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Gside> <<Knowing random shortcuts points to much exposure, points to knowing the entire system, points to knowledge of hardware.>>
Or it just points to an affinity for random short cuts...

<<Are you sure you don't talk when you're asleep?>>
He insults himself while he's asleep, but that doesn't count.

<<I'm sure there's a way to induce rigor nonmortis.>>
Sure, abuse the languages that can't fight back. Bully.

<<Anything of the form "X. Why did it have to be X" originates with Indy.>>
Cheese. Why did it have to be cheese.... kinda loses something, doesn't it?
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Josh> <<Dogs aren't as dumb as you think they are.>>
She called the war dumb, not the dog. :P
(By definition, intelligence cannot comprehend stupidity, therefore saying that her dog can't understand a dumb war makes no implications about her dog's intelligence. (Stupidity also can't be truly understood even by stupid people, because that would be contradictory.(I will make this logic work, regardless of how many parentheses I have to use.)))

<<The image of throwing a giant piece of porcelain out a window is funny.>>
When you put it that way...

<<Not if you're male>>
So, you think you'd get 100% of the male votes?

<<My roommate tells me that I usually mumble incoherently.>>
But you must be mumbling _something_, otherwise you wouldn't be mumbling. (That made sense, really.)
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I'm almost done with my AI homework assignment (which isn't due until Monday). Yay! *gets back to work*
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 10:26:50 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Heh, heh, one of my hippy like friends has been bugging everyone at school to sign a petition to stop the war which she will then send to Blair.

Great idea, I can see it now, Blair looks at the few names on the paper and says, "Okay lets pull out now, sod the Americans, its not like its too late to pull out." Of course everyone told her how dumb it was.

I've also worked out who to blame for all those crappy names that diseases and little bacteria get that nobody can remember the names of. It's all because of the Greeks and arogent Scientists who like being named after what they've discovered.

Heather> <<Well, other than graduating from high school in a month and a half!>> cool, mine too ^_^

Spacebabie> <<Right now I’d say no, but seeing his past gathering costumes…maybe then.>> When I saw his costume from last year I kept thinking of him saying in a German Accent "I am queen, Justin" Uh... you'd have to watch the Brit comedy 'League Of Gentlemen' to understand that though... come to think about it, it's like Spacebabie looking almost exactly like a celebrity called Jade Goody.

Nothing left to say except damn Disney for it's stupidity of doing a sequel to the Jungle Book. DAMN YOU!!!!!!
Silverbolt
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 05:30:04 PM
IP: 81.135.124.137

Battle Animals: I like what Dennis Leary says: We only want to save the cute animals

Imzadi: 
OH! Bring sliced onions!
<Tell LM. That's her department.>
Ah, like I've said before, she is one of those nice and "moral" individuals. She won't help me with my amputee drugged gay midget snuff porn.
<These thoughts are only natural. You must remember that windows is the tool of Satan, and that only through Aqua will you find your salvation 8-)>
But... Satan is the savior! He will deliver me from the good!
<Kind of silly to buy a mac for that>
Gotta admit... stupid reason for buying a computer of any type
<They might fight back. We can't handle that>
True... Hmm...
How about Ethiopia?
<Then we'd be no better than the women>
Na. We'd be Republican! ;)
<Why bother capturing?>
Oh, I agree. But I bet you will make the mistake of wanting to see the hero grovel before you
<I'm just not a convincing stoner. Snoogins.>
But you would look so convincing in his clothes!
<Which might not be used for cleaning...>
'Tis merely a distraction
<One bed got shared ONCE.>
Wow! All of you at once?
Those are two tough women!

Gside: <They make some good chemicals nowadays.>
Yeah, but I didn't want to do that yet.
<But it's my own decomposition I'm concerned about.>
Ah, it only decomposes dead stuff anyway
<I'm sure there's a way to induce rigor nonmortis>
I've tried. My most successful time with necromancy was when I raised a dead squirrel... then it got run over again and I gave up
<I'm betting he's using her to get rid of his heat gland. That, and general lackyhood.>
Yeah... but the thoughts of Scorpious having sex of any kind scares me.
<But for engineering cohesiveness, I'd have to be the Silent Bob to his Jay>
Hmm... do you have a coat and a hat?
Fire Storm
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 12:23:29 PM
IP: 66.72.188.93

Hello everyone!

*is VERY happy*

Good news from me.
MGC, everyone' favorite monthly contests, made ME artist of the month!
*bows*

Lets see... I finally got a Gameboy Advance and Pokemon Ruby this week. This game is a lot more HARDER than any Pokemon game before. The many types... Boy... I got my butt whooped too many times with mine at high levels..

Oi.

ANYWAY, got some news from my dad who is in Saudi, his boss called my mom yesterday telling us that my dad might have to stay a year over there.
I didn't believe it at first until my mom got to talk to my dad and he said " The valentine's day card I sent you a few weeks ago was a hint."
Valentine's Day as past... *sighs*

Lets see... Anything I want to say war-wise... No, I like to save my opinion for RL.

OH! Robby evolved a little bit at work the other day, he actually got to work on Mangaverse! Not just lays, but actually coloring! So, we mini-celebrated.

That is all for now.

Well, other than graduating from high school in a month and a half!
Heather - [neo_digi@yahoo.com]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 11:59:13 AM
IP: 68.99.148.20

Kaioto,Lain> Here's an example of Pax Christi/Liberation types going too damn far. These nuns are a disgrace to all religious laity. Click on my name for the story.

Spacebabie> Yep. I'm a dead cat, and even when I was alive I was a vicious, evil criminal mastermind :)
ghost of Reverend Attila
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 05:36:10 AM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Back to the first real day of school today. New assignments already, and I'm not excited about them. We scored the second season of DS9 and we've been watching it all evening, probably to finish tomorrow. I also got Entrapment, ID4, and Office Space DVD's. Those movies rule.

There's a great article on slashdot about the 100 greatest hoaxes of all time. Very interesting stuff on there. There's also an article about how LotR is going to be delayed...that's a hoax so don't worry about it.

Patrick: <>: It would have been better if you'd fleshed out the second one a bit more and skipped the first one. You'd have the CR's in a tizzy ;-)
<<then again, this is religion... so logic would be out of place>>: Good point.

Todd Jensen: <<it could be something left over from the days when people used a lunar calendar rather than a solar one, but I really ought to look it up>>: And yet the timing is not related to the lunar calendar.
<<Thanks for answering Bishansky's question>>: My pleasure.

Spacebabie: <<Stick a fork in me>>: Does that turn you on.
<<Why the frell was it so cold yesterday?>>: Because Florida doesn't like you.
<<In her latest video she throws a grenade into the lap of a Bush look alike?>>: Its nice to know the liberal actors are so mature.
<<peach jello>>: Not as cool.
<<seeing his past gathering costumes>>: He just needs a bit of alcohol.
<<It’s fun and they deserve it>>: Agreed.
<<nobody else noticed my Yoda>>: Is that a euphamism?
<<just grease and spoon him>>: What do you do with the spoon?
<<He’s a dead cat. No human decency what so ever>>: Good point.
<>: They're afraid of him. They all are. Hell, I'm afraid of him.
<>: And most importantly, I'm there! ;-)
<<You got lucky>>: It was not luck. I'm just that good.
<<Why?>>: Presumably to talk to my mother. She's a registered hippy.
<<Smart kid>>: That he is.
<<When was the last time you had poached eggs?>>: I don't remember. Have they changed shape at any time in the last 22 years?
<<They expect us to call them in advance>>: And they charge us when we don't. We should charge them for the same convenience.

Kaioto: <<Lawful good is not supposed to mean Lawful Stupid>>: I miss those days. D&D of long ago...
<<flayed men with a whip>>: I didn't know you could do that.
<<Jehovah's witnesses I've met (who would have me believe they would just stand there and do nothing to stop me if I decided to remove a passer-by's eyeball with a spoon just for kicks>>: LOL!
<<A sin of omission can be just as damning, or even more so, than a sin of action.>>: An excellent point. I like the way you think.
<<In some circumstances, you can’t safely bridge the gap between the ideal and the practical>>: Only in theory are theory and practice the same.
<<the Church’s stance on many of these brutal dictatorships like Iraq is that it closely resembles their mishandling of the Sexual Abuse Scandal>>: Interesting outlook.

Greg X: <<Big plans for the vampires. Wait till you see what we've got>>: Tired of waiting. Deliver.
<<Hell has frozen over. I am now a Madonna fan!>>: Whoa. Never thought it.
<< he's the voice of Leonardo Leonardo in the "Clerks" animated series. That alone makes him awesome!>>: True, but it doesn't absolve him of his political stance.
<<this is all just my opinion, I could be wrong>>: You don't look like Dennis Miller.
<<guests>>: Best of luck with those.

Fire Storm: <<every year they say they will be there, but they cancel a month before>>: That's why the smart people hold them in LA.

Dezi: <<all of a sudden lunged at the light and slammed into the wall>>: Sorry I missed that one.
<<now they can run in the street innocently and get hit by cars>>: But according to PETA, they're free!
<<I'm sure most of them would stay out of it on their own if we gave them the chance>>: They usually do, the problem is that we bribe or torture them until they concede.
<>: Dogs aren't as dumb as you think they are.
<<if all you do is work all day so everyone else can benefit off of you,and in the end, you are merely a good citizen of the state, then why work at all?>>: Because its the everyone's advantage to work together.
<<they could, but it would hurt anyone it landed on very badly>>: True.
<<Cut off their paws?>>: Uh, no.
<<just because you are of a certain major, doesn't mean that you might have a vast untapped pool of knowledge about something else>>: Thank you, now if only everyone else was as bright as you.
<<My boyfriend was the monkey>>: I bet he was.
<<Oh, my brain? It's in good working order too, well, since I last had it checked out>>: Might want to think about a re-check.
<<Sure there is.>>: I stand corrected. Congrats for having an official code.
<>: That's horrible.

Question: No, really. STOP posting entire articles.

Gabriel: <<disciplining his children for their disobedience>>: I don't think flaying and killing first-born sons is an acceptable method of discipline.

Bud Clare: <>: The image of throwing a giant piece of porcelain out a window is funny.
<<there are so many more compelling reasons to not vote for you>>: Not if you're male 8-)
<<Coward>>: That's why they pay me the big bucks.
<<What the hell is wrong with you?>>: Transvestite Fetishism.

DPH: <<which is cheaper: buying a new printer or 2 ink cartridges?>>: Depends on the printer and the cartridge. New cartridges are as high as $30, while printers are as low as $80 or so. Sometimes you can get them free with a new computer. But no GOOD printer is going to be $80. And that's why laser printers rule.
<<some French have truely forgotten how we saved their butts>>: Every generation.
<<isn't there any way we can cut down the number of deaths and injuries caused by friendly fire?>>: Not without giving away troop positions. Friendly fire is a necessarily evil of war, because its so chaotic. We can reduce friendly fire by lobbing more Tomahawks.
<<In the ST:DS9 universe, it was mentioned that that the Kahless (spelling?)'s clone condemned the war between the Klingons and the Cardassians>>: I remember that. The problem is that it was justified, because they're both bastards and should fight to the death.
<<Fighting a war because of idealogoy is extremely unjustified>>: I disagree. Ideology is the only justified reason to fight.
<<Counts the number of emails sent out that I didn't say anything about in the cr>>: That's irrelevant.
<>: Is it sentient? If it is, then you've probably let the mushrooms sit too long.
<<Don't you know who you are?>>: Not funny.

Gside: <<What did you do wrong>>: No public intoxication.
<<intermediate cosine multiplier doesn't have the same ring>>: I disagree. Plus it sounds more technical.
<<Queen for life>>: I bet.
<<who have done distinguished work in a liberal arts curriculum, including foreign language study>>: I just think that means they accept foreign language as a valid liberal arts curriculum (which is nice, because I sure don't).
<<you didn't ask for what they had done for pure goodness of the world out of the kindness of their hearts>>: Nothing.
<<with most Microsoft products, it's easy enough to jump there at the start>>: Actually, its gotten to the point where I blame problems in other people's programs on Microsoft.
<<Use the plans you haven't posted yet to take the world from them>>: But they'll already have all my rules to protect themselves!
<<Make sure to get the good hot dogs, and a couple steps away from the leanest ground beef>>: Costco's got some great cheap ground beef (12% fat). How's that?
<>: That's fair. I expect it.
<<it's still another thing to care about on a computer>>: Um, yeah. How is that different from Windows?
<>: True.
<<That's just what he wants you to think>>: Fine by me.
<>: Too bad for you.
<<Most profs post old versions of their tests anyway>>: Maybe where you go to school.
<<Knowing random shortcuts points to much exposure, points to knowing the entire system, points to knowledge of hardware.>>: Tell that to a Photoshop artist.
<>: I bet you do.
<<Are you sure you don't talk when you're asleep?>>: In fact, I have been known to mumble. But its highly unlikely that I insult anyone during that time. My roommate tells me that I usually mumble incoherently.
<<it's my own decomposition I'm concerned about>>: I promise you'll decompose in due time.
<<for engineering cohesiveness, I'd have to be the Silent Bob to his Jay>>: We don't need engineering cohesiveness to play stoners.
<<Anything of the form "X. Why did it have to be X" originates with Indy>>: All hail Indy!

Okay, time for a few more DS9 episodes, then sleep.

164. I will hire one hopelessly stupid and incompetent lieutenant, but make sure that he is full of misinformation when I send him to capture the hero.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 03:59:28 AM
IP: 64.160.47.45

Imzadi> <>: What did you do wrong?
<<He should suggest a new name, one that makes sense>>: But intermediate cosine multiplier doesn't have the same ring.
<<Even used bottled water to brush my teeth>>: Congratulations.
<<Queen for a day?>>: Queen for life.
<<Or don't care at all?>>: The letter I got does say "who have done distinguished work in a liberal arts curriculum, including foreign language study."
<<Only by manipulating and conquering the entire software industry unethically>>: But you didn't ask for what they had done for pure goodness of the world out of the kindness of their hearts.
<<Sweet!>>: And since they're a private school and can choose who to acept, they've got a good backlog of free days (only one a year).
<<At some point it gets to errors in programming>>: And with most Microsoft products, it's easy enough to jump there at the start.
<<You've learned the philosophy of "minimum effort for maximum gain">>: I knew it before, but the small things usually take small enough effort that I might as well do them.
<<What if someone else used them before I implemented them>>: Use the plans you haven't posted yet to take the world from them.
<<Best of luck>>: Thank you. At least they've asked for money now, so it's probably good. I get to polish the bent friday.
<<That'd be me>>:Make sure to get the good hot dogs, and a couple steps away from the leanest ground beef.
<<Or perhaps an advanced being>>: I just like to mindlessly shout infidel to counteract the pro macness you spread.
<>: But it's still another thing to care about on a computer. And I thought you said they didn't have as good DivX versions for mac?
<<We're fine, since he can't cross the ocean and get here in a car>>: That's just what he wants you to think.
<<The reply>>: And I was hoping for a new car. Or at least a fish.
<<they don't have test files>>: Feh. Most profs post old versions of their tests anyway.
<<Please enlighten me as to how knowing a keyboard shortcut in Mozilla is connected to knowing why your monitor is broken>>: Knowing random shortcuts points to much exposure, points to knowing the entire system, points to knowledge of hardware.
<<My roommate is always the monkey>>: I always start with the girls.
<<8 hours while I'm asleep every day>>: Are you sure you don't talk when you're asleep?

Fire Storm> <>: They make some good chemicals nowadays.
<<Not evil enough>>: Doesn't matter. Cheese sauce doesn't reach full effectiveness unless on something else.
<<But that just makes food that much easier to digest>>: But it's my own decomposition I'm concerned about.
<>: Shame.
<<But the limpness isn't as fun>>: I'm sure there's a way to induce rigor nonmortis.
<<Scorpius and Sckuza?>>: I'm betting he's using her to get rid of his heat gland. That, and general lackyhood.
<<For some reason, I can see you dressing up like Jay>>: But for engineering cohesiveness, I'd have to be the Silent Bob to his Jay.

Heck with it. Just searching for my name now.

Attila> <<No idea. Is it Greek?>>: Not even close. Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers.

Bud Clare> <<Tell that to the people on medicaid, and everyone else who's currently getting screwed>>: The question was how to pay for something in the future. Economic effects are never immediate.

Spacebabie> <<to bad nobody else noticed my Yoda>>: I know all and see all.
<<He said snakes, Gargs used spiders>>: Anything of the form "X. Why did it have to be X" originates with Indy.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 02:25:53 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

DPH> here's a web-site that is, for the most, persenting the theory un-biasedly; I have my own opinions, so I choose to not explain it since my biases could creep in ;)
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 01:34:33 AM
IP: 68.116.248.99

New riddle: which is cheaper: buying a new printer or 2 ink cartridges? How many ink cartridges do printers come up? I was thinking that when I use up my current ink cartridge, I might want to buy a new printer instead of buying a new ink cartridge.

