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Saw Bruce Almighty today with some friends. Not bad. Can't say the trailer's really excited me, though.

This will probably be my last full post for the summer, as I'm trying to avoid an online presence in favor of my new job. I'll probably be off AIM as well, for those who care. Of course, I can always be reached by email, and I'll still be responding to random posts here and there.

Mooncat: <<Dark Angel, season one on DVD>>: I'll probably pick that up this summer.
<<rather eye popping spreads>>: Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to pick up a copy of FHM.
<<new episodes of season three showing in Europe, but not here. How unfair>>: Does that mean season three is already completed?

Guardian: <<would a mineral spirit be just what it sounds like or something else that I wouldn't find in a liquor store?>>: No, it's something else. Ask at your local hobby store.
<<would you know if airbrushes are sold for personal use?>>: Yes they are. Check your local art supply store. My dad's been through several, but be careful, nice ones are very expensive. Lots of practice is also required.

Todd: <<Must you humans name everything?>>: Not funny. And no, just the important stuff. Important stuff needs names.

Gunjack: <<I'm working on that, myself, but the family genes tend to dictate otherwise>>: That was too much info.

Taleweaver: <<Wait until you crash the wedding>>: Oh I've already seen most of the stuff, having watched my roommate go through the game.

Gside: <<three swords>>: Nope.
<<It's to clean oil based paint>>: Thin it, actually.
<<Hairlessness seems to be in now>>: especially for the womens.

Lynati: <<"life" -sized replica of, say, the Phoenix Gate?>>: I didn't catch this the last time around. $150, if it was well done. And I'm pretty picky about art.

See you all in a while.

206. When my Legions of Terror park their vehicle to do reconnaissance on foot, they will be instructed to employ The Club.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, May 25, 2003 01:48:35 AM
IP: 64.170.153.172

Yes, yes, me again. Maybe I'm hoping to hit top ten:

Lynati: I'm just doing paintings this year. Your ceramic tarot cards sound like an awesome idea (then again, I can't do anything well beyond 2D art unless I model it in 3D Max and then print it in plaster ;)). I look forward to seeing the bronze casting at the Gathering. Art you on the art committee this year? (You can email me at any point, too, by clicking the link). I help with a lot of pricing stuff in the development office at school, too, so if you have any other questions about that I can help.

(I promise, my last post for the night ;))
Niamhgold - [fluff_astrid@yahoo.com]
Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:46:48 AM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Mooncat: Thanks a bundle :) I'll be sticking to the standard poker deck, but your advice is much welcomed :)

::meanders back to MiSTing Resident Evil::
Niamhgold
Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:41:50 AM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Niamhgold: *reads Post* that helps ...well, for one, it's going to be a cast in bronze, not made of clay. two, I think I'm going to hang on to the wax original in case people like it enough to commision a copy from me.
I think I'll put it up for auction in the art sale, see how it flies.

playing cards, eh? ...to clear up the confusion, I'm intending to do a set of Tarot cards as ceramic tiles next semester, basing it off who "has" them in my fic, a la Roger Zelazny's Amber royalty's Trumps.
Lynati
Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:38:14 AM
IP: 65.66.156.220

ah. I see.

Lynati
Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:28:39 AM
IP: 65.66.156.220

Mooncat- eh? what are you talking about?
When did I ever mention my tarot project in this room? *scans CR and gets more confused*
besides, I'm using the same characters who hold them in my fic, only one or two of which are canon Gargoyles characters. While I appreciate the advice, I already know exactly who is being used, and all but 4 or 5 are gargoyles- and none of which are human.

*BAMFs out, looking confuzzled*
Lynati
Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:27:08 AM
IP: 65.66.156.220

I meant Niamhgold, not Lynati... brain is very tired, sorry!
Mooncat
Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:11:16 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Lynati -

Xanatos, Fox and Owen, the Ace would of course be Baby Alex *^_^* --

Goliath, Elisa and Brooklyn... that's more tricky, you could go with Matt Bluestone, who is as close to an "ace in the hole" as you can get for the good guys as head of the garg task force, or Angela for her potential.

For Thailog, Demona and Sevarius, Delilah would be a match.

For Oberon, Titania, and Puck... If the Wierd Sisters didn't make a perfect Three, they'd be a good ace. As it is, I'd say use the Mirror of Oberon or Titania, an object instead of a person, but one with particular significance. Or go with the Arch Mage.

Myself, I'd do them as Tarot cards, then you'd get to go King, Queen, Knight, Page, then Ace through 10, plus the Major and Minor Arcana.

Xanatos king,
Fox queen,
Owen knight,
Alex page,
Ace Sevarius,
Two Brendon and Margot,
Three The Hunters Robyn, Jon and Jason
Four The Mutates Claw, Fang, Maggie and Talon,
Five: The Pack -Jackal and Hyena, Dingo, Coyote and Wolf,
Six Organized Crime: Dracon, Glasses, Danforth, Brode, Dominique Dracon and Mace Malone
Seven: The Gargoyle Clans London and Mayan - Una Leo Griff / Zaphero Obsidiana Turquesa and Jade
Eight: Clan Ishimura - there were enough I think,
Nine: The New Olympians -
Ten: The Children of Oberon

That could be one suit... Mostly a suit of antagonists or obsticles for our heroes. Tired now, brain must rest.

more thought later
Mooncat

mc
Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:09:18 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Not up for too much of a real post today, probably because we've had three straight days of rain and it looks like at least five more of those. UGH. And it's rather void of friends in these here parts, so I've been feeling even more under the weather ;) Also working out some kinks in my gathering plans, even looked briefly at non-con hotel rooms (just because I heard some different things about the rooms in the con hotel that aren't the renovated ones), but, whatever.

Just popped in to ask a quick opinion: If there is there was to be a gargoyles deck of cards, with hearts being goliath-elisa-brooklyn, clubs being thailog-demona-sevarius, spades being oberon-titania-puck, and diamonds being xanatos-fox-owen, who would you select for their respective aces? Thank you for any input whatsoever...I'm sure it's been guessed where I'm going with this by now ;)

Lynati: As for pricing on the gate, if it's a one-of-a-kind, just price it how you feel comfortable. I usually take the hours I put into an original piece and multiply it by an hourly rate, determined by method of production (digital pieces I price cheaper because they're easily reproduced; acrylics, more expensively with the option of cheap prints). So, say you use an "affordable" hourly rate like ten an hour, say you put five straight hours into the piece--fifty. Add-on amounts for embellishments like metallic glazes/other non-ceramic materials. Also take into account size and amount of ceramics used. You could get a pretty good amount, but I think this year people may not spend as much as they might have in previous years--if necessary, don't sell it for too little and you could sell it for a good price later when the economy picks up again ;)

FFX: <Wakka> Gotta say that I love Seymour's character best, though Wakka has a place in my heart for being reminiscent of Zell ;)

I hope the rest of you have a relaxing, fun Memorial Day!
Niamhgold
Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:20:58 PM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Imzadi> <<everyone had lousy names for their weapons>>: Not my fault. How about Roronoa Zoro's three swords: Wado (Ichimonyi), Sungdai (Kitetsu), and Yubashi. Or maybe Shigure.
<<How convenient for you>>: I consider all areas of a parents' house equally sad. Some are just more cannonical.

Guardian> <<would a mineral spirit be just what it sounds like or something else that I wouldn't find in a liquor store?>>: Most people wouldn't want to drink it. It's to clean oil based paint.

Gunjack> <<It depends on what you mean by "accurate">>: All bullets land within a couple square inches.
<<What, he didn't like the vibe or sommat?>>: Not his style. He was there for Dylan (who wasn't even booked).
<>: There are many chapters.
<<I'm working on that, myself, but the family genes tend to dictate otherwise>>: It's probably a good thing. Hairlessness seems to be in now.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:19:15 PM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Sorry about that. Hit the enter key prematurely.

Josh & FFX> Wait until you crash the wedding. Definately a trailer worthy FMV. Best voice acting is Wakka hands down.

Todd & X:Men Ev> Yeah, I was thiking the same thing. I mean its the middle of sweeps month and KidsWB has hyped nothing. I guess it feels it doesn't have to with no competition. I've checked epguides.com and it's close to the 39 episode mark. For many animated series that's the choke-off point.
Taleweaver
Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:03:39 PM
IP: 24.205.177.107

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Taleweaver - [loremaster27]
Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:54:36 PM
IP: 24.205.177.107

Josh - Tsumukari, the sword-god. Though if it were me, I'd go with Valkyrie or Stihletto.

Gside><<But a minigun throws a lot of them. And I can't see anyone being very accurate with such a gun.>> It depends on what you mean by "accurate". They fire a hundred rounds a second, so you just point it at the enemy, pull the trigger, and move the spray of bullets onto the target. It's like aiming a hose. I've heard that standard practice is to load a tracer every other round, so you can see EXACTLY where your bullets are going and adjust accordingly.
<<Though my father walked out before Hendrix came on.>> What, he didn't like the vibe or sommat?
<<Draw the backs of the index and middle fingers across the lips, then shake with those two fingers.>> uh HUH.
<<Semi famous hornor society. >> Oh. Hey, I think my brother was in that. o.O <<I've got hair in places you don't want to think about.>> I'm working on that, myself, but the family genes tend to dictate otherwise.

Yeah, that's about it. Just a few days till akon, and I don't think I'll be finishing my shotgun in time. Just as well.. Airport security wouldn't have liked it... 8 P

Gunjack "Take Me To Your Leader" Valentine
Saturday, May 24, 2003 07:19:09 PM
IP: 65.93.78.173

MOONCAT - I agree with you on "X-Men: Evolution" (I'd recently read that they'd aired the last four episodes in Belgium); I'm a bit disappointed with Kids WB for taking so long in airing them (and especially passing up the opportunity to air them while the second X-Men movie is showing in theatres and doing quite well). There are times when I half-wonder if it's deliberate (in light of WB having connections to DC Comics, which would make them obviously not too keen on giving anyone or anything produced by Marvel Comics that much publicity).

JOSH - I've been, for the past couple of days, felt strongly tempted to respond to the "what should I name it?" query with "Must you humans name everything? Nothing's real to you until you've named it, given it limits. Does the sky need a name? Does the river?" Sorry, just couldn't resist it.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, May 24, 2003 06:59:26 PM
IP: 171.75.194.6

Josh: Hmm, interesting advice. Now, please do forgive my ignorance (or you can laugh at it too, 's-call good), would a mineral spirit be just what it sounds like or something else that I wouldn't find in a liquor store?

And would you know if airbrushes are sold for personal use?

Thanks again people-persons.
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Saturday, May 24, 2003 03:18:55 PM
IP: 67.115.74.119

A-kon - this will be the first time in years that I've had to miss the convention in Dallas. sighs...

Lynati - Did you know Suncoast now sells Pocky? If you don't have a Suncoast near you, check out any Asian grocery/market, it's fairly common. I've seen it in Korean and Vietnamese stores, even a few well stocked super markets.

Pocky. The food of the gods and anime addicts everywhere *^_^* -- better to ask for more rare fare, like candy sushi or Black Black gum (caffine high, woo hoo!)

hmmm... now I want pocky. Have to wait for the Korean market to open to get some though.

Dark Angel, season one on DVD. sighs... I loved this show. Watched the premiere eps again last night with friends. hooked some new watchers *^_^* heh. Now if only Dead Last will come out on DVD. Such a good series, but only showed the whole trial first season in Canada. =( damn. Just thinking of it because one of the actors was an extra/cameo on Dark Angel.

Buffy - browsed the magazine rack at the bookstore and saw FHM current ish has a pictoral of the girls of Buffy. Whoa! *blinks* racy much! Charisma and Allison (Cordelia and Willow) have some rather eye popping spreads. Somehow it just seemed more disturbing than sexy though.

X-men Evolution... there are new episodes of season three showing in Europe, but not here. How unfair. sigh... And season four should be gearing up soon.

Well, later! It's Saturday and maybe the room will refresh this week. Or we could go for a record.

*^_^*

Mooncat
Saturday, May 24, 2003 07:51:39 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Woke up at the crack of nine to deal with Berkeley's army of parking nazis. Turns out that getting the permit was no effort at all. They didn't even ask for proof of residence. Unfortunately, the permit expires June 30, so I'll have to get a new one real soon. Then I spent 30 minutes looking for a spot when I returned, because commencement exercises had already begun.

Started a game of FFX today. Beautiful.

Gunjack: <<names>>: Valkyrie is nice, as are stiletto and Aurora. And now you've got me thinking on starcraft names. Avoiding anything that can be used as a synonym for "big", because it just doesn't make sense.

Patrick: <<Weird Al's new album is out?>>: The parody of the Avril song is worth 17.99 by itself.
<<Name your car "Sex.">>: LOL.

Lain: <<id probably name it "bond>>: Maybe I'll call it "Pussy Galore" instead ;-)
<<get the new 7 character licencing>>: That costs an extra $25/year. Not worth it.

Guardian: <<figures>>: My advice is to use an airbrush and buy lots of different types of tape at your local hobby store for masking. Then hit it with a wash made from acrylic and mineral spirits.

Gunjack: <<what's Phi Beta Kappa>>: Honors society.

Gside: <<names>>: Damn, everyone had lousy names for their weapons.
<<We have visiting grandparents in the basement>>: How convenient for you.

205. All repair work will be done by an in-house maintenance staff. Any alleged "repairmen" who show up at the fortress will be escorted to the dungeon.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, May 24, 2003 06:28:10 AM
IP: 64.170.153.10

Warpmind> I just tried sending you my information, but my email account yelled at me. "Recipient Address rejected: Relay access denied." Rutgers my be kicking me off my accounts now. I'll try again when I get my Comcast account set up on this computer.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, May 24, 2003 03:13:16 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Imzadi> <<What about legendary weapons?>>: Masamune, Murasame, Excalibur, Caladbolg, Longinus, Gungnir, Mjollnir, Gram, Balmung, Durandal, Arondight, Caliburn, Shishi-o, Hauteclaire, Gae Bulg.
<<Have you sunken to living in your parent's basement>>: No, I'm on the ground floor. We have visiting grandparents in the basement.
<<Road Trip>>: Ah. Seen it, didn't memorize it.
<<That explains it>>: Yes, yes it does.

Christine> Happy anniversary.

Gunjack> <<Well, bullets are localized KE too, ne'?>>: But a minigun throws a lot of them. And I can't see anyone being very accurate with such a gun.
<<Wasn't Woodstock all Hippie music?>>: Probably. Though my father walked out before Hendrix came on.
<<But to me, folk music is 16 Tons, Darling Ailie, and the Mary Ellen Carter>>: I'd still call it a subset of hippie music.
<<Whadja think?>>: Haven't listened to it yet.
<<Picky, picky>>: Yes, I am.
<<Masamune was the nice one, Ne?>>: Generally. One version is that Murasama was Masamune's student, but didn't realize that swords should be instrements to preserve life also.
<<And what's the PBK handshake?>>: Draw the backs of the index and middle fingers across the lips, then shake with those two fingers.
<<Heck, what's Phi Beta Kappa (I assume that's the Acronym)?>>: Semi famous hornor society. Started by a couple of drunk guys who liked to read at William and Mary.
<<And a whoooole lotta hair>>: I've got hair in places you don't want to think about.
<<if we send it to the Rutgers address, will it still get to ya?>>: I am not at Rutgers any more, so anything going to Piscataway or New Brunswick will not find me. The address on the box should be for where I am now (Fair Haven). It's just stupid luck my street is named Rutgers.

Lain> << << -- pocky..>>: I prefer http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=70

Na zdororv'ya.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, May 23, 2003 11:59:18 PM
IP: 68.37.214.185

lynati>> <<if I send you money for it, will you buy me chocolate pocky at A-kon and send it to me? O.O>> uh.. if there IS pocky.. sure!
lain - [<< -- pocky..]
Friday, May 23, 2003 11:42:44 PM
IP: 65.93.79.104

It's Friday, which means I spent the morning messing with clay and hot wax in my summer bronze-casting class. I think in general it might be better if I stopped doing things to make my fingers bleed...first it was that whatever-it-was that jabbed me under the nail when we were sorting out what the sculpture department laughingly calls "clay", and then I sliced a little line into my finger trying to clean dried hot glue off my scissors...

Anyway, just a question for the room:

How much would you pay for a "life" -sized replica of, say, the Phoenix Gate?

lain- if I send you money for it, will you buy me chocolate pocky at A-kon and send it to me? O.O

Spacebabie- I left you linky-goodness (in response to your request) in your LJ a while back, did you ever see it?

POCKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Lynati
Friday, May 23, 2003 10:45:57 PM
IP: 66.140.73.65

***Listening to S&M's "No Leaf Clover"***

It's Friday, which means I spent the afternoon studying Culteral Anthropology, which means I'm again angry at the world in general. Today's topic was Religion and Magic, and I think in general it might be better if I stopped thinking and killed a few hundred more sprites.

