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Greetings;

I'm still in my lab, but was reading over the latest posts and for anyone who hasn’t checked out Fire Storm's link yet I encourage you to do so.

If any of you have been following the gun debate here you will have noticed that it has become a question of morality.

Hyperion they say that one of the breakdowns of moral discourse can occur as a result of a difference of beliefs. That is what we have here. Fire Storm's article has shown me one thing; I don't understand the US. I have never in my life seen such a revolting act outside of a war zone. The fact that this actually occurred in a "civilised" country makes me want to retch. I have asked why America embraces guns and violence. This simple act has shown me that there is something very wrong with US culture. The fact that over 10,000 people die every year in gun related violence is one thing. The fact that no one cares, the fact that several people just went about their business while this man lay dying is perhaps the most disgusting thing that I have read of in my entire life.

As to gun control, I'll post more on it later. Right now I can't think clearly. It was stated earlier that humans are just animals. Do you know what? They may be right. There's no way that this atrocity can be called civilised. What is worse, thousands dying on September 11th and a nation in mourning or one man dying in the street and people just walking by.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Sunday, February 16, 2003 05:14:01 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

Heather: No. Copperfield was mentioned in "Night of the Weird".
Ed
Sunday, February 16, 2003 02:05:54 PM
IP: 131.111.8.96

Grrrr... I can't find this name!

I know everyone must be sick of me talk TGS-wise but I saw the name "Copperfield" one time in a story and a brief description of him being a "Black and white cat with
full black wings" but now I can't find it.

Did I just imagine it?

I've had too much medicine... *goes ot lay down and listen to Sports Night*
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Sunday, February 16, 2003 01:16:43 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Death Hawk:<<IS THERE AN EMAIL I SEND PICS TO, OR IS THERE A WEB PAGE I HAVE TO GO TO?!?!?!>>

Rehash of Revel's announcment:::

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<***OFFICIAL TGS ANNOUNCMENT***

We here at TGS will be beginning an artist recruitment drive for all an any who would like to apply. The application and resume for those who would like to apply MUST follow the following guidelines or it will delay your review in the selection process.

Please send an e-mail to: able_squad@hotmail.com

please include your name(handle) and a valad e-mail address if you are sending from some other account.

The resume may consist of upwards of ten links to your art or web site, which the curent staff will review.

If you do not have a web site or do not have at least three pics to link or feel that these pics are not your best examples you may do the following.

You may include no more than THREE attached pictures each no more than 50k or overall file size less than 150k. Please stick closely to these requirements because if your e-mail is more than 150k it will be rejected and asked to be resent with the pics being smaller. I have to stress the file size requirement because it is a Hotmail account and they will die if it gets overloaded.

Do not send more than three, only the first three will be taken all others are not considered, so take your time and send three good ones or find a way to link to more. Please only send one, resume. Questions may be sent as well, but again, only send three pics.
After your resume has been received you will receive a reply saying that we have your e-mail. Only if you do not receive this reply should you send again.

Applications will be taken until Feburary 28, three weeks. Soon after that everyone will be notified over e-mail whether they have made it and can begin to work.

Please do not flood the box asking if you have made it, it will not help your case and will more likely hurt.

Questions will be welcomed so that everyone understand what is expected.

Thank you

*END*
Revel TGS Art Director - [able_squad@hotmail.com]
Thursday, February 6, 2003 11:24:57 PM
IP: 129.120.173.67

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hope this helps. :-D :-P
Leo
Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:16:19 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Spacebabie: <I’m picturing Goliath and Hudson with the same expressions they had after Vinnie pied Goliath>
Yeah, that could work too. But the trio would laugh

Bud-Clare: <So, you find the lack of criticism of your skills to be refreshing?>
No, it's more of the pleasure I feel in violating something that was pure and untouched. Also, there's the feeling of control and knowing that this one moment shall shape all of her future relationships.
Power. Pure and simple.
<That's c.>
Yeah, I realized that a little after I wrote it

Dezi: <Now wouldn't the world be a better place?>
Now THERE'S a new and innovative way to get world peace!
Uncle Sam wants YOU... to blow foreign dignitaries.
But then we will have a cold sex war where each country tries to one-up the other in pleasing their allies, and it will just go totally out of control to the point where there are nude cloned whores with great curves and big breasts being air-dropped into Moscow.

Gside: <You have an uncultured palate>
Yeah, but I just like the simple things in life. Cedar chips, OSB sandwiches, and the like
<When is c E?>
When I completely forget what the hell I am thinking
<But lesbian/bisexual sisters are a staple of porn.>
I keep telling her that, but she just won't listen!
<Hot wings are not as evil as jalepeno poppers.>
Agreed, but they can be good if done right. (This is odd coming from me... I usually don't like hot wings.)
<Waiting for the hardware to obscalese so the manufacturer won't pay as much attention>
Yeah, but like that stopped anyone before. I don't understand why Microsoft just doesn't release an emulator themselves. Charge $100 and they will make a fortune.
<Ow. heal well.>
Thanks. It didn't hurt nearly as much as the last time I had it done, so that is cool.
But I took a few pictures of the bloody aftermath, so whenever I get around to posting stuff on my website, perhaps I will post them
<Generally, I prefer Gunjack.>
Bet your gay!

Imzadi: <Picky women>
I know, it can be irritating. No cheating, no threesomes, no killing...
I tell you, sometimes it can be more trouble than it's worth! ;)

BUT MY PLANS DEMAND HOT WINGS!
<Redundant?>
Yes, but an effective mental image
<The downside to this is having to be present while these leaders are getting blow jobs 8-)>
Hmm... point.

Vashkoda: <and from the space debris constantly raining down on the surface, since the moon has no atmosphere for anything to burn up in>
Well, yeah, that too. But I think radiation is the bigger fear, especially that the far side is hit more than the earth side
<Burning flesh doesn't smell too good>
True, but when it is just roasted to a golden brown, it's good!

The Question: <Is the next season of Pendragon going to be about the Holy Grail?>
Nope. There is a world coconut shortage, so they can't go and find the Grail

Green Baron: <How about the human shields in Iraq?>
Yeah... that will work too. Just like those idiots that went all that way to be shields only to roll their SUV
<I'd love to pop a few of them just for fun, but wait, I can't do that...>
Why not? "Sir! They fired at us!" (I am sure your squad mates would back you up on this)
<That is weird. But you kind of brought it on yourself with the movie and game.>
Yeah... but still...

Link of the day: Apathy at it's worst.
Fire Storm - [<--- APathy at it's worst]
Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:07:25 PM
IP: 66.72.178.1

Oops!! I typed that a bit too fast, my email is wrong, here is the right one
Death Hawk - [DeathHawk13@msn.com]
Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:04:12 PM
IP: 64.91.86.235

AN ART RECRUITMENT!!!! HOW DOES THAT WORK!?!?! I'D WANT NOTHING MORE THEN TO SHOW OFF MY GARGOYLE ART!!! IS THERE AN EMAIL I SEND PICS TO, OR IS THERE A WEB PAGE I HAVE TO GO TO?!?!?!
Death Hawk - [Death Hawk]
WI , USA
Sunday, February 16, 2003 11:59:03 AM
IP: 64.91.86.235

Thomas> <<but I grew up in big city (well not anywhere as big as NYC), so I am more comfortable with that feeling.>>
But are you comfortable with that smell? ;)

<<but such codes make for interesting specualtion and occasional party games, but nothing else.>>
Spin the Bible?

<<They won't buy our beef, why should we buy their wine and cheese.>>
Because they have good wine and cheese, maybe?

Gside> <<You do realize chortle started out as a portmanteau of chuckle and snort.>>
So? It was heavy on the snort.

Dezi> <>
That's because most people have small vocabularies, so they don't know what chortle means.

<>
They're cuter than kids, anyway.

Jaden> <<Everytime I go to mine I think about Phoebe from FRIENDS saying, "Ah, this must be what evil tastes like!">>
Kinda chalky?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:58:56 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Gside>> Well my brother made a comment about how I was. Well I can't really get into it but my brother has had some dealings with drugs when he was in the Marine Corps.

Geez. I can't believe I'm up this early.

Jaden> What about Inu Yasha?
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Sunday, February 16, 2003 07:42:32 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Yawn Head colds baaad!

Inu Yasha- Ok, this is starting to get weird. All day I've been either hearing or seeing references to this. This a sign from God or something?

Green Baron- Who can say where they'd spend my battery. The military might do something like send us to protect a small hill on a tiny, tiny island in the middle of nowhere.
BTW what's your dining facility like? Everytime I go to mine I think about Phoebe from FRIENDS saying, "Ah, this must be what evil tastes like!"

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, February 16, 2003 02:08:29 AM
IP: 172.192.97.234

Oh just looked at my post.
To clarify something, the last two times I copy/pasted "whats so confusing about that, the last one was supposed to be <you've got issues> and the middle one was <We just don't care>. That should make a little more sense now.
Dezi
Sunday, February 16, 2003 01:42:28 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Today I had to unpack boxes of vases and stuff at work. My hands got so cut up that typing actually feels good cause my knuckles bleed if I stretch my fingers straight. When I type, my fingers are mostly bent (duh).
My dog growled at me while she was chewing on her rawhide. She never growls! I took it away from her then and yelled at her not to growl and she said "please" all on her own to get it back. (Please involves her putting her paws in the air when I tell her to say please. It's really weird when she does it without the prompt.)
Still havent got my flat tire fixed yet. All that rain that flooded out LA came towards Indy and dumped snow on us. I have no problems with that, 'cept I cant drive in it cause my car is immobile.

And to clarify the "duct" tape fiasco: I AM NOT A TARD. (Josh). In my crazy mother's house that I was raised in, it was called duck tape (no matter the color) cause it had that little ducky with a hat on it on the inside of the cardboard roll thing. In that same house, ambulances were called "ambliances" and I still cant say that word correctly. And yes I know better, I have been corrected several times. I also am physically unable to say the word "zither" for no apparent reason other than my mouth cant make the proper sounds in the right order to say it. :p
:) ok enough of all that.

The TV department at my school has a relatively small budget. We save money I guess by not buying the cheap plastic battery test thing. Why spend money when you can just use your tongue? :)
Oh yeah, and I figured out why my tongue hurts so much (besides being fried). I clenched my teeth the other nite (the nite before my tongue started to hurt) while having a dream that I described in my previous post. Any how it was a really messed up stressfull dream and I think when my teeth went together, my tongue got caught in the way. :(. It hurts to eat food right now. The only thing that makes it feel better is Pepsi cause its fizzy.

Gside:<Please note, due to translation intricacies, drowned only means fully submerged. > I was gonna say, sounds like lots of stuff tends to drown in Asia. But how would you drown an octopus. :)

Imzadi: <Lug nuts?> No the long metal pole that holds them together. Dunno if there is one in the back of the car for real, but when you turn the steering wheel it's what turns the front tires together: axel, right?<What's so confusing about that? > Have a dream where you get chased around popular retail stores, your car axel is stolen and you wake up to hear yourself "talking" on a cell phone to the cops in your dream and you will be very confused by sleep. <What's so confusing about that? > :P <What's so confusing about that? > No, we just have radically different schedules and I'm busy alot at school. We work it out though, don't worry. ;) <Especially rich people.> Ummm. Weren't you the "poor college kid" that got to go to Hawaii for Christmas (I think Tony said that earlier).<No, and that was retarded.> Hmmm. At least I feel better. I'm not the only "retard" here. :)

Yggdrasil: <We will rule you eventually… resistance is futile. Bwahahahaha! > All right thats it. Time to take Canada. Needs to be put in its place. :)

Hyperion: <that some poor schlob with an allergy to shellfish may have it triggered by the shellfish gene in his bread.> Well that's one less poor schlob then. :)

Bud Claire: <chortles> I don't think I've ever heard anyone chortle in reality. *shrugs*<She uses the sponge that I scour the sink with.> Ewww. My ex-roomie used to use my favorite spaghetti pot for mac and cheese (more ewww) and never clean it out. She was also 22 and worried she was getting alzheimer's and freaking out in Chicago in October when it was a mere 40 degrees out and kept our apt. at 80 degrees while we got cooked from under by all the other floors (we were at the top of the building). I spent the last two months there hiding in Brandon's apt.

Deathhawk:<and the week before, and the week before, > Dude, you need a nap. :)

Vashkoda:<half the births in California last year were Hispanic > My dad's family seems to have this tradition going where in each generation most of the members have at least five kids starting when you are 20. My grampa fulfilled, my dad just did with birth of my newest little sis, but I am SO bucking that rule. No kids, not now any how. My mom was my age when she had me and I couldn't even imagine having a kid. I gotta dog.

Green Baron: <they should get Western France> Hee hee. I got my dad going on an anti-France tirade and it was really funny. He rarely actually has a tirade. In it, he said somehthing about France (or Libya with France's approval?) not letting us fly our planes over or use their airspace so a pilot "accidently" dropped a bomb on the French embassy (of what country?) I dunno if he was mixed up with the time we took out that Chinese embassy or what but if anyone knows what the heck I'm talking about (cause I sure don't) let me know. It was funny, but now I'm confused.< the people there could enjoy a good meal :) > But how much is actual good stew meat?<Did the SUV have Firestone tires> No was goodyear. Just a gravel road and no T sign. blah. Gotta nifty scar on my shoulder where it went through the corner of the windshield but I didn't really go through 'cause by that time the windshield was in the dirt and every thing smelled like soy-bean soil. Talk about disorienting. See, if you're gonna wreck'em ya gotta do it with style! :D <He needs better manners> Eh, I call the shots mostly anyways. <There may be more, sinc emnay latinos put themselves down as white.> I look like the whitest Mexican you'll ever see. :) <Hopefully some ancient predecessor to Hebrew> It was some old Hebrew or something, and they ran it through a computer program. That's why we supposedly couldn't find it til now, cause our computers werent strong enough, or non-exisitant. But like I said, it looks like one of those crossword word search puzzles anyway. <Hopefully I didn't leak any information that was too sensitive. > As my incredibly weird cousin would say: Oh you gotta look out for the drunken Italians and Irish coming to get you in the black 'copters now! (I _still_ don't really know what she was talking about. This is the same person that answered at test question like this:
Q. What was one of the major causes of the fall of Greco-Roman civilization?
Her A. Jello.
I told her to have an answer for every question.

Ok enough typing. Now my knuckles are starting to bleed anyway. Eww bloody keyboard.

later
Dezi
Sunday, February 16, 2003 01:38:58 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Imzadi> <<Redundant?>>: Essentially. Compound emphasis.
<<Show up naked. Bring food>>: And make sure there's a comfortable bed nearby. Any toys (powertools, electronic devises, automotive parts, or maybe software) would be a nice bonus.
<<No ickier than shooting anything else>>: Still, there's something about sizeable pieces flying off as opposed to general splatter.
<<Love those aphids in my fruit>>: We could all use some extra protein.
<<If you had food, sleep, and sex, you wouldn't think much about toys>>: I'll get back to you on that.
<>: Yes, that is my bad.
<<Though breaded chickens would be nice too>>: Save chefs a lot of time egg washing.

Heather> <>: And how do you know what that feels like?

Bud Clare> <<To quote, for instance, you>>: Why me, when I was just quoting Imzadi?
<<*blinks* Er?>>: I guess I mistyped the s, and then my brain reaized it was a word and left off the t without telling me.
<<*snorts/chortles* (I'm experimenting with hybrid laughs)>>: You do realize chortle started out as a portmanteau of chuckle and snort.

Vashkoda> <<Burning flesh doesn't smell too good>>: I've heard it smells like bacon. I like bacon.

Green Baron> <<Nothing else was really implied, outside of the Doctor's mother carrying a shrine of her late husband>>: Don't forget teh shrine in the dojo, which occaisonally breaks as a bad omen.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:58:52 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Valentines in TGS> I recall some romantically themed eps from seasons passed. "Triangle", "My Lady Fair", "Night of the Weird", and "Nocturne". I particularly enjoy Griff and Brianna's romance. They are such a cute couple because they are both such old fashion. It'd be nice to see that inspite all their acclimation to modern times, they both enjoy simpler pleasures. Goliath & Elisa are still cool. Broadway and Angela have fallen into the category of staid and married. Others who have joined those ranks include Fox and David Xanatos, Merlin and Mary, and Arthur and Jennifer. They all need some jolt to kick their romantic lives into high gear. Brooklyn and Sata still manage to keep things sweet and endearing. Delilah and Icarus is a wait-and-see. They've managed to Meet Cute, but can they have a unique romance. Rory needs a girl too. If it's Banshee or someone else, he needs to got out and have fun. But all in all the romantic lives of TGS are strong in the cardio-pulminary department.
Taleweaver
Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:18:00 PM
IP: 24.205.117.88

Todd Jensen>Possibly because Camford's father says the dragon banner will fly over Britain and also the fact that New Camelot, Antarctica is presently occupied.
Answer
Saturday, February 15, 2003 09:24:23 PM
IP: 216.170.210.200

QUESTION - Just out of curiosity, what leads you to think that Arthur will try to become King of Britain again? For one thing, I doubt that he seriously believes that Elizabeth II would simply abdicate in his favor (and I seriously doubt that Tony Blair would be welcoming Arthur all that enthusiastically as the new monarch, either).

Of course, if Peter David was on the Pendragon staff, Arthur would be running for Mayor of New York (and I wonder how Goliath and his clan would respond to that).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 15, 2003 07:46:41 PM
IP: 63.208.42.250

Ed> King Arthur already has defeated Morgana and it seems that both he and Goliath have reached a "detente" with the All Seeing Eyes. Besides in the first few episodes of season 3, there are hints to a future episode or episodes dealing with the grail since Isfet seems to be looking for it or at least Castle Carbonek which is the castle for the Grail in gargoyles according to Producer Greg Weisman at S8.

Also the father of King Arthur's "love interest" states in the Night of the Weird episode that after the Unseelie War and the business following it that Arthur would go on a "great quest" and enter the halls of the Fisher King. Presently Arthur seems to have tied up all the post-Unseelie War threads so I'm thinking that there are going to be a few "Holy Grail" episodes in season 4.

But I could be very wrong. You could instead be dealing with Arthur trying to become king of england, since Antarctica seems to be occupied, or maybe the Thirteen Treasures thread.
Question
Saturday, February 15, 2003 07:35:15 PM
IP: 216.170.210.200

The Question: Geez, don't you think Arthur already has enough on his plate after being revealed to the world? Not to mention that Morgana wants him dead still, and he has just learnt that the Illuminati might be run by an old ally of his.

Green Baron: There are a lot of communities in London and I’m all for showing the diversity in the city (and UK) population in the series. I remember being rather disconcerted by a season 3 episode where Jane Nelson described the funny looks she’d get if she spoke in a Scottish accent. This is quite ridiculous. I would however be very wary about introducing Pakistani (or Catholic, or whoever) characters simply for an arbitrary terrorist plotline. Sure, there are terrorist-sympathisers and terrorists inside the UK, but I would feel a responsibility to developing characters first, and then making social commentary. Having the one episode with Pakistanis in it prominently be the episode we deal with terrorism would be quite silly. That said, there are UK issues that I think it would be both interesting and worthwhile to see “Pendragon” explore (including Irish terrorism and people-trafficking). We’re not doing “Pendragon” breakdowns at the moment though.

*scans the room*

I don't mean to sound harsh, but it seems like there are questions about date announcements for the new series being posted alarmingly frequently. And often from the same people too. Reading down to see when the question was last asked can't be that difficult can it? I do remember being an eager reader myself not so very long ago though, so I’ll try to clear up the questions that seem to keep cropping up.

Q. When’s “Pendragon” season 4 going to be released?
“Pendragon” is probably coming in the quite near future. It's in edits at the moment.

Q. When’s “Bad Guys” season 1 going to be released?
“Bad Guys” is being written as we speak. It's also coming soon, after “Pendragon”.

Q. When’s “Gargoyles” season 4 going to be released?
“Gargoyles” is very deep in breakdowns. It's also a much larger season than season 3, so while it might take longer to get your fix of this series, it will - I guarantee - be worth it.

Q. When’s “Dark Ages” season 3 going to be released?
“Dark Ages” is starting breakdowns.

Q. Why can’t you give specific dates for release?
The TGS staff members are working in their spare time. If several members of the staff have a period where they can commit a relatively large amount of time, the project might go faster than expected in some areas. The reverse is also true. Consequently, it’s nigh on impossible to work out a reliable due date.

Q. Why is it taking so long?
With all these series on the go at once, there is a lot of material in the pipeline. If all the episodes just being written and outlined were released in consecutive weeks, it would be the end of 2005 before we ran out of new ones. In an ideal world, I suppose that while one series is being released, the next series would be moved through the final stage of development, and the series after that would be in the middle of development and the series after that just beginning its development cycle. That’s an ideal world. Things don’t always go to plan. But we’re trying.

Q. What’s going to happen in the next season of “Pendragon”?
Ha! Like we’d tell you. It’s already common knowledge that the series will have a stronger focus on Arthur and his immediate allies, with the London clan more in supporting roles. The series will also be developing a more international flavour as time goes by.

Q. What’s going to happen in the next season of “Bad Guys”?
Ha! We’re still not telling you. But it’s already common knowledge that gum plays a part in the first episode.

Q. What’s going to happen in the next season of “Gargoyles”?
Vinnie is going to realise his love for Fox and serenade her from the bottom of the Eyrie building. Sadly, Fox lives right at the top and won’t hear his dulcet tones. Okay, that one is a lie. Stop digging for spoilers and wait for the series to be released!

Q. When can I join up?
At the next recruitment drive. There’s one on for artists right now.
Ed - [ed@steelclaw.org]
London, England
Saturday, February 15, 2003 07:03:41 PM
IP: 213.187.48.121

Silvadel> <<As for someone being called up on treason charges for a 1 in 50ish obvious design fault -- that didnt happen the last time with the O rings.>> I have a draconian streak. What can I say :)

<<It is possible that my dislike for NYC in general(Actually I do not enjoy large cities in general from the smells to the general feel you get) will be overcome and I may go to the event -- but seeing as it is an hour drive followed by a train ride away; it isnt something that needs to be decided until a lot closer to when it occurs.>>

Well, my chances of going just got reduced big time. It's official. The Pennsylvania Gurad Unit assigned to replace us will not be replacing us until July 15. There was a chance and our Commander was ocnvinced they'd arrive early, like May, but since they're attached to the division replacing 1st ID (currently running KFOR), they won't arrive until the rest of the Pennsylvania Guard (28th ID) shows up.

Hopefully I didn't leak any information that was too sensitive.

So I guess it's 2004, but I'd better not make that too certain, as I may be in the Gulf come summer of 2004. Well, I'll be out of the military in 2005, though, unless they pull a stop loss.

<<Lautenberg will retire whenever the democratic machinery of NJ feels that replacing him with a McGreevey appointment wouldnt make a massive news item and black eye for the NJ democrats.>> Or Lautenberg could keel over.

Too bad NJ will probably forget in 2005.

You must be from a small town or rural area in NJ. I've been to NYC a few times and I liked it, but I grew up in big city (well not anywhere as big as NYC), so I am more comfortable with that feeling.

Gside> <<You sure about that? All I remember is that Kasumi wears a cross, and the Christmas episode doesn't count.>> I guess it appeared that way, with the thing about Christmas, though it is celebrated by some non-Chirstians in America in a similar way.

Nothing else was really implied, outside of the Doctor's mother carrying a shrine of her late husband, which I think is a Shinto practice.

Odd thought about Pendragon>

In MIA, there was a Pakistani gentleman being accosted by skinheads and other punks. He was saved by the London Clan.

In London, there is a substantial Pakistani community, and not all are peaceful loving types like the one in MIA. Some are fundamentalists and support Al Qaeda. Perhaps in one episode something could be brewing among the radicals, especially some Imam with more passion than anyone should ever have. Maybe the gnetleman who was saved by Griff, Una, and Leo could alert them about something that might happen.

Just a possible idea. Ed may have a better idea of the situation in London.

Bud-Clare> <<And exactly which language is this code supposed to be in, I wonder? If it's in an english version, it's twice as funny.>> Hopefully some ancient predecessor to Hebrew, but such codes make for interesting specualtion and occasional party games, but nothing else.

<<In all fairness, my priest warned heavily against Snapple. (He kept getting it confused with schnapps.) Shows how reliable they are. ;)>> But you described him as a looney. Mine are Army chaplains, and form what I've seen, military chaplains make the best clergy.

<<In Japan, Christmas is totally secular. It's just an excuse to get presents... pretty much like it is here. ;)>>

I just didn't think it would be as big, since America is largely post-Chirstian, while Japan is more post-Shinto and post-Zen.

Imzadi> <<it would be a great way to raise funds for the program.>> And less taxes...well, in an ideal world anyway :)

<<And then what would he do?>> I don't know, but I figured for him, a holograph is all he'd need :)

<<Screw you! What did I do, besides be born white?>> Cracker refers to lower-class, usually Southern, but West Virginians and some Ozarks folk count, relatively unedcated whites who usually live in ramshackle shanties or trailers, have limited education experiences, do not desire any educational experiences, and marry very young, often to a relative.

You forget some people use the term properly and not just as a blanket term for all whites. So I wasn't including you or anyone in the CR. Crackers are also quite racist (as most people of the lower class are) and are adamnatly against inter-racial relationships. As a desecendant of Southern gentry, I like grinding crackers under my heel as my Scottish ancestors often did to their serfs :)

<<The public doesn't approve of government protected industries either (the recording industry comes to mind).>> How about family farms, steel, and fishing? I think it's ridiculous we are passing protectionism on fish, since Vietnam is marketing catfish. We should encourage them to export to us, help them enter the WTO and go capitalist.

Instead we pass soem stupid tarriffs to protect doemstic catfish farmers. So what if the catfish came from the My Quon Delta instead of the Mississippi Delta? Let free trade succeed where Lyndon Johnson and Froggy DeGaulle failed.

<<What we need are fewer people, so that we have no choice but to rely on everyone regardless of color ;-)>> Or we wipe out the old farts who promote the old predjudices. Still, I think smaller population or not, intermarriage is good and makes us more of a melting pot.

<<That made no sense.>> That if you receive a lot of crap for having different or unpopular views, you may be more prone to respect views that are different from yours? I would think so, since they know what it's like to be put down.

<< never understood white guilt. Why should I feel guilty for something I didn't do? Granted, I don't feel guilty for things I DID do, but the concept still applies.>> Well, I'm not in favor of reparations, so I'm not as guilty feeling a some, but I don't feel strongly about affirmative action or its intention. I am also from the South and not all of my family was that open-minded, so I am not as quick to attack, though I don't try to blind myself from flaws in affirmative action, but I won't be too concerned over a few white guys having a tougher time than before.

<<After you read it, tell me what you think. Its been on my list for a while>> I will. I already have Shwodown, which is also pretty good.

<<I'd vote for him! But personally I'd rather have Larry Elder run.>> So would I, but you said he isn't planning on running.

DPH> <<ok, just because I gave up my "I'm a moralist" card, doesn't mean that all of my moral values were thrown out the window. Thanks for remembering.>> No one said you had to do anything with the girl. Besides, I thought you'd appreciate the joke, because of all your holograph commentary.

<<Mind you be, I prefer milk from *US* cows. Simply put, I believe that milk from cows in the US has less risk of contamination than imported milk.>> It's not an import issue. There is a federal price ceiling on milk. This menas there is a set minimum price for milk that you buy. The excess not sold is purchased by the US Government. This is protectionism for dairy farmers and a non-racial preference. There is also a price ceiling on sugar, namely thanks to Louisiana politicians, that gives similar benefit to sugar cane farmers. The world price of sugar is lower, because the labor costs in the Carribean is lower.

These are a form of Government preference, just not race based.

<<I have *ZERO* problems with inter-racial couples. Anytime I hear anybody saying the bible is against blacks and whites get married because of cultural differences, I have to ask if that same standard applies to US citizens marrying internationals.>> I'd agree. Besides, cultural differences are not that immense, even in Balkanized places like Boston and Chicago.

I know you to open-minded on race, though I imagine your dad is not so enlightened.

<<Yep, unless a glass ceiling is encountered.>> Well, I don't set a glass ceiling on my personal opinion of people, and I am mainly referring to stuff we can do as individuals.

<<That's sad, but that situation can create that type of thinking.>> Yeah...those damnyankees, plus Boston is one of the most segregated cities in the US, next to Chicago. Surprsingly the south is the most intergrated region in the US these days.

<<Yea, something to be proud about in Arkansas.>> And his son is Lt Governor. He or Huckabee are probably the best chances against Lincoln in '04, though unseating incumbents can be difficult, though Hutchinson was ousted. Then again, I heard he cheated on his wife, which is pretty bad for a minister, and I thought Arkansas punished cheating husabnds by sending them to Washington DC :)

<<Can I offer a small comment? I overheard some African-Americans talking to each other and heard that word used.>> I don't like that too much, either. I was more pointing out that Clinton may actually be something of a racist deep down and he just hid that when he was running for President. Now, I do put Clinton under the cracker category and under the catewgory of people I wish woudl die of a heart attack and soon.

<> He's for wahtever gets him elected. Bill Clinton is pro-Bill Clinton.

Jaden> Good idea. Do you think you'll get called up to the Gulf? It seems everyone is and I imagine they'll need theri duckhunters :)

Dezi> <<But its not numerology, I think more like some guys that got really bored.>> That sounds interesting, and I think The Omega Code was based on that, loosely, excpet that The Omega Code gets a definite thumbs down for having the anti-Chirst be a Catholic. At least Left Behind had the Pope taken up in the rapture and they had the next Pope be Peter II, which is a neat little legend about the apocalypse coming (all information provided by Daphne, which I hope makes her post if she reads that).

<<Jesse Jackson talks out of his butt anyway. I've always thought that, even before I really knew why. General impression I guess.>> Plus he's a professional protestor. What's worse is that Al Sharpton is called a Civil Rights activist. That's like calling David Duke a Civil Rights Activist...he's a rce-baiting demagouge, and at least most Republicans want to disown Duke.

<<He just tells me to shut up.>> He needs better manners. Maybe you should remind him who's boss. My first girlfriend often did that, though she was verbally abusive about it.

<<Let's hear it for us Latinos! Now the largest minority in the US. *pauses and looks at that for a second and shrugs* Apparently the are about 37 million of us running amok in a hometown near you!>> There may be more, sinc emnay latinos put themselves down as white. Plus they aren't a homogenous group, either.

Tony Elliot> <<My point is that faith is paramount, and whatever denomination one chooses is not important as long as it helps keep that person grounded in a positive faith.>> I still have my preferences.

<<If the denomination is not helping one grow in faith, don’t be afraid to switch to one that does, even if it goes against the family tradition.>> Changing the denomination may not be needed. Maybe going to another Church could work or learning about your faith...it's sad how few Presbyterians give a blank stare if you mention John Knox or how many Catholics have never heard of GK Chesterton or Thomas Merton.

Breaking with family tradition may just mean going to Church more often than Christmas and Easter. Many people who have no real sense of religion are part of the Chirtsmas and Easter Club, so anything as radical as denomination change may not be needed. Now if soemone rejects the tenets of teh faith they were raised by, then it may be time to look into a new faith or do self-exploration.

<<That’s exactly what I think the problem is; the motions – the religion – is useless if faith is not nurtured.>> It's more about ignorance. Most people know zilch about their faith, or they have a really twisted idea about it. Lack of education or bad education is more an issue.

<<A what? Sound like a “Brothers & sisters, for the low price everything you own…”>> It's a Jehova's Witness Church.

Heather> <<Like my older brother Michael and my dad. In Saudi.>> I didn't know he was in Saudi. Well, I guess he finally got his TDY. I imagine he'll come through it just fine.

<> So you're now covered under Tricare? I'm glad.

<<Oh, I don't know if people would care but if anyone does, please think of the people who are risking their lives overseas for us.>> Thanks. I'm glad to do my part :)

<> I hope he does, too. He may get soem R&R leave depending on how long he's been overseas.

I am eligible to use it,s ince I'll be in Kosovo until July, but I'd rather use the tax free leave when it would reduce my taxes, meaning after August.

Yggdrasil> <<(That and it allowed for out frosh to get drunk right from their first year as the drinking age is 19.)>> And drinking age actualy deters them? I come from New Orleans, and I know there are a lot of oflks under 21 getting drunk in those uptown bars :)

<<It was made by Michael Moore (the author of Stupid White Men)>> Yes, that is exactly what Micahel Moore is :)

Dezi> <<This changes nothing, however, I'm still antiwar. But I am pro-my dad.>> Well, at leats you set your priorities.

I've seen soem of the protestors with their big posters of Sadaam and their Palestinian flags. What a morally bankrupt lot those clowns are. I've also heard about some with placards of Stalin and Che Guevera.

Also, Germany, France, and Belgium have blocked NATO from offering help to Turkey in case the war affects them. What an Aixs of Weasels. Too bad we can't accidentally drop a few bombs on Paris, maybe one can hit the Eiffel Tower, and what better symbol for France than a giant butt plug!