- <Cementary being defaced> I guess some French have truely forgotten how we saved their butts.

I know this is a sensitive issue, but isn't there any way we can cut down the number of deaths and injuries caused by friendly fire? If it turns out that 1 out of every 4 casulties in our side was caused by friendly fire, isn't that too much?

Gabriel - <To my understanding, I believe the Chruch uses Agustine's and Aquinas' Just War theory, which, for the majority of their arguments, avoid the Gospels and focus mainly on the Old Testament.> hmm. Weren't those written *before* the Crusades? When do they say a war is justified? I do believe there a few occasions for a church to condemn a war: when the war is about acquiring land and resources. In the ST:DS9 universe, it was mentioned that that the Kahless (spelling?)'s clone condemned the war between the Klingons and the Cardassians.

War is about . . practical matters. Fighting a war because of idealogoy is extremely unjustified.

After I sleep and have classes, I'll make my experiment. But first, I'll have to finish cleaning some dishes.

Kaito - thanks.

Imzadi - <You know that you probably don't need to post something to tell someone to check their email, right?> *Counts the number of emails sent out that I didn't say anything about in the cr* <But what bearing does that have on your pizza?> I was asking if the pizza combination was sane.

:Knock, Knock.
:Who's there?
:I am.
:I am who?
:Don't you know who you are?
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 01:20:36 AM
IP: 204.94.193.53

question>> might i respectfully request if you could please stop your verbatim quoting AND linking of articles in the CR? if you have something to add to a discussion, or some comment to make on the site youre referencing, or even just want to draw attention to something.. thats a different story - but it seems an unnecessary waste of time and space to just quote and link the exact same article. thanks.

kai>> <<There are LOTS of situations where “lay down your arms” is a suggestion that simply gets more people killed than it saves>> of course, but thats not the point. <<How hollow it is when “Peace” is used to describe merely a war in which soldiers purposefully and maliciously target civilians with murder and abuse rather than other soldiers>> you could say the same thing about whats going on when they say theres a "lull in the violence in the middle east".. but again, beside the point. <<ignoring the suffering of others because they aren’t making front-page news anymore>> i HATE that. it pisses me off that people only care about the suffering of others when its on CNN. grr. <> well, at least hes making an effort to reach out to the people, instead of embargoing them to death. we all know how well THAT works :P <<According to the Roman Catholic Church, one in being with the Father?>> i wont bore you with my theological beliefs. but i agree and disagree with that position simultaneously.. somehow..? <<went berserk and destroyed valuable property and flayed men with a whip to drive the moneychangers and merchants from the Temple in Jerusalem?>> actually.. my bible doesnt say that.. in three of the four renditions, he just "chases" them out.. in john (the most flowery and.. if i dare say embellished version) he "makes a whip from some rope" and then proceeds to "chase" again. there is no mention of actual flayage.. at least in my copy. again, my interpretation is slightly different in that i see it not so much as talking about anger as.. well.. how would he become known for his "authority" if he asked the "robbers" if they wouldn't mind leaving please? what better way to make people realize that giving worship to GOD is more important than paying money to sacrifice animals than by destroying the "earthly posessions" they are trying to pawn? <<He’s also very old>> yes. yes he really is.. <<I’m saying he’s naïve to how what he says may be manipulated, especially in the dirty field of International Politics>> that goes for just about everything, though. <<Yes, Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. Jesus taught us not to hold grudges or seek vengeance for wrongs done to our person. That – DOES NOT – mean that we are to sit idly by and allow – others – to be murdered, abused, and mistreated when we have the means to prevent such atrocities>> thats a big discussion, too. theres lots of places in south america where catholic priests have practiced liberation theology.. but its a difference, i think, between the pacefist and liberation ideas. i feel both hold equal merit, and both may have equal grounding in scripture and whatnot.. im just not sure which side of the fence im on. <<And – that – is my biggest complaint with my own religion’s dealings with international politics>> and thats fair enough.. my complaint with this position youve stated is that if it applies somewhere, it must apply EVERYWHERE. in the case of the current war (which i believe was the source of this debate.. in a roundabout way) if youre going to get pissed at saddam, what about the other guys who hold absolutely no economic or security significance? what about the countries you might NOT be able to beat into the ground with only mere squeaks of resistance? when i see this "philosophy" being carried out to its full extent, equally, with each baddy being delt with in what can be plainly seen as an effort to free oppressed people everywhere.. then i will be alongside. but i completely and utterly disagree with its current blatent selectiveness. if youre going to be angry with your church for turning a blind eye and only paying attention if the situation directly influences them, and demanding that they change.. then why not apply the same thing to your country? if that is your philosophy, should it not apply everywhere?

lain
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 12:27:43 AM
IP: 65.93.72.235

DPH> <<Have I lost my mind?>>
Yes.
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Josh> <<People don't throw out their baths.>>
*L* I have no idea why that amuses me so much, but it does.

<< <<your commenst to Godiva and Bud-Clare could cost you women voters>>: Possibly. But I won't lose sleep over it.>>
Especially since there are so many more compelling reasons to not vote for you. ;)

<<When that happened to me, I cancelled the class.>>
Coward. Wish I'd done that. (For a different class. I still got an A in Calc)

<< <<Dirty paw prints, all over my counter>>: easily solved.>>
That would be illegal. :P
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Patrick> <<Yes, I have seen the light now. I've opened the doors and set my oppressed pets free, and I will enter rehab post-haste.>>
What the hell is wrong with you? We... were... not... talking... about... pets. Or burgers. Or f*cking Sea World. If you want to go on a tangential rant, that's your business, just don't try to act as if that's what was being discussed all along.
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Christine> <<And they cancelled on me. 10 hours of sick time wasted.>>
Bastards.
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Spacebabie> <<They also are dirty, slimy and smell funny.>>
No, they aren't. :P
(The worms, I mean.)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 10:58:22 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

French plea as cemetery defaced

French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin has pleaded for trans-Atlantic tolerance after graffiti was daubed on a British war cemetery in northern France.
Slogans reading "Death to Yankees" and "Rosbeefs (Brits) go home" were painted on the central memorial in Etaples, near the Channel port of Boulogne in northern France.

The slogans also called for UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush to be sent to the war crimes tribunal in The Hague.

"Saddam Hussein will win and spill your blood", one slogan read.

Another claimed the graves were "contaminating" French soil.

The graffiti appeared on 26 March - six days after the start of the war in Iraq, which France had fought to prevent.

Mr Raffarin, without making reference to the incident, pleaded on Tuesday for anti-American feeling to be restrained, calling displays of such sentiment "unacceptable".

"It is indispensable to be vigilant against all displays of anti-Americanism, which would be unacceptable," spokesman Jean-Francois Cope quoted Mr Raffarin as telling parliamentary leaders at a meeting on Tuesday.

The government should also be on guard for any signs of racism, anti-Semitism or xenophobia in the frequent protests against the war, Mr Cope quoted him as saying.

A judicial enquiry has been opened into the Etaples attack, which was condemned by senior French politicians.

Condemnation

"This violation of a burial place - scandalous in itself - is an attack on the memory of the sacrifice made by the British and American soldiers who contributed to the liberation of our soil," said the local member of parliament, former Socialist arts minister Jack Lang.

"Our disagreement with the British and American governments (on Iraq) can in no way justify any assault on the memory of men who sacrificed themselves for our country."

Mr Raffarin's warning was the latest in a series of comments apparently aimed at healing the deep rift with the US and UK which opened up over the Iraq crisis.

Mr Raffarin has already said that France is not an enemy of the United States, while the Foreign Ministry has issued a statement saying Paris hoped US-led forces would win the war in Iraq.

As the government attempts to mend fences with Washington, public opinion appears to remain firmly against the war.

In a poll published by Le Monde newspaper and TF1 television station on Monday, 25% of those questioned said they supported Iraq in the war. Only 34% of the 946 people questioned said they were "on the side" of the US-led forces.

Just over 30% said they supported neither side.

As public feelings continue to run high, the government is also worried that the frequent protests against the war could become a forum for anti-Semitism.

Figures released last week showed a big rise in racist and anti-Semitic activity since the 11 September attacks on the US.

Two French Jewish people were attacked at a recent anti-war protest in Paris.

Mr Raffarin's government "will not tolerate any racist, anti-Semitic or xenophobic acts," Mr Cope quoted him as saying.

The defaced Etaples cemetery is one of the biggest in northern France. Around 11,000 fallen British soldiers are buried there. It lies near the site of several wartime hospitals.

"We are pretty hacked off and I am pleased to say the French authorities are too," said Tim Reeves, of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC).
The Question
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 07:14:51 PM
IP: 67.233.23.38

Kai> <<Sometimes I am – very – concerned with how low my Church puts Freedom on its list of priorities and rights intrinsic in basic Human Dignity.>>

That's because secular freedom is not even in the Bible's scope of concern. The freedom that Christ gives is what we are to strive for in our lives, not this secular notion of liberty; the two are radically differant. The freedom that Christ gives can be attained under any government. This is what scares me about American religion: we are willing to lay down the tenets of our faith to serve the American cause; not only this, but other citizen's in differant counries are willing to do the same for their country.

<<Jesus smote men with his own hand for the non-violent crime of defiling God’s Temple with commerce>>

That sin (and blaphemy) is more violent that you're giving it credit for. Every sin is violence against God. What they were doing was violence upon God through disobedience and mockery against Him. I wouldn't relate it to a justification for self-defense, but moreso like a father disciplining his children for their disobedience.

But, yes, I do believe she's talking of the Jesus who spared an adulteress from the required death (according to the Law).

<<That's a big difference in the Catholic Church's teachings on use of force and say, some of the Jehovah's witnesses I've met (who would have me believe they would just That's a big difference in the Catholic Church's teachings on use of force and say, some of the Jehovah's witnesses I've met (who would have me believe they would just stand there and do nothing to stop me if I decided to remove a passer-by's eyeball with a spoon just for kicks) >>

To my understanding, I believe the Chruch uses Agustine's and Aquinas' Just War theory, which, for the majority of their arguments, avoid the Gospels and focus mainly on the Old Testament.

As for "stand[ing] there and do[ing] nothing," this is largely misuderstood. For one, standing there and doing nothing is not Christian in the slightest, however we are boind to this command: "offer no resistance to one who is evil" or "resist ye not who is evil" (if you like the King James better ;]) This does not mean to stand by and watch. A verse I read somewhere else (and I can't quote and give citations) also says something to the effect that a man is great when he lays down his own for the life of his fellow man.

If we read these two together, we can get the proper response one should give when faced with a man bent on "remov[ing] a passer-by's eyeball with a spoon just for kicks" : namely, intervening with our own selves non-violenty, giving our own lives so that the other can make a "getaway," so to speak.

Also, I don't know of any teaching that calls for one to intervene violently. Perhaps in the Old Covenant (which I am sadly not well-versed in) when God's covenant was with Israel and not the world, but nothing in the New Testament that I know of would teach a voilent intervention on behalf of someone else.

Anyone can readily see the Gospel's impractibility in the spehere of international politics (at least if you're thinking in terms of coming out on top dollar- and power-wise). To me, this should be a tip-off into the nature of politics in general.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 07:02:50 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Heh. Rivera's a joke anyway.
But I wonder if the Pentagon has any "pull" over the journalists from other countries? I mean, can they make a journalist from the Moscow Times (or whatever) leave the war because they don't like what was said? Honest question, no bias. Besides, Rivera showed lack of journalistic responsibility anyway (-refers back to the SWAT team and the helicopters-).
*sorry double post*
Dezi
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 05:49:47 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Pentagon Says Geraldo Rivera Will Be Removed From Iraq
By DAVID CARR

Geraldo Rivera, the Fox News Channel correspondent who broadcast a report from Iraq on Sunday night that gave details of the position and plans of United States troops, is expected to be pulled from the country on Tuesday, military officials said yesterday.

The expected decision by Fox, a unit of the News Corporation, to remove Mr. Rivera from the battlefield, after intense pressure by the military to do so, followed a day of conflicting statements.

Yesterday morning, an official at Central Command headquarters in Camp Saliya, Qatar, said Mr. Rivera's reporting had compromised "operational security" and that he had been escorted back to Kuwait.

By the afternoon, Bryan G. Whitman, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for media relations, said the matter had not been settled.

"We have been in contact with the news organization," Mr. Whitman said. "They are taking it very seriously, and we will make the appropriate determination once we have been able to evaluate all the facts here."

But, Defense Department officials and Fox News executives said, the company will announce today that Mr. Rivera has been pulled from his assignment in Iraq.

If he is not, the military will remove Mr. Rivera from the country, a military official said.

Mr. Rivera is not part of the program of officially sanctioned journalists who have been assigned to specific units, but had been traveling with the 101st Airborne Division of the United States Army.

On Sunday night, Mr. Rivera was being interviewed by a Fox News anchor, John Gibson, and began drawing a map in the sand.

"Let me draw a few lines here for you," he said. "First, I want to make some emphasis here that these hash marks here, this is us. We own that territory. It's 40 percent, maybe even a little more than that."

He went on at length with more specifics, and military officials at Central Command felt that by drawing lines in the sand, Mr. Rivera crossed one as well.

"At one point, he actually revealed the time of an attack prior to its occurrence," Lt. Mark Kitchens, a spokesman at Central Command, said yesterday morning. Lieutenant Kitchens added that Mr. Rivera had been escorted to Kuwait.

CNN reported at 8:40 a.m. yesterday that Mr. Rivera was leaving Iraq, while MSNBC reported an hour later that he was already in Kuwait City. But the game of Where's Geraldo? began anew when Mr. Rivera appeared on Fox News at 11:33 a.m., still in Iraq and still with the 101st Airborne.

"It sounds to me like some rats at my former network, NBC, are spreading some lies about me," Mr. Rivera said on the air. "You know, they can't compete fair and square on the battlefield, so they're trying to stab me in the back."

Although Mr. Rivera was not officially detailed to the 101st Airborne, all reporters in a theater of war are subject to Pentagon oversight.

"We practice security at the source," said Mr. Whitman, the Pentagon spokesman. "If they are in our battle space, they are not allowed to divulge classified information."

A spokesman for Fox said, "We are in contact with the Pentagon and we are looking into the matter."

Another United States reporter who was not officially part of the Pentagon's program to attach journalists with the troops, Philip Smucker, a freelance reporter for The Christian Science Monitor, was ordered immediately out of Iraq last week for a similar offense.

Mr. Smucker gave an interview to CNN in which he divulged a specific location for the Fifth Regiment of the First Marine Division.

Mr. Rivera denied in his dispatch from Iraq yesterday that he had made a mistake.

"I'm further into the country than I have ever been," he said, adding, "I'm having a great relationship with the 101st Airborne. I intend to march into Baghdad alongside them."

That is not going to happen, one Pentagon official said.

"We are just giving the news organization an opportunity to do the right thing and pull him out," this official said. "If they don't, we will."
The Question
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 05:08:30 PM
IP: 216.170.210.200

Yes, that's an April Fool's joke. It was already spoiled in the s8 CR. And after all the lengths we went through to make it look authentic. Oh well, at least take a look at the April Fool's Guest page. Winterwolf spent a while working on it ;)

April Fools anyway ;)
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 04:31:18 PM
IP: 216.179.1.54

WHOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!

I just got 2nd row REM tickets for when they play the United Center this September! Weeeeeee!
I have been waiting 4 years. Nothing on this earth is stopping me from that concert (besides a decision from REM themselves). 8-) 8-)

Another plus: I just got awarded the Gannet Minority and Women Scholarship at this honors thing at school. I didn't check the mail for like a week, so I didn't even know about it till this last Sunday. Blah, I hate dress-up events at school. It took away from my editing time. But hey, free money.:) <- REM concert still beats this any day. :)

Replies:

Happy Birthday Chistine (sorry its belated) :)

Greg: I wonder where Bono has been on this issue. He weighs in on just about everything, but this time he's silent....<Of course this is all just my opinion.> Don't worry, I'll back you up (not that that amounts for anything).:)

Firestorm: I saw a similar cat video where they were shining a flashlite on the wall and the cat was laying on the bed and all of a sudden lunged at the light and slammed into the wall. Now that was funny.:) The kid in my computer class who discovered it laughed until he cried and then insisted on showing the video to everyone like 3 times each. Yours was funny too. :)

Patrick: <and set my oppressed pets free> Great, now they can run in the street innocently and get hit by cars.<That animals have more intrinsic value than humans?> No that we shouldn't draft them into our stupid wars. I'm sure most of them would stay out of it on their own if we gave them the chance.<or anyone who owns a cat or a dog and loves it like a member of the family> I do love Dottie-dog as a member of my family and treat her like a person. As someone I care for, I wouldn't send her into some idiot-war where she would only have half an idea (or less than half, as most of us merely have half) as to what's going on. No, I will keep her here with me, will feed her, walk her, and generally baby and take care of her as she is domesticated and largely unable to fend for her self. I am responsible for her because she is domesticated, since it is humans' fault wolves were domesticated in the first place.

