cookies, or just go ahead and eat them>>: They're probably drugged so she can keep you around to fix her computer. <<the crew was a "trinity of evil" you know, Christians, Jew and Hindus>>: Oh, that's rich. Where do people come up with this stuff? <<After all being black should count almost twice as much as getting at 1600 on the SATs>>: Grrr... <<I'm sure the company is happy>>: No, the company is miserable. Its Uncle Sam who makes these rules, and HE'S happy. <<Obviously you have little understanding of space construction>>: I was joking. A real engineer would just say "duct tape is all I need". Besides, I assure you I have a great appreciation for a construction environment devoid of both significant gravity and oxygen 8-) <<you'd think something would appear somewhere once in awhile...and that it'd be actually useful>>: Once in a while, yes, randomly. But not very predictably. <<People tend to get smeared into a thin red paste when you do that. They hate that>>: Screw 'em if they can't take a joke 8-)

Spacebabie: <<Smooth unless your school is built like mine and they stick English majors all over the darn place>>: Fortunately, it is not. Just as well, I think I'd jump off Evans Hall. <<Please don’t ask how folks>>: We know how.

DPH: <<Gunjack could verify that I am relative weakling so in a confrontation, it's uphill for me>>: At some point, that doesn't hold up anymore. My best friend has been a doormat for as long as I've known him, but just last week he showed some spine and told his girlfriend to come back when she wasn't so screwed up. <<Actually, yes, because it protects them against some lawsuits>>: Only because that silly affirmative action exists in the first place. <<was my first statement ("Happy Ground Hog's Day. Damn, I saw my shadow today.") too subtle?>>: Uh, yes. <>: Too bad it doesn't include spreading paranoia based on unfounded rumor. Maybe then he'd shut up. <<did anyone else hear a report that NASA rejected the idea of adding the ability to inspect the space shuttles while in orbit a few years back?>>: Good. Too expensive. <<Is there any way to harvest the heat energy created during re-entry?>>: With what? <<Isn't there any way to test stuff to ensure the system should work during re-entry?>>: Why would they need to work on re-entry? "Uh, sir? sensors show that we're going down, and the surface is hot." "No sh!t, major." In any case, there really isn't a way to test re-entry environment, since we only have simulations and they aren't perfect. <<PHD>>: You wish.

Gside: <<But there might be me>>: That's nice. Best of luck with that. <<It's more likely to be used in a Discworld book, though>>: Douglas Adams. <<Why don't you try a couple horizontal?>>: Because that would be really wasteful. Yes, horizontal columns are possible. <<Do you mean memory or a file?>>: Memory. An array, specifically. Whatever, I figured it out. <>: They're for downloading?

Bud-Clare: <<It's official: I'm mad>>: We've known that for a long time. <<Not unless the smart votes were worth more, cuz they've got us _way_ outnumbered>>: No, see, that's just it. The dumb people would want to think they were smart, so they'd vote the same way as the smart party. Viola! Stuff gets done! <<What the hell is going on?>>: Nevermind. <<In all fairness, the conservatives were probably being snotty>>: Not in a protest. In a debate, maybe. But those rarely get violent. <<why the hell are you asking me?>>: No idea. <<That wasn't subtle, it just didn't make sense to anyone but you>>: So it was in code? <>: mmmm...smores...

117. No matter how much I want revenge, I will never order an underling "Leave him. He's mine!"

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 03:39:57 AM
IP: 64.161.25.201

Patrick> <<I've been re-reading "Alice in Wonderland" recently and that reply just struck me as very reminscent of certain conversations in that book.>>
*L* It's official: I'm mad. Gotta go have a tea party now.

Gside> <<And the Annotated Snark, but that's a bit hard to get.>>
I think that's the one I read. Very snarky.

Josh> <<It would be so cool if there were two parties, one for smart people and one for dumb people.>>
Not unless the smart votes were worth more, cuz they've got us _way_ outnumbered...

<<NEIN.>>
HAI. What the hell is going on?

<<Welcome to college, where the liberals BEAT the conservatives for not being "open minded".>>
In all fairness, the conservatives were probably being snotty. ;)

<<What about scholarships? Do you think its okay for scholarships to be offered to any minority student who applies, as opposed to us white people who have to qualify first?>>
Er... I'm not aware of any scholarships where that is the case. But then, I'm not really an expert on scholarships. And why the hell are you asking me?

DPH> <<Ok, was my first statement ("Happy Ground Hog's Day. Damn, I saw my shadow today.") too subtle?>>
That wasn't subtle, it just didn't make sense to anyone but you.

<<Hinting about it is much more fun.>>
For who?

<<Is there any way to harvest the heat energy created during re-entry?>>
I suppose that they could use it to toast marshmallows.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 02:09:41 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

The February issue of Sabledrake magazine is now posted! Click or go to http://www.sabledrake.com/magazine.htm

Was I hallucinating, or was that Brent Spiner on the plane with Lillith at the end of tonight's "Frasier"? I wasn't watching, only had it on for background noise, but it sure sounded like him.
Christine - [<---- new issue of Sabledrake!]
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 12:44:42 AM
IP: 65.239.13.178

Imzadi> <<Then I don't have to worry about you hitting on me at G2k3>>: But there might be me.
<<That would be a great line for a Harry Potter book>>: It's more likely to be used in a Discworld book, though.
<<Do you think its okay for scholarships to be offered to any minority student who applies, as opposed to us white people who have to qualify first?>>: Depends on who's offering. If it's the school, that might be a bit wrong. If it's a group that wants to help themselves out, that's their perogative.
<<That's why columns are vertical and not diagonal>>: Why don't you try a couple horizontal?
<>: Do you mean memory or a file?
<<Do NOT!>>: Is it really that great of a threat? It just means a lag of half a week until I put up something new you might like. And I don't think many people download my mp3s anyway.

Todd> <<a legendary map created by a long-lost alien civilization that shows every worm-hole in the galaxy>>: You sure it's not taking any bits from Time Bandits too?
<<"The Hunting of the Snark" - each chapter is even headed by a quote from the poem>>: A poem that was written backwards. The last line came first, then the rest flowed from there.

Spacebabie> <<You put it on your tongue?>>: Nah, in the tub. It said lemon scented, but not with the concentration of vapor hanging around.
<<Well when you are done you need to rent Empire Records>>: I'm working my way around.
<<Please don�t ask how folks>>: A little accident with instant nyanichuan?

DPH> <<Is there any way to harvest the heat energy created during re-entry?>>: Not easily, as your first priority is that you don't burn up, and thinning the tiles to use the energy would probably make things too weak.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, February 5, 2003 12:05:42 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

**INCOMING RANT**
I had a fight today with a moron about sleep, so if spelling errors seep in, you know why. I am dead tired and he wants me to stay up. Sorry, this isn't about me, but him being dominant.

For those wondering, Gunjack could verify that I am relative weakling so in a confrontation, it's uphill for me.
**END INCOMING RANT**

Thanks to all of those who wished me a happy birthday.

Hyperion - <In order to meet certain federally mandated quotas they promoted a african-americian and a woman into management positions over several more qualified applications.> Was there a glass ceiling in the company? <But I'm sure the company is happy that they made their quotas for minorities and women in management positions. After all, that's what's really important, right?> Actually, yes, because it protects them against some lawsuits.

Imzadi - <True. But unfortunately, I don't believe its a good idea to include at the cost of compromising your goals. > Yea, the point can be made you don't want Muslims joining a Christian organization whose goal is to place bibles everywhere. How long before some Christian denominations get sued for not allowing women to become priests? <I'm posting frequently to stave off flame wars which I'm invariably started.> Good idea. <You're supposed to be more subtle.> Ok, was my first statement ("Happy Ground Hog's Day. Damn, I saw my shadow today.") too subtle? <The thing you're not realizing here is that the probability of survival for such an escape system is so low that its impossible to justify the expense of development.> That's understable.

Gabriel - And creates another generation with prejudice.

Patrick - <the DJ was going on and on about how he KNEW terrorism was responsible> I guess his definition of terrorism includes implementing neglient decisions.

Bud-Clare - <You know, other people just _say_ it's their birthday.> Hinting about it is much more fun.

Durid - <I've been out of touch for awhle> Who are you? Just joking. You probably missed a whole bunch of stuff, including Timedancer Season 4 finished being released in **November** of last year. Wait. It hasn't quite been 3 months since TGS released any stories.

BTW, did anyone else hear a report that NASA rejected the idea of adding the ability to inspect the space shuttles while in orbit a few years back?

Dezi - <A chute could've helped there> A shute would be usefull in outer space and probably would burn up during re-entry (assuming the pod was well insultated).

