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Lain> I was planning to respond to your post, but now I'm not sure whether I'll get around to it or not. I have other things which I really ought to be doing... (applying for jobs, etc) *sighs* Anyway, I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you, or anything. Just tired.
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Gside> <<You're just lying to appease your female.>>
You're just jealous because you don't have a female...
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Josh> <<They got cold.>>
Me, too, but you don't see me whining about it (much). Damned winter.

<<Specifically, I'm unfamiliar with what color-coding has to do with labor camps.>>
Prisoners were color-coded, based on their "crime." Not much point if they're all equally screwed, is there?

<<Instead I will slam on the brakes when he's directly behind me.>>
You'd have to hope he was tailgating. Trucks take an awfully long time to stop...

<<And I'd get to work on top-secret ground based radar.>>
Deep-space radar telemetry?

<<Women always try to defend their lacking males.>>
You'd know. :P

<< <<Cause Slash fics are fun>>: WHY!?>>
Ny. She meant fun_ny_. Because they are. ;)

<<True. Pilots are extremely educated, highly intelligent people.>>
With strong stomachs.
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Tony Elliot> <<In all fairness, do most Canadians (that you’ve had contact with) have a much more broad and enlightened view of the world than Americans?>>
*snorts* According to whose definition of broad and enlightened? I may not like Americans very much on the whole, but lately... I want to smack half the planet upside the head.
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Patrick> <<After all, isn't running for President the reason she wanted to become a Senator?>>
Sure, but she doesn't want to be _too_ obvious... Besides, the next election could get ugly, so she's probably smart enough to wait another four years.
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Ravyn> <<I'll most likely be in the Rochester, New York area this summer ... anyone ever been there, or have any advice, or anything?>>
Yeah. Don't be here in the winter. :)
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Thomas> <<If Sadaam or Mugabe or Schroeder or Hugo Chavez tried to kill my father, I'd be out for blood too.>>
But starting a war is a rather extreme way of getting revenge.

<<Then the dippy protestors will be shouting "NO Blood for Hydrogen">>
I'd pay to see that. :)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, March 1, 2003 07:47:15 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Here's a funny little site about drunk driving and Labatt Blue :)
ghost of Reverend Attila
Saturday, March 1, 2003 04:51:03 PM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Another mediocre week at Kosovo, but a wonderful, weekend in Bulgaria.

SPOILERRS for Bulgaria trip

Starts off kinda sucky. Early Friday morning, say 2:30 CET (six hours ahead of you folks in Eatsern Time Zone), we get checked in and accounted for. 5 am we are on the bus and it finally leaves. If we're lucky we sleep as we leave Kosovo for Macedonia at 6 am, though first we hear a few briefings, including the clubs that are off limits due to drugs and Mafia, that prostitution is off-limits, but to use a condom if we ignore the prostitution rule. By say 8 am, we hit the Bulgarian border and get a police escort all the way to the hotel in downtown Sofia.

We finally get to the hotel and get another briefing and then we rent our rooms, have our euros and dollars converted into lev (Bulgaria's currency).

SPC Aird and I walk through some of downtown looking to see what's available. There we find soem bookshops, a few stores, a Chinese restaurant and a McDonald's. For some odd reason, a lot of American soldiers make a big deal out of the McDonalds, but I have maybe gone to McDonald's all of maybe ten times since I've been in Europe, to include that trip in Sofia, mainly because Aird wanted to go. As we walk back to the hotel, we find a liquor store and he buys some Scotch and Vodka (which he only uses a fraction of) and I get something called Heather's Cream, a Scottish version of Bailey's. BTW, while deployed no drinking is allowed, so for some soldiers they go bonkers on FMPP (Fighter Managment Pass Program), but I never had more than a few drinks over a month if that much, so it's no big deal to me.

That evening (after a nap from the bus ride and being up longer than normal), we go to an Italian restaurant called Tortilla Flat. Yes, it is called Tortilla Flat, but it is mostly Italian food. I enjoy some grilled Octopus. Afterwards we go to the Jim Bean Dance Club with our other two Finance Soldiers (SPC Valentin and SGT Staton), but I am not entirely rested so SGT Staton and I return at about midnight. Two hours later, Aird returns and wakes me up, being quite buzzed and a bit annoying. He then proceeds to the hotel's top floor, a fancy strip club, and blows $35 on strippers (due to the low prices here, that is actually a lot of money, since the $500 most sodliers take for the weekend is more than most Bulagarians make in a month). He then wakes me again doing an impression of the broken English used by the strippers.

Saturday. I get up and get the complimentary Continental Breakfast, similar to one offered in American rest stops, except that meats and cheeses are part of the breakfast. Aird gets up and we hit a few shopping places, including an antique bazaar and the Black Market, where I bought some new causal shoes for $22 (they usually go for 65 in Germany)and a knockoff Rolex watch for my father (only cost me $35). We also have lunch at an authentic Bulgarian restaurant that looks like it is part of medieval Bulgaria.

Nighttime, Aird and I hit two clubs. Carrumbas would be good, but all the seats are reserved for Mafia so we are snet to the back. Amore's is better but the booze vodka redbulls are disagreeing with Aird so we return to the hotel.

Sunday is spent with standard breakfast, followed by a trip to the Underground Mall which is more expensive than the Black Market but still very cheap. After that, we go on a picture taking tour of the city, with the help of our Cabbie Kris.

Night, we go to the Rio, a Brazilian restaurant, with SGT Staton and SPC Valentin, followed by one club that SGT Staton didn't care for. We return to Carrumbas which is more fun and I actually dance and under no chemical influence. I discovered that I have more rhythym than Al Gore, and I actually have a fun time at a club for a few hours, until SGT Staton (well she is 31) is tired and Aird has been tipping the bartender rather heavily. We return to the hotel, and whiel Aird is not normally religious he is making a very long prayer to the porcelain goddess due to how much booze he had, but before that, he blows about $40 on the strip club upstairs and tries to convince me to go, but I am not the wacky spender he is, and I am sober.

Monday, we do some last minute shopping (Heather, expect a box in a few days), and get ready to leave. Whiel we are leaving, my Commander has just arrived in Sofia, so we all greet him and I give him some advice on a few fun places and good restaurants.

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Firestorm> I have more. Of course, french abshing is more popular than it ahs been in a while. The local Albanians here despise the French since they are pro-Serbian and have done littel to help in their section of Kosovo. They also hate Sadaam, since he was an allay of Milosevich.

<<Hell yeah! BUT, if LM came from the Ukraine (well, and Lithuania), and she is quite attractive, so that makes me wonder about the breeding stock she came from...>> I can imagine. The Bulgarian women are very attractive as are the Albanian and Serbian women in Kosovo. So are the Turkish women. Maybe the women get more attractive as you travel farther East in Europe.

Yggdrasil> <<There is no way to resist; there is no drug to halt its effect. You will completely loose control of your voluntary nervous system (there is also a chance that you may ... void yourself).>> Impressive. Are they a pain to register or easy to acquire?

<<Mr. Bush has never seemed very intelligent to us and his continual gaffs on an international scale have done nothing to change our view. Many of you may have heard about the Canadian press secretary stating that George W. Bush was a moron.>> I'd expect more tact, then again, we have Rumsfeld when it comes to bluntness. Bush isn't the brightest bulb out there. Clinton is a degenerate who I wish would slit his wirsts and Gore the other candidate is also a moron. And Nader's insane, so I guess its a good thing you have a choice of Stockwell Day or Jean Cretin.

<<In regards to the metric system in the US, I don't think that it's as you said; that Americans are stupid. To be honest it would take a lot of money to convert the population to metric.>> Bingo. While I prefer the Imperial system (and calling it Imperial adds to my appeal), we need to start phasing in the metric system as the UK is doing, though I may always need a converter.

Ironically America's money was established along metric lines, with the cents to dollars.

<<Anyways people gripe when you say pesticide spray, but their OK with a biological insecticide...say an engineered virus.>> That may have the same bad side effects. I would prefer a pesticide that didn't have the side effects that say DDT would have. A virus can cuase the smae problems, unless it only affects insects and not birds or mammals that feed on insects.

Dezi> <<On the side of Canada, I did claim back in 2000 that if GWB got elected, I was gonna move there.>> Well, none of the Hollywood dipshits kept their word about leaving the US. Granted Gore was an idiot too, though I voted for Harry Browne, as Bush and Gore were both big-Government liberals and Nader is a 1970s hasbeen.

<<Maybe religious orders originally invented and used them to help with focusing techniques, but I wouldn't say pure martial arts are religious. Besides, I can't see any religion inherent in anything goes martial arts dining.>> LOL!! BTW, which of Ranma's women would you want?

Bud-Clare> <<Subconsciously, however, I'd say that statement about Sadaam trying to kill his father was rather telling...)>> I can't blame him. If Sadaam or Mugabe or Schroeder or Hugo Chavez tried to kill my father, I'd be out for blood too.

<<My friend and I used to say that about Pat Buchanon.>> Well, he'd have to get more than 1% of the vote first ;) My buddy Dr. Barnes said he'll join me in Kosovo if Hillary is ever elected.

<<A lot of Americans feel the same way. Dumb as a post. Bleh.>> So was Gore, but at least Bush is a good boy and listens to his advisors who I have no problem with except for Ashcroft, though I think soem of the smears against him go to far. Unlike Janet Reno, I doubt he coudl be tied to the night club fires, and I still expect most of the Patriot Act to fizzle out anyway, either by the Courts or that so many cities are ignoring it.

Also, the Oil Companies are against war with Iraq, which gives me another reason to support Sadaam's removal. The UAE are now offering Sadaam exile, though I doubt he'll take it, but if he does, good. Granted putting him on trial to the mercy of the Kurdish and Shiite population of Iraq sounds much more appealing.

Kaioto> <<Is Saddam Hitler? Nah. He's more like a mini-Stalin.>> Actually, a mini-Hitler is pretty dead on. His Uncle and mentor was a companion of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who was quite close to Hitler as both shared a strong hatred of the Jewish people. Milosevich is more Stalinesque, as is Robert Mugabe.

<<no matter how much GW looks and sounds like a chimp>> He may be a chimp, but Al Gore is a brain damaged baboon :)

Whenever I see Gore on TV I expect him to sya, "settle down Beavis", or something about needing more oil for his joints.

<<Beyond that, Bush is rocking the boat for Europe.>> France, Germany, and Belgium mainly. The rset are with us or at least taking a tougher stance and more willing to consider war though not as certain of its need as we are. Germany may turn around as Schroeder's party get their sorry red asses kicked a few weeks ago and he left his Foreign Minister in the dark. In fact, Rumsfeld asked Fischer about the plan and he was clueless. I loved how Govenror Stoibner of Bavaria just slammed Gerdie for that.

<<France, Germany, Russian, and China make up the bulk of Iraq's oil customers>> China also has weapons interests and Germany does a lot of business with Iraq as does most of Western Europe, so their motives are understandable from an impartial point of view, however I am not impartial.

I bet France will turn around when it benefits them to help us. They surrender to Hitler in WWII and we let them govern part of Germnay (and if I recall, Daladier was part of the Vichy Government) after WWII. Why do we give them that and a permanent seat on the UN Security Council?

As for boycotting France, I thought about seeing Paris, but why? Prague will be much better and cheaper and probably cleaner. So will Amsterdam. I also look forward to seeing Warsaw, Budapest, Rome, Cordova, Libson, London, Edinburgh, and Dublin, and another trip to Istanbul. I also have a few other palces I want to visit, though I don't know what the secuirty ratings on Tunisia, Egypt, and Morrocco are.

Question> No need for namecalling. Besides, it was done out fo anger and not a sa joking nickname like when I call Warpmind a Viking raider :)

Imzadi> <<Its ignorant people like you that give America its lousy international reputation.>> That and we have enfranchised and empowered too many of the common people, though I guess its a possible godo thing that regualr folks can afford to visit outside the US, as oppsoed to just elites.

<<BUWAHAHAHA I have defeated them!>> And Berkely can hit you up for donations...well they are tax deducatble.

<<"F*ck France. Next time let's let them become a suburb of Berlin.">> Nah....once Germany replaces Schroeder with Merkle, they can get Eastern France, especially Alsace and Lorraine which they've earned for taking it from them in the Franco-Prussian War (the a#1 Iron Chancellor even took Emperor Louis Napoleon prisoner in that war and never released him). Ireland can get Brittany and England can have Normandy plus a few other sections fo Northern France, while Italy of course gets Nice :)

<<Of course it isn't. Alcohol is the question. YES is the answer 8-)>> If Alchohol is the answer you may ahve forgotten the question.

Tribun> <<But what do you want? He is a loose, whose only luck was, that daddy is a big politican and once was president. He was once an alcoholic, crashed cars, was sent to a facility by Bush Sr. to finally became someone more intelligent and flushed millons in his daddys oil-company down the toilet. What a guy for president. And he really isn't that bright...>> I wasn't too impressed by his daddy and supported Perot in 92, but I'll agree Bush is a doompkoopf if you can agree Herr Schroeder is a sheisskopf.

I apologize for the Furher Schroeder comment as that was a bit too snide. I also will still travel in Germany (well for one it's my normal duty station) and I thought Koln was quite charming. So is Hedielberg. It's a lovely city.

<<Typical arrogant insult to a German.>> At least Hun would be more imaginative, but Attila is a personal hero of mine so I would see Hun as a compliment. And I hope you're not miffed, but as much as I admire Otto von Bismark, Attila the Hun beats him by a few points on my hero scale ;)

<<"I must warn for traveling to Germany">> I'm fine as long as I avoid demonstrations. In Koln I saw one that had soemthing to do with Iran so I kept my distance. One time I was in the Hanau Hauptbanhoff and there was one when I left the place so I just got to the bus staion hoping no one would notice my military haircut.

<<A nice house-made problem. If they had not helped him when he came to power 1979, he for sure would not be still dictator of Iraq now.>> To me, that makes it our responsibility to do the world a service and take care of our mistake. At least I can blame goober brain Carter on that one :)

<<Yes, it IS.>> We buy about 45% of it anyway. If we were really that hot for the oil, we'd sidestep the sanctions and make a sweetheart deal with Sadaam.

Bud-Clare> <<Again, haven't Germany and France been insulting the US just as much? It looks to me as if all the countries involved are behaving little children.>> And this is a surprise? If I recall, these countries are all run by Baby Boomers. I expect no less.

<<And aren't France and Germany guilty of that, too?>> I blame France more. Well, some parts of Germany like us, like Bavaria. Well, I think the Normans like us, too, though they and Brittany strike me as better than the rest of France. I may make travel plans to see Normandy and Brittany, but not Paris.

Kaioto> We are also the second largest oil producer of oil in the world, though the largest consumer. Of course, if we reallyw anted oil, we'd be laying a smackdown on Hugo Chavez and he deserves a good smackdown too.

Question> <<Joschka Fischer, insisting that his country maintained 'close ties' with Washington. Fischer also said Iraq had to disarm, indicating even Germany would be forced into a compromise position.>> Well, he was the guy left in the dark over Schroder sack's plan, so he's not too happy. Besides, if Germany plays their cards right they can leave France all alone with a unilateral position.

Silvadel> <<Personally, I have a significant problem that france has veto power at all in this day and age. I mean how big of a "player" is france?>> We gave France a permanent seat back in the UN's creation, because it kept getting invaded.

Question> <<Typical? I think it is true for you and your family. Your grandparents were probably bubbling in admiration for all the wonderful things Uncle Adolf did like putting those nasty jews and other undesirables into the concentration camps or fighting a war against almost every other country in Western Europe.>> Unfair, Tribun's grandparents were probably unaware of the worst fo Hitler's actions. Sadly, a lot of Germans weren't informed about the Holocaust until the 60s. One of my History Professors is a West German and he felt horrible about that, so it prompted him to work with the Canadian Governemnt in hunting down the last of the Nazi war criminals which are by now quite old, so he can't do much beyond make certain they are discovered an dthey'd probably be deneiend entry into most contries and be put under some minimum secuirty prison or house arrest.

Heather> Quite good and amusing :)

Dezi> <<You know, some of those German immigrants left behind family in the "old country">> My grandfather was a German and he lost a lot of Business during both world wars. Sadly he neevr accepte dthe Holocaust which shames me, though he was in his seventies by 1945 and died in the next decade, though I think his lack of beleif was due to him leaving Germany when it had a halfway decent Kaiser (who knighted his brother) and wasn't run by some modern artist who never rose above the rank of Corporal. I wish we sided with the Kaiser in 1914, then things would be a lot better now and France would be a series of German dominions. Maybe teh Germans would be nice and let a pretender to the French Throne be Archduke of Paris.