Bud Clare:<how is eating meat related to any of this?> heh, its not, unless its dolphin meat I guess. :)

Lila: *Gives Lila a high-five*

Taleweaver: <We're expecting so know she sees every child as her surrogate charge> Congratulations. :)

Josh: <communism by itself is not horrible> It was a good idea, but I think they forgot to factor in human greed. Besides, if all you do is work all day so everyone else can benefit off of you,and in the end, you are merely a good citizen of the state, then why work at all? <People don't throw out their baths. > Well they could, but it would hurt anyone it landed on very badly. :) <easily solved> Cut off their paws? :) <Eventually, I see all> Oh crap. :)< Please enlighten me as to how knowing a keyboard shortcut in Mozilla is connected to knowing why your monitor is broken. > Its not. It was a change of topic. I know they have nothing to do with each other. (Except for the being a part of the computer). < Being an engineer is not the same as being tech support, something that humanities majors seem to frequently forget. > I'll ask anyone who knows more about computers than me a question. Since that usually seems like the majority of people around me, I usually don't go wrong. Besides, just because you are of a certain major, doesn't mean that you might have a vast untapped pool of knowledge about something else. *shrugs* <THAT GAME WITH THE SNOWMOBILES! My roommate is always the monkey ;-) > Yeah we played that one. My boyfriend was the monkey. I had the pink snowmobile. I did pretty good, especially since it _was_ a video game. 8-) <Wouldn't BFE, by definition, be in Egypt> If you ask the 'folks' around here, its Iowa. But yes, I know that it is Egypt. :) <Geez you're dense> I'd like to claim most of that as muscle, rather than fat, as I'm in pretty good shape. Oh, my brain? It's in good working order too, well, since I last had it checked out. :) <There is no evidence of that> Sure there is. And often, they will publish which ever of the main code groups they follow in the papers themselves. Here is a link to the one my school paper (as well as a lot of big time ones) follow.

http://www.spj.org/ethics_code.asp

Revel: <Several people got up and left after that> I heard a report of a college that actually has banned talk of the war unless it pertains to the class lesson. All because of some hypersensitive cry baby who couldn't stand to here current events. They should have just rented that student a cave.

Ok I'm hungry now. Time for mashed potatoes in a box.
Later!
Dezi
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 04:28:22 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Gathering Staff: <The Seventh Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles is very pleased to announce that five new guests will be attending this year>
Ah, they try getting them every year, and every year they say they will be there, but they cancel a month before.

And yes, I went to the site
Fire Storm
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 04:07:58 PM
IP: 66.72.176.246

*** ATTENTION ALL GARGOYLES FANS ***

The Seventh Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles is very pleased to announce that five new guests will be attending this year.

Joining us this year in addition to Greg Weisman, Thom Adcox Hernandez, and Greg Guler will be...

Keith David (Goliath, Thailog, Officer Morgan)
Jonathan Frakes (David Xanatos, Coyote)
Marina Sirtis (Demona, Margot Yale)
Brent Spiner (Puck)
Jeff Bennet (Brooklyn, Owen Burnett, the Magus)

More guests will be announced in the near future.

For more info, check out our website.

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/news.html
Gathering 2003 Staff
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 04:01:26 PM
IP: 216.179.1.54

<What in the series do you think needs to have more closure? What still needs resolution from any and all of the four spinoffs?>

For Timedancer I still think the development of the twins during the Timedances and the acquisition of nudnik need to be covered along with the story of why Maryt is stuck in Cairo. Also Sata's bargain with Harthoth needs Sata fulfilling her part of the bargain and it wouldn't hurt to let us see what happened to Thoth, Isis, Nuit, Yoshi, Jerusha, Pandora, Primus, the Sanctuary and Celer and his relationship with the present Jaspers. Also what exactly was on that scroll that Harthoth stole from Brooklyn besides the magicks for stabilizing the gate?
The Question
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 03:32:19 PM
IP: 67.233.55.213

ACK! I'm sorry I forgot to mention this!

A very happy and wonderful belated birthday to Christine!! ^_^
Siryn
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:53:53 PM
IP: 66.66.97.209

Spacebabie: May I add your link to my site?

(This goes for anyone else who would like me to do so)
Niamhgold
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:51:53 PM
IP: 209.143.83.90

Heh. Still working on some of the images..so ignore broken image links. ^_^;;;

Anyways, voting for Draw within a Shape contest has started...so go vote!

ALso, the theme of the contest for this month is in conjunction (At least I think?) with the Gathering's Calendar contest, Gargoyles In NY. All entries to MGC will be submittied to the Gathering Calendar Contest (including secondary and nonvoting entries). Sooo good luck entering!

And..I think that's it for now. O.o
Siryn - [<--MGC (sorta updated)]
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:50:33 PM
IP: 66.66.97.209

LAIN> <<this is so funny! :D>> Wow, that Lee guy looks like a dumbass.

JOSH> <<The vampires, for one.>> Big plans for the vampires. Wait till you see what we've got.

SPACEBABIE> <> It actually happened. Hell has frozen over. I am now a Madonna fan! ;)

<<Alec Baldwin>> But he's the voice of Leonardo Leonardo in the "Clerks" animated series. That alone makes him awesome!

<<Mike Moore>> Who is a great American patriot. There was much applause in my house when he spoke at the Oscars. My mom hates Bush a hell of a lot more than I do. And personally I think it's disgusting that he speaks his mind, he executes his first amendment right and gets booed off stage, while the child rapist gets a standing ovation.

Of course this is all just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:25:40 PM
IP: 216.179.1.54

**FS enters the CR laughing**
...
**FS can't STOP laughing and just throws up this link**
Fire Storm - [<--- Poor Kitty!]
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:20:59 PM
IP: 66.72.176.246

Happy April Fool's Day, folks. Stay out of trouble.

<< uuuuh.. didnt the pope spend a good chunk of his life under two of the most brutal dictatorships the world has ever seen? didnt he spend a good chunk of his early.. uh.. pope-dom giving the smackdown to (atheist) communist poland? o.O of course he has a strong stance against fascism and communism :P >>

That’s what makes the current state of affairs so sad. His papacy (I believe that’s the term) started out with a lot of potential, yet so much is overlooked now.

<< but what do you honestly expect him (or the church as a whole) to do? he, as the head of a CHRISTIAN church can make no statement more "christian" than "lay down your arms". >>

You see, that’s the problem with stereotypes. People go around making knee-jerk responses instead of thinking through the consequences of their actions. There are LOTS of situations where “lay down your arms” is a suggestion that simply gets more people killed than it saves. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, “Lawful good is not supposed to mean Lawful Stupid.”

<< do you expect him (or the church) to go around supporting military aggression? >>

See, the problem is that they ALREADY DO. That’s the whole giant - LIE - about the suggestion of “Peace” in the International Community right now. “War” and “Peace” aren’t carrying their proper meanings. After Desert Storm, when the U.N. turned tail and left the Iraqi people at Saddam’s mercy, the International Community declared “Peace.” Saddam then took his guns and soldiers that the U.N. had left him in control of and killed tens upon tens of thousands of Shi’ite Moslems during the so-called “Peace.”

How hollow it is when “Peace” is used to describe merely a war in which soldiers purposefully and maliciously target civilians with murder and abuse rather than other soldiers.

To silently condone such actions and legitimize dictatorships is not sponsoring Peace – it is burying your head in the sand and ignoring the suffering of others because they aren’t making front-page news anymore.

And I also find my Church’s stance on War and Tyranny rather selective and self-interested at times, if you ask me. Case in point, the Vietnam War. The Church made sure that American Catholics couldn’t seek C.O. status in that conflict. If you believe what people from the time and the area say, the American Cardinals lobbied heavily in favor of making our soldiers go to war on the side of the South Vietnamese government solely because that government was more sympathetic to the Catholic Church’s missionary efforts in Asia than North Vietnam.

The Church’s past stances with the USSR and its current status with Cuba and China upset me. Oh, Cuba is a Communist Dictatorship just like Poland, only they have Catholicism everywhere instead of Atheism? I guess Castro isn’t that bad a guy then – please!

Sometimes I am – very – concerned with how low my Church puts Freedom on its list of priorities and rights intrinsic in basic Human Dignity.

<< is there some other son of GOD that im not aware of? you know, the one who was into killing people?? >>

You mean Jesus Christ? According to the Roman Catholic Church, one in being with the Father? Jehovah, who when Pharoh would not release the Hebrews from bondage, smote Egypt with plague upon plague until finally striking every first-born child in the nation dead – just to break the bonds of slavery over His Chosen people?

You mean Jesus Christ, the Son of God who went berserk and destroyed valuable property and flayed men with a whip to drive the moneychangers and merchants from the Temple in Jerusalem? Jesus smote men with his own hand for the non-violent crime of defiling God’s Temple with commerce. The Gospel reading Sunday before last was this exact passage, teaching that anger is dangerous, like many things, but is itself only a means to accomplish things - for good or for evil. That’s why it is so important to temper our emotions with our reason – so that we can see the outcome and consequences before we take actions.

<>

He’s also very old, and I believe he’s directed mostly be subordinates at this point.

<< its just that he is doing his best to follow the teachings of jesus. >>

I’m not saying he’s bad. I’m saying he’s naïve to how what he says may be manipulated, especially in the dirty field of International Politics.

<< the guy nearly got shot to death, had 6 hours of surgery, and a few days later he was up and at it at the hospital and asking his followers to, "Pray for the brother who shot me, whom I have sincerely forgiven." i dont think it gets much more "christian" that that. >>

See, this is another example of stereotyping and manipulating rather than morally reasoning when it comes to Catholic teachings. Yes, Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. Jesus taught us not to hold grudges or seek vengeance for wrongs done to our person. That – DOES NOT – mean that we are to sit idly by and allow – others – to be murdered, abused, and mistreated when we have the means to prevent such atrocities. That's a big difference in the Catholic Church's teachings on use of force and say, some of the Jehovah's witnesses I've met (who would have me believe they would just stand there and do nothing to stop me if I decided to remove a passer-by's eyeball with a spoon just for kicks). Forgive misdeeds, but do not condone or abet them.

The Church’s silence during the Holocaust is a complete and utter disgrace that many people remember and worry over. Yet, as I look at it, the Church still hasn’t learned the applicable lesson there, a lesson that they taught me so many years ago when I was young:

“A sin of omission can be just as damning, or even more so, than a sin of action.”

<< of course they are "idealistic" - but surely you cant fault the head of the church for striving towards that! >>

I think DPH addressed this issue pretty well in his response. In some circumstances, you can’t safely bridge the gap between the ideal and the practical. In such circumstances, you have to watch out for causing more harm by pounding that square ideal peg into that round realistic hole.

<< sure, there are things i dont like the catholic church for.. you mention the pedophile scandals and such. im with you there, but its kinda odd that you feel shamed by your church for supporting the teachings of its own inspiration. >>

You see, the problem is that the Church’s stance on many of these brutal dictatorships like Iraq is that it closely resembles their mishandling of the Sexual Abuse Scandal. What was the Church’s crime in the Pedophilia Scandal? They saw evidence of abuse and mistreatment, and instead of preventing it from happening again, they forgave, absolved, prayed, and let the abuse happen OVER and OVER and OVER again. Forgiveness is wonderful, but you can’t pay for it in the suffering of victim after victim. What is worse, in both cases, the Church takes this public “out of sight, out of speech” approach out of fear of retribution.

And – that – is my biggest complaint with my own religion’s dealings with international politics.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:09:03 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Stick a fork in me I’m done.

Finished doing an update on my site. Mostly in my fanfic area, added a timeline a few other things and tweaked on some of the other pages.
and I uploaded another story.

Why the frell was it so cold yesterday? This is Florida…It is Spring…It’s not supposed to be cold.

I think Madonna has gone to far. In her latest video she throws a grenade into the lap of a Bush look alike??? That video is almost like some of the snuff fics written by “He who must not be named”

I respect Freedom of Speech . I also respect the fact if you dislike the president and you dislike the war, but that was in bad taste.

Congrats Madonna you made it to my $h!t list along with Babs, Alec Baldwin and Mike Moore.

Time for Replies:
Patrick<<>>Amen!

Dezi: <<<It was also on the Animaniacs. The one with Noah on the arc with the hippopotumases (Ok I _don't_ know how to spell that and I don't care.) Except it was "The Spideys">>>That was good too, but I was thinking of the Anansi episode.

Bud-Claire<<<Depends on your jello molds. Hell, you could even get jello (roughly) the right color, if you put a little effort into it.>>>Hmmm peach jello<<<Are you on drugs?>>> Patrick on drugs? Right now I’d say no, but seeing his past gathering costumes…maybe then.

Talewaver<<<What's up with all the French bashing.>>>It’s fun and they deserve it.

Gside<<<Did you mean "but even if it was what you thought it was"?>>>Yes, to bad nobody else noticed my Yoda.<<<Indy first>>>He said snakes, Gargs used spiders.<<<Get in the way of emergency services, including ambulances (or any doctors), fire department, and police, and you're risking the lives of other (presumably innocent) people>>>Ah the LA speed bumps.My point was that it's not a nice thing anywhere, but extrapolating from that, it probably also makes for drivers with similar mentalities>>>Bingo! I think to solve the rioting hippy problem that LA has they should relocate Mr. Anson over there. He’d plough right through them.

Greg X <<Definetly Gathering news later>>> GLOMP!<<<Kick that moron Bush out of Washington and tar and feather him on the way! >>>Don’t tar and feather him…just grease and spoon him.<<<And put Rudy Giulianni in the Oval Office!>>>Boy do I want to vote for him.

Firestorm<<<Why not? It's fun! You can look at the spreadsheet, say "Hmm... I haven't done anything to him lately...">>>I use notes for other stuff

Leo>>>Good joke, but The Baron had already posted it. I told to my family except I replaced worm with snake since worms are spineless. They also are dirty, slimy and smell funny.

Gabriel<<>>He’s a dead cat. No human decency what so ever.

Green Baron<<>>As a fellow human being I am sorry to see that she died, but as an American she gets no sympathy from me.<<<He coudl ahve France surrender by showing hsi warface>>>I can see Rumsefled growling at an overcast sky, causing the clouds to drift away

Niahmgold>>>I like the update and the art is beautiful

Revel<<<"What is the state bird of Iraq? Duck." >>>Heh my dad liked that joke.<<<He has a reputation for driving vehicles like Elisa did her car in "Hunter's Moon" >>>Or Matt in “Revelations”?<<<We're weird and proud of it. >>>:::Smooch:::

Josh<<>>You got lucky<<<The clubbing was interesting (I'd never been clubbing before). >>>I went clubbing in Mexico before.<<<the democratic party called my house. >>>Why?<<<"Democrats?! There are no democrats in THIS house!" and promptly hung up the phone>>>Smart kid.<<<Barely>>> When was the last time you had poached eggs?<<<A friend at Apple finally lit a fire under someone's ass>>>LOL I’m going to use that saying.<<<Isn't Easter supposed to commemorate Jesus' resurrection?>>>Yeah but to get the pagans to convert people had to make changes…like that Jesus was more likely born during the late summer than in December.

Attila<<>>LOL

Christine<<<Took last night off so I could spend all of today at the doc's getting this bone scan. And they cancelled on me.>>>That was rude. They could at least called you in advance. They expect us to call them in advance.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 12:52:18 PM
IP: 64.156.99.210

Thanks, all, for the birthday wishes. They've helped add some brightness to an otherwise sucky week.

Took last night off so I could spend all of today at the doc's getting this bone scan. And they cancelled on me. 10 hours of sick time wasted. Lovely.
Christine
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 12:21:07 PM
IP: 208.187.159.240

Got the Emrys pic right this time.

PATRICK TOMAN - [Also, I just heard that war in Iraq is over, and new episodes of "Gargoyles" will be starting in May.]

Well, the war in Iraq isn't over yet, obviously, but while no new episodes of "Gargoyles" are due from Disney in May, we do plan on releasing new episodes of TGS (for "Pendragon") starting at the end of June (to go with the Gathering).

As for the date of Easter - that is a good question over why its date varies from year to year. I suspect that it could be something left over from the days when people used a lunar calendar rather than a solar one, but I really ought to look it up.

Actually, figuring out which day was Easter was a tough one for a good long while; different branches of Christianity used different methods, which led to a fair amount of confusion. It's said that on one occasion, at an English king's court during the Dark Ages, half the court was celebrating Easter while the other half was still in Lent. Now that's confusing.