Gside><<You've been away too long.>> I have an elliptical orbit, but I do try to shine on the near passes. <<Stay away from the flamable material so you don't get annoyed.>> The whole world annoys me. I think I'm starting to understand how Wilek feels.
<<Right, but how about localized kinetic energy?>> Say what? You mean the difference between a feight train and a steel bar? Well, bullets are localized KE too, ne'?
<> Magic Potion. Obelix fell in when he was a baby, so the effects (super strength, pretty much) are permanent. I saw the cartoons when I was a kid, and I highly recommend them.
<< Folk is hippie music. There are many who never forgave Dylan for going electric.>> Wasn't Woodstock all Hippie music? Weren't they at least mostly electric? Though, I suppose TRUE hippie music is the guy sitting on the grass with his headband and guitar... But to me, folk music is 16 Tons, Darling Ailie, and the Mary Ellen Carter.
<<Nope, but picking it up now.>> Whadja think? Also, the Patriot Games theme by James Horner deserves a nod...
<<...passport>> Picky, picky. 8 ) <<And I was just pairing mythological Japanese blades.>> Masamune was the nice one, Ne?
<<Anything like the PBK handshake, or more violent?>> Well, the Security Department version includes a cavity search for weapons, explosives, or psychotropic substances...
And what's the PBK handshake? Heck, what's Phi Beta Kappa (I assume that's the Acronym)? <<And you didn't have time for a test drive, hence this being a nightmare?>> Mostly, I felt very, very sick, and tried not to die.
<<Man you're short. I've almost got a foot on you.>> And a whoooole lotta hair...
Um, by the way, about that check we were gonna send ya... I thought we'd sent it a few weeks ago... and then we found it a few days ago in the bottom of Lain's purse. So, yeah. Um, if we send it to the Rutgers address, will it still get to ya?

Green Baron><> "Upon hearing that General Jackson was on his deathbed, two Angels were dispatched from Heaven to guide him to his eternal rest. When they arrived, however, the general was nowhere to be found. They searched high and low to no avail, and returned emptyhanded and dejected... Whereupon they learned that, by means of a brilliant flanking manuever, the General had slipped through the Pearly Gates ahead of them."
<> I didn't much like the first Dirty Harry, and I haven't seen the rest. I prefer the duo of Way of the Gun and The Usual Suspects. Seen em?
"Yes, God answers prayers... in the order they are recieved."
<> What all's up with this New York Times mess? I've missed the news...
<<Well, our edge was a slight luck of the draw.>> ...Niiiiice analysis. 8 ) I feel better informed already.
<<What do you eat an hour before you go to bed?>> Y'know, the usual... Some chicken wings... pizza rolls, a couple polish sausages, a chocolate milkshake... Barbeque sauce, some beef jerky... I think it was beef jerky. It was in the living room.

Josh><<The steel pipe does the same.>> The other two killed his body, and forced him to find a new one. If the steel pipe did that, and Neo was hip-deep in bodies, and more kept coming, that'd be one thing... but there WERE no bodies. 8 P
<<I'm sure it does. But written discourse should be more thought-out, less flamey.>> True. Mea Culpa, or such.
<<Whatever you save in heating you'll lose in the cost of getting utilities/services out there.>> ...Or we could go nuclear... Or solar, perhaps. Mayeb I'll hire hippies to pedal bicycles 24/7 for my voltage, as long as I'm dreaming...
<<"For hunting". My ass.>> It's still hunting, whether the game walks on four legs or two.

Bud Clare><<coughChristianitycough... Sorry, I got something caught in my thoat. ;)>> Only, the Commies were even worse...

Lain><<were taking a flight to the a-kon anime convention, which is in dallas, texas, courtesy of val's TOTALLY AWESOME mother!!>> Isn't she, though? Not to brag or anything, but I have the coolest mom in the WHOLE WORLD. Any who disagree will have reason beaten into them with a sack of Brick Bread.
AKON!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Gunjack "Elliptical Life" Valentine
Friday, May 23, 2003 09:44:08 PM
IP: 65.93.78.173

*hem* Yeah, me again.

Different question this time, and if I'm posting in the wrong place I apologize.

Anyway, do any of you have any experience in figure repaints? For example, taking a Goliath figure and repainting it to resemble Thailog?

I an completely lost on the subject, meaning I'm not sure if there're a number of steps I should follow to garantee a nice-looking finish. If anyone can help me out there please feel free to e-mail me or respond here.

Thank you all for your time.
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
Friday, May 23, 2003 07:25:33 PM
IP: 67.115.75.62

[<<was always a fan of the Quantum Leap finale (can't remember the name)>>
*howls* I almost remember the name... Evil, evil ending, though. Poor Donna. I wonder how long it took her to give up and remarry. ]
"Mirror Image". gods that was a good ep. made me cry, it did, and very few movies have that honor.

-but the finale of "Forever Knight" was FAAAR more evil.

Lynati
Friday, May 23, 2003 01:36:26 PM
IP: 66.140.73.65

Egad, it's been far too long since I posted! But then, since I don't watch Buffy and haven't seen the new Matrix movie ... ; )

I'm happy to announce that today is not only Fnord Day (are you cleared for it?) but Tim and my 11th wedding anniversary. Didn't check the list, but hopefully this year is the Yard Care Anniversary, since we decided to buy a power mower. Ooh, the romance ... hold me back!

I also just found out that at Westercon (July 4th weekend, SeaTac, WA), I'm going to be on a panel with LARRY NIVEN! Talk about intimidating! Me and a bunch of other authors I've never heard of, discussing utopian societies with Larry Niven! Do I bring Footfall or Lucifer's Hammer or both ... and is it tacky to bring destroy-the-world books to a panel on utopia?

Truegold is now officially out -- the thrilling conclusion to the ElfLore trilogy. Order your copy now!
Christine - [<--- new releases!]
Friday, May 23, 2003 01:11:24 PM
IP: 208.187.15.253

josh re: car names>> if it was MY car.. id probably name it "bond. james bond" and get the new 7 character licencing that we have as BOND 007... but thats me ;)

what about something like "corsair", "tempest" or "spitfire"?
lain
Friday, May 23, 2003 11:39:33 AM
IP: 65.93.79.104

Hi guys,

The Gathering T-shirts are about to go for printing, and, due to budgetary concerns, and the fear of being stuck with a bunch of shirts nobody wants, it's going to be a fairly limited run.

So, to insure you get one, or if you want to avoid the sales-tax mark-up at the con, or you can't make it to the Gathering but you still want one or both of the of the shirts, ORDER NOW at gathering.gargoyles-fans.org

The designs for the Gathering shirt can be found here:

http://www.kantharasloft.com/temp/tshirt-g2003-small.jpg

While the design for the Othercon shirt can be found here:

http://imaginatorcentral.com/ic/index.html

Go to Art, then Requests, pick the 2003 directory, and it's in the middle of the first page, the one titled "Livin Large:Othercon"

Thanks, and I hope to see all of you in New York in (checks Patrick's post) 35 days.

Aaron - [JCarnage@yahoo.com]
San Antonio, TX, USA
Friday, May 23, 2003 11:03:39 AM
IP: 66.139.49.253

Weird Al's new album is out? Cool... looks like I need to make a run to Best Buy this weekend.

Car names > Forget the martial arts weapons and submarines. Name your car "Sex." It'll make for hours of amusement when the day comes that you've forgotten where you've parked. When the off-duty cop patrolling the mall garage cruises by and asks you why you're wandering around, you can just tell him "I'm looking for Sex." ;)

35 days left until The Gathering 2003!
Patrick Toman
Friday, May 23, 2003 07:11:10 AM
IP: 65.43.155.224

More names, cause I can't stop thinking...
Shuriken
Tachi - a japanese long sword
Shrike - a bird that impales its prey on thorns before eating. Also a vietnam-era Antiradiation missile.
Tiamat - Babylonian dragon-god of chaos.
Apollyon - Heh.
Molech - It buuuuurrrrnnnssss...
Crowley - "Do as you will"
Baphomet
Old Scratch, for a southern touch. Yes, I think you should name yer new car after the DEVIL.
Hecate - mythological sommat or other...
Kali or Shiva, though if you were lookin' at god names, I'm sure you saw these already.
Leviathan - kinda a counterpart to Behemoth; a serpent/dragon.
Amok - Know what "running amok" ACTUALLY means? It refers to a killing frenzy brought on by severe emotional damage. The sufferer would run out into the street, attacking anyone he found.
Rakshasa - Indian nasty, often with the face of a tiger.
Wendigo - The Wendigo, The Wendigo, I saw him just a friend ago...

I don't think I killed nearly enough things today. Maybe that's why I'm still up.
V
Friday, May 23, 2003 04:55:41 AM
IP: 65.93.79.104

Josh - Two weapon names: Gladius and Spatha, the roman infantry and cavalry swords, respectively.

Gea Bolg - Cuchulainn's spear; unfortunately, may leave you open to "gay" jokes...
Valkyrie
Stiletto - A long, thin dagger with a triangular blade, designed to deliver nasty stab wounds that are difficult to close.
Fafnir - a nasty dragon killed by the warrior Seigfried
Ghost - The Starcraft kind, not the Unchained Melody sex and pottery kind.
Flatliner or Longbow - two of my favorite rifle names, just because.

Real post when I dang well please.
Gunjack "Lurking Nasty" Valentine
Friday, May 23, 2003 04:13:19 AM
IP: 65.93.79.104

Lain: Be glad you aren't trying to get around the downtown Detroit area this weekend. Detroit Electronic Music Festival all weekend will COMPLETELY swamp the area. Not a good time to try to go downtown (Unless, of course, you like tech, dance, and electronic music.)

BTW...
Does anyone know of a program that I can use to record about 100 hours straight of MP3s?
Fire Storm
Friday, May 23, 2003 03:00:39 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Drove back to Berkeley today. The trip was uneventful and my new car handled it beautifully. I also picked up the new Weird Al CD. Not amazing, but the parodies are funny. I think its important to buy his CD's so he keeps doing what he's doing. He's turned out some real gems, and that's definitely worth $17 every couple years.

Gunjack: <<Akula>>: I've been considering that. Didn't know the translation, but now it seems even more appropriate.
<<Aurora>>: That's good too.
<<weapons>>: I was thinking Medeival, but I just looked through my D&D Arms and Equipment Guide and couldn't find a single name I liked, except maybe Scimitar. What about legendary weapons?

Fire Storm: <<Most of the names on that list were names from a page on submarine accidents anyway>>: Tryin' to tell me something?
<<Detroit is a car city>>: gee, I wonder why.

Niamhgold: << This also fits in with the mythical role of Persephone>>: If I knew the myth I'd probably have come to the same conclusion.
<<I'm only 5'3">>: Whoa really?
<>: Tuesday. Unfortunately, they won't pay me for at least two weeks.
<<Tunafish and doritos>>: Add chips to everything for extra crunch!
<<are you talking about male "milk"?>>: I don't think that's milk.
<>: But you missed Faith being slutty...oh wait, you don't care.
<>: That would be redundant, as those positions are already taken.
<<Are you two going to start sparring anytime soon?>>: Unlikely, as I'll be taking a haitus from the CR for the summer.
<<At least the pill is covered by most insurance policies>>: So is the computer.
<<that's probably the reason why you're getting weak-a$$ names>>: They aren't weak, I just don't want to use them. Just because I solicit advice doesn't mean I have to follow it.
<<who wants to name a car Harmony?>>: Not I.
<>: Guess I won't be living with you anytime soon.
<<Are you going to brainwash your troops, or are you just going to dangle massive amounts of money?>>: The cheaper one.
<<how will you defend yourselves from Genetically Engineered Battle-Babes from Pluto^TM?>>: One bullet at a time.
<>: I didn't want to leave in case the scene actually ended.
<>: I don't know about that...
<<that makes *you* cool>>: Or just aware.
<<That's what he's assumed, to this point>>: Then I should remember that Keanu is an idiot.
<<just call it Boom Boom Kitty F%ck>>: Too long.
<<it could be sponsored by Red Bull>>: They're busy with Flugtag.

Lain: <>: That was your first mistake.

Bud Clare: <<The Wish>>: Great episode.
<<You're a little bit evil, you know that?>>: Blue would qualify as very evil.
<<You can never have too many names>>: If I only need one, then the rest are redundant.
<<he arrogantly assumed that everyone in the world was as big a pervert as he was (and in the same way, too)>>: Yeah, I resent that. I'm a completely different type of pervert.
<<That doesn't mean that it's okay for tv to be completely divorced from reality>>: You've obviously never watched a primetime soap (i.e. Dawson's Creek).
<<You could use the practice>>: Another reason I'm not having kids.
<>: I agree. But the REST of the spots...
<<They should die. Especially when I'm trying to study>>: No, they should die long before you start studying.
<<Plotting his demise, were you?>>: He's not the first...although he is the first MALE.

Gside: <>: Have you sunken to living in your parent's basement?
<<At least it's in your head now>>: it already was. I spent my first day with the car reading the manuals/warranties instead of driving it.
<<the manual doesn't come with food>>: But I can read the manual at home, which comes with free food when I visit.
<>: Road Trip.
<<What do you pay?>>: Not sure yet. Depends on the market.
<<one was an engineering alum>>: That explains it.

Hasta Manana.

204. I will hire an entire squad of blind guards. Not only is this in keeping with my status as an equal opportunity employer, but it will come in handy when the hero becomes invisible or douses my only light source.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, May 23, 2003 02:47:33 AM
IP: 66.125.231.187

fire storm>> <<why aren't you flying from an airport on the Canadian side of the river? Passport?>> passport a little.. money mostly. being poor, the companion fair on greyhound is a weensy bit more economical than 2 extra airfares. i have all the info for the passport, its all filled out and pictures taken and ready to go but.. since i now have no house.. i now have no money. i have a valid british passport, and proof of canadian birth and residency and a 7 year old expired canadian passport.. so im good for that. <<when you coming to the area>> well.. our flight leaves at 6:14 AM on friday the 30th of may.. so wed have to be in the city on the 29th, at least. probably crash at the airport. <<You may also want to check out DDOT's website>> pffft, that was the "useless piece of junk website" i was talking about.. thanks tho ;) <<you MAY have to take a DDOT bus to the edge of Detroit then hop on a SMART bus>> actually.. with resarch.. we found out that one of the SMART stops is about one or two blocks over from the greyhound station. YAY! <<picked the wrong city to use public transportation>> is ANY city really the *right* one? <<Detroit is NOT public transportation OR pedestrian friendly>> just like london, so ill feel riiiiiight at home :P

dph>> <<why are you headed to Detroit>> were taking a flight to the a-kon anime convention, which is in dallas, texas, courtesy of val's TOTALLY AWESOME mother!!
lain
Friday, May 23, 2003 02:44:34 AM
IP: 65.93.79.104

Lain: Just thought of something: You may also want to check out DDOT's website.

DDOT works only in the city of Detroit, and SMART doesn't really work too well in Detroit, so you MAY have to take a DDOT bus to the edge of Detroit then hop on a SMART bus to go to DTW.

You REALLY picked the wrong city to use public transportation! Detroit is NOT public transportation OR pedestrian friendly. Detroit is a car city.
Fire Storm - [<--- DDOT]
Friday, May 23, 2003 02:31:22 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

As much as I appreciate the effort to set a new record in the cr, is there some particular reason the cr hasn't been wiped? (like the normal admin lost the bookmark to the page, etc)

Green Baron - <Your dad and Lain's dad oughtta have a contest about who the biggest jerk is. They can call it
the Great North American Jerk-Off Contest> *thinks about it* well, if you go through my previous rants agains the moron and compare it to Lain's rants against her dad, whose dad is worse?

Lain - why are you headed to Detroit?

All the kittens from one of my litters died while the mother is still MIA.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, May 23, 2003 01:56:59 AM
IP: 204.94.193.22

I am now officially unemployed. I was handed two pieces of paper at the graduation, but the non engineering piece of paper didn't have the major. With any luck, the one Rutgers College will send me will have it. And apparently, I get immunities now that I have a bachelor's.

Imzadi> <<stuff I could have found by RTFM'ing. But there was free food>>: At least it's in your head now, and the manual doesn't come with food.
<<Silver>>: I think Argent is a female name.
<<Just remember, TBP is a black frat>>: I don't get it.
<<The difference?>>: It's not spread out, and doesn't mess with the whole body at once.
<>: He started out coherent?
<<Sneakers>>: Excellent. You get an empty answering machine case.
<<You've been using windows, they've been sufficiently deadened>>: And by many other sources.
<<Maybe you can be a techie>>: What do you pay? Heck with it, I just need a job.
<<Well what else would you whack...>>: Feet, and blunt inplements.
<<eewww>>: That too.