That brings me to a stupid question: Is there any way to harvest the heat energy created during re-entry?

Hyperion - <To literally inspect every wire et al. would require rebuilding the Shuttle every time.> I heard that routinely sensors fail during re-entry. Isn't there any way to test stuff to ensure the system should work during re-entry? < Excellent in theory, sucks in the balance sheet. Yes, I know, cost of human life etc. but that's not the way things work, unfortunately.> True enough and I know that spending an infinite amount of money on Space Shuttle maintance will *not* create a perfect record. However, designing the space vehicle to be more maintance friendly should be the goal.

Stephen -< No, I'm upset because the Columbia is/was the oldest bird in the Shuttle fleet (22 years old!), and in all honest accounts, she should have been decommissioned and sent to a museum years ago! Granted we have younger shuttles, but even at 10 years they need to be seriously considered questionable for performance at that age.> Sorry, but space vehicles need to be designed to last for 20-30 years, considering the cost of replacement.

Imzadi - <What for? Its a shuttle mission.> Considering the amount of money invested in it, I want it protected. I grant that it's extremely to turn the space shuttle into a weapon of mass destruction, but all the same, I would like to be able to assure the astronauts that only authorized personell have worked on that shuttle.

Archwolf - <DHP> it's DPH or PHD.

Dezi - <My little sister is five. I was about her age when Challenger blew> I had a hyperactive teacher at the time of the Challenger disaster.

Green Baron - <Judge not, lest ye be judged. Besides, what you believ and what I believe are quite different from waht God believs.> Very true.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 11:25:19 PM
IP: 204.94.193.28

kathy > In that case, all I can say is thank goodness they came along and made "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"... or he might still be at it today. :P
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 10:20:04 PM
IP: 67.38.255.249

Mr. Nimoy once fancied a career as a folk singer/classical guitarist. The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins was done during his exploration of options outside of Star Trek.

Back to Lurk Mode
kathy
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 09:00:32 PM
IP: 66.82.160.1

Finished my fic for class and I got to print it. The damn printer was out of black onkc. Had to stop by Staples today to pick up a new pack.

Did a few updates too my site. Mainly uploaded a new story…going to work on more foot notes and add more to my characters list.

Heh as I was typing this I recieved an notice for an e-mail from Jericho...I better check it out.

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SPOILERS for Boston Public

I figured a student that was that much of a kiss ass had to have some sort of problem.
I still feel bad for Colin but also bad for that girl…at least the whole situation helped awaken the poet from with in.
**********SPOILERS END***

Happy belated birthday DPH

Gside<<<Did that with a bottle of ammonia recently. >>>You put it on your tongue?<<<But I've managed three so far.>>>Well when you are done you need to rent Empire Records<<<The kind of schools you're talking about would generally count as straight Japanese schoolgirl generators.>>>Okay that’s the kind that I want

Josh<<<Scored "Gone in 60 Seconds" for $13.>>> Sounds like a good deal<<<They have the time, they just choose not to.>>>I guess they would just like to raise a stink<<<And I choose to be on the opposite side of campus >>>Smooth unless your school is built like mine and they stick English majors all over the darn place.<<<I'll be sure to keep an eye out.>>>Surprised that I didn’t gross you out.<<<Good. Then I don't have to worry about you hitting on me at G2k3>>>He’ll probably be with me the whole time anyways :P

Revel<<>>Please don’t ask how folks <<>>I guess it was confused.

Leo>>>Good lord!

Stephen>>>It’s not the Catholics it’s the Southern Baptists that are raising a hissy.

Patrick>>>Intersting how they main couple in gargoyles appeared on separate versions of CSI

25. “There is no handicap so great in life as the lack of courage to go on after loss or failure.”~Pam Brown
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 06:24:10 PM
IP: 67.28.69.227

Ah...nothing like getting cookies from a kindly old lady after fixing her computer. Unfortunately, she seemed just a bit *too* kindly, so I'm not sure if I should ditch the cookies, or just go ahead and eat them.
It doesn’t help that the other guy I was with has been out of contact all morning...this is unusual...hmm...

From the "Bad Photoshop" files, we get this little gem:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30847

Wherein someone apparently added cracks to the wing of Columbia...weird...

And unsurprisingly, fanatical Muslims claimed that the destruction of Columbia was a sign from Allah. And that the crew was a "trinity of evil" you know, Christians, Jew and Hindus. Yeah...gotta watch those militant Hindus...
Surprisingly, though, the general Muslim community is actually enraged by these comments, leading me to have hope for the entire religion.

Affirmative action> See, I like this idea. I think it's great that we in the US can say to a group of people: "It's ok, we understand that you're just not intelligent enough to get into colleges on your own, so we'll give you a hand. After all being black should count almost twice as much as getting at 1600 on the SATs. It's ok, <pat,pat,pat> we understand"
and then you have the minority in question going "Yeah, that's great!"

As a small case study, I'll refer to a friend of mine currently employed at a major grocery chain. In order to meet certain federally mandated quotas they promoted a african-americian and a woman into management positions over several more qualified applications. Now, how much actual respect do you think those tow people get. I'll help; absolutely none! Everyone in the organization knows exactly why those two are in their position and that all know it has nothing to do with merit. As a result, their effectiveness quotient can be expressed in negatives.
But I'm sure the company is happy that they made their quotas for minorities and women in management positions. After all, that's what's really important, right?

Dezi><Man, you have to have seen The Cape> Actually I never even heard of the show...but "going [somewhere] and duct taping [something] is a pretty standard mechanical problem solving step for me.

Bud-Claire><And wait for a crazy person to bomb the church> Well, you always sit in a log cabin in the middle of Montana with a obscenely overpowered rifle and a scope stolen from NASA and pick off anything living that crosses your property line.

Josh><Obviously, you are not an engineer>Obviously you have little understanding of space construction. :-)
<Things don't magically appear on the moon>Ironic, isn't it? I mean with all the crap jumping around in Plank space, you'd think something would appear somewhere once in awhile...and that it'd be actually useful
Actually the main problem is getting *people* out of the gravity well, material you can shoot out of some rail gun at some obscene g-force. People tend to get smeared into a thin red paste when you do that. They hate that.

Gabriel "gaygoyle"><we can convert them to our hip and cool alternative life-style> Bug chasers. 'nuff said. Wonk. Wonk. Wonk.

Mmm…good cookies.
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"For a meal with such an honored guest, there are rituals and traditions. The food must be sanctified during each of the fifteen stages of cooking. For instance, the spices must be blessed and a specific prayer spoken when they are used, each spice can only be used once, of course, and in the correct order. If an error is made, entire meal must be abandoned and you must begin again from scratch."
"So, when do you sleep?"
"One does not sleep during the cooking. It could lead to error. So, for two days Lennier has not slept. In order to remain pure, he has taken only water and bread."
Hyperion
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 01:26:56 PM
IP: 151.199.238.21

Todd > What I meant was what was the connection THEN, in the late 60s(?), when that atrocious music video was made. Was Nimoy hosting something related to "Lord of the Rings"? Or was he just desperate for work, any work?

And on a quick "where are they now" note...

Last week, Keith David had a guest appearance as the operator of a youth center on the original "CSI." And last night, I am pretty sure Salli Richardson had a guest appearance as a policewoman on "CSI: Miami." I'm not entirely sure yet... I only glanced up at the opening credits in time to catch a breif glimpse of her name, and the phony Miss Cleo accent the character had made a positive voice identification very difficult. If you can picture Elisa as Jamaican... den hey, mon, dis might be one worth catchin' later on de season. ;)
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 12:35:56 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

PATRICK - Well, I've never heard the "Ballad of Bilbo Baggins" myself (and in light of everything that I've heard about it so far, that's probably something that I should be thankful for), but one can actually bring up some sort of connection between Nimoy and "The Hobbit" - Nimoy was a "Star Trek" actor; a lot of "Star Trek" actors (though not him) were voice actors in "Gargoyles"; another voice actor in "Gargoyles" was John Rhys-Davies; Rhys-Davies also played the part of Gimli in the LotR movies - you get the picture.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 09:03:46 AM
IP: 67.28.93.224

Durid: No TGS start date annoncements yet. Stay tuned.
Ed
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 07:20:01 AM
IP: 131.111.8.102

Space Shuttle > I stumbled last night upon this article written in 1980 for the Washington Monthly (click my name). It really seemed to put some historical perspective on how long NASA has known about some of the problems that are just now being targeted by the media. One paragraph I found particulary telling in light of the discussion that's been ongoing in here:

** Begin Quote **

Some suspect the tile mounting is the least of Columbia's difficulties. "I don't think anybody appreciates the depths of the problems," Kapryan says. The tiles are the most important system NASA has ever designed as "safe life." That means there is no back-up for them. If they fail, the shuttle burns on reentry. If enough fall off, the shuttle may become unstable during landing, and thus un-pilotable. The worry runs deep enough that NASA investigated installing a crane assembly in Columbia so the crew could inspect and repair damaged tiles in space. (Verdict: Can't be done. You can hardly do it on the ground.)