When I return from Kosovo and do soem European travel, France and Belgium won't see any of my euros, or Austria for that matter. I hope we can relocate all German bases to Poland, Hungary, and Czech, as thos enatiosn appreciate us and deserve all the money that comes with hosting a US military base.

Dezi> <<My mom does and I did my part for USA by somersaulting the explorer into a cornfield for her. It was pretty much useless after that.>> Anything that guzzles that much gasoline is pretty worthless if that does it in. A Humveee may use up just as much gasoline, but at leats it can take a licking. Hopefully you weren't hurt in that incident. Did the SUV have Firestone tires?

Fire Storm> Don't forget the destruction caused in Korea and Japan, plus neither world war damaged Paris, though the Champs-Elysees has lots of trees since Germans like to march in the shade.

<<It ended on an odd note: I was visiting my father at his Army base (He is SO anti-government that he would NEVER join the Army),>> Ddn't stop me.

<<and one of his fellow privates commented that once they were in Iraq, they could convert every Muslim there to the right religion: Catholic
And my dad commented: Nope. Mormon.>>

That is weird. But you kind of brought it on yourself with the movie and game.

Hyperion> <<and so did a goodly number of Catholic priests during the pedophile scandal.>> It was a few Bishops at fault, and some greedy lawyers were out to get a class action lawsuit against the Vatican. Not surprsing for lawyers. They're worse than cockroaches. Besides, I am not surprised about all the sex scandals in Boston. What else do you expect from Kennedy HQ?

<> But we could end him to North Korea and the people there could enjoy a good meal :)

Actually, www.moorewatch.com has even more info on this fraud.

Spacebabie> <<Hey moron unless you start making your own money soon all you will be able to shop in would be thrift stores.>> So he's a broke borkedick :)

Fire Storm> <> How about the human shields in Iraq? I'd love to pop a few of them just for fun, but wait, I can't do that...well, hopefully the Kurds will be more fun when we're working with them.

Yggdrasil> <<If someone steals from me I won't like it, but it's no reason to kill someone. Objects can be replaced, lives cannot.>> Morally. you have a point, however morality and legality are quite different. Legally, we should have a your ass law and if you enter someone's private property, it's your ass. Now, you can choose to tell him to leave or tie him up for the authorities, but his ass shoudl belong to you, till you turn him over to the cops. But that's just my belief.

<<People can defend themselves, but not at the cost of another life.>> Maybe on a moral standpoint, but I think even natural law okays it, and I would shudder if that became part fo positive law. Well, if I see someone in the CR threatened, I will kill the one who is the threat. Maybe I don't have that right, but I would feel a lot guiltier about letting someone die.

<<A moral difference, but in my mind an important one.>> But I get the impression you want to make it positive law. Maybe I am mistaken.

Tony Eliot> <<OIC>> I think it mainly Irish Catholics who use guilt like that. I don't see it as often with French or Italian Catholcis and most of my latino friends (95% of them being Catholic) are not accustomed to feeling guilty without reason. I guess its cultural, and often passed on by the mother.

Niamhgold> <<Milady is fine ;)>> Sure thing, honey!! :D

Mooncat> <<Ygg's story makes me want to renew my NRA membership. *^_^* And go to the range more.>> Ilike your way of thinking. Makes me purr :)

Gabriel> Deadjournal? Well, I knew that was coming :)

Imzadi> <<Sleep time. Click my name for a funny article from Berkeley's new conservative newspaper (this will be funny even if you're a commie liberal, I promise).>> I like it, especially as it reminds me of basic Micro Economics Class :)

Revel> I take it you and Spacebabie avoid talking politics :)

Hyperion> <<Which is why I endorse gun ownership even more now. The day they come for my weapons is the day I declare open, armed insurrection against the government. There are 80 million weapons owners in the us. We can take ‘em.>> Plus you'll know the cue better. When Ashcroft calls for gun registration, you know the jig is up, because its a Republican calling for gun registration. If it was Janet Reno, you wouldn't know if she was planning a takeover or just talking shit.

<> That reminds me of a new ad about SUVs promote Democrats, because they're made by UAW members and teh UAW has many Michigan Democrats in their back pocket, which includes Flint and Moore's dad was a UAW thug, too.

Aaron> <> That applies to a Micahel Moore documentary too :)

<<You guys peacefully left Great Britain's skirts in, what, 1948?>> In Harry Turtledove's Great War series, we conquer them..well not us, since we're in a seperate country, but at the end of the alternate WWI, West Texas breaks off form the CSA and joins the Union as the state of Houston.

Yggdrasil> I won't miss Jean Cretin. I don't know if I'd call the Liberals Center-Right. I myself would probably be Progressive Consevrative if I were Canadian.

Now Germany is unique as one of their right wing parties is the Christian Socialist Union, though that's just a name. I am glad that the Social Democrats took a betaing in Germany's last election. It's a good sign to show fat old Gerhard.

BTW, I hear Newfoundland of all place may shift to the right.

Now I back you on the fallacy of the organic cult. I myself see nothing wrong with genetic engineering, and if France has a problem with it, I say we impose trade sanctions on those chesse eating surrender monkeys. They won't buy our beef, why should we buy their wine and cheese.

I also see genetically engineered food as a real boon for a lot of poorer nations and hungry peopel everywhere, though in North Korea Kim Il Jong will just take teh food and dsitribute it to his troosp as the people starve.

Dezi> <<Viva la republica! (does Spanish work better?)>> Well, Spain supports the US, and as a reward they should get Western France, as Ireland and the UK can take Northern France, Netherlands can get Belgium back, Italy can take Southeastern France until they reach the area Spain has claimed, and Poland and Czech can claim Eastern Germany :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Saturday, February 15, 2003 05:51:39 PM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Is the next season of Pendragon going to be about the Holy Grail?
The Question
Saturday, February 15, 2003 03:22:21 PM
IP: 216.170.210.200

I haven't made a post like this here in forever, but here goes.

Desdemona: <<yall need to start writin again>> They *are* writing. Though it seems to us like they've just been sitting on their lazy butts all this time, they're actually very busy working on five different TGS series in different stages of completion. Todd just said that "Pendragon" is the closest to being ready and is in the editing stage. <<or greig weismen needs to start writing cuz he knows gargoyles aint comming back on>> Greg is busy making a living, as are most people with families to feed. We don't know what he's currently working on but there's a chance it's the Gargoyles DVD. And he hasn't lost hope that the series will return in some form. <<and the last question he answerd was in october 2001 so i guess it is over>> Check again.

Dezi: <<Let's hear it for us Latinos! Now the largest minority in the US>> Not surprising. More than half the births in California last year were Hispanic (50.2%, compared to 31.4% Caucasian, 11.3% Asian and 6.1% African-American).

Fire Storm: <<Moon base: I say make it 100 feet underground. That would nearly completely shield them from even the worst of the solar radiation>> and from the space debris constantly raining down on the surface, since the moon has no atmosphere for anything to burn up in.

Coyote> Try posting that at Aimee's if you want feedback. Looks good, but I think you still need to work on getting the legs proportional to the rest of the body.

Tony Elliot: <> Greg's explanation: "Her eyes glow, because the spell is imperfect. (And cuz it's cool.)"

Josh: <> Remember the psychic Lilah hired to make Cordelia's visions cause her physical harm--the claw marks, pus, and burns? Regardless, though, I think the Big Bad is using Cordy as a vessel. Didn't she kill Lilah with the Beast's knife? I think Cordy was the spy in their midst, not Angelus (ie, she was the one who tampered with their drinks). And now I can't help but wonder if Conner impregnated her.

Principal Wood> This whole "I'll avenge my family and kill you, even though you have a soul and aren't technically evil anymore" thing sounds too much like the Holtz/Angel plot. Of course Spike doesn't have a kid for Wood to kidnap and raise, but I'm still hoping for some unexpected twists to make this story stand apart.

Sunshineangel: <<which would be the proper place to burn a funeral pyre?>> Probably somewhere outside the castle. Burning flesh doesn't smell too good. <<Also, on which do the Gargs perch on, individual parapets or battlements?>> Depends on the size of the clan and the space available, I'd imagine.

Hyperion: <<When you stick a gene from a shellfish into a strain of wheat it's possible that some poor schlob with an allergy to shellfish may have it triggered by the shellfish gene in his bread>> Only if the gene encodes a protein proven to cause allergies. There have been many studies detailing exactly which shellfish proteins are dangerous, so hopefully the genetic engineers in your example would have looked the info up.

Death Hawk> It's 'hiatus'. Don't sweat it--people ask about the new seasons once or twice a week in here. Maybe there should be an announcement box at the top of the page saying what the latest news is on the stories. As for joining the writing team, they have recruitment drives every so often. You just missed one for "Bad Guys". Right now they're having an art recruitment drive, if you want to try out for that.

Toon Disney Question> Have they ever featured Demona or Xanatos on "Chillin' with the Villains"? Xanatos's pic is up on their page, yet I don't recall them ever featuring him.
Vashkoda
Saturday, February 15, 2003 03:15:11 PM
IP: 129.98.123.136

I am so sorry, I did a word search of my name, to see if anyone responded to my question. I didn't know there wer so maney responces. I read what it said about bad guys, and when it's releases, I will read. And as for someone mentioning that season 4 of timedancer was released resently, :'( I didn't read much of that, but I've been meaning to. I should get on the ball and read it. Sorry if I sounded so rude..... :'(
Death Hawk - [DeathHawk13@msn.com]
WI, USA
Saturday, February 15, 2003 01:22:22 PM
IP: 64.91.86.204

Ok, it would appear that if you want anyone to knotice you, you either have to write a thousand posts, or one giant 3 page long post.

Fine.

Here goes!!

I've been visiting this site for a long time now, and I've noticed that whoever is writing these episodes has been on haiti(if i spelled it wrong forgive me) for an encreadable amount of time. I think the first time i noticed that detail, was about 4 or 5 months ago. I bet even more since I abviously didn't start reading when season 3 of gargoyles was released. I have no idea when i started reading, or when I stopped, or even how long it took me to notice the Haiti thing. My best guess.......6 or seven months!!!

My question is this, (forgive the increadably long message that might sound just a bit rude, I'm trying to write a long post hear, and in which case, I'm just rambling)

When are new episodes going to be released???

I am very impatient.

There was another thing I wanted to mention, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to ask. If someone wants to help you guys write episodes, how can they do that? Ever since I started watching the show, (way back when) My mind always started going in high speed. After the show canceled (a day many suicides occurred [don't quote me, it's not true, just my oppinion]) I never stopped drawing, and desining. I went to an add desing colledge, and most of my art is gargoyles. I even made a collage of pics from different catallogs, and made a photograph of a gargoyle (looks real too, have to look real close, for hours, before you can tell it's fake) And the part you are all waiting for me to say.....yes....it's true.....I also desinged my own characters (over 100) and each one has a detailed and specific background, history, personality, and appear in many mental episodes, (mental, as in, it's only in my head) Of course, you guys must get your fill of ideas, and who would want more, so if given the chance, I'll make only 3 character suggestions (in order for them to appear, a 4th one would be included, but only in one episode, never to re-appear unless the sensus thinks it's a good character)

Just give me a chance....I'll write a sample episode, let one of your experts read it, then critisize it down as much as possible (unless it's really good and there is no way to say anything bad about it)

You wouldn't even have to give me much credit, something under CONSEPT or IDEA BY. All I really want is to contribute to a wonderfull show. A show that has been more insperation than anyone can emagine. It is the basis of all my desings and theories.

I must stop soon. It is almost time to eat. And I can't be late, under pergery of many arguments and screams, and lots and lots of hollaring.

I'll include my email, incase someone wants to send me a letter (more than likly, it will say something like: CAN YOU PLEASE STOP FILLING OUR PRECIOUS CR WITH ALL THAT RAMBLING CRUD, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU!!) That was my 2 cents, and the 10 cents from last week, and the 10 cents from the week before, and the week before, and the week before, and the week before, and the week before,........................................................................................................................I'll stop now...................and the week before, and the week before,
Death Hawk - [DeathHawk13@msn.com]
USASaturday, February 15, 2003 12:47:16 PM
IP: 64.91.86.204

Hyperion> <<Where did you pull that from?>>
Where I pulled that from was the fact that you can't seem to keep track of what it is that you're arguing about, hence me mocking you slightly. You took two issues which are mostly separate (his desire to ban guns, and him (allegedly) letting the mugger go), stuck them in a blender on liquify, and came out with a bizarre cocktail. You jumped back and forth between the two issues so seemlessly that at first glance you appeared to actually be making sense, but on closer inspection... not so much sense. I think you've been letting your emotions cloud your... er, ability to make a coherent argument? Ability to stay on-topic? Not sure what to call it... Just thought you should know.

<<I’m all for non-lethal means, but I also like to be able to, as a last resort, apply lethal means to stop a criminal.>>
But since lethal versus non-lethal means were not an issue in that case (as he easily disarmed the guy), your ranting made no sense in that context. Ranting at him just for letting the guy go would have been reasonable, but you were going on about lethal force and such, instead. (And it wasn't even a proper tangent, IMO.)

<<I don’t think anyone should value his life over another persons. I don’t think anyone should have the means to take another person’s life as easily as a gun makes it, so all guns should be banned. So they take away my guns, and I’m defenseless. Now I cannot make the decision whether to take the life of an armed assailant trying to kill me with his illegal firearm, as I am a law-abiding citizen.>>
A. You're drawing conclusions about his line of reasoning and B. you missed my point. But nevermind. I'll assume from other statements that you made that you didn't mean it the way it sounded. (Or, rather, the way it _might_ have sounded, since there were two ways to interpret the statement, only one of which would cause me to smack you.)

<<So did you even *read* the articles at the links in question?>>
No. Why should I? It was obvious from the context what the links were about. It's not as if you were subtle.

<<All I was pointing out was a case wherein two men robbed, tortured and then mercilessly killed seven people because they could not defend themselves, and one case where a man who raped six woman was stopped by a judicious use of lethal force.>>
No, you were trying to prove your case by showing that some people agree with you. But obviously some people agree with you, which proves nothing in itself, so all you succeeded in doing was annoying me. If you were just trying to provide an example of why you believe what you do, you should have worded it differently, rather than resorting to cheap theatrics.
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Yggdrasil> <<Now normally cider is pasteurized, so this minimizes the chance on infection, but on many organic products shun this as "unnatural".>>
*snickers* I'd never heard that before. That's... so sad.
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Dezi> <<Got my first flat tire ever today.>>
Sorry. I got a flat tire a few months ago, but fortunately it was one of the ones that needed to be replaced anyway.

<<Lord help the Scots.>>
And people in ridiculously plaid jammies.

<>
I _hate_ it when that happens. I've never done quite that badly, but I have freaked myself out quite a few times.

<<Really? *flattered if youre not sarcastic*>>
*L* Not sarcastic.
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Gside> <<When is c E?>>
To quote, for instance, you, "I was just saying that earlier today." :P

<<It's not like I'm specifically targeting him.>>
Should hope not. That would incur terrible karmic repercussions... mostly in the form of me hitting you upside the head with a large heavy book. ;)

<<and any number of sport shows.>>
I hate sports shows.

<<And I hear you're not supposed to use soap on your wine glasses, just put them in the sanitary cycle>>
But that's at least hot water. She doesn't even use hot water. She uses the sponge that I scour the sink with. *shudder* Stupid bitch. And her little cat, too. *cackles irritably*

<<so let's breed quadruple breaded chickens.>>
*blinks* Er?
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Josh> <<Its DUCT tape, you tard.>>
My roll has little ducky pictures on it. And why do you insist on calling absolutely everyone retarded? Do you know any other words?

<<Why is it that every time Senator Kinsey shows up we have to have a flashback episode?!>>
He's so annoying that I'm not sure it really matters. I liked the end, though. Thor's so cute. He's like a little, funny-looking teddy bear... I wish I'd gotten more sleep.

<< <<were the technical questions disappointed?>>: I didn't ask.>>
That explains why you never get any complaints then, doesn't it?

<<No ickier than shooting anything else.>>
No true. There's a difference between putting a hole in someone and removing several toes.

<<How does AND work in any other context?>>
Argh... *tries to think of example* It can be used to make a list of things which are true in the given case, but aren't all necessary for the given... thing. Brain not functioning... Like, "I don't like raspberry cheesecake because I hate raspberries and cheesecake." ...which isn't all that great of an example, actually, since it's negative, but it does still work. If RC is "dislikes rasp. cheesecake" and R is "dislikes raspberries", and C is "dislikes cheesecake", then RC is true if R OR C, even though the sentence used "and". Need caffeine...

<<You mean because he's uneducated and she's a physics graduate student?>>
Not just a grad student, a fucking genius grad student who makes all the other physics people jealous. His being uneducated is trivial, since that can be changed. He does seem to be quite intelligent, but the chances of him being anywhere near in Fred's league are pretty small. Cuz she's just damned smart. (Of course, if Gunn had had an education equivalent to Wesley's, he'd probably give Wes a run for his money...)

<< Love those aphids in my fruit!>>
Protein...

<<The international language of love?!>>
*snorts/chortles* (I'm experimenting with hybrid laughs.)

<<The thing is retarded.>>
I'm going to start counting the number of times that you use that word in a given post. No, wait, I've got better things to do...

<<A fatal case of EUTHANASIA.>>
Beats a non-fatal case... That can get ugly.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:25:36 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Ok, for the last (and that matter, first) time!
If the tape is army green it is *duck* tape. Soliders called this waterproof tape duck tape because water rolled off it like a duck's back. This is the stuff that all other ___ tape variants are based on.
If the tape is silver it is *duct* tape, because homebuilders used the silver varient for, what else, taping up ducts.
If the tape used at NASCAR, odds are it'll be called *200 MPH* tape, for reasons that should be obvious.
The company that sells the tape as Duck Tape was part of the company that initally won the contract to sell the green stuff to the Army.
Now shut up, y'all!

GE food>I'll throw this one out. I have no idea how true it is, but I've heard it tossed around. When you crossbreed wheat with wheat, you know what you're getting. When you stick a gene from a shellfish into a strain of wheat it's possible that some poor schlob with an allergy to shellfish may have it triggered by the shellfish gene in his bread.
<shrug>
If it's true, it'd tick me off.

Hyperion
Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:09:55 PM
IP: 151.199.237.70

I hate being on pain killers... I feel like I'm on speed but I want to sleep at the same time. :P

What couples in TGS: Gargoyles and TGS: Pendragon couples be doing for Valentine's Day? *thinks* Well... Sex is always nice. But it isn't everything. Like Robby saids "It is nice but it is just a bonus. Being with someone you care about is much more important".

But anyway... Robby thinks I should get some more self confidence about my art work... So I was wondering, if someone on the board is bored, there is a link to my archive of Lion King-like pictures.

*blushes red*
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:34:22 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Lunch at Apple today, talked with one of the product design guys I met last summer. WANT that job. Also trying to get a scholarship to Apple's worldwide developer conference (WWDC) this year. The ticket costs $1600, so without it there's no way I'm going. Hotel and food will be expensive enough.

If you had a happy valentines day, then ROT! ;-)

Also saw DareDevil. Not bad, actually. Better than spiderman, but very much a rip off of Batman. And that chick is HOT.

Tonight's stargate episode was very disappointing. Why is it that every time Senator Kinsey shows up we have to have a flashback episode?!

Todd: <>: Sex.

Fire Storm: <>: That's c. <<LM just doesn't like the idea of a threesome with her sister>>: Picky women. <<as long as Imzadi brings the hot wings>>: I don't like hot wings. But I'm happy to bring other food items. <<GAPING Goatse-sized>>: Redundant? <<pick up some hotties, and settle this while they all give us blow jobs?>>: The downside to this is having to be present while these leaders are getting blow jobs 8-) <<Three times as much ignoring them>>: LOL. <<Demona would buy and then close a greeting card factory>>: Or DDoS an e-card site? <>: Charming, really.

Heather: <<Maybe I should keep my mouth shut about this. I'm afraid that this might hurt my chances with TGS>>: I'm sure it doesn't matter. They want artists, not pedants.

Spacebabie: <<A box of Godiva from Revel instead of needle in my cat>>: A deal at twice the price! <<please skip ahead>>: Why do I always ignore these warnings? GAG. <<Valentines is usually tricky with trending to find a guy a gift>>: Show up naked. Bring food. <<Open that hole you put food in>>: Depending on how kinky he is, that could be unspecific. <<Are the other programs MALE?>>: No, and that was retarded. <<were the technical questions disappointed?>>: I didn't ask. <<That had to have been short>>: A page and a half. <>: Then why are you at college?

Bud-Clare: <<my roommate doesn't use soap when she washes her dishes>>: That's just sick. <<you _are_ dependent... It's just a question of whether or not you're admitting it>>: Or at least a question of telling the IRS ;-) <<_can_ you be claimed as a dependent" not "_are_ you">>: They're actually the same question, legally speaking. Only your legal guardians can claim you as a dependent, so if they aren't, then you "can't" be claimed as one. Because really, ANYONE can be claimed as a dependent. An invalid, a child, even a fully cognizant adult who still lives off the family fortune. <<You must have missed "Fool For Love">>: Yup. Oh well, I'll see it again. <<Just make sure you miss the toes, cuz that would be icky>>: No ickier than shooting anything else. <<we're a great big country with lots and lots of missiles. Are you worried that they might be suicidal?>>: Only takes one suicidal nutcase. <<we should kill anyone who might be even remotely dangerous? There goes the entire human race>>: Nah, just politicians. I think we'd get along much better if it weren't for them. <>: He's basically saying that yggdrasil, by his decision, has put him in danger. <<Or was that a logical AND>>: How does AND work in any other context? <>: Thank you! <<you find the lack of criticism of your skills to be refreshing>>: Unconfident males often have that problem. <<Vegetables harm no one>>: The bedpan cleaners don't like it. <<Punctuation isn't that scary, either. Try it>>: LOL. <<massively insecure about the differences in their IQs>>: You mean because he's uneducated and she's a physics graduate student?

Aaron: <<That's great, coming from a guy who can bend steel in his bare hands. But what do the rest of us do?>>: So true. <<That's a rather personal question, isn't it?>>: And as the admin you should put a stop to it! <<Speak standard you dirty Metric user!>>: Don't yell at the canadian for your ignorance. Its not HIS fault. <<We settled a fundamental constitutional question by killing half a million men>>: The good news is that we were right!

Hyperion: <>: I feel better than ever. <<1 Escape Parachute: Executive-Chute>>: This would fail, and you'd be dead. Just FYI. <<I’ve never heard of someone shrugging off a .45 hollowpoint>>: Ahhnold. <<my state decided to make the carrying of charged paintball weapons a crime>>: Bastards. <<CLITORIS>>: Somehow, I don't see DPH agreeing to such a name. <<God hates plaid>>: As he should. <<it was just a convenient excuse to make a joke about Berkley>>: We're a good target. <<I’m going to get some soup>>: Soup Good. Typos Bad.

Yggdrasil: <<Just think the Liberals are considered right of centre here>>: Silly canadians. <<I'll refer to them as GE foods>>: I think that name might be trademarked. <<what are your opinions, comments or fears about GE foods?>>: Food good. If it doesn't kill me, I'll eat it. <<Mainly based upon a false impression that natural = safe>>: Mmmm! Love those aphids in my fruit! <<the fact that there is this mystical sense of purity around our food is genuinely frightening>>: People are stupid. Especially rich people. In Los Angeles. Er...so I've heard... <<Can we not aspire to be more than just what we are>>: We can aspire to anything. Doesn't mean we can get there. <>: The international language of love?! <<your scientists as well>>: Engineers prefer it, and we're trained with it, but usually we don't get to use it. Why? Management.

Dezi: <<why did this thing just take my name and put it there on the board?>>: The thing is retarded. <<It all reminded him of McCarthyism>>: He's very right. <<had me testing 9v batteries today. My tongue hurts>>: There are battery testing devices, you know. <<Must be a demonstration of his sensative side>>: uh huh... <<poured sewage all over the 2nd, 1st, and basement floors>>: LOL! <<the axel or what ever its called that holds my back tires to my car>>: Lug nuts? <<The third part>>: Sleep? What's so confusing about that? <<We just keep on telling ourselves, Its ok, they just aren't able to understand>>: On the contrary. We understand. We just don't care. <<letting him have his porn lets me off the hook for a while. Ah peace and quiet>>: If you feel you need to be "off the hook", then it sounds like you've got issues.

Leo: <<the cloned sheep died today at 6 yrs old>>: Yeah. A fatal case of EUTHANASIA.

Gside: <>: I know. I needed to add emphasis. Justifies my Geek License. <>: If you had food, sleep, and sex, you wouldn't think much about toys. <>: I blame her too. <<lesbian/bisexual sisters are a staple of porn>>: Only if they're twins. <<let's breed quadruple breaded chickens>>: I assume you mean quadruple-BREASTED. Though breaded chickens would be nice too 8-) <<there is actually a brand called Duck Tape>>: Doesn't matter.

126. Rather than having only one secret escape pod, which the hero can easily spot and follow, I'll simultaneously launch a few dozen decoys to throw him off track.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, February 15, 2003 06:13:25 AM
IP: 64.170.152.191

Quick weird questions:

Although I have looked up the definition of bailey and courtyard, which would be the proper place to burn a funeral pyre? Also, on which do the Gargs perch on, individual parapets or battlements?

Thanks for the clarification!
Sunshineangel
ATL, GA
Saturday, February 15, 2003 03:59:00 AM
IP: 12.13.176.70

Imzadi> <<e does not change with units>>: I was just saying that earlier today.
<<What part of THREE was confusing?>>: None, but I think you're forgetting a manly want.
<<It is>>: I blame my mother.

Fire Storm> <<Bad aftertaste, in my opinion!>>: You have an uncultured palate.
<>: When is c E?
<<LM just doesn't like the idea of a threesome with her sister>>: But lesbian/bisexual sisters are a staple of porn.
<<as long as Imzadi brings the hot wings>>: Hot wings are not as evil as jalepeno poppers.
<<EMULATOR, where are you?>>: Waiting for the hardware to obscalese so the manufacturer won't pay as much attention.
<>: Ow. heal well.

Spacebabie> <<Open that hole you put food in>>The only thing that would come in would be NH3, which doesn't work well.
<<and they are?>>: Spring of drowned duck, and spring of drowned cat, both small animals. Other important springs are Sprin of drowned pig (Heituenniichuan), spring of drowned panda (Shonmaoniichuan), spring of drowned yeti riding bull carrying swan in one hand eel in other (Niuhoomanmaoren-niichuan), spring of drowned octopus (Chanyuiniichuan), and spring of drowned Akane (Akaneniichuan). Please note, due to translation intricacies, drowned only means fully submerged.

Bud Clare> <<You'd blow up Dirk?>>: It's not like I'm specifically targeting him.
<<wasn't that Thor that Trillian met at that party?>>: Ah, good point.
<>: It's not as bad as making a game for a show. And besides, there are precedents, especially Searching for Bobby Fisher, and any number of sport shows.
<<Do redundant stupidities count?>>: I believe so.
<<Cuz my roommate doesn't use soap when she washes her dishes>>: Not quite the same. It's a count of stupid things said in class. And I hear you're not supposed to use soap on your wine glasses, just put them in the sanitary cycle (aka increadibly hot wash).

Aaron> <>: Generally, I prefer Gunjack.

Yggdrasil> <<Regardless, what are your opinions, comments or fears about GE foods?>>: I like my white meat, so let's breed quadruple breaded chickens.

Imzadi> <<Its DUCT tape, you tard>>: In all fairness, there is actually a brand called Duck Tape.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, February 15, 2003 01:27:19 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Quack Quack!:P
********
zzzzzaaap!

Dezi
Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:07:00 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

$%@# *&@! *&$ ^$#@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's the "REAL" link
Leo - [<-Dolly Dies]
Friday, February 14, 2003 11:56:37 PM
IP: 172.155.73.130

Oops, forgot something. :p
Dezi:<<My tv producer had me testing 9v batteries today. My tongue hurts.>>You should have told him to go buy a cheap plastic battery tester.

Josh:<<Dezi: Its DUCT tape, you tard.>> Well, she did say she had been testing 9v batteries with her tongue.
:p

Leo
Friday, February 14, 2003 11:45:26 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Dolly, the cloned sheep died today at 6 yrs old.

Leo - [<-link]
Friday, February 14, 2003 11:38:07 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Dezi: Its DUCT tape, you tard.
Josh
Friday, February 14, 2003 11:14:11 PM
IP: 64.170.152.191

First off, why did this thing just take my name and put it there on the board? :P

Second: I have come here to plead with people to please NOT duck tape up your dwellings (just in case any one here is falling for that).
See, while duck tape and plastic sales might be stimulating our economy (they've already got the stuff going on ebay), the media that is putting out these "helpful" tips have forgotten one important thing: If you cover all of the openings or cracks in your dwelling to keep air contaminated from a bio-chemical attack out, you are also keeping all other kinds of air OUT. Now, while I may be a typing fish (and a quite talented one, I might add) I'm under the impression that the rest of you need good breathable O2. AIR. If you ducktape up your house and cover every possible hole, you will suffocate. It might take a little while, but why bother going outside for air if all the air outside is "contaminated". As no attack has happened yet, you just might suffocate waiting for one.
Furthermore, it seems to me to be nearly impossible for anyone to completely locate and cover all the holes in a dwelling. So in the end, the people that took "precautions" are screwed too because they missed some little hole that they couldnt see. But they will be screwed and out a couple hundred bucks cause they spent it all on plastic. So there. :P So ends my little PSA.

My video production teacher said something interesting today regarding the new government warning to be suspicious of your neighbors or coworkers cause you never know if they might be one of "them". It all reminded him of McCarthyism. 'Cept this time its terrorist, not communists. Eh, they both end in "ist". I told this to my boyfriend's mom and she said she didnt need to worry much, cause her neighbors are mormon. 8-)

Got my first flat tire ever today. Ran over something sharp right before pulling into my apartment parking place. Watched the tire deflate. Blah. So I'm really in a good mood.

My tv producer had me testing 9v batteries today. My tongue hurts.

On an up note, Brandon got me a giant stuffed puppy dog for valentines day. I came home from work and it was looking at me. BTW he loved the stuff I gave him. The puppy- "It's so soft!" *rubbed against my face* And that blanket is quite warm he liked that too. Must be a demonstration of his sensative side. :)

A water pipe broke yesterday in the oldest building on campus. It broke over the 2nd floor and poured sewage all over the 2nd, 1st, and basement floors. Yucko. Good story for the school paper though.

Hyperion: <Also, God hates plaid > Lord help the Scots.
<Vive la republic! (acck! French!) > Viva la republica! (does Spanish work better?)

Aaron: <Hell, Texans can't drive down a flat, straight road in bright sunshine without having a wreck every half mile...> Damn those armadillos sleeping on the asphalt! Nature's little speed bump. :)
<A nation built on, with, and through violence. > Forget the Scots, Lord help us all. :)

Bud Claire: <"10:00? It can't be-- oh, shit... I missed class again."> I had a summer job where I had to wake up at 4:30 am and the nite before my first day, I got really nervous about being late, so I went to bed at 9 pm and woke up apparently an hour later. I read the clock backwards and swore I was late for work. I got up and ran to my mom's room to ask her is she could make my lunch while she was going to make hers (we were working at the same place) and she was in bed, cross-stitching (her hobby and first love) and looked at me like I was nuts. Her clock was digital, I figured out what happened and went to bed.
<" not "_are_ you"? > Dunno. Barely remember what that was about. It seemed relevant at the time. *shrugs*
 LOL. I woke up this morning while having a dream that someone had stolen the axel or what ever its called that holds my back tires to my car and I was on the cell phone telling the police. I woke up in midconversation. I was really confused cause there was no phone but I had my hand to my head like there was one.
<*awed*> Really? *flattered if youre not sarcastic* *shrugs if you are*

Spacebabie: <?<<>>Me too> Wasn't mine though, was Barracuda's. I just added the part about my Gramma being a Dell Dude fan.

Fire Storm: <Saddam: Ok. Friends, everyone?> Now wouldn't the world be a better place?

Imzadi: <What part of THREE was confusing? > The third part.
<how can they deal with men?> Kinda similar to dealing with small children and pets. We just keep on telling ourselves, Its ok, they just aren't able to understand. 8-) Besides, letting him have his porn lets me off the hook for a while. Ah peace and quiet.

I had this shirt I got in 1999 that was black and had a computer on it with sparks coming out of it and said Apocalypse NOT! on it. Maybe time to unearth it. Just for the doomsayers.

Its the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. I really do. 8-)

later
Dezi
Friday, February 14, 2003 10:39:54 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Greetings;

Nothing on gun control tonight, I've got a new topic to toss into the ring (the gun topic is not dead, I'll post on it tomorrow).

We had a very interesting speaker at the university this week. The discussion was on the public's perception of genetically modified foods (from here on in I'll refer to them as GE foods for Genetically Engineered) and how they have changed over time.