JOSH - Thanks for answering Bishansky's question.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 07:23:29 AM
IP: 67.28.88.152

Bud-Clare > Yes, I have seen the light now. I've opened the doors and set my oppressed pets free, and I will enter rehab post-haste.

Also, I just heard that war in Iraq is over, and new episodes of "Gargoyles" will be starting in May.

April Fools, by the way. "Don't be so gullible, McFly!" :P

Josh > "Isn't Easter supposed to commemorate Jesus' resurrection?" - Yep. Which makes it even weirder that it jumps around the calendar. If we commemorate his birth every year on the same day, logic would seem to say we should do the same for his death and resurrection. But then again, this is religion... so logic would be out of place.

"And on Easter, kids eat chocolate eggs because the color of the chocolate and the color of the wood on the cross... well, then you tell me! It's got nothing to do with it, does it?" - Eddie Izzard
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 07:13:42 AM
IP: 68.73.165.19

Now for some humor courtesy fo Scrapple Face:

Arnett, Rivera First in Wave of Suicide Broadcasters
(2003-03-31) -- Iraq's vice president, Taha Yassin Ramadan, said 'suicide broadcasters' Peter Arnett and Geraldo Rivera are part of a "coordinated effort to thwart invaders who can't be defeated by conventional warfare." He also raised the specter of more suicide broadcasters on U.S. or British soil.

Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein's regime presented Mr. Arnett and Mr. Rivera 'postfamous' medals and large financial contributions.

Calling the tactic a "routine military policy," Mr. Ramadan threatened more such attacks on Americans and Britons -- even on their own soil.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer dismissed the Iraqi threats saying that American news networks "have been slowly self-destructing for years. It will not distract us from our mission in Iraq."

Iraqi Soldiers Crowd Streets Chanting 'Arnett Akbar'
(2003-03-31) -- Iraqi soldiers demonstrated their gratitude to former MSNBC reporter Peter Arnett by gathering in the streets of Baghdad and chanting 'Arnett Akbar' (Arnett is Great!), and "There is no God but Saddam, and Arnett is his prophet."

Yesterday, Mr. Arnett granted an interview with Saddam Hussein's personal TV network during which he said coalition war plans have failed, and that his reports were designed to strengthen the anti-war war movement in Britain and the U.S..

"Our reports about civilian casualties here, about the resistance of the Iraqi forces, are going back to the United States," he said. "It helps those who oppose the war when you challenge the policy to develop their arguments."

Mr. Arnett, who will soon become an Iraqi citizen, is already revered by Ba'ath Party officials for his propaganda support of Saddam Hussein during the 1991 Gulf War.

Mr. Hussein has ordered construction of a new mosque in Baghdad to honor Mr. Arnett, whom he called "my most effective information ministry official".

Guess who has a blog: http://saddamhussein.blogspot.com/

Yep, and http://www.livejournal.com/users/kim_jong_il__

There is some really weird stuff on-line :)
ghost of Reverend Attila
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 06:05:05 AM
IP: 136.216.75.2

I officially rule. After spending some time today and yesterday turning down the other engineering schools that accepted me (there's nothing quite like the feeling of saying "You can't have me, so neener neener neener"), I set up my last Apple interview for Friday, had a phone interview with Bechtel, and even got an A- on my stupid humanities midterm. Good thing I passed, or I might have to bludgeon a humanities student to death in the streets.

The bechtel interview went well. If they take me on, I'll be joining their Las Vegas office working on planning for the Yucca Mountain Repository. To give you an idea of how lax this job would be, Bechtel has been in the midst of site INVESTIGATION since the project was announced last foreverago (which means they haven't done ANYTHING other than an exploratory tunnel and some models). During the next 3-4 YEARS, the DOE will review their investigation before giving Bechtel a license to start construction. What a nightmare. Well, that would certainly remove any time pressure I'd feel ;-)

A friend at Apple finally lit a fire under someone's ass and they emailed me to schedule my last interview, so I'm excited about that. They started having me fill out the official employment forms, so its starting to look better and better.

Lady Mystic: <<CR room options>>: I like version 5 better, since the colors show up better against the black background.

Fire Storm: <<Not evil enough. THAT... and... well... ok, no one>>: I volunteer. I like burgers.
<>: Tell LM. That's her department.
<<Forgive me father, for I have sinned. I have had thoughts about other systems>>: These thoughts are only natural. You must remember that windows is the tool of Satan, and that only through Aqua will you find your salvation 8-)
<<At work and some home, I just use Word>>: Kind of silly to buy a mac for that.
<<How about Japan, just for fun?>>: They might fight back. We can't handle that.
<<Stop caring how much we are in debt>>: Then we'd be no better than the women.
<<Emphasis, not acronym>>: Ah. Many don't know the difference, so I thought I'd clarify.
<<that would make too much sense! I mean, capture then immediately kill.>>: Why bother capturing?
<>: You look more like an army of two ;-)
<>: I'm just not a convincing stoner. Snoogins.
<<We vote them into prisons with a few bars of soap>>: Which might not be used for cleaning...
<<As Taleweaver said>>: Eh, forget you both.
<<Lot's of sharing, I see>>: One bed got shared ONCE.

Kaioto: <<the horrors of Communism>>: Just FYI, communism by itself is not horrible.
<<I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bath>>: BATH WATER!!! Not bath. People don't throw out their baths.

Christine: <<Just another instance of the Church taking over a pagan holiday>>: Isn't Easter supposed to commemorate Jesus' resurrection?

Taleweaver: <<Standing in line should be one of the simplest acts confronting the human mind. When others move forward, you move forward>>: And yet it boggles so many. Depressing, isn't it?
<<We're expecting>>: Congrats!

Attila: <>: And instead she got you?! That sounds like a rip-off.
<<given the choice between Michael Moore or Hillary Clinton being hit by a mine or a dolphin getting hurt, I'd be more upset about the dolphin being hurt>>: Amen.
<<Sadaam is all out of frickin laser beams>>: Isn't everyone?
<<Is it Greek?>>; Not by a long shot. Its the international society of electrical engineers.
<<How'd you accomplish that?>>: I only work in the summer and so I'm technically below the poverty line 8-)
<<talk about using San Francisco's homeless population for medical reasearch so we won't have to test on animals>>: That would make the whole area much cleaner.
<<inspect your dorm for weapons of mass destruction>>: Only my roommate's chili will qualify.
<<your commenst to Godiva and Bud-Clare could cost you women voters>>: Possibly. But I won't lose sleep over it.
<<Someone told me Colin Powell is Jewish>>: That sounds like a urban myth.
<<Kurt Cobain had blue eyes>>: That was weak.
<<That's why you have condoms>>: Condoms don't protect against everything.
<<Have I ever mentioned how much I hate Lyndon Johsnon>>: Every day.
<<who is upset that he isn't getting any international attention right now>>: Me?

Lain: <<is there some other son of GOD that im not aware of? you know, the one who was into killing people??>>: HAHAHAHA

Lila: <>: Not quite that warm here today, but it was nice. I miss Los Angeles already.
<<Clubbing IS dirty>>: The clubs don't bother me, its the chicks 8-)
<<Who'd ya sleep with to score that?>>: No one. I just rule.

Greg X: <<What in the series do you think needs to have more closure?>>: I think Timedancer is in the most need of closure, just because so many threads have been opened that are only to be resolved at the end of the voyage.
<<What still needs resolution from any and all of the four spinoffs?>>: Stuff in Gargoyles, mostly. The vampires, for one.

Bud Clare; <<Hypocrisy's a b*tch>>: Indeed.
<>: When that happened to me, I cancelled the class.
<<you'd have to open your eyes in the morning>>: No, I can find my way to the bathroom in the dark. The problem is hanging out there until she leaves.
<<Dirty paw prints, all over my counter>>: easily solved.

DPH: <<Check your email for a very detailed answer>>: You know that you probably don't need to post something to tell someone to check their email, right?
<>: I pity you all.
<<Have I lost my mind?>>: More than likely. But what bearing does that have on your pizza?

163. When planning an expedition, I will choose a route for my forces that does not go through thick, leafy terrain conveniently located near the rebel camp.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 02:37:32 AM
IP: 64.160.47.45

Oh yea, one more thing: Your shoes are untied.

April Fools!!!
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:18:58 AM
IP: 204.94.193.71

*giggles like a schoolgirl*

this is so funny! :D

its my last post for the night, honest!!!
lain
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:08:38 AM
IP: 65.93.72.58

Lady Mystic - Check your email for a very detailed answer.

Christine - Happy belated birthday.

Taleweaver - <Credibility and reputation keep the higher profile journalists on a straighter and narrower path. Credibility is the currency more valuable than money> Yea, the key is "straigher and narrower". That's why I'm almost certainly believe anything printed in both a liberal and conservative newspaper, but question anything coming anything of either a liberal newspaper or a conservative newspaper.

Kaito - <The Catholic Church is supposed to be a moral leader in the world, and it is supposed to lead by
example.> Yes, that is the role of religion: pass along morals. <But the Church is also woefully naive when it comes to modern poilitics and warfare.> I believe churches should stay out of politics except when it comes to moral issues. I was upset that the war on Iraq was addressed from the pulpit of my church. Aside from praying for minimal casulties on both sides of the war, I believe the issue of war shouldn't be addressed in the church. Religion is about idealism. This war is about . . more practical matters.

**Report on my kittens**
If I haven't mentioned by now where the cat gave birth, I will. The mother gave birth in my garage. (no, it has to be cleaned out before the car will fit in there) She's been in there since she gave birth. I opened the garage door up to let some fresh air in and left it open for a while. Guess what happenned. That's right, she left the garage when I got ready to shut the garage door. Still, I shut the garage door and removed the other cats (I guess they're no longer kittens) that were in there and waited for the mother to show up. Not too long afterwards, she showed up and I let her back in.

I'm pretty sure that there are 2 sets of twins: 2 black and gray cats and 2 grayish gray with white spots.
**END Report**

Today I came back from spring break. I know of students who had a test today, right after Spring break. I have a test on Wednesday, Friday, and a week from today.

I got to write to turn in student evaluation of that bad teacher. (I made a comment on the evaluation about how the 100 point grading scale tends to lend itself towards subjective grades.) Let me clarify things: the 5 point quiz was NOT given by the same teacher who uses a 100 point grading scale. The 5 point quiz came from my bus stats teacher and the 100 point grading scale comes from my music appreciation teacher. I got a 85% on my concert review and I may visit my dad's wife (using step-mom doesn't quite seem right) to go over it with me.

I had an culinary (spelling?) vision and I am going to pursue making the inspired dish. The idea started as using shredded potatoes as a pizza crust. I'm not sure if my current thinking on it still makes it a pizza. Shredded Spuds on the bottom. On top of that is shredded cheese mixed with eggs to produce the sauce [using a pizza sauce with tomato sauce didn't seem right]. On top of that is a couple of cans of corned beef hash. Then some pepperoni. Have I lost my mind?

Bud-Clare - <You honestly think there's no difference between a guide dog for a blind person and sending an animal into a war zone?> As I understand it, walking down some streets in the US is the same thing as walking into a war zone.

Patrick - Neither do I.

Taleweaver - <It's a slippery slope thinking animals are expendable to certain people are expendable.> It depends on the function. If we want to use the animals on the defensive end of things (checking for landmines and ensuring areas are safe to dock boats), that's ok. But using animals as a platform to launch weapons from while the human is far away or using the animal to plant explosives is different.

Gabriel - <However, the Pope, I think, cannot really condemn Totalitarianism, or any government, mainly because of Romans 13, which says to be subordinate to the governing Authorities since they recieve their authority from God> There are also clear examples listed in the bible of disobeying the government. I think the point in the bible is obeying the government when it comes to the government's basic functions: establishing an environment to live where you can practice your faith freely and maintaining a degree of "civility" from its citizens. (A Christian dictatorship is impossible) <which says to be subordinate to the governing Authorities since they recieve their authority from God> My bible has a commentary that lists Genesis 9:5 as the origin of human government, Romans 13:1-4 as describing the function, 1 Peter 2:13 as describing our responsibility to the government. It lists the functions of government as the following: 1)protection - create a form of restraint and rule to protect citizens from themselves (ie. keeping murder in check); 2)punishment - impose punishment upon criminals; and 3)promotion - promote the general welfare of the community where its laws are in effect. Side note: There are also people who misquote the bible to justify wife-beating by saying wives are to be submissive to their husbands.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 01:03:21 AM
IP: 204.94.193.71

gabe>> aaaaarrrrrrr!! those damn romans! *snatches out book and has a schnorff*
lain
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 12:52:10 AM
IP: 65.93.72.58

Patrick> <<Don't wear fur... don't eat meat... don't go to Sea World?>>
Are you on drugs?

<<This is why these debates always drive me batty.>>
No, they drive you batty because it's a short trip.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 12:33:59 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Lain> I don't think Kai was particularly critisizing the Chruch for not taking *his* stances. I think it was moreso for not condemning atrocities that were committed by Stalinist Russia, etc., not because of the Pope living by the Gospel.

However, the Pope, I think, cannot really condemn Totalitarianism, or any government, mainly because of Romans 13, which says to be subordinate to the governing Authorities since they recieve their authority from God (<----paraphrasing, go actually read it to get an accurate quote). So, the Pope is in a trap IF he interprets it at face value (please pay attention to the *IF*). He cannot critisize Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany or any Totalitarian regime since they are doing the will of God, right? Further, he can't really come out against Bush or Sadaam since both have been put in place by God and are doing God's will.

See the problem? Shall God command States (such as Nazi Germany) to do something otherwise than His teachings? I don't think so. Hence the demonized state (I'm not particularly sure if the Church recognizes such a concept): a state the has strayed form the will of God and been added to the power and dominion of Satan.

If he doesn't read this passage by itself and takes the rest of Romans into consideration....well, it gets an entirely differant meaning.

Truth be told, I don't know how the Pope, or the Church, reads into that passage. I haven't been satisfied with the Church's wavering history on the forms of governments it supported and didn't support (which leads me to believe the Church often changes it's reading), and a number of key issues to me, hence why I left it.

Then agian, I could have totally misread you and made myself look like an idiot ;P.
Gabriel
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 12:28:48 AM
IP: 65.68.76.145

And no, I don't see a difference between a seeing eye or a search and rescue dog and a trained dolphin. They're all animals that serve a specific function by using their natural abilities to do things that it would take loads of specialize equipment for a human to do. I'm sure there's search and rescue dogs in the war zone, too. Btween the various sides, there's probably quite a few camels and horses, as well. The dolphins just get more press because they're not the typical thing people associate with desert combat.
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, April 1, 2003 12:12:28 AM
IP: 68.73.165.19

Then we're all even, then... 'cause I'm not sure what you're trying to argue, either. That animals have more intrinsic value than humans? That humans should never use animals to serve in ways that benefit the humans? Don't wear fur... don't eat meat... don't go to Sea World?

This is why these debates always drive me batty.
Patrick Toman
Monday, March 31, 2003 11:51:49 PM
IP: 68.73.165.19

Patrick: I'm not sure what you're trying to argue...
Lila
Monday, March 31, 2003 11:32:17 PM
IP: 134.173.121.83

Patrick> Well, that's all very nice... Except that it has _nothing_ to do with the actual conversation that we've been having. You honestly think there's no difference between a guide dog for a blind person and sending an animal into a war zone? And how is eating meat related to any of this? If it's not too much trouble, could you at least _try_ to actually pay attention to the conversation in which you are attempting to participate? That generally makes the whole conversation thing go a lot more smoothly.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 31, 2003 11:18:05 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

As long as I'm a member of a species that sits atop the food chain, I will eat meat and I won't feel any bit guilty about it. According to some current theories, being omnivorous is what helped those upright walking primates get the protein they needed to evolve those big brains that helped them move up from being quick and easy sabre-tooth kitty treats to being the top hunter. So I suppose it could even be said that if it weren't for the fact that our prehistoric ancestors killed other animals and ate them, we wouldn't be here with brains big enough to argue about whether it's wrong to kill other animals and eat them.

As for trained animals and pets... it's easy to make self-righteous, blanket declarations when something doesn't impact you directly. So I would challenge you to take your point up with any blind or handicapped person who has an assistance animal... or anyone who's ever been rescued from an avalanche or a collapsed building thanks to the keen nose of a four-legged K-9 officer... or a farmer whose livelihood depends on his livestock... or anyone who owns a cat or a dog and loves it like a member of the family. I think you might get exposed to a little bit of a different perspective.
Patrick Toman
Monday, March 31, 2003 10:46:12 PM
IP: 68.73.165.19

Lila> The Riverbeds of America. Certainly not something you see every day. That's why I took a couple of pictures of it. It wasn't as disconcerting as the wildlife wrapped in cellophane. The moose head was wrapped tight. I can just imagine the kids questioning looks on the train. "Mom, is that deer dead?"