Hmm...Germany, US, Austria, Bulgaria, Ottoman Empire win WWI. France may be entirely swallowed by Germany. No Hitler. The Sultan would keep the Middle East in line and if Germany might not have needed to resort to sneaking Lenin into Russia.

<<There's alot of people who have great great great cousins (or some relation)in another country and chances are America has been pissed at that country at some time for some dumb reason anyway>> Well, my father's mother was French and the Forsyths have quite alot of French blood spanning centuries, but that gives meno love for the current sorry little Republic. I also wish Patton led the liberation of Paris instead of DeGaulle. I wonder if DeGaulle was really all that helpful to us anyway.

<<Part of my family's German, part is Mexican.>> I'd guess your mother was German, since she was Lutheran. France also tried to make an Empire out of Mexico and if we (well I can't really say we as my Nortthern side of the family arrived in the 1890s mostly) lost the Civil War, they'd have succeded.

<<that all my political beliefs can be chalked up to the fact that I'm in college. I wonder what's he gonna say when I graduate and still hold the same political beliefs.>> Well, College does influence that and Chicago is not exactly conservative. College and the Business school infleunced my shift from very right wing to some crossbreed of a Libertarian and a neo-Conservative.

Gabriel> <<HAHAHAH!! Oh yes, and the US is the most selfless nation in the world.>> Yes, the US has much to be criticized about and we make lots of mistakes and we need to slash our Government in half, but that is no reason to praise the frogs. Jean-Marie (its pretty sad that the scary nationalistic guy has name like that) LePenn managed to get almost 20% of the vote. At least Pat Buchanan can't get 1% of the US vote.

Silvadel> <<3) Severely putting the environment at risk(and they talk about us).>> Plus they tested on the Bikini Islands. At least we sued a New Mexico desert and didn't foul up a tourist site. Of ocurse, the US Government-owned lands are in worse environmental shape than any private property.

<<It didnt surprise me at all when France was in favor of leaving Sadam in power because of their cherry deal for oil with them -- heck we really had to do an end run around them just to protect turkey(which is gouging us) from attack.>> Can't really blame Turkey. They border Iraq and it is in their interest to get US aid. Granted I am partial to Turkey and I also wish we could make it up to Greece when we screwed them over Cyprus.

Tony Elliot> <> So you are an actual Wisconsin Gore supporter and you're not homeless :)

Jaden> I enjoyed some duck hearts at the Rio. Are you at a stop-loss right now or is your contract unaffected?

Imzadi> <<Most people think this. The problem is that political beliefs attached to the fact that we're in college just means they're the beliefs of someone "educated". And that's not quite right.>> What's worse is when a Professor may use the classroom to impose their politcial views and are quite nasty about it. I had soem liberal professors though only one was a dick about his opinions. One was very liberal and he liked my conservative slant since it amused him.

Bud-Clare> <<Probably true. Too bad I'm not a lesbian... *sighs*>> Don't worry its okay to be heterosexual :) You can apprecaite Owen after all :)

Yggdrasil> America and Canada have a lot of differences. That can be a good thing. If Americans prefer Canda's economy and Government and Canadians prefer the US, its easy for the peopel to switch. I still want to visit Canada and a certain Newfie as well as a Londoner.

Besides, the US and Canada provide each other with good joke material, plus Canadians can convert all US cracks about France to make Quebec jokes.

<> That is the fault of uncompetitive, Governemnt controlled Unionized Education. I find it disgraceful too, and I have always liked Geography.

<<It's time for him to realize that although he does rule the most powerful nation on the planet, he does not represent the majority.>> He does what is in his self-interest. He is however President of the US and not President of the World.

<<They are convinced that theirs is the only right way to do things and they are not willing to even consider other possibilities.>> That is foolish and sadly, many in our Congress feel the same way about the Federal Government.

Lain> It may get worse. Clinton may try to be the next UN Secretary General...well he fits in with Iraq heading a Conference on Disarmement and Libya heading the Human Rights Conference.

I do think we should pay our dues, though every country should have the same dues.

<<its just that america seems to believe that the propor place for these people(s) is a) on television, b)in office or c) both.>> This is what happens when you try to achieve a classless, egalitarian society. I prefer moderate elitism.

<<sparklingly altruistic.. as you appear to let on.>> Altruists should either be clergy, missionaries, or commited to an asylum.

<<why is one place so much more important than another?>> But to do nothing is worse.

<<why do americans witnessing the world as it is today feel the need to "go and help people" when the people witnessing the incident that day stood by and did nothing?>> That's Washington DC. What do you expect?

<<US in EVERY SINGLE WAR - save the "conflict" in vietnam where a good number of our citizens crossed the border to join your forces.>> Good point. You have been good friends to us and if you could find it in your heart to burn down Washington DC again, please do so, but spare the Pentagon and the Museums and Georgetown :)

Dezi> <<But then, theres another guy that walks around wearing sandwich boards proclaiming Al Gore to be an alien, George Bush is a faerie and lots of other things>> Sounds like a Lyndon LaRouche supporter :)

<<Corralling stupid "conservative" people and locking them inside porno shops and duct taping the doors* Oh the humanity!>> And Janet Reno can set the place on fire.

Imzadi> <> That proves nothing. They could all move back to the US after receiving a Canadian education if they wanted to.

<<Thank you Mr. The Plague.>> And you think nations have actual friendships with other nations? They have allainces and are made out of mutual benefit.

<<We had to fly around them more recently, didn't we?>> A pity. We should get involed in the Ivory Coast and help them out just to piss on France's cheerios. Plus I think France is making the current Government make concessions to a bunch of Islamists.

Anonymous> <<So pray for world peace, okay?>> I gave up believing in world peace years ago. I do pray for a short conflict and a better Iraq.

Imzadi> <<Sorry, I couldn't resist. What can I say, I'm an @$$hole-e-o-e-o>> And you're proud of it :)

Ravyn> Way to go.

<<HyWire/AUTOnomy hydrogen fuel cell vehicle project>> Then the dippy protestors will be shouting "NO Blood for Hydrogen" or they'll find soemthing else to whine about.

Tony Elliot> <<Spend away! Its funny, we get accused of bullying other countries around. Looks like France is learning quickly.>> Well, the US may be a bit arrogant, but we have a lot of power, we just need to be more discreet about it. France is a puffy, neutered peacock that thinks it should be taken seriously.

In fact one of their chefs killed himself because a food critic lowered the rating for his restaurant. If you want French food go to Quebec of Louisiana. They're closer than France and at least Louisiana's French population is actually friendly.

I spent quite my share in Bulgaria and I rather liked the raw capitalism of the place. Their black market is a tourist attraction which I liked. I'm glad there is a program for GIs to vacation there for a weekend.

<<Most of it comes from NPR radio;>> Eeep! I like their music but I know to avoid their propaganda. I prefer the Propaganda of Fox News.

<<You obviously have never lived in a ‘rough neighborhood’. If you lived in an area where burglaries, rapes, murders, and drug dealings are common place, you would want to have as lethal of a weapon as possible. I’m fortunate enough to live in nice suburb, but I do some volunteer work at a school in the middle of the ghetto. I’m pissed that having a concealed weapon is a felony in Milwaukee, but if it wasn’t, I defiantly would carry a handgun on me at all times. As is, I have to be extremely careful when leaving my car; I make sure that there are no gang bangers loitering around when I go into the school. If there are, they (illegally) have guns on them. Ideally, it would be nice to live in a gun free world, but guns are something that can’t be un-invented. Crooks (in this country) use guns. Banning guns won’t stop crooks from using guns, and America has a lot of crooks.>> There's hope for you yet :)

DPH> <<Ask an account what 1+1 is and the answer is what would you like it to be.)>> And imagine a CPA with a law degree. Ironically, America's Accounting standards are stricter than a lot of the world.

Patrick Toman> <<Denis Kucinich is a political has-been>> Didn't stop Ralph Nader.

<<There's just something very wrong when you look at a group of people and find yourself thinking an Al Gore could liven the race up a bit.>> It's kind of like the REpublican Presidential Candidates in 1996, excpet Dick Gephardt, Al Gore, and Bill Bradley make Bob Dole, Lamar Alexander, and Steve Forbes look like wild and crazy guys.

<<After all, isn't running for President the reason she wanted to become a Senator?>> Good thing I'll be out of the military by late January of 2005. The evry thought of serving under that c*nt makes me want to barf.

<<Overall, so far I am NOT impressed at all with the field of potential Democratic candidates.>> It's pretty sad when after Slick Willie, you're at a loss for candidates worth anything. Before Clinton, the chocies were McGovern, Humphrey, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis.

Gabriel> <<You completely forgot, as do most right-wing blabber-mouths, that there are Christian Mennonites who are there becuse of their faith; who have left their families to answer God's calling. Silly them, little do they know that this all-pentrating, magnanimous article has judged truly their intent. *rolls eyes*>> Lighten up. My kitty got it from a blog because it was funny. Make your comment in the blog site. As for Menonites, they're Amish that drive cars, right ;)

<> An Irish soldier I met in Sofia described Mary Robinson as a smoked salmon socialist. I guess that describes those kids.

What I have more of a beef with are some self-righteous Maine teachers telling kids that their parents are unethical for being in the Maine Guard and deploying to the Gulf.

One thing to oppose Bush or the Government but people who start badmouthing the soldiers are a bunch of pricks, or maybe that is too soft a word to use for them.

Imzadi> <<You forgot to add "who's my bitch?">> That would be Gunjack I believe ;) Never heard of a male submissive in a heterosxual relationship before...well except maybe Bill Clinton, but I doubt they ever had sex :) As for Chelsea, they took a blood test and Janet Reno is the father.

<<He can do that!?>> Appearantly so.

<<Not really.>> Last I checked, flag burning, mocking the National Anthem, and the President are perfectly legal.

<<Bit of the Baron slipping through there.>> He is even more anti-French than I am :)

Spacebabie> <> Feel free to poke me with them ;)

<<No that would be Barney>> Or Michael Jackson. In fact, Neverland Ranch was rated the worst palce fo rchildren to live :)

<<Here hop into my lap and I’ll give you some ear scritches.>> He likes and he'll purr in your cleavage too :)

Niamhgold> <<SPRING BREAK TIME (regardless of our forty inches of snow...)!!!!!!! >> And Kosovo is warming up, too :p

Aaaron> <<For instance, you guys talk funny, and it's really really cold. ; )>> Don't forget the Socialism part, too.

<<until the PATRIOT act gets rolling>> It won't last too long. It will be dismantled before we fully dismantle the New Deal.

<<and as the leader of the free world, we have a *responsibility* to use that power to fight injustice and alleviate suffering where ever we can. Sometimes we lose sight of that, sometimes things get a bit muddled along the way, but at the end of the day, we're still the good guys. And riddle me this, batman, if we don't do it, who will?>> That's about my sentiment. I would actually like another superpower...one that is ten times as deregulated and capitalistic as we are. Also, they could help us with the responsibilities. I'm glad to do what I can for Kosovo and my hand is up if they ask for folks in Iraq, but I'm only one soldier.

<<Hey, I agree on the latter.>> But I recall Ann Richards was drunk the whole time she was running Texas. At least you didn't vote for the tree or the senile washed up 60s leftover.

<<G.W. has definitely been watching LotR for inspiration on Iraq. I'll try to get the complete list out of her. I do remember Lord Roberts, the head of NATO, was Gimli.>> LOL!! So what about France, Germany and Belgium? International ANSWER can be a front group secretly run by Sauron :)

Imzadi> Way to go. You can stay in Berkely.

Ravyn> <<I'll most likely be in the Rochester, New York area this summer ... anyone ever been there, or have any advice, or anything? :) >> Bud-Clare may be able to help.

Dezi> <<In other news, my no-account, dumbass brother announced that Monday he is gonna go enlist in the air force.>> Good for him. I hope he comes out much improved and I hope he gets stationed at Ramstein, but in any even the Air Force has the nicest accomadations out of the whole military. I wish him well.

<<Red Cross coffee tastes good!>> There's one right across from Finance down here.

Hyperion> I highly recommend you go to Sofia.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Saturday, March 1, 2003 04:43:31 PM
IP: 136.216.75.2

If anyone is interested: ToonDisney is showing Deadly Force RIGHT NOW.
Josh
Saturday, March 1, 2003 04:02:08 PM
IP: 67.118.117.192

Gside: Hehe, I like the explosions and all, but for me to play a game (that and spend 50 dollars for it) it has to have a good story-line.
Heather - [neo_digi@yahoo.com]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Saturday, March 1, 2003 11:18:57 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Boy, more congrats are in order. Positive week for the CR!

Imzadi: Congratulations on scoring the Berkeley grad acceptance!

Fave TGS characters: Roland and Asrial

Out
Niamhgold
Saturday, March 1, 2003 09:30:12 AM
IP: 209.143.83.90

Am I the only one having trouble posting on the site? I recieved an error message of:
Warning: mysql_result() [function.mysql-result]: Unable to jump to row 0 on MySQL result index 12 in /web/global/php/FanficArchive/add_story.inc.php on line 116

New story added

It says new story added but I dont see it on the site. Any ideas? Email please.

Josh: You're so evil. <<Barracuda: <<TGS characters>>: My first response was actually "Todd and Annika" ;-)>>

Sunshineangel - [sunshineangel1973@hotmail.com]
ATL, GA
Saturday, March 1, 2003 03:30:59 AM
IP: 12.13.176.70

A bunch of us from the OS X developer group (not the MUG) went to Apple today to meet with engineers in different departments and try to shmooze and hopefully get jobs. Unfortunately, there were any hardware engineers there so I basically wasted the day. I was rather bitter about it, actually...

...till I got home. That letter from the Berkeley graduate dept. really lifted my spirits. Berkeley is my first choice for graduate school, and basically I've just settled the "where will you be" question for the next 2 years or so. I love it when I don't have to worry about where I'll be living. Suspense is fine in dating, but it has no business in housing.

I've also decided on a cool project for my programming class: a stress calculator for soil layers. Probably doesn't sound very interesting, but I have some killer ideas for the GUI and it'll be a very useful tool for geotechnical engineers (and they don't even have to be mac users! ...till I write the Cocoa version).

So overall, a positive day. I also picked up another book on Cocoa. Hopefully I'll pick this API up soon and I can get started on DOING stuff.

Ed: <>: I didn't mean to imply that the TGS staff is incompetent. Just lacking ;-)

Spacebabie: <<Who are your favorite TGS characters?>>: Sata and future Alexander Xanatos.
<>: Maybe if you'd keep it in your shirt we wouldn't have this problem.
<<Cause Slash fics are fun>>: WHY!?
<<Are you asking him to post his measurements?>>: Not really, I'm just mocking him.
<<We know your type. There are many b3eutiful Lara Flynn Boyle types at pro anorexic sites>>: Sounds like SOMEONE is jealous about not being on my list. You know, it is possible to be skinny without being anorexic. So get over yourself.
<<Here hop into my lap and I’ll give you some ear scritches>>: Isn't that position taken?

Barracuda: <<TGS characters>>: My first response was actually "Todd and Annika" ;-)

Fire Storm: <<At least I know she won't be able to get into it>>: There are some HOT women working at Starbucks. Especially in sunny California.

Niamhgold: <>: Congrats. Best of luck. Applications are such a bitch.

Aaron: <<you'd better do as I say, because if you don't, I'll commit sepuku, and leave you with no source of nookie>>: LOL I think Brooklyn would find another. He sure falls in love easily enough.
<<if we don't do it, who will?>>: Canada. Apparently they have a warship.
<<you guys talk funny, and it's really really cold>>: The latter is only true in the winter. I've seen locations on the solar surface that were cooler than Toronto in the summer.
<<just feel free to ignore that. Or show me to your Canadien buddies as an example of how screwed up American is>>: LOL! That quote is going on my quotes page, FYI.

Ravyn: <<Is that the offer you've been kinda waiting for>>: No. The offer I'm waiting for is $80k/year to take me away from grad school ;-) But this will do in the meantime.

Gside: <<I'll miss the intimacy, not just the physical>>: Can't miss what isn't there.
<<we are in the presence of ones denying porn>>: Execute them.
<<The engineers>>: The true unsung heros of the WORLD.

Dezi: <<you piss off the cops inside>>: Contrary to what the media might think, this is bad.
<<my dad said that enlisted guys don't fly planes (he thinks)>>: True. Pilots are extremely educated, highly intelligent people.