I'll start with a little peeve that many biologists have with this whole affair, that being the use of the term "genetically modified". Almost every food that you eat has been "genetically modified", mainly through selective breeding and crosses with other lines. Agriculture, both plant and animal has done this for millennia. As an example we can look to the development of modern wheat. This plant began as a simple grass, but over time plants with larger heads (and consequently larger starch levels = more nutritional value) were selected and used to plant succeeding generations. There have been many interesting developments in the genome of wheat, but I won't bore you with the details. The point is that what people are concerned about are genetically engineered food items; those plants that have been engineered to have altered or enhanced traits.

Regardless, what are your opinions, comments or fears about GE foods? Although the anti-GE foods movement really hit its peak around 2000, they are still a pervasive force spreading their side view of this topic. Scientists have not done much to assuage the public’s distrust. How much do we really understand about these foods?

Just as a quick fact it’s interesting to note that the three most common GE crops that are grown in North America are Corn, Canola and Soy. A common statistic that is thrown around by both sides is that 60-70% of foods contain GE ingredients. Look at most of the foods that you eat, you’ll find they contain either corn or canola oil. Sometimes this amount is quite small, but there still there.

On the other side of the coin there has been a great upswing in the market for “Organic” products. Mainly based upon a false impression that natural = safe. As one quick example of this, it is still common up here for school kids to go out and visit farms in rural communities. On one such occasion my supervisor was supervising one of these trips. At the end of the tour the kids were treated to some cider. For those of you who aren’t aware cider is often made using apples that … have gone a bit off. This also includes apples that have fallen off the tree. Now think, what do many farms use for fertilizer? Manure. What can manure contain, E. Coli, Enterobacter, Salmonella and a whole legion of enteropthogens. Now normally cider is pasteurized, so this minimizes the chance on infection, but on many organic products shun this as “unnatural”. It just so happens that this farm was one of them.

When the cider was served my supervisor was relieved to see it was served hot. She went to the host afterwards and asked her if they heated the cider to minimize the chance of pathogens harming the kid. The host’s response to this was, “Oh all our cider is natural. I just find that after a few days it starts to smell funny and when I heat it up it goes away.” The fact that a person could not recognize bacterial growth is bad enough; the fact that there is this mystical sense of purity around our food is genuinely frightening.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Replies:

Aaron: Dustbuster? We must be thinking about different tasers here. The ones that I am referring to are about the size of a standard issue pistol. They are a bit wider at the front, but were designed to be about the same size as a pistol, I don’t know about the weight however. I don’t think that they would fit in the cuff of your coat; they were designed to be worn in place of a standard sidearm. I think I know the old tasers you are thinking of however. Were they large square shaped devices?

“Because we're not really civilized, we're just animals pretending.” – Can we not aspire to be more than just what we are.

“That's a rather personal question, isn't it? ; )” - Not really the place for it … but if you’re interested… (Just kidding).

“Speak standard you dirty Metric user”- ***Begin Tirade*** Arghhhh! You have hit upon one of my biggest peeves. I AM SPEAKING THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD!!!!!!!! America is the only country left that still uses the old imperial system of measurement as the official unit of measure. Even England has changed over officially (the change is still progressing, but they are at least taking steps). As a scientist I refuse to use any system other than that used by the international community. I know my mass in kg, I know my height in m and I measure my volumes in L and, horror of horrors, the three can be easily converted! The funny thing is that the metric system is infiltrating you culture as we speak; your military has used metric measurements for decades, your scientists as well. We will rule you eventually… resistance is futile. Bwahahahaha! ***End Tirade***

Ahem … sorry about that. As to the Quebec situation, the fires of separatism have dimmed for now. I don’t think an armed conflict is in the near future. If they do start a war we have plenty of doughnuts to throw, unfortunately they will inevitably retaliate with poutine. It will be a situation of M.A.C. (Mutually Assured Coronary).

Josh: “Too many Liberals”- Just think the Liberals are considered right of centre here. On the other hand we have the alternatives.

Canadian Alliance: Began its political life from the Reform party, then changed its name to the Canadian Alliance Reform Party (CARP); didn’t like that and became the Canadian Reform Alliance Party (CRAP). Finally they decided on the Canadian Alliance. They were a party that was supposed to bridge the gap between the grassroots Prairie Provinces (Alberta and Saskatchewan) and the central Canadian provinces (Ontario and Quebec). The Prairies are much like your southern states are considered, conservative, religious and very much into family values. Now as the seats in our parliament are doled out in accordance with population, and as the entire population of the Prairie Provinces can fit inside of the Greater Toronto Area alone. Winning Ontario and Quebec is essential to gaining control in parliament. Now Ontario is quite a tolerant province and for the most part we try to show equality. So in order to win in Ontario you need to field a moderate candidate right. The alliance picks a Bible-thumping, right wing nut bar. They are crushed in the next federal election.

Progressive Conservatives: An oxymoron if I ever herd one. This party equals the following: Rich, right-wing corporate puppets. They also spawned the great Satan, Brian Mulroney. They were also crushed in the last election.

New Democrat Party: Left Wing Socialists. They believe that throwing money at a problem will fix anything. They then scratch their heads when whey run out of money and say, “Where did it go?” They were also crushed in the last election.

PQ: Quebec party. Separatists. Only runs in Quebec. Can’t win, not enough possible seats.

In closing we don’t have a great deal of choice in political parties. Their all evil, we just vote in the least evil. At least Chretien is leaving.

Goodnight.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, February 14, 2003 10:35:47 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

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Dezi
Friday, February 14, 2003 09:49:07 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Accursed relapse. Although, since it occurred while I was at the gym, I now have evidence that exercise is bad for you. Now…the only question is, should I be good, or evil. Hmm….

Oh yes, for anyone really paranoid, you should looking into getting a “high-rise survival package including:
1 Escape Parachute: Executive-Chute
1 Smoke Hood: Evac-U8
1 NBC Protective Suit: Tyvek F
1 Package of No-Rad Potassium Iodide
1 Pair of Nitrile Gloves + Booties
1 Flash Light 2 D
Duct Tape
All yours for $975.00 from the fine folks at Safer America (http://saferamerica.com)
No, I do not get kickback for these people, I just think it’s funny.

The oft-awaited replies:

Yggdrasil> Thank you for your concern. Hopefully this thrice accursed relapse will end soon.
Anyway, time to play.
<Wishful thinking I know, but not a complete impossibility>Well, I think it would be. As long as the military has small arms, someone can steal, liberate, and/or kife said arms. Actually, a good source of “hot” weaponry is stolen from the police departments and patrol cars. Not to mention the proliferation of information on making cheap firearms from ordinary equipment. I’ve seen some books on making some pretty lethal weapons with a decently equipped machine shop. Gun bans generally only keep weapons from those people that obey the law. People that break the law, by definition, don’t follow the law, and, if the desire to, will obtain firearms.
<why not a modern taser> I’ve looked at them. I don’t like them for the following reasons:
1) The ranged models generally don’t have the strength to get the darts though thick clothing and are rendered useless by a good leather jacket, something a pistol is not. I have seen people shrug off a handheld tazer hit. It doesn’t happen often, but if your life is in danger, I want something with near perfect reliability. I’ve never heard of someone shrugging off a .45 hollowpoint. I imagine it could happen if the assailant was sufficiently doped up, but then your tazer isn’t worth anything either.
2) You can’t practice with a tazer cheaply. The cheapest models require you to ship it back to the factory after a single use. The more expensive models have replacements that cost thirty bucks or so (US). With my pistol I can spend $30 and train with my weapon for an entire afternoon. This way I’m much more proficient and comfortable with the weapon and less apt to inadvertently shoot someone else.
3)Tazers lack a good intimidation factor. The ranged models look like something you picked up at a Star Trek convention. If I draw my pistol, it’s immediate recognition that I am holding a potentially lethal weapon and can account for numerous lives, if need be. In the vast majority of self-defense cases, that is the deciding factor; the assailant realized he is facing an armed victim that can legally use lethal force to defend him/herself and decides either to surrender, or that he’s needed elsewhere.
4) Finally. Why would I want to carry with me say, a can of pepper spray, and/or a tazer, and still not be sure that I’ll be able to stop an attacker and knowing I’ll not be able to stop multiple attackers (gangs anyone?) when I can carry a pistol and be able to defend myself decisively against many assailants if the need arises.
Actually both tazers and ASP batons are mostly legal in the US. There are areas where the population is completely disarmed (DC, where you have to register pepper spray) but are legal by and large.
Interestingly enough, up until about a year or so ago, my primary weapon was a paintball pistol I got from a friend. Carried 9 paintballs and was about the size of a regular pistol. I used a hypodermic to suck out the paint and replace it with pure capsaicin extract. That got used once to dehabiliting (sp?) effect. Three paintball at close range in the face.
That was until my state decided to make the carrying of charged paintball weapons a crime, so I decided to not play with tazers and such after looking at them and went with a good pistol.
<minor crime is skewing many of the statistics> I wasn’t aware that assault with a deadly weapon was a “minor crime”. Weren’t you just saying in a previous post how easy it is to inadvertently strike a major artery? The age of a criminal is of little relevance to me. In fact, most of the gun deaths in the US are between 11-14. Why? Kids in gangs, especially in the inner city, shooting each other. I believe one of the leading causes of death among black males in the US is homicide. Not that this is at all a good thing, just that gang wars in the inner city claim a lot of lives, most of them young teenagers.
<Any thoughts that you might have would be appreciated> Honestly, I don’t. It might be due to the prevalence of gangs in the cities (see above).
However. I would point out that legal gun owners kill about 2,000 people a year (I’ll add that it’s usually self defense, as the number of legal gun owners that have their permits revoked each year is very small, around 100 I think.) So the real question is, why do people that shouldn’t have guns in the first place, keep killing people. And, would removing guns from the hands of people that take the time to legally acquire their weapons change that at all.
I doubt it.
<you are definitely less forgiving than I> This is true, but I generally try to discourage lawless behavior rather than rewarding it. It seems to work out better in the long run.
In fact, it’s also illegal to beat someone once they’re no longer a threat. That’s why I find it a good idea to get as much of a beatin’ in while I can.
<Life decisions>I can see this is our major point of contention. I don’t believe anyone has a right to my property or my life. Period. I may give them access to it, or dispose of my right to it though a contract of some sort, be it a sale, or enlisting for military duty etc., but no one has the right to take it from me by force. If an individual decides to forgo entering a legal contract with me, and decides to abscond with my property, or threaten to take my life as a means to take my property, I reserve the right to defend both my property and my life to the best of my ability. Currently, that ability includes the right to use lethal force, if warranted.
You’re right, your life is yours to with as you will, as is mine, as is everyone else’s. However, I place a higher value on my life then another’s. Quite frankly, what do I care for your life? Nothing at all. If you disappeared tomorrow, do I care? Not really. Same thing goes with more or less everyone here. Much the same for my friends. I would be upset, certainly, as I attach greater value to their lives then, say, the average guy on the street, and an even greater value to the lives of my family. However, my life is still the most valued of them all as it is the sum total of everything I am, have been and will be. Therefore, in a kill or be killed situation, it is my life, being of the highest value, that is worth more to me than the value of someone I don’t know, nor care about.
<but I still feel safe without a gun, why can’t you> On the contrary, I feel quite safe with a firearm. What concerns me is the people that are threatened by people bigger and stronger than they are. If you remove firearms, a simple, easily concealed device, generally unfailingly reliable, an simple to use, you are left with a dominion of strong over the weak. How is a woman about your size with no martial arts training supposed to defend herself against a rapist a foot (30 cm or so) taller and outweighing her by a hundred pounds? Especially if he has a knife or a club. They are the victims I loose sleep over whenever someone says “ban all handguns”. You’ve taken the ability for the weakest members of society to defend themselves against the strongest. I assume you read the previous link about the rapist in Pittsburgh, PA. He raped 6 defenseless people, just because he was bigger than they were. He was not stopped by the police, he was stopped by another woman who erased the physical difference between them with a .38 pistol. That is why I oppose gun control. Not for me, but for people like my younger sister, my female friends and other law abiding citizens that would not be able to match a large criminals physically prowess, but should not have to worry about being raped, robbed or killed.

Mooncat> Very eloquently said. Thank you.

DPH><So do I> We should form an alliance and march our t-cells forth in an coalition to crush the invading bacteria! We could call it the Coalition for Life In Two Organizations of Rationally Individual Structures (CLITORIS)
<actual quote from Conspiracy Theorist> You have baffled me.

Josh><That is definitely the first time I've heard of such behavior>Was a first for me.
<How about just golfer deaths> Don’t wave a metal rod in the air while standing under a tree in a thunderstorm. Also, God hates plaid
<Only if you all band together coherently> Vive la republic! (acck! French!)

Revel>Hmm.. not sure if that was a crack against me or not…but I choose to not take it as such, generally because I dislike those people too.

Bud-Claire><Are you worried that they might be suicidal>No, it was just a convenient excuse to make a joke about Berkley.
<So, we should kill anyone who might be even remotely dangerous> Where did you pull that from? I was saying if he let someone go who had shown that he was capable of violence and had an intent to harm another, than shouldn’t his moral code have something to say about the next person that violent individual harmed?
If I know that someone is going to commit a crime, don’t I have a obligation to inform authorities so that crime, particularly if it’s a violent crime, can be prevented? Around here we call that “accessory after the fact”
<are you criticizing him for not having the guy arrested, or for not killing him?> Not having him arrested. Since he did, in fact, have the guy arrested, the point is moot. I’m all for non-lethal means, but I also like to be able to, as a last resort, apply lethal means to stop a criminal.
 I don’t think anyone should value his life over another persons. I don’t think anyone should have the means to take another person’s life as easily as a gun makes it, so all guns should be banned. So they take away my guns, and I’m defenseless. Now I cannot make the decision whether to take the life of an armed assailant trying to kill me with his illegal firearm, as I am a law-abiding citizen.
If he does not wish to kill another for any reason, that’s perfectly fine. But why should his beliefs cause me to not be able to exercise that option?
<_Some_ of us were amused by the story.> I’ll nominate him for a Oscar.
<There are people who would disagree with him, so obviously he's wrong.>So did you even *read* the articles at the links in question? All I was pointing out was a case wherein two men robbed, tortured and then mercilessly killed seven people because they could not defend themselves, and one case where a man who raped six woman was stopped by a judicious use of lethal force.

Aaron> Good points. Mind if I use some of them?

There may be misspelling and other typos in the above…fsck it. I’m going to get some soup.

Hyperion
Friday, February 14, 2003 09:31:18 PM
IP: 151.199.238.32

Everyone who commented that there were more Yankee-ish places then New York> From where I sit, Yankeeland is any place above the Mason-Dixon line. ; )

Josh> <<How can you tell that was a moment?>> I hit return six times. <<But just knowing how to effectively use a gun makes me feel safer, since I'm not yet qualified to break bricks with my bare hands.>> Amen. That reminds me of something the Punisher said to Spider-man once: "All life is precious. That's great, coming from a guy who can bend steel in his bare hands. But what do the rest of us do?" It's important to keep sight of that, or you'll end up like Wolfwood.

Spacebabie> <<<<>>Sad to say People in Florida don't know how to drive in the rain>> Hell, Texans can't drive down a flat, straight road in bright sunshine without having a wreck every half mile...

Spike> Good luck with the treatment.

Yggdrasil> <<Criminals will always have guns: Not if the manufacture of these items and their ammunition is banned. It will take a while, but without a supply and with the items destroyed as they are recovered they will become the rarity.>> Bulls**t. The genie is out of the bottle and it's *never* going back in. We can't even keep *nukes*, something huge and complex and expensive and time-consuming from proliferating, and you think a world-wide ban on guns is even remotely possible? If the government takes ‘em, we'll build more. And land-mines, mortars, simple rockets, and all the other happy fun stuff in the Anarchist's Handbook. As long as there are people who can build a Mac-10 from scratch in their basement, there will be guns.

<<If you feel the need for ranged protection, why not a modern taser.>> I'd like to see you carry one of those around comfortably for even a day. Do you have any idea how big those things are? I refuse to see why I should drag around something almost the size and shape of a dustbuster when there are numerous firearms that can be carried comfortably in the cuff of my trenchcoat.

<<The difference in our moral outlook arises from the fact that I do not see myself as more deserving of life than anyone else. We are all on equal footing.>> Ah, but as Edgler Vess once said, "If you say all life is equally precious, I say all life is equally worthless, and the only difference between squashing a bug and killing a six year-old girl is how much fun it is." Which is a bit of an exaggeration, but for me, there's me, a small number of people that I care about, and beyond that... Not only will I not take a bullet for you, but if you come at me with a knife, I'm putting one (or more) in you.

<> Because we're not really civilized, we're just animals pretending. On a deep biological level, we're programmed to hunt, and fight, and kill each other in territorial disputes. Demona wasn't really that crazy you know.

<<Why is it not possible to feel safe without firearms?>> Oh, it is... Until ill-intentioned people who *do* have them show up.

<<Would you like to know how big I am?>> That's a rather personal question, isn't it? ; )

<<I'm 165cm, 64kg.>> Speak standard you dirty Metric user! ; )

<<I'm quite below average for a male, but I still feel safe without a gun, why can't you.>> I wasn't hugged enough as a child... But seriously, I think it's a cultural thing, something about the way our respective countries came of age. America achieved independence 250-odd years ago via armed insurrection. You guys peacefully left Great Britain's skirts in, what, 1948? We settled a fundamental constitutional question by killing half a million men. Somehow, I don't think the Québécois thing will come to that. Plus, there's the whole Western myth, of carving a nation out of the wilderness. (With guns) Go watch Gangs of New York. (I know it's full of historical inaccuracies, yes, and outright lies, but we're talking about myth...) That's how we see ourselves: A nation built on, with, and through violence.

I wish Lain was here. I'm sure, if nothing else, she'd get a kick out of this.

Later.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, February 14, 2003 06:32:59 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

Gside> <>
You'd blow up Dirk? Besides, wasn't that Thor that Trillian met at that party? Did he really seem like the same guy?

<<Makes one wish they'd broadcast Hikaru No Go over here.>>
*L* That show scares me. I can't believe that someone actually made a show about a game. That's just wrong.

<<Makes one wonder why classes tend to only contain a third of the registered students.>>
Oversleeping? I hate it when I wake up confused, because it can't possibly be the time that my alarm clock says that it is. "10:00? It can't be-- oh, shit... I missed class again."

<<One of my roomies kept a count of one person's daily stupidities. I believe the record was 9.>>
Do redundant stupidities count? Like things that they do every day? Cuz my roommate doesn't use soap when she washes her dishes...

<<And Lady Mystic approves of both of them being in the harem?>>
Maybe she's a closet mormon.
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DPH> <<Since I made less than $3,000 last year, I can be claimed as a dependent.>>
Since you made less than $3000 last year, you _are_ dependent... It's just a question of whether or not you're admitting it. :P
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Dezi> << My boyfriend's mom isnt claiming him this year for the first time so he can get some more $$ back on taxes.>>
Um... isn't the question generally "_can_ you be claimed as a dependent" not "_are_ you"?
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Josh> <<Studying is much harder and more nerve-wracking then just going to class.>>
Not for me... Short attention span. It's a lot easier to just read the book.

<<Have you ever woken up laughing?>>
I have a friend who used to laugh in her sleep. I would have strangled her for waking me up, if I hadn't been so confused.

<>
He did do it. You must have missed "Fool For Love". (Or not seen it many, many times due to its always being voted into the marathon...)

<<All women say that. Few are. Women can barely tolerate each other, how can they deal with men?>>
No, all women are tolerant... about _some_ things. And really, really _not_ tolerant about others. But the "things" in question vary from person to person. So, she may well be tolerant about... whatever she was talking about. But maybe not.

<<My errant behavior is approved! Joy!>>
Just make sure you miss the toes, cuz that would be icky.
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Hyperion> <<Mainly because it makes me question my immortality.>>
*L*

<<So N. Korea has a missile that can hit the West Coast.>>
Who cares? They're a tiny little country with one damned missile, we're a great big country with lots and lots of missiles. Are you worried that they might be suicidal?

<<What exactly does your moral belief say about the next victim your erstwhile thug attacked?>>
So, we should kill anyone who might be even remotely dangerous? There goes the entire human race.

<>
I'm a little unclear... are you criticizing him for not having the guy arrested, or for not killing him? Your ranting seems a little unfocused. (Although that's probably included in the definition of ranting, actually.)

<<I would really have much less of a problem with your entire argument if only, by your pacifist beliefs and desire to ban handguns, you weren’t already making decisions about how little my life and the lives of others, are worth to you.>>
I fail to see how his beliefs alone are making any decisions for you. Or was that a logical AND?

<<So you deliberately omitted facts to make yourself look like a total putz...interesting.>>
_Some_ of us were amused by the story.

<<Here’s seven people that will probably disagree with you. If they weren’t dead.>>
Oh, well, he _must_ be wrong, then. There are people who would disagree with him, so obviously he's wrong.
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Spacebabie> <<So technically I’m still innocent.>>
I don't think that word means what you think it means. ;)
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Fire Storm> <<Even you would admit that having your way with a virgin can be refreshing, eh?>>
So, you find the lack of criticism of your skills to be refreshing?

<<No, I was actually thinking E (Speed of light)>>
That's c.
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Tony Elliot> <<All we need to do is send the crooks through rigorous philosophy courses so they can all think like you. That should solve all our problems.>>
Or their brains will turn to mush, which is also good. Vegetables harm no one. ;)
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Niamhgold> <<Flame Wars and Communication...>>
I've never seen those in the same sentence before. Freaky.
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Gabriel> <<Maybe Yggsdrasil, by his actions, CHANGED that criminal's life.>>
At the very least, he was very confused, which is always a good thing. ;)
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Yggdrasil> <<It’s not that scary people give it a try you might like it.>>
Punctuation isn't that scary, either. Try it. :P
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Dezi> <<My idea of a real good prank is putting glow sticks into helium balloons to stage a UFO hoax and totally freak out the town drunks.>>
*awed*
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Taleweaver> <<While I think they make a good couple, Fred wasn't treating him right.The guy was willing to kill for her and she treats him like dirt.>>
I don't remember her treating him like dirt. I do, however, remember him being massively insecure about the differences in their IQs. I like them, but they definitely have some things to work out. And now is obviously not the time for it.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, February 14, 2003 05:55:12 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

I'd think that if there was a gargoyle in the London Clan named Cadbury he'd be an albino rabbit. *Clucks like a chicken 3 times* XD
Aria_The_Insane
Friday, February 14, 2003 05:50:15 PM
IP: 216.113.210.170

Happy valentines day folks. This Vday is better than last years…A box of Godiva from Revel instead of needle in my cat. 100 times better.

I hope my brother’s roomate feels better soon. Wednesday She had a headache and collapsed at work. Yesterday she went home early cause she was feeling fluish.

I sent Revel some Colored pencils and I wrote a poem

WARNING those of you have a stomach weakness against romantic sap…please skip ahead.

The poem is called Two Roses.
The yellow rose under the glow of the single star whispered to the wind
It wanted to be with the rose that it loved no matter the distance.
It’s special fragrance flavored the breeze as it blew past its petals
“Tell my sweet flower that I love her.”

The White rose near the citrus trees brightened from the wind.
She felt the sweet fragrance from her love
Despite the distance it traveled she felt closer because of him
“Someday we shall be together and never grow apart.”

One day sharp scissors cut the white rose from it’s bush
“I cannot die, not away from my love.”
It wept dew drops a it was carried from it’s home
Once it was placed in a vase it became bright as the sun

For in the vase was the white rose, his true love.
She was cut from her home too and thought they would never meet
But now they were together in the vase by the window
Their love became stronger and new roots grew between them.
Connecting them where the lived forever because of their love

********Spoilers for Angel******
My guess is Cordy really HATES Lilah. I guess she felt that she had to ellimnate all evil and she being last member of Wolfram and Hart she had to kill her some way.

Which is a shame cause I liked Lilah.

I hope The Beast didn’t go after W&H members that quit like Lindsey.
***********Spoilers End************

Replies:

Dezi<<<A maroon chenelle blankey and a reaaaly soft stuffed grey puppy.>>>I don’t know about guys…Valentines is usually tricky with trending to find a guy a gift. I sent Revel some fancy coloring pencils, I believe they were the same kind Spike got for Christmas.

Tony Elliot<<<didn’t know that human Demona’s eyes glowed. Maybe this is just an inconsistency>>>I think Greg W mentioned it was a goof. I thought that the sun had just set at the time.

Leo<<<What's wrong with this picture?>>>All we are saying is give Mercedes a chance? I saw something similar in a Zit’s strip recently.

Gside<<>>Open that hole you put food in.<<<Depends on the curse. It might get very descriptive, and there are also pools like the yaazuniichuan and maoniichuan.>>>and they are??? Explain it too someone who doesn’t watch Ranma.

Josh<<<Finally finished both my FEM and programming assignments>>>Are the other programs MALE?<<<but on the other hand I nailed all her technical questions.>>>So were the technical questions disappointed?<<>>Me too<<<It worries me that some day he might be management.>>>I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens.<<<Don't ever say that again.>>>Tall drink of Texas Beef <<<had to write an essay on how nails work>>>That had to have been short.

Firestorm<<<Laugh >>>I’m picturing Goliath and Hudson with the same expressions they had after Vinnie pied Goliath.

Todd>>>That wasn’t me…That was Niahmgold…must the light blue font….

Spike>>>That is a beautiful picture.

Hyperion<<>>You and me both. I hate those amendment hating, tree hugging, tofu eating Barbara Streisand loving UBERLIBERALS. I also can’t stand those holier than though, redneck, heartless Rush loving UBERCONSERVATIVES…I can’t stand people who so extreme that they won’t listen to one side or try to be fair minded.

DPH<<<Too bad, Lain isn't around to disaprove it.>>>That’s because it’s true.

Spike<<<I'm starting a new cold laser therapy for my carpal tunnel.>>>HUG! I hope it works. You will be in my thoughts.

Happy Valentines day folks.
:::Gives Revel a Big KISS:::

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, February 14, 2003 01:27:54 PM
IP: 67.28.70.192

Spike: Best of luck with the laser therapy. If it works, please let me know, as I'm sure carpal tunnel is in my future as a respectable computer geek ;-)
Josh
Friday, February 14, 2003 01:16:50 PM
IP: 64.170.152.191

Spike: I, too, wish you best of luck with the therapy. I'm still putting off scheduling my new batch for my tendonitis, but truly, ultrasonic therapy, ionto, and all of that works wonders, if you keep up the weightbearing exercises. ::hugs::

Off to see Daredevil, whether anyone comes with me or not! ;)
Niamhgold
Friday, February 14, 2003 01:14:44 PM
IP: 209.143.83.90

Spike> Thank you again. I hope you don't mind me asking these questions. Maybe I should keep my mouth shut about this. I'm afraid that this might hurt my chances with TGS. *blushes*

Anyway, I know how it feels about getting therapy on my hands. Remember when I had the surgeries on my right wrist with the cist? It maybe not as bad as your carpal tunnel but I know exactly how you feel. I remember a physical therapy session where they put this machine on my wrist with some gel on it and it started to warm up and vibrate, it was fine for about ten minutes but then I had a sharp pain up my arm because of the machine.

*hugs* Hope you have better luck with it than my therapy memories.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Friday, February 14, 2003 12:25:37 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Niamhgold: <Maude Flanders is knocked off a racetrack grandstand after being hit in the face with a flying t-shirt and falls to her untimely death>
Only in the Simpsons does someone die like that!

Gside: <prefer melamine iced particleboard>
Bad aftertaste, in my opinion!
<e is dimensionless. Perhaps you're thinking of e-, which would be in Coulombs>
No, I was actually thinking E (Speed of light)
<But many of the quality harems can generate a good orgy>
True, true... but, for some reason, LM just doesn't like the idea of a threesome with her sister. Go figure!
<Which reminds me, am I due to bring the jalepeno poppers to the next one?>
Yeah, as long as Imzadi brings the hot wings.

Imzadi: <Sounds suspiciously like you're trying to get us to do your work for you>
More like my bosses job. I want a stable schedule, dang it! The best schedule he came up with is a 13 week schedule, but then there are still GAPING Goatse-sized problems with it.
<"2x4's. Betcha can't eat just one.">
Now in scoop shape!

Saddam: I WILL NOT DISARM!
binLaden: All infidels shall die!
Bush: We're going to war!
Me: Hey, can't we all just come over to my place, we'll go out, pick up some hotties, and settle this while they all give us blow jobs?
Saddam: Ok. Friends, everyone?
<GASP!>
I'll probally take a second look at them
<Just one. But one of EVERYTHING>
Oh. That's good. I've already been doing that.
<Twice as much whining, twice as many needs>
Three times as much ignoring them
<One word for you: HALO>
Yeah, that's the kicker. EMULATOR, where are you?
<What good would that do? You'd still be stuck in space.>
But at least you would have a place to hang, some munchies and some air

Todd: <Well, today is Valentine's Day. I wonder how the various couples and near-couples in "TGS: Gargoyles" and "TGS: Pendragon" would observe that particular day.>
Well, during the day, the gargoyle couples would be in stone, Elisa may be working, Fox and David would also wait until night, Demona would buy and then close a greeting card factory!

Well, I got my (infected) ingrown toenails removed, so I am dreading the pain killers wearing off. But I still gotta work tonight.
Fire Storm
Friday, February 14, 2003 12:00:13 PM
IP: 66.72.178.1

Heather>>

>>>If I can, is Brock from a rookery before Leo's or Michael's?
Yes, Brock is a clan elder and was an adult when Michael was born. He was there at the estate during World War II.

>>Is Boz, Perry, Amanda, and Weller part of Michael's rookery ?
Perry and Weller are part of Michael's rookery. Boz is one rookery older and Amanda is Brock's rookery sister.

Good luck on making the TGS art staff -- I know I enjoyed illustrating TGS when I was there.

Cross your fingers for me ... I'm starting a new cold laser therapy for my carpal tunnel. It's a non-invasive procedure that stimulates the tissue around the affected nerve cluster to reduce swelling and increase circulation. I've already been able to see some improvement in my left hand so I'm very hopeful!
Spike
Friday, February 14, 2003 08:03:51 AM
IP: 64.216.239.194

HEATHER - Well, it's not so much that "it's time for a change" in itself, but the fact that the London clan was in danger of upstaging Arthur and his companions, who were supposed to be the central figures in "Pendragon". It's an understandable trend, since most of the folks at TGS are primarily "Gargoyles" fans over King Arthur fans, and so would be more attracted to a series focused around the London gargoyles to one focused on Arthur and his modern-day knights. Nevertheless, I felt that it was wise to shift the focus back where it belonged; the series, after all, is titled "Pendragon" rather than "Gargoyles UK".

By the way, it currently looks as though "Pendragon" will be the next series to run on TGS rather than "Bad Guys" (mainly because "Pendragon" is much further along; almost all of the episodes have been written, and they're just beginning to be put through Edits).

Well, today is Valentine's Day. I wonder how the various couples and near-couples in "TGS: Gargoyles" and "TGS: Pendragon" would observe that particular day.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, February 14, 2003 07:39:17 AM
IP: 65.56.174.47

Argh, so frustrating. I had a huge argument with the TA for my programming class. Basically, he was suggesting that a constructor method should act as the set method if an object with that name already exists. I think calling the constructor method twice should re-initialize that object. Three professional programmers agree with me. I'd better be right. Otherwise, the project is done.

I had to write an essay on how nails work and how the fail for my renaissance engineering class. Silly humanities courses.

If anyone is interested, Comedy Central is showing both Dilbert and CLERKS(!!!) on its late night schedules. Not really sure when, it seems to rotate. This week it was wednesday, last week it was sunday. Check your listings. AND WATCH THESE SHOWS!

Mooncat: <<remember how Spike got his leather jacket?>>: Nope. But that's okay. I'll believe you anyway.

Revel: <<she is my Spacie-chan and will say what she likes>>: That's nice. <<Something about the Germans>>: Huh? <<Thanks for the compliment my beautiful, brown-eyed Sunshine. *smooch*>>: I think I'm gonna be sick.

Fire Storm: <<It involves making a schedule>>: Sounds suspiciously like you're trying to get us to do your work for you ;-) <<Can't get enough!>>: "2x4's. Betcha can't eat just one." <<Oral sex makes up for a lot of things>>: I was just saying that earlier today. <<From what I saw of the Zelda's, I wasn't impressed>>: GASP! <<just one of each data item?>>: Just one. But one of EVERYTHING. <<Metric (KM/s) or standard (Miles/s) >>: e does not change with units. <<Two IS better than one>>: Twice as much whining, twice as many needs. <>: One word for you: HALO. <<Worst comes to worst, take over the ISS>>: What good would that do? You'd still be stuck in space.

Taleweaver: <<Clone High USA>>: I love how the Marilyn Manson guy is voiced by the man himself 8-) <<she's been trotting out the whole season>>: Last 5 seasons, to be exact. <<The guy was willing to kill for her and she treats him like dirt>>: They're both cracked. <<looking back it explains a lot>>: Such as...?