Dolphins in the service> I'd keep my eye on it. It's a slippery slope thinking animals are expendable to certain people are expendable. I remember this was also the rational for testing syphillus on human subjects. True it's distance from going from one to the other, but it is something to keep an eye on.
Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Monday, March 31, 2003 09:17:00 PM
IP: 24.205.176.65

Dezi> <<Dude, between assaulting me and stepping on Attilla, you're violent.>>
Only when provoked. :P
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Gside> <<War has always been a good economic booster.>>
Tell that to the people on medicaid, and everyone else who's currently getting screwed. I'm sure they'll find it very comforting.
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Thomas> <>
I'm not upset, just vaguely irked. (And even that was days ago.)

<<This CR has had flame wars occur over less than this, and I don't want that happening here.>>
You're getting a little paranoid...

<<Those are the dangerous ones. Principles can lead to fanaticism. I used to be a Catholic zealot, so I oughtta know.>>
That doesn't mean that principles should be abandoned altogether. It just means that people have to be careful not to become fanatics. Abandoning your principles just to be on the safe side is a cope out, and probably impossible besides.

<>
But in favor of what? Instead of a fanatic, what will you be? A person who laughs at the death of a misguided college student? Is this really an improvement? Obviously, if you want to laugh at her, that's your own business, but... I'm disturbed that you seem to think that laughing at someone's death is the logical result of _not_ being a fanatic anymore. Valueing life does not make one a fanatic, and it looks like you might be throwing out the good with the bad.
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Patrick> <<From cavalry horses to pack mules to search and rescue dogs, animals have been part of military history for thousands of years. So get over it.>>
...that's a nice attitude. How about this? No matter how many millenia this sort of thing goes on, there will _always_ be people who don't approve... so get used to it.
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Josh> <<Adams suggests that it is required to accept this "fact" to evolve to the next level of awareness (where he calls religious people less "aware" than skeptics)>>
*L* Hypocrisy's a b*tch. Also, funny. ;)

<<"I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die.">>
*L* That's okay... I never asked to be trusted. :P

<<To the victor go the spoils. That's how war has always been.>>
But they didn't win. That's the point.

<<Most professors will give you the benefit of the doubt if you really shine on a final or paper, but frankly if you really understand the material then you'll do fine on the earlier exams too.>>
I did badly for the first half of Calc I just because it was so early in the morning that I couldn't cope. Once I got used to being up so early, I got all A's. So, there. :P

<<Yes. Because I wouldn't respect MYSELF in the morning.>>
Plus, you'd have to open your eyes in the morning...

<<Adult cats are just as cute, but in their own way.>>
They're evil. Dirty paw prints, all over my counter. Bastards.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 31, 2003 09:13:56 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

BISHANSKY - Well, if you want to be over-particular about it, it's properly "three spin-offs", since "Gargoyles" doesn't itself count as a spin-off, but rather as the original that "Dark Ages", "Pendragon", and "Timedancer" were spun off from.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, March 31, 2003 08:18:11 PM
IP: 63.208.61.195

Hey, don't knock birds. Well you can knock most of them. Though I wouldn't mind having *this* bird...

http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/cuttysark/1869/29679f30.jpg
http://www.devermore.net/surbrook/adaptionsanime/bebop/cboy07.jpg

Nothing demonic about this bird.

And now for a little bit of what's on topic

In an attempt to bring a discussion to the TGS CR that is TGS related, we are doing a poll of unfinished plot threads. What in the series do you think needs to have more closure? What still needs resolution from any and all of the four spinoffs?

More later.

"There are three things I particularly hate. Kids, animals, and women with attitudes. So tell me something Jet, WHY DO WE HAVE ALL THREE NEATLY GATHERED ON OUR SHIP?!"
-Spike Spiegel "Cowboy Bebop"
Greg Bishansky
Monday, March 31, 2003 08:12:41 PM
IP: 216.179.1.78

I love this weather. Eighty nine degrees of perfection. Too bad I had to spend all day writing papers and at the gym.

Replies:
Jan-<<Did you actually say that you don't care if innocent lives are killed, but don't "abuse" or use the animals as a human replacement?>> You seem to have the general idea. Since when are humans innocent, though? Animals don't start wars. They shouldn't have to be involved in our little spats. <<Excuse me but I would much rather have a dolphin killed than to have my son killed doing the same job that the dolphin could have been doing.>> Excused. We have differing opinions there, though. I respect yours, but I disagree.
<<except birds and that's because they are demonic>> NOW we agree! Geese in particular... <<But get a grip on yourself and think about what you have said.>> I was perfectly aware of the connotations of my comment.
<<Would you rather your parent or sibling be sent in on a bomb search or have a bomb sniffing dog go in?>> It's sad, really it is. I just find it terribly injust, and while I'd prefer that my loved ones stay safe, I wouldn't volunteer animals to die in their places, I don't agree that the value of a human life is more important. The idea of humans being designated as some divine overlord species seems shortsighted to me.

Dezi- << There are some animals that I would rather have around than stupid people any day. And we do have an abundance of stupid people. Since there are 6 billion of us and alot of "them" are endangered, largely because our meddling, we should keep them out of our wars>> MAJOR HUG to you for GETTING it!

Patrick- <<animals have been part of military history for thousands of years. So get over it.>> ;-) A history makes things justified? ::shudders at the notion::

Christine- HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!

Josh- Mexico, huh? Good times. Clubbing IS dirty, worldwide. (I'm not a big fan.) <> Who'd ya sleep with to score that? <<Granted, its dangerous, but why is it different from training your dog to sit?>> Factor IS danger. Sitting, apart from possible joint failure ain't so strenuous. Participating in war activities, though... imminent DOOM.
<<Just remember that she's a liberal and not as smart as you or I>> Eh, it varies. Uberliberals pontificating sound a damn lot like conservatives, but it's less of a linear thing from Liberal to Conservative, and more of a loop, I'd say. <<I'd like to see some documentation of that. If its true, then that's great and goes a long way toward establishing the existence of other intelligent species>> AN intelligent species. The information's out there, it's worth checking out. Maybe I'll find a link for you...

Taleweaver- HOW WIERD is that drained river? It upset me to see trucks driving where water was supposed to be. And the cheerleading insanity... I'm so sorry. Been there for that nonsense.

Ghost of Atilla- Glad we agree to disagree... I have never enjoyed hearing a differing opinion more than when you state them with a purr. ;-)

And now, lapswimming, and dinner on the town w/the buddies since it's still hot and sunny outside! YAY!
Lila - [liejones@yahoo.com]
LA, CA
Monday, March 31, 2003 07:30:29 PM
IP: 134.173.121.83

<<My Church continues to turn a blind eye to the horrors of Communism and Facism throughout the world, and that deeply shames me>> uuuuh.. didnt the pope spend a good chunk of his life under two of the most brutal dictatorships the world has ever seen? didnt he spend a good chunk of his early.. uh.. pope-dom giving the smackdown to (atheist) communist poland? o.O of course he has a strong stance against fascism and communism :P

but what do you honestly expect him (or the church as a whole) to do? he, as the head of a CHRISTIAN church can make no statement more "christian" than "lay down your arms". do you expect him (or the church) to go around supporting military aggression? is there some other son of GOD that im not aware of? you know, the one who was into killing people??

i wouldnt exactly say hes naive. hes gone on 38 official visits and had 650 audiences and meetings held with Heads of State. he is the dude. its just that he is doing his best to follow the teachings of jesus. the guy nearly got shot to death, had 6 hours of surgery, and a few days later he was up and at it at the hospital and asking his followers to, "Pray for the brother who shot me, whom I have sincerely forgiven." i dont think it gets much more "christian" that that. of course they are "idealistic" - but surely you cant fault the head of the church for striving towards that!

sure, there are things i dont like the catholic church for.. you mention the pedophile scandals and such. im with you there, but its kinda odd that you feel shamed by your church for supporting the teachings of its own inspiration.
lain
Monday, March 31, 2003 02:08:54 PM
IP: 65.93.77.68

::Reverend Attila and Buck Katt show up dressed as Chippendale Dancers and go over to Christine to give her a special dance and strip show::

Happy Birthday Christine. I figured you'd like some male strippers for your birthday :) Of course, it's just a couple of evil kitties :)

Lila> I'm still going to have to disagree with you. I can understand an appreciation for dolphins as they failry intelligent and their braisn are more developed than George Clooney's before they are even born.

If I wasn't so averse to getting wet, I'd love to give a dolphin a hug, and I make certain my tuna is caught dolphin free, though I usually prefer eating Jehova's Witnesses :)

I recall the dolphins are well taken care of and they are doing good humanitarian duty. You may not like that fact, but as a dolphin fan, you may enjoy the fact that this will make them extremely popular. After all, these dolphins are real life Flippers and after the work is done, they'll be back entertatining their fans, but this will generate a widespread popularity boom among dolphins. You probably will still object to it, but I still love you :) ::purr::

Jannie> <<Excuse me but I would much rather have a dolphin killed than to have my son killed doing the same job that the dolphin could have been doing. >> Well, your son wont be in the NAVY, so he wouldn't be at that leevl of risk, but I don't hear much about dolphins being killed, which is even better. I do admit that given the choice between Michael Moore or Hillary Clinton being hit by a mine or a dolphin getting hurt, I'd be more upset about the dolphin being hurt :)

<> I'd see one a truffle hunting pig as more the candidate to sniff out mines, though I don't think they'd be as endangered as they have natural abilities to make them more effective and there wouldn't be endagnered. Besides, if we had human run through a minefield to detonate mines, they'd eventaully wise up and using humans as mine fodder is kinda frowned upon.

<<except birds and that's because they are demonic>> I love birds. They taste great.

Dezi> Well, I don't want to even the odds as far as the current conflict, but I know that's not what you meant. BTW, some looney tunes professor at Columbia wished we'd face a million Mogadishus in this current conflict. I imagine you'd personally have evil Dezi rip him a new one for wishing that. One studenst at Columbia has a dad who's a Colonel in Kuwait and he dared the jackass Professor to say that in front of his dad.

Patrick Toman> <<No one is strapping laser beams to sharks' heads and sending them into combat>> That's because Sadaam is all out of frickin laser beams, though according to Hans Blix he didn't have those scuds he shot at us either.

Silvadel> That would make sense. Dolphins are not likely to do harmful things, except for occasional sexual aggresveness towards soem femal volunteers at Sea World.

Revel> <<Several people got up and left after that, I was too busy drawing to care.>. People are too sensitive. I found it mildly amusing, though not at the Bob Dole lovel of humor.

Dezi> I have another interesting book about the media. Right in the Old Gazoo by Alan Simpson. He also pointed out Peter Arnette's bias in the Gulf War, so I'd let anything he says now go in one ear and out the other.

Greg> I do hope Guiliani makes Condoleeza Rice his running mate. Her experience as Provost at Stanford would help her deal with the US and help him out, plus she has strong ties with California and she's a Southerner. Condi's single (which can be an issue), but I'll help her take care of that ;)

Gside> <<Would IEEE count as a professional frat, or just an organization?>> No idea. Is it Greek?

Imzadi> <<I've already resigned to vote Democrat in the next election because of the horrible things the current administration is doing.>>

Lieberman, Edwards, and even Dean are tolerable, but I couldn't bring myself or GB to vote for Sharpton, Billary (unless Bush did something really really evil), or Kerry (if Dukakis flopped against the father, could his Lt. Governor deal with the son?).

<<but if he's really the conduit to god, as the catholic faith claims him to be, then they should be.>> Too simple a definition. When Papal infallibility was established officially in the First Vatican Council, it's explanation was set aside for the next Council. In Vatican II, it's explanation was again postponed.

<<I've got you topped. I won't be paying any income tax for 2002 or 2003.>> How'd you accomplish that?

<<They find you guilty of almost starting a flame war. The punishment is that you have to stay here and continue doing so, because bannings are ineffective. Or so they told me to tell you.>> I figured that would be the verdict. Now I have to really do something bad, like talk about using San Francisco's homeless population for medical reasearch so we won't have to test on animals.

<<I'm going to invade your house.>> The UN is sending Hans Blix to inspect your dorm for weapons of mass destruction, now....wait, that's not a real problem for you. Jerry Lewis would do a better job than him.

<<Because Europeans have HORRIBLE taste in music.>> A pity, since Europe gave us Mozart, Bach, Wagner, Vivaldi, Verdi, and Beethoven. Germnay's National Anthem was composed by Haydn, and I bet that Tribun takes a certain feeling of pride over that. I think that's pretty cool myself.

<> Myabe your commenst to Godiva and Bud-Clare could cost you women voters.

<<That's because the major of republicans are social conservative but not rich, like hillbillies and such.>> They are the newest part of the Republican party, but the neo-cons are generally not socially conservative. The GOP does have a certain grassroots advantage over the Democrats.

<> I just thought they were using opium.

<<At disneyland? I thought it looked a fair bit like N.O. But I thought Disney's was a bit cleaner.>> I just want to see myself. I've never been to Disneyland, so I can't really make a decision. I bet it is cleaner than the actual New Orleans, though that is a pretty easy feat :)

<<This country will elect a black president before it elects a woman president. But the jew president will be last of all 8-)>> Someone told me Colin Powell is Jewish.

<<We just need to borrow a few marines for a few hours...>> Good thing about San Diego then :)

<<Neither was I, and I'm really annoyed that I missed Cobain jokes.>> It was only one joke. Kurt Cobain had blue eyes..one blew that way and the other blew that way. Interchangable with Davdi Koresh. Also, there was a whole thing in the old RPs making fun of the Heaven's Gate Cult.

<<Didn't you post that joke a week ago?>> I did right before Lent.

<<Adult cats are just as cute, but in their own way.>> How very true, especially megalomaniacal ones who snort lines of catnip and disco :)

<<Yes, and how is that different from before, where it was IMPOSSIBLE for the media to be sympathetic to the military because they had no idea what it was really like?>. It balances out Peter Arnette who was embedded with Sadaam in Gulf War I :)

<<Some of those were awful, but most were hilarious.>> That's Fark for you :) I'm gald your dad liked the Michael Moore petition. Moore is such an easy target :)

<<but I don't think I'd ever want to pick up someone there. They're dirty.>> That's why you have condoms. Of coruse, never pick up a woman who does weird stuff with a donkey...oh wait, that's in Juarez.

<<ghost of Reverend Attila: Man, you MUST be trying to piss people off!
Keep it up!
(I really like the one with Clinton!)>> That was one I liked, along with the hippie bashing. Speaking of cuddly sea mammals, I remember a tale about the first seagull to be cleaned off from the Exxon oil spill. The bird flys away and lands in the Ocean, to be eaten by a killer whale :) That has to be an America's Funniest Videos moment :)

<<Easy! Stop caring how much we are in debt! Have war for war's sake!>> The real issue is how much the debt comapres to our GDP. At least, there isn't some stupid War on Poverty Porgram going on. Lyndon Johnson wrecked us with that. Have I ever mentioned how much I hate Lyndon Johsnon :)

<<Hmm... How about Japan, just for fun?>> Nah!! I might take it over so I can get my own special discounts and free geisha, and we have to help them with a certain power mad pygmy, who is upset that he isn't getting any international attention right now.

<<Yeah... they'd get hurt. But not as much as that guy that chucked a grenade into a tent.>>

I think that act can qualify as treason. I bet he had other issues. One of GB's NCOs is Muslim and would like to kick that guy's ass for making his faith look and for being a nucklehead.

Kaioto> <<Hamburgers on my plate? Perfect.>> That reminded me of the dolphin with the sign saying, "PETA sucks!"

That's all from me. Bye. Meow!!

ghost of Reverend Attila
Monday, March 31, 2003 01:47:14 PM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Hello one and all,

Easter> Oops, Christine and Kaioto beat me to it.

Kaioto> You asked last week who/what keeps the journalists honest. There's no magic lariat to force the truth out of journalists, but their are laws. Specifically, slander and libel keep journalist from making known erroneous statements. Credibility and reputation keep the higher profile journalists on a straighter and narrower path. Credibility is the currency more valuable than money. Also don't discount competition. Last quarter we followed a story about Sandy Koufax and Newscorp. A NY newspaper gossip columnist stated erroneous that Koufax was gay. The other newspapers were on it like glutin on rice. In a competitive market everyone is looking for an edge and they'll take bringing down the competition if it serves. Nothing 100% though. With such extensive corporate control, homogenization of the news is even more of a reality.

You have a right to be suspicious. Question everything is a good attitude. I advocate active questioning. Check and double check facts, problem is most people aren't interested in that much work. They select the media that agrees with their point of view as credible and those that don't as the biased ones.

Disneyland> Went to D-land over the weekend. As luck (good/bad, you decide) would have it there was a cheerleading competition in Anaheim and most of the teams flooded the part. For me it was poor luck, because nothing is quiet as anothing as a gaggle of girls so caught up in talking that they don't move forward in the line. Standing in line should be one of the simplest acts confronting the human mind. When others move forward, you move forward.