137. Before spending available funds on giant gargoyles, gothic arches, or other cosmetically intimidating pieces of architecture, I will see if there are any valid military expenditures that could use the extra budget.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, March 1, 2003 03:14:13 AM
IP: 66.125.229.245

Wow. What a day. There is a bank on the edge of school property, right next to the parking lot I use at school. Infact, if you get a crappy parking spot, you're closer to the bank than class. Anyway the bank got robbed today, right before I got to school. The guy held up the bank with a really big gun and then fled in a van. When I got to school, the SWAT team was flying by on their way to where the bad guy was holed up in a house. (But I didn't know that then.) I got inside and my producer and a reporter were skipping the class we were all in to go cover it. Sure I'll skip Communication Research Methods to cover real news. So I was the photog. Weeeeee!
We ran over to the bank and the CBS photog gave me tips, like sticking the lens all the way up to the glass in the window of a building they won't let you in, to get a good shot. This accomplishes two things: You don't have glare in your shot from the windows, and you piss off the cops inside. Heh, oops.
We got were also told about the guy being in a house, and the house was just a few blocks away from school, so we ran down the street to were they were allowing cameras.
We got there, identified ourselves, and set up our camera. Hee hee, it was all the stations (except we beat Fox there) and then us. My tripod was toeing the camera line with NBC, CBS, and ABC. My reporter is even more of a rookie than me and she was just giddy. Really giddy. Our producer had done an internship at NBC already, and the NBC reporter recognized her, and was giving us info because they had choppers up and more resources.
At one point, shots were reported to be fired. Turns out that one of the SWAT guys had tripped and his gun went off into the air. There's the Indy PD for ya. Another time they sent a guy out to yell at NBC and CBS for their helicopters because they thought that they were broadcasting live (they weren't though) and the police thought that the bad guy was watching their movements on TV. (the news had already thought about this so that is why they weren't showing chopper footage live)The cops fired tear gas into the house. After four hours they were confused why this guy just wasn't coming out of the house or picking up the negotiation phone they had thrown in. Answer: The guy WASNT in the house. He might have been for a short while and probably escaped out the backdoor.
In the meantime, I had a blast. This is so what I want to do for a career. And I found out that the journalists get to get food when the Red Cross truck shows up (some people were evacuated from their homes and were hungry). I got two cups of coffee and a cheeseburger. But hey, do what the pros do! But really, I can handle coffee very well at all and that was the most coffee I had ever drank. Red Cross coffee tastes good! But about an hour later (and by then at my day job at Hobby Lobby) I was completely wired. I couldn't have sat still if you paid me a million dollars. Granted, I would have tried really really hard, but I probably would have lost whats left of my sanity in the mean time. :D
MMMMM I got a taste of what it's like to be a professional news person and now I'm hungry for more. I can't wait for my internship (probably next year).
I'm also in a lot better shape for running than I though I was, since I hadn't ran much since high school track.

In other news, my no-account, dumbass brother announced that Monday he is gonna go enlist in the air force. Thankfully, my dad said that enlisted guys don't fly planes (he thinks). My bro wants to go into the security part. We are all doomed, I assure you. That is, if he survives even the relatively "light" airforce boot camp. *rolls eyes*

Weeeeee! Bill Maher is back on TV! And unfettered on HBO!
What a good day.

Heather: Good Luck.

Ravyn: Congrats (though a little late, sorry).

Spacebabie: Asrial, Thersites, Sekhmet (she's sad) and Bronx - just cause he's a good garg to have around and doesnt get the attention he deserves. No order, of course.

Thats all really, nothing exceptionally witty today. ;)

Dezi
Saturday, March 1, 2003 01:09:11 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Imzadi> <<So its come to this, has it?>>: Apparently so.
<<Stranger things have happened>>: Perhaps, but I'll miss the intimacy, not just the physical.
<<As if porn needed any acknowledgement>>: True, but we are in the presence of ones denying porn.

Spacebabie> <<Who are your favorite TGS characters?>>: The engineers.
<<It was a response to you posting every night>>: Not every night. There have been quite a few times I've been distracted or overworked.
<<What worked?>>: The appeasement.

Aaron> <<Ultimately, all political power flows from the barrel of a gun>>: Or end of a crossbow, or pointy stick, depending on time period.

Heather> <>: I think I may actually like GTA3 better. Perhaps it's because it's more fun taking jumps in the old ultrastable Rhino, as opposed to hovering around in the Maverick. Just all the explosions that used to be right next to you. Now squirrels, them's good eatin'.

Gunjack> <<Does someone know how to fix this through DOS?>>: I don't believe Windows has anything itself to adjust gamma, but to get anything new, you'd have to see what you're doing. Are you sure the monitor's all right, and did you do anything to change your video settings recently?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, March 1, 2003 12:56:52 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Gabriel -- have you tried safe mode? I do not think 640x480 16 color vga has a gamma.

silvadel
Friday, February 28, 2003 11:51:31 PM
IP: 208.58.213.171

Howdy, all! :) Long time no see!

Just wanted to drop in and say thank you to all those (Aaron, Coyote, Josh, Niamhgold, Spacebabie, Revel, DPH, Gside ... basically everybody! :) ) who've congratulated me on the job offer that good ol' Coyote told y'all about! I'm really really excited about it, and hey, I'll even keep you posted on how things go. :)

Josh> Congrats on the cool letter from the admissions officer guy! Is that the offer you've been kinda waiting for, like is it something you want to do? :) Hope all goes well! <<Engineers unite. Don't suck.>> I'll try my hardest not to! ;)

Niamhgold> Good luck with the internship application! :)

Spacebabie> Woo hoo! Thanks for the Pepsi Blue and grilled corn ... yeahhh, those are two of my favorite things right there. :)

Mr. Rogers passed away? Man, that sucks. I used to watch that show constantly as a kid.

So as far as the internship goes, I have until next Friday to accept or decline the offer. And I think I'm accepting, because they're offering me a *lot* of money for just being an intern, plus they'll pay for housing and travel. Wow! Somehow, I really really lucked into this one. It's been a dream of mine to work in the auto industry, and I never could have imagined I'd get a chance like this one, to work on GM's prototype vehicles. Wild! :)

I'll most likely be in the Rochester, New York area this summer ... anyone ever been there, or have any advice, or anything? :)

Thanks again for all the congratulations, I really appreciate it! :) Catch y'all later. :)
Ravyn
Friday, February 28, 2003 10:04:38 PM
IP: 150.135.118.235

"The gamma on our comuter appears to be turned all they way up; the screen is just all white. Windows is still running in the back ground, everything can be accessed, but you can't see anything. Does someone know how to fix this through DOS?"

This has been a delivered message from gunjack through Gabe. :)
Gabriel "gaygoyle" in replace of gunjack
Friday, February 28, 2003 09:44:16 PM
IP: 66.169.209.155

Yay! I got my PS2 hooked up to my new tv! I canp lay Kingdom Hearts and GTA: Vice City again!

Anyway...

I've been having trouble with my Outlook Express, it keeps making the computer go blank like it thinks the computer is not on so I had to use my yahoo account. *points to her e-mail place thing*

So with that, if I am accepted, don't e-mail Kheetor84@cox.net. Use yahoo! :D

I'm hyper. :D
Heather - [neo_digi@yahoo.com]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Friday, February 28, 2003 08:19:10 PM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Ahem. This just came into my mailbox. Its from the head of the structural engineering department here at Berkeley:

Dear Joshua,
I am writing this brief note to let you know that we will be recommending you for admission to Berkeley. Some more formal letters will arrive shortly with added information. I just thought you may like to hear sooner rather than later.

Please feel free to contact me anytime.

Congratulation,
***NAME DELETED***
Admissions Officer, SEMM

Josh
Friday, February 28, 2003 07:34:45 PM
IP: 66.125.229.245

Gside> <<Yeah, a description of 30 centimeters doesn't have the same ring as footlong.>> Exactly.

Josh> <<But we can't seem to force everyone else to use it.>> But if we can make them have to learn to convert, just to deal with us, that's good enough. <<That's why I think we should have guns. This current system was started by people with guns because you CANNOT create that level of change from within.>> "Ultimately, all political power flows from the barrel of a gun." - Chairman Mao.

GB> I meant Bush and Blair were hobbits in the nine of the fellowship, not the nine of the Ring Wraiths. <> Unfortunately, I don't have it memorized off the top of my head. It grew out of my mom's idea that, like Nixon watching Patton before bombing Cambodia, G.W. has definitely been watching LotR for inspiration on Iraq. I'll try to get the complete list out of her. I do remember Lord Roberts, the head of NATO, was Gimli.

FS> <<My family's dog has Parkinson's, and may not be able to live for too long :( >> Awww, that sucks. I'm sorry.

Congrats, Ravyn.

Fave TGS Character> Garlon, probably. There's just something scary about the aggressively average. Sekhamet, Umbrial, Meryt, Asrial, and Roland follow in no particular order. Never understood the fascination with Sata, personally. She's all the things I don't like about Goliath, ratcheted up a notch. "Remember Brooklyn, we must do everything the absolute hardest way possible, because my samurai honor demands it. And you'd better do as I say, because if you don't, I'll commit sepuku, and leave you with no source of nookie."

Yggdrasil>> <<tasers>> Well, I'd be embarrassed to get beaten up by anybody wearing a fluffy down coat. <<we just don't like US foreign policy and George W. in general.>> Hey, I agree on the latter. I'm not a Bush fan either. But, tell me, what exactly is *Canadian* foreign policy?

<<Just because you have power, it does not give you the right to police the world.>> Whoa, hold up. You think we look at policing the world as a right? Something we do because we want to? You don't think we'd rather not spend billions of dollars in international aid every year, not send American soldiers to risk their necks in every two-bit, backwater, border squabble that comes up? If you'll forgive the cliche, with great power comes great responsibility, and as the leader of the free world, we have a *responsibility* to use that power to fight injustice and alleviate suffering where ever we can. Sometimes we lose sight of that, sometimes things get a bit muddled along the way, but at the end of the day, we're still the good guys. And riddle me this, batman, if we don't do it, who will?

<> Likewise, with roles reversed. For instance, you guys talk funny, and it's really really cold. ; )

<<Most of the Americans that I have met are very arrogant about their country.>> There's a fine line between pride and arrogance. And, I admit, with Americans, that line tends to be kind of perforated. On the other hand, we've got a lot to take pride in. We're it. We're the only remaining super-power. Our citizenry live well enough that most of us will die fat, bloated and ugly, we enjoy more freedom then 9/10s of the globe (until the PATRIOT act gets rolling) and we've got a system of representational government that... Okay, that needs an overhaul, but the point is, we've got a lot going for us, and we take some justifiable pride in that. We've got most of the money, all the cool toys, and the credit cards to buy them. We are, as P. J. O'Rourke once said, "the baddest-@$$ sons of b!tches who ever jogged in Reeboks." We are the most electrifying nation on the world stage, and we're comin' to lay the smackdown on all you candy-@$$ jabronies that...

...

...

Oh god, I went Rock there for a minute. Just, uh, just feel free to ignore that. Or show me to your Canadien buddies as an example of how screwed up American is.

Later

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, February 28, 2003 05:32:08 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

I know this is brief, but I just dropped off the world's most *intricate* internship application and now I can breathe a little easier. Heck, maybe I can even start posting for real again! ;)

SPRING BREAK TIME (regardless of our forty inches of snow...)!!!!!!!
Niamhgold
Friday, February 28, 2003 03:18:46 PM
IP: 209.143.83.90

In the world as it is, truth can be much stranger than fiction.

(NOTE: My sister works for Starbucks... At least I know she won't be able to get into it.)
Fire Storm the Linker - [<---- Would you like a centerfold with that latte?]
Friday, February 28, 2003 03:03:22 PM
IP: 66.72.177.2

Re TGS characters: Sata is a great character, rich, powerful, witty, determined; it's amazing I could like a fan-created character as much as a canon one. Asrial was a great addition as well, and provided a great outlet for sides of Goliath we've never seen.
The Barracuda
B.C., Canada
Friday, February 28, 2003 02:32:47 PM
IP: 208.181.156.210

Favorite TGS characters:

Asrial,
Thersities,
Meryt,
Sata,
Harthoth
Leo
Friday, February 28, 2003 01:21:03 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

We had a different professor take over the class yesterday since the regular one is out of town. She nearly cried when she saw how small the class room was.

I decided to conduct a poll

Who are your favorite TGS characters?

Mine are Sata and Sekhmet.

Aria>>>Thanks…My bother told me about it.

Ravyn>>>Congrats :::Gives Rayvn some Pepsi Blue and an ear of grilled corn:::

Gside<<<Sorry, where did that come from?>>>Er. It was a response to you posting every night.<<<See, it worked. >>>What worked?

Josh<<<AHHHHHH! I'm BLIND!!! >>>Oops did I turn around too fast? I didn’t mean to poke you in the eye with my jabba hoobie<<<What is it with you sick people and you're desire to write people with contrary sexual preferences?! >>>Cause Slash fics are fun<<<Very simple, people: Elisa/Hyena, Xander/Andrew, Demona/Macbeth...its STUPID.>>>I have read many Demona/Macbeth fics that were done nicely…don’t forget that the Queen herself had wrote one herself…Hyena/Elisa? I hadn’t read on of those yet. Don’t you mean the Demona/Elisa fics? Heh well I’m guilty of writing an Elisa/Castaway fic for a challenge.<<<Suuuuuuure.>>>Itchy red bumpy skin from exposure to an element that triggered histamines.<<<Women always try to defend their lacking males.>>>Are you asking him to post his measurements?<<<Stupid child molester.>>>No that would be Barney<<<and I don't think she made my list.>>>We know your type. There are many b3eutiful Lara Flynn Boyle types at pro anorexic sites.

Attila’s ghost>>>Here hop into my lap and I’ll give you some ear scritches.

Leo<<>>A perverted Freddy Kruger.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:40:57 PM
IP: 64.156.101.65

Today is the last day for submission, though I may go into tomorrow morning since I ususally check the box then. But the word will not go out till some time after the weekend when we've all had time to talk.
Revel
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:05:09 PM
IP: 129.120.238.27

Heather: Well technically, I would have thought today is the last day for submissions, so any decisions would be made from tomorrow. Although I've no idea what Revel's plans are so don't quote me.

Josh: I see what you mean now. Thanks for explaining.

Taleweaver: Interesting. Although by this reckoning, season 1 Griff is a bit character too, since he was with Arthur almost all the time. Ah well...
Ed - [ed@steelclaw.org]
Friday, February 28, 2003 07:09:17 AM
IP: 131.111.8.97

Today is the day! *crosses fingers* TGS Art staff is going to be picked. *can't help but feel excited*
Heather - [Kheetor84@cox.net]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Friday, February 28, 2003 06:19:08 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

My programming professor got annoyed with me when I asked him if our final project had to be done in MATLAB. I thought it was just to demonstrate knowledge of OOP, so I figured that any language that supports OOP would be sufficient. Foolish me. Our new assignment for that class is to overload the methods for our new subclass. And we have a whole week to do it. And the methods do exactly the same things as they did for the superclass.

This is silly. Fortunately, the homework assignments are worth 60% of the class grade, so all is good.

Spent a large part of tonight modifying resumes for our Apple meeting tomorrow. A bunch of us are heading down there to talk to engineers and have them find us jobs because we're tired of doing all the work ourselves. ;-)

Mr. Rogers died!? Stupid child molester. You know I'm right.

Ed: <<Oh ye of little faith>>: Not really. I think my assessment of TGS's capabilities is perfectly logical. You have scores of characters, and only a few writers. Worse, your writers eventually graduate and move on, leaving the universe in the hands of people who were not originally on staff. Lack of continuity is virtually guaranteed in this case. There just isn't enough time to explore everything.

Question: <<Wish I had your lack of faith>>: Its easier than it looks.
<<they haven't done anything with these two characters besides making them Arthur's sidekicks.>>: Remember that the series is called "Pendragon", not "A bunch of myth-related people in the UK".

Rev. Attila: <>: Damn hippies.
<<There is a movement to recall Gray Davis>>: YES! The moral of the story: if you can't balance your own checkbook, you ought to be shot.
<<if Germany wants to invade France, I'll grab my M16 and help them out>>: Bit of the Baron slipping through there.
<<Citizen Chiraq has fined a newspaper 40,000 euros for calling him a worm>>: He can do that!?
<<he's even more repessive than one can accuse Bush and Ashcroft of being>>: Not really.

Revel: <<Since when was age a paralle for maturity of ones feelings>>: Since the beginning of man. I don't think that people can accurately gage their feelings in one of their early relationships. That and the fact that I am familiar with your relationship history.
<>: My opinions on the Dreamie/Wolf relationship are neither public knowledge nor the topic here. If they (and you) are happy now, good for them.
<<if that's not enough for you my parents were married one being 18 the other 20>>: My parents were young too, but those were quite different times when relationships and the culture of the demographic were very different.
<<Yeah right, you only wish you had a girl as good looking as her>>: You're kidding, right? I think I've made it clear who I think are the physically attractive girls in this fandom, and I don't think she made my list.