Hyperion: <<you deliberately omitted facts to make yourself look like a total putz>>: That is definitely the first time I've heard of such behavior. <<golf club deaths>>: How about just golfer deaths? <<Hey! Josh! Don’t forget to leave>>: Remind me again later. Much later. <<There are 80 million weapons owners in the us. We can take ‘em>>: Only if you all band together coherently. And don't lose to the armed forces.

Yggdrasil: <<shooting someone in the foot wouldn't be too bad>>: My errant behavior is approved! Joy! <<if the manufacture of these items and their ammunition is banned. It will take a while, but without a supply and with the items destroyed as they are recovered they will become the rarity. Wishful thinking I know, but not a complete impossibility>>: This is completely retarded. As long as guns are manufactured for the military, they can find their way into criminals' hands. <<A broken jaw, caused by a weapon (an illegal one at that) would have had me up on assault charges.>>: Too many liberals. <<Why is it not possible to feel safe without firearms?>>: Someone feeling safe is a function of many things. But just knowing how to effectively use a gun makes me feel safer, since I'm not yet qualified to break bricks with my bare hands.

Gside: <<What about toys?>>: What part of THREE was confusing? <<as a good amount of partiles are generated and moved away very fast>>: Except that sound is caused by compression waves of those particles. <<Next you'll say it's odd that I know pi to 10 decimals>>: It is.

DPH: <<How will you deal with those vulnerable spots that you just created?>>: Armed guards. Or force fields. <<Only 3 years have passed, not enough time for Demona to reform>>: Agreed.

125. Should I actually decide to kill the hero in an elaborate escape-proof deathtrap room (water filling up, sand pouring down, walls converging, etc.) I will not leave him alone five to ten minutes prior to "imminent" death, but will instead (finding a vantage point or monitoring camera) stick around and enjoy watching my adversary's demise.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, February 14, 2003 02:28:15 AM
IP: 66.125.229.134

*Walks in slowly and realizes he is no state for arguments or riddles*

Revel, Imzadi - Thanks for wishing me well. I'm not sure if I am doing better today.

I went to the chiropractor today. I couldn't tell much difference today after my visit, but it could be because the normal guy wasn't there this time.

Hyperion - <apparently the French Embassy is "under siege" from irate Americans that are incensed at their opposition to a) the war and b) helping on of our allies.
Most common refrain "If it weren’t for our help, you'd be speaking German!" No word yet if they've surrendered.> *Starts laughing*

Imzadi - <They don't know. If they did, they would have posted it.> Thank you very much. <122. The gun turrets on my fortress will not rotate enough so that they may direct fire inward or at each other.> How will you deal with those vulnerable spots that you just created?

Hyperion - <Conspiracy Theorist: Did you or did you not participate in awakening the Elder Gods of the Sunken City of R’yleh?> For a moment there, I thought you had an actual quote from Conspiracy Theorist. I wonder if "they" finally found Conspiracy Theorist.

Spacebabie - <If Lain could part herself from Gunjack for five minutes.> Interesting theory. Too bad, Lain isn't around to disprove it. <Around the early 1800’s some teachers complained about the dumbing down the classrooms because students were using their own slate boards and chalk…and as time went by it progressed to paper, different kinds of pencils, pens all the way up to calculators.> There's a big difference there. You still had to do the basic math, even if it's on your own paper, nothing changed except you could learn at your own pace and do problems at your own pace instead of keeping up with the teacher. That was a significant improvement.

Anyways, I decided to write a program to create data to confirm (or deny) things that my bus stats teacher said my stats of populations and samples.

Death Hawk - <I've been visiting this web site for months now, how long do we have to waite before new episodes are posted?> Not to argue with you, but Timedancer Season 4 was released from August 2002 through November 2002.

Hyperion - So do I.

Imzadi - <I've heard TGS writers say that it was the
worst thing to ever happen to TGS.> *decides to stupidly argue a point* In general, people don't reform overnight. As somebody recently reminded me, even by the end Gargoyles Season 4, it's not been that much time. The events of Hunter's Moon were on October 22-26, 1996. At that time, Demona was attempting to wipe out all of humanity. The events of Unions occur towards the end of November 1999. Only 3 years have passed, not enough time for Demona to reform. <yes> The financial aid person I talked to over the phone said it didn't and I don't believe the person. Afterall, isn't Congress trying to make sure federal financial aid for college only goes to those who really need it? If income does NOT effect federal grant money, why do I have to turn in a copy of my income tax return? Student A is a dependent and Student B is not a dependent. Without any more information, I would award Student B more money just because Student B has less resources available.

Dezi - <hit the wrong key and almost typed DOH.> That's also unacceptable.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, February 14, 2003 12:56:00 AM
IP: 204.94.193.67

Imzadi> <<men only want three things: food, sex, sleep>>: What about toys?
<<In star trek they carry sound too>>: I can understand being able to hear explosions in space, as a good amount of partiles are generated and moved away very fast. It's then a question of the proper time delay.
<<only the architecture majors have classes longer than 3 hours>>: The late classes here tend to be designed for non matriculating students, and they don't live on campus, so they cram them together to reduce commute.
<<On the toilet perhaps>>: Hence the joke.
<<Breathe through your mouth, retard>>: Still the point is, there isn't enough oxygen to generate a sufficient amound of energy.
<<People should not know such things>>: Next you'll say it's odd that I know pi to 10 decimals.

Fire Storm> <<Plywood! Can't get enough>>: I prefer melamine iced particleboard.
<<Metric (KM/s) or standard (Miles/s)>>: e is dimensionless. Perhaps you're thinking of e-, which would be in Coulombs.
<<More of a harem than an orgy>>: But many of the quality harems can generate a good orgy.
<<the November evil meeting>>: Which reminds me, am I due to bring the jalepeno poppers to the next one?

Leo> <<all these hap-hap-happy day "Lawrence Welk" type tunes stuck in my head>>: I've got a few ditting on one of my mp3 discs. Maybe I should post one next time. I haven't been able to get any Kay Kaiser, though.

Yggdrasil> <>: It's how we started our civilisation. It got us that far, so we decided it was a good thing.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, February 14, 2003 12:14:34 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Yggdrasil--[I just can�t understand why violence is so engrained in our civilisation]

Because sometimes violence IS the answer. *^_^*

The trick is being able to use one's capacity for violence productively, and to not let violence use you. The ability to use violence against another is one deterrent to aggression from another person. The threat of violence or of an equal response to violence is sometimes what makess the difference between a free nation, and a conquored one.

Mooncat
Mooncat
Friday, February 14, 2003 12:02:17 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Greetings;

Josh: Sorry about the last post, there were supposed to be some smiley faces in my reply, my word processor cut them out. Sorry it was supposed to be more light-hearted than it read.

On another note, shooting someone in the foot wouldn't be too bad. You can have your fun...just play nice. :-)

Hyperion: Good to heat that your feeling better. Now on with the show ;-)

No real debate material today, I spent my day in the lab and didn’t have much time to collect my thoughts so I’ll just reply to your immediate comments. On another note you might want to check out some of the references that I provided Tony Elliot.

“They” they refers to any opponent, not just criminals.

Criminals will always have guns: Not if the manufacture of these items and their ammunition is banned. It will take a while, but without a supply and with the items destroyed as they are recovered they will become the rarity. Wishful thinking I know, but not a complete impossibility.

If you feel the need for ranged protection, why not a modern taser. Modern stun guns can completely immobilize even the largest opponent (tested up to 140kg), thus permitting escape. To add the icing onto the cake, they don’t even interfere with pacemakers, so if you happen to hit a geriatric you need not worry. I realize that they don’t have a huge clip (most ranged models are limited to one or two shots), but they can be reloaded in the same time as a regular pistol and they are accurate up to 7.5m (which is beyond the range that virtually any defence situation would need). I haven’t had the time to check on the legality in the US (they are completely illegal up here, except for the police), but I would imagine that they might be permitted given the degree of complacency towards firearms.

Transferring death from one form to another doesn't make me happy, but when you compare the murder rates between countries per-capita the US is still way above the average of G8 countries. Why is this? If what you say is true, that gun control will simply lead to it’s transference to other forms of homicide than the rates would remain unchanged. They have not stayed the same; they have gone down. Crime may have gone up, but I did some reading (see references in last post) and in England the number of armed robbery has gone up. Would you like to know what is the largest contributor to this? High school students using knives to steal items like cell-phones. This is not to say that break-ins have not also gone up but minor crime is skewing many of the statistics. Why do Americans kill each other more than any other industrialized country? Please tell me why. Oh and don’t say anything about their being a greater degree of ethnicity (not that you would, I’m just heading off a possibility) in the US (that was the excuse that Mr. Heston used). Many cities in Canada have extremely mixed populations and the death rate hasn’t changed much in years. Overall the murder rate has dropped in Canada, while the level of immigration has gone up. Any thoughts that you might have would be appreciated. They will become viable targets however :-).

Lethal force: The laws behind it don’t really matter to me; I don’t think it can ever be morally justified.

Self-defence: Ouch… you are definitely less forgiving than I. Well I can see two problems with your solution up here. First Asps are illegal (they can be collapsed and concealed). Secondly what you described would probably be excessive force up here. What I did was right on the line. If I had even laid a hand on him once he dropped the knife I would have been in the wrong as the situation was diffused. If the attacker were to continue the attack I could act to disable him, but no more. A broken jaw, caused by a weapon (an illegal one at that) would have had me up on assault charges.

Life decisions: In this scenario I would try to avoid the attack. If this were not possible and you are describing a situation of my death or his, than I chose mine. It is not because I value his life more; I value it on equal footing. It is the fact that it is my choice what to do with my life. It is not my right to make that decision for another; as such I chose to give my life so that they can live.

This also applies if the scenario were for me to choose who would die; me or someone else, I chose my death anytime. If someone is about to be shot I would like to think that I would step in front of the bullet, but I wont be able to test that theory until it happens (and lets hope it never does).

The difference in our moral outlook arises from the fact that I do not see myself as more deserving of life than anyone else. We are all on equal footing. My life is not more important than your life, a friend’s life or anyone’s life. All that remains is my choice of what I do with my own life. I am not a nihilist, I do not welcome death; I merely cannot condone the taking of another life. I have one dominion over one life, my own. My morals do not allow for the will full termination of another life I can only chose how to use my own.

As to whether my beliefs are better than yours, their not. You are entitled to yours; I just can’t understand why violence is so engrained in our civilisation. Why is it not possible to feel safe without firearms? Would you like to know how big I am? I’m 165cm, 64kg. I’m quite below average for a male, but I still feel safe without a gun, why can’t you.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:31:48 PM
IP: 66.185.84.203

Todd> I understand that, you focused so much on last season with the London Clan so now to take a break from that to do something else in mind.

^_^

You should know, I'm very understand, just ask Robby. *sees him in the lurker corner*
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:11:43 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Yggdrasil>So you deliberately omitted facts to make yourself look like a total putz…interesting.
I assume by your comments that you’re referring to my earlier comments about Michael Moore. You needn’t have bothered. I told you straight out I was biased against him.
I hate the guy. I hate what he stands for. I hate his website. I even hate Flint, MI, only because he’s from the area. If it’s a misquote, so what? I’ll just go and read a (complete) transcript of one of his interviews and be ready to hit him with a 2x4 all over again.

 Here’s seven people that will probably disagree with you. If they weren’t dead.
(http://www.amren.com/wichita/)
And here’s someone else that would also disagree with you.
(http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_city/20021016shooter1016p1.asp)
<If they have guns, I need a gun> “They” and (I’m assuming you mean criminals here) will always have guns. Even if an entire nation outlaws the ownership and import of guns they will still exist, just in the hands of people that have no respect for the law, or for your principle of the sanctity of human life (read England). In fact, I can think of no easily concealed object or device that has even been successfully “banned”. Three off the top of my head are alcohol and drugs in the US and perhaps Christianity in China. “They” will always have guns. Period. Interestingly enough, a great source of guns is stealing them from police cars. Apparently cops rarely lock their doors.
<lower the number of gun deaths.>As an encore could you go and show how there are fewer instances of carpal tunnel syndrome in Amish country and more accidents involving chopsticks in China then in the US? Sure less guns, less gun deaths. I imagine of we got rid of cars, there’d be no drunk driving too. But, proven fact, less guns, more crime. And not just property crime, but stuff like rape, stabbings, beatings etc. As object lessons I’ll point out Washington DC (No legal guns, homicide capital of the world), the much benighted England (have to love a nation where people defending themselves are jailed as “a danger to criminals”) and the State of New Jersey.
I guess as long as the evil gun doesn’t kill someone it doesn’t’ matter how many people are wounded, crippled, or killed in some other fashion.
<Once a life is lost there is no replacement> So why do you care so much about the life of a criminal over the life of a law abiding citizen?
Forget robbery for a moment; suppose someone pulls a gun on you from ten feet away and proclaims “I’m going to kill you”(and you have every reason to believe he will, perhaps he just shot someone else). You have a gun. What is your response? From your previous posts, I assume you would stand there and get shot. Why is the life of that criminal worth more to you than your own?
And before you say “that would never happen” It did happen to a friend of mine. She was out walking with her boyfriend, some guy walked up behind them, shot the boyfriend in the back and said “You’re next, b!tch.”

Quite honestly I don’t care whether or not you want to carry a weapon of any sort, or even bother to defend yourself at all (I know that’s not your argument, don’t worry). What bothers me is that you are willing, no matter your protestations, to make that decision for me and others. You are depriving other people, especially the weakest and most helpless members of society of a convenient, safe, and reliable way to defend themselves. (Admittedly I haven’t checked the Smith and Wesson Cam recently, so that gun could be out killing people, I don’t know. http://www.roughwheelers.com/montego/gun_cam.html)
Yes, people can defend themselves without lethal force; personally, I'm all for that approach. However, I also have seen too many stories where some 6'4" 210 pound manic violated a restraining order and showed up at his ex wife/girlfriend’s house with a baseball bat and beat her to death.
That’s where the firearm comes in. It is "the great equalizer." I'm a second degree black belt, with training in several other arts and yet, if I went up against a petite woman with a .32 I'd think I loose.
Apparently, to you anyway, the prevention of “gun deaths” is more an enough to make up for the rises in knife deaths, golf club deaths, machete deaths, axe deaths and tire iron deaths that might have been prevented by a victim showing (not necessarily employing) their will to use deadly force to defend themselves.
As an aside, there are very few places that allow the use of deadly force to prevent thefts. In the vast majority of states, there are very strict limitations when you can and cannot use, or even display a firearm. I have seen stories of people charged with "brandishing" for drawing a weapon, or even allowing someone else to see their weapon at the wrong time. Result: loss of permit, loss of weapon.
In most states that allow you to carry a weapon, that weapon can only be employed when your life is in immediate danger and you have no other recourse. That is, if you can run, call for help etc, you are under legal obligation to do so. If the felon flees when you draw, you cannot fire and you cannot pursue. So when an instructor tells you to aim for center mass, that is because if you've made the decision to fire you are in imminent danger of being killed, not because someone is walking out of your house with a TV, or even said walked up and said, “give me your money”
For an excellent read on the draw/no-draw criteria check out : http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs2.htm#Five Rules for Concealed Carry
And, before you ask, in your situation I would have used one of my ASP batons. Lethal force or no, I always think a good drubbing invites the criminal the ponder the error of his ways, epically when his jaw is wired shut.

Summary then:

You don’t think lethal force is justified in self-defense. I do. Why are your beliefs better then mine. You must think your ideas a better than mine, otherwise you wouldn’t advocate laws to disarm me. So why is it okay for you to choose what you do with your own life, but not okay for me to choose what I do with mine? Obviously you don’t mind criminals deciding what to do with their lives, even if it directly effects yours or mine, even in a negative fashion.

Tony Elliot><E=mc^2
9,000,000,000,000,000 / (3*10^8) = .1 kg> Unless I missed something again, you forget to square the speed of light. 3X10^8 =c not c^2.

Josh><Feel Better>Thank you. I do now. Yay, for a 4 day cold. There will be no group hug.
<Somehow, I think it involves holding hands and singing in harmony> “ashes, ashes, the bomb fell down”?
<remind me to leave> Hey! Josh! Don’t forget to leave!
<They're ALL unenforceable. Or maybe you haven't noticed the USA PATRIOT act>Oh, I have. Which is why I endorse gun ownership even more now. The day they come for my weapons is the day I declare open, armed insurrection against the government. There are 80 million weapons owners in the us. We can take ‘em.
And Allah help the next Arab bastard that tried anything terrorist-y that doesn’t involve self-detonation around me.

All for now.
Hyperion
Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:07:40 PM
IP: 151.199.237.175

HEATHER - So you're applying for the TGS art staff? I'm pleased to hear it; best wishes to you.

One word of warning about "Pendragon" this upcoming season, though; the London clan (except for Griff) won't be playing a big role in it. I just thought that I'd better warn you before you got your hopes up too high.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:03:02 PM
IP: 67.28.93.215

Spike> Thank you so much for clearing that up. *blushes* I know it sounds silly but I've been keeping up with what members are in the london clan, since Pendragon is my favorite series.
I hope I didn't sound silly.

If I can, is Brock from a rookery before Leo's or Michael's? *brings up her chart of the london clan* Is Boz, Perry, Amanda, and Weller part of Michael's rookery ?

*blushes, is embarressed* I hope this doesn't hurt my chances for getting on the TGS art staff but I was curious. So many questions.

Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Thursday, February 13, 2003 09:53:52 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Hey all,

I want to get in on the Buffy/Angel discussion, but first I have to pluga good show on MTV.

After years of animated paucity following the end of Daria and the unannounced end of Celebrity Deathmatch, MTV is back with a hilarious show: Clone High USA. It's a send up of all the teen movie angst featuring clones of Abe Lincoln, Joan of Arc, & Gandhi as the unpopular Freaks & Geeks, with clones of Cleopatra and JFK as the popular kids. It also has a lot hilarious cameo and recurring characters like Madame Curie and George Washington Carver. Most irreverent is Jesus Cristo who works in woodshop. It is hilarous how the character contain traits of their historic progenators and teen archetypes. It is a funny show.

Buffy> Good for the Principle Wood subplot. It moved along and used continuity to its advantage. I, too, figured he was the son of the Foxy Brown slayer. However I doubt Buffy has put the two together. (If its taken them this long to figure out that TFE is non-corporal so just touching someone proves if they are the First, I seriously doubt they'll put this together without help.) More importantly, what's the point. We know Bufy will pull the same Spike is different, he has a soul now schtick she's been trotting out the whole season. Depending on how Wood uses the knowledge it might be interesting, but Buffy's side of it is very predictable.

The Xander dating arc had some great potential and Ashanti has fine legs, but it was wasted on 'yep, I'm a demon.' The end was sort of humorous. Is Xander ready to move on after Anya? This whole love-but not in love limbo the Scoobies have found themselves in is quiet tedious.

One last question, where are the other Slayers-in-waiting? Aside from Kennedy, Millie and the newsly arrived Miss China, where are the others. I don't care that much for them, but they set them up there I figure the writers should at least put them somewhere if they aren't being used.

Angel> Much better. Sorry to see Lilah gone. But hey, she put up a fight against Angelus. None of this meekly whimpering, she'll drop a book case on you. With her and Wolfram & Hart gone, the list of Angel bad guys is diminishing by the episode. Sort of glad Fred and Gunn broke up. While I think they make a good couple, Fred wasn't treating him right.The guy was willing to kill for her and she treats him like dirt. I agree, I hope the romantic entanglements can be put on the back burner.

Cordelia's evil streak is interesting, but I'll reserve judgment on that. On the one hand, it is surprising and looking back it explains a lot, but on the other hand, there isn't a real pattern to her actions. Like in Sixth Sense were everything feel into place at the end. A lot of scenes that could go either way, but none that illustrate her as evil before hand.

It is tough we have to wait two weeks for the next part of the story.

Well, until next time.
Taleweaver
Thursday, February 13, 2003 07:01:08 PM
IP: 24.205.117.88

Heather>>
>>1) In the london clan, are the names Pickwick and Cadbury gargoyles? If so, what animals do they look like?

Yes, Pickwick is older, possibly from Michael's rookery and Cadbury is one of Caspian's rookery brothers. I don't know that I ever sketched them but I've always thought of Pickwick as a pig and Cadbury as a bulldog or other type of English dog.

>>2) How many more hatchlings are there in Aslan and Victoria's rookery?

In "My Lady Fair", Michael tells the Caledonian Clan that they have 15 eggs in the rookery. That would Aslan and Victoria's rookery. There were actually nineteen in Caspian's rookery because he tells the Caledonians that the males out-numbered the females 12 to 7.

Hope this helps!

Spike - [<<Asrial done in Cretacolors]
Thursday, February 13, 2003 06:43:23 PM
IP: 65.71.254.232

Greetings;

Tony Elliot: I don't have many URL's, but here are a few: (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus96_97pg32.pdf)(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/firearms.htm) (http://www.acbr.com/causdeat.htm).

However here are some primary references for gun violence and gun control:

Miller M, Azrael D, Miller M. (2002). Firearm availability and suicide, homicide, and unintentional firearm deaths among women. JOURNAL OF URBAN HEALTH-BULLETIN OF THE NEW YORK ACADEMY OF MEDICINE. 79 (1): 26-38.

Conklin and Seiden, (1981) Gun deaths: biting the bullet on effective control. Public Affairs Report Berkeley Calif. 22(5), 1-7.

Cohen. (1998) Journal of Personality & Social Psychology. 75(2), 408-419

Jouriles et al. (1998). Knives, guns, and interparent violence: Relations with child behavior problems. Journal of Family Psychology. 12(2), 178-194.

Budd et al. (1996) Correlates and consequences of workplace violence. Journal of Occupational Health Psychology. 70(5), 961-978

Conference: Criminal Justice Ethics. Winter-Spring 01:20(1), 1-39.

Conference: Criminal Justice Ethics. Summer-Fall 01:20(2), 1-54.

Death Rates For Motor Vehicle Traffic-Related And Firearm-Related Injuries Among Adolescents 10-19 Years Of Age, Annual Average 1996-97, Issued By: National Center for Health Statistics, Publication Date: July, 2000

Roth, R. (2002). Counting guns - What social science historians know and could learn about gun ownership, gun culture, and gun violence in the United States. SOCIAL SCIENCE HISTORY. 26 (4): 699-708.

Best, J. (2002). Gun violence in America: The struggle for control. by DeConde A. JOURNAL OF AMERICAN HISTORY. 89 (3): 1147-1148.

Burruss GW, Decker SH. (2002). Gun violence and police problem solving: A research note examining alternative data sources. JOURNAL OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE. 30 (6): 567-574.

Richards EP. (2002). Gun violence - the real costs by Cook PJ, Ludwig J. JOURNAL OF POLICY ANALYSIS AND MANAGEMENT. 21 (1): 166-168.

Ludwig J, Cook PJ. (2001). The benefits of reducing gun violence: Evidence from contingent-valuation survey data. JOURNAL OF RISK AND UNCERTAINTY. 22 (3): 207-226.

Koper CS, Roth JA. (2001). The impact of the 1994 federal assault weapon ban on gun violence outcomes: An assessment of multiple outcome measures and some lessons for policy evaluation. JOURNAL OF QUANTITATIVE CRIMINOLOGY. 17 (1): 33-74.

Blumstein A, Cork D. (1996). Linking gun availability to youth gun violence. LAW AND CONTEMPORARY PROBLEMS. 59 (1): 5-24.

Anon. (2000). Reducing gun deaths in the USA. LANCET. 356 (9239): 1367-1367.

Lester D. (1999). Gun deaths in children and guns in the home. EUROPEAN JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY. 13 (3): 157-159.

Dudley M, Cantor C, deMoore G. (1996). Jumping the gun: Firearms and the mental health of Australians. AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY. 30 (3): 370-381.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Thursday, February 13, 2003 06:32:47 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

SPACEBABIE - *Shudder* Dying from being hit by a t-shirt? Chalk that up as one of the most embarrassing and bizarre ways to go.

HEATHER - Well, we did include a London gargoyle named Pickwick in a couple of episodes (there was one named Weller, as well), but I don't recall if we ever decided what animal he resembled. No gargoyles named Cadbury, to the best of my knowledge.

I don't have any data on the size of the London rookeries, either; sorry. Maybe Christi Smith Hayden can answer the questions, since she did most of the work on the London clan.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 13, 2003 06:23:50 PM
IP: 67.28.92.17

I got an actual TGS question. Maybe two.

1) In the london clan, are the names Pickwick and Cadbury gargoyles? If so, what animals do they look like?

2) How many more hatchlings are there in Aslan and Victoria's rookery? Will we find out more? Because I noticed that Caspian and Lucy's rookeries have about eight members in them each.

Gomen. ^_^
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Thursday, February 13, 2003 06:10:19 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

FS: Maude Flanders is knocked off a racetrack grandstand after being hit in the face with a flying t-shirt and falls to her untimely death. ;)
Niamhgold
Thursday, February 13, 2003 06:07:01 PM
IP: 206.41.203.189

I'm halfway through with remastering these old records. I can't wait to get finished. Some of these records are so worn out, even a thorough cleaning doesn't clear everything up. Two of them are "cut" inside out (you set the needle almost to the edge of the center label to start)and these are the WORST! Not to mention having all these hap-hap-happy day "Lawrence Welk" type tunes stuck in my head.>:P
_____________________________

Revel:<<why should you be surprised, a lot of hippies drive Volkswagons. Something about the Germans.>> Josh:<<If they were rocket scientists, they wouldn't be hippies.>> What's sad is that is my AUNT in that news clipping, who actually has been a "wannabe" hippie all her life. For a while she even lived in a house with no electricity and had a greenhouse where she grew her own veggies and yes, even her own pot. (she actually did have electricity but only for the low-voltage electrified fence that surrounded her greenhouse) She also graduated from Hisgschool an age 16 tn the top 50 of her class. So you'd think she would know how to draw a "peace" symbol. ;-)

Leo
Thursday, February 13, 2003 05:15:55 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Hey, I have a Simpsons question: How did Maude Flanders die?
Fire Storm
Thursday, February 13, 2003 05:05:51 PM
IP: 66.72.178.1

Ok everyone, I got a logic puzzle for you!
It involves making a schedule:
5 employees
3 shifts (Morning, Mid, Night)
7 days in a week
Double coverage allowed in Morning shift ONLY, and ONLY Monday-Friday
All shifts MUST be covered ALL days.
No more than 2 days off in a row
Two days off in a row is preferable, but not mandatory
No more than 5 days working in a row
5 days in a row is preferable, but not mandatory
Patterns such as 1 off, 1 work, 1 off are NOT allowed!
Patterns such as 1 off, 2 work, 1 off are not preferable, but are allowed.
Morning cannot follow a Mid or Night shift
Mid cannot follow a Night shift
Any shift can be before a night shift
No more than 1 shift per day
Changing if shifts MUST be kept to a minimum
No more than two types of shifts per week
Changing from one type of shift to another type of shift can happen a maximuim of once per week
All employees must work each shift in equal ammounts (+/- 5%)
What is the minumum period possible for this (Must be a whole number of weeks)
What is the best schedule for this?
If two employees per week are allowed to work 4 days, with three off, no more than 5 days working in a row, no more than three days off in a row), how does this change the minimum period and schedule (NOTE: In this case, EVERY employee MUST work an equal number of weeks like this)

Dezi: <It takes a "special" kinda person to get away with post-its and push pins>
And computers, PDA's, digital camera's, hard drives, etc.

Gside: <Two posts is two days. Are you eating your fiber again?>
Yup! Plywood! Can't get enough!
<You can still have a good go with two. Recently, we randomly selected computer opponents and set ourselves to match them.>
Hmm... I may have to try that... after Blood Rayne
<And Lady Mystic approves of both of them being in the harem?>
Approves? No. Has a choice? No. :)
<Well, I was never that much into spanking, but at least I wouldn't get spanked, and the oral sex would make up for it.>
Oral sex makes up for a lot of things.
<You're right, it's too concentrated, but I can always mix it up later>
And it is probably too concentrated, so add water
<Smash. And the Zeldas didn't move you?>
From what I saw of the Zelda's, I wasn't impressed.
<Remember to scan so you can get over 74% and the medium ending, if you already aren't going for perfect.>
First time through. Do you have to scan EVERYTHING, or just one of each data item? I mean, do I have to scan EVERY ball-spinner, missile upgrade and Energy tank?
<It didn't really impress my roomies.>
But it really is good!
<Quick, what's e, to four decimals?>
Metric (KM/s) or standard (Miles/s)

Josh: <Sadly, they don't give the darwin award to people just for being stupid>
Well, hopefully he will get a second chance.
<Not a very large orgy>
More of a harem than an orgy
<Not a very large harem>
Two IS better than one!
<There was a contest?! Why wasn't I informed?>
Well, that's what you get for missing the November evil meeting! There was a door prize of a trip to Castle Anthrax! Gside didn't attend, but someone put his name in the box.

But dang, it was a good game!
<Never thought I'd hear that phrase>
I know... But, come on... my PC is based on the EXACT same tech, I have a better video card, more ram, faster processor, and I am expected to spend $200 for a LOWER tech version of my computer that can do LESS than my computer?
<Only if she's hot. They suck in the sack. Unless they suck 8-)>
Well, yeah. They are taught as much as they can without actual experience.
<Never seen one, myself>
Me neither, but I have heard rumors that they actually exist
<And what if your project never takes off?>
Investments are not FDIC insured and are subject to risk.
Also, that's why I plan to have a scale test model of the whole vehicle and a full size section of the rocket engine working before I even seek financial aid
<Bank on the rescue>
Same. Worst comes to worst, take over the ISS
<But what would have happened when they did?>
I would have left soon after stealing everything if I did

Spacebabie: <Thanks for the link. I wonder what would happen if some of the clan came across this guy.>
Laugh

Revel: <we were so bad sicne we were going out of business>
That's the problem when a company goes out of business. I mean, what incentive do they have for an employee to excel in customer service?
Fire Storm
Thursday, February 13, 2003 04:52:15 PM
IP: 66.72.178.1

Not much going on today. I actually don't really have to go to class being that it's a work day and I'm not even sure what I want to do next, but I have to go pick my dried prints anyhow, my run off one more just to see how it will come out.
Saw a preview online with my roomie for Halo 2, I drooled at the quality of the effects. Soon we won't just be watching our animated movies, we will also be able to interact in them, my opinion of course.

Josh- <<Don't ever say that again.>> But she is my Spacie-chan and will say what she likes. ];)

Leo- why should you be surprised, a lot of hippies drive Volkswagons. Something about the Germans.

DPH- Get better.

Gside- <<That is so very wrong>> But at the same time so right.

Spacebabie- Well maybe your brother will serve some great purpose someday. Thanks for the compliment my beautiful, brown-eyed Sunshine. *smooch*

Niamhgold- <<So much work, so little time>> sorry, I like my current orientation.

Fire Storm- we were so bad sicne we were going out of business. Every day was like the day after christmas and the customers were as rude as you can imagine. So we had fun ourselves. Mike would come up to people and go, "Hi, we're out of that, can I help you?"

"Did you know that if you take a picture of a cheato and put it in a clean dry palce for a few yeas it will actually change shape?"
-Dr. Videger, Biology(non-majors)-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, February 13, 2003 02:16:57 PM
IP: 129.120.173.67

Josh -- The First likes to do bad things with the truth. The reason I knew it was Spike is that we have seen "flash backs" him killing the Slayers. One was in China during the Boxer Rebellion, and the other was in the late 60s/ early 70s on that train/subway -- remember how Spike got his leather jacket?

MC
mooncat
Thursday, February 13, 2003 01:27:48 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Somehow, without doing anything today, it still managed to feel like a long day. Finally finished both my FEM and programming assignments, did some work in the research lab, and had my Apple interview.

I'm not sure if the interview went well or not. She didn't seem very enthusiastic about me, but on the other hand I nailed all her technical questions. Having training in the manufacturing industry definitely gave me a boost. Hopefully I'll get it.

Niamhgold: <<They told me I pretty much have a position, if I can decide definitely if I'll be in the area (it's unpaid, thus I'd have to make sure I could afford my own place there with a second job>>: Good luck with that. Places in the bay are hideously expensive, and most don't have month-to-month leases. <<they want some sort of decision by late April, which is the exact same time I'd find out if I'm turned down by LucasArts/ILM>>: Delay them 8-) <<if *all* internship/positions fall through, I'm just going to take a chance and find a place to live somewhere either in LA/SF with a random job and just build rapport and a west-coast clientele>>: This sounds like a bad idea (TM). Money and a job and a place to live is better than a gamble. If you're in my neck of the woods, you're welcome to stay with me until you get a more permanent place. <<How much would you people pay for color, about 8.5 X 11 pieces of artwork if they aren't framed/matted?>>: Less. <<we've got to start cleaning around here>>: Women are dirty 8-) <>: They FAA has reported pigs 8-) <<Over here, they'd be beaten, raped, and *then* mugged. And that's just by Baltimore's white people>>: Probably what will happen here as well. <<Maybe Question just misinterpreted the real reason you're going to the gym>>: Feels good. <<Because if you worked for four years for a degree as painstakingly as you say, then it *should* be perfect>>: You're kidding, right? How would anything ever advance? The only way to make breakthroughs is to do something no one's done before, and that means that no one knows exactly what will happen. <>: Except that its your fault for using flash in the first place! ;-) <>: Woot! A positive vote. <<I'm glad it's them and not me>>: Not a fan of big noses, huh? <<When I'm at MICA, I turn into an asexual>>: What are you on break?