My wife was more focused on the children. We're expecting so know she sees every child as her surrogate charge.

Though the highlight of the trip was an unexpected treat. They're opening a new ride in Critter Country, based on Winnie the Pooh. Jenn is a big Pooh fan and they were giving visitors a special preview. It was fun. The ride is like those in downtown Fantasyland. As an old vetern of Disneyland, we cut through that park like a hot knife through butter. Got in at 8 and by 10:30 rode all the mountains and by noon finished Fantasyland. The other cool thing was that the drained the Rivers of America for maintenance. The Riverbeds of America isn't as deep as I imagined it. It was funny seeing the ducks take up residence everyone else in the park. These huge waddlers stomping through Storybookland. One mallard was on one foot on the Jungle Cruise hoping to pose as a flamingo and blend in. Most opted to hang out in the submarine lagoon in Tomorrowland. Overall, it was a fun.

Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Monday, March 31, 2003 01:35:14 PM
IP: 24.205.176.65

Re: Easter

Yeah, if you're going to have to pick an arbitrary day to put your holiday on due to converting from one calender to another centuries after you've lost track of a specific date in a foreign land, you might as well pick days that are already easy for your people to get a handle on. It mitigates the confusion and culture shock.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 31, 2003 12:47:37 PM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Mecord > Easter is always on the first Sunday after the first full moon of spring. Since spring starts on March 21, Easter can range anytime from late March to late April. Just another instance of the Church taking over a pagan holiday ;)
Christine
Monday, March 31, 2003 12:28:49 PM
IP: 208.187.159.242

**delurks**

I have a question that's been bugging me for some time.

How is the date for Easter Sunday chosen?

Does anyone know? I've always thought it was the first sunday of April. well as I look back through my callenders, last year it was the 30th of March. and in 2001 it was the 15th of April. Why the discrepancy? this year it's on the 20th. So just who picks the date? How is it determined? I wasn't aware events like this could jump around the callender so much. I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention in the past. But now it bugs me that I don't even know how or who. so if anyone happens to know I would be gratefull for futher enlightenment.
Mecord
Monday, March 31, 2003 12:10:40 PM
IP: 12.255.15.121

Re Dolphins:

Since I have few qualms about eating animals, I have even less reservations about using them in place of human beings in order to save lives. Dolphins helping remove water mines? Cool. Go dolphins and dolphin trainers! Canary in a coal mine? Excellent. Hamburgers on my plate? Perfect.

I have a healthy respect for animals and hate to see needless cruelty against them. I don't buy real fur because I find it unnecessary and expensive. Heck, I don't even eat veal and prefer free-range food when I don't have to go too far out of my way to get it. The fact that animal lives can be given to preserve and assist humans just gives me more respect for them.

But that doesn't change their status, in my eyes, from the "resources" category to "people" category.

Re the Pope:

He's chosen advisors, who have chosen minions, or have chosen suboridinates, and so on. The make most of the regional decisions and policy. They choose what information the Pope gets on such issues. They are his eyes and ears, and frankly I don't trust them as far as I can throw them when it comes to the theater of international politics.

That's not what they exist for. The Catholic Church is supposed to be a moral leader in the world, and it is supposed to lead by example. It finally has a good stance of dehumanization, humanitarian missions, and respect for human life and dignity. But the Church is also woefully naive when it comes to modern poilitics and warfare. The Church has never taken as a firm stance as I would respect against Totalitarianism. My Church continues to turn a blind eye to the horrors of Communism and Facism throughout the world, and that deeply shames me.

The Holy See will beg for peace from all sides, but only the Coallition forces will even consider heeding such a message. What is worse about that scenario, however, is that if the Coallition pulls a UN-1991 special, Saddam is going to do what he did the last time, and sweep through his own country murdering and destroying anyone who voiced dissent while the "infedels" had some of the Iraqi population out from under his heel. That's not the optimistic picture the Catholic Church has in mind when they say "Peace" but it - is - the realistic picture that history presents to us.

The Church's failure on this part to see through to the consequences of its policies on a global scale is something that I am extremely disappointed in. I'm also disappointed in the bureaucracy's handling of the pedophilia scandals out here in New England and abroad. Nevertheless, I still find my faith quite acceptable and rewarding, even if I do stand in dissent over numerous pieces of dogma and policy. I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bath.

Kaioto - [kaioto@yahoo.com]
Monday, March 31, 2003 11:45:01 AM
IP: 208.204.155.241

Gside: <Damage the wall, I take it?>
No, it was on the door. Most of the paint comes off in sheets, but small chunks stay on. And the primer/stain is ugly
<Right. But who's taking care of the burgers/dogs/fries?>
Not evil enough. THAT... and... well... ok, no one.
<As a general rule, I avoid fungi, partially because they are decomposing agents.>
But that just makes food that much easier to digest!
<Not on the source side>
They should!
<Then where are you getting your wild material?>
I am not. I am wild material deprived
<Anesthesia and a sharp bit, so you don't have to hold as tight.>
Hmm... But the limpness isn't as fun!
<Infidel.>
Forgive me father, for I have sinned. I have had thoughts about other systems...

Yeah... there's the kicker. At work and some home, I just use Word. At home, I use LM's computer for videos
<But you have to admit, they pepper the hope with a good number of booms>
VERY true...
Tell me if this makes you sick:
Scorpius and Sckuza? **shudder**

Green Baron: 
Hmm... How about Japan, just for fun?

Yeah... they'd get hurt. But not as much as that guy that chucked a grenade into a tent.

Bud-Clare: <so how the hell could we pay for another two or three, or Puck knows how many?>
Easy! Stop caring how much we are in debt! Have war for war's sake!

ghost of Reverend Attila: Man, you MUST be trying to piss people off!
Keep it up!
(I really like the one with Clinton!)

Silvadel: <(and actually when they were testing the offensive use of dolphins they usually lost the cooperativeness of the whole pod if said dolphin could get in touch with the others).>
Do you have an article link?

Revel: <Heh, fun to watch him whine>
Definately!

Greg Bishansky: <And put Rudy Giulianni in the Oval Office!>
He's republican, right? Change Cheney for Gulianni! Bush would pretty much be guaranteed to win! (If only for snipers sake)

Imzadi: <Why?>
(possibly) nice wooden doors, new ones cost too much
<...do it anyway!>
Possibly.
<Its not an acronym. Mac.>
Emphasis, not acronym
<Or I could just shoot him immediately and not busy my hands>
Yeah, but that would make too much sense! I mean, capture then immediately kill.
<And it only takes one>
I am an Army of one
<Why?>
For some reason, I can see you dressing up like Jay
<Can we vote the hippies off the country?>
No. We vote them into prisons with a few bars of soap
<<>: STARGATE!!!>
As Taleweaver said...
<and enough sleeping surfaces for everyone (with 8 guys and 2 girls, that was no small order).>
Lot's of sharing, I see!
Fire Storm
Monday, March 31, 2003 11:12:39 AM
IP: 66.72.176.246

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Gside: <<If nothing else, you can look at the last modified date of each story (ctrl-i on Mozilla).>>
I pretty much did the same thing by looking up the dates on the server using an FTP-type program. Every story from the first season of each series seems to have been modified at the same time: October 06, 1998 for Gargoyles season 1; February 23-24, 1999 for season 1 of Pendragon and Dark Ages; and a combination of both dates for TimeDancer season 1.
<<Was it ever posted to a Usenet group with an archive?>>
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Lady Mystic - [<-- CR INFO !!]
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Monday, March 31, 2003 04:47:10 AM
IP: 66.72.176.246

Viola! I have returned. Three days in another country (world?) and I was able to return without getting arrested. YAY! The first day consisted of the drive down and getting set up. I had just sent money to the guy organizing the trip, so I was please to find that we'd gotten a beautiful house on the beach in Rosarito with a pool table, TV, and enough sleeping surfaces for everyone (with 8 guys and 2 girls, that was no small order).

The rest of the vacation consisted of reading, sleeping, clubbing, and eating. I read Scott Adams' "God's Debris", which was interesting, but not really as profound as its made out to be. Adams is misinformed on many of the scientific concepts he presents, making it clear that he was using "straw man" arguments based on inferior "lay" understanding of these complex ideas. But the book presents religion and the paradoxes of both religion and science in an interesting way, and actually comes to the same conclusion I did in the CR a few weeks ago: that god may be far from the sort of anthropomorphized deity that Judeo-Christian philosophy believes him to be but rather may exist solely as probability and atomic particles. Interesting idea, but its just that: an idea. Adams suggests that it is required to accept this "fact" to evolve to the next level of awareness (where he calls religious people less "aware" than skeptics), which I found very intellectually offensive. SO DON"T FLAME ME.

I also read "The Science of Harry Potter", which was a very cool book that takes many of the details in the Potter-verse and explains their historical and scientific context, from the genetic engineering necessary to create three-headed dogs to the physics of broomstick flight to the origins of belief in the supernatural itself. One thing that really impressed me about this book was the author's ability to remain very unbiased and uncritical of beliefs (scientific or religious), though he does make many jokes about both. The book is a very objective historical presentation and examines MANY different theories and cultures. Good read.

My friends spent most of the time reading the Potter stories. My roommate finished the first 3 and my floormate finished book 3 and is halfway through 4. The clubbing was interesting (I'd never been clubbing before). There were a lot of very drunk and very attractive women, but I don't think I'd ever want to pick up someone there. They're dirty.

Interesting story: the democratic party called my house. My brother picked up the phone. They asked to speak to the democrat of the house. My brothers reply (and keep in mind, he's 15): "Democrats?! There are no democrats in THIS house!" and promptly hung up the phone. I thought it was the funniest thing I'd heard in days.

This is the end of my spring break, and it was truly wonderful.

Now, to replies!

DPH: <<Would the student grades be better or worse?>>: They'd be bell-curved, duh.
<<Even if it was around, who would remember it?>>: Or care.
<<Are you protected from Montezuma's revenge?>>: Nope, and I didn't get sick either!
<>: YAY!
<<what do we do if the leadership of a country actively creates an atmosphere where the people of that country want to wage on us?>>: You mean like the USA?
<<Another theory of mine>>: These theories are dumb and only reflect your inventiveness for excuses that you aren't getting the high marks you think you deserve.
<>: There is NO difference. Either you're good or you're not.

Gside: <<even my communications professor doesn't know where they got the name "super heterodyne">>: He should suggest a new name, one that makes sense.
<<so a point always has the same value. Besides, curves are your friend>>: Only when you go to a real college, which DPH doesn't appear to.
<<Don't drink the water>>: Even used bottled water to brush my teeth.
<>: Good for you.
<<Women and those under the control of women?>>: Exactly. Insane. That's what I said.
<>: Queen for a day?
<>: Or don't care at all?
<<With tech support, you've got to hold a square of plastic with your shoulder and ear>>: True, but you can't do much when you're far from the computer anyway, so tech support there makes the most sense.
<<Then enjoy your monthly bleeding>>: "I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die." - Mr. Garrison.
<<It's perfectly fine in an unfurnished steel house>>: It can even be furnished if the walls are steel curtains 8-)
<<It provided de facto standardization of software>>: Only by manipulating and conquering the entire software industry unethically.
<<my father's school gets a day off everytime a graduate makes Phi Beta Kappa (and Tau Beta Pi is the engineering equivalent)>>: Sweet!
<<Women tend to care less about such things>>: True, but crimes against men quickly get in the way of women.
<<Problems, if fewer, would probably require an equal amount of research to understand>>: Not really, because they wouldn't require an equal amount of knowledge. At some point it gets to errors in programming, and that happens faster on the mac since few things really "conflict" the same way you see them do so on Windows. And since Godiva's husband is likely not a programmer, his pursuit of knowledge ends there.
<<Gave up on my communications homework for tomorrow. Only worth about 1% each assignment>>: Congrats. You've learned the philosophy of "minimum effort for maximum gain".
<<They're not his plans>>: I'll never post my plans, that'd be silly. What if someone else used them before I implemented them!?
<<I'm sure if you bring it to the right person, it can be replaced>>: ...with something that fell off of a truck ;-)
<>: And easily guarded against, too!
<<the interviewer was telling me not to worry>>: Best of luck.
<<But who's taking care of the burgers/dogs/fries?>>: That'd be me.
<<Infidel>>: Or perhaps an advanced being.
<>: I have DivX and assorted codecs.
<<No one is safe>>: We're fine, since he can't cross the ocean and get here in a car.
<<what do I win?>>: The reply.
<<War has always been a good economic booster>>: One of the Rules of Acquisition (TM).
<<Would IEEE count as a professional frat, or just an organization?>>: Just an organization. It doesn't take much to join IEEE, and they don't have test files.

Attila: <<worthy petition>>: My father laughed.
<<it was a big misatke for the US to give them a say in the aftermath of either WWI or WWII>>: Not a big mistake. Just useless.
<<One nation kicks another nation's sorry ass three times in 70 years, and yet that sorry third-rate nation gets a hand in governing post-WWII Germany>>: To the victor go the spoils. That's how war has always been.
<<I'll jsut leave some good quotes>>: Very amusing.
<<comic>>: Very funny!
<<dolphins>>: Some of those were awful, but most were hilarious.

Silvadel: <>: Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me on how specifically that can be tested?
<<It shouldnt be such that a bad grade on one or two of the early tests should make it impossible to get a good grade in the course>>: It rarely is. Most professors will give you the benefit of the doubt if you really shine on a final or paper, but frankly if you really understand the material then you'll do fine on the earlier exams too.

The Question: <<French contracting article>>: That was very interesting. It also raises lots of conspiracy theories. Is the bush administration going to make sure that the deep-water port will NEED rebuilding? Is he going to make sure that the french "targets" aren't hit hard enough to need rebuilding?
<<Articles>>: You know, you don't need to post the text of the article. You can just post a link and a few key quotes or a summary.

Spacebabie: <>: Maybe they meant to.
<<having two fried or poached eggs side by side remble breasts more than Jell-o>>: Barely.
<<Only in this town a man can drug and rape a teenager, flee the country and is rewarded with an Oscar, but when a man wants to build a church he is considered nuts>>: So true. So messed up.

Taleweaver: <<Buffy however show no signs of growth>>: She's done growing.
<>: STARGATE!!!
<<What's up with all the French bashing. You know France wasn't the only country to oppose US in the UN>>: True, but they are easy and fun to mock.

Dezi: <<Cause I said so and that should be more than enough reason for you>>: HAHAHAHA
<<Perhaps if he wasn't 2-dimensional>>: You used this twice, and I have no idea which one which instance is referring to 8-)
<<since you're in Mexico for a week, I'm just gonna wallow in all of my glorious bias>>: Eventually, I see all.
<<isn't judging a bunch of movies like any other kind of art?>>: Yes, but some things are objectively better than other things. The same way that Van Gogh's Starry Night is better than some stick figure watercolor you did in kindergarten.
<<You would let opportunity pass you by when all you would have to do is shut off the lights?>>: Yes. Because I wouldn't respect MYSELF in the morning.
<<you are systematically posting your plans for taking over and ruling the world>>: Actually no. I'm just posting what I'll do once I'm there.
<<Maybe you can answer this one then>>: Please enlighten me as to how knowing a keyboard shortcut in Mozilla is connected to knowing why your monitor is broken.
<<if the CRT is going out, do I need to junk it? Or is that replaceable?>>: If the CRT is bad, its not cost-efficient to fix it since new 17" CRT's are $150.
<<Or is that the problem at all?>>: In all likelihood, he has NO idea. Being an engineer is not the same as being tech support, something that humanities majors seem to frequently forget.
<<We kinda came to the conclusion that the embedded journalists, while a semi-good idea, couldn't help but be slanted toward to the military, as they were surgically attached to their belt buckles>>: Yes, and how is that different from before, where it was IMPOSSIBLE for the media to be sympathetic to the military because they had no idea what it was really like?
<<Went to Dave and Busters for the first time>>: BATTLETECH! RED PLANET! THAT GAME WITH THE SNOWMOBILES! My roommate is always the monkey ;-) We love that place.
<<BFE (Iowa or something>>: Wouldn't BFE, by definition, be in Egypt?
<<of course that makes the real money for such outlets, especially newspapers. Because, you know, advertisement brings in no money whatsoever>>: Geez you're dense. If no one buys the papers or watches the shows, then no advertising dollars come in. DER!
<<They have set up their own codes of ethics to live by>>: There is no evidence of that.