Niamhgold> <>: Raid yard sales for the loudest tie you can find. Wait, only my father would like that. You're an artist: think mural. My brother painted my computer, maybe he wants hist to look nicer.
<<Congratulations, and good luck today!>>: Thank you. It went pretty well, lined up near some people I know, so could talk while waiting around. The speakers weren't so good (one was an engineering alum).
<<Have you ever tried moose?>>: Not yet.
<<if it happens with people you know, I'll tell you so you know what the lol^4 breach is>>: As you wish.
<<What's your favorite recipe?>>: Easy: saltimbolca. Put mozerella and double thick cut proscuitto on veal or chicken, fold and hold with toothppicks, cover with flour (flavored, I reccommend salt, pepper, garlic powder, cayenne, curry, and some elements of poultry seasoning). Sautee in a fat (generally butter or olive oil). Remove coked meats from frying pan (and toothpicks from meat, if you can) and dump wine in the pan (about a bottle for eight pieces, red or white depending on the type of meat), and reduce to around a quarter of the volume, pour sauce on meats. Serves well with whatever frozen veggie you have on hand and noodles (which take the sauce passably well). For an encore, I can also do a sesame chicken, but I need to find the recipe, and start cooking the chicken early so it can cool.
<>: Probably wise.
<<And then he'll get an A+ for being brilliant>>: But from the same professor?
<<Nah>>: Excellent.
<<I'm only 5'3">>: Man you're short. I've almost got a foot on you.
<>: At least you know when you're getting one.
<<Oh My Goddess!>>: Ah! Megami-Sama.
<<How long after expiration?>>: I always have a fresh batch ready.
<<are you talking about male "milk"?>>: Return of the evil laugh.
<<Harmony's nice an all, but who wants to name a car Harmony?>>: I wouldn't, but I was just looking for synonyms. Eris is much more well respected, and feared.
<<I'll just stick with the maple-frosted>>: My mother has the hardest time finding those down here.
<<GD grads face off against the IL grads>>: Graphical design and illustration?
<<You "believe"? You're not sure?>>: I don't like speaking in absolutes.
<<If I had meant Rutgers, I would have said Rutgers>>: Wasn't sure if I had said Rutgers then.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, May 23, 2003 12:47:00 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

I'm going to see my puppy today. Yay! Will be back next week.

***************
Fire Storm> <<Actually, throughout the series they keep mentioning a hellmouth in Cleveland (I think I can remember at least two times it was mentioned)>>
I don't remember it ever being mentioned as a hellmouth before, but it was where Buffy was living in "The Wish," and it was mentioned as having a lot of demonic activity.
******************
Gside> <>
You "believe"? You're not sure?

<<Was that about Rutgers in particular or just school in general?>>
School. If I had meant Rutgers, I would have said Rutgers.
*********************
Dezi> <<"There is no right or wrong, only _inappropriate_.">>
*falls over laughing*

<<Tonite I trimmed her claws and painted them light blue.>>
You're a little bit evil, you know that?
*****************
Josh> <<Because I've already got one, silly!>>
You can never have too many names. :P

<>
What does that have to do with it? Besides, he wasn't _completely_ psycho. Some of his contibutions to the field were legitimate, making up for that fact that he arrogantly assumed that everyone in the world was as big a pervert as he was (and in the same way, too).

<<What about that disturbed you? I thought it was pretty accurate.>>
That doesn't mean that it's okay for tv to be completely divorced from reality.

<<or submitting prematurely (that sounds dirty).>>
See?

<>
Maybe you should. You could use the practice. :P

<>
I noticed. I'm usually pretty conscientious with my commas, though. (I'm more likely to use too many than not enough.)

<>
I think that the handicapped people would beg to differ. There are also fire zones and such... Buildings should not burn down just so that you can get a good spot. :P

<>
They should die. Especially when I'm trying to study.
***************
Fire Storm> <<Most of the names on that list were names from a page on submarine accidents anyway>>
Plotting his demise, were you?
***************
Niamhgold> <<I'll tell you so you know what the lol^4 breach is>>
Is it when you laugh so hard that your drink comes out your nose?

<<Tunafish and doritos, with ketchup.>>
*shudders*

<<was always a fan of the Quantum Leap finale (can't remember the name)>>
*howls* I almost remember the name... Evil, evil ending, though. Poor Donna. I wonder how long it took her to give up and remarry.

<<Are you two going to start sparring anytime soon?>>
I thought we were.

<<Or computerized things.>>
That's what I said. :P

<>
I'm feeling better about the temporary insanity which led to "Ramona."

<<But that's probably the reason why you're getting weak-a$$ names>>
I suggested the names of Furies... :P
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, May 22, 2003 09:49:08 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Lain: Unfortunately, I have no working knowledge of the bus system. I am a car man myself.

Out of curiousity... why aren't you flying from an airport on the Canadian side of the river? Passport? Just curious.

And, with that same curiousity, when you coming to the area?

Fire Storm
Thursday, May 22, 2003 09:09:11 PM
IP: 66.72.180.95

Leo - [<- SMART]

yes, very.

thenk you muchly :D
lain
Thursday, May 22, 2003 07:52:10 PM
IP: 65.93.79.104

lain, I just did a search for "Detroit Transit Website" and found the homepage for SMART,the Detroit Metro Bus System. [http://smart.focalhost.com/] There is a link to "SMART at Detroit Metro Airport" (Click my name to go there) Scroll down to where it says "Route #125- Busses to Downtown Detroit Service to:"

Does this help?

Leo - [<- SMART]
Thursday, May 22, 2003 07:13:51 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

oh here.. have this too. the bus station is where it says "detroit" and the red star in the middle of the page is the actual airport where we need to be going.
lain
Thursday, May 22, 2003 06:25:54 PM
IP: 65.93.79.104

***********ATTN: PEOPLE IN THE DETROIT AREA************

alrighty.. does anybody in the detroit area have knowledge of the detroit bus system?

i have been looking for a few hours now, on the detroit transit website, trying to find a bus, or concoction of busses, that might go somewhere in the general vicinity of the DETROIT METROPOLITAN WAYNE COUNTY AIRPORT on the 29th of may, 2003.

i cant find any. the funniest part is it says "enter as much information as you know about the address, intersection or landmark. examples: "1600 MCKINLEY", "BROAD @ HIGH" or "AIRPORT"". so.. i enter "GREYHOUND" as my departure place and "AIRPORT" as my destination.. AND IT SAYS IT DOESNT RECOGNIZE THE DESTINATION!!!!! ITS USED AS A FRIKING EXAMPLE AND IT DOESNT RECOGNIZE IT!!!! good grief, useless piece of junk webpage..

so i phoned up their "customer service" and, after 30 minutes of bouncing around they stupid-a$$ed annoying automated service, i got to speak to a remarkably unhelpful woman who managed to tell me absolutely nothing at the same time as she was spouting her face off to me. she gives me a street intersection to try, which was croit @ conner (i got her to FREAKING SPELL that first one for me, too) and guess what? IT DOESNT EXIST!!! ho hum.

so now, after much frustration.. i am here. i hope there is someone in here who might be more useful than the customer service line and webpage of detroit transit combined.

PLEASE HELP ME!!!!

***********END BEGGING FOR ASSISTANCE FROM PEOPLE IN THE DETROIT AREA*************
lain
Thursday, May 22, 2003 06:23:18 PM
IP: 65.93.79.104

Niam > <<I'll try and contact you further by emaill, k?>>

That's fine. Just fyi, I'm also seeking out people WITH rooms, so if someone with a room has an offer, I might cancel my room to stay in their's.
Gabriel
Thursday, May 22, 2003 01:32:05 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

** Niamhgold enters **

Banking stuff today. I had lunch with my old boss yesterday, and she's going to be setting me up with some sweet (and long-needed) web space. Plus, she talked business out the wazoo and made me feel really good about the five years I spent there. I didn't realize it, but I started interning at that place when I was 16 and I've seen it grow *rapidly*. Almost makes me feel old for someone who hasn't even turned 21 yet ;)

I need father's day ideas, simply because I'm limited in funds. My brother is no help.

** Matrix spoilers **

I have to agree with Dezi on the idea that Persephone is the "mother" of the Matrix. I doubt that it is the Oracle, since when she and Neo spoke about renegade computer viruses, she seemed an awful lot to be referring to herself (and her bodyguard). But Persephone was never indicated as a rogue virus, just her uber-husband. I feel that Persephone chose to spend time in the Matrix as opposed to "ruling" it like the Architect, and may even be planning a revolt against him since she has spent so much time with the human, emotional world. Perhaps this is why she kissed Neo so; to take code from him while giving him the ability to communicate with her Matrix trappings (at the end, how he shorted out the squiddies ;)). This also fits in with the mythical role of Persephone (she who destroys the light); one who was beautiful, helped rule the underworld, but always desperately sought to live with her fellow mortals.

** End stupid personal viewpoint on the Matrix ;) **

Gunjack: <What kinda weapons you thinkin' of? Midevil? Modern?> I've already tried suggesting to him the medieval, but I'm guessing to no avail ;)

Gside: <Tomorrow I get inducted into PBK, then Thursday I walk.> Congratulations, and good luck today!
<But roast boar is tasty> Have you ever tried moose?
<By anyone or is it more of a private thing?> It depends on the person who breaches it. But if it happens with people you know, I'll tell you so you know what the lol^4 breach is ;)
 What's your favorite recipe?
< and I'll see if I can whack some sense into him> He'll cry. I tried for ten years of my life ;)
<Well, you are stopping the body completely from doing one of its two primary functions> I agree. I'd rather have the pill's roller-coaster stuff than the "I'm depressed, gaining weight, and seemingly menopausal" syndrome of Depo. My roommate decided to get off it when her hair started falling out a LOT.
<Vertical would probably only be worth it if there's rotation instead of just straight oscilation.> I think I'll just stick to horizontal.
<www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=187> Awesome. And then he'll get an A+ for being brilliant.
<Do you?> Nah. I'm only 5'3" .
< But I'll probably hold off on that and most other purchases until I have an income> Wise. I won't have a steady income until June 6th.
<Everything causes cancer> On a related note, King's book "Dreamcatcher" is *&^%*$ up!
<And you'd be surprised what some people put in sandwiches> Tunafish and doritos, with ketchup. And pizza and vegetable dip. Yum.
<With alternate spellings of Urd and Belldandy (and Skuld).> Oh My Goddess!
<But can they chug my milk> How long after expiration? Or, are you talking about male "milk"? ;)

DPH: <My dad was indifferent to the deaths of those kittens.> I'm so sorry--smack him.

Patrick: <And now a final thought. For all their differences, vampires are people too. And if we try, maybe we'll learn that we don't have to keep killing each other, and we _can_ just get along. After all, isn't it better to share a steak than drive one through someone's heart? Until next time, take care of yourselves, and each other."> Wow. I am SO glad I NEVER WATCHED THAT SHOW! ;)
<And now to revive an old tradition... 38 days until The Gathering!> Amen, brother!

Greg: <Now, what were some great series finales?> I was always a fan of the Quantum Leap finale (can't remember the name), the Wonder Years, and the Seinfeld finale. Newhart gets it for most creative (of its time). I wish I could wake up from the dream of my stupid life! ;)

Bud-Clare: <54% It said I'm a wannabe. Am soooo special... ;)> I think they say mutant wannabe for anything under 60%. I also think it's misleading, because I thought they were going to gage *which* mutant you'd be, not how much mutant you *are* ;)
<Oh, why don't you name it Josh? That would be approriate to your ego.> Ouch. Are you two going to start sparring anytime soon?
<so you're also stopping the buying of shiny things> Or computerized things. At least the pill is covered by most insurance policies.
<*L* You need to get out more> That's kind of a silly request for anyone in here ;) I mean, I named my little car Barry ;)

Gabriel: <It's for the Gathering. I don't think I would be looking for roomates for my apartment in the CR ;P lol> Sorry, Lain confused me ;) In any case, I *may* be interested; however, it may be a week or so before I'll know definitely. I'll try and contact you further by emaill, k?

Imzadi: <And this is why I didn't mention what the toy was and just asked for names> But that's probably the reason why you're getting weak-a$$ names (Harmony's nice an all, but who wants to name a car Harmony?)
<But that's why people watch TV. Because it isn't real life> Wh...whaa?? You mean, there *isn't* a little green alien wandering around with a robot in a dogsuit?
<Awww. Kittens rock> I agree. Now I just wish I could get over the darn allergies so that I don't have to admire them *behind* the glass at petstores ;) Until then, I'll just continue my extreme love of big puppies.
<Actually it might have been closer to six, given the outstretched length of Neo's arms> If it's anything like the Hulk's size during different parts of THAT movie, the pole's length probably varies ;)
<Everything edible, and some things not> Quizno's!
<Then you'll just have to not be one of my troops> Are you going to brainwash your troops, or are you just going to dangle massive amounts of money? And how will you defend yourselves from Genetically Engineered Battle-Babes from Pluto^TM?!? Bwahhahahahahahaha!!!!
 And I'm STILL yelling at them... <From personal experience?> In some other layer of the Matrix ;)
<That's what I do with the squeezable jelly. It seems logical.> Now for fluff in a tube.
<That is still sick> I'll just stick with the maple-frosted. And that gets eaten. Off of a *plate*.
<Any idiot can chug milk> Well, except for poor Ivanny, who proved himself to be VERY lactose intolerant ;) Next year they're doing something completely different, I think, with Tom and Jay modeling/printing 3D gamepieces that correspond to each member of our class. Therefore, we can have a chess-like game where the GD grads face off against the IL grads.
<As was I. 6 was cool and made the point. After that I got bored> I got popcorn ;)
<You're skinnier than I am> I think proportionally we're about the same.
<is because I read the business page instead of the sports page> And that makes *you* cool.
<Sneakers.> A computer matched *her*, with *him*?! I don't think so!
<Well what else would you whack...eewww.> ROTFL
< thought it was the Oracle. Didn't Neo say that?> That's what he's assumed, to this point.
<It's a car. And wouldn't that be just like calling it "Titanic", "Bismarck", or "Uncrashable"?> Oh just call it Boom Boom Kitty F%ck and get it over with ;)

Ghost of Rev. Attila: <::purrs in the laps of Mooncat, Niamhgold, and Silvadel, but not simultaenously::> Hey, long time no see. Thanks for the pleasant hello! ;) ::strokes neck::

GB: <Uh, that was me, not Gunjack> Whoopsies.
<Besides, Greyhound isn't too bad.> No, it isn't, and you actually get a seat (on Amtrak I've had to stand all the four hours to NYC). However, it's *where* the bus station in Baltimore is located--Fayette street, which equals near-death experiences ;)
<so my first experience of Canada will be Newfoundland...interesting.> Have fun!
<Great North American Jerk-Off Contest> And it could be sponsored by Red Bull! ;)

Adios
Niamhgold
Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:30:13 PM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Imzadi: <nah. I've checked out lots of submarine names/classes, but none of them seem to fit this car>
Just as well. Most of the names on that list were names from a page on submarine accidents anyway. ;)
Fire Storm
Thursday, May 22, 2003 09:10:45 AM
IP: 66.72.180.95

Can't sleep.

Josh - A few more names...
Akula - russian for Shark, and one of their nastier fast-attack subs.
Or Khan. Or Aurora.
What kinda weapons you thinkin' of? Midevil? Modern?
Gunjack "Going Slightly Mad" Valentine
Thursday, May 22, 2003 04:53:41 AM
IP: 65.93.73.126

Last full day home. I had lunch with my dad (his favorite part of the summer I worked for him was that he and I had lunch almost every day, and he misses that). I also had some minor audio work done on my car: a nice amplifier and subwoofer so that I can have low frequencies without a buzz (note: I will not be one of those assholes that rumbles through neighborhoods insisting that everyone in a 40-foot radius enjoy his music as well).

Last, an owner's seminar for my new car. The seminar was a complete waste of time, mostly reviewing warranties and stuff I could have found by RTFM'ing. But there was free food.

LM: <>: We expect no more.
<>: Just yesterday I *REALLY* needed a quote from May 5th, but I couldn't find it! Where were you!? Just kidding.

Todd: <<Giles playing Dungeons & Dragons with Xander and Andrew>>: I really liked that scene, and I was surprised Buffy didn't make more references to D&D.
<>: I was surprised to learn that it wasn't in Detroit.

Attila: <<who will lose bigger than George McGovern>>: Who? Then again, I suspect that may be the point.