Spacebabie: <<Dude you’re getting a cell>>: I liked Dezi's better. <<either the TA of your assignments suck>>: The assignments, I assure you. <<You being Dilbert and the other guy=Dilbert’s boss>>: So true. It worries me that some day he might be management. <<well come to the Gathering and you shall see>>: I'll think about it. <<From yourself?>>: No, from my women 8-) <<money…anything that has to deal with it…including interest>>: So obviously more than the stuff you have listed. <<With my luck he would find his way home>>: I feel your pain. <<I’ve wtitten some NC-17 where Demona gets some action>>: I think that's her point. <<I’m too buys thinking about My Tall drink of Texas beef>>: Don't ever say that again.

Kaioto: <<this link>>: It is entirely plausible.

Hyperion: Feel better. <<N. Korea has a missile that can hit the West Coast>>: Hardly an impressive feat. <>: Somehow, I think it involves holding hands and singing in harmony. <<we will be forced to save you along with everything else>>: remind me to leave, just in case anyone changes their mind about that. <<No word yet if they've surrendered>>: Give it time. <<if the second amendment goes, the others are kind of like a UN resolution. Unenforceable>>: They're ALL unenforceable. Or maybe you haven't noticed the USA PATRIOT act.

Yggdrasil: <<You better read my latest reply to Hyperion before you don a ski mask>>: I have too much to lose to engage in crime. <<do you have any idea how lucky you would have to be not to sever an artery in the leg?>>: How about the feet? Can I shoot them in the foot? I'm getting tired of you hippies always getting in the way of my fun. <<ecommend the philosophy of life sciences.>>: HAHAHAHA no. That class was such a waste of time. <>: Agreed.

Dezi: <<A maroon chenelle blankey and a reaaaly soft stuffed grey puppy>>: That would be a great present...but I'm straight. I assume your boyfriend is too (but you never know these days). The truth is that men only want three things: food, sex, sleep. Not necessarily in that order. <<I'm really tolerant (to a point)>>: All women say that. Few are. Women can barely tolerate each other, how can they deal with men? <<The guy has this emense collection of porn>>: Congrats, you've proved he's male 8-)

Tony Elliot: <>: Unforgivable to an engineer! <<which is the unit system my calculations, and just about every scientific calculation is done it>>: True, unless you actually work in the US. Someone had to go through all my calcs after I left GE and convert to US system ;-) <<285 years>>: Are you done with this proposal now? <<Any real science is un-understandable with out the math to back it up>>: Wrong. Basic science is understandable with a knowledge of algebra. The calculus stuff is not really important to appreciate what's going on conceptually. <<maybe Josh since he gets to go to Hawaii for Christmas break>>: In all fairness, I'm not loaded until my parents kick the bucket...which could be a while as people in my family have a tendency to never die so they can continue nagging their offspring ;-) <>: This scene was literally a second before she transformed into a gargoyle (i.e. at sunset). It doesn't happen during the day.

Mooncat: <<I'm pissed if Lila's truly dead>>: I still don't understand why Cordy wanted her dead. <<Faith is coming in just three weeks>>: We're all excited over here too. But it looks like she's put on a few pounds... <<My money is still on Conner>>: Ditto. <<Spike was the one he was looking for the moment he told Buffy about his past>>: I think the First is lying and just said that to set them at each others throats. But I knew that the Principal was going to think Spike did it.

Leo: If they were rocket scientists, they wouldn't be hippies.

Gside: <<booms are generally how you move in space>>: In star trek they carry sound too 8-) <<It cannot be avoided>>: I know, and that continually annoys me. <<Some of my courses are quite late, and quite long>>: Here, only the architecture majors have classes longer than 3 hours. <<It makes him regular>>: On the toilet perhaps. <<I'd disconnect the phone after teh third time or so>>: I'd dial out with my base station. <>: Breathe through your mouth, retard. <<Quick, what's e, to four decimals?>>: People should not know such things.

DPH: feel better.

Sleep time. Click my name for a funny article from Berkeley's new conservative newspaper (this will be funny even if you're a commie liberal, I promise).

124. Prior to kidnapping an older male scientist and forcing him to work for me, I will investigate his offspring and make sure that he has neither a beautiful but naive daughter who is willing to risk anything to get him back, nor an estranged son who works in the same field but had a falling-out with his father many years ago.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, February 13, 2003 03:30:50 AM
IP: 64.170.155.225

*Upon dph's instructions, dph's hologram double-checks for fields being filled out correctly and swears NOT to double-post.*

DPH is sick, (no, not mentally sick, he already knows that he is sanity challenged), he has a fever. He independently determined that when he started shaking from being too cold in his house and checked the thermometer to see the house was at 65 degree F. [In addition, he has sinus problems right now and sinus problems make him feel miserable.] He suspects that the cause is a weakened immue system caused by not getting enough sleep. To solve the problem of the fever, he has taken slightly more than the recommended dosage from OTC drug.

Meanwhile, he is extremely happy to report he made a 10 out of 10 on an essay that he expected to fail. Seriously, he suspected his rambling on would result in a grade of 2 out of 10.

Also, he insists on adding a new rule to his collection: DPH does not (nor should he) know everything.
dph's hologram
AR, USA
Thursday, February 13, 2003 01:42:15 AM
IP: 204.94.193.24

Imzadi> <<Do we have a viable hydrogen reactor?>>: No, but if you mix it with half as much oxygen, it makes a good boom, and booms are generally how you move in space.
<>: It cannot be avoided.
<<Close enough. Never didn't apply>>: Which was my point a good while back.
<>: Some of my courses are quite late, and quite long.
<<And if he is, what does that have to do with posting regularly?>>: It makes him regular.
<<They took a perfectly good game and made it all 3-D>>: Yes, it was unnecessary, but I was still a good game.
<<If they were so smart they wouldn't be living with you>>: Good point.

Niamhgold> <<we've got to start cleaning around here>>: I reccommend a stron cleaner, and then steaming.
<<That's because Jersey people have balls>>: Thank you. But it the New Hampshire who can really deal with it. My mother hadn't heard of a show day until she came down here.
<<in Baltimore you're pulled over if its flurrying and you don't have chains on your tires>>: We don't even have chains.
<<Preach it, brother>>: Hallelujia. My own characters are all the women (not Sheik much, since we've got another who plays her exclusively as Sheik), Mewtwo, the Foxes, and a bit of the Links lately. Unfortunately the other two major players are on a Roy/Marth binge, but I don't miss being Jiggly pinged much.
<>: I've had turkeybacon.
<<calling us eighty times from midnight until six in the morning>>: I'd disconnect the phone after teh third time or so.

Spacebabie> <<Nose plugs>>: I can't rely on anaerobic resperation for very long.
<<So no shrinkage?>>: Depends on the curse. It might get very descriptive, and there are also pools like the yaazuniichuan and maoniichuan.
<<Like I said money�anything that has to deal with it�including interest>>: So you do know your exponents? Quick, what's e, to four decimals?
<<Tall drink of Texas beef>>: That is so very wrong.

Dezi> <<No. *crosses arms and looks fakey indignant.*>>: If it's any consolation, in just a few short months, I'll be off this network, and will probably have to go to IRC for subs.

And a bit of blues. B. B. King, doing Sloppy Drunk.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:25:18 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

I'm all giddy :) I have my own deadjournal :D:D:D. It's not supped up yet or anything, I just gotone today after I really really really wanted to write about what's going on in my life. So read if you want. I get offensive at some points (I think so at least).
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:06:57 AM
IP: 64.219.214.84

What's wrong with this picture? ;-)

<Click my name>
Leo - [Hint: "Mercedes, Not War!!"]
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:49:48 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Ygg's story makes me want to renew my NRA membership. *^_^* And go to the range more.

on other notes ... Angel spoilers
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whoa! Didn't see that coming! Nice end catch, but I'm pissed if Lila's truly dead. Oooo Faith is coming in just three weeks! Can we say "sweeps" ? Yay!!!

I wonder who has Angel's soul. My money is still on Conner.

Oh, and Buffy from yesterday, love the Blade-esque story on the Principle. Knew Spike was the one he was looking for the moment he told Buffy about his past. Mmm... pears soaked in Brandy... =P~~~ The man has good taste, and I bet he tastes good.

spoilers

Summer Jackel has a new fiction up! Happy Happy!!! Demona and Macbeth fans rejoice, because we get a look at the early days when the alliance between our new immortals was fresh and new. Summer has a way with words that brings the story to rich life, full of barbaric period splendor and rich sensuality. Ooo la. I'm a happy kitty!

kay, lates
MC

Mooncat
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:23:55 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Normally, I wouldn’t post so often, but I don’t want anyone else picking apart my bad math.

Hyperion
<light is 300,000 km/sec>
That’s true, but km/s is not SI, which is the unit system my calculations, and just about every scientific calculation is done it.
<I'll assume they're right>
bad assumption :-p
Revised calculations:
Ek = 1/2 * 20 * (30,000,000)^2 = 9,000,000,000,000,000 = 9*10^15 joules
9,000,000,000,000,000 joules / 1,000,000 w = 9,000,000,000 seconds
31,536,000 seconds / year
9,000,000,000 / 31,536,000 = 285 years
We’d be long dead before it ever got that fast. :(
E=mc^2
9,000,000,000,000,000 / (3*10^8) = .1 kg
<antimatter reaction, not nuclear>
One would use about 1kg for the explosion. *I think* that in nuke bombs, only about 1/10 of the plutonium gets converted, the rest is scattered about giving everyone cancer. But I like the antimatter idea better. IF we could produce 50g of antimatter and slowly feed that into matter, the probe could be accelerated at a much slower rate rather than one big jolt.

Yggdrasil
<Philosophy><religion> - no room for that in my curriculum. Although I wouldn’t mind em’.
<SCIENCE> I’ve had too much!
I agree with your three course suggestions, but I wouldn’t leave out math. Any real science is un-understandable with out the math to back it up.
<Gun control does work, it saves lives and this cannot be argued. The statistics clearly show that the less available guns are, the lower the number of gun deaths>
I’d like to believe you, but I find that very unlikely. But if you have these “statistics”, please post a URL.

Dezi
< Only lived here a year and am a poor college kid>
There aren’t too many rich ones! Well maybe Josh since he gets to go to Hawaii for Christmas break.

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I didn’t know that human Demona’s eyes glowed. Maybe this is just an inconsistency. Click my name for a glowing eyed Dominique Destine. (EP 26, High Noon)

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI, Only 16 inches of snow so far this year!
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:21:28 PM
IP: 65.29.132.86

Mmmm. Picked up Brandon (boyfriend) valentines present today. Guys would you like this as a present?: A maroon chenelle blankey and a reaaaly soft stuffed grey puppy. I figured he could have the blanket to keep him warm while at his computer cause it's in kinda a cold corner. Hope he likes it.
Forgive any lousy typing. My rat Zen bit my left pinky finger, so a's are a pain in the butt to type. Or a pain in the finger. He wasnt even mean about it. Just kinda slow like he was tasting me. Of course he's teethe are really sharp and I wasnt quick enough to get out of the way, cause the other rat, Demus was wanting to be petted.

To weigh in, I think what Yggdrasil did was kinda cool. And we really will never know what would have happened either way. Congrats, Yggdrasil, you've just created a whole bunch of parallel universes. If it was me though I woulda just kicked the guy in a certain spot to make him cry and run away REAL fast.

Tony:<digging up a turntable & buying vinyl> Still have a turntable and own almost all REM on vinyl (cept monster, just haven't gotten to it yet.)
<They always drive bad first snow of the season. > But this isn't the first snow of the season! It's like the tenth or something! Can't these people learn?!
<somewhat more sophisticated > Only one word for you that will say it all: Nascar.
<“Original Pancake House”> Dunno. Only lived here a year and am a poor college kid, so a fancy dinner consists of McDonalds. They have pretty good pancakes at McDonalds. I like mine home-cooked though. Never even been to IHOP.
<This doesn’t concern you?> Not really. I'm the coolest and best girlfriend for him. I'm really tolerant (to a point). The guy has this emense collection of porn. I let him have it, because banning would cause more harm than good. Besides, the chances are slim that he would ever meet any of these actresses (porn or mainstream) ever anyway. Slimmer still that they would talk to him. Specially if I'm standing right there giving the "touch my boyfriend and die a slow painful death" glare.
< MP3-cd player > Good suggestion noted, but unable to afford. Thanks.

Gside:<May I laugh?> No. *crosses arms and looks fakey indignant.* :P
<<<resolves to dig the books out of storage at some point in the future>>: Good.> Ah but would he read them or just prop up tables?
<Empire Records>>: It didn't really impress my roomies.> My cousin had an unhealthy infatuation with the guy who played Lucas.

Imzadi:<WHY?! > My dog is kinda spoiled and believes she was really a Husky in a past life. She's a springer spaniel though.
<and smack her for saying it to you > I fear smacking my mom. She can be quite vicious when enraged.
<And you're fully qualified for it, too! > Rock on! --We are go for launch.--

Niamhgold: <prank better than calling us eighty times > My idea of a real good prank is putting glow sticks into helium balloons to stage a UFO hoax and totally freak out the town drunks. To do this, though, the white helium balloon(that carries the glowstick) must be supported by about ten black helium balloons (black can't be seen at nite) in order to get a good altitude. My cousin happened to actually be with one of the town drunks when he started to rant about martians coming. 8-)
<MICA students> I had a friend that went to MICA. Only a short while though. Best pencil drawer I have ever met. He was gonna be an illustrator, but got frustrated with the teachers and transferred to Bradley in Peoria. Have no clue what became of him next.
<pay for color, about 8.5 X 11 pieces of artwork > Unmatted $20 tops. Matted, $30-$40 depending on the mat.

later
Dezi
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:03:26 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Sorry about the double post

Gabriel: Just missed you. Thanks for your 2 cents. Please feel free to enter this debate at any time. As to the incident my previous post clears this up. I wish that I had been responsible for my attacker having an epiphany, changing their evil ways and devoting their life to charity. But I think reuniting him with his loved ones (I hope) will have to do. :-)

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 09:43:03 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

Greetings;

Hyperion: Before I being I do hope that you are feeling better. I had pneumonia at the beginning of January (A Christmas gift from some friends) and I'm still getting over it.

Anyways, I see that my example of context did work. When I said, "To make a long story short.” this was a way of saying that not all of the details are forthcoming. I selectively gave an incomplete account of my encounter in order to skew the belief of the reader towards one conclusion, that I left this individual free. The truth is that I did give him my money and walk away ... to the emergency pole about 10 steps from where I was attacked and contacted the campus police. They arrived within 2 min. and held the individual for the regional police. The police informed me a few days later that he was a missing person and suffering from a psychiatric disorder, as such was not in control of his actions at the time of the attack. No charges were laid relating to the assault so I have no further information on the incident. He probably underwent treatment and was released; it was several years ago.

This kinda changes the story doesn't it? It should make you think anytime you read an editorial. Before you ask why I still gave him my money...It just felt right.

As to the gun argument ... well we both have out opinions. I don't feel that lethal force is ever justified as self-defence; there are always options. There's a circular logic to arms possession. If they have guns, I need a gun. This creates the very weapon that you fear. Gun control does work, it saves lives and this cannot be argued. The statistics clearly show that the less available guns are, the lower the number of gun deaths. As to crime rates, perhaps we should look as to what motivates crime and stop it at the source as opposed to killing anyone who transgresses against us. I don't know what that source is, but there must be a social reason for most crime. We are far to focused on punishing after the fact than in preventing the event in the first place.

I don't have any solutions, but I will repeat. Material goods can be replaced. Even those things with sentimental value are still material in nature. Once a life is lost there is no replacement. If I had killed my attacker I would have murdered a mentally ill individual who did not know what he was doing. Was this individual evil, deserving of death because he dared to try to harm me? No he was sick and needed help. As he was listed as a missing person there were obviously people who cared about him, and were trying to find him. Who am I to decide that they will only get him back in a body bag? I don't have the right to make decisions about life and death for another individual. All I can do is choose what I do with my own life.

To sum it up:

1. Context is important in any discussion. This goes for anything and everything. A disembodied quote can be made to mean anything in the hands of a skilled individual. It is only when we see the whole that a decision can be made.

2. Gun Control: I have my feelings you have yours. Gun control does save lives. It just comes down to what is more important, freedom (and please note that there is a fine line between freedom and anarchy, it's called the law, but this is another debate on its own ... any takers on that one) and life.

3. I am an argumentative bastard who will debate any idea till it's well and truly dead. Please don't take it too personally. I just love open discourse. Any further comments are always appreciated (but may be turned back into your face in a moment's notice).

Josh: You better read my latest reply to Hyperion before you don a ski mask. Sure you’ll get $50 (That’s worth what, $2 US) but is it really worth the pain … and criminal record (unless you are just as disturbed). J

As to the aiming thing, do you have any idea how lucky you would have to be not to sever an artery in the leg? If you hit the popliteal artery, which runs just behind the knee, the individual could bleed out in less than 30sec. As this artery is linked directly to the femoral artery (the femoral branches into the descending genicular and the popliteal) it would take no time for an individual to die as a result. Just something to consider. You’re better aiming for the shoulder as it has a lower chance of severing a major artery (the axillary) in this case. If however you aim to close to the body and sever the subclavian … well their dead (in about 10sec.).

Oh yeah I’m trying to track down that science survey for you.

Tony Eliot: Alas if only I could claim to be entirely good. But I do agree that everyone should take the following courses.

1. Philosophy (any is good it develops critical thinking) I personally recommend the philosophy of life sciences.

2. A religion course that is not about your own. Hatred is often spawned in ignorance.

3. SCIENCE!!!!! Sorry had to say that, but I despair at the level of ignorance towards science in this world. It’s not that scary people give it a try you might like it.

Revel: Be careful when you make fun of degrees. I have my BSc, MSc and am working on my PhD. I worked hard for these things (and I have a nice job with Health Canada waiting for me when I’m done).

And for your information it’s Post hole Digger (according to my father).

Goodnight

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 09:38:03 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

Forgive me for butting in:

<<You, by your actions and decision may have just cost another person their life.>>

On the flip side of things, maybe his actions made the criminal change his ways for the better. I know the NRA does it's damndest to make criminals out to be unchangable demons out to get every man woman and child, but you never know. Maybe Yggsdrasil, by his actions, CHANGED that criminal's life. Maybe the criminal DIDN'T go rob someone else; maybe this one act of "kindness" (and I use the marks since violence was used :P) gave a wake-up call to the criminal. I can go on and on about maybes, but no one will know. What's sad is that maybe the criminal was trying to get money for food (highly unlikely, but since our arguments our based purely on maybes that are slanted to our positions, I figure why not).

And that's my sob story for the evening. :)
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 09:28:58 PM
IP: 64.219.214.84

Hyperion: 3x10^8 is the speed of light in meters per second.
Josh
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 08:54:56 PM
IP: 64.170.155.225

So N. Korea has a missile that can hit the West Coast. I wonder what all the Berkeley hyper-pacifists have to say about TMD (Theater Missile Defense aka "Star Wars") now.
As Rearden said in "Atlas Shrugged", "I'm sorry to say, gentlemen, that we will be forced to save you along with everything else."
Hmm...apparently the French Embassy is "under siege" from irate Americans that are incensed at their opposition to a) the war and b) helping on of our allies.
Most common refrain "If it weren’t for our help, you'd be speaking German!"
No word yet if they've surrendered.

Replies, of a sort.

Josh><What an original idea> I never even pretended to claim it was a original idea, sucka[implied].
<Caused by a gun>Most likely. But, really, if the second amendment goes, the others are kind of like a UN resolution. Unenforceable.
<I'll tell you tomorrow> Damn, have to work harder at the suspense thing...

Tony Elliot><Equations>I so don’t' feel like double checking maths. Since I have neither the time nor the inclination to check the first few equations, I'll assume they're right. You're mass to energy conversion needs a little work, though.
First off speed of light is 300,000 km/sec, or 3X10^5. Squared that's 9X10^10, so I have no idea what 3X10^8 is supposed to equal.
Assuming you're dividing energy (1X10^15) by light squared (C^2 or 9X10^10) you get M=11111. So you need slightly over 11,000 Kg of matter to energy conversion. On your 20 kg probe.
Secondly, in order to assure perfect mass to energy conversion, you'd need an antimatter reaction, not nuclear.
and, on a strictly engineering level, it's possible to build a solar sail, try containing a nuclear explosion with 20 kg of material. Less if you want the probe to do anything except "go fast".

Yggdrasil>
I'm sorry to say that the hypocrisy of your argument is completely overwhelming me.
What exactly does your moral belief say about the next victim your erstwhile thug attacked? Due to your actions, you left a violent, law-breaking thug to walk free. Was his next victim able to defend him/herself so effectively? Are they in the hospital? Dead? Do you even care?
I'm sure your fellow citizens are feeling much better knowing that you stopped someone willing to harm a complete stranger ("and went to slash at me") in the course of a robbery and simply rewarded him for his effort and let him walk away.
I find it doubly amusing that you claim a lack of will to make "that kind" of decision "for" another person. Didn't you just put another innocent victim in harms way by virtue of *your* decision? You claim that property is not worth killing over, but how do you know that robbery was his only intent? Perhaps he wanted to kill you, and make sure you couldn't tell police. You say you have no problem dying in that case, but the next person probably does not share your views, and now that decision has been made *by you* because of your inaction. They may not have the choice to walk away. You, by your actions and decision may have just cost another person their life.

Regardless whether you agree with that scenario or not, and even more ominous, you fail to see the logical disconnect from the belief your own life is, for the sake of brevity, not worth defending, to your own moral premise that you “won't make a decision regarding the use of lethal force for someone else” to your desire to disarm *me*, someone who's life and property I consider sacrosanct, and certainly worth more than some deviant’s desire for a quick buck. (Call me cynical, but I don’t' think your average mugger is looking to donate to the March of Dimes.)
In essence you're saying "who are you to force your morality (by advocating the use of firearms and lethal defense) on me when I'm the one who is forcing his morality on you (my advocating disarmament and lack of resistance) and then saying that no one should force their morality on anyone unless it is my morality?"
I would really have much less of a problem with your entire argument if only, by your pacifist beliefs and desire to ban handguns, you weren’t already making decisions about how little my life and the lives of others, are worth to you.

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"I can't leave without an explanation. She'll be all over me."
"Looks to me she's already all over you."

Hyperion
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 07:09:16 PM
IP: 151.199.242.161

I didn't watch much of the X-files "Lone Gunmen" spin-off, but someone refered me to this link. I find the 5th paragraph of the March 3, 2001 pilot episode synopsis quite odd considering what happened on September 11 of that year.

http://www.wizardskeep.cc/lonegunmen.asp

Weird and creepy.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 03:32:22 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

My dad has slight stomach problems. I feel a little nervous about my fic being up for workshop tomorrow but that is about it.

Grrr I love basketball but not when it prempts Buffy for it.

**********Smallville Spoilers***********
Interesting episode. I nearly lost track of who was playing who and who was getting played. Lionel Luther is not really blind. I did whish that when Lex was pitching Hay that he took off his shirt, cause there is something about a shirtless sweaty guy pitching hay.
******************Spoilers end*******

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Josh<<<The dell dude in jail!>>>Dude you’re getting a cell.<<<Three hours meeting with the TA today and even HE couldn't figure out the homework. >>>So it’s either the TA of your assignments suck<<<Him: "I've installed cabinets, its the same thing." >>>I felt like I was reading a Dilbert strip. You being Dilbert and the other guy=Dilbert’s boss>>>Just wait till you have kids.>>>So I can help them with their homework when they get complex mathematical problems that they might never have to use?<<<Um...no.>>>I’d explain…but well come to the Gathering and you shall see ;)<<<Why? I've never heard any complaints before.>>>From yourself? <<<You're almost as twiggy as I am 8-) >>>He’s got more beef.

Heather<<<Sorry this is totally Off-topic>>>You mean sorry for posting so soon?

Coyote>>>Awsome…I love your art.

Gside<<<Not of any significant concentration close to the bathtub.
>>>Nose plugs<<<They tend to be quality curses.>>>So no shrinkage?<<<if you want to deal with compound interest>>>Like I said money…anything that has to deal with it…including interest

Firestorm>>>Thanks for the link. I wonder what would happen if some of the clan came across this guy.

Revel<<<lets blind fold your brother and drop him off on the south side of Miami or something and see what happens>>>With my luck he would find his way home.

Dezi<<>>Sad to say People in Florida don’t know how to drive in the rain.<<<Eewww, Demona porn.>>>Hey I’ve wtitten some NC-17 where Demona gets some action.

Niahmgold<<<Or she could be asexual>>>Nope. I’m too buys thinking about My Tall drink of Texas beef.

27. “They blaze through history-the heroes and the heroines. Those who stood alone against great odds. Those who endured intolerable suffering rather than betray companions Those who ignored danger to save others. Sudden unpremeditated acts-or long perseverance.”~ Pam Brown.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 01:57:15 PM
IP: 67.28.65.60

** Niamhgold enters **

Well, yesterday was cool. I called the Yerba Buena Arts Center in San Fran about an internship opportunity, since I'm working with our school in hosting one of their exhibitions here for Spring of 2003. They told me I pretty much have a position, if I can decide definitely if I'll be in the area (it's unpaid, thus I'd have to make sure I could afford my own place there with a second job). Now, the bad thing is that they want some sort of decision by late April, which is the exact same time I'd find out if I'm turned down by LucasArts/ILM (which has a 98% chance of happening, anyways, blah). Oh, well, I've decided that if *all* internship/positions fall through, I'm just going to take a chance and find a place to live somewhere either in LA/SF with a random job and just build rapport and a west-coast clientele. Life's all about risks, and risks are better than a summer in NH ;)

Meanwhile, the hunt for housing next semester/this summer has begun...

The raw art sale and parents weekend are coming up this weekend. I was turned down for exhibition in the open art show because I was the "only one with illustration work; it just didn't fit in," so I'm just going to recycle my entries for the sale.

How much would you people pay for color, about 8.5 X 11 pieces of artwork if they aren't framed/matted? If they are...?

And happy halloween/Daredevil on Friday, cursed of all days... ;)

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Gside: <Did that with a bottle of ammonia recently. Still had to scrape off the tub> ::shudders:: we've got to start cleaning around here... <@#$!. Mine wasn't officially canceled, and I had to trudge all the way over to the pharmacy building and back> That's because Jersey people have balls. Apparently, in Baltimore you're pulled over if its flurrying and you don't have chains on your tires ;) This Friday it's supposed to snow again...which sucks, since it's another day I don't have classes to be cancelled ;) <New England> A-yaaah. At least we know how to spread our maple syrup... ;) <And get SSBMelee> Preach it, brother.

Imzadi: <Also discovered a republican newspaper at Berkeley!> Holy crap! I think the cows have just come home! ;) <Apparently they're going to celebrate black history month by really tearing into affirmative action.> Arses. Over here, they'd be beaten, raped, and *then* mugged. And that's just by Baltimore's white people! I mean, now that Bush has changed federal housing minimums from "no more than $50" to "no less than $50", I'm going to start dealing with *angry* singing crazy people on the Light Rail ;) <I'm posting frequently to stave off flame wars> Coincidentally, the topic for my hypertext paper that I drew out of a hat was on Flame Wars and Communication... <The weather might be nice, but I have to wonder about a school that offers me a scholarship.> In today's market, it's a good thing. <: I'm not that flexible. But if I were...no> Maybe Question just misinterpreted the real reason you're going to the gym...? ;) <Message to non-engineers: stop taking technology for granted, and stop blaming us when it isn't perfect> No. Because if you worked for four years for a degree as painstakingly as you say, then it *should* be perfect. A degree in any other field doesn't keep people from questioning the workers in those fields. I mean, I could say the same thing about "stop taking web developers for granted, and stop blaming us when it isn't perfect." It happens everywhere, to we designers and doctors and lawyers and politicians all the time.

Spacebabie: <Finally chicken! Well I have been eating a lot of seafood, salmon, scallops, clam chowder.> I ate something called turkeyham Monday. I believe it is a derivative of the hot dog, but it made me feel a lot sicker. Monday was just a bad day overall ;) <Because he would greatly disappoint himself> I highly doubt that ;)

Spike: <Briana Garcia has delivered a lovely early Valentine -- Timedancer Brooklyn and Sata having a little smooch> Awww...I'm glad it's them and not me ;)

Dezi: <Where's the consistency! It's February! We still have "winter" until March!> No, no, no. See, here it's snowing *way* too much. We're 22 inches over normal! Eek...last year, it was 50 here and that was only 5degrees above normal. Now...egh. <. Body snatching is now reduced to a prank everyone!> I want to tell this to my classmates, so that they can come up with a prank better than calling us eighty times from midnight until six in the morning ;) Although, my friend Greg had a nice one with a screensavers and disabling all the keyboard commands except for one only he knows;) The screens flash like strobes and whisper "let's kill them all, these stupid MICA students" and stuff like that. Really...funny. In Greg's sort of way ;)

GB: Milady is fine ;)

Revel: <No, Spacebabie does not have a penis, I am 100% sure of this> LOL I missed that string! However...is she androgenous? ;) Or she could be asexual. When I'm at MICA, I turn into an asexual ;) <And despite how much I like Mara, I don't agree with her "everyone should try bi-sexuality" statement.> So much work, so little time... <

Out
Niamhgold
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:23:35 AM
IP: 209.143.83.90

Another long day. I hate it when I spend so much time inside that I have no clue what's happening outside. At least when I'm in my apartment, I can hear if its raining, feel if its warm, etc. Today I spent 6 hours in the MechE building, mostly with finite element (and no, it still isn't done!). Stupid FEM program has a lousy CAD package, making 3-D drawing nearly impossible when compared to something nice like AutoCAD or ANSYS.

On the plus side, tomorrow I have no class and my long-awaited second Apple interview! Woot!

Fire Storm: <<practicing to win a Darwin award>>: Sadly, they don't give the darwin award to people just for being stupid. <<occasionally LM, and RARELY her sister>>: Not a very large orgy. <<That's why I have LM AND her sister living with me!>>: Not a very large harem. <<you won't win that trip to Castle Anthrax>>: There was a contest?! Why wasn't I informed? <<Why do we have to hold these bags of spices?>>: "Luck, lieutenant." <<SUPER METROID!>>: I bought that one late too. <<N64: Nothing good enough>>: Clearly, you have not enjoyed the glory of Goldeneye. <>: Never thought I'd hear that phrase. <<13+ hours total play time, and I just got the Gravity Suit>>: Wuss. <<Even you would admit that having your way with a virgin can be refreshing>>: Only if she's hot. They suck in the sack. Unless they suck 8-) <<We need to show him wholesome movies>>: Never seen one, myself. <<Hydrogen>>: Do we have a viable hydrogen reactor? <<If successful in winning, I would pay 2-10x the amount I received from the investor, and if they invested $100,000K or more, I would give them a few free space flights>>: And what if your project never takes off? <<Which would you choose?>>: Bank on the rescue. <>: We are ;-) <<SUPPORT! Feels... good>>: Reminds me of the Simpson's episode where the kids learn to stand upright. <>: But what would have happened when they did?

Revel: <<had a test in my Beverages class,>>: Bartending school? <<You have your BS, MS, and PHD. Bull sh!t, More sh!t, and Piled High and Deep>>: Screw her. Some of us have to WORK for our degrees. <<you say it like it's a bad thing>>: I said nothing of the sort. I was just pointing out the logical flaw. <<They would have to get pass me first>>: You're almost as twiggy as I am 8-)

Hyperion: << think I'll miniaturize someone, put them in a tiny sub and inject them into my bloodstream to take the fight to the invading bacteria>>: What an original idea! <<From my cold, dead fingers>>: Caused by a gun ;-) <<Death is a infection now?>>: Its the only logical explanation. <<Are you ins suspense yet?>>: I'll tell you tomorrow.

Yggdrasil: <<Objects can be replaced>>: Not universally. <<left him my money>>: You're a disturbed individual...remind me to mug you sometime. <<aim for the centre mass>>: I'd aim for the kneecaps, but in all fairness they're harder to hit ;-)

The Question: They don't know. If they did, they would have posted it.

Dezi: <<got my dog some snow booties for Christmas>>: WHY?! <<Her little brother was gonna be the space monkey to test it out>>: LOL! The perfect use for a little brother. <>: Your mother stole that line from Full Metal Jacket...and smack her for saying it to you 8-) <<that doesn't mean my next logical step is to build a bridge over Lake Michigan>>: According to this idiot, it does. And you're fully qualified for it, too! <<Sorry dude, your teacher is a moron>>: No, just some kid in the discussion. Though the TA is a moron as well. And some of the profs. <<Eewww, Demona porn>>: Some people here like Demona porn. <<she's a fan of the Dell-dude, she finds him funny>>: He's an idiot and should be shot. <>: LOL. <<took me like a week to freakin' download it! Grrr.>>: I hate when that happens. Nothing worse than spending a week trying to get a huge movie and it turns out to suck. <>: I like that one!