** End Quote **

Ballad of Bilbo > WTF! What on earth does Leonard Nimoy with a Beatles haircut and a quintette of blond bimbos have to do with "The Hobbit"? And who wrote that tune? At the risk of sounding like Simon Cowell, that's got to be the worst thing I've ever heard.

Just what I needed echoing in my head as I head off to work. Thanks, Leo. :P
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 07:07:27 AM
IP: 67.38.255.249

Funny thing that Bilbo Baggins and Lewis Carroll's works should both be mentioned here this morning, since I recently came across a book that blends the two together, "There and Back Again" by Pat Murphy. It's a rather oddball "rewrite" of "The Hobbit" as a space opera - here, the Bilbo-equivalent is a "norbit", one of a group of people who live in hollowed-out asteroids in the asteroid belt of our solar system in the future and like to stay there rather than go space exploring, who gets pulled off by a group of space explorers on a quest to find a legendary map created by a long-lost alien civilization that shows every worm-hole in the galaxy. It's definitely weird, but kind of fun. It also incorporates references to Lewis Carroll's "The Hunting of the Snark" - each chapter is even headed by a quote from the poem.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 06:58:26 AM
IP: 65.57.56.2

Just saw this this morning... seems the Vatican is giving the Harry Potter series its gold star!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030203/ap_on_en_mo/vatican_harry_potter_3

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 04:43:30 AM
IP: 65.35.132.55

So close to finished with these cursed assignments. My programming prof showed me a neat trick for storing the results of the chess problem, so I'll have to implement that by Thursday. Finite element assignment has a nasty sign error somewhere, I know because when I pull down on a spring my math says it displaces upward (neat trick, huh?).

Berkeley app is |---| this close to being done.

Gabriel: <<the gay agenda>>: You have an agenda? Damn, I don't even have an agenda, and I'm trying to conquer the world. I'd better get working if I hope to beat out the gay community. <<you realize I was joking right>>: Of course I do. My concern was that you'd spark some larger anti-Josh thing ;-) <<Berkely republicans are more than likely libertarians. Just a thought>>: Possibly. Interestingly enough, the official stance of the paper on abortion is not yet decided, apparently the staff is split. <<The Republican party wants to be inclusive because it has the stigma of being racist>>: True. But unfortunately, I don't believe its a good idea to include at the cost of compromising your goals.

Revel: <>: Good. Then I don't have to worry about you hitting on me at G2k3 8-)

Durid: <<Any news on when the next season is going to come out?>>: Never.

Lila: <<Does being smart and intolerant of those less blessed intellectually always connotate being Republican?>>: It would be so cool if there were two parties, one for smart people and one for dumb people. Unfortunately, such is not the case. Many dumb republicans and many smart democrats...sadly.

Bud-Clare: <<?>>: NEIN. <<it's damned rude of them not to>>: LOL! That would be a great line for a Harry Potter book. <<You're good at it.>>: Its a gift. Or is it a curse? <<the bratty college students literally will not let him speak. They scream and yell about him being racist so that he can't get a word in edgewise>>: Welcome to college, where the liberals BEAT the conservatives for not being "open minded". <<Everyone deserves an equal chance, but no one deserves a free ride>>: What about scholarships? Do you think its okay for scholarships to be offered to any minority student who applies, as opposed to us white people who have to qualify first? <<I'll be damned if I'm going to do it>>: LOL good attitude.

Leo: <<Scarry $h!t>>: I'll thank you to never do that again.

Gside: <<Fear my leet skills>>: Typo. <<will they ever get cheap enough to be disposable?>>: Most likely. <<must be sometime before milking time>>: True. <<So? You're a civE>>: So we like the easy way out. That's why columns are vertical and not diagonal 8-) <<Three dimensional array perhaps?>>: Der. I meant actually store them in memory 8-) <<Be careful, I may just post it>>: Do NOT!

116. If I capture the hero's starship, I will keep it in the landing bay with the ramp down, only a few token guards on duty and a ton of explosives set to go off as soon as it clears the blast-range.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 02:02:57 AM
IP: 64.173.21.135

I learned socket programming today. Fear my leet skills.

Imzadi> <<If paper-thin monitors are ever developed>>: But will they ever get cheap enough to be disposable?
<<When is that, exactly?>>: Not sure myself, but it must be sometime before milking time.
<<With MATLAB, it'd be silly to do it any other way>>: So? You're a civE. There are places dedicated to listing computer stupidities, some even from the trained.
<<The catch is that I haven't yet figure out a way to store the outputted solution arrays so that I can compare them>>: Three dimensional array perhaps?
<>: Yeah, I was mostly talking to myself, and partially for anyone listening in.

Patrick> <<I've been re-reading "Alice in Wonderland" recently>>: I do reccommend you get Martin Gardner's Annotated Alice. And the Annotated Snark, but that's a bit hard to get.

Leo> <<Scarry $h!t>>: So you've found the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins. Be careful, I may just post it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 12:20:16 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Leo -- Yikes! Where on earth did that come from? Now I will have nightmares of Vulcan's and Hobbits. Dang... should have known Spock was a pervy Hobbit fancier. >^,,^<

MC
Mooncat
Tuesday, February 4, 2003 12:09:04 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Scarry $h!t. <8-I

O M G!!!!!

(It will take a while to load if you use Dial-up)
Leo - [<-click]
Monday, February 3, 2003 10:12:09 PM
IP: 172.175.227.9

Sorry I didn't "get" it: Happy Birthday DPH.
It's freakin' raining here in Indy. One more reason to hate this horrible horrible place. It's 50 degrees here and raining, tonite it'll snow and in two days we'll be back in the nice 20's. Where's the consistency! It's February! We still have "winter" until March!
News of the weird: (or gross) Turns out these three teens on Long Island robbed some graves, stole the bones of the bodies and dressed one of them up as Darth Vader and took it to a party. (!) They then dumped the bones in a drainage conduit and got arrested. The AP referred to the whole thing as a prank. Body snatching is now reduced to a prank everyone! It's a free-for-all! (Of course charges were filed on three felonies).
My TV class producer loaned me a book called Bias, written by a former CBS employee of 28 years. He ratted out the liberal bias slant in the media, compared the CBS "family" to the Sopranos, and said "The Dan" (as opposed to the Don) wants him whacked. It looks to be a good read.

The Comm dept. was putting together a little brochure that included a little section for each area: TV, radio, newspaper and PR. The school is also very concerned with its diversity image right now, so for the pic on the newspaper section, I was selected for being somewhat mexican-american, and was supposed to act like I was explaining something in the paper to another editor who was black. All the other editors are white, and I personally don't think the two of us selected are all that photogenic.
Kinda silly really.
Dezi
Monday, February 3, 2003 09:47:19 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

I'm not even going to touch the space shuttle speculations today. I shut off the radio in the car at 7:30 AM because the DJ was going on and on about how he KNEW terrorism was responsible, and that just did it for me for the day on wanting to hear what random strangers who probably can't even name the nine planets KNOW to be true about the shuttle accident and the space program.

So what did I come in here for anyway? Oh yes... I just wanted to comment on one thing.

Bud Clare:
<< <<Things don't magically appear on the moon.>>
*L* Maybe they should. If fact, it's damned rude of them not to. Common courtesy demands that things appear out of nowhere.>>

LOL! I've been re-reading "Alice in Wonderland" recently and that reply just struck me as very reminscent of certain conversations in that book.
Patrick Toman
Monday, February 3, 2003 09:23:57 PM
IP: 67.38.255.249

Leo> <>
Fine, rephrase it then. I'll be damned if I'm going to do it.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, February 3, 2003 08:47:37 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Bud-Clare:<<If minorities do worse overall on standardized tests, it's because minorities tend to be poorer overall.>> ? I think this statement needs some rephrasing. If interpreted the "wrong" way, it could fan flames. :)
Leo
Monday, February 3, 2003 08:43:40 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Josh> <<Its a rammstein thing>>
?

<<So is it somehow cheaper to launch something to the moon and then to somewhere else? I think not.>>
Nope. So, until mining asteroids and such becomes feasible, the moonscape is safe. *cheers and opens a bottle of champagne*

<>
Ugh, me too. Even if there are no lifeforms whatsoever, it's so damned arrogant (not to mention expensive and time-consuming). Just because we (and by "we", I mean people other than me) arbitrarily decide that our landscape is better than another planet's existing landscape doesn't mean we have the right to totally wipe out that landscape.