Bud Clare: <<Michael Moore made an appearance at the University of Rochester tonight>>: Condolences to those students.
<<I'm going to have nightmares, now>>: Painful ones, probably.
<<How do you know it really exists, then?>>: Because I've been to it 8-) Just because it isn't clearly marked from the outside doesn't mean it isn't there. It just means its well-hidden.
<<Can you go five minutes without insulting someone?>>: Sure. 8 hours while I'm asleep every day ;-)
<<For instance, knees don't scare me at all>>: Very funny. But we can wear a cup. Of course, knees don't scare most men either. Its women that scare us ;-)
<<you could even get jello (roughly) the right color, if you put a little effort into it>>: Mmmm...breasts....
<<It's fun>>: And educational, thanks to Attila's listing of french failings through history!

Kaioto: <>: I think the sad truth is that this holds true for MANY occupations.

Godiva: <<He is so analytical. Guess that’s why he’s going for Systems Analyst.>>: Um...sure. What systems is he analyzing?
<<By having just one person eat>>: But everyone still needs to eat the same number of meals. Very simple logic, here.
<<isn’t there something there that’s supposed to have a “secret” entrance through PotC?>>: No.
<>: Doesn't make it any more true.
<<his pathetic little insults don’t bother me>>: Good, then you won't mind if I keep going.
<<why don’t they stay that way?>>: Adult cats are just as cute, but in their own way.

Jaden: <<You still here? Still have internet access with everything that's going on?>>: It's just a war.

Fire Storm: <<I'll try to take off some of the 12+ layers of paint!>>: Why?
<<If not...>>: ...do it anyway!
<<I'd use a MAC if it was here>>: Its not an acronym. Mac.
<>: Then you're probably fine buying a $200 PC.
<<Only a C-5? Dang... I thought it was big enough for a Star Destroyer>>: Once it gets past large enough to throw a baseball through, it really doesn't matter.
<<More importantly, you have excuses!>>: Yup.
<<There can be only one>>: LOL
<<aren't half the boobs in your area fake anyway?>>: Yes.
<<It will confuse him long enough for you to easily kill him>>: Or I could just shoot him immediately and not busy my hands.
<<killing 99.99% of all sperm can still mean a lot of sperm still active>>: And it only takes one.
<<NO! I do NOT want fries with that!>>: But they're the best part.
<<Where do you think I am? France?>>: Detroit smells almost as foul.
<>: Why?
<>: Can we vote the hippies off the country?

Anonymous: <<Anyone know hudsons e-mail?>>: Nope.

Warpmind: <<First time behind the wheel>>: Aren't you old?
<<I'll get a car and mount a machinegun on the hood>>: Bad place for it, as it will obstruct your vision. I'd recommend side-mounted or roof-mounted.
<<Give me *one* good reason NOT to?>>: They might fire you and then you wouldn't have the same access.
<<Enter David Xanatos>>: Just on the odds that they have seen it, why don't you change the name?

Leo: <<French snake>>: Didn't you post that joke a week ago?

Gabriel: <<That's just plain sick to make fun of someone who died like that>>: Oh please. They're idiots and they deserved it. Quite frankly, if you expect to stop a bulldozer as a form of protest then you'd better be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. Lots of hippies don't think about that.
<<Human life is nothing when it comes to bussiness>>: Sadly, that seems to be consistent with this country's behavior.
<< Enemy combatant? What the f!ck did she do to be your enemy?!>>: Amen.
<< Damn, dude. I wasn't here for that>>: Neither was I, and I'm really annoyed that I missed Cobain jokes.

Green Baron: <<though I cannot defend your state from Gray Davis>>: We just need to borrow a few marines for a few hours...
<<She might even run for President>>: This country will elect a black president before it elects a woman president. But the jew president will be last of all 8-)
<<That's a high price for satire>>: Ah, how I love freedom of libel.
<<New Orleans square? I'll have to check that out and judge if it is worthy of that name>>: At disneyland? I thought it looked a fair bit like N.O. But I thought Disney's was a bit cleaner.
<>: I was thinking the person in charge had his 3-year-old daughter draw them :-)
<<is Waxman worse?>>: I don't know. I haven't heard Waxman's name come up in any anti-technology bills.
<<the fact that Democrats get most of their donations from the big contributors, while the bulk of Republican contributions comes from the regular donors with $25.00 donations>>: That's because the major of republicans are social conservative but not rich, like hillbillies and such. They feel its their duty to donate a little bit even if that's all they can do. The poor democrats feel they can't afford to donate anything (and don't, because they joined that party solely for themselves), so the ones who donate to the Democrats are the rich fat actors.
<>: I can just see myself trying to run for office and having an article appear in the National Inquirer that states that I once called someone a schmuck in an internet comment board.
<<he'd slam down on the gas and hope the speedbumps didn't damage his car>>: He can borrow my Boomer, then he won't have to worry about it.
<<Lesbians against Bush>>: They prefer shaved.
<<They can get some brooms and keep the floors clean>>: They can't keep their country or themselves clean, why would they be able to help someone else do that?
<<it is France's destiny to surrender to a German every generation>>: In that case, maybe I should make a trip over there. It'd be a good start for my world domination scheme.
<<my sister's gerbils got all nervous whenever Richard Gere was mentioned>>: LOL!
<<I'll never understand why Europeans liek country music>>: Because Europeans have HORRIBLE taste in music.
<>: I've already resigned to vote Democrat in the next election because of the horrible things the current administration is doing.
<<it could be surrender>>: I'm going to invade your house.
<<I'll do that and you can put me up before the CR Admins for trial and judgment>>: They find you guilty of almost starting a flame war. The punishment is that you have to stay here and continue doing so, because bannings are ineffective. Or so they told me to tell you.
<<his opinions are not infallible>>: but if he's really the conduit to god, as the catholic faith claims him to be, then they should be.
<<Due to my IRA contribution, all of my FITW is being refunded. Same will happen for 2003,a s I won't be paying any income tax until August>>: I've got you topped. I won't be paying any income tax for 2002 or 2003.

Niamhgold: <<Check it out, if you so dare>>: Hey look, there I am!

Lila: <<when it comes to abusing (yes, that's what I'd call it) animals>>: Why is it abuse? Granted, its dangerous, but why is it different from training your dog to sit?

Happy birthday christine!

Jan: <<are you for real?? *blinks and rubs eyes* Did you actually say that you don't care if innocent lives are killed, but don't "abuse" or use the animals as a human replacement?>>: Just remember that she's a liberal and not as smart as you or I ;-)

Patrick: <<Dolphins>>: Excellent point.

Silvadel: <<dolphins>>: I'd like to see some documentation of that. If its true, then that's great and goes a long way toward establishing the existence of other intelligent species.

Revel: <<What is the state bird of Iraq? Duck>>: LOL!

Okay, need to sleep before my one class tomorrow. Until tomorrow.

162. If I steal something very important to the hero, I will not put it on public display.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, March 31, 2003 02:30:58 AM
IP: 64.160.47.45

Green Baron> <>: Would IEEE count as a professional frat, or just an organization?
<<your in an Honors Fraternity>>: Unfortunately, just one at the moment. About a third of the way to the next, if luck is with me.

Happy Birthday Christine, and may health come to you.

Revel> <<a lousy Icanonlyusepowerpoint teacher>>: I've had many powerpoint using teachers, but many of them were not afraid to go to the board for details/questions.
<<You would not want to get in the way of an ambulance or fire truck in Houston>>: My point was that it's not a nice thing anywhere, but extrapolating from that, it probably also makes for drivers with similar mentalities.

And now for 11 minutes of pipe organ. Bach's Fantasia and Fugue in G Minor. Not to be confused with Toccata and Fugue in D Minor.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, March 31, 2003 01:27:02 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Jan> <<except birds and that's because they are demonic. >>

LOL!! That's brilliant! ;p
Gabriel
Monday, March 31, 2003 12:40:18 AM
IP: 65.68.76.145

It's been a while since I've made a political comment. But here I go...

Kick that moron Bush out of Washington and tar and feather him on the way!

And put Rudy Giulianni in the Oval Office! Greatest mayor my city has ever had, and would in turn be one of the best presidents this country has ever had.

BTW, if USA re-runs "Rudy", I urge everyone to watch it. James Woods is great in the role. Though I couldn't help but picture Hades every now and then.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, March 31, 2003 12:19:48 AM
IP: 216.179.2.72

Oi, what a week. So come off a wonderful break and have to hit the ground running with a mid term on Wednesday and then I find out I have a pinting due this tuesday and I thought we had two weeks, but lucky for me he moved it to Thursday so I will actually be able to turn in soemthing that is above crap. I've come to the conclusion that my print making teacher does not like a damn thing I do, because he thinks they are all too comic or "anime" like. Okay, comic yeah, can't deny it, anime, um, I am going to have to assume he does not know what that word means because ther is not much anime style to what I do.
And my government teacher has a really sick sense of humor and is a lousy Icanonlyusepowerpoint teacher t'boot.

Happy Birthday Christine!

Patrick- <<animals have been part of military history for thousands of years. So get over it.>> So true. And let us not forget the Romans who slaughtered bulls and pigs just because it was good luck.

Green Barron- And the bad joke of the week goes to my Gov teacher for including at the beginning of her lecture "What is the state bird of Iraq? Duck." Several people got up and left after that, I was too busy drawing to care.

Gside-<<Get in the way of emergency services, including ambulances (or any doctors), fire department, and police, and you're risking the lives of other (presumably innocent) people>> You would not want to get in the way of an ambulance or fire truck in Houston, my dad could be driving and if that's the case you won't have a driveable car. He has a reputation for driving vehicles like Elisa did her car in "Hunter's Moon"

Fire Storm- Yeah my brother was quite upset about them dropping Farscape, he has for a few months now been doing all the petitions and going to the save Farscape sites. I don't feel for him because he always made fun of me hanging out at a site that is dedicated to a cancled tv show. Heh, fun to watch him whine.

Greg X- Thanks for the Cowboy Bebop locations.

Spacebabie- <<Oscars didn’t watch it: I remember that last year I made 3 vows>> While I did not go as far to vow these things I have done all of them myself. :)
<<but having two fried or poached eggs side by side remble breasts more than Jell-o>> This I'll have to admit to everyone was my fault, we had poached eggs one morning and we both started playing with ours. We're weird and proud of it.

"When life hands you and orange, make Screwdrivers!"
-From this elf bowling site my roomie was at. Though it does strangely sound like something Pest would say-

Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
denton, tx
Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:43:08 PM
IP: 129.120.245.98

Spacebabie > thanks! It started out to be a pretty dismal one (having to work, car getting sideswiped, etc.) but it's looking up.

Eeee! Just got an acceptance letter e-mail! For an erotica antho! ::fans self::

Okay ... forget what I said ... this is turning into a GREAT birthday!
Christine
Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:06:06 PM
IP: 208.186.188.252

On Dolphins:

Actually the military use of dolphins is limited to things like "save this person" "find and tag mines" and other benign harmless or helpful activities. The reason for this is a dolphin will refuse to participate in offensive stuff -- in fact if the dolphin doesnt know what it is doing will be bad and then sees the explosion or whatever -- that is one dolphin who is no longer cooperative (and actually when they were testing the offensive use of dolphins they usually lost the cooperativeness of the whole pod if said dolphin could get in touch with the others)...

Dolphins are quite intellegent and have also proven to have a moral code. This has significantly marginalized their effective use by the armed forces.

silvadel
Sunday, March 30, 2003 09:51:58 PM
IP: 208.58.107.167

No one is strapping laser beams to sharks' heads and sending them into combat. If a trained dolphin can carry a camera, why not take advantage of the fact that it can swim ten times faster than even the best Navy diver and needs no SCUBA gear to do it? From cavalry horses to pack mules to search and rescue dogs, animals have been part of military history for thousands of years. So get over it.
Patrick Toman
Sunday, March 30, 2003 09:24:44 PM
IP: 68.73.165.19

There are some animals that I would rather have around than stupid people any day. And we do have an abundance of stupid people. Since there are 6 billion of us and alot of "them" are endangered, largely because our meddling, we should keep them out of our wars, especially our stupid ones. Maybe it'll even the odds a little.

*Ducks from the expected onslaught.*

Dezi
Sunday, March 30, 2003 09:09:36 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Lila> are you for real?? *blinks and rubs eyes* Did you actually say that you don't care if innocent lives are killed, but don't "abuse" or use the animals as a human replacement?
Excuse me but I would much rather have a dolphin killed than to have my son killed doing the same job that the dolphin could have been doing.
I'm a huge advocate for animals and love them to pieces - except birds and that's because they are demonic. But get a grip on yourself and think about what you have said.
Would you rather your parent or sibling be sent in on a bomb search or have a bomb sniffing dog go in? I love the doggies, but I'll gladly send them into a dangerous situation before sending a human being.

*drifts back into lurkerland*
Jan
Sunday, March 30, 2003 06:05:45 PM
IP: 12.215.181.120

Uh people instead of getting pissed over a comic strip, and dolphins being used in the war I think we should spread some cheer.

It's Christine Morgan's birthday. Drop her an e-mail.
Spacebabie
Sunday, March 30, 2003 05:03:31 PM
IP: 67.28.69.223

Ghost of Rev. A. - That. Is. Awful. I didn't get pissed about the whole war until I heard dolphins were being used... hmm. Didn't care about the death of innocent people, but when it comes to abusing (yes, that's what I'd call it) animals, that just sucks. Some of the photos are funny, though. (I do have a sense of humor, I SWEAR!)
::jumps of high horse and leaves::
Lila
LA
Sunday, March 30, 2003 04:29:39 PM
IP: 134.173.121.83

Darwin laughs.
OMG! how many of these pics are there!
Dezi
Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:35:21 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Speaking of dolphins, click on my name for osme fun farking on the whole dolphin issue. Fark.com is where it's at.
ghost of Reverend Attila - [<--clickie clickie to see Flipper fight terrorism :)]
Sunday, March 30, 2003 06:39:20 AM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Gabriel, Lain, and Bud-Clare> I apologize for upsetting the three of you with posting that cartoon. I do not retract the posting, but I am sorry to have upset you three. This CR has had flame wars occur over less than this, and I don't want that happening here. I love you three a lot and I don't want to lose friends over this, or see another flame war occur. I have my beliefs and you have yours. Let's agree to disagree and keep the love going.

I wave the white flag of truce, though I am about 40% French, so it could be surrender, too :)

Bud-Clare> <<Let's try to keep some perspective, shall we?>> I'll do that and you can put me up before the CR Admins for trial and judgment.

<<doing what they believed was right?>>
Those are the dangerous ones. Principles can lead to fanaticism. I used to be a Catholic zealot, so I oughtta know.

<<We can't really afford _this_ war, so how the hell could we pay for another two or three, or Puck knows how many?>> I'd rather deal with Syria at a later date, when it is more affordable, but Syria is one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism, especially Hezbollah and Hamas. As for the money, the tax cuts may be sacrificed for a while, and I admit that really sucks.

I understand your concerns, though. I'll see what happens. Maybe Syria will quit supplying Sadaam.

Gabriel> <<Oh, I imagine she told you; or are you just inferring? >>

I'll get some links,a nd you can judge teh information for yourself.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030327/ap_wo_en_po/me_gen_israel_peace_campaigners_1

http://www.israelnn.com/article.php3?id=2117

If you feel this is invalid, you are free to. If you wish to bring up before the High Court of the CR, feel free to.

<<Well, if you keep telling yourself that, it will never happen.>>
I iwsh I had influence over it. I wish there were more folks in both camps who thought like you did. The twin demons of pride and passion are the bigegst obstacle to peace there. Arafat's condolence to Israel over the loss of Col. Ramon was a step in the positive direction. The fact that his Choice for a PM is a Holocaust Denier does not help. Arab and Jewish Israelis taking a join trip to Auschwitz is a good sign. They both need to walk in each other's shoes.

Sharon also demolished a settlement home in the West Bank

My comment was that the situation is not as ideal as it is here.

<<Is this Catholic??>> I have been a Catholic zealot for too long. I am scaling back a lot of teh fanatical furor I used to posess. I was worng and deserve nothing less than liquidation for it.

<< but when someone critisizes or jokes about child-molesting preists, it's the biggest crime in the world?>> Because I was an overzealous hyper-sensitive little shit. I was wearing blinders. Granted I would neevr consider Protestantism, but I need to see my faith for what it is. A flawed human faith that has and continues to make countless wrongs, worst fo all the two thousand years of anti-semitism.

I still follow the basics of my faith, but I'm reevaluating a lot of the blind faith I used to have. I am still going to Mass on Sunday though, so I am not scrapping my faith.

Niamhgold> Quite nice. I need to work on my website.

Dezi> <<Man it looks like you piled up some crap to step in. :)>> I just hope it isn't going to fuel any fires. I'd rather be banned than have another flame war erupt.