Leo: << No luck with that dream job at Apple?>>: I haven't given up yet, but I'd be a fool to place all my hopes on the Apple job. I'm applying to multiple companies.
<<Compared to those, I think Demona/Macbeth is a slight possibility>>: Just because someone can write something that makes less sense doesn't mean something else isn't still stupid.

Gside: <>: So its come to this, has it?
<<Could it be that we're growing apart?>>: Stranger things have happened.
<<even shee acknowledged the greatness of porn>>: As if porn needed any acknowledgement.

Lain: <<TAKE IT NOW>>: You forgot to add "who's my bitch?"

136. If I build a bomb, I will simply remember which wire to cut if it has to be deactivated and make every wire red.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, February 28, 2003 03:52:16 AM
IP: 67.118.117.192

gabe>> <<As for the Kurds>> (on a sort-of aside..) have you checked out what the cia has to say about sadaam gassing the kurds? its interesting.

dph>> <<Hopefully, you're not too mad about me about requesting an end to the shipments of cold artic air that are headed for Arkansas>> yes! yes i was offended! take that damned cold air i say! TAKE IT NOW!!!! ;)
lain
Friday, February 28, 2003 01:04:06 AM
IP: 65.93.76.100

Imzadi> I don't believe I have anything to say to you. Could it be that we're growing apart?

Attila> <<Woodorw Wilson strikes me as a candidate for that honor>>: Jersey boy.

Revel> <<All I needed were oranges and porn>>: See, even shee acknowledged the greatness of porn.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:44:37 PM
IP: 198.151.130.245

ASCAP will be having their anual East Cost Membership meeting in New York this March. I may actually go this time. It's at the New York Marriot Marquis. Any of you Gathering staffers familiar with this hotel?
Speaking of New York, I think the chosen WTC design is an abstract, "artsy-fartsy" piece of trash. :p

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Spacebabie's Tall Drink of Texas Beef (a.k.a. Revel): :p
<<pics and writing and goodies>>speaking of pics, I noticed the one with Death and Pest from the round robin. I thought Pest's expression made him look like an incarnation of Freddie Kruger. :-)

No mention about the judge in you local paper?

Patrick:<<After all, isn't running for President the reason she wanted to become a Senator?>>She's probably waiting wait till 2008 when she (more than likely) won't be running against an incumbant. And besides, she hasn't even compleated her first senatorial term.

Josh:<<The interview with Raytheon went pretty well, I think they'll make me an offer for the summer.>> No luck with that dream job at Apple? <<Very simple, people: Elisa/Hyena, Xander/Andrew, Demona/Macbeth...its STUPID. Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but these border on ridiculous.>>Be glad you haven seen Harry Potter/Frodo, Demona/Snape, Brittney Spears/Dumbledore (she kills him with her singing by the way). Shall I continue? Compared to those, I think Demona/Macbeth is a slight possibility. :-)

Leo
Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:02:07 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Had class today, no biggy, but I did enjoy the extended weekend since I have another one coming up again so it's all good.

Josh- What does my age have to do with it, maybe if I was 13 and she was the first girl who came on to me, but we both know that is not the case. Since when was age a paralle for maturity of ones feelings? I guess because Dreamie is only 19-20 that she does not really love Winterwolf becuase she is too young. I don't think so. And if that's not enough for you my parents were married one being 18 the other 20. <<AHHHHHH! I'm BLIND!!!>> Yeah right, you only wish you had a girl as good looking as her. <<Women always try to defend their lacking males>> Again, yeah right.<<I'm an @$$hole-e-o-e-o>> Maybe I shouldn't be singing this song, ranting and ranving and carrying one, maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong... Naaaaah.

Ravyn- Good luck to you.

"The world is right again. All I needed were oranges and porn."
-Autumn, tonight at dinner-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Thursday, February 27, 2003 09:39:32 PM
IP: 129.120.238.27

Kai> I was referring to the Mennonites who are there, those who have a *religious* convinction, what have felt a *calling*. I wasn't talking about the "hate america stinky socialists" that are there on spring break from classes on there parents' credit cards.

As for the Kurds, I have no doubt the Mennonite Central Committee was doing what it could to help bring peace, just as they are trying in Colombia and Israel, taking NO sides and sending people there to be negotiators and shields. I have no doubt the blinded leftists there are hypocrites-- in fact, they blantantly are, which is why I have left activism. Anyways, my beef was with the article failing to mention the Christians that are there, and focusing only on the socialists that are there.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Thursday, February 27, 2003 06:08:36 PM
IP: 66.169.209.155

tony Elliot> Glad you liked the story. It's a bit of preening on my part, but I'm always glad an old story gains a new fan.

Hero assesment>
On Lucy and all the others I based the heroic rating on their status as a characer (main, secondary, recurring or bit) and their opportunity for heroic action. I rate character status based on the kind of interaction with other characters. A bit character usually only deals with one character like Jane Nelson only interacts with Brianna. A recurring character appears intermittently as the name implies but interacts with one or more main characters like the way Macbeth pops in and out of stories. Secondary characters interact with more than one main character often on different levels and main characters interact with the most characters.

By the scale, Lucy is a secondary character while Leba, Dulcinea and the rest of the neo-knights save Griff rate as a bit character. I also factored in opportunity for heroism. Unfortunately, the neo-knights didn't do more than sit on their cans for much of the season. Aside from 'Reluctant Thief' in the beginning and 'Dark Passions' and 'Ripper' near the end, Arthur and Merlin took the lion's share of the heroics. They had an opportunity but didn't take advantage of it. Whereas Lucy, who only had one opportunity in 'On Holiday' capitalized on it.

Now Mary's status as a girlfriend is a 'call it as I see it' situation. I certainly hope she establishes herself as something more, but so far she's only defined in relation to Merlin and by extension Arthur. On the road, Mary petulantly grumbles about their situation. Merlin makes an argumentative aside. They start to quarrel and Arthur tells them both to stop their bickering. Lather, rinse, repeat. How she interacts with the others will determine if she stays in the girlfriends. If she goes clubbing with Leba or hangs out with Cavall and the beasts during the day, or whathave you, something that defines her beyond Merlin and Arthur, then I'll reassess.

I hope that clearifies things. I'm glad its liven things in the CR.
Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Thursday, February 27, 2003 05:08:47 PM
IP: 24.205.117.88

Gabe>> Speaking of being a stereotypical blabbermouth, Gabe, why don't you consider the question of where were these noble human shields when Saddam and friends were slaughtering the Kurds? He's still waging genocidal campaigns against the Kurds to this day.

Oh, I'm sorry, obviously the Kurds didn't count since certain people couldn't make polical gains out of saving them. (American, French, German, Iraqi, and Turkish politicians)

Just deal with the fact that these people are hypocrits just like 99.9% of the people in the world, myself included. Yes, they have a nice shiny martyr complex when its suits them. Whatever. I'm not impressed by the courage of a bungee-jumper either.

I find it contemptable to try and glorify such a profound blend of ignorance and egoism as "conscience." It is more sad and pathetic that anything else, kind of like watching lemmings pile off a cliff.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Thursday, February 27, 2003 03:59:54 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

attila> << Because I'm a socialist and I know what is
best for the Iraqi people.>>

You completely forgot, as do most right-wing blabber-mouths, that there are Christian Mennonites who are there becuse of their faith; who have left their families to answer God's calling. Silly them, little do they know that this all-pentrating, magnanimous article has judged truly their intent. *rolls eyes*
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Thursday, February 27, 2003 01:48:17 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Presidential candidates > Denis Kucinich is a political has-been, and he's got about as much of chance of being the guy the Democrats give the nomination to as Al Sharpton does. In other words, don't hold your breath. Overall, so far I am NOT impressed at all with the field of potential Democratic candidates. There's just something very wrong when you look at a group of people and find yourself thinking an Al Gore could liven the race up a bit. And I'm also surprised as heck that Hillary hasn't made any overtures yet towards entering the race. After all, isn't running for President the reason she wanted to become a Senator?

Human shields > I'd like nominate each and every one of these folks for a Darwin Award. And bonus points to anyone who gets killed by a mob of angry Iraqis just for being an American before we've even begun the bombardment.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:39:13 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Courtesy of http://ville.blogfodder.net

The lovable, evil, right-wing kitty brings you commentary of human shields, especially Special Ed :)

I wonder if the human shields will take the slow bus to Iraq :)
*****************
Our Epic Trip Is Just Beginning - Right!
Hi, I'm Special Ed and I'm a human shield. I come from a country with many
freedoms and opportunities, all of which I take for granted. I suffer from a god
complex, low self-esteem, a desperate need to feel better about myself at the
expense of others and I crave attention like a three year old.

I feel the need to take time out from my job and leave my family so that I may
deny you - the Iraqi people - the same freedoms and opportunities I do not
appreciate in my own country. I am committed to preserving Saddam Hussein's
brutal and oppressive regime. Why? Because I'm a socialist and I know what is
best for the Iraqi people.

"The people on this convoy don't regard themselves as special..."

Oh you're special all right - Special Eds.

"We know that millions of people would be here if they could and we are
the privileged few."

You're privileged all right. Can you say two cans shy of a six-pack? Millions of
people do not have a death wish and they have some common sense.

"The average person does not want this war and I still believe we will end up
stopping it."

I thought you said you weren't special? Keep dreaming.

"I miss my wife and children and there are times when I have thought about
going home," he said. "But I have spoken to my wife and we have agreed it
will achieve nothing if I do."

Mommy, where's daddy? Believe me - you will achieve nothing.

"When (I) return home after this experience (I) will be exhausted and need
time to get over it, but (I) need to feel (I) gave it my best shot."

Its all about you, your needs and your feelings isn't it? If you want an
experience try skydiving or mountain climbing. Let me give you some
damn good advice Special Ed: Leave Iraq and return to your family or
you may be going home in a box.

"2/26/03 (AP) - Gen. Tommy Franks said American and allied forces would not
be able to assure the safety of civilians who deliberately position themselves
as human shields against attack on Iraqi targets."

You've been warned - blithering idiots.
*********************

In other news, Phil Donahue's show has been cancelled. I think it lasted longer than the Chevy Chase show, though :)

This may interest Imzadi, Lilla, Crzy, Tailweaver, and Godiva. There is a movement to recall Gray Davis.

Patrick> Here's something funny from your end of the world. Dennis Kucinich has announced he may run for President. He wrecked Cleveland 25 years ago, and now he can do the same for the US. He will also plan to establish a Department of Peace ::snerk:: If you think the Patriot Act is Orwellian, just imagine a Department of Peace. Next he'll make Imagine the National Anthem and Woodstock the new capitol.

Add that to Jerry Springer pondering a US Senate run and I can just imagine Jay Leno's Ohio material :)

In other news, Bush may not be the brightest Presidnet we've had (Woodorw Wilson strikes me as a candidate for that honor), he's a definiet step up from Gerhard Schroeder and Jacques the balding weasel Chiraq (or is that mange). I hear Angelika Merkel has been comapred to Margaret Thatcher. Now, she may have a tough time being Germany's best Chancellor ever (I give Bismark that honor), but I imagine she'll be a lot better than Schroeder. And if Germany wants to invade France, I'll grab my M16 and help them out :)

Speaking of France, land of unwashed women who don't shave their armpits, Citizen Chiraq has fined a newspaper 40,000 euros for calling him a worm. Well, I admit that it may be bad to leak out state secrets like that, but he's even more repessive than one can accuse Bush and Ashcroft of being.

Let's not forget that it is illegal to burn the French flag or to make fun of its National Anthem.

Dezi> So China took an Onion story as truth. They need better spies.
ghost of Reverend Attila
Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:56:09 AM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Josh<My newfound pessimism dictates a lack of faith in the TGS staffs ability to adequately explore this topic. >

Wish I had your lack of faith.

I doubt Rory geting sidelined or ignored is even an issue considering that even bothered to introduce his uncontrollable rage. However I do see Dulcinea or Leba getting sidelined or possibly written out considering that they haven't done anything with these two characters besides making them Arthur's sidekicks.
The Question
Thursday, February 27, 2003 09:39:50 AM
IP: 66.19.28.110

Actually I tend to agree that classifying Mary as just another girlfriend character is a little extreme. I don’t think the evidence of season 3 supports that. Personally, I've always been a bit suspicious of these pleasant blonde girlfriend-types like Jennifer, Andrea and Joanna that wafted in and out of the stories relatively inconsequentially. Mary though was effectively the female lead of season 3 though and was established as an independent character in "The Curse of Rivencroft" long before she became attached to Merlin. She also has, through her dad, a rather unique relationship with Morgana who was basically the principal antagonist of the season.

Taleweaver: I thought your heroes run-through was interesting, although I'm not really sure what your criteria are here. How do you go about judging heroism? I’m surprised that Lucy got a higher rating than fully fledged knights like Dulcinea and Leba.

Josh: Oh ye of little faith.
Ed - [ed@steelclaw.org]
London, England
Thursday, February 27, 2003 08:59:17 AM
IP: 131.111.8.97

Well, I'll admit that I probably shouldn't have said anything; the real reason for my post was that, so far, nobody was commenting on Taleweaver's post, and I was hoping to jump-start things a little. (I hope that when we air "Pendragon"'s fourth season, people will notice here and actually comment on the episodes).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, February 27, 2003 07:18:12 AM
IP: 65.57.59.205

(Enters slowly, wearing a red, zip-up cardigan... places a set of puppets (a king, an owl, and a tiger) on a old, red trolly-car near the Teatable of Peace, before lighting a lone candle...)

On this day, Fred Rogers, ordained Presbytarian minister and creator of "Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood", died of cancer. He was 74.

The neighborhood will never be the same...

[long moment of silence]

Maintain and Check Six.

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, February 27, 2003 05:40:26 AM
IP: 65.35.132.55

The interview with Raytheon went pretty well, I think they'll make me an offer for the summer. The good news is that their El Segundo campus is just an hour from home, which means I can live there.

And I'd get to work on top-secret ground based radar. Oops. Now I have to kill you all.

Patrick: <>: I have bad news for you: Gargoyles will never win on its own merits. Like all other pop culture, it wins by exposure. The more people that see gargoyles, the more people that will vote for it later. But if no one sees it, no one will know to vote for it to see it later. It's a nasty catch-22. When was the last time something GOOD became popular when no one had heard about it?

Revel: <<snappy twist of my words I'll admit>>: Its a gift.
<>: My money is on not. You're 23.

Taleweaver: <<Rory must reconcile with an alter ego that isn’t completely under his control>>: Nor should it be.
<<what else Cuculian has in story for Rory>>: My newfound pessimism dictates a lack of faith in the TGS staffs ability to adequately explore this topic.
<<It appears Oberon and Titania have forgotten her>>: I disagree. But she is being punished, and I'd spend my time somewhere that didn't suck if that were the case.
<<he’s a dog that turns to stone during the day>>: Bet that makes cleanup a breeze.
<<It must be a trial by fire that anyone who dabbles with magic must mess up a spell in a way that sparks an adventure. Not like science where if you mess up you stink up the whole house for a weak or zap your curly hair straight trying to increase the frequency to a low voltage motor>>: Disagree again. Its the scale of adventure you're arguing. The fact is that its a trial by fire that the learner must deal with consequences of an action gone awry. Bigger actions, bigger consequences. You blow something up in your basement and you only affect your house. Now try building a nuclear reactor. Bigger effects.
<<she also has spunk>>: This is dirty.
<<Jennifer exercises remarkable patience and understanding being involved with him>>: SUCKER!

Spacebabie: <<shorts, flip flops and a cut off>>: AHHHHHH! I'm BLIND!!!
<<Might even prompt some Xander/Andrew slash fics>>: What is it with you sick people and you're desire to write people with contrary sexual preferences?! And the desire to put people together that hate each other. Very simple, people: Elisa/Hyena, Xander/Andrew, Demona/Macbeth...its STUPID. Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but these border on ridiculous.
<<Why did n't they ever do an episode on exploding students?>>: Too much fun.
<<Poor Clark he thinks he's like a Saijin>>: I love how easily that could have been interpreted in multiple ways. Maybe its not "rule", maybe its "protect" or "watch over". On the other hand, maybe he should kick Lex's ass and take over Luthercorp.
<<It was an allergic reaction dude.>>: Suuuuuuure.
<>: Thank you.
<<New color new icon?>>: Hell no. That would totally contradict my personality.
<<Trust me…He doesn’t lack anything>>; Women always try to defend their lacking males.