Green Baron: <<this warm, decent day>>: It was actually un-decently warm here. Most distressing.
<<quick to point out its liberal bias>>: My father refers to LAT as a "liberal rag" so often that my little brother started calling it that when teachers mention it in school.
<<he has mentioned he has a thing for lesbians>>: Don't we all?
<<can send a list (but not too much stuff) of anything you may want me to get for you>>: Transformers!
<<alchohol is legal and much less dangerous than most soft drugs like pot.>>: No, you're confused. Pot is the less dangerous one.
<<Nerfle>>: Perhaps.
<<no one will love me for too long if I only offer $15.00>>: Inflation is a bitch.
<<Korea>>: Don't get SARS.
<<Seriously?>>: Well, we don't know with SARS being as bad as it is right now. But a few weeks ago it sounded like I was headed over there.
<<who knows?>>: I do. She's quite taken.
<>: Steve Ballmer.
<<Concubines can run up some high maintenance expences>>: And they don't have a power moonroof.
<<Dr. John McWhorter>>: Never heard of him.
<<Berkely has tons of big-name Professors>>: Especially in Physics, Chemistry, and Civil Engineering.
<<Anarchy would be temporary>>: True.
<<Great North American Jerk-Off Contest>>: If there's one thing we can beat the Canadians at, it's jerking off. We just have more programmers than they do.
<<your taxes pay for them>>: Isn't that what I just said?

Bud-Clare: <<tried to find some more names for Josh (which sounds funny>>: Because I've already got one, silly!
<<Not all psychologists are Freudians>>: I know, but most have to study him.
<<it was vitally important that that model show be on afterwards>>: I'd rather just flip through Maxim's Top 100.
<<Are you making the rude implications that I refrained, out of politeness, from making?>>: No. I meant literally slow down, to avoid hitting buttons or submitting prematurely (that sounds dirty).
<<At least after you've gone back and edited out the unjustifiably rude bits>>: Exactly.
<<You have terrible taste>>: Perhaps, but they seemed appropriate for various reasons. Boomer is big, heavy, slow, and destroys stuff. Typhoon has two of everything (chips, HD's, media drives, monitors). Seawolf just followed from that.
<<they're too short to get up on the counter>>: True. But I think they rock after they can get up on the counter.
<<Sometimes you disturb me>>: What about that disturbed you? I thought it was pretty accurate.
<<it can apparently be used in strange, non-sciency ways which I don't approve of>>: I agree. That's blasphemy.
<<You need to get out more>>: I don't need to name everything I own.
<<Why don't you name it "Josh"?>>: LOL! I thought you meant "Why don't YOU name it, Josh!" Oops. Anyway, I've never liked my name. And its not appropriate for my car.
<<It had nothing to do with the car>>: I know, but I didn't want to draw attention to it.
<<parking all willy-nilly is not an effective method of sharing jointly-owned resources>>: I fail to see how "parking all willy nilly" is less effective. It's not like you can park in front of a store and have the good spot for the rest of eternity: at some point you'll have to move your car and go somewhere else. For residential zones, the same applies.

Leo: <<Call it... "Kirsk">>: It's a car. And wouldn't that be just like calling it "Titanic", "Bismarck", or "Uncrashable"?

Mooncat: <<my great fondness for Rufus>>: Great character.
<<Checked>>: I'm sure they appreciated that.
<< I'm pretty sure Persephone is the "she" the Architect was talking about>>: I thought it was the Oracle. Didn't Neo say that?
<<Is the 'reality' in the Matrix movie just another layer of the Matrix>>: That's what it seems to be saying.

Gabriel: <>: Good idea. Those people are weird ;-)

Fire Storm: <<What color is the car?>>: Silver.
<<names>>: nah. I've checked out lots of submarine names/classes, but none of them seem to fit this car. I've seen some very interesting weapon names, I think I'll go research those.

Gside: <>: Just remember, TBP is a black frat ;-)
<<how about localized kinetic energy?>>: The difference?
<<It's good music>>: Amen.
<<There are many who never forgave Dylan for going electric>>: I never forgave him for going incoherent.
<<passport, verify me>>: Sneakers.
<<to move or travel back and forth between two points>>: I suppose that could technically be true...argh.
<<It doesn't offend my sensibilities>>: You've been using windows, they've been sufficiently deadened.
<>: Maybe you can be a techie.
<<I'm limited to hands?>>: Well what else would you whack...eewww.
<<So look through a list of submarine class names>>: I did. They sucked.

Dezi: <>: Of course you do.
<<they could have spent on Finding Nemo>>: Not out yet.
<<Name it Stewart>>: I think not.
<<Should I be ashamed?>>: Probably not.

And with that, I leave you for the day. Driving back up to Berkeley tomorrow afternoon.

203. I will not employ an evil wizard if he has a sleazy mustache.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 22, 2003 04:08:07 AM
IP: 67.118.128.84

I took the mutant test... and wonder what it all means. I'm 67% Mutant. Apparently 1% of the people who've taken the test are just as mutated as me. :P But while I scored higher than most, it's just not enough to be an actual mutant, so I'm only a latent. eep!

More on Milo's Return / Team Atlantis -- well the actual animation is adequete. It would have been good enough for a tv series, but it wasn't rave about quality. The plus was that the story was more on the adult side, with a nice creepy factor.

Matrix 2 -- I saw it twice, and I may see it again. I liked it. There is a lot of story material here that I enjoyed searching through for possibilities. I'm pretty sure the dessert program was put in to show how programs can be slipped into people. Besides giving Persephone a reason to give our heroes some help, I'm thinking the dessert was a clue, and that Persephone's lipstick was also a program that was slipped to Neo. I'm pretty sure Persephone is the "she" the Architect was talking about, and I'm really interested in seeing the conclusion to see where it all ends up.

phrases I ponder over...

"Make me believe I'm her." and "I envy you. But such things were not meant to last" -- and I wonder what happened to the last six "One"s from the previous Matrix. Guess that means this is really Matrix 7.0 ... If we are to take anything the Architect says as truth. There is always the possiblity he's lying.

Poor Morpheus... That look on his face is like when a child realizes Santa isn't real.

The big debate between me and my equally Matrix geeky friends...

Is the 'reality' in the Matrix movie just another layer of the Matrix. Is the Prophecy fulfilled and failed or not yet completed... because Neo never actually met the source (he picked door number two instead.

Also, if Smith can download into someone's body, can other programs do that too...? Hmmm.

mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Thursday, May 22, 2003 02:32:19 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Gside: <But Randy Newman immortalized the Cuyahoga.> REM too, on Lifes Rich Pageant. :)
Dezi
Thursday, May 22, 2003 01:08:31 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Ah, can't wait for the weekend. I get to go back to Illinois until Monday. (Actually, I have the coolest boss in the world since I initially only asked for up til Sunday off and he encouraged me to take Monday too. :) ). While there, I get to see my newest baby sister for the first time. She's five months old and my step mom brought my sisters to Illinois to see my dad's family for a month while my dad's in Iraq.

Speaking of which, I'm happy to report that I'm getting many emails from my dad and he is currently doing fine. Many happy faces now: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

I've started summer courses and am taking Ancient History as a 3 week spring term class, and World History since 1700 and World Lit as summer session 1 classes.
I can't stand my World Lit teacher. Incredibly ethnocentric in her reviews of the works she makes us read. She also is one of those teachers where there is no right or wrong out of the students (even when dealing with question of fact- NOT opinion. Opinions are all wrong when dealing with world matters but not literature matters. -Very frustrating). But when it comes down to it, when dealing with the stuff she is SUPPOSED to be teaching us, it's like she's too scared of correcting us. "There is no right or wrong, only _inappropriate_." <-She actually said that! *smacks forehead and is relieved this is only a 7 week class*

Yesterday I gave my Dottie dog a bath and now she is fluffy and soft. Tonite I trimmed her claws and painted them light blue. :)

Oh yeah, and last nite we (Brandon and I) went to a bar where a friend of his is a Tuesday nite karaoke DJ. I overcame shyness and sang It's The End of the World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine ) [Further known as ITEOTWAWKI as the other way takes to long to type]. I have all the words memorized and so I impressed them all by not looking at the screen. Wheeee! I did good too. :)

**********SPOILERS, I GUESS**************
I have to say I agree with Josh on the Matrix 2. Brandon and I went to see it on last Wednesday at one of the late nite showings. We both left quickly at the end. It was horrible. It was like they (the makers) had set up so much hype for themselves (well, they made a good movie that made a lot of hype for the second) and they in no way lived up to that hype. It was like when a really great band has a hit first album and then they gotta figure out how to top that. Except this time, they didn't top it. It seems like they thought 'Wow, well this this and this were some of the cool things that everyone still talks about from the first one, lets times all those by two and then we'll have a cool movie. Oh yeah, and add sex and humor. One liners!' Riiiight. :p And as for the third one, its like a slow death. They are now just dragging it out to pour salt in the wound. I actually had a friend try to tell me it was such great movie BECAUSE it made so much opening money. Puh. That's just because of the anticipation. Curiousity. That doesn't measure a good movie, especially if half the people leave the theater feeling like they wasted 8$ they could have spent on Finding Nemo.
********OK, END MY SPOILERS********************

Replies:

Mooncat: So it really was good? Definetly gonna check it out now. I wanted to but was a little unsure about the quality of animation. It seems to me that Disney sequels are infamous for sub-quality animation. But according to you the plot is good, so will give it a go. Thanks!
Congrates on the kitties. :)

Green Baron: <<<Here is some basic info that I learned about Korea. Hot Summers, Cold winters, 0300 alerts at least once a month, a few nice temples, and great shopping.>> Plus I imagine no one will love me for too long if I only offer $15.00 :) > Be careful of food with a red sauce on it. It makes my mouth burn whenever my step mom makes that stuff and she even tones it down because she says Americans have a taste for bland. In other words, I now avoid red-sauced stuff.
<the Army's best kept secret for single folks anyway. > Hey, my dad + my step mom = my two little sisters! :)

Josh: Name it Stewart. :) Congrats on graduating!

Oraidhe:<And that was for Animorphs> Cool! I wasn't the only one who read those books! :) Didn't know people made fan fiction for the things. *shurgs* My friend Brooke and I did convince the little sister (she was an sophomore at the time) that her older sister (another friend of ours) was really a yerk and that Brooke's little brother (same grade as the sister) was Visser 8. He was very convincing I guess. I think we further pulled it off when we took her through the drive through at Mc Donald's and asked for a Happy Meal with 'extra happy'. (McDonald's worker response: So you want an extra toy with that?) Any way, she was so freaked out that she avoided her sister like a plague for about 2 weeks. :)

Gunjack: Ok no harsh words, just a correction, since I just sat through a lecture on this: The Persians still won Thermopylae. The Spartans had a couple of other "Thermopylaes" planned further down the road, all to try to slow the Persians down. The Persians went on to toast Athens while the Athenians ran away to hide on a nearby island. Then the Athenians took out the Persian supply ships and only the beat the Persians. There, I have now made my teacher proud. *shrugs*

Bud-Clare: <That still doesn't explain why "World" History often lacks the "world." If they want to teach History of Western Civilization or something, then they should call it that. World History should, if not study the history of other cultures, then at least it should study the interactions between the west and other areas.> I agree. That Ancient History class I'm taking, I initially was told it would cover all the peoples you don't really hear about. Heh. We started with the standard Sumerians and are now progressing through Rome. *Yawn*
I also find it funny that all the US History class I've taken start out with the usual stuff, but we never get anywhere near Viet Nam. Only up to WWII and that's it. Not even Korea. Any thing I know about that stuff, I learned on my own or from TV. :p Stupid public school.
<Sorry, I got something caught in my thoat> And it translated to the keyboard so well. :)

DPH:<My dad was indifferent to the deaths of those kittens.> Poor DPH. Poor kitties. :(

Niamhgold: Hee hee, I scored a 54% on that quiz. Should I be ashamed?

Ok nite nite then.
Dezi
Thursday, May 22, 2003 01:06:42 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

I have my key. And I learned the not so secret secret handshake.
Oh, and I found the pictures of the TBP initiation: http://www.engr.rutgers.edu/tbp/images/springinitiation2003/spring03.html Remember, I'm big and hairy.

Gunjack> <<I'm now physically incapable of writing a post without false-posting at least once>>: You've been away too long. Stay away from the flamable material so you don't get annoyed.
<<so it seems reasonable to assume that he isn't supposed to be immune to kinetic energy>>: Right, but how about localized kinetic energy?
<<Have you ever seen Asterix the Gaul?>>: I can probably pick Asterix and Obelix out of a lineup, I know there's something about a special soup, but I've never read any full stories.
<<The Beatles is Hippie music>>: It's good music. And a good bit of it came before hippies.
<<Great Big Sea is country folk>>: Folk is hippie music. There are many who never forgave Dylan for going electric.
<<Out of curiousity, ever "Harry's Game", by Clannad?>>: Nope, but picking it up now.
<<Your voice is your password>>: ...passport, verify me. And I was just pairing mythological Japanese blades.
<<initiates wilekian secret handshake>>: Anything like the PBK handshake, or more violent?
<<The next dream involved getting stuck in a woman's body>>: And you didn't have time for a test drive, hence this being a nightmare?
<>: Look at it this way, eventually people will stop caring about those victors in favor of the current ones, and double check things.
<<from Marathon>>: Frog blast the vent core.

Budclare> <<Proving conclusively that school suck>>: Was that about Rutgers in particular or just school in general?
<<My old school had an actual Women's History course>>: I didin't say we don't have one, just that the topic isn't in the mission statement of the Wonmen's Studies major.
<<Is that a legitimate use of the word "oscillation"?>>: Webster: "to move or travel back and forth between two points". The sine wave doesn't show up until you look at a time graph.

Imzadi> <<Any idiot can chug milk>>: But can they chug my milk?
<<Yeah, but you have to use ugly-ass Mozilla>>: It doesn't offend my sensibilities, but then, that's hard to do.
<<Then you'll just have to not be one of my troops>>: I never really was cut out for service.
<<One hand at a time>>: I'm limited to hands?
<<Is it oscillating if the motion is linear and not sinusoidal?>>: See above. Heck, AC current oscilates, and it does nothing in any physical dimension.
<<The names I've used in the past are all submarine nicknames>>: So look through a list of submarine class names.

Todd> <<It's turning into the town equivalent of New Jersey>>: I can't name any body of water that caught fire in Jersey. But Randy Newman immortalized the Cuyahoga.

Green Baron> <<The Howard Stern thing was a joke, because he has mentioned he has a thing for lesbian>>: But the answer was still in the wrong form relative to the question.

Bud Clare> <<Urda (the Past), Verdandi (the Present), and Skuld (the Future)>>: With alternate spellings of Urd and Belldandy (and Skuld).
<<Fans kinda just rotate, though, so maybe>>: I believe oscilating fans refer to the back and forth turning of the direction of air flow. Hance, why a box fan isn't an oscilating fan.
<<is Cleveland _really_ that boring?>>: It takes a lot of work to set a river on fire.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:56:17 AM
IP: 198.151.130.247

Imzadi: What color is the car? If it was red, there's always Red October or Crimson Tide!
Or call it Alpha
Or Stethem
Cheyenne
Trident
Ping
Torpedo

Here are some more names I found online:
Eagle 56 Hunley S-51 Trafalgar Dolphin Tireless Greeneville Ray Bonefish Kambala Drakon Forel Minoga Sheremetev Rabochiy Poseidon Thetis Bass Lancefish Orphee Sceptre Cochino Trruculent Affray Sibylle Sidon Pomodon Stickleback Sargo Thresher Grayback Leviathan Dakar Minerve Scorpion Chopper Eurydice Calatree Alliance La Sirene Rubis Yankee Komsomolets

You know... there is a limit of the number of sub names you can use without using the names of actual subs.
Fire Storm
Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:45:02 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Niamhgold>

It's for the Gathering. I don't think I would be looking for roomates for my apartment in the CR ;P lol.
Gabriel
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:56:24 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Todd: <Buffy, Cleveland>
Actually, throughout the series they keep mentioning a hellmouth in Cleveland (I think I can remember at least two times it was mentioned)
FIre Storm
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 09:01:29 PM
IP: 66.72.180.95

Team Atlantis - aka Atlantis, Milo's Return

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pretty kick ass, if you consider these were supposed to be the remains of a TV series that got canceled before it could premiere. Like Gargoyles, a bit more adult than your usual American cartoon fare. I wish they'd kept the Kracken Baby scene intact, because I was expecting it from the meaningful way Inga was speaking and her spooky face.

If we take the Team Atlantis series as being the same universe as Gargoyles, the end is kind of a problem. I think in Gargoyles people would have noticed that Atlantis had risen from the sea, and that would have altered things just too much. Perhaps this was this something that was added to "cap" the direct to video splicing of the three eps?

Odin's voice... very like Odin in Gargoyles, was that the same actor? Lots of plot questions on this last bit of the video. Before Eric gets the spear, how did he glom onto the wolf and the ravens? hmmm...

The wind spirit, could very well be a Child of Oberon, if not Coyote himself. Nicely done ep with loads of spooky. Loved it. Nice action adventure piece.

Moliere (sp?) -- loved him! Raised by naked mole rats... explains so much! Also explains my great fondness for Rufus. Wonder if we could tie this to the Kim Possible universe, cuz that would be nifty.

Loved his line "You see? You cannot live without me." -- for a lecher with disreputable habits, there is something quite charming about Moliere and he stole the show many times.