<<Things don't magically appear on the moon.>>
*L* Maybe they should. If fact, it's damned rude of them not to. Common courtesy demands that things appear out of nowhere.

<<I'm posting frequently to stave off flame wars which I'm invariably started.>>
You're good at it. :P

Gabriel> <<unless it's an african-american doing, because then the audiences perception will be differant>>
You'd think so, wouldn't you? And you'd be wrong. There's some poor guy who goes to campuses _trying_ to speak out againt affirmative action, because he honestly believes that african-americans don't need that kind of help to succeed, but the bratty college students literally will not let him speak. They scream and yell about him being racist so that he can't get a word in edgewise. I was deeply embarassed on their behalf... What complete fucking idiots.

Affirmative action> Okay, I'm bored, so I 'm going to jump in. I don't approve of affirmative action in the workplace, because any inequalities that _might_ have existed pre-college ought to be gone by the time a person has graduated. And I don't approve of the present form of affirmative action in schools, because it doesn't make any sense. If minorities do worse overall on standardized tests, it's because minorities tend to be poorer overall. As it stands now, a minority kid who comes from a middle class family but slacked off in school could get into a college that he or she doesn't deserve, whereas a poor white kid who has the same grades and test scores as the minority kid won't get into that college, because he's white. It would, on the other hand, make sense to make some allowances for kids from low income families, but even that would have to be done carefully. For instance, if an inner-city kid doesn't _quite_ have the scores usually required for acceptance, instead of either accepting or turning them down immediately, they could be given a chance to prove that they deserve to go to that college. Maybe some extra teacher recommendations, retaking the SATs, some extra interviews... whatever. Everyone deserves an equal chance, but no one deserves a free ride.

'Kay. Done babbling now.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, February 3, 2003 08:32:29 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

I'm posting frequently to stave off flame wars which I'm invariably started.

Lila: <<Does being smart and intolerant of those less blessed intellectually always connotate being Republican?>>: Of course not. But it does help see the inherent irony and double standards in some democrat-sponsored programs.

Besides, Jerry Falwell is an idiot, I think most of my friends that are republicans would agree. If there are any Klan members at Berkeley, I've yet to meet them (and I don't think I'd want to, either).
Josh
Monday, February 3, 2003 05:37:34 PM
IP: 64.168.30.4

::Momentarily out of lurkdom::
Imzadi- Does being smart and intolerant of those less blessed intellectually always connotate being Republican?
Damn.
I'd always seen myself as so liberal that I'd gone around the loop to conservative on such issues. You expressed well the views on Affirmative Action etc... also noteworthy is that said service works backwards in some ways, creating "racism" where it need not exist. Segregation was done away with, this seems to be a throwback of sorts.
-lj
::realizes has stated controvercial view, and retreats from imminent flames::
Lila
LA, CA
Monday, February 3, 2003 05:30:50 PM
IP: 134.173.121.83

***Peeking In***

Green Baron: <So did you go to Sheppard AFB for AIT? So what do you do during your drills? Where are your two week assignemnst?> Sheppard AFB? I don't think so. 1/222 was my training unit for AIT. And for my two weeks a year I usually go to Camp Riply for a week, then some extra training somewhere else, depending on what is avaible. Last year it was to the Advanced Unit Maintaince faculty in Illionis. Anything Famaliar?

General Question: I've been out of touch for awhle, and was wondering what the TGS situation is. Any news on when the next season is going to come out?

***Peeking out***
Durid the Druid
MN
Monday, February 3, 2003 02:47:18 PM
IP: 12.162.211.130

Mostly a projects week, lots to do and get ready for.
I broke my keyboard tray on my desk, stupid plastic. Now I have to get that fixed.

Moment of silence for the Columbia crew.

Josh- No, Spacebabie does not have a penis, I am 100% sure of this. And despite how much I like Mara, I don't agree with her "everyone should try bi-sexuality" statement. Sorry Other Me :/

DPH- Happy birthday(or belated now)

Warpmind- The Matrix has you.

FireStorm. I will probably never see space too, except in my dreams and I can leave with that. My future my never be up there, even to jsut see it, so I enjoy what I ahve down here.

spacebabie- *warm cuddles* *SMOOCH* actually I know you froze because you don't like wasps but being perfectly stillw as probably the best thing you could have done, you did not upset it. Spring break cannot come soon enough :D

no quote, gotta run.

later
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Monday, February 3, 2003 02:39:27 PM
IP: 129.120.173.67

Forgot this:

My point with the affirmmative actions bit was this. The Republican party wants to be inclusive because it has the stigma of being racist (never mind the fact that Joe Leiberman said Ms. Rice wouldn' t be where she is without affirmative action--as if THAT weren't racist). In order to be inclusive, you can't delibartly attack a programme most african-americans hold dear, especially during balck history month (unless it's an african-american doing, because then the audiences perception will be differant). It's bad strategy and only further makes the party look stupid and racist. Don't get me wrong, i hate affirmative action, I think it's racist and discriminatory, telling me I need help cuz I'm mexican when i can damn well get what I want by myself. Yet common sense should tell this group that you don't offend the very people you're trying to include. This is the probelm I see with the Republican party here on my campus and on others: the do things that alienate rather than include.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Monday, February 3, 2003 01:58:51 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Josh> *sighs* you realize I was joking right. :) On another note, Berkely republicans are more than likely libertarians. Just a thought.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Monday, February 3, 2003 01:51:44 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

sorry, clarification: Larry Elder would be an example of someone who would see affirmative action for what it is, not someone who would get let into schools because of it.
Josh
Monday, February 3, 2003 01:41:13 PM
IP: 64.168.30.4

Gabriel: Unlike your paranoid state of mind would lead you to believe, none of the republicans at Berkeley are anti-gay. Neither are we anti-black, anti-jew or anti-any-other-racial/ethnic/sexual/religious group. We're simply anti-stupidity, anti spending money on stupid programs, and anti special treatment for some group because they feel they were wronged at some point.

If they start being disturbingly close-minded, I'll drop ship, because I don't feel that way. Remember, these are Berkeley republicans, which puts them just to the *left* of the middle (still too conservative for some people here).

They're not trying to bring in some group blindly. They're trying to bring in people who see affirmative action for what it is: a way to cut honest and hard-working students out of schools so someone with lesser grades/scores can get in. If those people happen to be african-american (i.e. Larry Elder), then so be it.
Josh
Monday, February 3, 2003 01:39:43 PM
IP: 64.168.30.4

Josh> <<My friend Ben is on the staff, and I'm very interested in what they have to say. Apparently they're going to celebrate black history month by really tearing into affirmative action>>

I'm sure they'll talk about the gay agenda, and how we are infiltrating children's minds so that we can convert them to our hip and cool alternative life-style :P.

I think this goes to show the brilliance of the Reupublican Party: let's bring in African-Americans by insulting the programes most of hem hold dear! How dumb of them.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Monday, February 3, 2003 11:20:18 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Just food shopping and some homework today. Scored "Gone in 60 Seconds" for $13. Also discovered a republican newspaper at Berkeley!

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030203-411416,00.html

My friend Ben is on the staff, and I'm very interested in what they have to say. Apparently they're going to celebrate black history month by really tearing into affirmative action.

I'm sending money.

Bud-Clare: <<Why am I always eighth lately?>>: Its a rammstein thing ;-) <<That's not ignorance, that's stupidity>>: Yeah, probably.

Stephen: <>: We have fleets of F-14's that beg to differ. <<some form of safety system (escape pod, breakaway cockpit module, etc.) needs to be developed for future craft>>: The thing you're not realizing here is that the probability of survival for such an escape system is so low that its impossible to justify the expense of development. Its just not likely to do any good. It wouldn't have helped here, it might not have helped with Challenger. <<How are you going to make it safe for the average person to fly into space if something like this or close to this happens then?>>: There's no safety system for passenger jets either, yet we frequently strap ourselves in and fly around the world. Why is this different?