Anonymous: <<a war is coming>>: You don't know that for certain.
<<THEY DO HAVE NUCLEAR ARMS>>: Have you seen them? Then shut up.
<<call me stupid, but I speak the truth>>: No, stupid, you speak US gov't propaganda. Now stuff it.

Todd: <<there is a lot more to Mary than Merlin's girl-friend>>: You're right, you should resist saying it. For one, no one will believe it till a story comes out. Second, people will just think you're being defensive over a character you created. Third, there are plenty of opportunities for TGS to fall apart and characters to never get fully explored.

Leo: Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Ravyn: Good job. Engineers unite. Don't suck.

Tony Elliot: <<Archer is taken prisoner.>>: Canamar sounds suspiciously like Manzanar. These guys don't have an original name in their minds, do they?
<<if we did stop ‘policing the world’ what positive and negative consequences would that have?>>: Good questions. And few people who criticize the US have answers.
<>: They aren't. Canadians just like to think they're different so they can distance themselves.
<<the ~ is the water vapor coming out of the mouth>>: That's not what it looks like...

Gside: <<It's like an abstract class, except it has no varibles, and a class can inherit many interfaces>>: Ah. Then no, we haven't done that yet.
<<Could it hurt?>>: never know.

DPH: <<If the Public School District in the same city as the university has classes cancelled, you would think the university would announce classes are cancelled>>: They aren't run by the same people. They don't necessarily make the same choices.
<<What do you plan to do about whiplash effecting you?>>: Whiplash isn't nearly as bad as what the guy behind me will suffer. i.e. steering-column-through-the-chest syndrome.
<<accounts give the results that you want>>: accountant.

135. My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the last second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a back-up device known as a battery.)

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, February 27, 2003 02:47:54 AM
IP: 64.161.27.30

My classes were cancelled today because of bad weather so I did get a decent night's sleep.

**INCOMING RANT**

What kind of morons run the university? If the Public School District in the same city as the university has classes cancelled, you would think the university would announce classes are cancelled. But no, they have to wait until 6am to announce classes are cancelled. I won't be so mad, but some events for challenge week have been cancelled in advance, like on Tuesday, events for challenge week for honors college were cancelled for the rest of the week. (I don't participate in that category, but it looks like those folks in charge of challenge week have more brains.)

The good news is I had test scheduled for today and it was delayed. The bad news may be that on Monday I might have 3 tests. (Boo, boo, boo, boo)
**END INCOMING RANT**

My driveway is iced over to the point where I can't drive out. Thankfully, my brother picked me up today so I could deposit two checks and do some shopping.

Onward to replies:

Congrats to Ravyn

Patrick - <In protest to the strong anti-American sentiment I'm picking up from our neighbors to the north, I have decided to begin boycotting the biggest of all Canadian exports: cold arctic air. So as of now you may cease and desist in sending it down here into the American midwest.> I'd like to add I really don't appreciate cold artic air being sent to Arkansas.

Imzadi - <134. If I am escaping in a large truck and the hero is pursuing me in a small Italian sports car, I will not wait for the hero to pull up along side of me and try to force him off the road as he attempts to climb aboard. Instead I will slam on the brakes when he's directly behind me. (A rudimentary knowledge of physics can prove quite useful.)> Umm. What do you plan to do about whiplash effecting you? Trust me, whiplash is VERY real.

Lain - Hopefully, you're not too mad about me about requesting an end to the shipments of cold artic air that are headed for Arkansas. chedawt nigeb ear uyo

<93% of statistics are made up on the spot, +/- 7%.> And accounts give the results that you want. (Ask an account what 1+1 is and the answer is what would you like it to be.)

Imzadi - <And indeed they are.> Thanks for acknowleding there was a little some truth in my last post. <And? So? But? Therefore?> The majority of the class seemed to be Pro-Bush. Given the opportunity, I would stick homing beacons on more valuable items in my possession.

On March 9, I will finally have the rest of my student loan money sent to me. At least this is the only semester when student aid isn't dispersed all at once.

*Disappears into mist of frozen dihydrogen monoxide, which is very abdundant outside his house.*

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:39:30 AM
IP: 204.94.193.73

Imzadi> <<What do you mean by interface?>>: It's like an abstract class, except it has no varibles, and a class can inherit many interfaces.
<<It wouldn't help you get chicks>>: Could it hurt?
<<Lucky you>>: Not really, they weren't very high quality.

Revel> <<no, actually I'm not lying. I really do love her>>: That wasn't in question, but you're still at it.

Spacebabie> <>: Sorry, where did that come from?
<<He aint lying>>: See, it worked.

Congratulations Ravyn.

And an Arabesque for the mp3, by Debussey.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:04:04 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

**************Enterprise Spoilers*****************
This is the third episode where Archer is taken prisoner. Come on, John, learn how to get out of jail. This was kind of a rip off from the Voyager episode where Parris & Kim get sent to the prison station. “Con Air” (Nicholas Cage) rip off too. The protagonists have to play along with the antagonists to get respect from the other inmates. Bleh, its been done. Still a good episode tonight, though. C+/B-.
**********************************************

‘Things Fall Apart’. I’m running out of good things to say about the episodes. I just hate sounding repetitive. Phoenix rising was too quick to fall to the police. Granted, the organizer, Robert Clifford, got away, but where is he going to get his backing now, Maddox? The story starts off quickly, and the conflicts kept progressively escalating: Xanatos, the bombs, Pheonix, and Illuminati. All of the subplots seemed to be going into different directions, but combined nicely at the end.
What ever happened to Lex’s girl friend, Eliminator? Is she ever going to show up again?

Replies
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Yggdrasil
<To sum it up, don't look to be getting wings within the next century unless there is an incredible leap in our understanding of life in general>
Had a feeling you would say something like that. Well, that was a hellofan essay. I’m assuming that you went into such depth not because you were trying to convince anyone that it couldn’t be done by just saying NO; but perhaps to explain its improbability while still leaving a little sliver of possibility.
<...it does not give you the right to police the world>
Argh! I hate those buzz words. What does that really mean? And if we did stop ‘policing the world’ what positive and negative consequences would that have? And if you do answer the last question, I don’t care what point of view you use; it doesn’t matter who the consequences are positive & negative for.

The feeling is mutual, but that’s only because of the short summers and long winters up there, eh. – For the record, plenty of people in Wisconsin say ‘eh’, or ‘hey’ at the end of half of ‘deir their sentences. ‘deir (their), another annoying Wisconsinism.

I believe that I get decent exposure to world affairs. I watch and listen to the news. Most of it comes from NPR radio; and some from NBC TV, Yahoo, BBC radio, and Comedy Central TV. In all fairness, do most Canadians (that you’ve had contact with) have a much more broad and enlightened view of the world than Americans?

I didn’t know that Americans and Canadians were that different. Yea, you can smack me for thinking this.
<or even why I would need a lethal weapon under any circumstances>
You obviously have never lived in a ‘rough neighborhood’. If you lived in an area where burglaries, rapes, murders, and drug dealings are common place, you would want to have as lethal of a weapon as possible. I’m fortunate enough to live in nice suburb, but I do some volunteer work at a school in the middle of the ghetto. I’m pissed that having a concealed weapon is a felony in Milwaukee, but if it wasn’t, I defiantly would carry a handgun on me at all times. As is, I have to be extremely careful when leaving my car; I make sure that there are no gang bangers loitering around when I go into the school. If there are, they (illegally) have guns on them. Ideally, it would be nice to live in a gun free world, but guns are something that can’t be un-invented. Crooks (in this country) use guns. Banning guns won’t stop crooks from using guns, and America has a lot of crooks.

Spacebabie
<Been in the 70's down here in Sunny FLA. I think Spring had just started>
*Tony clenches fists & teeth in a jealous fury* - Why couldn’t MSOE mean Miami School Of Engineering. Then we could have really cool art-deco class rooms. Today’s weather: nice brisk teens :0~ (my new ASCII face, the ~ is the water vapor coming out of the mouth)

Ediberto / {Anonymous}
<Hi! You guys must know by know by now, but a war is coming. USA versus Iraq. What do you think? Maybe we should pray for the war to end. GOD, IRAQ IS INSANE! THEY DO HAVE NUCLEAR ARMS! So pray for world peace, okay? Call me what you will, call me stupid, but I speak the truth.>
I don’t even know where to begin. Look, kid, its nice sentiment, but when you post stuff like that, those who don’t ignore you, like Josh, will just insult you.
<PLEASE! ANYONE WHO HAS FUTURE TENSE OR ENTER MACBETH AVI FORMAT VIDEOS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AT MY E-MAIL SAID ABOVE!!! THANK YOU!!!>
By the way, quite a few people here have every episode of Gargs. recorded on their computer, but we don’t swap them out of fear of (maybe respect of?) Disney.

Dezi
<Just our standard SVHS cams...Oh but I would love to get my hands on a real professional Betamax. All thirty pounds of it>
You can practice now by strapping 20 lbs of dead weight to your SVHS. Once the TV stations hire you, you’ll have no problem luggin’ around ‘big mamma beta’.

Green Baron
<Actually, what's really sad is France still thinks they are a world power. A number of Eastern European countries have lent support to the US and Jacques the unwashed weasel threatened their EU candidacy. One of those nations was Bulgaria and I'll galdly spend my money in their capitol this weekend :) >
Spend away! Its funny, we get accused of bullying other countries around. Looks like France is learning quickly. *Tony hears in his minds ear “No soup for you!”* - Seinfeld-ism for those who don’t know what I’m referring to.

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Miami - er Milwaukee, WI, Earth
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:58:48 PM
IP: 65.29.132.86

Congrats to Ravyn!
Niamhgold
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:53:48 PM
IP: 209.143.83.90

The Pendragon Episode Archive Pages have been updated. Next step in updating the tgs website: remodeling/reworking the TGS Theme Song pages and finishing touches.
DPH - [tgs_info@yahoo.com]
AR, USA
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 09:46:11 PM
IP: 204.94.193.30

**enters silently, opening up a folded piece of paper he pulls out of his pocket, then clears his throat**

It is with much enthusiasm and even more feelings of sheer and utter joy, that I announce to all and sundry the following:

Ravyn has been officially offered (and will accept) an internship position with General Motors' HyWire/AUTOnomy hydrogen fuel cell vehicle project. She will spend the summer in western New York with the project team, working on the next generation of clean-fuel vehicle that General Motors is expected to put on the market by 2010. This isn't theory ... a working prototype exists.

Please join me in congratulating her on this incredible opportunity. But only I get to congratulate her like this ... ;)

**pulls Ravyn into his arms and recreates the Times Square kiss picture from the end of WWII** :)
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 09:29:49 PM
IP: 66.103.234.220

Mooncat: I voted twice. But I in Canada so I wont be seeing it. It is curious to point out that it's still ay 17%. o.O

Spacebaby: I dunno if this counts as a spoiler but at the very end cedits of the Dare Devil movie, there is a small scene with Bullseye. I wont say anymore because I've never seen it myself. The manager at the theater told me. Something everyone who plans to see the movie might want to check out. :)
Aria_The_Insane
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 09:09:53 PM
IP: 216.113.222.1

Only in Texas......... :)

"The honorable Jim Bob presiding" :p
Leo - [<-------Click]
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 08:27:31 PM
IP: 172.146.49.235

TALEWEAVER - I probably shouldn't be saying this, but there is a lot more to Mary than Merlin's girl-friend. To go any further into this would risk giving away a lot of things about the fourth season of "Pendragon", but she's not just a love interest character.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 06:27:07 PM
IP: 65.57.63.62

You shouldn't open yourself to insults like that, stupid.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. What can I say, I'm an @$$hole-e-o-e-o
Josh
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 05:30:34 PM
IP: 64.161.27.30

Hi! You guys must know by know by now, but a war is coming. USA versus Iraq. What do you think? Maybe we should pray for the war to end. GOD, IRAQ IS INSANE! THEY DO HAVE NUCLEAR ARMS! So pray for world peace, okay? Call me what you will, call me stupid, but I speak the truth.
Anonymous - [brooklyn2040@yahoo.com]
Lares, Puerto Rico, USA
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 04:28:36 PM
IP: 66.50.0.224

Saw this cute joke on a mac news site today:

You may have heard that the Canadian government has decided to assist the USA in the war against terrorism.

They have agreed to send 6000 ground troops, 2 of their largest battle ships and 6 fighter jets.

After the exchange rate the USA will receive: 2 Mounties, 1 canoe, and a bunch of flying squirrels
Josh
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 03:43:56 PM
IP: 64.161.27.30

:::Enters CR wearing shorts, flip flops and a cut off:::
I think it's hot in here.
Been in the 70's down here in Sunny FLA. I think Spring had just started.

Denis Miller Rocks! I saw him on Leno last night. I lost count of how many times I lauged but when He refered to France as a bunch of pricks I nearly fell out of my bed.

******SPOILERS FOR DAREDEVIL, BUFFY and SMALLVILLE*********
DareDevil...Decent flick. I loved Bullseye and I loved the FX they used to show how Murdock sees.

Most disturbing thing I heard was my mother's coment on Ben Affleck's body, I do not need to hear that!

She also does not know who Kevin Smith is either.

Buffy...I was wary about his episode because of Andrew, but Anya's opening liner changed that. Andrew was very annoying in the who episode but nice to see a gay male. Might even prompt some Xander/Andrew slash fics. I wish Buffy did cut of that nerd's goody bag.
I also liked seeing that while some things change other things remian the same, like that one shy girl that was about to go invisible and the streesed out student who exploded. Why did n't they ever do an episode on exploding students?

Smallville...Christopher Reeve was excellent. I don't know what is up with Lana's snooping but Clark was right about Chloe needing to let it go since she practically does the same thing. Poor Clark he thinks he's like a Saijin.
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End Spoilers.

Replies

Gside>>>I know you are loyal.<<<You're just lying to appease your female>>>He aint lying.

Josh<<>>I was worried that Firestorm ate them.<<<Next time use a condom.>>>It was an allergic reaction dude.<<<Everyone keep your fingers crossed for the next month or so ;-) >>>I will good luck.<<<thought I'd change my post format 8-) I know, its radical, but it needs to be done.>>>New color new icon?<<<Are you saying you lack the sexual prowess to satisfy just ONE woman!?>>>Trust me…He doesn’t lack anything.

Dezi<<>>Applauds you go girl.

Stephen>>>Sorry to hear about that dude and I hate to pull a Patrick (Although I think I look better in a dress) but when will Av Mist’s come out?

Revel<<<plops with Spacebabie and gives her caramel and a massage* Soooooon, so very soon>>>Purrrrrrrrrrrrrr

GXB>>>Thanks for the link. If I were that woman I would have put on ice cube nipples.

Lain<<<complete with gadzoolies>>>LOL I gotta use that term.

Mooncat>>>Well I voted even though I won’t be able to see it any way.

"Why don't we abort Saddam?" Denis Miller talking about his discussion with Ed Harris at a Pro Choice rally.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 03:02:11 PM
IP: 64.156.100.72

Hiya ppl! If you can belive it one of my very old friends seem extreamly intrested in this site. So I gave her the addy and god only know maybe she'll wanna help you guys out, with the drawing and writing and stuff. SO BE NICE!!
Phire Kat
London, ON, CANADA!!
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 02:29:49 PM
IP: 198.96.83.176

Hello,
Here is the Pendragon Heroes Assessment.

Ok, for Pendragon, the good guys can be split into human, gargoyles and girlfriends. I’ll start with the humans first.

Rory
Hero Rating: 5 comparable to Coldstone

A lot of unrealized potential here, but we’ve seen a glimmer of it in ‘Dark Passions’. Rory must reconcile with an alter ego that isn’t completely under his control. It makes me wonder what else Cuculian has in story for Rory and how our young Irishman will handle it.

Leba
Hero Rating: 3 comparable to Maggie and Claw

This sassy minstrel has dropped off the map. I don’t know if she needs a new direction or be retired, but right now she is part of a growing group of unused characters. Part of the problem stems from the nature of the quest episodes. Quest episodes like in season 1 and 3 don’t require a lot of characters, 3 or 4 on the outside. A shame really because of all the untapped potential.

Kevin
Hero Rating: 1 comparable to Vinnie

He is the congenial cabbie always pleased to give Arthur and the neo-knights a lift. He is the most ‘normal’ of the group: a steady job, no superpowers. He’s an ordinary guy who does what is right because it is right. I like him in the same way I liked Vinnie in ‘The Journey’, it takes a certain strength to do the superhero gig without superpowers to backing you up. He has the potential to be a good cypher, bringing the everyman perspective to the magic and mayhem Pendragon and crew face.