The lava dog... urm... well... establishes a precedence for six limbed creatures with an affinity for rocks... not wings but could be tied to Gargoyles somehow, in a distant kind of way.

As a whole, really liked the whole piece, which had a lot more punch than the rest of the direct to video stuff from Disney. This would have made and excellent tv series and I'm now really bummed to know it was so good and that there aren't going to be more episodes. Whoever pulled the plug on the project is such a lame jerk. This would have been very popular. I'm wanting to see more already.

Kay, gotta go exercise, then eat another buffalo burger. I picked up a pound of buffalo meat at the market early this week and made burgers today. Not bad, but its a give regular beef/cow tastes better. But I wanted to try something a little different this week, and I had hamburger buns needing to be used up.

Kitten report. Checked, and it's two boys and two girls... so sweet!!!! Black spots, pale cream backgrounds, can't tell if they will rosette or not. So plump! So fuzzy! Little faces with eyes closed and baby kitty ears still curled close to their heads.... *mooncat od's on kitten cuteness* waugggh!!!! I'll try to get pics later

Mowed the lawn today... the back yard was a jungle, but now with tasteful geometric patterns mowed into it so I can walk around without having to wade through the green. Was feeling fanciful, left swatches unmowed so the cats can play in "high grass" Front lawn mowed extra short, and reseeded. whee!!!

later
MC

Mooncat
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 08:41:49 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Hey. Don't really know anyone here. I'm new. Im a HUGE buffy fan. Just got a few spoilers. saw the last episode.. VERY DISSAPOINTING!!! I mean, every potetail slayer is now a slayer? THats stoopid. Dont worry bout Spike though!! He's coming back!! He's joining the cast of Angel next season. I am VERY happy bout that. 'Specially cuz he's the hottest thang ever!! Lol. I think that Wolfram and Hart(Sp?) are going to ressurect Spike, I mean, they did it to Darla. Well. Gunna go now. If any1 has AIM or AOL or w/e than please IM me at SlayerChick17 . THanx!!! Long LIve My Spike!! Mwuah!!
Sydney - [sydkid188@cs.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, United States
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 07:46:18 PM
IP: 68.100.171.34

Gabriel: Are you talking about roommates for your hometown area, or for a hotel room at the gathering?
Niamhgold
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 07:20:09 PM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Josh:<<The names I've used in the past are all submarine nicknames: Boomer (jeep), Typhoon (mac), Seawolf (ibook).>> Call it... "Kirsk" ;-) (If it's what I think it is)
Leo
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 07:05:31 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

I got bored and tried to find some more names for Josh (which sounds funny), and I stumbled across something which makes me deeply ashamed...

The names of the Norns are Urda (the Past), Verdandi (the Present), and Skuld (the Future)... it's obviously been _way_ too long since I've read anything about Norse mythology. I'm a failure as a book geek. :P

But now it is summer vacation, and I can cultivate my poor, neglected geekiness. (I just hope I can find a job, too.)
************

Josh> <<Believe it or not, Freud even said those things about Leonardo Da Vinci, which made me instantly lose respect for anyone studying psychology.>>
Not all psychologists are Freudians, dumbass. (Three hours of sleep. Sue me.)

<>
No, it was vitally important that that model show be on afterwards. *rolls eyes*

<<Well now Fred is a slayer.>>
*blinks* Damn... Hadn't even thought of that. Still, we don't know exactly what the, er, parameters of the spell were. For one thing, weren't all the ones they showed getting their powers kind of on the young side? Maybe she's too old, at the very least. I doubt that there are really _that_ many Slayers, and if she was that good of a candidate, the Bringers would have tried to kill her. I think that probably just the pre-pre-slayers got powers (in addition to the pre-slayers, obviously), and the post-pre-Slayers got screwed yet again, as did the non-pre-Slayers. I enjoyed that sentence. Will translate for the faint of heart: A whole bunch of girls theoretically had a chance to become the Slayer, but they only actually had a shot while they were in a certain age bracket (teenagers). It looked like the ones who would normally have been too young got powers, but they didn't show the ones who were too old, from what I remember. Would have been interesting to see some old women throwing aside their walkers. ;)

<<Try slowing down a bit.>>
Are you making the rude implications that I refrained, out of politeness, from making?

<<But written discourse should be more thought-out, less flamey.>>
At least after you've gone back and edited out the unjustifiably rude bits. ;)

<<Boomer is my last car's name.>>
No wonder you haven't liked any of our suggestions... You have terrible taste.

<<Awww. Kittens rock.>>
Because they're too short to get up on the counter...

<<Maybe he's been sucked into the amulet, or sent to a matching amulet, or something weird like that. I'm sure they'll come up with something silly.>>
He definitely turned to dust, though; They showed it. So, they're going to have to try something _really_ fancy, and possibily insane. (My current theory is that it won't actually be Spike on Angel (that sounded scary...), it'll be the First ticking Angel off in Spike form. ;)

<<But that's why people watch TV. Because it isn't real life.>>
Sometimes you disturb me.

<<The third natural function of the female form.>>
That's not the definition of "shiny" that I was using... It was a general term to refer to any nifty toy that you want to spend your money on. Dvds, computer games... definitely more fun than cancer.

<<Is it oscillating if the motion is linear and not sinusoidal?>>
The definitions that I saw were kinda vague, since it can apparently be used in strange, non-sciency ways which I don't approve of. But even those definitions seemed to be stretching it a bit. Fans kinda just rotate, though, so maybe...

<<The names I've used in the past are all submarine nicknames: Boomer (jeep), Typhoon (mac), Seawolf (ibook).>>
*L* You need to get out more...

<<If I could come up with something I liked, I wouldn't have solicited the comment room.>>
*blinks* Let's try that again. Why don't you name it "Josh"?

<<And this is why I didn't mention what the toy was and just asked for names.>>
It had nothing to do with the car.

<<How about "how dare they restrict where I can park after I pay gas taxes, road taxes, and property taxes. Those are MY roads.">>
And everyone else's, and parking all willy-nilly is not an effective method of sharing jointly-owned resources.

<< <<Study for sleep?>>: You never know when it might sneak up on you!>>
I must have studied too hard. I gave myself performance anxiety. *sighs*
***************
Todd> <<Why is it that people keep on insulting Cleveland, anyway? >>
I don't think that it was an insult (in this case). I think it was supposed to be funny in its innocuousness. (Is that a word? Is it spelled right? Need sleep, dammit.) Or maybe they were calling it boring, which is what everyone thinks of it. So the question becomes, is Cleveland _really_ that boring?
*****************
Thomas> <<I'll let you know when I venture into Japan and you can send a list (but not too much stuff) of anything you may want me to get for you.>>
Just a windchime, please... :)

<<and that whole story from your mention of buttercup>>
Give in to the tangents... ;)

<<which my mother jokingly said have warmer hearts than I do>>
She wasn't joking. She's evil.

<<That also sounds mildly disgusting.>>
That's why I threw it out. ;)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 06:20:05 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

well.. id come live with you if you didnt.. you know.. live in tey-has.

hmm.. *ponders*
lain
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 06:03:23 PM
IP: 65.93.76.100

So here's the deal. I had three roomates for a three person bedroom. As of two hours ago, I have none. NONE. If you are still looking for a roomate, please e-mail me. thanks.
Gabriel - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 04:54:57 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Greetings to all this warm, decent day.

Gabriel> That must have been quite a sight. I guess Plato was just saying, "Iguana get to know you better." :D

Mooncat> <> That's good. I know movies stray from the comics or books, but I'm glad to know I'm in the ballpark.

Movies> I saw Gods and Generals (well, I had to call in after 3:45 hours, but I got right up to after Stonewall getting shot.

SPOILERS

This movie was just wonderful. I love history and the Civil War holds a certain interest for me, because of my background (like who I'm named after) and a recent boost in interest thanks to Harry Turtledove.

Duvall is also one of my favorite actors, along with Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro, Christopher Walken, Charleton Heston, and Clint Eastwood (I own the Dirty Harry DVD series, which I imagine Gunjack would like to watch and subject Lain to).

This was epic in its size and scope of the Civil War showing conflict that faced many who were divided by love of state and of country, as well as some very sad scenes like seeing the Irish forces on both sides have to fight each other.

Chamberlain's view about the war's purpose expanding was excellent, and of course the music is reason enough to buy the DVD when it comes out. I did however find it a bit amusing how those guys in Maine talked. I have a friend form there and her accent is always amusing when she says a word that has an r in it :)

END SPOILERS

Silvadel> I agree with you on the NYT and Andrew Sullivan practically rips Howell Raines a new one on his blog daily.

My mother never quite bought into the bias in the NYT thinking of it as a sophisticated newspaper, though her oldest brother (in another discussion) was quick to point out its liberal bias. To its credit they have William Safire, but then Paul Krugman cancels him out and there are plenty others.

So what do you prefer (of course with the internet, the old media are of little use)?

<<Nasty nightmare and what is oddest about it is I have NEVER had a dream like that one.>> I've had my share of odd dreams, but I can't quite say I had one like that. I remember a really bad dream about some class I kept missing and it was cutting close to the Withdrawal date, but I kept missing to do that. I was relieved when I woke up.

Gside> The Howard Stern thing was a joke, because he has mentioned he has a thing for lesbians.

Bud-Clare> <<Ooo...>>

I'll let you know when I venture into Japan and you can send a list (but not too much stuff) of anything you may want me to get for you.

<<That was before everyone had a car...>> Well, alchohol is legal and much less dangerous than most soft drugs like pot.

<<DISCO?!?>>
I'll admit not great art, but I happen to like Disco and in the very least, it's better than Country music, plus I like a fair amount of 70s themes (though the furniture was just plain tacky).

<<Nah, he made sure that he was a safe distance away at the time.>> What a coward. He deserves a beating for that.

<<Oh, there's a good name for you. Buttercup! *runs away snickering*>>

I alwasy liked Nerfle, myself :) That reminds me, I wonder where Hyperion is. I hope he returns.

As for Buttercup, there was this amusing duo at my HS, Joe Briand and Mike Gianelloni (also answered to Gia-Baloney and Gianelloni on rye). For this comedy routine, they sang the duet "My little buttercup", with Joe in a tacky red dress, and they continued this routine judging a talent show and at the Prom. Myab eit's scary that these guys were President and VP of the National Honors Society, though my HS Salutatorian was the classic dumb jock (except he had high grades and was a math genius, even when playfully beating up the co-Valedictorian in Calculus class while the other co-Valedictorian and I watched and laughed).

And then the buttercup duo roomed together in College and had wacky answering machine messages including one about them being in Heaven's Gate and having entered the next level....and that whole story from your mention of buttercup :)

Jaden> <<Here is some basic info that I learned about Korea. Hot Summers, Cold winters, 0300 alerts at least once a month, a few nice temples, and great shopping.>> Plus I imagine no one will love me for too long if I only offer $15.00 :)

I will endure one winter and half of another. I don't know where I'll go yet, but I've been informed by many fellow soliders about it being the Army's best kept secret for single folks anyway.

Imzadi> <<Long time no see.>> Those are the breaks.

<<Good thing Apple is sending me away from the bay area to taiwan, then ;-)>> Seriously? That should be an experience, unless your yanking my chain.

<<Lain will be.>> That I can see :)

<<Why? You won't be getting them.>> Well, I wouldn't want her having anything like that, just out of general principle, and it's not liekly fo rus to have wild Newfie sex, as it would be the first time I meet her, but who knows? I'll just come prepared so no baronets pop up in a year or so.

<<Most cats are that way.>> Surprisingly, Attila and George were pretty good and even with their claws caused minimal damage, except to themselves and various small animals they killed, though the animals retaliated giving George tons of bald spots.

<<And smells better than cigarettes.>> Well, I can't find much that smells worse than cigarettes, excpet maybe Michael Moore :)

<<Better curves. Lower overall cost.>> True. Concubines can run up some high maintenance expences :)

<<Welcome to the club.>> Thanks. BTW, I've been reading a book by a Professor from Berkely, a Dr. John McWhorter. Of course, I imagine Berkely has tons of big-name Professors, but this guy is brilliant and he strikes me as a prof who is really personable (where I always hear of professors just publishing and having TAs do the classes for them) with the students. I imagine you've had a share of both types of Professors, the ones who are very personable and the ones who have TAs teach for them.

Lain> Let me if I can be of help in any way, financially. I can't do anything magnanimous (like offer a thousand dollars a month grant), but if I can be fo help, just let me know.

<<and find a new job BEFORE said move. yay!>> Good for you. Is Gunjack working, too?

Gunjack> <<In my opinion, the whole idea of indoctrinating students with racial or gender-based propaganda is VERY SCARY, and the fact that no one cares as long as you only indoctrinate the "right" perspectives is EVEN SCARIER.>>

I agree and I'm glad I didn't have that kind of experience in College, though I took a Contemporray Morals class and the Professor was quite liberal, but he was also liberal about other ideas, plus I made him laugh, so I got an A.

I did have one Professor who was more opinionated and a bit of a jerk about it, though we got along pretty well, but at a later class, there was one kid whow as a Nader supporter and after Election Day he just ripped into this kid for costing Gore the election and if the small votes was worth it...maybe it's just me, but that was really unprofessional.

<<I've spent the last half-year with Lain and hip-deep in cats, so all my metaphors are feline. Honestly, I hadn't thought of it that way. 8 P>> Normally I'd find being hip deep in cats endearing, but after the tales by Bud and my mother, I am rething it, though I will still get a kitten, I think I will wait a bit and my first post-army pet will be a reptile (which my mother jokingly said have warmer hearts than I do).

Silverbolt> Political Correctness is a plague on our world, as George Galloway is a plague on Scotland and all of the UK. Even with the rogue's gallery of scum in our Capitol, I send condolences that your beloved country has such jackdaws in Office.

Bud-Clare <<I'm feeling better now. These cats just try to bite me now and then... (Or drool on me. Eew.)>> Attila woudl do that when he was happy and he used to bite me all the time, especially when he was a kitten. One time he bit my mother to be cute and George attacked him.

<<No, you didn't. If you know so damned much about wars, you ought to be able to name at least a few non-white wars and slaughters and such.>> When you consider Mongols and Arab activities in Africa, it shouldn't be too hard to think up some, but sadly I can't think of any specific names, so I'm just as guilty :(

Imzadi> <> Anarchy would be temporary. Eventually warlords would pop up establishing their law and the warlords would have some pact or they'd all fight until one was left standing.

Siryn> I don't know if you heard, but my nxt assignment is Korea. I'll let you know where. Maybe I'll be in Seoul.

DPH> That is truly sad. Those poor kittens.

Niamhgold> << Amen! <You must include Warpmind for a Viking raid> He's got the armor, that's for sure. <I've been compared to Nightcrawler> Hmm, what a coincidence. Me too ;)>> Uh, that was me, not Gunjack.

<<It seems like I'll be taking the bus to NYC because Amtrak can kiss my *$$...way too expensive. I haven't decided if I'm getting a hotel room for Friday or Saturday, but the offer to split it with a (decent) roommate still stands ;)>> I like Amtrack but they are expensive. Besides, Greyhound isn't too bad. When I visit Karen, I'll be taking a Newfie bus from St. John's to Corner Brook....so my first experience of Canada will be Newfoundland...interesting.

Jackal> I thought Spike was coming to Angel. I wish I knew when it was on in Kosovo.

DPH> <<It gets worse. My dad was indifferent to the deaths of those kittens. Just more proof of his stinginess.>> I'm thrifty, but I am capable of generosity. Your dad and Lain's dad oughtta have a contest about who the biggest jerk is. They can call it the Great North American Jerk-Off Contest :)

Gunjack> <<The Aztec (I think, I can't keep them and the Inca straight)>> Aztec=Mexico, Inca=Peru...Aztec-Cortes, Inca-Pisaro.

<<Still, I doubt any civilisation before 1,000 AD could match the destruction of the Crusades, and certianly no one has matched the destruction of our wars since then. Why? First, for nearly the last 1,000 years, the west has been ahead of the rest of the world in technology, and specifically in weaponry. And second, the west has lots of people, a long history of centralized political power.>> Well, our edge was a slight luck of the draw. If the Battle of Tours had gone differently, we'd be speaking Arabic. Of course, it's amazing we weren't conquered by the Mongols as the Crusaders had to team up with the Malamuks to beat them,a nd I wonder if that was a good thing. Mongols were ruthless, but inclusive (they accepted pagans, Chirstians, Buddhists, and Muslims in their Horde, and if they had ventured further, there would be Jewish Mongols too). Then again, if Attila's progressive vision was shared by his sons and underlings, the Huns would have replaced the Romans as the great Empire and the Dark Ages may not have been so dark, plus the Huns were more inclusive of different races and religions than Europe at that time.