Tony Elliot: <<This doesn’t concern you? Not the least bit of jealousy?>>: She's Cameron Diaz. He's in Indiana. Do the math. <<metric boatload of energy (quote Josh)>>: No, I said metric BUTTLOAD. :-) <<Damn, it would take a long time to get it going that fast with a megawatt engine>>: I stand correct.

Gside: <<You haven't learned by now that there is always someone like that?>>: I thought that by being a 4th year engineering student en route to grad school, I'd have avoided it. <<you didn't answer that question with "never.">>: Close enough. Never didn't apply. <<sleep through the class in class>>: I schedule my classes for late in the day so I don't have to do that. <<Would that mean that Lain corrupted Gunjack, or that they got married?>>: Who cares. <<Are you eating your fiber again?>>: And if he is, what does that have to do with posting regularly? <<at least I wouldn't get spanked, and the oral sex would make up for it>>: You'd get used to spanking. <<Smash>>: Retarded. <<the Zeldas didn't move you?>>: Zelda64 sucked. They took a perfectly good game and made it all 3-D. <<It didn't really impress my roomies>>: If they were so smart they wouldn't be living with you.

123. If I decide to hold a contest of skill open to the general public, contestants will be required to remove their hooded cloaks and shave their beards before entering.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 04:51:51 AM
IP: 64.168.30.4

Imzadi> <<because he's so damned stupid>>: You haven't learned by now that there is always someone like that? One of my roomies kept a count of one person's daily stupidities. I believe the record was 9.
<<Forever>>: See, you didn't answer that question with "never."
<<Students would rather have immediate gratification (sleeping through class) than long term payoff (not studying for midterms/finals)>>: See, what I do is sleep through the class in class, so if anything really important comes up, I have the option of waking up.
<<Busy F!@#$ING>>: Would that mean that Lain corrupted Gunjack, or that they got married?

Fire Storm> Two posts is two days. Are you eating your fiber again?
<<But for the most part, it will just be me, occasionally LM, and RARELY her sister>>: You can still have a good go with two. Recently, we randomly selected computer opponents and set ourselves to match them.
<<That's why I have LM AND her sister living with me!>>: And Lady Mystic approves of both of them being in the harem?
<<You had better, or else you won't win that trip to Castle Anthrax>>: Well, I was never that much into spanking, but at least I wouldn't get spanked, and the oral sex would make up for it.
<<Why do we have to hold these bags of spices?>>: You're right, it's too concentrated, but I can always mix it up later.
<<N64: Nothing good enough>>: Smash. And the Zeldas didn't move you?
<<13+ hours total play time, and I just got the Gravity Suit>>: Remember to scan so you can get over 74% and the medium ending, if you already aren't going for perfect.
<<barring that, Empire Records>>: It didn't really impress my roomies.

Hyperion> <<resolves to dig the books out of storage at some point in the future>>: Good.

Dezi> <<It took me like a week to freakin' download it!>>: May I laugh? I just picked up close to two gigs this evening.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 01:44:59 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Dezi
<but it is still a cool camara. It has only been used once (and that was like 20 years ago>
Sweeeet, vintage cameras. Pretty soon, you be digging up a turntable & buying vinyl at rummage sales :)
<I swear people in Indiana have no clue on this earth how to drive in snow! The entire city today acted like they had just gotten beamed from Florida or something and totally freaked out because they woke up to 5 measly inches of snow>
Same as in Milwaukee too. They always drive bad first snow of the season.

Ah, yes. Misery like company.
<Chalk up another on the tally against Indy. Just saw a commercial for "Don's Guns.">
We have some pretty tasteless crap on late night TV; but if this is aired during prime time, then I feel sorry for your fair city. Its been a few years since I’ve been thru Indy, but I always got the impression that the city was somewhat more sophisticated than Milwaukee. Is the “Original Pancake House” still there in Indy?
<My boyfriend has a thing for the blond one, so we have the dvd.>
This doesn’t concern you? Not the least bit of jealousy?
<He can only take 24 cds with him for entertainment>
If I may make a suggestion: get him an MP3-cd player (Phillips Expanium $140) Cram 10hrs of music on a CD instead of 1.25.

Yggdrasil
<If someone steals from me I won't like it, but it's no reason to kill someone. Objects can be replaced, lives cannot.>
All we need to do is send the crooks through rigorous philosophy courses so they can all think like you. That should solve all our problems.

Guardian, Josh
<A good point>
<Now THAT is good logic. You win.>
Thank you for the gracious words. BTW, if TGS wants to use this as an explanation, they have my full endorsement and permission.

Gside
<Catholics are notorious for instilling a sense of guilt.>
OIC

<Coyote the Bando>
<Just out of curiosity ... love to get some critiques ...>
I’m not an artist, and have only drawn a few things… Its better than my stuff. I like the style; its not the ever growing in popularity japaname style, but the good oll’ American comic style, yea USA. Characters are Gargoyles meets Captain America. There is definite sexiness to all of your fem characters, which is sometimes hard to capture with pen & paper.

Hyperion

Definitely takes a lot of juice to get it going that fast.
Lets say we get a 20kg probe up to 1/10 light speed:
Ek = 1/2 m v^2 kinetic energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity squared
Ek = 1/2 * 20 * 3*10^7 = 1,000,000,000,000,000 joules

Ok, thats a metric boatload of energy (quote Josh). Now lets say we had a mega watt engine accelerating it, aka 1300 horsepower. For comparison sake, that’s what’s in a 40 foot yacht.
If we had that big engine powering the probe, how long would it take to get it going that fast?
E = P*T Energy = power * time
1,000,000,000,000,000 joules / 1,000,000 w = 1,000,000,000 seconds
31,536,000 seconds / year
1,000,000,000 / 31,536,000 = 31 years
:( Damn, it would take a long time to get it going that fast with a megawatt engine. Practically, we could use a megawatt light source (laser) shooting high energy photons into a solar sail attached to the probe for 3 decades. Eh, lets just accelerate it with a nuclear explosion.
E=mc^2
1,000,000,000,000,000 / (3*10^8) = .01 kg of matter converted directly into energy.
So, maybe we could strap a mini Nuke on the back of the probe?

Death Hawk
Crap, I was hoping I was the only one in the CR from Wisconsin :(

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI, I can't think of anything funny to say this time about the cold city
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 01:02:43 AM
IP: 65.29.132.86

Hee Hee Hee. I was telling my dad some of the news homework that I've had at school lately. He got all excited and said he would call me back in a half hour. He did, to tell me that he had located a beta camara and would send it too me right away. Well, I got it today! Sucky part is that its a consumer model so it is incompatible with professional grade betas, but it is still a cool camara. It has only been used once (and that was like 20 years ago - I swear this thing is older than my brother! It was made in 1983. My brother was too, but in the later part). Modern beta tapes are also incompatible, but there's always ebay. My classmates still can't believe that I just came to school today carrying around a beta cam like it was just some other vhs. After my teacher gets done checking it out, I can't wait to mess around with it. I've never even seen one of the "classic" betas.
Grrrrrr. On another point, I swear people in Indiana have no clue on this earth how to drive in snow! The entire city today acted like they had just gotten beamed from Florida or something and totally freaked out because they woke up to 5 measly inches of snow! I ended up driving all over the place today (for newspaper photo stuff) even to places that I had never been to and had only a clue how to get there (but I am the fearless navigator and don't get lost) and my itty bitty little RIO had no problem. But lets see, I'm from n. Illinois. Winter snow is no biggy. In fact, people in my area expect it and look forward to it because with out it, the fields will be too dry in the spring. But I've only been driving for about 5 years. So what are all the excuses of all the adults (age 30 or older) out on the road this morning?
That and these people whine about snow. Whine worse than a kid that has to go to school in the morning. Ummm, its February? -But we want it to be 50 degrees- No, you don't get 50 degrees in February. You get 30 or lower. That way in April you can appreciate it more. Besides, its the fu*%ing mid west! They act like snowflakes have never graced their lawns in their lives and that snow in the midwest is a fluke!
*********Ok end rant. (sorry no prior warning. I was on a roll. I still don't like this place*******

My mom got my dog some snow booties for Christmas, but they were a size too small. So I figured 5in. of snow was a good reason to finally take them back today to get larger ones.
I put them on Dottie to get her used to them. She got really embarassed ('specially when we were outside and the basset hound from upstairs saw her). She would just lay around and if she had to walk, she would walk all disjointed like Scooby Doo. (not Snoopy! 8-) ). Yes I have finally taken them off of her out of mercy.

Aww geez. Chalk up another on the tally against Indy. Just saw a commercial for "Don's Guns." Hadn't seen this one in like a year. Thought the guy fell off the map. Anyway, this guy (Don, apparently) owns a gun store and advertizes the prices of his guns. He's not interested in making any money, he "just loves to sell guns". Guy kinda looks like Stonewall Jackson and Colonel Saunders love child. Last year, some car dealership actually had him endorse them in a commercial. *rolls eyes*. A Cyprian student that was at my school last year wanted to write an article in our paper about how stupid and weird this dude is. It was, as he put it, one of the many American things that completely baffled him.

Firestorm: My highschool friend always wanted to go into space. She's now going to school for aeronautics engineering (or something like that) in Chicago. But before she got to that plan, for a while she was trying to figure out how to build a ship out of an old washing machine and some Hinkley&Schmitt bottles. Her little brother was gonna be the space monkey to test it out. Ummm, didn't pan out though. Her mom didn't really want her youngest up in orbit.
<at Office Depot> It takes a "special" kinda person to get away with post-its and push pins. :)

Revel:<But then again their is always what my mother said, "You have your BS, MS, and PHD. Bull sh!t, More sh!t, and Piled High and Deep.> LOL. My mom likes to ask me how tall I am, out of the blue. I say 5'8, and she says Oh I didn't know they stack sh!t that high. Thanks mom.
<blind fold your brother and drop him off on the south side> Can we get my brother in on this. I promise my brother's shear stupidity will be entertaining on its own. If not his stupidity, his demise will either get the show an emmy, or at least some Nobel Prize for making the world a better place.

Imzadi:<I've installed cabinets, its the same thing.> Well, I can install decorative moulding, kitchen countertops, and retile a bathroom, that doesn't mean my next logical step is to build a bridge over Lake Michigan.('sides they got ferrys for that). Sorry dude, your teacher is a moron
<stories where Demona f*cks everyone > Eewww, Demona porn.
<Snoopy solved crimes?> MmmHmmm. Like I posted before: See 'It's a mystery, Charlie Brown.'
<I'm sure she saw the value in that > Oh yeah, she loved it. Luckily, I was relatively uninjured, and still able to do at least one of two highly important things: 1)Run like a demon pursued by holy-rollers. 2)Physically defend myself if apprehended by said holy-rollers. Or my mom.
<<Dude, you're gonna get cornholed>>: LOL! > I wanted to tell my gramma that one (she's a fan of the Dell-dude, she finds him funny) but I didn't want to explain to my GRAMMA what cornholed meant.

Kai: I finished downloading that Inuyasha movie 1 (the only one that wasn't divided into two parts-the rest were disc on and disc two). Turns out it was just some moron with a camcorder in a theatre and the guy couldn't sit still for hte life of him. I deleted it just cause it was horrible. It took me like a week to freakin' download it! Grrr.
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And now I will leave you with some quotes of letters from various "hoosiers" from the opinion page of the newspaper, regarding the space shuttle, or NASA:
*"We should be asking the serious questions: Are the benefits of the shuttle program work the costs?"
*"The Columbia loss, like that of the Challenger, can be traced back to Republican budget cuts."
*"I have a way to increase the NASA budget by billions of dollars without costing the taxpayers a dime: Stop all the foreign aid."
Oh yeah, and the opinion article next to all that blithered on and on about how the Columbia could have pulled up (parrellel parked?) to the ISS so that the ISS-nauts could look out the windows with binoculars to see any damage. Or they could have docked and disembarked (didn't we establisht that they didn't have the equipment to do that on this flight?) or they could just hang out up there till the Russians could rescue us. (?) Ok, have fun.

later
Dezi
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:53:02 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

When is the exact date for the debut of Bad Guys?
The Question
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:24:36 PM
IP: 216.170.210.200

Greetings

No time for a real post today.

Hyperion: Actually I'm not mistaken about England. In my post I made no reference to crime rates in any of the countries that I mentioned. I was merely referring to gun deaths. I looked at the references that you supplied as well as statistics from the Canadian Foreign Affairs office and found that crime has been on the rise in England (Although there was a 21% decrease in robbery last year). But I was correct in stating the level of deaths due to firearms was only about 1/70th of the USA per capita. Once again it is my own belief that human life is more important than material possessions. If someone steals from me I won't like it, but it's no reason to kill someone. Objects can be replaced, lives cannot.

I have been robbed before ... well the attempt was there. I was walking back to my car when I was approached by a man with a knife. He demanded my money and went to slash at me. Long story short I disarmed him by dislocating his shoulder, left him my money and walked away. If he was willing to harm me, he needed the money more than I did. People can defend themselves without resorting to lethal force, which is all an untrained person can do with a gun. Every pistol instructor I have spoken with has repeated the same mantra "aim for the centre mass". When combined with the natural tendency of the untrained to unload multiple rounds into a target, this is the same as turning the gun user into an executioner. If my attacker had not tried to injure me I would have given him my money without hesitation. People can defend themselves, but not at the cost of another life. If the options were restricted to my death or theirs, I chose to die. The reason for this is simple, it's my life, and as such it is my choice what to do with it. It is not my right to make that decision for another individual, regardless of the situation. A moral difference, but in my mind an important one.

Good Night

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 09:42:29 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

Still sick. Action will have to be taken soon.
I think I'll miniaturize someone, put them in a tiny sub and inject them into my bloodstream to take the fight to the invading bacteria.
It's audacious...but it just might work.
(No, I have not seen Antibody on SciFi. I imagine it's a poor remake of both Innerspace and Fantastic Voyage which preceded it. )

Yggdrasil><article> hmm, odd. To answer your question it was just a quote. I have yet to see the fill text of the speech. More ever I don't really care to. Moore's anti-gun bias is well publicized, as is the anti-gun slant to "Bowling"
<Gun deaths>Well, I certainly don’t' have the answer. It could be we're just a more violent culture. I know that the vast majority of firearms related deaths in the US are among black males 14-18, which is prime gangbanger age…
<England>Unfortunately you're very wrong about the current state of crime in England. Right now England has one of the highest crime rates in the western world, primarily due to the outright ban of all offensive weapons.
(http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1024578110380&p=1012571727132)
I've seen multiple reports to this effect, unfortunately it's kind of an "I told you so" among us pro-gunners. It's also an old argument and one that is no longer relevant to the anti-gun side. Sorry.

Gside><then go read the Dirk Gently books>*resolves to dig the books out of storage at some point in the future*

Josh><but if guns were abolished, I'd get over it>From my cold, dead fingers.
<immune system is strengthening itself for the infinite battle with death>What? Death is a infection now?
"What's Bill got?"
"Death."
"Damn, is he contagious?"
 Yeah, but when some foreign currency has American entertainers on it....(Sigfried and Roy…somewhere, I'm pretty sure. Still looking online)
<CIA can disavow knowledge of renegade actions> I just love how many renegade actions the CIA is supposed to be disavowing.
Conspiracy Theorist: Did you or did you not participate in awakening the Elder Gods of the Sunken City of R’yleh?
CIA: What? What are you talking about?
CT: I knew you'd disavow it!
CIA: WTF?

That’s all I have.
Maybe more later.
Maybe not.
Are you ins suspense yet?

*******************************************
"I was just surprised to see you, that's all. Do you know, that I was thinking about you just the other day. My extremely overpaid sources told me that you have been seen arriving here in a Vorlon transport. Now, they are profoundly unreliable pool of information on the best of days, so I said: 'No, it can not be her. The Vorlons do not pick up hitch-hikers. Not even one as attractive as you. Besides, if it were you, surely you would come by and say hello to your old friend, Londo.'
Hyperion
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 01:02:14 PM
IP: 151.199.239.136

Hyperion: <Unfortanately, the religion as a whole losses points when they refuse to speak aginst morons that are twisting the religion into an excuse for killing innocents.>
This is true.
<Yeah, it's beefy>
Mmm... Beefy!

Gside: <And get SSBMelee. Very much worth it, especially if you can regularly get 2-4 people at one time.>
But for the most part, it will just be me, occasionally LM, and RARELY her sister
<Because everyone should have a harem>
Most definitely! That's why I have LM AND her sister living with me! ;)
<Ill get there, I'll get there.>
You had better, or else you won't win that trip to Castle Anthrax!
<You still need to add a few spices to get it right>
"Umm... sir? Why do we have to hold these bags of spices?"

Imzadi: <really!? Sweet! How can I sign up?>
Well, I was at Meijers looking at the Gameboy Advanced and I picked up a few game pads for my PC (normally $25 each, but the first one rang up for $1.75, so I grabbed another one.)
I took this out to the car and grabbed a flyer on my way out: The Gamecube was on sale for $100 until Midnight. (Time: 11:50PM). SO... I went for it. (Black. They were out of the platinum). When they rang it up, the cashier said "There's an extra 10% off for everything in your cart".
SO... I got a Gamecube for $90, then I went to Blockbuster (Gotta love that open to 1AM on Fridays!) and the rest is history!
<That is the only reason for me to buy a GameCube. Zelda III was the reason I bought SuperNES, and MarioKart64 was the reason I bought N64. >
SuperNES: Didn't have the money at the time, so later I got ROMs (SUPER METROID!)
N64: Nothing good enough.
<Every system has ONE game that alone makes it worth the cost>
Exception: Xbox
I REALLY want Halo, Halo 2, Panzer Dragoon, Mech Warrior, and a few others, but I will be damned if I am going to spend $200+ for a frigging 700mhz P3

LOL!
<Satan will be thrilled>
Yeah, Bush is pretty happy! ;)
<how far along are you?>
13+ hours total play time, and I just got the Gravity Suit

And virgins! Even you would admit that having your way with a virgin can be refreshing, eh? ;)
<You're a technology prima donna? Hate those>
It's REAL easy when your department is full of people that would be calling IN for support. One of the guys can barely use a VCR, one of the (former) female employees could barely use WINDOWS, and the rest, if they know what they are doing, sure as hell don't show it.
<We've got save that boy, quickly>
Definitely! We need to show him wholesome movies... or, barring that, Empire Records
<The energy required to move it goes up linearly with mass (we're adding fuel weight). Do we have fuel that can "make up" the difference?>
Hydrogen (accelerated to near relative velocities either by a fusion reactor OR a standard linear particle accelerator)
<And it wouldn't stop>
Turn the ship around, repeat
<They'd need MASSIVE retrorockets to control their descent even a little>
Here's the beauty of my design: Use the main rockets for breaking. Save some fuel for re-entry, slow the craft down to a relative (to ground point) standstill, allow gravity to take you down (speed would be theoretically less than Mach 2), use aerobreaking around 80-60K feet, turn on the turbo fans at 50-40K, land at the nearest airport.
Large, delta wing aircraft, inverse bell nozzle rocket (efficient at ALL altitudes, unlike standard bell curve rockets, which are efficient only between 40-100K feet), turbo fan engines (two, each one seals it's self up and pressurizes so it won't get damaged in the vacuum of space), large cargo bay, fuel tanks on the side of the cargo bay, etc, etc.
One of these days, I am going to post an eBay listing to get help financing my bid for the X-Prize (If successful in winning, I would pay 2-10x the amount I received from the investor, and if they invested $100,000K or more, I would give them a few free space flights (At a time later, and only on a previously scheduled flight (Cargo, passenger transport, long duration, etc.)
The interesting thing about my idea is that it could be efficient to deliver stuff to low OR high orbit, or even for a REALLY quick trans-continental flight. Fuel would be Hydrogen and Oxygen (so having a site in the Bahamas would give the benefit of low taxes, access to sea water (the best to split water), AND high solar availability for the solar panels to power the separation. (GIVEN, V1.0 would be a Gulfstream sized craft capable of carrying 3 people total and limited cargo capability (considering later marketing it towards corporate buyers), and would probably be powered by hydrogen or kerosene (depending on price of fuel and containment system), but it could reach the 62 mile mark set by the X-Prize committee, while commercial variant 1.0 would be roughly 747 sized and able to carry shuttle-worthy cargo)
Ok... so I have REALLY thought this through. This is my dream. Dragon defend anyone who gets in my way.
<You know she's a chocolate whore>
Absolutely! Give her Godiva (the robot AND the chocolate) and she is in heaven!

Why thank you. I fully intend on reaching it too, one way or another. (Best financial viability if done within 5-10 years, though)
<It stains just as well, but doesn't have the same zesty flavor>
Which is why they carry the spice bags!
<Sounds expensive, but doable>
But would they have done that?
<Boy would that suck>
Oh yeah. Which would you choose?

Revel: <If you can make it to space, I'll be the first one to cheeryou on, never stop dreaming bro>
Thank you! I am COMPLETELY amazed at the positive responses I have gotten lately about this (LM told her co-workers). Hell, I never told anyone outside LM because I was afraid they would laugh at me. (Let them find out AFTER I do it)
But dang... SUPPORT! Feels... good!

I remember my days at Office Depot. I could have literally walked away with half the store and they wouldn't realize it for months!

The X-Prize is a contest for the first person (or non-governmental corporation) to send a reusable craft into orbit twice within a two week span.
The prize for this is $10,000,000, which would absolutely help fund the later projects of mine (Commercial Variant v1.0, Orbital Station v1.0, etc)
Fire Storm - [<--- The X Prize]
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:51:50 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

So far so good. Keeping all my projects up and had a test in my Beverages class, was pretty easy. I have a crit today at 11 on the second painting and some more carving to do for print and finally on Friday I get to finish and file degree plan so I can be done next May. That will be a great day indeed. Will have to focus on all other aspects of my life. *Cuddles and kisses Spacebabie*

Josh- I'd like to figure if you spent all that money to become an engineer, 4 year B of S that there would be no flaws sice you did spend all that money. But then again their is always what my mother said, "You have your BS, MS, and PHD. Bull sh!t, More sh!t, and Piled High and Deep.
<<Doesn't say anything about being innocent>> But you say it like it's a bad thing }:) <<Yes, well, in your case he could be a foot away and still doing it >> They would have to get pass me first.

Robby LIVES!

Heather- I hate dentist.

Silverbolt- Actually took the propane keep home over Christmas when I worked at Builders Square, I could have taken a few tanks and they never would have known bwa ha ah ha... except I'm not that stupid or bad.

Spacebabie- You know what would make a great reality show, lets blind fold your brother and drop him off on the south side of Miami or something and see what happens. <<Unless it made my breasts shrink. >> Can't have that. *Smooch*

Fre Storm- If you can make it to space, I'll be the first one to cheeryou on, never stop dreaming bro. <> naw I draw pretty pictures ^_^

"I want you, I need you, oh baby, oh baby."
-Cat Stratford, Ten Things I Hate about You-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:30:27 AM
IP: 129.120.173.67

Just read it...

I swear, this guy MUST be practicing to win a Darwin award!
FIre Storm - [<--- STUPID criminal!]
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:56:51 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

This finite element class is really starting to piss me off. Three hours meeting with the TA today and even HE couldn't figure out the homework. Making a dent, but I still wouldn't say its halfway done. And its due Thursday. I'll never figure out how people can wait until the night before to do the homework, when its worth 30% of the class grade.

Some guy in my history discussion is really pissing me off, because he's so damned stupid. Today we were talking about engineering and managerial causes of engineering disasters, and he started talking about how there is no difference between an engineering decision and a managerial decision. The dialogue went like this:

Him: "I don't understand why those should be different, engineers are perfectly capable of making decisions."
Me: "Obviously you've never worked in an engineering firm."
Him: "I've installed cabinets, its the same thing."

INSTALLED CABINETS!? I've never felt so insulted. How dare he compare some trivial home repair that can be done by anyone with a how-to book to designing, testing, and approving a part with near-zero tolerances on a multi-million dollar project, requiring no less than a four-year degree just to understand the principles behind the part!

Message to non-engineers: stop taking technology for granted, and stop blaming us when it isn't perfect.

Patrick: <>: Fair enough. <<there are just as many who wrote for TGS who have the opposite opinion>>: Perhaps, but they are known for writing lots of stories where Demona f*cks everyone 8-) <<crime-solving cartoon dog came along>>: Snoopy solved crimes?

Todd: <<you seem to have mixed Scooby Doo up a bit with Snoopy (who was already around in 1965, since the "Peanuts" strip began in 1950>>: Good, I wasn't the only one who thought he missed something.

Dezi: <<That day is practically a holiday in my house>>: Cool house. <>: I'm sure she saw the value in that 8-)

Fire Storm: <<Got a Gamecube for $90 (New, retail)>>: really!? Sweet! How can I sign up? <<Metroid Prime (I am SO going to buy the game!>>: That is the only reason for me to buy a GameCube. Zelda III was the reason I bought SuperNES, and MarioKart64 was the reason I bought N64. Every system has ONE game that alone makes it worth the cost. <<playing Metroid Fusion ROM's on my PC>>: Also a good game. <<The US launched 35 nuclear weapons at targets in Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as a preemptive strike>>: I read this sentence before I read the sentence saying it was a nightmare. Boy was I freaked out, thinking "what did I miss?! I went to class, no one said anything about nuclear war!" <<the right religion: Catholic>>: Satan will be thrilled. <<5 hours of Metroid Prime>>: how far along are you? <<Laughed for a few minutes straight in the shower the other day>>: Have you ever woken up laughing? I did that once, and when I stopped later to think about what was so funny, I couldn't imagine why I ever thought that was funny. <<do they WANT us to nuke them?>>: Probably, something about pointing out our evil and hypocrisy or some such. <<it's your turn to bring refreshments to the next meeting>>: I demand cold beers. <<It helps when you act like a friggin loon, BUT you are the best in your department!>>: You're a technology prima donna? Hate those. <<You haven't seen Empire Records? GO RENT IT! NOW>>: We've got save that boy, quickly. <<your dead! What do you care?>>: Yeah but he'd be in hell. <<Can't find a parking space for a Cube anywhere near here>>: Where does an 800-lb gorilla sit? Anywhere he wants. Fitting here. <<Kidding! Kill him! Everyone at once!>>: "Shoot to wound!" <<at 1g, it would only take a few months (Yeah, a lot of fuel>>: The energy required to move it goes up linearly with mass (we're adding fuel weight). Do we have fuel that can "make up" the difference? <<if you take the current ion technology used for satellites, a few pounds of fuel could get it up to .1C, but it would take several years>>: And it wouldn't stop ;-) <<to make the re-entry powered, so they can come in slower, which is safer (a realistic approach>>: They'd need MASSIVE retrorockets to control their descent even a little. <<eating bon-bons>>: You know she's a chocolate whore. <<but because if I do it right, it will be financially viable. THAT, and I REALLY want to>>: I am proud to know someone like you. Honestly. You have a dream, a goal that doesn't suck and isn't vain, and a way to reach it. Go you. <<BUT it is a great way to make spaghetti sauce>>: It stains just as well, but doesn't have the same zesty flavor. <<PULL!>>: LOL! <<Send another shuttle up to rescue the crew and scuttle the shuttle in orbit, possibly for a later repair?>>: Sounds expensive, but doable. <<they had a choice of dieing in orbit because they couldn't get another shuttle up there to rescue them in time, or try their luck on coming in>>: Boy would that suck.

Hyperion: <>: I just figure its one of the side effects, proof that my immune system is strengthening itself for the infinite battle with death 8-) <>: LOL. <<"real Money" and "not that Monopoly crap">>: I heard similar comments when they started switching to the new US bills. <<ha!>>: Excellent point. <>: LOL again. <<which is the fastest a human has ever gone>>: We should shoot one faster. Preferably Bill Gates. <<who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody>>: HAHAHAH I can't believe someone actually said that in public! <<the religion as a whole losses points when they refuse to speak aginst morons that are twisting the religion into an excuse for killing innocents>>: I agree. You'd think if the CIA can disavow knowledge of renegade actions, a religion could do the same.

Death Hawk: Forever.

Spacebabie: <>: Yes, well, in your case he could be a foot away and still doing it ;-) <<technically I’m still innocent>>: No, you're still a virgin. Doesn't say anything about being innocent. <>: Just wait till you have kids. <>: Um...no. <<he would greatly disappoint himself>>: Why? I've never heard any complaints before.

Barracuda: <<Dude, you're gonna get cornholed>>: LOL! <<the irony is, I own a Dell.>>: Why is that ironic?

Yggdrasil: <<If any section in the chapter was quoted without that context, the whole book could be made to sound pro-Nazi, couldn't it?>>: True, but if they were smart they'd have titled the section SOMETHING ELSE. <<The only use for a gun is the willful termination of the life of another individual>>: I love target shooting, but if guns were abolished, I'd get over it.

Coyote: Looks good!

Gside: <<My that's a large clip you have there>>: All the better to put holes in you with. <<Makes one wonder why classes tend to only contain a third of the registered students>>: Students would rather have immediate gratification (sleeping through class) than long term payoff (not studying for midterms/finals). <<everyone should have a harem>>: Especially me. <<You'd better check up on your exponentials (and e), if you want to deal with compound interest>>: Good point. <<Haven't seen them on AIM lately>>: Busy F!@#$ING.

122. The gun turrets on my fortress will not rotate enough so that they may direct fire inward or at each other.
...MACBETH!
Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 03:01:30 AM
IP: 64.168.30.4

Robby >> Yeah, I'm continuing to check on various sources.

It definitely seems like buying first-run domestics in Japan is a worse deal than in America. Of course, you could also just as easily have taped the episodes off of television, assuming you lived and Japan and were paying attention at the time.

Which leads to the method behind the madness according to my resident source living in Japan on university grants at the moment. The Japanese Otaku insist on highest quality collectors edition releases. While anyone can tape the show off the television, such tapes have no collectors value.

Domestic releases, while being the most official, collectable, and prestigeous, are also the most expensive when it comes to anything in Japan, because the local Japanese market is so small. You have to realize that it is a rare anime indeed that makes international release.

The probability is so slim that the animation companies must plan to recoup all their production expenses on the domestic release. Hence, the Japanese domestic prices are outrageous.

Once something makes an International Release, however, it is all gravy. The only costs on those units are subtitling, media copying, packaging, shipping, and promotion. Chicken feed. The bulk of the money paid on each international sale is pure profit for someone.

In most cases, it is a company like Tokyopop. There are maybe at best a handful of large distributors in the market who simply make a take-it-or-leave-it offer to the japanese company to knock-off their product at a rate of $X a Disc. They lowball the original company terribly, but it is the best offer the japanese company's are going to get, and it _is_ just extra profits - free money is still free money.

The secondary producer has much lower costs, and sets the prices as high as they can get away with. They effectively skim the bulk of the producing company's gravy from an international release.

So, basically, the prices we see in America are lower than Japan's for a good reason. The cost of Interntational, subtitled versions of anime DVDs are a paltry fraction of what it cost to make the original Japanese release. The prices are as high as they are based, not on market factors, but arbitrarily set by an Oligarchy / Monopoly configuration of distribution channels.

Releases of Inuyasha in America should go for a fair market value of around $5 an episode to give a tidy profit to all parties involved. Subtitle-only releases should be even less epensive. Instead, prices are set almost twice as high as they would be in a non-Monopolistic market.

Essentially, a few companies have been engaged in price-fixing to keep the prices artificially high, much like any cartel. I don't know if I want to encourage that, but I'll definitely throw my money behind any official retail release that pushes against the boundaries of artificial price-fixing (Beserk, Weiss Kreuz).

I'm just an evil, free-market capitalist scumbag. What can I say?

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:59:19 AM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Imzadi> <<More than that and it starts to get expensive>>: And noticable. "My that's a large clip you have there."
<<That's what they all say>>: Because it's so very true.
<<Studying is much harder and more nerve-wracking then just going to class>>: Makes one wonder why classes tend to only contain a third of the registered students.

Patrick> <<the dumbest anime ever created... "Fighting Foodons.">>: Makes one wish they'd broadcast Hikaru No Go over here. About time there was a show based on a real game, not a game created for the show.

Dezi> <>: To fight it, I suggest finding either Happiness or some of the Vince Guaraldi catalog.

Fire Storm> <>: And get SSBMelee. Very much worth it, especially if you can regularly get 2-4 people at one time.
<<Nope. Mormon>>: Because everyone should have a harem.
<<the "That is SO wrong... but I can't tear my eyes away!" site, eh?>>: Pretty much.
<<Oh, so it is DEFINITELY porn, eh?>>: Actually, no, but it generates a respectable amount.
<<It helps when you act like a friggin loon, BUT you are the best in your department!>>: I hope to do the same, eventually.
<<You haven't seen Empire Records? GO RENT IT! NOW!>>: Ill get there, I'll get there.
<<it is a great way to make spaghetti sauce>>: You still need to add a few spices to get it right.