Dulcinea
Hero Rating: 2 comparable to Officer Morgan and Captain Chavez

File this Spanish horse trainer in with the other unused characters. She has a spooky quality that’d be great if Pendragon returns to the X-files type stories, the strange-but-true episodes typical of the second season.

Molly
Hero Rating: 2 comparable to Officer Morgan and Captain Chavez

Molly is a mystery. She’s a fey, the Banshee, but restricted to human form. It appears Oberon and Titania have forgotten her. She was sent to put Rory on the same path as Arthur. After that, nothing. Her knowledge of the third race seems unnecessary. She could fit in nicely with the girlfriends, but there are unresolved between her and Rory. There could be some potential there.

The Marters
Hero Rating: 4 comparable to Matt Bluestone

This well-heeled family shares living space with the London Clan. Colin Marter is an amiable fellow. His wife and kids have appeared in a couple of episodes. It is interesting to see how humans and gargoyles living under the same roof really get along. Unlike the Xanatoses, the Marters aren’t exceedingly wealthy and space is at a premium with now four generations to deal with. Has potential if the London Clan plays a stronger role.

Griff
Hero Rating: 7 comparable to Brooklyn

Griff is the deering-do gargoyle. If the London Clan had yearbooks someone probably elected him ‘Most likely to become Knight Errant’. Don’t expect married life to tie him down. He has an unwavering loyalty that makes him good on the quest but poor on the home front.

Cavall
Hero Rating: 3 comparable to Maggie and Claw

As Arthur’s beast, Cavall fills the animal spirit role in the same way Bronx. In “The Return”, there was mention that Cavall was unmanageable, but there’s been no sign of that. Basically, he’s a dog that turns to stone during the day.

Leo
Hero Rating: 4 comparable to Matt Bluestone

Leo is the domesticated gargoyle. He’s the sensible one, the father, the provider. Seeing Leo in an adventure is like seeing a lunar eclipse; rare and brief. The problem with being domesticated is that adventures rarely come knocking at the door. And they are less likely to answer it either. Leo’s minding the store and that is where you’ll find him.

Una
Hero Rating: 4 comparable to Matt Bluestone

Una is the mystic gargoyle. The same thing about domestic life applies to here. Her saving grace is her tarot cards and magic skills. Often she serves as relief pitcher for Merlin in the magic department and an oracle if a prophecy is involved. She’s minding the store too and that’s where you’ll find her.

Caspian
Hero Rating: 3 comparable to Maggie and Claw

He is the inexperienced magic user in the family. It might be interesting to see how one learns magic, but such inexperience often serves to the stock story of the spell gone awry. We’ve seen it with Angel, Fox, Alex and Merlin in season 2. It must be a trial by fire that anyone who dabbles with magic must mess up a spell in a way that sparks an adventure. Not like science where if you mess up you stink up the whole house for a weak or zap your curly hair straight trying to increase the frequency to a low voltage motor. His romance with Rosalind is cute and he has a stronger connection to the London Clan than his parents. But I don’t see that family dynamic fitting into what promises to be an even more Arthur/Merlin centered season of Pendragon.

Lucy
Hero Rating: 4 comparable to Matt Bluestone

Ah, the cute one. Lucy’s strongest feature is her schoolgirl crush on Graeme. Her cuteness enables her to wrap anyone around her finger, but she also has spunk. However, her youth will keep her from the really dangerous stuff.

Cervus, Falconbridge, & Imogen
Hero Rating: 4 comparable to Matt Bluestone

This trio has also joined the ranks of unused characters. They were the winged contingent of the neo-knights. Not much can be said about them because they have not done much.

Girlfriends:
These are the characters whose main function is being a friend or romantic interests to others. Most have potential, especially in the relationship game, but don’t expect great drama, the series is mainly adventure.

Brianna
Love interest: Griff
This couple is cute, especially since both are from a prior period of time. Griff from the 1940’s and Brianna from a hidebound clan in northern Scotland.

Jane Nelson
Friend interest: Brianna
A modern friend for Brianna. An innocent friend for Brianna to save.

Jennifer Camford
Love interest: Arthur
She is a modern version of Guinevre for Arthur to moon over. Their romance is chaste one and Jennifer exercises remarkable patience and understanding being involved with him.

Mary Sefton
Love interest: Merlin
This fangirl turns into a wolf during the day and is slowly falling in love with Merlin. Between Pendragon and the future tense portion of Timedancer, we know they’ll fall in love, get married and have a couple of kids. Even though they are teenagers now, they feel domesticated already.

You probably wondering where the assessment on Arthur and Merlin are. It want this post to get others talking about Pendragon, so I leave it up to you dear readers. What is your assessment of Arthur and Merlin.

Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:09:01 PM
IP: 24.205.117.88

Freezing rain moved through again and it nover got above 23 so nothing melted, so another day off. Been getting some good stuff done, pics and writing and goodies.

Josh- Lack of prowess, me? *Laughs while rolling on the floor* snappy twist of my words I'll admit.

Gside- <<You're just lying to appease your female.>> no, actually I'm not lying. I really do love her.
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
still frozen in Denton, Tx
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:47:33 AM
IP: 129.120.238.27

Josh: <this its polite to say "SPOILERS!" > opps sorry -insert sincere apology here-. :)
Dezi
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 08:34:00 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Josh: << Mooncat: <<vote Gargoyles>>: I checked out the page, and it looks like you can vote multiple times. Vote away! >>

You just gave me a "Simpsons" moment there... "Vote Quimby!"

I suppose it could be questioned as to whether a victory gained by spiking the voting is really a victory at all... but then again, if Disney was silly enough to put the voting online (there's a reason, after all, why Fox doesn't accept American Idol voting on the web) as they used to say in Chicago, "Vote early, vote often."

And now an announcement:

In protest to the strong anti-American sentiment I'm picking up from our neighbors to the north, I have decided to begin boycotting the biggest of all Canadian exports: cold arctic air. So as of now you may cease and desist in sending it down here into the American midwest. I expect to see temperatures warming by the end of the week. Thank you. ;)

:: crunches off to work through the snow and ice ::

"Canada is kinda like a loft apartment over a really good party. 'Keep it down down there, eh?'" - Robin Williams, "Live on Broadway"
Patrick Toman
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 07:07:17 AM
IP: 65.43.150.124

My history midterm is postponed, that's good. Unfortunately, they made it the week of my ONE other midterm this semester and I only have two days between them. That means I'm going to have actually work during midterms! Bastards. And I'm sure to have a programming assignment due that week as well, as if I had nothing better to do with that week.

Fortunately, it is the week before spring break so as soon as I leave I'm done.

***SPOILERS***
greatly disappointed with the end of Smallville this week. And buffy was 12 kinds of awful. that is all.
***END SPOILERS***

Lain: <<america seems to believe that the propor place for these people(s) is a) on television, b)in office or c) both>>: I am so embarrassed to live here.
<<we dont pay them any dues anyways.. thats why theyre so innefectual>>: I think its because they don't pay their parking tickets to NYC.
<<that the entire population of canada is in fact SMALLER than that of the state of california.. right?>>: For such a small country, you sure do whine about our behavior a lot. Here's an idea: shut the hell up or put your money where your mouth is (I believe the cast n' crew of G2k1 said the same thing to me). Either you're big enough to rightfully complain and help out, or you're too small to do anything and should be quiet.
<<save the "conflict" in vietnam where a good number of our citizens crossed the border to join your forces>>: Which just proves how stupid you people really are ;-)
<<the world doesn't hold elections>>: If they did I'd never be able to take over.
<<feel the need to "go and help people">>: Two things: noblese oblige (sp?) and charity/pity. We have a lot here, and the ludicrously wealthy would like to lighten their guilt when they see poor starving african children in need. !@#$ing Rosie O'Donnell.
<<the reasons you choose to help those that you do are not so sparklingly altruistic.. as you appear to let on>>: Assume for a second that we don't have the resources to help every downtrodden group on the planet (which we don't). How do we pick which ones to help?

Revel: <<trying to get two women at once while the rest of us are just trying to take care of one>>: Are you saying you lack the sexual prowess to satisfy just ONE woman!? And a woman from THIS CR, no less!? Pathetic.

Bud-Clare: <<Americians tend to think that they're better than everyone else, which is obviously wrong>>: Is not! ;-)
<<What the fuck has Canada done lately?>>: They got cold.
<<Only when confronted with irrefutable proof that men are pigs>>: It'd be a shame to lose another one.
<<You're obviously not familiar with color-coding>>: Specifically, I'm unfamiliar with what color-coding has to do with labor camps.

Greg: <>: I'm sure it was someone slightly more right-wing.

Mooncat: <<vote Gargoyles>>: I checked out the page, and it looks like you can vote multiple times. Vote away!

Dezi: <<At least he didn't call you retarded>>: I'm not allowed to use that word anymore, apparently.
<<Corralling stupid "conservative" people and locking them inside porno shops and duct taping the doors>>: Now just put one of us in there with them, and it will be a real party.
<<proclaiming Al Gore to be an alien, George Bush is a faerie>>: Right on both counts.
<<Ok forget about flying>>: Usually when you do something like this its polite to say "SPOILERS!" so people can stop reading your post.

Gside: <<Gotten to abstract classes, interfaces, and inheritance yet?>>: Yes, no, yes. Unless you mean something else by interface. What do you mean by interface?
<>: You wish you were a lesbian? It wouldn't help you get chicks.
<>: LOL! PULL!
<<You're just lying to appease your female>>: Suck-up.
<<You should see the movie>>: Ignorant fool.
<<Might as well get the ones that give us the most benefit first, all atrocities being equal>>: Thank you.
<<someone did pornographic snowmen outside my dorm>>; Lucky you.

134. If I am escaping in a large truck and the hero is pursuing me in a small Italian sports car, I will not wait for the hero to pull up along side of me and try to force him off the road as he attempts to climb aboard. Instead I will slam on the brakes when he's directly behind me. (A rudimentary knowledge of physics can prove quite useful.)

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 03:03:26 AM
IP: 64.173.20.42

Imzadi> <<Seeing as I've just started OOP, that's entirely possible>>: Gotten to abstract classes, interfaces, and inheritance yet?
<<Do you wish you were?>>: I do.
<<You could use AOL coasters for that>>: Yes, but I was never great friends with the cat.

Revel> <>: You're just lying to appease your female.

Lain> <<(??)>>: Monty Python's Grail. Duke of Swamp Castle is marrying off his effeminate son to get more land. The wife is a very large woman, who as a side effect has a very ample bosom. You should see the movie.
<<why do you choose the people suffering in iraq over the people suffering elsewhere?>>: Can't do everyone at once. Might as well get the ones that give us the most benefit first, all atrocities being equal.
<<one year on our campus, someone made a gigantic 10 ft tall penis complete with gadzoolies>>: A couple yeast ago, someone did pornographic snowmen outside my dorm. Smut is a great way to relax.

Dezi> <<theres another guy that walks around wearing sandwich boards proclaiming>>: It must be nice to be a doomsayer. If you're wrong, all is right with the world, if you're right, you get the pride of a job well done.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:56:04 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Off topic: Call for Submissions
This one's for all you filkers out there (and you know who you are <g>).
The May 2003 issue of Sabledrake will include "More Filks Man Was Not Meant To Know," filks with a Lovecraftian theme.
Click on the link below for last year's issue with the original submissions.
And get filking! ;)
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:12:31 PM
IP: 65.239.13.146

Ok forget about flying *shrugs*
Dezi
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 09:58:16 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Alright that is the last time I do a story on theater. My reporter was actually on the ins with the theater crew (including the powerfull) and I was denied access to anything that would have made for good footage because it might mess up the actors "vibe" (including shots of the equipment?!). Blah. Down with divas!
I took Dottie dog out to the "quad" circle in the center of my school today. We have about a foot of snow on the ground and around noon it was a wonderful twenty degrees. So Dottie got her snow boots on and we went to play frisbee. She had tons of fun (the main goal) and took a two hour nap when we got home. :)
Ah my homeworks done, mid terms are no sweat. Sit back and enjoy Smallville.

Mooncat: <new generation of kids can get into the show > I'm proud to announce that my five-year-old little sister's idea of family togetherness is to nightly watch Gargoyles with my dad. (For proof that he was actually talking about the same show when he told me this, I had him describe Brooklyn and he passed the test- My mom would have described the borrough).

Silvadel: <Silvadel, you're a jackass> At least he didn't call you retarded. ;)

Greg: *Evil Dezi runs amok in Ohio - Corralling stupid "conservative" people and locking them inside porno shops and duct taping the doors* Oh the humanity!

Revel:<Last year I had them all over my door> My high school friend who wanted to build the space ship out of a washing machine- she did that to her dorm door and all of a sudden people just started dumping bunches of them at her door. *shrugs*

Lain:<a) on television, b)in office or c) both. > LOL! Canada must be a nifty little place. :)

Jaden: <some fanatic would walk around> theres a guy that walks around downtown Chicago dressed like Jesus tied to his own cross. But then, theres another guy that walks around wearing sandwich boards proclaiming Al Gore to be an alien, George Bush is a faerie and lots of other things - If you stop him and ask him, he'll tell you all about it and sometimes give you a pamphlet. :)

Tony: <Footage with the 30 pound betamax cam?> No no no. Just our standard SVHS cams. The event was a bust though- "massive" amounts of snow fell on the area. Instead I had to do a story on the above mentioned play by the theater dept. Blah. And the betamax that my dad found for me is consumer grade and weighs as much as a standard RCA VHS. We have a beta-converter deck though were we can dump video from other sources into a computer and then on to beta tapes. Oh but I would love to get my hands on a real professional Betamax. All thirty pounds of it.

oh - preliminary opinions on Smallville--
Does Superman get to fly this time? :)Cant wait to see how this turns out.

later

Dezi
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 09:02:23 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Hey,

I was on the Toon Disney site, and Gargoyles is one of the choices you can vote to be shown on the Thursday @TOON timeslot -- Since Gargoyles is only shown regularly at 11:30pm eastern on weekdays, having an earlier showing where a new generation of kids can get into the show might be nice, and good for the fandom as a whole.

Right now Gargoyles is at 17%, tied with Hercules, Alladin leading at 40%

If anyone is interested in getting more exposure for Gargoyles, it would take a bare second to hit the link and vote Gargoyles.

http://psc.disney.go.com/abcnetworks/toondisney/toon/wanna_watch/index.html

MC
Mooncat
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 08:27:46 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Silvadel, you're a jackass. I never said that it was correct, I just said that's how it is. France thinks they're a major world power and they're treated like one because they're nuclear. We take countries more seriously when they can obliterate millions of people.

And yes, North Korea is doing exactly the right thing if it wants world attention. It sure has it now, doesn't it?
Josh
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 07:56:47 PM
IP: 64.173.20.42

Josh -- so by your reasoning, North Korea is doing the exact right thing because once they get a couple of dozen nukes they will also be "a player."

silvadel
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 07:27:15 PM
IP: 208.59.133.50

TALEWEAVER - Actually, your villains piece might have been a little *too* good - in that everyone who read it said little more than "Great piece on the villains!", as opposed to really getting into an in-depth discussion and analysis. I know that if I were to write a similar post, I'd be disappointed if all that I were to read in response to it was "Great post!" and little more than that. Discussions and even disagreements (as long as they're intelligent disagreements with the focus on the differing opinions, rather than flame wars and personal insults) are (for me) more fun and stimulating to read than universal agreement.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 06:39:58 PM
IP: 67.28.94.132

oh my GAWD greg, that is SO stupid! :P:P:P

one year on our campus, someone made a gigantic 10 ft tall penis complete with gadzoolies. nobody even told them to put a condom on it, for shame!

..going now :P
lain
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 06:05:37 PM
IP: 65.93.73.63

bud-claire>> <<What the fuck has Canada done lately?>> you do realize, of course, that the entire population of canada is in fact SMALLER than that of the state of california.. right? so, despite the fact that our land mass is larger than yours (gunjack (in a scottish accent): "they got HUUUUUUUGE TRACTS of LAND!!!") (??), we are an eensy weensy, inky dinky little country. however, "Since 1947, the CF has completed 72 international operations. That figure does not include current operations, or the many CF operations carried out in Canada" (DND). as of 19 feb, 2003, a few thousand of our forces were in afganistan, another thousand or so in bosnia-herzegovina, and random smatterings in the golan heights, cyprus, jerusalem, sinai, sierra leone, congo, ethiopia and eritrea. canadian forces fought alongside the US in EVERY SINGLE WAR - save the "conflict" in vietnam where a good number of our citizens crossed the border to join your forces.