As for non-white wars, the Moorish Conquest of Spain is one example, and the Tunisian conquest of Sicily in the 9th century, where Sicily went from being Europe's breadbasket to an impoversihed barren land. Perhaps the Tunisian Conquest laid the groundwork for the Mafia (well that and Sicily has been conquered numerous times).

<<The next dream involved getting stuck in a woman's body, being mistaken(?) for a man, and ending up in the US military, in Canada, in a video game. My subconscious is trying to kill me.>> What do you eat an hour before you go to bed?

Mooncat> <<Today one of my queen cats--- my most gorgeous one with clear contrast and glitter and rosettes to die for--- has delivered four beautiful leopard spotted babies *^_^* ooohhhhh ...!!!! beautiful beautiful babies!!!! And she is being such a good mommy cat!!! babies, babies, babies!!!! Strong babies with good apetites and so fluffy for new borns!>> Wonderful news. Pictures would be great. I bet they're so cute.

Bud-Clare> <<coughChristianitycough... Sorry, I got something caught in my thoat. ;)>> I wonder hwo different Europe would be if the Arabs won the Battle of Tours and continued conquering....France and Spain would be under Moorish occupation, and so would Italy (starting at Sicily which was for a time, an Emirate). Then there are thousands of possibilities....like Europe being conquered by the Mongols, one of my favorite groups.

<<If they want to teach History of Western Civilization or something, then they should call it that.>> They do at Loyola, so how about two points for honesty :)

<<Just never try actually _mixing_ the two (chocolate syrup and pb). The PB gets really weird, like playdoh or something. And it tastes funny.>> That also sounds mildly disgusting.

Imzadi> <<How about "how dare they restrict where I can park after I pay gas taxes, road taxes, and property taxes. Those are MY roads.">> Well, your taxes pay for them , too :)

<<"For hunting". My ass. >> They sound good for hunting Hizbollah :)

<<Especially with Berkeley banning Asians for the summer.>> That says something that Berkely would do that. Granted, I see the practical reasons, but it seems so un-Berkely.

No, I'm off...and Attila, you're being a naughty boy...keep it up ;)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 02:45:13 PM
IP: 136.216.75.6

::purrs in the laps of Mooncat, Niamhgold, and Silvadel, but not simultaenously::

Todd: Regarding Cleveland, I think the blame is to be laid at Dennis Kucinich, who bankrupted Cleveland in the late 70s, and now he is running for President. His slogan: Sure, I'll make the 30s look like a prosperous time, but I knew Shirley MacLaine in a past life. He is also backing the Creation of a Department of Peace. Of course, he has no shot unless the Democrats want to run a candidate who will lose bigger than George McGovern.
ghost of Reverend Attila
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:49:30 AM
IP: 136.216.75.6

* BUFFY SPOILERS *

I'm afraid that I missed most of it, but I caught one or two little bits (such as Giles playing Dungeons & Dragons with Xander and Andrew - now there's something that I never thought I'd see). So Sunnydale is no more now? Just a big hole in the ground? Well, that definitely ends the series (as if the Watcher's Council getting blown up and all the "regular citizens" clearing out wasn't enough). :)

I also caught the mention of a Hellmouth in Cleveland. Now I know why Patrick's not much of a "Buffy" fan. :) Why is it that people keep on insulting Cleveland, anyway? It's turning into the town equivalent of New Jersey.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 09:11:30 AM
IP: 171.75.194.166

***** TGS CR INFO UPDATES *****

Here's a long awaited, and much needed, update. Unfortunately, since RL keeps me quite occupied (a full time job, hours worth of transportation to and from work, common daily tasks, repairing or cleaning our house, occasionally working on job related stuff at home, etc), I haven't acquired much time to devote to TGS CR Information. I work on the files when I can. I hope the long stretch of time between each update has not inconvenienced anyone.

ARCHIVE:

The 2003 Archive has been updated to include the weeks of March 29, 2003 through May 11, 2003 for a total of 6 newly added weeks. Please note that the week of 3/29 - 4/2 is incomplete. Please contact me if you have a complete file saved. (See the archive of missing and incomplete CR weeks for contact information.)

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2003/
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/missing.html

CR MEMBERS:

Two profiles have been revised, along with two new profiles added to the list for a total of 30 registered members! The statistics pages and calendars have been updated accordingly.

Revised Profiles: Revel and Spacebabie
New Profiles: Bud-Clare and Dezi

>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/profiles/
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/members/

Several typographical errors through the TGS CR Info section were corrected as well. (This will do for tonight since I should have been in bed hours ago. Good night everyone!)

***** END TGS CR INFO UPDATES *****
Lady Mystic
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 05:33:01 AM
IP: 66.72.180.95

Coincidentally, I spent a portion of my day in the dentist's chair as well. The good news is that the overpriced sonicare toothbrush actually does something. The bad news is that they still poked and prodded until my jaw was sore. Bastards.

I think Mengele came up with dentistry. Just look at those "tools".

Tonight I went to a Dodger game, something I haven't done in years. My new motto for that is: "Dodger Stadium. Come for the food, stay for the...food." Dodgers kicked the Rockies' butts, but I didn't recognize a single player on either side (which, my dad reminded me, is because I read the business page instead of the sports page).

***BUFFY SPOILERS***

Disappointing. And the ending totally blew. Hopefully Angel will suck less now.

Fear TROGDOR THE BURNINATOR!!!

***END BUFFY SPOILERS***

Silvadel: <<according to Freud EVERY DREAM means those things>>: I know, that's why I suggested that ;-) Believe it or not, Freud even said those things about Leonardo Da Vinci, which made me instantly lose respect for anyone studying psychology.

Fire Storm: <<only WOMEN thought those thoughts and had those dreams>>: No, only men. Women have the reverse.

DPH: <<cats>>: That sucks. I had losing cats.

Niamhgold: <<yelled at my old job about the whereabouts of my last paycheck>>: I hate having to do that.
<>: 45.
<<it makes *ahem* everyone happy>>: From personal experience?
<<not as bad as working for campus tech>>: That could be fun if you were a BOFH.
<<that may be a lack of experience with the vertical>>: Or the fact that vertical wouldn't do much.
<<Many people wish they had a ten foot pole>>: No, they just say that.
<<it could take precedent from a horse>>: They don't have poles longer than their legs.
<<Sandwiches?! It's supposed to be used on sandwiches?>>: That's what I do with the squeezable jelly. It seems logical.
<<...Sandwiches?>>: Uh, no.
<<A ten foot pole would certainly clean out the glazed section of a Dunkin Donuts>>: That is still sick.
<<nothing but a chugging milk contest>>: Weak. Any idiot can chug milk.
<<I'm not THAT skinny>>: You're skinnier than I am.
<<possibly a character from Anne Rice's stuff or something>>: Lestat. There's a wonderfully feminine name...no, wait...
<< Something tells me SARS would be more applicable to taiwan than San Fran>>: Especially with Berkeley banning Asians for the summer.
<>: As was I. 6 was cool and made the point. After that I got bored.
<<The only respectably subtle thing to me was the whole 314-seconds-roughly-five-minutes thing>>: I must have missed something. Other than pi, what's the significance?
<<My kind of...er...masturbation>>: I bet.

Lain: <<what was up with a ONE HOUR *SERIES FINALE*!>>: I think Joss just gave up.
<<like.. say.. kennedy?>>: And Andrew.
<<a;; the potentials can be slayers now?>>: I suppose so. Now we can have the anti-rapist squad!
<<or on Angel>>: Well now Fred is a slayer. That should make for some interesting Angel-age.

Gside: <<it doesn't annoy people too much because I don't often get to do it>>: Perhaps, but it still feels obnoxious.
<<names>>: Interesting, but probably not.
<<Mozilla requires less of a change in environment than Safari>>: Yeah, but you have to use ugly-ass Mozilla.
<<No prize? Not even a cookie?>>: Not this time.
<<But roast boar is tasty>>: Then you'll just have to not be one of my troops.
<<I'll see if I can whack some sense into him>>: One hand at a time.
<<you'd be surprised what some people put in sandwiches>>: Everything edible, and some things not.

Patrick: <<Until next time, take care of yourselves, and each other>>: Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggoneit, people like me!

Greg X: <>: All Good Things.
<>: It was pretty bad, yes. But it had some nice visuals to make up for the stupid plot.

Gunjack: <<I'm now physically incapable of writing a post without false-posting at least once>>: Try slowing down a bit.
<<minigun fire and a subway train both did him in before>>: They didn't do him in, they just moved him. The steel pipe does the same.
<<Has political correctness ever gone right?>>: No.
<<The next dream involved getting stuck in a woman's body, being mistaken(?) for a man, and ending up in the US military, in Canada, in a video game>>: Random...
<<no attempt was ever made to supply evidence>>: Nevermind then.
<<Sorry, but it pisses me off.>>: I'm sure it does. But written discourse should be more thought-out, less flamey.
<<Probably pretty energy efficient>>: Whatever you save in heating you'll lose in the cost of getting utilities/services out there.
<<buy and sell full-auto weapons and silencers>>: "For hunting". My ass.
<<yer the one that stuck me with "moochie">>: You said it first. Or Lain.
<<names>>: Nope. Behemoth is taken, Boomer is my last car's name. The others...just don't like them. Sorry ;-)
<<he did a pretty good job of conveying an extremely complex, high-speed, technical, and arrogant mind>>: Agreed. But on the other hand, Neo's part in the matter was still that of "starry-eyed stoner", making the dialog feel as if it were filmed in two separate parts (one for each actor).
<>: Actually it might have been closer to six, given the outstretched length of Neo's arms.
<<Okay, this is off the top of my head>>: Well its very impressive, in my less-than-humble opinion.

Mooncat: <<four beautiful leopard spotted babies>>: Awww. Kittens rock.
<<Spike is bound to turn up again>>: Maybe he's been sucked into the amulet, or sent to a matching amulet, or something weird like that. I'm sure they'll come up with something silly.

Bud-Clare: <<Real life doesn't get tied up in nifty little bows that give you all the closure that you'd like>>: But that's why people watch TV. Because it isn't real life.
<<Harmony: A vapid blonde vampire>>: And not a hot one. I knew there was a reason I didn't like that name.
<<you're also stopping the buying of shiny things>>: The third natural function of the female form.
<<Is that a legitimate use of the word "oscillation"?>>: Is it oscillating if the motion is linear and not sinusoidal?
<<find one yourself>>: I was hoping that someone would come up with something really cool.
<<You didn't even bother telling us some of the names you've used in the past>>: The names I've used in the past are all submarine nicknames: Boomer (jeep), Typhoon (mac), Seawolf (ibook).
<<we don't even know roughly what kind of names you like>>: If I knew that, I wouldn't have put out a bid for names.
<<why don't you name it Josh?>>: If I could come up with something I liked, I wouldn't have solicited the comment room.
<<would be approriate to your ego>>: Perhaps, but not appropriate to my lack of right-brain.
<<poor spoiled rich boy>>: And this is why I didn't mention what the toy was and just asked for names.
<<How dare they take your money away for parking somewhere you knew you weren't supposed to park>>: How about "how dare they restrict where I can park after I pay gas taxes, road taxes, and property taxes. Those are MY roads."
<>: Sounds like it might have been a priest.
<<Study for sleep?>>: You never know when it might sneak up on you!

Okay, its 230 in the morning. Time for sleep.

202. All crones with the ability to prophesy will be given free facelifts, permanents, manicures, and Donna Karan wardrobes. That should pretty well destroy their credibility.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 05:27:22 AM
IP: 67.118.128.163

*********Buffy spoilers (not really, though)***************

I liked it. I think it was a good way to end the series. Some things ended, but most things just changed... just like real life. I was fond of the characters who died, but real people don't die based on whether I or anyone else likes them. Real life doesn't get tied up in nifty little bows that give you all the closure that you'd like. Yes, maybe two hours would have been nice, but... tough. I liked it. :P

**********End spoilers*********************

Gside> <>
Proving conclusively that school sucks. :P
(My old school had an actual Women's History course. Not sure about my current school, and I don't feel like looking it up.)

<<Harmony: female name, and a synonym of accord (and probably a literary character or two with the name).>>
Harmony: A vapid blonde vampire. :P

<<Well, you are stopping the body completely from doing one of its two primary functions (survival of self, survival of species).>>
Plus, that stuff can't be cheap, so you're also stopping the buying of shiny things. ;)

<<Vertical would probably only be worth it if there's rotation instead of just straight oscilation.>>
Is that a legitimate use of the word "oscillation"? It sounds rather questionable to me.
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Josh> <<Sorry, didn't like any of those.>>
So find one yourself. (You didn't even bother telling us some of the names you've used in the past, so we don't even know roughly what kind of names you like.) Oh, why don't you name it Josh? That would be approriate to your ego. :P

<<No, its appropriate when they ticket me.>>
Oh, poor spoiled rich boy. How dare they take your money away for parking somewhere you knew you weren't supposed to park.
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DPH> I'm sorry about the kittens. Poor babies. :(
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Niamhgold> <<The best is the chocolate-pb combo. Talk about killing two birds with one stone, and it makes *ahem* everyone happy>>
Just never try actually _mixing_ the two (chocolate syrup and pb). The PB gets really weird, like playdoh or something. And it tastes funny.

<<Sadly, I am only 37% Mutant>>
54% It said I'm a wannabe. Am soooo special... ;)
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Greg> <<"Star Trek the Next Generation" - I forget the title, but that was good.>>
"All Good Things..."
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Gunjack> <<Still, I doubt any civilisation before 1,000 AD could match the destruction of the Crusades, and certianly no one has matched the destruction of our wars since then.>>
That still doesn't explain why "World" History often lacks the "world." If they want to teach History of Western Civilization or something, then they should call it that. World History should, if not study the history of other cultures, then at least it should study the interactions between the west and other areas. Not even _mentioning_ anyone else, but trying to pass it off as world history anyway, is... irritating.

<<Why? First, for nearly the last 1,000 years, the west has been ahead of the rest of the world in technology, and specifically in weaponry.>>
coughChristianitycough... Sorry, I got something caught in my thoat. ;)
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Mooncat> <<has delivered four beautiful leopard spotted babies>>
Ooo... Yay! :)
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Must study for final... And sleep... (Study for sleep? Eek.)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 02:58:37 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Is the mb going to change over this week? It's now Wednesday for most of us, and still no refresh.

Today one of my queen cats--- my most gorgeous one with clear contrast and glitter and rosettes to die for--- has delivered four beautiful leopard spotted babies *^_^* ooohhhhh ...!!!! beautiful beautiful babies!!!! And she is being such a good mommy cat!!! babies, babies, babies!!!! Strong babies with good apetites and so fluffy for new borns!

*so pleased, mooncat is dizzy with delight*

Buffy -- *blinks*

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hmmm... well Spike is bound to turn up again, or someone who looks like him, because his actor is signed for next season's Angel. Anya may or may not be dead, she is a demon after all. Buffy nailed her with a sword once and it had small effect. I'm just rather shocked that Buffy is actually still alive. Expecting her death, I'm rather disappointed there isn't a new Slayer who is "the one" instead of a multitude. Not that it wasn't bad for a temporary effect, but I am not too happy with it as a permenant deal.

Sunnydale... dang. Giant hole in the ground? I'm thinking cheap real estate and new town built on the remains of the old. A hell mouth is a hell mouth after all.

end spoilers

sleepy now. picked up the new Disney Atlantis dvd... debating watching it before crashing out.

>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 02:14:10 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Well, now for some kewl vampire news:

THEY ARE MAKING A NEW Vampire: The Mascarade GAME!!!!!!

Too bad it takes place in LA. I wonder when it takes place. Hell, at this time, LA is part of the Anarch Free State and is generally an unfriendly place.
I want more of Christof!
...
Na. Screw that.
SERENA! WHERE ARE YOU?!?
Fire Storm
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 01:59:29 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Apparently, I'm now physically incapable of writing a post without false-posting at least once. Gah.

Gside><<But as a program, does his head have to do the things a normal head does?>> I dunno... But minigun fire and a subway train both did him in before, so it seems reasonable to assume that he isn't supposed to be immune to kinetic energy...
<<Can I at least have boar every other day?>> Have you ever seen Asterix the Gaul?
<<And most of their catalog. See, leave the techno, listen to hippie music.>> Great Big Sea isn't hippie music. The Beatles is Hippie music. Jimmie Hendrix is hippie music. Great Big Sea is country folk, and it fits nicely between Dirty Vegas and Hans Zimmer in my playlist.
Out of curiousity, ever "Harry's Game", by Clannad?
<<Murasame.>> Your voice is your password. *initiates wilekian secret handshake*
<<Thought better of it?>> The sun came up, and I decided that maybe bed was a good idea.

Silverbolt><<It's just political correctness gone wrong>> Has political correctness ever gone right?