Hyperion> <<I've never even heard of Gently's theorem>>: Then go read the Dirk Gently books.

Spacebabie> <<Of course there is oxygen in the bathroom>>: Not of any significant concentration close to the bathtub.
<<Unless it made my breasts shrink>>: They tend to be quality curses.
<>: You'd better check up on your exponentials (and e), if you want to deal with compound interest.
<<If Lain could part herself from Gunjack for five minutes>>: Haven't seen them on AIM lately.

Robby> <<Releasing 5 at a time would result in catching up with the manga in short order in Japan or Stateside>>: I wouldn't mind catchin up, even if it does mean a slow down in the release schedule.
<<buy at least some of the commercial release if you like the show>>: I'm working on it, really. I think I'll go fr Jubei Chan after I finish off Tylor, then maybe Love Hina. And I should accelerate once I actually get a job.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:49:37 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Kai- Fair enough, my memory mislead me. The Inu Yasha DVDs in Japan generally go for about 46 bucks for three episodes. I was thinking of the fact that japanese DVDs go as high as 70 bucks for only 75 minutes of running time.
http://www.animenation.net/news/askjohn.php?id=598
Or click my name. Gives some examples of the pricing differences between the US and the Japanese market. Its generally not that extreme, but the Japanese version generally is a good bit more expensive.
My point is not that I think the Inu Yasha DVD marketing scam is a good thing, but that compared to the Japanese DVDs, which are more expensive and not bilingual, its actually a better deal. (Its not a good enough deal that *I'M* buying any of them tho. I'm just saying I'm not complaining cause its better than the Japanese version.) If you're getting large quantity compilations with 9 eps a disk (and some of my friends do, like with Berserk), its most likely a Chinese bootleg ripping the actual thing to make a quick and cheap profit. After all, more for less DOES seem like a good deal. (ANd who am I kidding, it is. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.) One thing to consider is, the quality won't be quite as good the more material you pack on. (WHich is why having multiple commentaries or languages is usually avoided past 3 or 4 on any DVD cause it starts screwing with the quality. Or so claims the Vampire Hunter D 2 movie...) The fact is, there is still a market for the 3 ep a disk set, and its horrible evil marketing ploy also employed by Dragonball. Anime is a niche market populated with obsessed freaks. I should know I have everything Lupin related I can get my hands on. The tradeoff is tho, when you just buy the bootlegs and don't support the American version at all, you send the wrong message that you don't want that product at ALL. The least you could do if you like a series is to buy the DVD with an episode you really like or something to show some market support. Hell, I could have gotten all of Love Hina for 30 bucks, but I bought every frikkin' last one of the American ones because its a good series and I support it. Ditto with Berserk. Nothing wrong with getting the cheaper bootlegs when your on a budget or its not out stateside yet, but if you do like the show you should show some sort of stateside support.

And I don't really believe much of what I just said, but if I like a series, I do get the commercial version generally. Tho with Lupin and DBZ, I'm only getting the movies I like, screw the Lord Slug movie, bleh. I'm not getting all the one I found out sucked thru fansub.) I really have no point in arguing with you cause I agree with you, mostly I'm just making the point the the Inu Yasha DVD's *could* be worse and be like the Japanese release with just the local language and a higher price. So the Japs have it worse than us. (And again, the main reason they do that with Inu Yasha is so the DVDs don't get ahead of the show and manga, since that is for the moment, an indefinate series. 26 ep series with no intention to go further can be organized differently. Or it could be Evangelion, where they're trying every trick in the book to get fans to keep buying it.) Inu Yasha DVDs could very easily be better, but it could be worse and be like the Japanese version. (But with only three eps apiece, I'm not getting it. I prefer the manga anyway.)

Anyway, now that I've argued a point I only sorta believe in, I go back to lurk mode.

*Huggles Heather on the way out*
Robby
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:07:05 AM
IP: 152.163.205.53

Just out of curiosity ... love to get some critiques ...

Click the link. :)
Coyote the Bando
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, February 10, 2003 11:56:51 PM
IP: 66.103.234.134

Robby>> I went to check a few sources online just to cross-reference. I found the DVDs I saw at GenCon for sale online.

The $70 retail price for Inuyasha in Japan is for Inuyasha Part I (or Part II or Part III etc.) Each "Part" box for Inuyasha is THREE Discs. The first "Part" btw, is episodes 1-25.

$305 is the going rate for full retail subtitled, imported Inuyasha parts 1-5. That comprises the first 90 episodes.

305 / 90 = $3.39 per episode at full retail.
3 episodes X $3.39 = $10.17
$29.99 - 10.17 = $19.82 / 3 = $6.61 / episode mark-up over retail subtitles

I'm not paying $6.61 an episode for tracks of crappy English VA's and bad American-version packaging. That's just a rip-off scam. I'll buy imports, thank you, preferably at a wholesaler discount if I can avoid those annoying Gray Market products. But even at full retail price, imported, it would be less of a joke then the current scam the American distributors are running.

I'm afraid I'm not spoiled here, but rather, unused to people so blatantly trying to take advantage of me.
Kaioto
Monday, February 10, 2003 11:51:22 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Robby > Hm ... thanks for the information. It doesn't jive with my experiences with the product before the American release when I was scouting Retail Import prices. All I know is that I could buy 9 DVD's imported Retail comprising 27 episodes of Inuyasha in mono-lingual Japanese with optional English subtitles back at GenCon this year for $180. That's $20 a DVD, Retail Import.

That doesn't jive with the $70 per DVD figure you're quoting me to buy the product locally in a country where it aired on television for free. The only ways I can reconcile these figures are that A.) you are wrong B.) I didn't understand what you said C.) the importer is selling at a loss D.) the Hong Kong / Taiwan "gray market" effect. I gave the box-sets a good looking over, though. They didn't have any of the typical signs of knock-off products.

However, even if that pricing was abberant, I do find the circumstances still disconcerting:

The episodes of Inuyasha in question have been put on the air in America and Japan. I could/can view them on satellite television or cable TV. I can video tape them myself without buying them on DVD. What's the point?

The media used to distribute the episodes (DVD) is being artificially under-utilized in order to exploit prices that were acceptable when they were dictated by VHS capacity. Additionally, the venture risk and overhead have decreased. Other, smaller firms are able to move comparable products at prices that more accurately reflect the market.

That price for 3 episodes on 1 DVD is no longer reasonable. I won't be satisfied with an expectation to pay it. I'd rather wait to pick it up en-masse or used. If nothing else, I'll move around the retail sale and use wholesaler contacts. Either way, I refuse to encourage such artificial prices in the retail market.

Either get with the program (100-150 minutes of run time per DVD) or get out of the market. Don't try to patch up the damn of artificially inflated prices for 3 episode Discs. Of course, Nintendo would also like us to believe that it is illegal to buy used video games.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Boston, MA, USA
Monday, February 10, 2003 11:27:12 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Heather: <Sorry this is totally Off-topic but this only happens once and ever blue moon...>
::FS looks around in disbelief::
There's a topic to get off of?
Fire Storm
Monday, February 10, 2003 10:06:37 PM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Greetings;

Hyperion: I wasn't able to open the article regarding Moore's racial slur. Was the complete transcript of his speech given, or was this just a quotation in the article. I only ask this because things have to be taken in context. Moore has used the "white man fear" angle many times in his writings, but they in themselves are not racist comments. They are used more as analogies. Unfortunately without a transcript of the speech to provide context to the comment it is just a disembodied statement devoid of real value.

One thing that the media often forgets is the importance of context. Anytime I hear a direct quotation I never believe what is said about it unless I can gain access to the primary source and read the whole article for myself. For example a textbook that a friend of mine was using for a paper had a section stating, "Why the Nazi's were right.". Inside of this section were writings on the mindset of the German people during WWII. If any section in the chapter was quoted without that context, the whole book could be made to sound pro-Nazi, couldn't it?

Without access to the whole speech one quotation, taken out of context can be made to represent any belief that the writer wants. This is why extreme care should be taken with editorials.

On a final note, regardless of your opinion of the movie and your stance on firearms, I still find it hard to understand why the United States, even correcting for population has 10 times the number of firearm related deaths when compared to Canada, a country with a comparable number of guns (different types, as most of our weapons are for hunting and not personal defense). The number gets even grimmer when we look at European countries like England. After correcting for population the number is more like 70 times more deaths. This is where I feel the point of the movie lay. It wasn't so much an anti gun movie as it was asking why do so many people die from gun violence in the United States when other countries seem to have better control of the issue.

I have my own feelings about this. I don't feel that anyone should be able to have pistols in their home. The only use for a gun is the willful termination of the life of another individual. Most pistols cannot be used for hunting; as such their primary design is to kill humans. People can argue about morality and self-defense until their blue in the face and nothing will change. I have my own feelings; I'm fortunate that I live in a region where I have no need for a gun (since I don't hunt I don't even need a rifle). If however you wish to engage in some friendly debate on the issue, please feel free to e-mail me as this shouldn't tie up the CR. I always love a good exchange of thoughts, just remember ... no hitting.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Monday, February 10, 2003 09:32:40 PM
IP: 129.97.24.57

Sorry this is totally Off-topic but this only happens once and ever blue moon...

*pounces on Robby* Robby-san!

*tackles him out of the CR*
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Monday, February 10, 2003 08:50:25 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Kai- I'm gonna have ta argue with you on the Inu Yahsa DVDs. I initially complained about the fact that it was just 3 eps a DVD for 30 bucks while other series have more per disk, but I'v efound out stuff since then and you know what? Berserk is a limited, 25 episode series targeted towards a limited niche market. (Despite being a fantastic series, only Otaku are going to see it.) It has 5 a disk policy because any other release would lopside the ep count. (As is, I have the tape bootleg, my friend had the DVD bootleg, and we're still getting the domestic release just cause its so good). I have three different version of Castle of Cagliostro, all for various reasons. Slayers in a DVD boxed set for dirt cheap? Thats cause it had already been on tape for five YEARS before the DVD release and they were targetting a rebuy market, (so that hardcore fans would REBUY the collection they already have on tape in order to consolidate space, basically) not first time sales. And here's the biggy. Thats 30 dollar price on the Inu Yasha DVDs? The japanese disks, *IN JAPAN*, not imported, (so the import cost is not a price factor) when you translate the yen rate to dollars, cost *70* bucks a disk, still with only three episodes, without being bilingual, while the show was on Japanese television. And this is a Japanese STANDARD. 3 eps a tape or disk, high price. The American market actually gets it cheap. Inu Yasha is going to be a very long running series, Takehashi series are. Releasing 5 at a time would result in catching up with the manga in short order in Japan or Stateside. As is, by episode 30, its ALREADY ahead of the American release of the manga which has been going for like 3 years now. Its a matter of pacing the release to not get ahead of the material (lest they have to at one point wait 7 months between DVDs like they do on Ranma now...) But the biggy about your complaint I point to is, the JAPANESE DISK, with LESS content, SEVENTY bucks. I don't work in the anime insudtry specifically, but the area I am in, not to mention, my natural interests, make me keep track of this sort of thing. You think 3 eps a disk for the price is bad? You've just been completely spoiled. (And I'm not even going to go into how buying bootlegs just harms the American market, thats a completely different essay... Its why it took so long to get decent DBZ and we're never going to get Kodocha here... Nothing wrong with the bootlegs if you're eager to see something, as long as you buy at least some of the commercial release if you like the show.)
Robby
Monday, February 10, 2003 08:24:34 PM
IP: 64.12.107.152

Spacebabie> It turned out fine. I had to stay home from school again today because of the medicine. :P

Did I hear Berserk? Knight Hunters? *jumps in delight* You know I can't believe that the english VA who plays GUTTS (Grr you Gatts fans) is also the new Yohji VA. I like the old one better!

Niow!
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Monday, February 10, 2003 08:00:17 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Okay, today I did the stupidist thing that any student could do to a teacher... I took their car keys home in my pocket!

During my art lesson she told me to go get some card she had brought from home out of her car. I put the keys in my pocket as i carried the card back to class... and then i forgot to give her them back... I didn't realise I had them until she rang me up and told me! GAH! I felt like such an idiot! It was the first time I wished I had got a chocolate bar from the machine, because then I would have remembered I had the stupid things in there! GAH! GAH! *slaps himself on the head* thank god my teacher had a sense of humour!
Silverbolt
Monday, February 10, 2003 05:57:22 PM
IP: 81.131.146.174

Briana Garcia has delivered a lovely early Valentine -- Timedancer Brooklyn and Sata having a little smooch!
Spike
Monday, February 10, 2003 05:06:32 PM
IP: 65.71.253.88

<<HAHAHA justice at last! The dell dude in jail! Click my name.>> Heh heh heh, "Dude, you're gonna get cornholed." But the irony is, I own a Dell. Hmmm...
The Barracuda
B.C., Canada
Monday, February 10, 2003 03:43:14 PM
IP: 208.181.156.210

HAHAHA justice at last! The dell dude in jail! Click my name.
Josh
Monday, February 10, 2003 03:37:17 PM
IP: 64.170.154.194

Finally chicken! Well I have been eating a lot of seafood, salmon, scallops, clam chowder.

Went to the Mall of Millenia yesterday aka the new mall. It was okay I guess. It does have a Macy’s a Neiman Marcus and a Bloomingdales…so I won’t have to check those stores out at the gathering. I’m not too impressed with it. I guess I like the Florida Mall better. Already I can picture my snobby brother calling the FM the ghetto mall. Hey moron unless you start making your own money soon all you will be able to shop in would be thrift stores.

Replies:

Gside<<<Partially because I'm not sure there was any oxygen in there. >>>Of course there is oxygen in the bathroom.<<<Spring of drowned girl.>>>Oh that one. That’s the one I wouldn’t mind falling into that one…Unless it made my breasts shrink.

Bud Claire<<<It's also possible that the shaman pulled a fast one>>>That is true.<<<Too much information>>>Sorry.

Josh<<<She did notice that guy copping a feel>>>Well I would too.<<<So?>>>So technically I’m still innocent.<<<You know that computer you type on? Without math, it wouldn't exist.>>>This reminds me of The Breakfast Club. Okay Math is useful for engineers, but I have no use for it…well I don’t have any use for all those complex formulas(( And you have to do all the steps for homework to solve them, even when I got the right answers with shortcuts they still wanted me to do the long way. What a waste of time an paper…uh sorry)) I know how to multiply, divide, add and subtract. I can do negatives. I know how to use a calculator. I know the math that I need when it comes down to the important stuff….Money!<<<I'm not that flexible.>>>I take it you are not a gargoyle

DPH<<<Instead of memorizing formulas, students are learning how to use their calculators to solve homework problems. All that this is teaching is dependency on technology. This is basically the dumbing down of classrooms.>>>In my math classes in high school were allowed to use them…this is like this thing I read. Around the early 1800’s some teachers complained about the dumbing down the classrooms because students were using their own slate boards and chalk…and as time went by it progressed to paper, different kinds of pencils, pens all the way up to calculators.

Question<<<Why don't you go fuck yourself?>>>Because he would greatly disappoint himself ;)

Dezi<<>>Check with Warpy

Heather<<>>I hope everything turns out okay. I hate dental surgery myself.

Death Hawk>>>Welcome to the CR please strap yourself in and relax. Oh we will be taking your sanity now. Episodes of Bad Guys will coming soon…If Lain could part herself from Gunjack for five minutes.

((Yawn)) No quote today…not in the mood
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Monday, February 10, 2003 03:17:30 PM
IP: 64.156.103.78

Hay everyone. I've been visiting this web site for months now, how long do we have to waite before new episodes are posted?
Death Hawk
WI, USA
Monday, February 10, 2003 01:23:36 PM
IP: 64.91.86.150

No, nothing profound to spout off right now. Move along. :)

Dezi > re: Inuyasha

Yes, the Japanese w/ Subtitles is far, far superior. That's a sad fact, btw, considering how good the Supporting English Voice Actors are in that series compared to the norm. The only problem is that the two Main Character English Voice Actors are terrrible - utterly terrible. Darn it, when you get run through in the arm, and the Japanese VA screams so loud the it rattles the entertainment center, the English VA sure as Hell better not whimper "ouch."

You know how annoyed we in the CR get when they gimped parts of Gargoyles or Dragonball? Imagine the dubbed over Keith David's voice in Gargoyles because they thought it was "too dark" or something. grrrr ... I'm not bitter, not at all ...

I was very enthusiastic about the American release of Inuyasha right up until the product was released. Terrible primary VAs. The DVDs that you could actually get the subtitled version? 3 episodes to a disc. Forget it. You want to try that scam, you deserve the piracy it encourages.

Just for a comparision, I have a boxed set of the original Slayers DVDs. 26 episides. 4 Bilingual Discs. 4 DVDS. That's an average of 6.5 episodes a DVD.

Knight Hunters (Wiess Kruez) and Beserk? 4-6 episodes a DVD, with loads of extra features.

And people try to get away with 3 episodes on a DVD ... while it is running on Cable!!? Idiots. And I'm sure they'll blame a lack of demand rather than admit to their own sales & marketing screw ups. They'll eventually wise-up and meet the capacity of the medium, but by that time, they'll have abandonned any efforts to revisit the license - destroying the retail life of a number of good titles. I hate how business works some days. * sigh *

I was taping the English versions on CN for a while before the VA's got on my nerves. Dezi, if you could email me any information about getting subtitled Japanese language versions of what's currently running on television for Inuyasha, I'd appreciate the info.

Heck, if they've got a better compression rate on subtitled DVDs for retail import, I'd be interested.
Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Monday, February 10, 2003 01:03:26 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Todd > Thanks... I realized I'd misread Dezi's post just as I was heading out the door. I must have seen "Scooby" instead of "Snoopy" due to having won a bet once with someone that the lyrics were NOT "Hang on Scooby" as they were singing. I've heard that song mis-sung both ways... as "Hang on Snoopy" and "Hang on Scooby." But as you pointed out... the correct chronology is Snoopy ("Peanuts") in 1950 before "Sloopy" in 1965. And Scooby... he didn't come along until 1969.
Patrick Toman
Monday, February 10, 2003 12:13:17 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

I hate being sick. Mainly because it makes me question my immortality. And I don’t' mean immortality though my work, I mean immortality like in *not dying*. Curses...

Dezi><passes Hyperion a spelling book>Hey, I'm a fantastic speller. I'm just a lousy typist and the worst proofreader in the Western Hemisphere. If Word doesn’t catch it, there's a better then 90% chance I won't either.
<foreign money- coins and such>I have plenty of that. I even keep 200 rupees on me for when I go to Indian restaurants. Usually the people I'm with demand I pay with "real Money" and "not that Monopoly crap", but its always worth the laugh.
<so then what does the O in H2O stand for?>Unfortunately, not free breathable oxygen, like O2, for example.
And I don’t' care if you are a fish, you're not breaking down water into it's component atoms. You're processing the O2 that's been absorbed into the water. Hence the need for an aerator in a fish tank. (ha!)

Gside><But you're forgetting Gently's theorem>I've never even heard of Gently's theorem
<rest of post> Uh...not sure what the point is. Don't worry about it too much, could be I'm just sick.

Bud-Clare>Two to the power of three million, one hundred and twenty-five thousand, three hundred and fifty two to one. (ha!)

Green Baron><If I eat lots of fiber, that Church better have a good latrine>I now, officially, have too much information. It's even on official letterhead.

Tony Elliot><1/10 light speed has negligible relativistic effects>I think you’re right, but the point he's making is still valid...you'll still need some serious thrust, whether an impulse or over time (like ion thrust) to speed up and slow down. Galileo maxed out at 100,000 km/h, and I think that's the fastest anything we've built has ever gone. I think I remember reading that the Apollo X astronauts got up to 25K and change km/h, which is the fastest a human has ever gone.

Yggdrasil><Bowling for Columbine>Conversely, I think the movie sucked and Michael Moore is a racist idiot.

Disclaimer: Obviously I'm pro-gun and can't stand the overweight jerk, so dammed right I'm biased.

This moron (Moore, not Yggdrasil) gave a speech in which he said that the reason 9-11 happened was due the abundance of white on the planes. A speech that was somewhat criticized even by his fellow liberals as ‘racist’. "the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy- cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody" (http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=366725)
Furthermore, all of his "works" seem to filled with distortions at best and outright lies at the worst. Reference: (http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html)
For example, for the most part the movie works because he focuses on stereotypes. The one female gun owner they showed was a mother and a member of a militia in Michigan. She was wearing combat fatigues, but was calmly and rationally explaining that she feels safer having a gun around to protect her family "just in case." What's wrong with that? Nothing. But since she was in a militia, people who see the movie will think the average gun owner is some para-military freak who sleeps with a machine gun (a stereotype) because that is what Moore was trying to portray her as.
I also seem to recall him advocating ballistic fingerprinting in the movie (although it's been awhile since I saw it, so I may be getting confused with his other ramblings...er...writings) which is a specific tool and *cannot* be used widely, as a report from the California AG office stated unequivocally.

And a final, and admittedly personal attack, I'd just like to point out that Moore can't seem to take the same kind of tactics that he employs as shown here: (http://www.leftwatch.com/articles/2002/000046.html)

I apologize for the seeming rambling tone of that reply, but really, the websites contain most of the info anyway.

Firestorm><Muslims>From what I know of the religion, I agree with you. Unfortanately, the religion as a whole losses points when they refuse to speak aginst morons that are twisting the religion into an excuse for killing innocents.
In much the same way the majority of the German population lost points when they went along with the Nazis and the Final Solution, and so did a goodly number of Catholic priests during the pedophile scandal. The difference there is that the priests and Germans wern't trying to kill *me*, so the Muslims get more points deducted.
<BUT it is a great way to make spaghetti sauce> Yeah, it's beefy.

Ok, I’m done.

***********************************
"Hey, did I ever tell you I looked through the Captain's personnel file?"
"You what?!"
"Shhh!"
"Michael, that information is strictly off limits."
"I did it when he first came aboard. I like to know who I'm dealing with. And who knew he turn out to be okay, huh? Right now, according to his file, Sheridan is a good tactical thinker. He can take an inferior defensive force and turn it into an offensive force capable of taking on a better-equipped enemy. Now, he did it with the Black Star, he did it during the Mars riots. Now, you ask me, he is the one chance we've got to make it through this thing alive."
"Maybe. .. Did you look through my files when I came onboard?"
"Commander, that information is strictly off limits."
Hyperion
Monday, February 10, 2003 11:30:08 AM
IP: 151.199.238.30

Been busy. Got a Gamecube for $90 (New, retail), rented Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Game: won it) and Metroid Prime (I am SO going to buy the game!), and playing Metroid Fusion ROM's on my PC.
Sleep? Nope ;)

Had a nightmare yesterday (stupid night shift):
I was woken up by the Early Warning sirens in my area, and I turned on the news.
The US launched 35 nuclear weapons at targets in Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as a preemptive strike, and they recommended that all citizens duck and cover incase there was a retaliatory attack (There wasn't, but the rest of the dream felt very post-apocalyptic.)
It ended on an odd note: I was visiting my father at his Army base (He is SO anti-government that he would NEVER join the Army), and one of his fellow privates commented that once they were in Iraq, they could convert every Muslim there to the right religion: Catholic
And my dad commented: Nope. Mormon.
Odd nightmare. Odd ending.
Maybe because I watched Dr. Strangelove at work and then played 5 hours of Metroid Prime before going to bed.

Laughed for a few minutes straight in the shower the other day. Couldn't stop. Fell to the floor. Scared LM's sister when she knocked on the door to see what was wrong.

Leo: <Iraq: calles shuttle disaster "God's Revenge" >
Yet another reason to make'em glow. I mean, really, do they WANT us to nuke them?
<but I'm pretty sure the original commercial name is "Barbara Plump">
By George, you're right!
And, really, is it nice to say that Barbara's Plump?
<Scarry $h!t. <8-I>
That is SO wrong! You are now a perpetuator of EVIL! Congrats! Welcome to the club! BTW, it's your turn to bring refreshments to the next meeting

Patrick: <Just what I needed echoing in my head as I head off to work. Thanks, Leo. :P>
And here I am laughing quite evilly at the thought of that!
<In that case, all I can say is thank goodness they came along and made "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"... or he might still be at it today>
Him and Shatner

Gside: <At least three. Plus two that are now covered in pop ups, and one that takes it beyond anything you ever imagined.>
Ah... the "That is SO wrong... but I can't tear my eyes away!" site, eh?
<Unfortunately, I was rooting for the schoolgirl to get the guy, not the teacher>
Oh, so it is DEFINITELY porn, eh?
<Yes, but Nutter responds well to my insane lies, and you don't want to annoy someone like that>
Ah, very true. They are a rare bunch indeed. Maybe one day I shall meet someone like that.
<"Conversations tend to be so much more civil when there's a chance the other person might snap and kill you.">
Which explains everyone's conversations with me at work. It helps when you act like a friggin loon, BUT you are the best in your department!
<Ten feet>
Oh, like I can remember song lyrics like that! 6 feet, 10 feet, that's only a difference of 66%!
<But after the trilogy, will you continue to the Silmarillian? And the notes that Christopher has been publishsing?>
Haven't gotten that far yet. We shall see.
<That won't quite work. You can't quite combine the uniforms>
Oh yes you can! Mmmm... dirty thoughts...
<Not to my recollection>
WHAT?!?!? You haven't seen Empire Records? GO RENT IT! NOW! (Or download it)

Imzadi: <As it should be>
I forgot to add free. And ad free.
<You do and you have, methinks 8-)>
Oh, but I could do SO much worse with someone who I am NOT sleeping with and is in my best interest to keep in a good mood.
<And what happened in Spawn? Some terrorist tried to kill him! Bad plan! No cookie!>
Hey, your dead! What do you care?
<Why don't you just ask for a borg cube?>
Hmm... Na. Can't find a parking space for a Cube anywhere near here. And I don't even want to know about the mileage on one of those!
<I'm posting frequently to stave off flame wars which I'm invariably started.>
Why? Use gasoline! It's more fun!
<117. No matter how much I want revenge, I will never order an underling "Leave him. He's mine!">
I can just see it: Your faithful army is behind you, the Hero in front of you. You put out your arms and say "Leave him. He's mine!"
You manage to keep a straight face for nearly 2 seconds while your troops look at you with concern.
"Kidding! Kill him! Everyone at once!"
<HAHAHA no. It would require SO much energy to get something with any significant mass (like, enough for a camera) moving that fast, and another metric buttload of energy to get it to stop>
It can be done slowly. I mean, at 1g, it would only take a few months (Yeah, a lot of fuel)
BUT, if you take the current ion technology used for satellites, a few pounds of fuel could get it up to .1C, but it would take several years.

Revel TGS Art Director: I can draw like Shirt Guy Tom!

silvadel: 
Epsilon Eradonti. The closest star with a probable solar system. About 4-4.5 light years away. 50 year travel time MINIMUM.

Green Baron: <Clinton's bombing of Baghdad damaged quite a lot of old stuff>
Germany, WWI, WWII
Britan, WWI, WWII
Japan, WWII
Construction, United States, 1492-Present

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.: Shuttle Saftey:
<Escape pod>
Not practical. I mean, if they are lost in space, it would be good IF a recovery craft can get up there in a week or less. 80 miles to 40 miles up, the pods would need to basically be space craft in themselves. Less than that, parachutes would work on a pod. Accident prevention is the biggest way to make it safer. Accident survival is improbable.
I say the best thing to do for safety is to make the re-entry powered, so they can come in slower, which is safer (a realistic approach)
<You won't see Demona shedding any tears over the tragedy, that I can assure you.>
I can picture Demona sitting in a comfy robe eating bon-bons while rewinding and replaying the video over and over of the planes crashing and the towers falling while laughing

Tony Elliot: <Thankfully DVD killed DIVX.>
Irony: DivX is the most widely used codec to rip DVD's

Dezi: Beta Vs VHS: Beta DOES have higher resolution than VHS, so it truly IS a better format. Beta lost due to marketing, but it's quality made it survive in the professional world, as you noticed.

Revel: 
I *WILL* see space, some how.
It is the goal of this house to send me into space by the end of the next decade not because it is easy, but because if I do it right, it will be financially viable. THAT, and I REALLY want to.

Hyperion: <Surprisingly, though, the general Muslim community is actually enraged by these comments, leading me to have hope for the entire religion.>
From what I know of the RELIGION, it is a fairly decent religion with quite a bit of honor, peace, and other talk in it.
Some of it's FOLLOWERS, on the other hand, have used the religion as a reason for horrible crimes (Of course, the same can be said for most religions, ESPECIALLY Catholic (Crusades))
<People tend to get smeared into a thin red paste when you do that. They hate that.>
Picky people. BUT it is a great way to make spaghetti sauce.

silvadel: <Go ahead and blast those stiffs into space>
PULL! ;)

9/11 in fanfic: Must publish that thesis...
ANYWAY, I say that there is enough reality in, well, reality and that fanfic should be a way to escape from reality, so I say including 9/11 in fanfic is a bad idea.

Shuttle accident: Let's say they discovered that there WAS a problem early in the flight and that the shuttle would fail during re-entry: Then what? Send another shuttle up to rescue the crew and scuttle the shuttle in orbit, possibly for a later repair? Maybe one day we will find out that NASA and the crew knew there was a problem, and that they had a choice of dieing in orbit because they couldn't get another shuttle up there to rescue them in time, or try their luck on coming in.

Moon base: I say make it 100 feet underground. That would nearly completely shield them from even the worst of the solar radiation.

Space Flight: NASA is dead. Long live commercial space travel!
(Yeah, I know it's mean, but when I heard about the accident, while I was grieving, one of my thoughts was "Here is my chance. I MUST build my prototype craft NOW")

Now, I am off for a whole 2.5 hours of sleep.
Fire Storm the Sleepless
Monday, February 10, 2003 11:23:19 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Todd:<the "Peanuts" strip began in 1950). > October 2, 1950. That day is practically a holiday in my house. Also exactly fifty years later, I started college. I took that as a good sign.

Patrick: <1965, by the McCoys from Dayton, Ohio> I know that. :) But I did find a song on kazaa called Hang on Snoopy. It was a weird PSA hip-hop/rap song by the Singletones where they rapped a "stay in school, Snoopy, so you don't get screwed by snakey record producers like Charlie Brown" type message, with the general tune of Hang on Sloopy, and some of the original lyrics mixed in, but at a level where it sounds like Snoopy instead of Sloopy. It is quite catchy. I did think for awhile when I was little (around fourth grade or so) that the original lyrics where Snoopy in Hang on Sloopy.
I typed that bit cause it was stuck in my head and I knew someone would catch. Defense prepared. :)
And to your credit, Snoopy did do some crime-solving in the cartoon: It's a Mystery Charlie Brown, in which Woodstock's nest got stolen (turns out by Sally for a science show-and-tell). Snoopy dressed up all Sherlocky with a magnifying glass.

Imzadi: <Only during Halloween. > Cause during halloween all the spooky cartoon goblins come out and wreck havok in the Disney control rooms...:) ooooweeeeeeoooooo
<You are helping the terrorists! > I do my part. I don't drive SUVs though. My mom does and I did my part for USA by somersaulting the explorer into a cornfield for her. It was pretty much useless after that. Hey! I should get a medal of honor from Ariana Huffington for such an event! 8-)

I know have that Snoopy song stuck in my head again thank you very much.
Dezi
Monday, February 10, 2003 09:27:41 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

PATRICK - Um, actually, you seem to have mixed Scooby Doo up a bit with Snoopy (who was already around in 1965, since the "Peanuts" strip began in 1950).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, February 10, 2003 08:52:30 AM
IP: 65.56.170.140

Josh > "I rulez. I have now implemented a class. Feer my leet skeelz." - I think I fear your mad spelling "skeelz" more. :P

"<<Its good to see Demona�s hateful attitude finally starting to ebb>>: I've heard TGS writers say that it was the worst thing to ever happen to TGS." - For the record, there are just as many who wrote for TGS who have the opposite opinion.

Dezi > "Hang on Snoopy, Snoopy hang on." - The lyrics are actually "Hang on Sloopy, Sloopy hang on." It was written and first recorded in 1965, by the McCoys from Dayton, Ohio... a number of years BEFORE a certain crime-solving cartoon dog came along. It's now the offical State rock song of Ohio, and there's probably not a high school or college marching band around that doesn't know the arrangement by heart.

http://www.thewritegallery.com/hangonsloopy.html

And now for something completely different... I give you what is probably the dumbest anime ever created... "Fighting Foodons." Kids who love "Pokemon" and who enjoy playing with their dinner are just going to LOVE this one. :P

http://www.foxkids.com/food_l.html

:: heads off to work and into the snow ::
Patrick Toman
Monday, February 10, 2003 07:21:02 AM
IP: 67.38.241.45

***** TGS CR INFO UPDATES *****

NAVIGATION:

Links to the Bad Guys episode archive and the Full TGS CR have been added to the navigation on all pages within CR Information.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/

ARCHIVE:

The 2003 Archive has been updated to include the weeks of January 19, 2002 through February 9, 2003 for a total of 3 newly added weeks.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2003/

CR MEMBERS:

I have emailed revised profile drafts to DPH and Greg Bishansky and am currently await their reply.
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/

CR REQUESTS:

I have noted Desdemona's request for CR images and Durid The Druid's request for a listing of publication dates of TGS stories. I will respond to your requests when next I find the time. Thanks for being patient.