<<You were appalled by the reports of a man being murdered at a gas station, while others stood by and did nothing, but you believe that we should stand by and do nothing as people in other countries are murdered by the thousands, tens of thousands, sometimes even millions, just so that we can avoid even the _appearance_ of imposing our beliefs on others>> well.. theres two things there.. first of all, policing your own nation and policing the world are two completely different things. your people elect your government to (among other things) police you. the world doesn't hold elections.

why do americans witnessing the world as it is today feel the need to "go and help people" when the people witnessing the incident that day stood by and did nothing? why do you choose the people suffering in iraq over the people suffering elsewhere? (because there ARE people suffering elsewhere that get overlooked and pushed down in the newsmedia EVERY DAY). why is one place so much more important than another? its not necessarily that we "pick on you for not taking enough interest in the world around us, and then criticize us for trying to help those in need" so much as we have this sinking feeling in our stomachs that the reasons you choose to help those that you do are not so sparklingly altruistic.. as you appear to let on.

oh deary me.. im posting again.. the horror!
:P
lain
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 06:03:04 PM
IP: 65.93.73.63

The police in Ohio must really have nothing better to do, it seems.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/5246348.htm

I bet John Ashcroft made the annonymous tip ;)
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 05:53:52 PM
IP: 216.179.3.7

Hi all,

I'm glad the villains assessment was so well received. It spurred me on to write one on the heroes coming later tonight.

For now, click on the link for news about Cartoon Network and what it has planned for the future. I think it works best on Netscape.
Taleweaver - [loremaster27@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 04:00:27 PM
IP: 24.205.117.88

lain: yep , I've seen that one. I think Firestorm posted it already. It's probably too true to be funny.
Leo
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 03:48:20 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Yggdrasil> You're right that Americans are arrogant... The problem is that non-Americans always immediately dismiss all of America's actions as being driven by that arrogance. Yes, Americians tend to think that they're better than everyone else, which is obviously wrong, but that does not mean that all of the US's actions are an attempt to inflict our own values on others. The arrogance that causes us to try to "police the world" is not the arrogance of believing that everyone should be more like us, it is the arrogance of believing that we always know the best way to help those who are suffering.

You are, I'm afraid, a hypocrite. You were appalled by the reports of a man being murdered at a gas station, while others stood by and did nothing, but you believe that we should stand by and do nothing as people in other countries are murdered by the thousands, tens of thousands, sometimes even millions, just so that we can avoid even the _appearance_ of imposing our beliefs on others. You berate the US for not taking enough interest in the world around us, and then criticize us for trying to help those in need.

The US may screw up royally from time to time (possibily even often), and often the motives of the US government are less than perfect, but at least we do _try_ to help. What the fuck has Canada done lately?

Arrogance and stupidity are traits shared by all countries. You can't expect us to take responsibility for our share if you aren't willing to take responsibility for your own.
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Gside> <<But you'd think it'd be under the auspices of another, general law.>>
And include reading the newpaper while driving...
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Josh> <<Do you wish you were?>>
Only when confronted with irrefutable proof that men are pigs... which happens pretty often. ;)

<<You're obviously not familiar with nazi labor camps.>>
You're obviously not familiar with color-coding.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 03:28:56 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Well, I've always wondered what Canada looks like, probably not much different than where I'm at. Classes after two were cancled yesterday due to a fast aproaching winter storm. That storm through out last night and into this morning packed the entie place in two to three inches of ice. Got down to about 15 last night too. Classes were cancled today too, because Aaron set it best, Texans can't drive in nice weather and I already watched a Dodge Ram slide down the street outside my dorm.

Josh- <<You could use AOL coasters for that.>> I have an on going project where I draw people's faces on those free discs. Last year I had them all over my door. *hands Josh a plasma rifle* burn baby burn.

Fire Storm- Personally I think you're arrogant, trying to get two women at once while the rest of us are just trying to take care of one. ;) <> I happen to think being in love is more perfect. <<In other news, the US declares war on Iraq. France immediately surrenders>> LOL, their fault, they have not had a good standing army since the Nepolionic Wars.

Lain- *hugs*

*plops with Spacebabie and gives her caramel and a massage* Soooooon, so very soon :-*

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
what use to be Denton, tx
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 03:07:38 PM
IP: 129.120.243.56

josh>> <> no, no, of course not josh, that would be silly! its just that america seems to believe that the propor place for these people(s) is a) on television, b)in office or c) both.

yggy>> <> i particularly enjoy bushs latest yap with the UN... "now is the chance for the UN to show its relevance (by bowing to every whim of the US mwa ha ha) and i believe the UN WILL show its relevance (or well stop paying them our dues!! HA!! THEN theyll be sorry!!.. oh wait.. we dont pay them any dues anyways.. thats why theyre so innefectual.. um.. did i admit that in public??) BOO TO THE UN!!!!" .. yeah.. :P
lain - [<< --- fun fun for everyone!]
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 02:44:32 PM
IP: 65.93.73.63

...if ever there was Hell, I've lived a week of it.

Been stressed out due to a carpenter who was supposed to come in to rip out the old floor in our house - which developed some soft spots - and replace it with new wood and carpeting. The stressful part has been getting all of our personal stuff and furniture moved out so the work could proceed apace... of course some of it we find later that the carpenter wanted us to move before we started. oy...

Anyway, the works finished, now we have to move everything back. It's spilled over at work, I snapped at a co-worker and got rounded on by my boss. Ish, I need to get unstressed.

Can't comment on a lot of stuff due to all the brouhaha here, but give me a bit, and I'll be back in the swing of it.

Maintain and check six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 01:46:42 PM
IP: 65.35.132.55

Well, that was a short posting day. I spent most of today working on my programming assignment; the good news is that its done and I even improved on the previous assignment. I like this programming stuff. When you're doing it for fun, the problem solving becomes much more enjoyable.

Then again, maybe I'm just not doing anything actually challenging. Seeing as I've just started OOP, that's entirely possible.

Bud-Clare: <<They have licenses for that, now?>>: Oh if only. And if only I assigned them. Actually, they do have a license for people in the industry: weekly STD tests.
<<they don't get suspicious of the fact that you just drop out of sight for long periods of time>>: They just assume that he's doing some under-the-desk work for his co-worker, wink wink.
<<Ouch>>: I didn't think anyone would volunteer.
<<Too bad I'm not a lesbian>>: Do you wish you were?
<<Bad, but probably not lethal>>: You're obviously not familiar with nazi labor camps.
<<Tourette's, I think>>: My bad. But you knew what I meant.
<<a Jackism... One of my favorites, too>>: Now I say it every time he looks confused 8-)
<<he'll have more in May>>: Haha I only have one set. Or rather, ONE this semester. In May.
<<What do you mean 'the building sways'?>>: I think its pretty cool. It generally doesn't sway enough to notice.

Yggdrasil: <>: Sorry, Canada can't be hell. That job is already taken by Detroit.
<>: I have trouble believing that the US is the sole carrier of uneducated peoples.
<<I'll probably be blasted as anti-American>>: No more than the entire city in which I live.
<<To Americans the right to bear arms is an intrinsic right; to you it has always been this way>>: I have a different issue with this right: its necessary to prevent the government from having too much power. It says in the declaration of independence that it is sometimes necessary to have an armed revolution when the government becomes too tyrannical. Never before now have I thought that would apply to our current government. That's why I think we should have guns. This current system was started by people with guns because you CANNOT create that level of change from within.

Gside: <<not grouping posts to a person if they've had interspersed posts?>>: I just said I'd change, not re-write 8-)
<>: You could use AOL coasters for that.

Lynati: the con sounds like fun.

133. If I find my beautiful consort with access to my fortress has been associating with the hero, I'll have her executed. It's regrettable, but new consorts are easier to get than new fortresses and maybe the next one will pay attention at the orientation meeting.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 02:40:52 AM
IP: 66.125.228.220

*glances at Jen's post and blanches before posting the update, hoping she isn't getting that rep*

***Gathering 2003 Update***
This update features a new guest, details on the Banquet, and Dealer’s room information.

But first...the clock is winding down for the special early registration fee of $45; come March first, the cost will go up to $50. So act quickly, before your time is up.
Register online at http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/register.html

Our “name the convention” contest will come to a close on March first as well, barely a week away, so get your entries in now.
And don’t forget the Gathering 2003 contests! Entries are still being accepted for our two calendars, with the Gathering calendar featuring “Gargoyles in New York”, as well as a chance to design the official Gathering T-shirt! The deadlines for the contests are April 05 for the T-shirt contests, and April 12 for calendar art. (And remember, contest winners will be awarded a free item of the contest they won.) Further details for entry rules may be found at http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/contests.html

Now, for the new:

In addition to special guests Greg Weisman and Thom Adcox, we are pleased to announce that Greg Guler, who was lead character designer for “Gargoyles”, will be returning to join us for another year!

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Banquet Details:
Our Banquet, which will be held in the Skytop Ballroom, will be a buffet-style, allowing attendees to choose from the three main courses of sauteed breast of chicken w/ natural juice, slices top sirloin of beef w/ bordelasise sauce , and stuffed filet of sole (meuniere).
It also includes mixed greens with assorted dressing, traditional caesar salad, chef's choice of two composed salads, chef's selection of seasonal accompaniments, oven-baked fresh rolls, chef's selection of dessert, and beverages including coffee, decaf coffee, and tea. (The various “chef’s selections” will be decided by the hotel closer to the convention date. We do not presently have details on them.)

The price of Banquet is $50, and includes a free “Gargoyles” T-shirt, while supplies last. Banquet will also have a special Gargoyles Question and Answer section, like last year’s convention in Virginia.

*

Interested in selling merchandise at the con? Information on getting a table or two in the Dealer’s room is posted on the convention site at
http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/dealers.html

Each table area includes a 6' x 2' table and 2 chairs. In addition each dealer will receive two dealer convention badges. Pricing is as follows:

Dealer Registration Dates Number of Table(s)
1 2 3
Before March 1, 2003 $75.00 $100.00 $125.00
March 1 - April 30, 2003 $105.00 $130.00 $155.00
After April 30, 2003 $130.00 $150.00 $200.00

We need fan support to make this con truly rock; we are looking for people to lead panel discussions, and/or to suggest ones of their own. If you think you’ve got what it takes, contact us and let us know!

Want to be added to our mailing list? Email gathering2003-updates-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and we will send regular updates to you.
Have questions, comments, or concerns? Feel free to email us at
gathering@gargoyles-fans.org

-Lynati, Gathering 2003 staff
http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org

Updates
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 02:09:40 AM
IP: 64.219.130.228

Imzadi> <>: What, not grouping posts to a person if they've had interspersed posts?
<<My school couldn't get me back into any kind of service for them>>: Generally, they wouldn't for me, but it's not them so much as my father.
<<I'm embarrassed to know him>>: But everyone needs that insane friend/acquaintence.
<>: But you'd think it'd be under the auspices of another, general law.
<<Um, why?>>: Makes a good conversation piece. That, and I can spill drinks on it.
<<You'll build up in your mind some fantasy about what sex is>>: I think I'm good enough about reminding myself to laugh at it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:44:56 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Greetings;

Tony Elliot: Regarding Sevarius:

*****Looks Outside****

I don't think that hell has frozen over just yet, although you would be hard pressed to tell.

By this you should be able to get the impression that was Mr. Sevarius did is well beyond the scope of current genetic engendering. We are on the level of inserting single genes from one organism to another on a limited scale. For instance we might engineer a single anti-freeze gene into a tomato, or perhaps introduce a novel protein into a crop of some kind. In the case of gene therapy we use a retrovirus to change or replace a single target gene. There have been multi-gene transformations, nut these are hard to maintain, as the transgene is often lost within a few generations.

Lets think of what would have had to be done to create the mutates. Changes to skeletal and muscular structure. Probable changes in the endocrine, central nervous and sensory systems. The changes involved in functional wings alone would take alterations in thousands of genes. The idea of splicing genes from so distantly related organisms is complete fantasy. Given the current progression of technology this kind of genetic engineering may be possible in about a century, but in essence you would be creating another species or perhaps simple a sterile hybrid. For the most part animals do not possess the genetic plasticity to tolerate changes to their genetic makeup (one reason why there are more transgenic plants than animals). Unless the changes are on the single-gene level there is usually a lethal mutation. This is not always the case as there is often more than one gene than can perform a given function, but in general animals do not handle this well.

To sum it up, don't look to be getting wings within the next century unless there is an incredible leap in our understanding of life in general. This will then lead to an debate that makes stem cell research look like a walk in the park.

As to what I would want to change in the US. I would really like for the administration to pull its head out of the sand and realize that we exist in a global community. Just because you have power, it does not give you the right to police the world. American ideals and wishes do not reflect the ideals of the majority of the world (remember you have what, 300,000,000 our of a world of 6,000,000,000; that's only 5%). The rest of the world may not, and in many cases does not desire to be like you. I really have no problem with Americans but I would never want to live in your country as I have many problems with it on many levels. That is not to say that they may be areas where I would fit in, but when I look at official policy, laws and general beliefs, am struck with disbelief. I just don't think that I could live there.

I don't know if it exists as I have little contact with Americans outside of a academic setting but I would really say that two things have struck me.

1. Most of the Americans that I have met are very arrogant about their country. They are convinced that theirs is the only right way to do things and they are not willing to even consider other possibilities.

2. They are mostly ignorant to what those possibilities are. For the most part they have had an attitude that if it happens outside of their borders, and if doesn't affect them directly it does not exist. I have met so many people who had no concept of politics, geography and simple facts that occur outside of their country.

I don't actually believe that this is indicative of all Americans; that would be too sweeping of a statement. However I have yet to meet more than a handful of Americans (born in the US) who do not exhibit a good level of these qualities.

I guess what I'm saying is that there appears to be a distinct difference in the way that Americans view the world than how I do. Perhaps this is why the administration is the way it is. What I said still applies; I would kike the Bush administration to actually listen to the world, not plug his ears and hum. It's time for him to realize that although he does rule the most powerful nation on the planet, he does not represent the majority.

I realize that this post will probably result in some heated replies. I'll probably be blasted as anti-American, but I have said before that I don't really understand American society. The basis for its philosophy is too alien for me to understand. To touch on the gun issue again I can think of it this way. To Americans the right to bear arms is an intrinsic right; to you it has always been this way. I see the issue from outside of this belief and can grasp no reason why having a gun would make me more secure, or even why I would need a lethal weapon under any circumstances. Many people will say self-defence; I still don't see the issue. It's beyond my level of understanding. It’s like trying to describe red to a blind man. There are no words that can make me understand this belief. The difference in our culture is like this. It's not anything that I can really comprehend, but I can tell it's there. To me American patriotism is viewed as rude. When I see America touting its virtues these days, it is at the expense of other countries. This may change, but for now America has become too secular, too self-centred. It needs to open up and see the world.

Goodnight.

P.S. Any replies calling me a Nazi, anti-American, racist, bigoted...ect will not be acknowledged.

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Monday, February 24, 2003 11:38:55 PM
IP: 24.102.228.212

Dezi> <>
*applauds*

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Fire Storm> <<My family's dog has Parkinson's, and may not be able to live for too long>>
I'm sorry. :(

<<Women that would KILL for a porn license!>>
*L* They have licenses for that, now?

<<My desk is in view of the cameras. The floor is not.>>
And they don't get suspicious of the fact that you just drop out of sight for long periods of time?
*********************************
Josh> <<Everyone keep your fingers crossed for the next month or so>>
Ouch.

<<93% of statistics are made up on the spot, +/- 7%.>>
:)

<<The sentence seemed to suggest that.>>
Possibily only to you. :P

<<Why can't they genuinely want fun?>>
Depends on the kind of fun...

<<Standard human male behavior, if you ask me.>>
Probably true. Too bad I'm not a lesbian... *sighs*

<>
Good, because if you weren't able to find it amusing, it would drive you insane(r). Laugh or die. ;)

<<The smart thing to do was to keep your mouth shut otherwise you'd be executed or worse.>>
Nah... Just mouthing off would probably get you sent to a labor camp. Bad, but probably not lethal.

<<But stupid when they lack sources to back them up.>>
But entertaining either way.

<<Terets? (sp?)>>
Tourette's, I think. Or there abouts.

<<And? So? But? Therefore?>>
Ah, a Jackism... One of my favorites, too.

<<<<Final exams are next week>>: Already!? You lucky bastard.>>
Not really, since he'll have more in May... Damned Quarter systems...

<<And the Eyrie tower.>>
*shudders* Hell, yeah. (I'm still traumatized from the first time that I went to the top of the Empire State building. I was afraid of heights at the time... "What do you mean 'the building sways'?!?!")
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, February 24, 2003 12:46:51 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Hey Revel,

While we appreciate your enthusiasm for TGS and the need to seek out new artists, you are getting quite the rep as a spammer across the net.