Silvadel: <<they wanted to put up HUGE orbiting signs in low earth orbit that would be visible from the ground advertizing their products>>: They still do. And they still may. <<Eventually you may look up into a sky full of ads>>: If paper-thin monitors are ever developed, then you can expect tv-type ads on everything, from soda cans to bus stops to notebooks. <<the ability to launch rockets from the moon thus not having to deal with the very large gravity well of the earth making it MUCH cheaper to launch from there>>: So is it somehow cheaper to launch something to the moon and then to somewhere else? I think not. <<it is not THAT hostile -- you could build a dome with a decent environment inside>>: And if the dome fails? I know people can survive in artificial environments, but my point is that this isn't a biodome where if a window breaks, they say "oh well, its still breathable out there." <<the eventual terraforming of mars would be huge>>: Yes it would. I seriously question such transformations, however. Especially if there are life forms already present. <>: You would, of course, be wrong. Our B-52's are approaching 50 years old. They are post-war SAC planes. F-15's and F-14's were developed just after Vietnam, and none have been built in at least 10 years, just upgraded/retrofitted. The B-1 is a regan-era plane, which makes it at least 10. Those 1990's passed quicker than you realize ;-) <<there is a 3% chance of it blowing up but by saying something I might lose my job and/or cause a lot of effort to be expended so I am being quiet about it.>>: Not so easy when its your career on the line.

Mecord: <<but I don't think you realize how many jobs would be jepordized because of the retraining and everything that would take place>>: At some point, that argument isn't enough. Just because your dad will have to find a new job doesn't mean that we should leave everything the way it is. Some people will have to be inconvenienced because of change. Its thoughts like yours that motivate the behavior of the RIAA/MPAA and Microsoft.

Hyperion: <<It's not like you can send someone out there to duct tape a new tile on>>: Obviously, you are not an engineer 8-) <<anything that gets out of Earth's gravity well is halfway there, in terms of energy>>: But we have to get it there from Earth! Things don't magically appear on the moon.

Spacebabie: <<If they time to protest then they should have time to bathe properly>>: They have the time, they just choose not to. And I choose to be on the opposite side of campus 8-) <<this will be evident if the booger he pulls out is covered with blood>>: I'll be sure to keep an eye out.

Tony Elliot: <<why doesn’t anyone ever consider orbital tethers? What could be safer than a giant elevator?>>: Do you have any idea how strong that would have to be? I wouldn't want to be the structural engineer on that project. <<Wait a just a darn minute… warm and upper twenties in the same sentence!>>: My mother was annoyed when she was in New York and they referred to 27 degrees as "balmy". <>: No kidding. <<If we could get a probe up to even 1/10 the speed of light>>: HAHAHA no. It would require SO much energy to get something with any significant mass (like, enough for a camera) moving that fast, and another metric buttload of energy to get it to stop. Plus, at that speed, relativistic effects are significant, which means the engineering gets much more complicated. <<An 18” viewable monitor is plenty big for me>>: you'd think so, wouldn't you? But you use up any extra space you're given, and pretty soon you become desperate for a fix of monitor space. My roommate has Apple's new 23" flatscreen and a 17" flatscreen, and he's already bitching that he either needs more monitors or virtual desktops (he develops for Apple and needs to have many, many windows open at once). <<then you’d be, as Imzadi put it, “blindly faithful.”>>: So true. Though from my POV, "some maniac" could be "your mother" ;-)

Dezi: <<vhs beat beta only because panasonic can market better than sony>>: Yup. Of course, now Sony is a media empire unto itself, and that won't happen again. <<sony makes much better quality product>>: Just like Apple vs. Microsoft 8-)

DPH: You're supposed to be more subtle. Happy birthday.

Gside: <<how about before the cows come home?>>: When is that, exactly? <<Depends on if you represent the problem with a binary matrix or eight size two arrays>>: The former. With MATLAB, it'd be silly to do it any other way. <<you should be able to invert and exchane addresses of spaces holding queens>>: Yes, easy. The catch is that I haven't yet figure out a way to store the outputted solution arrays so that I can compare them. <<Of course not>>: Good. I was worried for a second. <<Which would send cost skyrocketing even more than the shuttle>>: I was kidding. I'm an engineer, I know all about cost 8-) <<Where would you find someone with the training to work something that's never been driven before?>>: Management school. <<Where would you put it to make sure it wouldn't get damaged in any explosion that would leave the cabin separate from the rest of the thing?>>: Good point. Obviously, no ejection system is full-proof.

115. I will not engage an enemy single-handedly until all my soldiers are dead.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, February 3, 2003 04:08:04 AM
IP: 64.168.30.4

Happy Birthday, DPH
Leo
Monday, February 3, 2003 01:51:44 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

This week, the episode archive pages for Dark Ages and Timedancer have been updated with a link to the Bad Guys area and the link to "Comment Room Archive" and have been replaced with the link to "Comment Room Information".

As usual, please either email tgs_info@yahoo.com or make a post here if you find dead links on the TGS website.

For those of you wondering, there will be a post and update to the current episode page announcing when the next series is due for release.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, February 3, 2003 01:04:07 AM
IP: 204.94.193.61

Warpmind> <<Anudder post at anudder time>>: As illogical as it may be, how about before the cows come home?

Imzadi> <<I'm not sure how to filter them out>>: Depends on if you represent the problem with a binary matrix or eight size two arrays. With the binary matrix, you should be able to invert and exchane addresses of spaces holding queens. The arrays get a bit uglier.
<<and almost zero oxygen>>: Taht does get paired with pressure.
<<Are you trying hard?>>: Of course not.
<<Really big crumple zones>>: Which would send cost skyrocketing even more than the shuttle.

SRS JR.> <<Gasparilla Pirate Fest>>: Was Monkey D. Luffy there?

Silvadel> <<making it MUCH cheaper to launch from there>>: But you still need to get the raw materials there. Don't think we'll be able to find too much on the moon, and is it worth it to ship all the processing machines up for what we do find?

Mecord> <<hire a new one with the proper training>>: Where would you find someone with the training to work something that's never been driven before?

Spacebabie> <<cleared out my sinuses>>: Did that with a bottle of ammonia recently. Still had to scrape off the tub.
<<That is almost as bad as saying that you had never seen a single Kevin Smith Film>>: Especially for where I live. But I've managed three so far. Working my way towards the others, especially since I have a blueprint of Operation Dark Knight.
<<It�s not a combination they have Catholic schools in Japan>>: But when you think Japanese schoolgirl, you generally think floppy socks and sailor suits. For Catholic schoolgirls, you have plaid skirts and generally a sweater vest. The kind of schools you're talking about would generally count as straight Japanese schoolgirl generators.
<<The school in Magical Thief St Tail is a Catholic school>>: As well as St. Hebereke's

Tony Elliot> <<Thankfully DVD killed DIVX>>: But DivX lives again as a compression codec.

Dezi> <<A chute could've helped there>>: Where would you put it to make sure it wouldn't get damaged in any explosion that would leave the cabin separate from the rest of the thing?

Happy birthday DPH.

And from a reccommendation, you get The Mary Ellen Carder by Stan Rogers.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, February 3, 2003 12:32:33 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

DPH> happy birthday, dude! lol :)
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Sunday, February 2, 2003 11:13:24 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Happy Birthday, DPH! :)
Jan
Sunday, February 2, 2003 11:03:31 PM
IP: 12.215.181.120

Josh> <<I, too, hate ignorant people.>>
That's not ignorance, that's stupidity.

Hyperion> <<You want safe, sit in a church and eat alot of fiber, anything else, you take your chances.>>
And wait for a crazy person to bomb the church... Safety is overrated, anyway.

DPH> *rolls eyes* Happy birthday. You know, other people just _say_ it's their birthday. Desperate for attention much?

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New article about the shuttle, clicky:
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Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, February 2, 2003 09:57:08 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Ok, I'll drop a big hint: check the CR calendar under February 2. Here's the link to February's text calendar:
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/calendar/t02.html

If by tomorrow nobody figures it out, I'll stop being subtle and feel disappointed.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 2, 2003 09:40:42 PM
IP: 204.94.193.61

Tony Elliot: "From that trend alone, I’ve judged that there is something about Catholicism that steers young people away from faith, that is not present in non Catholic denominations."

-- Not to be too intrusive here or start some big debate but ... millions of young people attend The Pope's "World Youth Days" each year (remember when he came to Colorado/NYC a few years ago?). Saying Catholicism drives youth away from faith based upon the handful of people you know isn't really a fair assessment to make, especially since there's A LOT of evidence to the contrary.
Helene
Sunday, February 2, 2003 08:27:47 PM
IP: 152.163.195.211

mmmmmm. To clarify that escape pod thing: It of course would only work parachute style in the near atmosphere (especially since that is where we seem to have the most trouble) and I guess not during black out. But for the Challenger, on a History Channel doc. they zoomed in on the explosion footage and saw that the cabin remained intact all the way down. A chute could've helped there, that's how we "landed" the Apollos. Or maybe there's some wholey different idea that I haven't really thought of that would work a little better. I haven't really spent hours and hours of the day on this issue either.