***** END TGS CR INFO UPDATES *****
Lady Mystic
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Monday, February 10, 2003 03:21:38 AM
IP: 66.72.184.69

Woohoo! Finished the programming assignment. Four days from receipt to return, instead of the 14 he gave us. I rulez. I have now implemented a class. Feer my leet skeelz. And we worked out today, so I'm feeling good.

Taleweaver: <<Once she learns about Wesley's booty calls with Lilah will turn her off>>: I thought everyone knew about that?

Tony Elliot: <<Al-queida (sp?)>>: No i. <<the Eyrie building has state-of-the-art particle beam turrets and even force fields>>: Now THAT is good logic. You win. <<Its good to see Demona’s hateful attitude finally starting to ebb>>: I've heard TGS writers say that it was the worst thing to ever happen to TGS. <<just one ‘t’, Elliot>>: Doesn't matter, he doesn't spell check. <>: Raelians believe that humans are actually aliens, brought here from another world. No idea why they believe that. <<Definitely the best crappy movie in the past two years>>: No way, I'm sure we can come up with something better. <<*.wmv (Windows Media Vide) is a little better, but its not cross platform.>>: Runs on macs. Probably not linux, though. <<Have you seen Minority Report>>: No, but I heard about their implementation there. Not looking forward to it. <<DiffEQ sucks!>>: Preach it, brotha! <>: What's really frustrating is that professional engineers NEVER use it. You only use it in theory, and in the theory behind more complicated methods. But in real life, computers solve them for you. <>: I didn't mean "school pride best". I meant that its actually rated the best right now for civil engineering. I think the second place is Michigan, and they vie back and forth for supremacy every year. <<1/10 light speed has negligible relativistic effects>>: depends on how you define negligible, but usually you're right. But I'm not talking about the relativistic effects. I'm talking about the actual energy required. That's not a relativistic quantity. <<you only need to keep your freezer plugged in 6 months a year>>: Truly hell. <<Does anyone know why? Is there something controversial that pisses T.D. off?>>: Gun control and elisa getting SHOT are touchy things for TD. They rarely show toons that feature people dying. As such, they don't show it in the normal sequence. Only during Halloween.

Yggdrasil: <>: Its really frustrating that "ultra-polarized" is the same as "educated". I am not a left-winger just because I happen to have an advanced degree! <<How many people do not know whom Mahatma Gandhi was?>>: Too many. <>: Lets hear it for AP History credit! <<that leaves 22% of the population is stuck back in the times of the inquisition>>: So scary. I'm curious what all the questions were. <<Universities are very leery of kicking students out>>: This is a tragedy. Everyone seems to think they have a right to higher education without proving themselves first. <<There are no consequences for the students>>: As proof, I offer the entire CS department of UC Berkeley, save my roommate. My roommate does all the work for every class project, while his teammates take all the credit. They are somehow able to ace the midterms without doing the projects because they are members of the CS "honors" society which I'm convinced is a group of test files, cheating methods, and TA's who wrote the exams. <>: At Berkeley, the grad students don't have too much influence over the final grades. They sometimes help with the grading of individual assignments/tests/projects, but they submit their grades to the prof before the final letter grade are assigned. <<When a student does poorly it's not their fault, it's the instructors.>>: In all fairness, sometimes it is. But usually not.

DPH: <>: I don't either. Like I said, all programs on my machine have spell-check as provided by OS X. <<That building is the symbol of one person, NOT American enterprise>>: That I don't agree with. <<Only 1 more shot?>>: More than that and it starts to get expensive. <<It's amazing the kind of grades you can get just by attending class without studying>>: Okay, that's it. You've made it clear that you think you're really intelligent, based on problems that you create for yourself and classes that you ace. I'm gettin' kind of tired of it. Has it occurred to you that you just aren't being challenged? That maybe you ace classes because they're too easy because you go to some community college in bumf*ck, AR instead of a real engineering school? <<it fits nicely with Microshaft's habits>>: Agreed. <<Wouldn't being a dependent LOWER the financial aid that I am qualified for?>>: yes. <<That means a certain moron better not hit me up for rent payments since I'm a "dependent">>: Wrong! Just because you are a dependent doesn't mean he can't charge you rent. However, I'd make sure you have a real tenant-landlord agreement with him before paying a dime.

Dezi: <<I've been "helping the war effort" lately by downloading songs from kazaa and burning them>>: But that undermines American capitalism! You are helping the terrorists! <<German choking on a walnut, and off tempo>>: LOL! <<If I could sign my brother up for the military against his will, I would>>: Ditto 8-)

Gside: <<But it felt nice when it was all over.>>: That's what they all say. <<if you can, always reload after teh standard number>>: Der. <<It's how I survive>>: Amen! Studying is much harder and more nerve-wracking then just going to class.

121. If I come into possession of an artifact which can only be used by the pure of heart, I will not attempt to use it regardless.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, February 10, 2003 03:05:47 AM
IP: 64.161.24.1

Imzadi> <<Bet that hurt>>: But it felt nice when it was all over.
<<But the others are all true?>>: Some more than others.
<<Derivations are a waste of time after the first proof>>: I wouldn't say he goes back too far.
<<Maybe we should try>>: Let's.
<<Well I'd rather get a cute chick to service that particular itch>>: I haven't had any luck with that yet, but I'm always here.
<<all of my personal weapons will be modified to fire one more shot than the standard issue>>: But make sure you don't brag about it. And if you can, always reload after teh standard number.

Tony Elliot> <<Guilt about what?>>: Catholics are notorious for instilling a sense of guilt.
<<And a darn good one at that>>: I've had no complaints.
<<it comes back in the form of Laplase transforms in RLC circuit analysis!>>: And wait for Fourier in signal analysis. But Laplace and Fourier are Calc 5 here, not DiffEq (Calc 4).

Yggdrasil> <<There are no consequences for the students>>: Well, the university does get the tuition from when they take it again.

DPH> <<It's amazing the kind of grades you can get just by attending class without studying>>: It's how I survive. But your point was about never doing anything for the class, even showing up.

Dezi> <<Jimmy Rogers (the original Sloop John B)>>: He prefers it over the Kingston Trio version?

And for the mp3, something odd and Japanese. Sora Mimi Cake, the opening to Azumanga Daioh. As a side note, I've seen both Chiyo chan and Otou san porn, and they have distrubed me greatly.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, February 10, 2003 01:24:47 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

I've been "helping the war effort" lately by downloading songs from kazaa and burning them, coloring on the discs with sharpies (for pretty!) and then sending them off to my dad. He can only take 24 cds with him for entertainment and a lot of his cds he only likes one or two songs off them so it would be a waste to take them. He collection now spans from LL Cool J and Madonna to Jimmy Rogers (the original Sloop John B) and the Youngbloods. Most of them at his request. Anyway, I stumbled upon a Star Trek version of Jingle Bells sung in Klingon. Somebody out there must have been really really bored. It actually sounds angrier than German. Kinda like German choking on a walnut, and off tempo. Hmmm. I say I down load that song, ship it off and they "smoke" Hussein out Nicaragua style. Like the scene outta Apocalypse Now only much much stranger. :) This changes nothing, however, I'm still antiwar. But I am pro-my dad. BTW, Heather, I feel your pain. Well sorta. If I could sign my brother up for the military against his will, I would. But then, my brother is scum. I doubt your brother is (or hope he isnt anyway) so I'm sorry about the double whammy.

Tony: <Oh no, not another “Jackass” copycat. MTV doesn’t take submitted footage.> No not really. The point of the thing was to portray how dangerous that street is. It cuts through our campus and we don't have any skywalks or anything. Just some crosswalks where the cars are supposed to come to a complete stop if a student looks to be crossing (or IS crossing). There are four such crossings plus blinking yellow lights by the ped-xing signs. Still people don't stop and many students have gotten hit. We were just emphazizing the point. Ironically no passersby even looked concerned as the kid rolled off of my hood. The kicker was when he got up and walked passed the camera and mumbled "Fu*% Hanna Avenue". Turns out all the other groups in the class had a plot in which some one slipped, or flipped or got hit by something. My teacher loved them, but said that we were sadistic. *shrugs*
<You’ll just have to watch the Charlie’s Angles movie. Definitely the best crappy movie in the past two years.> Did, don't remember that part. My boyfriend has a thing for the blond one, so we have the dvd.
<Deadly Force Question> Disney got all upset cause a main character got shot (duh, she's a cop). So they say it sends a bad message (sarcastic tone: don't play with guns?) and rarely air it. Keh, if there's one thing that I learned in my year and 1/2 in animation school, its that people that work for Disney seem to crazy quicker than most others. Even more so than the Veggie Tales. Que the change in majors.

DPH: Heh heh, hit the wrong key and almost typed DOH.
<My dad wants to claim as a dependent for tax purposes.> No one claims me. :( Oh well. My boyfriend's mom isnt claiming him this year for the first time so he can get some more $$ back on taxes. Dunno about Fin Aid though. Ask the dept. at your school.

Imzadi: <Why is that event the deal-breaker?> Just because I was looking at the book for only a few short minutes by the time to leave, and that and one other thing were the only two I read in the short part that I did read and I forgot the other one. I just now looked at the book on Amazon to see what any exerpt said and turns out the guy wrote a post 9/11 sequel claiming that as he saw the towers fall, it inspired him to check the code breaking program in his computer and it said twin towers and fall and airplane and such things. *rolls eyes* Kinda lost some validity for me right there, but I'll still stay away from CA in 2010 just in case, ok? maybe even a couple years like 2008 to 2012 to give leeway. Shouldn't be too hard to do since I've never been there in the first place. You can check it out for yourself by typing bible code in the book search part on Amazon. Drusnin or something like that is the title.
<How do you all fit?> Well there are lots of hometowns. Plus alot of us seem to be short. According to my neighbors, there were about a dozen immigrants living in my dinky (like around 600 sq. feet) apartment before my boyfriend and I started to rent it. We still get some of their mail.

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Hang on Snoopy, Snoopy hang on. Do, Do, Dee-do, Do, Do, Dee-do!

later!
Dezi
Monday, February 10, 2003 12:41:36 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Imzadi - <Don't double post for that> Sorry, I was in a hurry. <Am I the only one with spell-check across all my programs provided by my operating system?> Sorry, I don't type all of my posts in a Microshaft product. Either they're typed on the web page, using NC 4.7 or on Editpad, a small text-editor with no spell-check. (Side note:Editpad is the same program I am using to edit the TGS web pages.] <Your point...?> If I said that same word on campus, it would not be acceptable at all. <All you have to do is LOOK menacing, just once.> Let's see: who is most likely to be believed to be the cause of the problem: a college student or a former deacon of a church. On the other hand, I could probably mount a good defense of not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. <So?> That has everything to do with it. That building is the symbol of one person, NOT American enterprise. <120. Since nothing is more irritating than a hero defeating you with basic math skills, all of my personal weapons will be modified to fire one more shot than the standard issue.> Only 1 more shot?

Gside - <Have you ever tried to take an exam with no preparation?> It's amazing the kind of grades you can get just by attending class without studying. On the other hand, if it's an essay test, I have to study to be prepared.

Imzadi - <I'm really amazed that you weren't able to figure out how to check the CR to see if you had already posted, just for the sake of adding blue color and your name.> Side effects of not getting enough sleep. I made a small dent on Saturday. BTW, check out this Sunday's Dilbert comic strip, it fits nicely with Microshaft's habits.

Here's a stupid question: My dad wants to claim as a dependent for tax purposes. There's only one problem with that: Wouldn't being a dependent LOWER the financial aid that I am qualified for? Since I made less than $3,000 last year, I can be claimed as a dependent. *Growls and bright idea hits* That means a certain moron better not hit me up for rent payments since I'm a "dependent".

Good news: With half of my student loans dispersed, I only owe the university $90 for this semester's tutition. That gives me a lot more moeny than I thought I had coming. First order of business, catching up on bills.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, February 10, 2003 12:05:02 AM
IP: 204.94.193.49

Re: Deadly Force Question

What? I havent watched consecutive episodes for a while. I thought TD had gotten over that crap. Was it never aired again AFTER the "haloween marathon" run?
Leo
Monday, February 10, 2003 12:02:29 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Deadly Force Question
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I’m sure most of you know that Toon Dis. runs two separate Gargoyle re-runs. One is the regular weeknight @ 11:30 and the other ‘Hangin With The Heroes’ Sat & Sun night from 11p to 12 (est). Both have just completed a series loop, and both have just skipped over episode 8 – ‘Deady Force’. Does anyone know why? Is there something controversial that pisses T.D. off?

Tony Elliot
Sunday, February 9, 2003 11:36:15 PM
IP: 65.29.132.86

Greetings;

Finally went to see Bowling for Columbine. I strongly recommend that everyone see this movie, although because of my delay in watching, it has probably left most theatres. It's an excellent documentary into gun culture (primarily in the US) and how it comes about. It was made by Michael Moore (the author of Stupid White Men) and has received numerous awards. It's funny, horrifying and a general eye-opener. There we moments when the audience was cringing in their seats, others where tears were in their eyes. It was a real eye-opener. I placed the link to the movies site.

******Minor Rant Ahead******

On an outside note there were some real points in the movie where I was honestly shocked. I realize that I live in the world of academia, and I see the worked from an ultra-polarized viewpoint, but I was blown away by the ignorance exhibited by many of the people in this movie. As a result of this I would like to ask the CR one question.

How many people do not know whom Mahatma Gandhi was?

This was a question that was asked in the movie, and when it was the individual said something to the effect of "I've never heard of him." This shocks me. I'm a scientist, I have never taken a history course outside of high school, but I can list off most of the important details about the life of Gandhi as well as almost all world-shaping individuals. How can anyone not know about people who have shaped our world? It blows my mind.

On a more frightening note, last year a survey of general science questions was asked of Americans in order to determine the general level of understanding that the average American has towards science. The questions were not hard, but try to wrap your minds around this: 78% of respondents knew that the Earth revolves around the Sun. This doesn't sound bad ... until you realize that that leaves 22% of the population is stuck back in the times of the inquisition.

Oh well, just see the movie.

******End Rant******

Josh: Unfortunately the problem stems from two problems.

1. The students simply do not have the same depth of information that they did when they came in. Before students from high school would have some idea what DNA was, that it was composed of A, T, G and C. They would have heard of PCR and understand the concept behind DNA fingerprinting. Now they do not.

2. Universities are very leery of kicking students out. There used to be a time where if you were on academic probation and you flunked a course, you were kicked out. Now however we have students who are on probation, who are caught cheating and the University does nothing!!! You can fail a course and it's just, "Oh well better luck next time" There are no consequences for the students. As a result of this, I'm left with a bunch of empty-headed, slack-jawed kids (they should be adults, but hey I call it as I see it) who obviously have very rich parents to be able to piss away thousands in tuition for a kid who will only get a degree by the bare minimum. I would fail more of them if the administration wouldn't blame me for being too hard. When a student does poorly it's not their fault, it's the instructors. Every time you fail a student you must show why they did poorly. The student may contest the mark and in extreme cases they will sue. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I've heard the horror stories from some of the older Profs.

Regardless prereq's mean nothing anymore. Students don’t have the background that they used to, but they just don't care.

Spacebabie: Ontario was the only province with 5 years of high school. The fifth year was for students wanting to go on to University or College. They were mainly courses like Math (Three options), Science (Three options), English (2-3 Options) and languages. You can think of it as a year of prep school (That and it allowed for out frosh to get drunk right from their first year as the drinking age is 19.)

Goodnight, I've got to teach tomorrow.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Sunday, February 9, 2003 11:10:52 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

WTC: Well I think it should be mentioned because of where Gargoyles is placed, in New York, but not as a over dramatic story. Because we know that they couldn't do anything during the day and they may blame themselves in way of saying "We failed".
I think we shouldn't put any of the characters in the WTC situation of like Elisa was in the building or something. It would make it kind of corny. Yes it is a sad subject but if TGS does do something with WTC, it should be honored and handled with care.

Other than that, I haven't been a while, it's okay, I needed a break. I had a surgery Friday on for a tooth that has been stuck in my mouth for almost 5 years. So now after this month I go back into surgery to get a metal plate inside of the hole so I have a false tooth in.

Fun.

Oh, I don't know if people would care but if anyone does, please think of the people who are risking their lives overseas for us.

Like my older brother Michael and my dad. In Saudi.

I know that something might not happen but... I would still like my dad to come back soon to see me graduate from high school.
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Sunday, February 9, 2003 09:58:43 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

"So why attempt to fly a jet into Eyrie if it couldn’t ever make it there." -- Tony Elliot

A good point.
Guardian
Sunday, February 9, 2003 08:52:48 PM
IP: 64.169.104.58

Terrorists attacking the WTC but not the Eyrie building in the TGS universe makes perfect sense. Al-queida (sp?) would know that WTC towers are defenseless, but the Eyrie building has state-of-the-art particle beam turrets and even force fields (“The Gathering ep 2”). So why attempt to fly a jet into Eyrie if it couldn’t ever make it there.

A Mid-Winter's Tale : So the tabloids finally pick up on Destine… Its about time, lol. I like Demona’s spell of illusion that she used on Mavis & Maddox, clever story writing. Its good to see Demona’s hateful attitude finally starting to ebb, I’m surprised she even agreed to go to the party with Angela AND behave herself.

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- Green Baron -
Sorry, I didn't answer one of your questions in my last post.
Elmbrook’s congregation is 6k, maybe more, but the church (they call it the auditorium) sits 2k, the chapel sits 300, and the amphitheater sits 200.
http://www.elmbrook.org/about/ if you care to find out the details.

<Tony Elliott> Lol, just one ‘t’, Elliot. :P
<Good thing there isn't a Kingdom Hall one block from your grandmother :)>
A what? Sound like a “Brothers & sisters, for the low price everything you own…”

<Of coruse, not all families are alike, as yours was not as focused on one faith, while my family tends not to differ.>
I guess I haven’t made myself clear. Because my mom was Lutheran isn’t why I have faith; she is not religious nor very faithful. My dad doesn’t have any religion or faith whatsoever, nor has he had any influence on mine. My point is that faith is paramount, and whatever denomination one chooses is not important as long as it helps keep that person grounded in a positive faith. If the denomination is not helping one grow in faith, don’t be afraid to switch to one that does, even if it goes against the family tradition.

<Well, if I was a Raelian or a Jehovas Witness or some form of Anabaptist, I hope you'd knock some sense into me :) >
True. I have no idea what any of those denominations believe in, but if you mean ones that make up their own bible (Mormons, etc) and teach some really wacky stuff that isn’t in the Bible, then yea, I’d try to knock some sense in you.

< Also, many Catholic youths are raised to go through the motions>
That’s exactly what I think the problem is; the motions – the religion – is useless if faith is not nurtured.

- Helene -
< millions of young people attend The Pope's "World Youth Days" each year (remember when he came to Colorado/NYC a few years ago?). >
Actually, no. I never heard of it. But it sounds like a great thing to do.

<Saying Catholicism drives youth away from faith based upon the handful of people you know isn't really a fair assessment to make, especially since there's A LOT of evidence to the contrary.>
Sorry, I didn’t mean to piss you off. However, what other conclusions could I draw from the evidence I’ve experienced? Like I said to Barron, the important thing about a denomination for each individual is that it helps them to keep and grow their faith. Yes, Catholics do “World Youth Days” as you pointed out; thumbs up, they are leading many to faith. But if those raised Catholic are loosing faith because of what ever is lacking in the religion, then you must admit there is a problem. Don’t misunderstand me, I have nothing against Catholicism, nor would I encourage Catholics to convert. But if/since there is a problem with Catholic raised youths loosing faith, that problem should be FIXED.

- Aaron -
<Could it be... GUILT? ; ) >
Guilt about what? Please elaborate.

- Dezi -
<For my video production project, I got to hit a theater student with my car.>
Oh no, not another “Jackass” copycat. MTV doesn’t take submitted footage.
<huh?> You’ll just have to watch the Charlie’s Angles movie. Definitely the best crappy movie in the past two years.

- Gside -
<But DivX lives again as a compression codec.>
And a darn good one at that. *.wmv (Windows Media Vide) is a little better, but its not cross platform. Although, I heard there is a Linux codec for it.

- Josh -
< If paper-thin monitors are ever developed, then you can expect tv-type ads on everything, from soda cans to bus stops to notebooks.>
Have you seen Minority Report (Tom Cruise / Spielberg)?

<Of course, my new finite element assignment includes two obnoxious diffEQ problems that I'll never be able to solve by myself.>
Ugh! DiffEQ sucks! I always thought that was one of those damn classes all engineers take but never use. Noooo, it comes back in the form of Laplase transforms in RLC circuit analysis!

<Berkeley is the best civil engineering school in the country>
I might challenge you to a fight if MSOE had a Civ. E program.

<1/10 the speed of light>>: HAHAHA no. It would require SO much energy to get something with any significant mass (like, enough for a camera) moving that fast, and another metric buttload of energy to get it to stop.>
If I remember my special relativity equations right, 1/10 light speed has negligible relativistic effects. I’ll get back to you on that next week.

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI, Here, you only need to keep your freezer plugged in 6 months a year!
Sunday, February 9, 2003 08:04:31 PM
IP: 65.29.132.86

Fred on Angel> True, but remember before she started shagging Gunn, she got hot and bothered over Angel. Wesley wasn't even a blip on her radar screen. I don't think a romance between Fred and Wesley will last. Once she learns about Wesley's booty calls with Lilah will turn her off.
Taleweaver
Sunday, February 9, 2003 07:14:11 PM
IP: 24.205.117.85

Okay, so that MATLAB class isn't as easy to implement as I thought. Fortunately there are some pointers in the book that help out. Took up most of my afternoon and evening, and still isn't done.

Todd: <<I'm a bit surprised that she's doing that much dabbling in black magic>>: I'm not. If I were her, I'd be pissed at willow for not turning me back into a human.

Taleweaver: <<does anyone know why my email address only shows up as a string of tildas?>>: Whoa. That's cool! <<Still not loving the Fred, Gunn and Wesley triangle. Fred is doing the thing I hate the most in romantic entanglements: not making a choice>>: The frustrating thing is watching her bother with a guy who isn't an intellectual match for her.

Bud-Clare: <<And wonder why>>: Yup.

DPH: <<sorry, I forget to fill in the forms>>: Don't double post for that, moron. <<saved until I had a good night's sleep so I could check this post for spelling errors.>>: Am I the only one with spell-check across all my programs provided by my operating system? I guess so. In any case, is it so hard to just run a spell check? <>: Your point...? <<Instead of memorizing formulas, students are learning how to use their calculators to solve homework problems. All that this is teaching is dependency on technology. This is basically the dumbing down of classrooms>>: Actually, you are very wrong. Memorizing formulae does no one any good because in the real world they can all be looked up. Its much better to have students learning to use machines properly and moving on to more advanced concepts, since the more they are exposed to the more valuable they will be. <<Last time I checked, the Mendez brothers were found guilty despite claims of child abuse>>: All you have to do is LOOK menacing, just once. Its effective at shutting parents up. <<students are allowed to only show up to take exams and still make an A, I don't call that discipline and hard work>>: No, that is a measure of personal discipline. If you can not go to class and still ace the class, that means the class is either too easy or you have mastered your own academic limits. Its all a matter of knowing what you can take, and that is the epitome of discipline. <<A lot of student grades will go down, but eventually, that high school will gain a national reputation for high standards>>: Until some group fails out and sues the school system for de facto discrimination. <<how would you recommend I subtly hint about my birthday?>>: how about "anyone have any suggestions on places to spend birthday money?" ;-) <<I've heard about Iceland tapping into Geothermal Energy>>: Not quite the same. <<Did you apply for that scholarship or did it come out of the blue?>>: Came out of the blue. <<The Eyrie Building is owned by a private individual with all businesses located therein owned by David Xanatos>>: So?

Patrick: <<not a one of these top movers and shakers of capitalism has been personally targeted by al Qaeda>>: You're missing something else: none of them has a physical landmark for an office/house. Microsoft is a sprawling college campus, Dell is a factory somewhere, Oracle is a series of office buildings. The Eyrie is very different, IMO. Also, its part of the Manhattan skyline, and dominates it. That skyline is one of those quintessential american images. The destruction of that image was part of the damage done by the destruction of the WTC. Symbolic buildings, that's what it was about. And I think the Eyrie would be a symbolic structure in the TGS-verse, a symbol of the unlimited power of greed, ego, and imagination in the human spirit, and a symbol of the freedom of an individual to rise from a fisherman to the a virtual Emperor. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong 8-)

Dezi: <<decided the CA quake would be the test: if it happens, there's the validity, if not, poo on it>>: Not necessarily. Why is that event the deal-breaker? Statistically, its no more valid than any other event, and as the years go by, the probability of a massive quake in CA only increases. <<He just tells me to shut up>>: I've got my roommates doing it ;-) <<the are about 37 million of us running amok in a hometown near you>>: How do you all fit?

Gside: <<Did a mess of burning today>>: Bet that hurt. <>: But the others are all true? <<he likes to get everything from first principles>>: Then he needs a hobby. Derivations are a waste of time after the first proof. <<Iceland doesn't blow up if you poke a hole in it>>: Maybe we should try. <>: Well I'd rather get a cute chick to service that particular itch.

120. Since nothing is more irritating than a hero defeating you with basic math skills, all of my personal weapons will be modified to fire one more shot than the standard issue.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, February 9, 2003 04:00:09 AM
IP: 66.125.229.72

Quick addition:
"I would not write the same 9/11 story he did." -- Greg Bishanksy

Is this other story you speak of in the GFW fanfic archive? If not, where might it be? I'd like to take a look at it.
Guardian
Sunday, February 9, 2003 03:35:01 AM
IP: 67.115.72.238

"Um... what exactly did the clan fail to do? They failed to be psychic and foresee an event that no one else saw coming either?" -- Patrick Toman

The Manhattan Clan didn't truly fail at anything; however, I believe that they would feel they had failed in protecting their city at first, despite the fact they could have done nothing to help at the time; they were in their stone sleep of course.

But that's just me and my interpretation of the emotions and feelings of beings that don't even exist. *shrugs*
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 9, 2003 03:33:15 AM
IP: 67.115.72.238

Did a mess of burning today. I now have almost 8 gigs free after archiving the complete Star Ocean EX and Azumanga Daioh (if you want, Warpmind, Gunjack).

Bud Clare> <<It's just an excuse to get presents>>: And dates.
<<interconnected doesn't necessarily mean compatible>>: I can't think of anything that prevents them from happening in the same universe. Dirk could easily have happened before the Guide version 2.

Imzadi> <<Ironic, isn't it?>>: Just as Thomas More wanted.
<<I've seen some pretty hairy engineers. Ones that mumble, too. And have a hunched back. And throw poop.>>: I wouldn't say I mumble.
<<No, he just thinks that's a party>>: Tell that to the rest of my personalities.

DPH> <<Instead of memorizing formulas>>: I never liked that. As long as I can find the formula, why should I have to remember it? And too many formulas are a bad thing. One thing I like about my Communication Systems prof is that he likes to get everything from first principles.
<<only show up to take exams and still make an A, I don't call that discipline and hard work>>: Have you ever tried to take an exam with no preparation? They had to do something to prepare for the exams.
<<I've heard about Iceland tapping into Geothermal Energy>>: Yes, but the heat is a good distance away, and Iceland doesn't blow up if you poke a hole in it.

Imzadi> <<if I were...no>>: You wouldn't? I happen to agree with that guy from Nantucket.

Dezi> <<If anyone knows for sure what it is let me know>>: Give Warpmind a better description.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, February 9, 2003 12:44:09 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

....Why did that post twice half way through?....
Dezi (again)
Sunday, February 9, 2003 12:40:30 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Ok real post.
Man, I'm tired. Today it seemed like everyone in Indy forgot how to read their calendars and shopped like it wa two days before Christmas. Blah.
On the upside, my boyfriend did laundry for me. :) And I only had to ask him once. See its the little deeds that count most. :)

Green Baron: <Bible Code book?> Yeah, it was first published in around 1998 or so. An Israeli mathmetician and some other guy who knew a lot about the bible poured throught the thing and discovered a "code" that supposedly told the future from a 2000+ year old book point of view. Diagrams shown on the Today show at the time made it look like a word search puzzle. But they claimed to have found about when JFK was shot, and Yitzak Rabin and all. Plus the California earthquake thing. I never read it, just about in in the TIME and saw on Today. I glanced at it in the book store back then and decided the CA quake would be the test: if it happens, there's the validity, if not, poo on it. Either way I'm not going to CA in 2010. But its not numerology, I think more like some guys that got really bored.
<Besides, when Jesse Jackson spews his crap > Jesse Jackson talks out of his butt anyway. I've always thought that, even before I really knew why. General impression I guess.

Silvadel:<(Actually I do not enjoy large cities in general from the smells to the general feel you get)> I do like the smell of Chicago, for some reason. Except for this one little spot on Argyle street that smelled so bad like sour milk that pedestrians would wanna puke. But I learned to exhale right when i got to that spot. I miss the lake.

Spacebabie: <a German penny > I think I found a Norwegian coin at work the other day. It was in with the nickles. It looked like one with different pictures and the word "Norge" written on it. If anyone knows for sure what it is let me know. :)
<Wow the actors who have appeared in Gargoyles are all over>My boyfriend has gotten so tired of watching TV or movies with me 'cause I'm constantly hearing one of the actors and it'll dawn on me and I'll yell: Hey they did a voice on Gargoyles! He just tells me to shut up. He used to ask who it was (character). *shrugs*

Naimhgold: <Hehe. Snowday!> Peh. Indy had .60 in. of snow on Thurs morning and there were traffic jams and accidents galore. The "rush hour" was still going at 9:30 when I went to school. These people have no clue how to drive!

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Let's hear it for us Latinos! Now the largest minority in the US. *pauses and looks at that for a second and shrugs* Apparently the are about 37 million of us running amok in a hometown near you!

Mmmmm. I'm nearly done downloading and burning all the Inuyasha cartoons. (all done with the Gargoyles). That cartoon (Inuyasha) is so much better in Japanese with subtitles. The cartoon network version is cheesy. I am starting to pick up on some repetitive Japanese phrases though (like what and no and yes and other slightly more complex ones) so I'm not glued to the subtitles. I got my boyfriend, B, hooked on the cartoon on Cartoon Network, but he won't admit it, just kinda always sits down with me and starts watching it with me, but acts totally disdainful of it other times. Hey, its amusing.

later
Dezi
Sunday, February 9, 2003 12:38:40 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

The Question> I may be a huge fan of J. Michael Straczynski but I would not write the same 9/11 story he did. Give me a little more credit than that.

You won't see Demona shedding any tears over the tragedy, that I can assure you.
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, February 9, 2003 12:11:20 AM
IP: 216.179.6.237

So is ten still available? or am I 11?

Dezi
Sunday, February 9, 2003 12:00:52 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Desdemona - Timedancer Season 4 was completely released by mid November of last year.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, February 8, 2003 11:23:00 PM
IP: 204.94.193.72

I Love TGS it is the best i just cant get enough of it !!! i was wondering though is it over or are you still writing story becuz it siad your taking a breack for the summer but it's feburary and the last season of dark ages the pic's are dated 99 soooo.......... yall need to start writin again or greig weismen needs to start writing cuz he knows gargoyles aint comming back on and the last question he answerd was in october 2001 so i guess it is over :(
Desdemona - [phatboy051687@yahoo.com]
Charlotte, North Carolina, U. S. A.
Saturday, February 8, 2003 11:18:44 PM
IP: 165.247.178.149

Number nine!

Re: 9/11 - "They failed." Um... what exactly did the clan fail to do? They failed to be psychic and foresee an event that no one else saw coming either?
Patrick Toman
Saturday, February 8, 2003 11:11:23 PM
IP: 67.38.241.45

Top 10!!
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, February 8, 2003 11:08:04 PM
IP: 204.94.193.72

Heh-heh, Eighth, and who'd-ah thunk I'd be the last to post last week? Spiffy.
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:55:42 PM
IP: 67.115.72.238

Seventh.
Leo
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:52:21 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

SIX.
Josh
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:45:14 PM
IP: 66.125.229.72

FIVE
silvadel
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:12:24 PM
IP: 208.59.133.50

Fourth! In the name of alterity!!
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:10:24 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Three in the name of
Aliens

and the sexy male characters from gargoyles and fanfic universes
Spacebabie
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:08:54 PM
IP: 66.119.33.170

2nd in the name of the Fay!

MC
Mooncat
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:05:26 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

1st.
Na zdorov'ya
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, February 8, 2003 10:03:56 PM
IP: 198.151.130.245