First off, when you post your want ad in other forums you shouldn't assume that they know what TGS is. Write out THE GARGOYLES SAGA and explain what it is. If they don't post in this room, the chances that they even know what it's about are very slim. Second, you should actually put a LINK to the TGS page so they can check it out.

You may want to check out the general rules for the forums you are posting to as well to see if they allow such ads.

You are confusing the hell out of a lot of people. Not exactly a keen way to get new help.
Jennifer Anderson
Monday, February 24, 2003 12:15:43 PM
IP: 216.249.98.17

BUWAHAHAHA week's work is almost done already! Yes! And my final grad school application (UC Davis) just went out. Life is...relaxing. At least until I get responses back from my schools. Everyone keep your fingers crossed for the next month or so ;-)

Seeing as I've now been here 2 years, I thought I'd change my post format 8-) I know, its radical, but it needs to be done.

Tribun: <<Germanys oil imports are only to 6% from the Arabian sector.>>: Don't be ridiculous. 93% of statistics are made up on the spot, +/- 7%.

Bud Clare: <<Should it?>>: The sentence seemed to suggest that.
<<What did you have in mind?>>: You said that they're either power tripping or genuinely want to do the world some good. Why can't they genuinely want fun?
<<He seemed like a farm animal at times>>: Standard human male behavior, if you ask me.
<<Do I harass you when you're trying to make a joke? ...Don't answer that>>: NUTS!
<<It looks to me as if all the countries involved are behaving little children>>: I find it really amusing that the politics of the playground become the politics of real life.

Question: You know, you can just link to articles.
<<Your grandparents were probably bubbling in admiration for all the wonderful things Uncle Adolf did like putting those nasty jews and other undesirables into the concentration camps or fighting a war against almost every other country in Western Europe>>: Just because someone lived through Nazi Germany doesn't mean they supported Hitler. The smart thing to do was to keep your mouth shut otherwise you'd be executed or worse.

Silvadel: <<how big of a "player" is france?>>: They're nuclear. That gives them a lot of bargaining power.

Heather: <<can't wait for comments, except from Josh>>: You should know that this automatically invites a comment from me. It looks nice, though.

Ed: <<You amuse me greatly>>: Gotta love the irony.

Patrick: <<PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS>>: Can we light them on fire?

68.56.146.42: Spammers need hobbies.

Gside: <<Even after I've left, I'm back walpapering maps and hanging sand samples (on a load bearing concrete wall)>>: Sucker. My school couldn't get me back into any kind of service for them.
<<A place with a greater angle to the sun, so you actually get snow>>: Ah.
<<You don't know him>>: And I am thankful for it. I'd never be able to show my face on slashdot again.

Yggdrasil: <<who will protect you from your enemies when the deed is done?>>: I figured that if your talents couldn't be used for evil, then they couldn't be used to protect me once my evil regime was in place either.
<>: I searched the Office v.X EULA many times, but I couldn't find that clause.

Dezi: <<My dad has decided, apparently, that all my political beliefs can be chalked up to the fact that I'm in college>>: Most people think this. The problem is that political beliefs attached to the fact that we're in college just means they're the beliefs of someone "educated". And that's not quite right.
<>: Oddly enough, they may change.
<<Last I knew, peeps were little pink marshmellow bunnies>>: Apparently, peeps is also a term uneducated people use to refer to groups of people.

Fire Storm: <<Flame wars get VERY dangerous when people start pulling out statistics>>: But stupid when they lack sources to back them up.
<<Steal them>>: They're heavy. Especially the 60" TV.
<<there are women out there that WISH their husbands/boyfriends wanted to have sex with them!>>: I doubt it.
<<Women that would KILL for a porn license>>: That's definitely not true. Sadly.
<>: Your family sucks.
<<It's hard to keep from swearing all the time>>: Terets? (sp?)
<<where will we find rubber pants our size?>>: At this time of night.
<<You download some weird $h17>>: I'm embarrassed to know him.
<<It's good to see that yours are in the right order>>: That's right. Sometimes I watch star trek and sleep at the same time, but I make sure to get both.
<<what is more perfect than porn?>>: Lots of porn.
<<The floor is not>>: How does that work?
<<Feet are of an odd size>>: Your feet suck, too.
<<evil geniuses never end up dead in the comics!>>: Depends on the comic.
<<the law that SPECIFICALLY forbids watching TV while driving>>: I happen to agree with that one.

DPH: <>: And indeed they are.
<<we had a discussion about the situation in the Middle East>>: And? So? But? Therefore?
<<hopefully one of the longest top 10 posts in cr history>>: Don't bet on it. I often include long posts as part of my top ten ranking 8-)
<<Anybody know rituals for coercing an old calculator into reappearing?>>: I recommend looking. Hard.

Tony Elliot: <<Am I the only one here guilty of doing so?>>: Yes.
<<Final exams are next week>>: Already!? You lucky bastard.
<>: And the Eyrie tower.

Jaden: <<Just spent some time in Chatsworth CA>>: Sorry to hear that. Better luck next time.

Gside: <<we can get it freeze dried>>: Um, why?
<<recently I've been browsing a forum whose memberstry to outdo each other with odd porn>>: You really shouldn't do that. You'll build up in your mind some fantasy about what sex is and then you'll finally get laid and be horribly disappointed/shocked.
<<Freaky porn>>: Disagree. Freaky porn not good. Well, depends on how you define "freaky"...

132. Before appointing someone as my trusted lieutenant, I will conduct a thorough background investigation and security clearance.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, February 24, 2003 01:17:38 AM
IP: 66.125.228.65

Anybody know rituals for coercing an old calculator into reappearing? I gotta find my old TI-85 before a bus stats test just so I can do some of the problems on a test within the time limit.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, February 24, 2003 12:36:55 AM
IP: 204.94.193.12

Yggdrasil> <>: Well, it did illuminate me, so I guess it will entertain me as much as the knowledge that there is no native asian cheese.

Fire Storm> <<My family's dog has Parkinson's, and may not be able to live for too long>>: Shame. With any luck, ours will go soon, and we can get it freeze dried and on the desk watching out the picture window.
<<For me it's more like I am waiting for the next thing I have to do>>: In any case it's waiting.
<<But where will we find rubber pants our size?>>: Sorry, that was a typo, it should have been "110001110110100101101010111101101101101". And besides, I know this nice boutique just off Main St.
<<like the word 'the', huh?>>: Happens to me all the time.
<>: You'd better keep an eye on the Lady before they switch her out.
<<You download some weird $h17!>>: Yes, but recently I've been browsing a forum whose memberstry to outdo each other with odd porn. A newbie just recently posted a Hamtaro doujin, and go blasted because it was old news.
<<what is more perfect than porn?>>: Freaky porn.
<<Feet are of an odd size>>: Mine run rather narrow.
<<Gside mentioned that he probably IS>>: What do you mean probably?

Tony Elliot> <<brain washing media insurgents>>: And don't forget music. From the band up to Moxy and GBS.

Jaden> <<What sort of tribute do you think would be appropriate?>>: Her weight in gold?
<<I'll go to Japan and have the time of my life and send her a slide show>>: Perhaps if you turn it into some sequential art.

And it's back to the drinking for the mp3. Drunk Daddy, by the Cherry Poppin' Daddies.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, February 24, 2003 12:20:08 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Just spent some time in Chatsworth CA. Taken a test to see if I have what it takes to be a park ranger. This would seem like them most interesting job that is open to me but I can't help but feel that I'm just going from one job to another, no real direction.
Oh well, I missed last weeks posts, so if I missed let me know

Dezi-But if we sold mints some fanatic would walk around saying, "What would Jesus eat?"

Gside- What sort of tribute do you think would be appropriate? I know! I'll go to Japan and have the time of my life and send her a slide show. This is me at the airport, this is me unpacking at the hotel. This is the cabby that took me to the hotel...

Green Baron- Well, eat something weird for me and tell me about it.

Tired
Later.

Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:10:13 PM
IP: 172.172.119.11

This is just a repost of this message

***OFFICIAL TGS ANNOUNCMENT***

We here at TGS have begun an artist recruitment drive for all an any who would like to apply. The application and resume for those who would like to apply MUST follow the following guidelines or it will delay your review in the selection process.

Please send an e-mail to: able_squad@hotmail.com

please include your name(handle) and a valad e-mail address if you are sending from some other account.

The resume may consist of upwards of ten links to your art or web site, which the curent staff will review.

If you do not have a web site or do not have at least three pics to link or feel that these pics are not your best examples you may do the following.

You may include no more than THREE attached pictures each no more than 50k or overall file size less than 150k. Please stick closely to these requirements because if your e-mail is more than 150k it will be rejected and asked to be resent with the pics being smaller. I have to stress the file size requirement because it is a Hotmail account and they will die if it gets overloaded.

Do not send more than three, only the first three will be taken all others are not considered, so take your time and send three good ones or find a way to link to more. Please only send one, resume. Questions may be sent as well, but again, only send three pics.
After your resume has been received you will receive a reply saying that we have your e-mail. Only if you do not receive this reply should you send again.

Applications will be taken until Feburary 28, which is only FIVE DAYS FROM NOW. Soon after that everyone will be notified over e-mail whether they have made it and can begin to work.

Please do not flood the box asking if you have made it, it will not help your case and will more likely hurt.

Questions will be welcomed so that everyone understand what is expected.

Thank you

*END*

Revel TGS Art Director - [able_squad@hotmail.com]
Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:28:23 PM
IP: 129.120.255.198

No TGS comments this time. Maybe you’re all thinking that’s a good thing. Actually, I think I’ve had a little too much TGS lately. Except for weekly Enterprise, reading TGS is about all I do to relax with my scant ten or so hours a week. I keep daydreaming the stories in the middle of boring lectures, and I imagining what random folks (mostly chicks) I see would look like with spurs, tails, wings and brow ridges. Am I the only one here guilty of doing so? I should think not, but maybe….
I am getting antsy for another GNL story. Hope M.C. hasn’t given up on that cool project.

Final exams are next week. Then a whole week off for spring break! I have no idea how MSOE can call a break the first week in March ‘spring’ break. Its winter break II . I want to take a cruise, and I could afford it, but all of the rooms’ prices are based on double occupancy. None of my friends are interested, so I’m stuck here :( I’ll just have to find an excuse to get down to Chicago for some fun.

Unless anyone has objections, I think I’m gonging to adopt the Richard Harrison logo.

Gargoyles Rebirth is finished. It's finally somewhat user friendly now, too. http://castellant.free.fr/ <- click name for link

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Yggdrasil
<Hyperion, can I borrow your gun?>
Oh, so your mace & tazers aren’t good enough for a sucide? 8-P

COOL! So when do you move on to follow Dr. Sevarius’s work, mutagenic formula’s & such?
Ok then, being someone who could (loosely?) be called a genetic engineer, how far off into fantasy are the mutagenics in Gargoyles (Sevarius’s guuuee that made the mutate clan)? Being a computer engineer(ing student), I can say that all of the AI in gargoyles like Matrix & Coyote are about as far into fantasy as Puck and sorcery.
<Your comments on why U.S. is not well liked>
I don’t like George Bush either. I voted for Gore. But just because he is considered a moron, doesn’t mean that the rest of my country should be treated with the same disrespect.
<Canadian World Domination>
ROFL. The logo in the upper right hand corner of every page is priceless. I don’t think that the Canadian military would stand much of a chance. But if you keep infiltrating the US with brain washing media insurgents like Mike Meyers, Red Green, Jim Carey, and Diana Krall, you might just win.

Yggdrasil & Tribun
Ok, you’ve both made it clear that you really, really don’t like Bush & his cronies. Mostly because they either don’t care about the rest of the world, or because they insult it; either direct insults or just with an arrogant attitude. I can understand your positions. Let me ask you this: What would you like to see changed? What would the U.S. have to do to make you like us (again)?
Side note: my two favorite beers are Labatt Blue and Hacker Pschorr; Canadian & German brews.

Dezi
<my TV teacher wants me to go get footage of it. If I dont completely screw up, it might make its way onto the local news affiliates. Almost makes me nervous.>
Footage with the 30 pound betamax cam?
I used to be a cameraman and switchboard operator for my church’s TV sermon. They get the service aired every Sunday morning on a local TV station. I thought it was the coolest thing to see the footage I shot being aired on TV!
They had 3 cameras in the church, all had thumb-rocker controlled variable speed zoom with manual focus. I don’t know what type they were, but they must have weighed a good 70 pounds with tripod. There was a permanent shading person who was always monitoring the light levels and adjusting the irises and chroma levels. A switcher who got to play with a very nice Grass Valley Group 4 input (its now a 10 input) switchboard. And then of course the director, a job that is extremely hard to do, even though he/she just says “Cue camera 2… dissolve. Cue camera 1… Cut”. That job really required a sense of timing. Ah, that was some fun stuff; but I’m done reminiscing now. I considered going into video production as a carrier, but engineering seems to be turning out to be a better fit.

Patrick Toman
<PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS>
LoL. Its silly, but I chuckled after seeing it.
Now, is this sign endorsed by the DNR, or is this just practical advice?

Kaioto
<recently: your yada yada yada on Iraq imports & exports. NotSoRecently: everything else supporting the US>
Thankyou. I don’t have time right now to defend my country in the CR. Just about everything you’ve said so far, I’ll stand behind.

C.S.H / Spike –
I was perusing the CR picture archive and stumbled across your two Cornelia drawings. How in the heck do you do that? You take a horse head, and somehow (I swear by magic) give the face with very emotional characteristics? ‘Cornelia in Blue Dress’ looks so apologetic, and ‘Cornelia pleading’ certainly lives up to the name.

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI
Sunday, February 23, 2003 05:28:33 PM
IP: 65.29.132.86

11 :(
Leo
Sunday, February 23, 2003 05:15:32 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

whoops, forgot my icon! *^_^*
Mooncat
Sunday, February 23, 2003 03:01:15 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

10th In the name of the Fay
MC
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:59:57 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

9th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:49:38 PM
IP: 198.151.130.245

2, 4 6 EIGHT who do we appreciate?

ME! ;P
Silverbolt
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:40:56 PM
IP: 81.131.188.198

Oh, frell. SE7EN
Niamhgold
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:36:45 PM
IP: 209.143.83.90

DOH! Second week in a row I've screwed up.
Josh
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:36:04 PM
IP: 66.125.228.65

SEX!
Niamhgold
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:36:00 PM
IP: 209.143.83.90

Thou shalt not count to five...even though I just did.
Josh
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:35:44 PM
IP: 66.125.228.65

5

gunjack has a virus. a big fat virus. cross your fingers, dph...
lain and gunjack
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:35:31 PM
IP: 65.93.73.63

*sees Lain post and faints. Thankfully, dph's hologram keeps him from hitting the floor.*

Kaioto - <It is past time to clean up the Cold War messes across the globe like Saddam.> Yes, if we make a mistake, *we* get the priviledge and *responsibility* of cleaning up the *problem*.

Lain - *puts poster about saying "Missing: Lain and Gunjack. There are rumors of abduction and replacement."*

Bud-Clare - <Disclaimer: I have a bit of a sinus headache, so I make no guarantees as to the coherence of this post. > Hmm. I make no such claim about any of my posts being anything but incohorent ramblings of a crazy man.

In my global business environment class, we had a discussion about the situation in the Middle East.

Imzadi - <130. All members of my Legions of Terror will have professionally tailored uniforms. If the hero knocks a soldier unconscious and steals the uniform, the poor fit will give him away.> Let me also guess: said uniforms are made by special materials that can not easily be replaced. <129. Despite the delicious irony, I will not force two heroes to fight each other in the arena.> Hmm. What about anti-heroes?

Ghost of Rev Attilla - <Experts now estimate the number of Democrat presidential candidates is "into the double digits." The federal government printing office has reportedly run out of exploratory committee paper forms and is scrambling to print more.>Hehe.

Tony - <We haven’t switched yet because our countries dumb people would be too confused.> Actually, I would recommend that we start phasing in the use of measuring temperature in Celsius by requiring that weather reports include Celsius temperature readings.

Leo - <They have a logo but that's about it.> Getting a logo prepared does not mean that much.

TOP 10!! (hopefully one of the longest top 10 posts in cr history)
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:25:58 PM
IP: 204.94.193.64

Quack quack quack AFFLACK!

AFFLECk...going to see AFLECK's new movie

Oh yeah and third.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:17:40 PM
IP: 67.28.64.217

Damn. :P

Second.
Bud-Clare
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:07:26 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

First?
Bud-Clare
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:06:54 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

First!
Patrick Toman
Sunday, February 23, 2003 02:06:14 PM
IP: 65.43.150.124