For my video production project, I got to hit a theater student with my car. We have this street that cuts through the campus with no fancy sky walks or anything, only cross walks that the drivers are supposed to stop at if a student is in, plus blinking yellow lights by signs and a speed limit of 25. But not everyone stops for us and many students have been hit and some injured because three cars of the four lane road stop and just one guy will be hot shot enough or stupid enough to not notice why every one is stopped and BAM! street pizza.
We had to make a 2 min. video of someone doing something, anything, and not edit the tape. Just shoot the shots in order. Very Very fundimental. I got to be the driver though 8-) and yes I have a perfect driving record and my car is dentless. But it was all fun, the theater kid is fine and no one called the cops. I got to pretend I was a stunt-driver or something.

Silvadel: Hey I'm all for terra-forming Mars.<oh there is a 3% chance of it blowing up but by saying something I might lose my job and/or cause a lot of effort to be expended so I am being quiet about it. > Wonder how that guy sleeps at nite.

Hyperion: <Something will always go wrong, it's how we deal with things when they do that counts> Even C. Columbus lost a few guys. Comes with the job. Look at Magellan. And these are the people we name things after.
< It's not like you can send someone out there to duct tape a new tile on.> Man, you have to have seen The Cape. Not that that is reality, but that part was on there too. And does anyone have any knowledge to substanciate that thing about the tires that my dad told me about, or any info to explain it?

Mecord: Hope all works out ok.

DPH: <Damn, I saw my shadow today.> Are you a ground hog in disguise?

Tony Elliot: < Tony envisions a somewhat younger version of Lucy Lu as the efficiency expert from Charlie’s Angles. Ooh, barracuda! ** > huh?
<<Its how VHS beat Beta> Thankfully DVD killed DIVX. > My Comm. profs have pumped into my head that vhs beat beta only because panasonic can market better than sony (while, according to my profs, sony makes much better quality product). The news industry still uses beta-max, as it can copy more generations while still keeping a pretty cool quality- to the point where a lot of field news gathering is done still in beta instead of digital. Why change out a whole system that still works? So this means when I get outta school I get to figure out how to use a beta-max camera and those things weigh like 30 lbs. No wonder not many girls are tv photojournalists.

History channel is airing something about the arc of the covenant being in Ethiopia. hmmm.
later!
Dezi
Sunday, February 2, 2003 08:12:06 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

silvadel> I thought I remembered reading something that indicated that Columbia could not dock with the ISS, they didn't have the right equipment or something.

You're probably right though, they could have parked next to it and transferred EVA or sent up another Shuttle to pick them up EVA as well. I don't know what the enviormental conditions were on Columbia.

I doubt that anyone in Mission Control would cover up some potentially dangerous info like you suggest though. Granted I know almost nothing about the people there, given that the live of 7 people were in the balence, I don't think they woudl pull something like that...this ain't Space Cowboys

Hyperion
Sunday, February 2, 2003 05:39:12 PM
IP: 151.199.240.141

Instead than mourning the passage of the seven astronauts, celebrate their lives! These may in fact be some of the seven luckiest people. They were the elite of the scientists and engineers and managed to get into the space program. They finished a two week mission that they spent their entire lives training for, managed to fulfill their life long dream of flying into space, and then died an instantaneous and most likely painless death. Of course nobody wants to die. If I had a choice as how to go, I’d like to go how they did, quickly and by doing what I love.
The passing of Commander Laurel Clark is a bit saddening to me. She was a fellow Wisconsinite, growing up in Racine, just a half hour south of Milwaukee. She was never a role model to me, but it’s nice to know that if someone from this cold, sleepy, boring state can make something of them self, perhaps I can too.
We have shuttles & rockets, we could use space planes; why doesn’t anyone ever consider orbital tethers? What could be safer than a giant elevator?

It’s been so warm in Milwaukee lately, upper twenties. I don’t even need to zip my coat all of the way up. Wait a just a darn minute… warm and upper twenties in the same sentence! I’ve gotta get outa here! Spacebabie, is there any room left in Florida, I know California is full.

“Turncoat”, yet another great story by Spike, was a big focal point for the overall plot. The end hinted that the quarrymen were backed by the Illuminati. This is confusing, yet interesting, since I was under the impression that Illuminati would rather use the gargoyles than have them destroyed. I felt sorry for Richard when Angela broke the news about what she really was, that she already was in love, and consequently broke his heart. One sign of a good story is that causes the reader empathize with the characters. Oh yea, cool drawing, Spike, of Rich & Angie.

silvadel

Me too. If we could get a probe up to even 1/10 the speed of light, we could see the next closest star in forty-ish years.

LEO
<1940's recordings of my grandfather's jazz>
Cool! What type of jazz, straight ahead, big band / orchestra, Orleans? Has he ever played with the big guys like Miles Davis, Basie, Monk, Ellington? What instrument(s) did he play?
<Oh wait, many of you in here were born after 1980 so you probably don't know what a "turntable"is>
Born in 82’. Records sound better than CDs, tube amps sound better than solid state, period. Most records pre 55’ were not recorded well, but just about everything past that is good. I’ve got a Technics cheapie turntable in my room and I (ok, my dad) has a Rega Planer 25 & RB 600 tone arm with a DynaVector cartridge on the hi fi in the rec-room.
<And the CD or "Record" is usually 2 to 3 times bigger but only holds at most 1/4 the amount of music.> Sorry, not true. 33 & 1/3 average 30 min. per side, but some squeeze 40 on a side.

Kaioto
<Writing Fan-Fiction does not interfere with them making money.>
I usually purchase one or two Star Trek novels per month; I have not purchased one since October. I’ve been exclusively reading TGS. Granted, Trek makes money for Paramount, and Gargs makes/made money for Disney; but the bottom line is TGS has kept more money in my pocket.

Hyperion
<Lord knows how many GPA points I lost due to reading TGS instead of studying>
LMAO… You’re not alone!

Aaron
< <<You're just jealous because we could conquer the rest of the this sorry country!>> How? We've got all the guns. >
It may not be, but it sure sounds true!

Josh
<People are rioting in Oakland (gee, shocker!).>
Football and warm climates are a dangerous combination. When the Packers won the Super Bowl last century, it was just too damn cold out to riot.
<wouldn't a larger display be cooler?>
Absolutely not. An 18” viewable monitor is plenty big for me, but a 3D gaming… in 3D is **Tony searches for good phrase, but fails miserably** the bomb.
<Its how VHS beat Beta>
Thankfully DVD killed DIVX.

Green Baron
<…religion is taken for granted when you were riased in a faith that your family ahs followed for countless generations.>
No and not really. I don’t think it’s a good idea to take anything for granted, especially a religion. Most of my family really isn’t religious. My grandma sporadically goes to a Lutheran church, but that’s because its two blocks away. The only reason my mom was a Lutheran was to send me to the church’s grade school, which is why I started out as a Lutheran.

I haven’t given an argument about it yet. But I would not try to convert you or any other Catholic; as long as you have faith, the particular religion (denomination) you choose is rather unimportant as long as it helps you, not anyone else, to keep and grow it. I only have one grudge against Catholicism; I’ve had four friends who were raised Catholic, but no longer have any faith, although one is still a little religious. I’ve only had one protestant friend who has lost his faith. From that trend alone, I’ve judged that there is something about Catholicism that steers young people away from faith, that is not present in non Catholic denominations.

Dezi
<80 lbs. of cooking sauer kraut smells like?! *shudders*>
Mmmm, I’m getting hungry for some pork roast and bratwurst now.
<all the kids to play "reindeer".>
That doesn’t sound to smart? Where there any ultra conservative parents who just didn’t like the idea of reinforcing “evil Santa Clause” idolatry?
<Church backed school all the way up to the sixth grade>
I went from 3-7th grade to the church’s school, and then switched to the academically more prestigious public schools. It was weird not being forced to pray every couple of hours.
<I’m certainly not gonna let some maniac tell me what to believe>
Yea, that’s something you have to figure out for yourself. If you do [let some maniac tell you what to believe], then you’d be, as Imzadi put it, “blindly faithful.”
<My evil neighbors above me who party all the time, leave beer bottles everywhere outside our building, and generally disturb the peace>
Sounds like my dorms. Yea, MSOE’s an engineering school, but I happened to live on the one floor that housed the schools few jocks.
<*Evil Dezi snarls and crawls back under the couch*>
** Tony envisions a somewhat younger version of Lucy Lu as the efficiency expert from Charlie’s Angles. Ooh, barracuda! **

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI, Just 90 min. from Chicago!
Sunday, February 2, 2003 04:58:45 PM
IP: 65.29.132.86

Mwa ha ha ha. I took the wassabe challenge! Mom brought home sushi last night and a bottle of sake. I took a glob of wassabe on my finger and put it in my mouth….That’s the good kind of pain...cleared out my sinuses. I had a lot of sake too…for some reason the stuff does nothing to me. I’m immune to sake!