Lynati><<Lain: I know, but Blue isn't, and I like to exploit the oppurtunities to mention our need.>> Eeeexcellent. 8 )

Silvadel><<Actually had a nightmare last night...>> I had one of those last night... actually, several in a row. The first part involved watching Lain die from lung failure. That, incidentally, is a sucky way to start the morning. The next dream involved getting stuck in a woman's body, being mistaken(?) for a man, and ending up in the US military, in Canada, in a video game. My subconscious is trying to kill me.

Josh><<Not if its true. Do you have fossil records that say otherwise? Logically, it is impossible to prove a negative.>> If I remember correctly, no attempt was ever made to supply evidence; the attitude was "we don't really care if it happened or not, we're going to teach it because it makes us happy". Intellectual masterbation isn't just claiming things that aren't true, it's deciding what to believe based on what you like, rather than on reason. <<No, history is written by the victors.>> I guess I'm a bit of an idealist. 8 P
<<Don't say things like this. They make you seem intellectually arrogant and closed-minded.>> Sorry, but it pisses me off.
<> ...And worth every penny. Probably pretty energy efficient, and you get an automatic sun roof. Throw in a Class III Dealers Permit (the one that lets ya buy and sell full-auto weapons and silencers), and you have my dream.
<<Uh, no.>> Hey, yer the one that stuck me with "moochie"...
Oh, and yer looking for names, yes?
Ghengis
Hiroshima
Battlewagon
Boomer (from Marathon, but wasn't that the name of another of yer vehicles?)
Durandal (Also from Marathon, or the Sword of Roland, if ya wanna get classical)
Grendel
Juggernaut
Behemoth (pronounced BE heh Mot, I believe)
Sthenno - one of the Gorgons from greek myth
...Any help?

<<The dialog with the architect sucked...>> Actually, I kinda liked that part. I thought he did a pretty good job of conveying an extremely complex, high-speed, technical, and arrogant mind. <<But he's not just an agent any more. And I think the point is that being hit with a steel pole isn't sufficient to kill an agent.>> I wish they'd make up their minds about what is. If they can't hit each other with guns, and they can't hurt each other with fists, then they should quit screwing around and find something that WORKS. <<Oh, and that pole was clearly FIVE feet long ;-)>> I bow to the precision of your engineer's eye. <<They tried this stunt 60 years ago in Germany, didn't they?>> Yeah, a bit. 8 P

Gabe><<There's actually a very funny story.>> Mmm, herpesexuality. Do YOUR parents know about this? ; )

Bud Clare><<No, you didn't. If you know so damned much about wars, you ought to be able to name at least a few non-white wars and slaughters and such.>> Oh. Right. Okay, this is off the top of my head, so please, no harsh comments.

Okay, in Africa and North America, you never have much beyond tribal skirmishes; for serious warmaking, you need a concentrated population under centralized, powerful leadership. The Zulus tried under Shaka (I think), but that's about it. Egypt did pretty well for itself, but never really tried the "conquer the world" thing.
In the middle-east, you have the Assyrians, Babelonians, and eventually the Persians. Each expanded its empire through warfare, and then was knocked off and assimilated by the next. The first two, at least, had a reputation for brutality (I think it was the Assyrians who decorated their king's throneroom with depictions of captives being impaled en masse), but the persians were the ones who actually took a serious crack at world domination. They did pretty well until Thermopylae, where a massive (250,000+, I think) army under King Xerxes smashed itself apart on a force of 300 or so Spartan warriors.

In the East, I plead ignorance. I know there was a fair bit of warfare between the various kingdoms and empires, but not much more than that. The same for South America; The Aztec (I think, I can't keep them and the Inca straight) were pretty nasty, and tended toward the whole prisoner sacrifice thing. I can't name specific conflicts for them, but I'm not sure on the actual state of the records they left; I understand translation is a iron one.

Of the above, your best bet for matching Western warfare would be in the East; China in particular has the kind of civilisation that could really make a mess of a country or two.

Still, I doubt any civilisation before 1,000 AD could match the destruction of the Crusades, and certianly no one has matched the destruction of our wars since then. Why? First, for nearly the last 1,000 years, the west has been ahead of the rest of the world in technology, and specifically in weaponry. And second, the west has lots of people, a long history of centralized political power.

DPH - Sorry to hear about the kittens, Mano. 8 (

Okay, heading off now. Peace.
Gunjack "Needler Boi" Valentine
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 01:11:00 AM
IP: 65.93.76.100

Never watched much if "Voyager", but considering how bad the rest of the series was (what little I saw), I can believe it had the worst finale.

Now, what were some great series finales?

"Gargoyles"- "Hunter's Moon", with "The Journey" as a nice epilogue.
"Babylon 5" - "Sleeping in Light"
"Cowboy Bebop" - "The Real Folk Blues"
"Beast Wars" - "Nemesis"... just ignore "Beast Machines"
"Star Trek the Next Generation" - I forget the title, but that was good.

Those are the ones I can name off the top of my head.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:00:37 AM
IP: 216.179.3.35

JackaL > You mean like this?

"And now a final thought. For all their differences, vampires are people too. And if we try, maybe we'll learn that we don't have to keep killing each other, and we _can_ just get along. After all, isn't it better to share a steak than drive one through someone's heart? Until next time, take care of yourselves, and each other."

But then, I never was a big Buffy fan. And I still think "ST: Voyager" holds the title for the suckiest series finale that ever sucked.

And now to revive an old tradition...

38 days until The Gathering!
Patrick Toman
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:36:35 PM
IP: 65.43.166.196

It gets worse. My dad was indifferent to the deaths of those kittens. Just more proof of his stinginess.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:08:35 PM
IP: 204.94.193.15

��Spoilers for freakin Buffy��

I'm lost. I've been following this show since 1998, and now that it's over, I'm lost. Kudos for the death of Spike, I've been waiting for that for a long time! Wish it had an extra speical ending, but it was the normal cut to black roll credits thing. Season 5 had the best ending, they shoulda went with sumthing like that, or buffy giving "final thoughts" or sumthing.... I dunno, I'm gonna miss it though.
JackaL
Ga
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:44:58 PM
IP: 152.163.252.196

Tomorrow I get inducted into PBK, then Thursday I walk.

Gunjack> <<Gunjack "Needler Boi>>: Thought better of it?

Imzadi> <>: I find it's a good way to relax, and it doesn't annoy people too much because I don't often get to do it.
<<It's a silver, two-door Accord>>: Harmony: female name, and a synonym of accord (and probably a literary character or two with the name). Eris: goddess of discord, antonym of accord.
<<As does Safari>>: But Mozilla requires less of a change in environment than Safari.
<<Good job>>: No prize? Not even a cookie?
<<No>>: But roast boar is tasty.

Fire Storm> <>: No, they want to kill their mother and have sex with their father.

Niamhgold> <<I'll let you know if it's been breached>>: By anyone or is it more of a private thing?
<>: Congratulations. I tend to work with whole cuts of meat and bottles of wine (the alcohol to be cooked off).
<<Can you convince my little brother of that?>>: Next time I'm in New Hampshire, let me know where I can find him, and I'll see if I can whack some sense into him.
<<And causes severe depression, apparently>>: Well, you are stopping the body completely from doing one of its two primary functions (survival of self, survival of species).
<<The preference would be for horizontal, but that may be a lack of experience with the vertical>>: Vertical would probably only be worth it if there's rotation instead of just straight oscilation.
<<THANK YOU!>>: On a related note: www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=187
<<Many people wish they had a ten foot pole>>: Do you?
<<Congratulations! Dean's list?>>: Thank you. A few times, not sure if ultimately.
<<But you NEED a fedora>>: Yes, I do. But I'll probably hold off on that and most other purchases until I have an income.
<<Not yet proven>>: Everything causes cancer.
<<...Sandwiches?!?>>: Not everyone has a dog. And you'd be surprised what some people put in sandwiches.

Na zdorov'ya.

Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:40:02 PM
IP: 198.151.130.247

"Buffy" sucked ass, "24" kicked ass! 'Nuff said about season/series finale Tuesday
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:01:48 PM
IP: 216.179.3.35

********BUFFY LAST EP EVER SPOILERS/REVIEW*********

it SUCKED!!! how could they have possibly made it suck that bad? killing anya and spike? why couldnt they have killed someone who really deserved it like.. say.. kennedy? (egad i hate that character..) they have to go killing off the cool people :P
also.. what was up with a ONE HOUR *SERIES FINALE*!? i remember they days of two-hour SEASON finales, what the #(#*&^$? there was no climax.. it just kind-of.. ended. like any normal buffy episode. all the tension built up between spike and buffy for YEARS? poof, all gone. all those dangly bits left unresolved. they could have done SO much with it.. but they didnt, there were no surprises. why couldnt they have just let buffy die saving the world from glory? that was cool. but nooooo, she has to live for ever and ever and ever. it was just.. well.. its all been done. and it really didnt need to be barfed up again.
plus, they completely screwed over the buffyverse mythology. so.. a;; the potentials can be slayers now? whats up with THAT? its like a total grinding out of the "neat bits" that made the show so cool. how are they going to come up with a "challenging" new season for a spinoff (if they ever make one) or on Angel, for that matter? maybe this was intentional.. maybe joss decided that the buffyverse had run its course and he thought it was time for it to come to an end. maybe he wanted to make sure there would be no bastardization of his masterpiece.. so he went out of his way to destroy the idea that a spinoff would ACTUALLY be good.. or a big demony thing would come and reverse the spell.. which would be the cheapest thing EVER. its like making jack bauer into a president-killing terrorist dirty bomber. it sucks.

*********END OF RANT ABOUT BUFFY SERIES FINALE SUCKING**********
lain
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 09:31:26 PM
IP: 65.93.76.100

<Damn, that brings me back to the days when I had time to write fanfic. You people work REALLY hard on this series, and that's amazing.>

Write... fanfic... oh. Yeah. Geez, I've haven't written one of those in... four years? And that was for Animorphs. Good time ago. And I didn't have time to dedicate to the series, which made my grades markedly deteriorate that week. I just skipped sleep in favor of watching more episodes.
Oraidhe - [Moo]
, , , , ,
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 08:29:58 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

It was very nice and warm today, and I had to spend part of it in the dentist's chair. Blah. Otherwise, I washed my car and laid out in the sun and yelled at my old job about the whereabouts of my last paycheck ;)

It seems like I'll be taking the bus to NYC because Amtrak can kiss my *$$...way too expensive. I haven't decided if I'm getting a hotel room for Friday or Saturday, but the offer to split it with a (decent) roommate still stands ;)

BTW, take the "Mutant Personality Quiz" at TheSpark.com by clicking my name or going to http://test.thespark.com/mutanttest/ Sadly, I am only 37% Mutant ;)

Blue: <but I doubt that anyone would remember me since I'm kind of a wallflower even in cyberspace> I think I remember your name once or twice...welcome back!

Bud-Clare: <L* Ah. I was wondering what the point of that stuff was. Now I see.> Hehe. The best is the chocolate-pb combo. Talk about killing two birds with one stone, and it makes *ahem* everyone happy ;) <Gah! No, I used to work for campus safety> Definitely not as bad as working for campus tech ;) <

Gside: <Communities stagnate if they are too specialized, and are without any new material.> Very good point <Excellent, I must try harder, then> I'll let you know if it's been breached. <Though lately, I've been working in entrees> I made chili tonight, and it actually smelled, looked, and tasted like chili! <See, sometimes violence is the answer> Can you convince my little brother of that? He doesn't seem to understand that concept. <And it probably also delays menopause> And causes severe depression, apparently. That's a Good Thing^TM <Horizontal or vertical?> The preference would be for horizontal, but that may be a lack of experience with the vertical. <But I want to make money> THANK YOU! <You wish you had a ten foot pole> Many people wish they had a ten foot pole. <My GPA over all my college has been determined to be 3.585> Congratulations! Dean's list? <No fedora, though> But you NEED a fedora! a<Absolutely no ovulation. Probbably causes cancer> Not yet proven, but it does horrible things once you go off it--the longer you're on Depo, the less likely it is you'll be able to conceive. Plus, you need to take calcium supplements and extra goodies while on it.

Imzadi: <No, because then it'd be hard to walk> Perhaps it could take precedent from a horse...? Cute ;) <Nothing temporary about it> Speak for yourself! <Squeezable peanut butter is god's gift to sandwiches> Awww, crap. Sandwiches?! It's supposed to be used on sandwiches?!? <That's because you're cool.> Thank you <Been getting your dog to do your work for you?> ...Sandwiches?!? <Where there's a will...> A ten foot pole would certainly clean out the glazed section of a Dunkin Donuts ;) <They're sick> I agree. Who has time these days for mindtrips? <True. But I had to take off my shoes> LOL at least I didn't have to take off my bra! <The paintball video?> Yes. This year's "Dumbass Mica Boys 2003" was a bit of a disappointment; nothing but a chugging milk contest. But maybe that's because they took a look at their scar-welts and decided against shooting point-blank l;) <You should talk ;-)> I'm not THAT skinny ;) <I'm opening the floor for suggestions for cool names for a new toy> Perhaps a name associated with vampires, possibly a character from Anne Rice's stuff or something. <Fallen is a great album.> It's okay <Good thing Apple is sending me away from the bay area to taiwan, then ;-)> Something tells me SARS would be more applicable to taiwan than San Fran ;) <The fight scenes just started to get boring after the first few minutes, and I'm sorry to say they've officially killed the coolness of the camera effect pioneered by the first movie.> It's sad but true. Especially the scene with 100 Agent Smiths. I was actually yawning. <To quote my roommate: "it felt like a porn, except they substituted hardcore action for hardcore !@#$ing".> The rave/grinding stuff was also very boring. It may parallel the club scne in the first when Neo first met Trinity, but it was very long and drawn out. And Neo's "Matrix-vision" could have been better handled--Daredevil's 6th sense display was more effective. The only respectably subtle thing to me was the whole 314-seconds-roughly-five-minutes thing. <Well, you ARE an art student...> Hey hey! BS is only for artists who don't want to make money ;) Amen. <Oh, and that pole was clearly FIVE feet long ;-)> Still not ten.

Jaden: <It was like Hey, I was watching that.> Well, that's where REvolutions is supposed to come in.

Gunjack: <the Egyptians were winged telepaths that flew around Egypt and used the Pyramids to communicate with the stars> My kind of...er...masturbation. ;) Amen! <You must include Warpmind for a Viking raid> He's got the armor, that's for sure. <I've been compared to Nightcrawler> Hmm, what a coincidence. Me too ;)

Mooncat: < really enjoyed Dare Devil too. It didn't rock me to the core or anything, but it was a lot of fun and had great music (listening to Evenescence right now) and is fairly close the comic book rendition.> I agree; I liked that movie a whole lot more than I liked Spiderman. Maybe it's because a lot of it was shot at night, therefore the special effects with Daredevil were less apparent. Plus, it wasn't cheesy--I've always cringed with Aunt May's presence in Parker's life ;)

Oraidhe: <That doesn't excuse the fact that I speed-watched 12 episodes a day and tore through all the televised Gargoyles episodes in a week. That was just insanity> Damn, that brings me back to the days when I had time to write fanfic. You people work REALLY hard on this series, and that's amazing.

DPH: <Two of my kittens from one litter are dead and a 3rd one is missing, leaving only 1 kitten from that litter behind.. One died yesterday. One died today. Meanwhile, the mother of that litter of kittens is MIA. > Awww...my condolences! I hope you find the mother :(

Adios!
Niamhgold
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 07:53:50 PM
IP: 24.53.122.119

1998 eh -- That is 6 years ago. How about recent record like since the turn of the milleneum..... Back 1998 ways the board was just starting and of course it had growing pains.
silvadel
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 06:10:16 PM
IP: 24.225.133.97

silvadel: <Not yet -- and we are closing on a record>
The current record holder is the week ending 08-23-1998 at 17 days, 1 hour 52 minutes 50 seconds
(Server problems prevented the CR from wiping)
This weeks CR is currently at 08 days, 23 hours 53 minutes 18 seconds. 08 days, 01 hours 59 minutes 33 seconds more to beat the record!

Fire Storm and Lady Mystic - [<--- Current record holder]
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 04:00:29 PM
IP: 66.72.180.95

DPH:>That sucks. Sorry to hear that. :(
Leo
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 03:56:23 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Two of my kittens from one litter are dead and a 3rd one is missing, leaving only 1 kitten from that litter behind.. One died yesterday. One died today. Meanwhile, the mother of that litter of kittens is MIA.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 03:54:48 PM
IP: 204.94.193.42

DERN LOT BOYS!
FIre Storm
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 03:36:49 PM
IP: 66.72.180.95

silvadel: <according to Freud EVERY DREAM means those things>
I thought that according to Freud, only WOMEN thought those thoughts and had those dreams.
Anonymous
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 03:36:31 PM
IP: 66.72.180.95

Hey Gang!

There's still lots of time to enter the Gargoyle TV Parodies topic for MGC! I know a lot of people seemed interested in it! SO show us your pictures!! :D

MGC is open to any fans of all ages! So everyone is welcome to contribute!