<<Harsh choice of words. I'm seeing old Kent State stuff from the History channel before my eyes right now.>> That was unfortunate, but an ROTC building was set ablaze and attempts to put out the fire were sabotaged. It's also a bad idea to throw rocks at the National Guard and when they throw out cs gas, running is a better idea than throwing it back at them. Sadly the four killed were probably not guilty of destroying an ROTC building or attacking the soldiers, but I won't hold it against the National Guard, either. Those sorts of things really make me disgusted about my parents' generation, and it's one reason I now support euthanasia, along with the nixing of my zealotry.

<< had to drive the last part of the way because my boyfriend's sense of pride was trying to get us killed,>> Pride is never good.

DPH> <> The Pope is a good and saintly man, but his opinions are not infallible. His oppisition to war is due to a very consistent love of live on all ends and in all forms, similar to how Gabriel values life.

I can understand his opposition to war and respect his position a lot more than Pat Buchanan's or George Clooney's, but I do not agree with him on this. It is my first major dissent from the Vatican, but it will not be my last. I simply feel differnetly than the Holy Father. I still back the Pope on a lot of doctrinal stuff, from the trinity to Mary to the stuff that is the real meat and bones of my religion. Besides, the Catholic Church has a lot of history of being wrong and it has never really embraced capitalism, either.

Lila> I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you. The dolphins have a certain naturla ability to detect these mines and I don't hear anything about them being hurt. As far as I am cocnerned these dolphins are as heroic and lovable as drug sniffing dogs. I find those pot bellied pigs cute, but if they can sniff out land mines throughout the world, I'd endorse it.

<<No democrat would have endorsed that sh*t.>> That's debatable. Maybe Al Gore or Barbara Streissand wouldn't, but I could see Jane Harman or Tom Lantos backing it.

Jaden> So am I. Sometimes teh boredom can get to you, but boredom is good for a combat zone. I have some other goodenws. Due to my IRA contribution, all of my FITW is being refunded. Same will happen for 2003,a s I won't be paying any income tax until August. ::does the greedy dance of joy::

Gside> <<You did have a head start on me, though>> Well, I was a Freshman, though. Your Fraternity is more prestigious, since I am in a Professional Fraternity and your in an Honors Fraternity.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Sunday, March 30, 2003 05:51:25 AM
IP: 136.216.75.2

Must code the rest of my RIP server tomorrow. I'm starting my tutoring in the evening, then exams monday and thursday. But maybe I can sleep through software engineering, as it's only other groups presenting.

Green Baron> <<I've been a Delta Sigma Pi since 1996>>: You did have a head start on me, though.

Bud Clare> <<We can't really afford _this_ war>>: War has always been a good economic booster.

Gabriel> <<Human life is nothing when it comes to bussiness>>: Depends on the business. Get in the way of emergency services, including ambulances (or any doctors), fire department, and police, and you're risking the lives of other (presumably innocent) people. Get in the way of military business, and you're risking the lives of the people you're delaying and/or the people they should be helping.

Niamhgold> <<Check it out, if you so dare>>: I did, but then broke your transfer limit. And you can't get a good scan off the Gemini and Scorpio prints?

Dezi> <<Went to Dave and Busters for the first time>>: But not Gino's East?

DPH> <<This is the only teacher I've had who has used a 100 point grading range>>: But you said the quiz was on a 10 point range.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, March 30, 2003 02:45:17 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Well I'm back in Washington and it really is about 20 degrees colder.

Green Baron- Glad to here that all's "mostly" quiet.

Dezi- Work at Starbucks? I don't think I could stand that coffee smell long enough to finish my first day. I'd start screaming, "OUT OF COFFEE!!! ONLY HOT CHOCOLATE AND FRUIT DRINKS!"

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, March 30, 2003 02:26:37 AM
IP: 172.135.13.184

Hello all... busy times, I can't write much... on my way out to another party... but wanted to make my presence known. Hope all is well, hate the war more then ever having heard about dolphins used as underwater mine-detectors... evil, truly evil. No democrat would have endorsed that sh*t. Anyways... will write more. Later. Another day.
-LJ
Lila
Los Angeles, CA
Sunday, March 30, 2003 02:02:26 AM
IP: 134.173.121.83

:-( Spring Break is over already.

Lain - you know I just thought of some typos of your name that are really bad.

*PEACE RELATED**
So all war is bad, right? We can not abolish war unless we want to live under a one-world dictatorship with no civil rights. War is a necessary evil that can never be abolished
until you are willing to surrender your rights. So what do we do if the leadership of a country actively creates an atmosphere where the people of that country want to wage on us?
**END PEACE RELATED**

Green Baron - I don't remember if you said this, but being a Catholic, what's your opinion on the pope taking a stand on the war in Iraq? <She regarded the suicide bombers as heroes> That's a gray area, but in general that lady is stupid. <s. If I was closer and had my own place, I'd take a few from you> Thank you. <France can have a role in post-war Iraq. They can get some brooms and keep the floors clean.> Why not let them have the job of garbage collectors? They are already smell.

Ok, 2 of those new-born kittens are black and gray. Trying to determine the complete coloring of the other 2 will be tricky because I have to catch the mother away from her kittens.

**GRADES**
Another theory of mine is with the advent of technology, using a designated computer lab is a test taking center is efficient use of class time since the lecture can still take place on the same day as a test. (Being able to take the test anywhere under any conditions is the same thing as inviting perfect scores.)
**END GRADES**

Gside - <And besides, people who use non 100 grading ranges (like my father) tend to go for a (sum of points earned)/(max points possible) grading scheme, so a point always has the same value.> This is the only teacher I've had who has used a 100 point grading range. The rest of the teachers use the formula sum of points earned / max points possible = grade. I do NOT like the idea of a 100 point grading range. If I was redoing that class, I'd have 4 100 point tests, 100 points worth of homework, and 100 points worth of concert reports plus 150-200 point semester test. That way, you get equitable points for the amount of time spent on things.

DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, March 30, 2003 01:23:56 AM
IP: 204.94.193.60

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31762

Every day since March 16, I have received e-mails from people urging me to investigate the "murder" of Rachel Corrie, a young American "peace activist" in the Gaza Strip.

Many of the e-mails have suggested Corrie, 23, of Olympia, Wash., is an "American martyr" deliberately killed by the Israeli government because of her "pro-Palestinian activism."

While I admit I personally don't have the time nor the inclination to go to the Gaza Strip to investigate the incident, I have read everything I could get my hands on in terms of coverage of the tragedy.

You can read the perspectives of those who believe her death was the result of cold-blooded, premeditated, political murder on the website of the International Solidarity Movement.

I'm going to tell you what I think actually happened to this poor, misguided, young American zealot.

First, let's recognize that Rachel Corrie went to the Gaza Strip enflamed with rage against Israel and her own country. God only knows what caused her to hold such hatred against America and the Jewish state. You can read some of her rantings on the International Solidarity Movement site. But you cannot get an appreciation of just how radicalized this woman was until you see the photograph of her taken a month before her death.

There you see the young "peace activist" burning a mock U.S. flag during a rally of what appears to be mostly Arab children in the Gaza Strip Feb. 15. Notice the facial expression. This was a picture with enough expression to be picked up by wire services weeks before her tragic death.

Then on March 16, Corrie decided to block the path of an IDF bulldozer as it was preparing the ground in anticipation of destroying the home of a terrorist in the Gaza Strip. She was there for hours taunting the bulldozer driver with a bullhorn. Sometimes she would stand in front and move aside when the bulldozer approached, according to witnesses. Other times the bulldozer operator would be forced to bring his work to a halt because Corrie refused to budge.

Finally, Corrie decided to sit on a mound of earth in front of the machine. According to Joe Smith, who attended Evergreen College with Corrie and traveled with her to the Gaza Strip, the earth started to move under her as the bulldozer approached.

"You have a couple of options," he told reporter David Bedein. "You can roll aside – you have to be very quick to get out of the way. You can fall back. But she leaned forward to try to climb up on top. She got pulled down, and the bulldozer lost sight of her. Then, without lifting the blade, he reversed and she was underneath the blade."

Now that is hardly the picture of premeditated murder. It sounds like the person most culpable in this tragedy is young Rachel Corrie.

Because the whole world saw another photo – one of Rachel Corrie with a megaphone in her hands prior to her death – the assumption has been that the bulldozer ran over a woman standing with a megaphone in her hand. That is not the case.

As I said, that picture was taken hours before Corrie decided to lie down in front of the bulldozer where the driver lost sight of her. And then, to make matters worse, to attempt to climb into the shovel rather than get out of the way.

The photo distributed internationally by Reuters and appearing on page 3 of the New York Times, March 17, was taken by the International Solidarity Movement. The Reuters caption mentioned only that the photo was taken prior to her death, suggesting that it was mere moments and that Corrie was standing with a megaphone in her hands.

If that had been the case, I would be calling this murder, too.

But it's not murder. It's more like suicide. It's a terrible tragedy that a beautiful young American woman threw her life away for an immoral political cause – defending terrorism, attacking her own country.

This will be my last word on the death of Rachel Corrie. I hope this answers all those inquisitive minds out there. I hope this addresses the misplaced notion that she was some kind of heroine, some kind of martyr. But I have no doubts, given the passions of her anti-American and anti-Israeli friends that this simple recounting of the facts will only lead to more misguided words and actions.
The Question
Sunday, March 30, 2003 01:08:29 AM
IP: 216.170.210.200

*Dances happily in the fireworks*

Chicago is so fun. Went to Dave and Busters for the first time. Eh. I suck at arcade games. That and I think Mike's Hard Lemonade tastes like Alka-Seltzer and smells like Pine-Sol. Yuck.
Pretty well exhausted myself though. We didn't get home until 4 am. and I had to drive the last part of the way because my boyfriend's sense of pride was trying to get us killed, as he kept falling asleep while driving. I finally talked him into letting me drive and we made it home much much faster. I miss Chicago.

Hmmm. The Elizabeth Smart case is going to be on the next Montel Williams Show. Good thing I'll be in class.

Replies:
All: Thanks for the monitor help. I think I'll just wait til it blows up. :)

Jaden:<If I've missed anything important please let me know. > Surfing? Saying hi to Stitch?<Washington state and I'm just not sure what I'm going to do> I say work for Starbucks. :)

Firestorm:<Too bad they aren't trying to enforce that deadline > Wheeeeee! :)

Bud-Clare:<*smacks* > Dude, between assaulting me and stepping on Attilla, you're violent. :)

Kaioto:<do not talk smack about the guys standing between > Well duh. I wouldn't either. But we do need the independent journalists, out there not embedded, to tell us stuff the embeddeds won't. I'm not talking about coordinates either (that's justa matter of journalistic responsibility- like helicopters not broadcasting SWAT team actions live.)<expect the pencil-jockey in your unit to be all hush-hush about it. > Not expect him, make him. Shut the camera off, turn off his access to "homebase," filter what he says. It's really an easy matter. <The modern American media is - not - centrist> I still believe they are, and will continue to believe it until you show me concrete proof otherwise. And Bible-thumping BIAS isn't fair either. Sure, I believe what that guy wrote, I don't doubt him. But that is only one media outlet (I'm counting the Big 3 as one outlet). Sure the media is a business. Sure it has its CEO's. But really they are so far out there they are detached, like a lot of other corporate business. If anywhere outside of NYC is a great wilderness, then I'm sure they will let little "nobody" jounalists out in BFE (Iowa or something) report without corporate getting their hooks in. Sure the CEO's care about profits. But the CEO's aren't always journalists by nature either. Alot of times its 'Ok, do what you do, but make sure you make me money and reach the largest possible audience because we all know they are cattle anyway.' <sells newspapers and air time>And of course that makes the real money for such outlets, especially newspapers. Because, you know, advertisement brings in no money whatsoever. /sarcasm <Peter, Dan, and Walter are huge cash-cows that rule the roost of their respective networks due to their earning potential> Yeah but they are not gods. They are not all-present either. KWQC out of Davenport IA, doesn't give a rats a$$ about what Tom Brokaw really has to say, and the people of Davenport don't really care either, as long as, in the half hour out of the hour and a half of evening news, they get from him snippets of world news,so that the local anchors can give them the latest BIX or layoff updates. And it's really hard to be so biased in a small town. Especially with newspapers, where, as long as they aren't backed by Gannett or something, they don't really turn a profit anyway.<DOUBLE for National Public Radio> NPR is off my radar anyway. I won't go there as I don't even listen to it. But Clearchannel is another matter entirely.<In the International Media, you'll find ethnocentricism flows thick> Which is not any more different than on the 'homefront'<As a result, reporting will be skewed based on what that particular society views as somewhere between centrist and "progressive" tinged with not a small dose of Nationalism in some places> Welcome to America.<who the Hell keeps the journalists honest> I believe it is the journalists. They value the fact that(for the most part) they are unregulated, and they wish to keep it that way. Once regulation is introduced, you can pave the way for censorship or real bias. They have set up their own codes of ethics to live by. All they have is their credibility. That is the only thing really that elevates them from the supermarket tabloids. Most of it counts as to how the public views them, but as the public is largely uninformed and doesn't exactly have the inside view that journalists have, peer opinion can go along way. Granted, this amounts to bull if your peer is a pompous joke like Rather, if you stack up next to the journalist the opinion of someone wise and renowned then that can go a long way. Ok I'm done.

Green Baron and Attilla: Man it looks like you piled up some crap to step in. :)<as an enemy combatant > Harsh choice of words. I'm seeing old Kent State stuff from the History channel before my eyes right now.<So I should spare her.> Play it safe and make fun of Ross Perot for a while. It will be a change of pace. You too, Attila. *Dottie-dog passes a bandage, though*<Sadaam is an honorary citizen of Detroit> Heh, looks like he's 'representing' well then. 8-)<OJ as one of his hitmen > Ah, but Dottie commands Surf the evil attack rat, and Zen, the attack rat who doesn't know any better. They would make him bleed and then he would prance around and jump on a chair, because they _are_ rats. <hope the speedbumps didn't damage his car :) > Eh, that's just for sport. :)<if you think about it > But if you think about it too hard, your a sad individual.:)<I'd take a few from you > Adopt, or Kidnap?

Ok I need sleep (not that I'll get any, but its fun to say)
Maybe Dottie and I will go eat oreos right now. Yum. Oreos and root beer.

Later!
Dezi
Sunday, March 30, 2003 01:03:14 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Well, after some slight tweaking, finally updated and changed a bunch of stuff on my site. What a long weekend! ;) Check it out, if you so dare ;)
Niamhgold
Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:18:40 AM
IP: 209.143.83.90

Work on the tgs website has been completed. The TGS Theme Songs page (tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/themes.html) has been revised. tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/index.html has been revised slightly.

*launches fireworks*
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:48:34 PM
IP: 204.94.193.52

GB> <<She regarded the suicide bombers as heroes>>

Oh, I imagine she told you; or are you just inferring?

<<and had deliberately blocked official business.>>

Oh, I see, now, when it comes to bussiness, get the hell out of the way. Human life is nothing when it comes to bussiness.

<<Now, I understand your sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians,>>

No you don't. I'm not even half-way educated on what's going on down there. I feel as sorry for children blown up on buses just as much as I feel sorry for her. Both are human beings brutally murdered, and I find no humour in either one of those situations.

<<and I would love it if Israel was a Federal republic like the US so the West Bank and Gaza Strip could become Palestinian states, as Mississippi and Texas are states.>>

You anti-semite. (that's a joke by the way). Israel gets everything or nothing!

<<Unfortunately, conditions are not that ideal.>>

Well, if you keep telling yourself that, it will never happen.

<>

Enemy combatant? What the f!ck did she do to be your enemy?! Stand up for people's rights? Sit in front of a house and get mowed over? You don't even know the slightest thing about her and she's an enemy combatant? Is this Catholic??

<>

Damn, dude. I wasn't here for that. But why is it that you can joke about these, but when someone critisizes or jokes about child-molesting preists, it's the biggest crime in the world?

Gabriel
Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:38:37 PM
IP: 65.68.76.145

10th in the name of the Fay!

mc
Mooncat
Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:24:47 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

9th!
Lady Mystic and Fire Storm
Saturday, March 29, 2003 09:55:50 PM
IP: 66.72.176.246

8th!
Leo
Saturday, March 29, 2003 09:38:09 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Lucky Seven
Lila
LA
Saturday, March 29, 2003 09:23:13 PM
IP: 134.173.121.83

Number six!
Patrick Toman
Saturday, March 29, 2003 09:19:03 PM
IP: 68.73.165.19

fifth!
Dezi
Saturday, March 29, 2003 09:06:12 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

4th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Saturday, March 29, 2003 09:03:22 PM
IP: 198.151.130.245

3rd
silvadel
Saturday, March 29, 2003 08:47:56 PM
IP: 208.58.107.167

2nd ;)
Ed
Saturday, March 29, 2003 08:41:11 PM
IP: 213.187.48.43

wow, it's soo...CLEAN!
Vash
Saturday, March 29, 2003 08:39:51 PM
IP: 129.98.31.102