I learned about the shuttle because yesterday was the Chinese New Year. I have some Chinese neighbors who shot of a bunch of firecrackers…so I went to comfort Rocco…The TV was on. I was like “Oh God no…not again.” Once he was calm I returned to the living room

Leo<<<Depends on the application. I believe though (for the application your dirty mind was thinking of) that being stiff would be better. :p>>>Ha..true, but you don’t want to go trudging through my mind.<<<Are HIS dreams strange?>>>Yes they are.

Gside<<<Not to my recollection>>>That is almost as bad as saying that you had never seen a single Kevin Smith Film.<<<That won't quite work. You can't quite combine the uniforms.>>>It’s not a combination they have Catholic schools in Japan. The school in Magical Thief St Tail is a Catholic school.<<<I'd say that counts as a variant on full body fur.>>>Well I wouldn’t add any fur, except for the ears and the tail…of course I also lean towards Merle from Escaflowne and Aisha from Outlaw Star.

Bud Clair<<<was drinking a can of soda outside once, and I went to take a sip, and I felt a weird sort of vibrating against my lip... there was a wasp on my can of soda.>>>That is why I don’t take soda cans outside. I pour them into sports bottles or my Power Puff bottle.

Josh<<<You have a penis? Revel's in for a surprise..>>>No that would be Jane Watson’s Delilah<<<where all the stupid humanities majors who actually have TIME to protest hang out>>>If they time to protest then they should have time to bathe properly.<<<HAHAHA sucks>>>Not really I still have the same speed.<<>>He might have a sore spot…this will be evident if the booger he pulls out is covered with blood.

24. “’This too will pass” I was taught this by my grandmother as a phrase that is to be used at all times during your life. When things are spectacularly dreadful; when things are absolutely appalling; when everything is superb and wonderful and marvelous and happy-say these four words too yourself. They will give you a sense of perspective and help you to make the most of what is good and be stoical about what is bad.”~ Claire Rayner
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, February 2, 2003 04:52:10 PM
IP: 209.244.145.206

Happy Ground Hog's Day. Damn, I saw my shadow today.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 2, 2003 04:47:00 PM
IP: 204.94.193.46

Hyperion -- actually yes, if they did know for certain there was a problem with a tile, they could add one on... What would end up happening is they would have to dock with the space station -- and then another shuttle would have to be sent up to bring the people down... In the meantime they would have to do numerous spacewalks etc to assess the damage and they would need to send up the tiles//whatever else was needed to at least make a temporary fix -- then you would have a minimum crew take the shuttle down and hope it doesnt blow up on re-entry.

I sincerely hope this whole thing doesnt come down to someone making a weasel decision where he figured -- oh there is a 3% chance of it blowing up but by saying something I might lose my job and/or cause a lot of effort to be expended so I am being quiet about it.
silvadel
Sunday, February 2, 2003 04:19:46 PM
IP: 208.59.133.50

I'm curious now, some people are saying that "if only they had seen the tiles were missing/broken..."
So what? They would have been in orbit, What difference would that have made? I suppose they could have tried an emergency launch of another craft to rescue the astronauts, but the orbiter would still have been a loss. It's not like you can send someone out there to duct tape a new tile on.

DPH>< believe a million or so point inspection [practically every system, every wire] should be completed before each space shuttle is set out to be launched.> It is. Key word here is "practically". To literally inspect every wire et al. would require rebuilding the Shuttle every time. And remember that NASA isn't the best funded organization in Washington.
<Anything that isn't in top condition gets replaced> Excellent in theory, sucks in the balance sheet. Yes, I know, cost of human life etc. but that's not the way things work, unfortunately.
<with drug tests being taken at least once every three months> I actually think they're alot more frequent that that, but it may have just been a rumor I heard.

Silvadel> Check the new images from some of the orbital observatories.
If you mean real images though, yeah, that'd be cool. I'm not sure they could do it before we die...

Green Baron><Maybe we should cool the exploration for a time, until we can find ways to avoid these kind of tragedies> I would disagree. It's never going to happen. Something will always go wrong, it's how we deal with things when they do that counts. The astronauts aren’t heroes because they died, they're heroes because they knew that riding a plasma fireball down out of the sky could kill them, but they went anyway; their love of their work, and their dedication to expanding our knowledge is what makes them live on.
You want safe, sit in a church and eat alot of fiber, anything else, you take your chances.

Dezi><The Russians lost lots of guys> That's why I said apparent. Most of the records of Russian lives lost are buried in the Kremlin somewhere. And, although I don't doubt that they are more numerous than our own, when was the last time you heard about a Russian space disaster?

Patrick><our desktops are faster and more powerful than those which ran the control systems on the early shuttle missions> Yeah, but it's not because NASAs too cheap to run down to CompUSA and pick up a shiny new Dell, it's because every component has to be rigorously checked for radiation hardiness, g-force tolerance and a host of other things.
The ion drive the powered Deep Space 1 was invented in the 70's, but it spent 20 years being tested before they could be assured it would work. Much the same thing with the computer systems, they have to be specifically designed to withstand extreme environments and proven to succeed in those tests.

Josh><moon base> Simple, anything that gets out of Earth's gravity well is halfway there, in terms of energy. Being able to launch from really, anywhere but earth is a bonus.
And it's easier to build on luna firma then in free fall.
Hyperion
Sunday, February 2, 2003 02:51:48 PM
IP: 151.199.238.184

**Mecord walks in and raises a flag to half-mast**

In the news I read that President Bush is vowing to continue the space program. For me it's a sigh of relief but little comfort. I think I'm a lot closer to this tragedy than most of the poeple in here. My father works at Thyokol (What was once Morton Thyokol that recieved the brunt of the blame for the challenger accident). More to the point, my father is the primary launch support technician for the SRB's. So if there are no shuttle launches then my dad is basically out of work. When Challenger blew, the crew that used to hold my dad's position all lost their jobs (basically because NASA didn't listen when Thyokol told them not to launch, so they needed a scapegoat). But my point is that for any family directly involved with the space program, their future is in question. Many of you have suggested that a change in the program is necessary. Maybe, but I don't think you realize how many jobs would be jepordized because of the retraining and everything that would take place. Would it save time and money to retrain the old crew or simply hire a new one with the proper training.

Archwolf>> <Those orbeiters come back dinged, scratched, scored and pockmarcked from every mission> Believe me, I know. The loss of a few tiles has never been a problem before. the heat shield has always held. Why a bit of insulation should cause a problem is a mystery. But remember that during launch that the shuttle is in a rapid state of acceleration. By the time it clears the tower they're experiencing 3 times the gravitational force and are already nearing the sound barrier. That sucker takes off fast and hard. It's not inconcievable that a large chunk of insulation could be rattled loose and hit something in just the srong way. I doubt its as simple as knocking a few tiles loose, and from the reports I read the investigators aren't buying it either.

Mecord
Sunday, February 2, 2003 02:31:28 PM
IP: 12.255.15.121

Bud Claire -- then be very very thankful that Pepsi and several other companies did not get their way -- they wanted to put up HUGE orbiting signs in low earth orbit that would be visible from the ground advertizing their products.

Eventually you may look up into a sky full of ads (sigh) but thankfully not now like it could have been.

Josh -- Lets start with the moon -- there are LOTS of advantages to having a permanent base in a low gravity environment from crystal growing to the ability to launch rockets from the moon thus not having to deal with the very large gravity well of the earth making it MUCH cheaper to launch from there.

As for resources, they have the most important one -- ice. From that can come fuel, air, among other things. There are all kinds of minerals/gems/etc on the moon that do not occur here on earth and there are obviously more there than we have encountered in our expeditions there. As for unfeasibility of commerce, there is a tremendous amount of potential for commerce. Actually the low gravity of the moon makes it possible to send things back to earth without necessarily even using a rocket. You could shoot the things back.

As for environment, it is not THAT hostile -- you could build a dome with a decent environment inside. 1/6th gravity is a lot easier on a persons body than weightlessness is over medium to long stretches of time, and the medical research would be helpful. And the fact that there is no atmosphere on the moon and that there are decent local materials means you could build things like telescopes on the moon much easier than you could build such and put it into orbit.

As for why I care about seeing another solar system, beyond curiosity, that is our eventual destiny. Every time we get more information about the state of our sun and the earth, the window of life on the earth contracts. Eventually we will have to leave and we are LOTS safer having people in several places than we are confined to one planet.

Which brings me to mars. The sun is continuing to heat up over time. Our first step will likely be mars. Finding out if there was ever life there is a nice thing, but the eventual terraforming of mars would be huge.

I really do not want us to wimp out and miss out on the window we have right now to do some pure science of the highest order.



I am really glad that we do not have an anti-space president in office right now...
silvadel
Sunday, February 2, 2003 10:02:30 AM
IP: 208.59.133.50

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silvadel
Sunday, February 2, 2003 09:31:31 AM
IP: 208.59.133.50

It's later... Greetings all!

SHUTTLE DISASTER - Considering how much my dad was a supporter and follower of NASA and the Space Program, this does strike pretty close to home... damn shame to lose seven good people this way, especially considering they'd completed their mission and were on the way home. Condolnces to the families and the loved ones left behind...

What irks me about this whole affair, is the plain fact that they didn't die from a terrorist plot, or out of some unexplained event or phenomena. No, I'm upset because the Columbia is/was the oldest bird in the Shuttle fleet (22 years old!), and in all honest accounts, she should have been decommissioned and sent to a museum years ago! Granted we have younger shuttles, but even at 10 years they need to be seriously considered questionable for performance at that age... hell, I know that combat jets are usually rotated out after fewer years of service that the length of time the shuttles stay 'active'.

I really think NASA needs to revamp the entire shuttle design and go with the "space plane" idea that they had been working on for some time: a craft that can do HTOL (Horizontal Take-Off & Landing) like a conventional jet, but have the booster and engine power to make orbital velocity. Also, some form of safety system (escape pod, breakaway cockpit module, etc.) needs to be developed for future craft... after all, there's been all this talk about the future commercial and public use of space flight in the past few years. How are you going to make it safe for the average person to fly into space if something like this or close to this happens then?

Anyway, that's enough about that.

Yesterday I spent most of the day with my family at the Gasparilla Pirate Fest... fun, food, and colorful parades with pirate costumes, and people throwing beads like Mardi Gras. Sure it was dampened a bit by the disaster, but everyone managed to have a good time. I took a lot of photos, so I should be sharing them soonest.

Well, off to get some breakfast... Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, February 2, 2003 09:17:17 AM
IP: 65.35.132.55

NEIN!!!

Real post later.
Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Sunday, February 2, 2003 08:55:23 AM
IP: 65.35.132.55

Eighth! (Why am I always eighth lately?)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, February 2, 2003 07:04:23 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Seventh!
Leo
Sunday, February 2, 2003 06:57:28 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Sixth!!!! MUWAHAHAHAAAAAA!
Silverbolt
Sunday, February 2, 2003 05:45:29 AM
IP: 81.131.83.206

Fifth!
Ed
Sunday, February 2, 2003 04:56:25 AM
IP: 131.111.8.102

Curses. Every time I wake up, something goes wrong. As if getting out of bed wasn't bad enough, a shuttle had to blow up too. I'm not really gonna comment on it, since I don't know much about it and don't have particularly strong feelings about the space program. I am kind of annoyed at some of the gratuitously ignorant comments being made about it, though.

Finally finished that cursed 8-queens problem. Only it seems there are 80-odd solutions. I'm not sure how to filter them out. That means the weeks work is almost done.

Leo: <<if the NASA execs listend to Morton Thayacol (whatever the name of the company who built the SRBs) who recommended not to launch>>: Incorrect. The engineers at the company identified the flaw, but the managers at the company decided not to alert NASA. The official company line was that they were ready to fly :-(

DPH: <<unless you count improper maintance as terrorism>>: Maybe someday stupidity will be terrorism. <>: Well you'd be wrong. <<shouldn't the space shuttles normally be under extremely tight security?>>: What for? Its a shuttle mission. <<I believe a million or so point inspection [practically every system, every wire] should be completed before each space shuttle is set out to be launched. Anything that isn't in top condition gets replaced. Once the space shuttle passes inspection and gets set-up for launch, security around it goes critical as 200-300 soldiers are assigned to protect it 24/7>>: I'll tell you what: YOU PAY FOR IT YOU F!@#$ING DEMOCRAT. Always the first to suggest some radical extreme something, as if that would solve the problem. Forget that it would cost billions. At some point you have to say "it worked last time, it'll probably work the next time". Don't forget that even with this disaster, the shuttle's safety record is pretty impressive given the number of small moving parts. <<Always wandered if Jarod (the pretender) would go into space>>: He did at the end of one episode. <<how would he escape the Centre upon touching down on Earth?>>: Easy if they didn't know he was in space. <<How many plans for escape will you have in place?>>: Enough to make sure one works.

Silvadel: <<Space will probably never be "safe.">>: Probably? Um, space is an EXTREMELY hostile environment for humans. Almost zero pressure, almost zero kelvin, and almost zero oxygen. <<The space shuttles are 20 years old now>>: Our entire F-15 fleet is still in service and is almost 35. <<We should be seriously looking into exploring mars, and putting into action robot flights to other solar systems>>: Why? I think money would be better spent tracking near-earth objects. <>: Why would you care? You'd never be able to get there. <<There is no on the face legitimate real reason why we do not have a permanent settlement on the moon by now>>: Money, lack of purpose, lack of resources on the moon, unfeasibility of commerce/transport, hostile environment...shall I go on?

Patrick: <<the computers that now sit on most of our desktops are faster and more powerful than those which ran the control systems on the early shuttle missions>>: Stranger but also true: those control systems are currently being replaced by Apple Xserves 8-)

Green Baron: <<You can change that>>: Not if you're apathetic. <<Just think of the propaganda moment if France had the fortitude to invade and occuppy Germany>>: I'd laugh my head off. Germans would become the new world pussies. <>: Not soon enough, if you ask me. <>: Now that's just scary.

Dezi: <<"So, uh, is this like a big deal?" *sigh*>>: I, too, hate ignorant people. <>: LOL! <<escape cabins in b-1 planes. Shuttles need that>>: Uh, no. It wouldn't work unless they survived re-entry, and if they're not careful they'll be pushed into the outer atmosphere and won't be able to come back down. <<that the "big one" will hit California in 2010>>: They've been saying that for 20 years. The problem is that the more time passes, the more likely it is to occur soon. So at some point, they won't be wrong 8-)

Bud-Clare: <<what could you possibly do with them that Christine hasn't already done herself?>>: LOL good point. <<With little astrisks and ampersands>>: Hehe. Funny. <>: But that job will require shmoozing. <<You use water balloons on cats?>>: Once upon a time.

Gside: <<Its origin was as a bedtime story>>: Perfect. <<In your own programming, you probably won't need to go beyond one pointer level>>: I hope not. <<Not sure, but I'm trying to find it>>: Are you trying hard? <<how would you pad it for a possible hard landing?>>: Really big crumple zones ;-)

Okay tired, gonna crash now.

114. I will never accept a challenge from the hero.

Josh
Sunday, February 2, 2003 04:50:57 AM
IP: 64.170.153.10

Thou shalt not count to FOUR!
Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, February 2, 2003 03:41:13 AM
IP: 64.170.153.10

*Warpmind lurches in, blinking*
I... live again...
And, #3, it seems.

Anudder post at anudder time. Probably.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmindATtiscaliDOTno]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, February 2, 2003 03:38:55 AM
IP: 213.142.70.221

2nd in the name of the Fay!

MC
>^,,^<
Sunday, February 2, 2003 02:58:49 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

First.
Was told more gathering-related questions had popped up here...

Niamhgold : [I just have to say, thank you SO much for keeping that price consistent and manageable...the mail-in part of the art show always pleases me, because Gatherings always seem to take place at a time when I can't attend :( ]
Aww. : ( Well, on a more upbeat note, are you going to have anything up in the Othercon room?

Kathy: [So what's on the menu for the Gathering Banquet?:]
That’ll be in the next update. We just decided on the three main courses (it is buffet style) but I need to get the details on the rest before I post it anywhere.

As for the other main question currently being asked, our forum is presently under construction.
And while I’m here...

Sunshine: Tricky question. As I don’t feel like getting drawn into this debate, I’ll leave it at that.

The Question: [Why is the logo for Bad Guys different from the ones for Pendragon, Dark Ages, Timedancer and Gargoyles proper? ]
The Pendragon has a different logo from the other 3 series...and you should get the answer to your question soon enough.

Josh: [I don't think she meant actually abscond with their stories, just play in their universe. That's not allowed? What about all the authors who write in the TGS universe? Or for that matter, any fic that uses published characters in it (like any Gargoyle's fic but Lynati's)?]
Eh? What exactly does THAT mean?

This morning: Actually, I heard that people were selling debris over the internet before the first hour it landed was up. As for conspiracies...oi. My bet is Godzilla did it. With help from the Loch Ness Monster. *rolls eyes*

Lynati
Sunday, February 2, 2003 02:56:47 AM
IP: 64.219.129.245