Also congrats to Kanthara and Sara Berkley/KWS for winning Most artistic and Most creative for May's topic, Gargoyles in NYC!
Siryn - [<--MGC]
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:10:34 PM
IP: 66.66.97.209

Josh -- according to Freud EVERY DREAM means those things :)
silvadel
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:20:40 AM
IP: 24.225.133.97

Long day, starting bright and early at 730. Trip to the car dealership to have some oddities touched up on my car (how dare they sell me something in less than perfect condition!), then off with the mother unit for lunch. Massage, dinner, and finally Matrix 2.

***SPOILERS***

Here's what I have to say about Matrix 2: Eh. Didn't have the right balance of action to actual speaking/plot. The fight scenes just started to get boring after the first few minutes, and I'm sorry to say they've officially killed the coolness of the camera effect pioneered by the first movie. The dialog with the architect sucked, even after I filtered out all the technobabble (an art which non-sci-fi people don't seem to understand). The twist about the expansion of control was interesting, but presented poorly.

Fishburne is a really good actor, but frankly no one else in that movie impressed me.

To quote my roommate: "it felt like a porn, except they substituted hardcore action for hardcore !@#$ing".

***END SPOILERS***

Lain: <<it kind of gave me the impression of>>: I agree.
<<too much kung foo and wire work and not enough guns>>: Of course.
<<orgasm pie?>>: I have to learn how to make that.
<>: Unfortunately, most other people are stupid. They wouldn't figure it out.
<<ive been waiting for that freaking movie for what.. five years now?>>: You heard about this 5 years ago?
<<please try not to be toooo mean to my sexy>>: Oh, quiet.
<<then i have to put up with him>>: You're getting some. Quit yer bitchin.
<<ive now been officially ditched by my dad>>: One less thing to think about.told me my life is "bullshit">>: Well, you ARE an art student...
<<asking me to "communicate in a meaningful and honest manner">>: Tell him to go first, since he's supposedly the older and more mature individual.

Gunjack: <<are religions built around dancing naked>>: I think the point was that, reduced to poverty and fighting for our survival, we'd degenerate to orgies and anarchy. Which sounds about right to me.
<<whoever taught these people to shoot must be the same guy who trained the imperial stormtroopers and the Xanatos Corperate Gaurd>>: LOL.
<<HE ONE. He's swinging a FOUR FOOT STEEL POLE. Agent Smith should NOT BE GETTING UP after being hit IN THE HEAD WITH SAID POLE>>: But he's not just an agent any more. And I think the point is that being hit with a steel pole isn't sufficient to kill an agent. Oh, and that pole was clearly FIVE feet long ;-)
<<the fact that no one cares as long as you only indoctrinate the "right" perspectives is EVEN SCARIER>>: They tried this stunt 60 years ago in Germany, didn't they?
<<your crotch explodes in a little cloud of green gas every time you get off?>>: I could write that!

Bud Clare: <<You still haven't described the car>>: I don't want to brag, because that's annoying.
<<Just pick something, dammit.>>: Sorry, didn't like any of those.
<<at least give us a little more to go on>>: Fine. It's a silver, two-door Accord. With horsepower up the wazoo.
<<It's only appropriate if they take pride in the title>>: No, its appropriate when they ticket me.
<<Don't I feel special?>>: Getting a quote on my page is a rare honor.

Silvadel: <<kind of surprised a bunch of dream analyists didnt pounce on my earlier post>>: Sorry, wasn't paying attention. According to Freud, the dream means that you are gay, like little boys, and want to have sex with your mother.

Gside: <>: Good point.
<<Mozilla has a built in pop up stopper>>: As does Safari.
<<names>>: Nope.
<<From the Critic>>: Good job.
<<Can I at least have boar every other day?>>: No.

Off to dreamland.

201. All giant serpents acting as guardians in underground lakes will be fitted with sports goggles to prevent eye injuries.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 03:42:39 AM
IP: 67.117.15.171

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Gunjack "Needler Boi
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 02:27:23 AM
IP: 65.93.76.100

ok eventually I'll make a real post. In the mean time (since you all so crave my input) here is a funny link.
Dezi - [<- hee hee funny funny]
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 01:15:34 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Bud Clare> <<*shudders*>>: I never said it would be a study of how to make the sausage, perhaps just a look at the main ingrediants and salient aspects of the cultures.
<<It's not learning about themselves, it's learning about parts of history that they don't ordinarily teach in school>>: Let me look up the Rutgers course catalog: "Women’s studies concentrates on the implications of gender for women’s lives. The program strives to serve women of all races and classes, investigating differences as well as similarities among women." I don't see a mention of history. Nor do any of the required courses appear to be on the history of women, one includes the history of the field but not women in general.
<<But the asians who study asian history don't even live in asia>>: And I don't live in Europe.
<<I'm not wasting money just to dress funny>>: I do it anyway. Might as well bum some presents out of the relatives.
<<They have these new-fangled gadgets called "butter knives">>: Which must be washed.
<<But shorter>>: Only by 1'2".

Jaden> <<If some of these damn pop-ups don't stop the entire world will>>: Mozilla has a built in pop up stopper.

Imzadi> <<The kind with four tires and an engine>>: Legba, voodoo patron of crossroads. Pertonilla, saint of mountain travellers. Brigid or Euphrasia, saints of general travellers.
<<Silly>>: No, sad.
<<Okay, you're forgiven>>: Thank you.
<<Motivation alone doesn't accomplish much>>: But it says much about your attitude.
<<Probably a mathematician>>: Who wrote the algorithm. But It was probably someone from CS who translated it to the langauge they were using.
<<Except on the gloves>>: From the Critic.
<<will not be permitted to lie around drinking mead and eating roast boar>>: Can I at least have boar every other day?

Gunjack> <<Agent Smith should NOT BE GETTING UP after being hit IN THE HEAD WITH SAID POLE>>: But as a program, does his head have to do the things a normal head does?
<<Masamune>>: Murasame.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:30:58 AM
IP: 198.151.130.247

Not yet -- and we are closing on a record ;)

Also kind of surprised a bunch of dream analyists didnt pounce on my earlier post...
silvadel
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:18:50 AM
IP: 24.225.133.97

ummmm Was there ever a board wipe? It is nearly tuesday here. Just wondering.
Dezi
Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:16:41 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

D'oh! Wrong pic again.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 19, 2003 11:05:13 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Gunjack> <<Honestly, I hadn't thought of it that way.>>
*grumbles* All right... I guess I can let you live this time. :P

<<What is the purpose of filtering all information contained in a field through a race- or gender-based lense?>>
I didn't say anything about that, either, did I? Historians have specific areas that they study, and women's history or whatever is as valid a field as any (or, at least, could be).

<<Well, after you essentially called me an uneducated swine for disagreeing with you...>>
Uneducated swine? Why is it that I'm having trouble remembering this incident?

<<Um, I just did.>>
No, you didn't. If you know so damned much about wars, you ought to be able to name at least a few non-white wars and slaughters and such.
****************
lain> <<youre making him all grumpy and then i have to put up with him>>
Sorry.

<<"communicate in a meaningful and honest manner">>
Sounds like you did. :P
*************
Josh> You still haven't described the car... I tried to find you a sciency muse, but the only one was Urania, muse of astronomy, so... no. Maybe a Fate (Clotho, Lachesis, or Atropos) or a Fury (Tisiphone, Megaera, or Alecto)? I kind of like Lethe (the river of forgetfulness, so it's gender-neutral). Or Beatrice, from Much Ado About Nothing (although that might not be safe). Or Kheb, that nice planet where Oma Desala lived (I'd like to retire there... now). Just pick something, dammit. Or at least give us a little more to go on.

<<Most cats are that way.>>
I'm feeling better now. These cats just try to bite me now and then... (Or drool on me. Eew.)

<<He has porn?! Sweet!>>
*takes that the wrong way, and is apalled*

<<Probably a mathematician.>>
Or someone who took CS with the math concentration...

<>
Hey, that's mean. It's only appropriate if they take pride in the title.

<<Didn't they have a hard time against the FOH club?>>
Don't know. Maybe they were trying to be nice.

<<True, but that requires a bit of scraping effort.>>
But you get to lick the knife afterwards.

<<GREAT QUOTE! That's going on the page.>>
Don't I feel special? :P
*****************
Leo> <<He does, It's over by the albino I think.>>
Great. Now where did you leave the albino?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 19, 2003 11:03:52 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Okay, three little things that have boggled my mind today.

1. research shows passive smoking isn't as bad as origanally thought (this research was funded by the Tobacco companies)

2. Obesity is a disease... how about that?

3. A headmaster has band parents from watching sports day. She doesn't want children to be embarressed if they come last and she wants to do none-competitve sports and get rid of sack races and egg and spoon races... okay so what's the point of a sports day when all the fun stuff and not having your folks to cheer you on aren'tthere?

It's just political correctness gone wrong >:(
silverbolt
Shropshire, England
Monday, May 19, 2003 06:06:15 PM
IP: 81.131.91.244

And if they have to show an orgasm in "matrixvision", couldn't they find a better way to do it? What, the code for your crotch explodes in a little cloud of green gas every time you get off? 8 P

See, that's the kinda detail a true professional would pay more attention to.
Gunjack "Little Earthquakes" Valentine
Monday, May 19, 2003 03:24:01 AM
IP: 65.93.77.31

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Gunjack "Little Earthquakes
Monday, May 19, 2003 03:20:10 AM
IP: 65.93.77.31

So we went to see The Matrix Reloaded today.

The Matrix has a speciual motif all its own; equal parts gunpowder, mirror shades, wire fu, and Evil Suits. Orgasm Pie is NOT A PART OF THIS MIX, DANGIT! Neither, for that matter, are religions built around dancing naked. Creepy french men need to talk less and save their tawdry vices for other times when I won't have to watch them. Villians cannot intimidate properly when thinking with the wrong head.

One other thing; whoever taught these people to shoot must be the same guy who trained the imperial stormtroopers and the Xanatos Corperate Gaurd. I know they're all agents, Virii, or Freedmen, and thus all have m4d l337 bulletdodging skillz... But it would be nice if they actually HIT something once in a while. Along the same lines, it'd be nice if hitting someone hard enough to shatter concrette actually had, y'know, SOME EFFECT. Neo is THE ONE. He's swinging a FOUR FOOT STEEL POLE. Agent Smith should NOT BE GETTING UP after being hit IN THE HEAD WITH SAID POLE.

Other than that... InCROYable! Bravo! HooAH! I think the headache I had after the movie might have been a result of the gallon or so of adrenaline that dumped into my bloodstream just watching it. It's a bit choppier in parts (kinda reminds me of The Two Towers that way), but it was still WONDERFUL to see Neo beat agents to death with their own shoes. The new characters were incredible. Morpheus makes delightful use of a (possibly "magical") katana and a very spiffy Glock 18.

Bud Clare><<So, basically, _you_ get to say anything you want, but anything that I say is met with sexist comments>> I've spent the last half-year with Lain and hip-deep in cats, so all my metaphors are feline. Honestly, I hadn't thought of it that way. 8 P

<<Generally, it's traditional to at least try fixing things before you throw them out, especially when there's a good reason for their existence.>>
What is the purpose of filtering all information contained in a field through a race- or gender-based lense? What exactly IS a "woman's perspective", and why does it differ from a male or gender-nuetral perspective? What makes it THE "Women's Perspective", rather than "the perspective of one particular woman", and why isn't there a "Men's Perspective"?
See, I'm pissed because I think that colleges are offering courses in radical indoctrination that borders on the sexist/rascist. I'm pissed because this kinda crap is in the textbooks I'm studying RIGHT NOW. When I accompany Lain to her university courses, I listen to respected professors tell me that my view is insignificant because I'm a white male. When I wonder why we guys don't get our own ideological indoctrination, I'm told by you that ours is History.
History is not "Men's Studies". It's History. It's supposed to be as free of ideological slant as historians can make it. If A professor tried to teach History as Men's Studies, he'd be branded as a irredeemable sexist, fired, and never work in academia again.
In my opinion, the whole idea of indoctrinating students with racial or gender-based propaganda is VERY SCARY, and the fact that no one cares as long as you only indoctrinate the "right" perspectives is EVEN SCARIER.

<<That says nothing about quality, not that you'd have any damn business claiming that western art is best, anyway.>> I never claimed it was best, just really, really BIG. The whole point was that History isn't "White Studies" (as you, gabe, and several school boards argue), it's just that the west does so much STUFF, and on such a grand scale (and by grand scale, I mean Hitler, Stalin, the lightbulb, and the Beatles), that we dominate the history books by sheer mass of numbers. That's it. No judgements of morality or quality involved.

<<Wow, I can't imagine why I'm not liking you very much right now.>> Well, after you essentially called me an uneducated swine for disagreeing with you... *shrugs*

<<If you're such an expert, why don't _you_ provide examples?>> Um, I just did.

<<You're right. I assumed that lack of knowledge was your problem. I've moved on to the egomaniac theory. My bad.>> Maybe I should go over here and stop talking now.

Peace.
Gunjack "Masamune" Valentine
Monday, May 19, 2003 03:11:37 AM
IP: 65.93.73.126

saw matrix reloaded today. it was shiney.

*******A FEW SPOILERS AND COMMENTS FOR MATRIX RELOADED******

first of all.. the pre-show 25 minutes of commercials and previews completely and utterly SUCKED. i mean.. if theyre going to put the same commercials on the big screen as they do on tv.. thats just plain pathetic.
and good GOD it was freaking LOUD!!!! both gunjack and i came out of the theatre with headaches.
anyways.. it was pretty good. i was tense for pretty much the whole thing (probably another reason for the colossal headache). the action scenes were shiney but i didnt think they flowed as well into the movie as they did in the first one. overall, it kind of gave me the impression of *insert action scene here* *insert sex* *insert neat plot element* *insert action scene* *insert more sex* *oo how about another action scene* *more plot* *sex* *kung foo* *plot* *creepy french guy*.. it felt a little disjointed. gunjack was sad because there was too much kung foo and wire work and not enough guns. the twins were creepy but there wasnt really enough of them and they werent creepy *enough*. de-materializing got kind-of old after the first 6 times and they never really did anything else..
i want neos priest coat. it was daaaaaaamn sexy. trinity was daaaaaamn sexy too. but too shiney. matte trinity would be better.
speaking of sex.. there was just plain too much of it. orgasm pie? NONE FOR YOU!!! iky. i find things much sexier if they are a little more understated. if you show it all, it leaves nothing to the imagination, you know? my imagination is better than their naked ho-rave thingy..

yeah, so i guess now it sounds like i hated the thing.. but i really didnt. it was great!

*********END SLIGHLY MORE THAN "A FEW" SPOILERS**********

sunshineangel>> <<For some reason "Finding Nemo" is finally beginning to look funny>> it had darned well better be! ive been waiting for that freaking movie for what.. five years now?? :P

bud-clare>> <<No, I don't, and I'm finding it difficult to care>> please try not to be toooo mean to my sexy. youre making him all grumpy and then i have to put up with him :P

been searching job banks for the last few hours, found a few interesting things but not too much. for those that dont know, ive now been officially ditched by my dad, which is actually kind-of a relief. he phoned me up, shouted at me for not killing myself taking a summer course this year, told me my life is "bullshit", at which point i told him to f*&k off and he got really mad and hung up. cancelled my student line of credit and the portion of the rent cheques he was helping me with. i have to move by the end of june (which will be fun since i have NO money), and find a new job BEFORE said move. yay!

oh look, hes sent me another email, this time asking me to "communicate in a meaningful and honest manner". this ought to be rich..
lain
Monday, May 19, 2003 03:02:30 AM
IP: 65.93.77.31

Spent today with the other grandparents. Long day, because we have to drive for about an hour to see them.

Green Baron: Long time no see.
<>: Not all of them. But most.
<<soem Colleges have dropped Shakespeare requirements for a BA in English and that is plainly wrong>>: Shakespeare isn't English ;-)
<<Political Correctness is a far more destructive plague than SARS>>: Good thing Apple is sending me away from the bay area to taiwan, then ;-)
<>: Lain will be.
<<an Hasidic Diamond merchant, a French soldier, a hippy, an endangered species, and the Amish>>: LOL.
<>: Why? You won't be getting them.
<<They were cute but had an expensive property destruction habit>>: Most cats are that way.
<<From Howard Stern, maybe>>: He has porn?! Sweet!
<>: Agreed.
<<Jennifer Garner helped>>: Of course.
<<It's less dangerous than alchohol>>: And smells better than cigarettes.
<<Way to go!!>>: Thanks.
<<Next stop grad school>>: Apple first, but yes.
<>: And Unsolved Mysteries!
<<parody link>>: Love it.
<<A Bulgarian massage girl?>>: Better curves. Lower overall cost.
<<that could work to your advantage if people thought that, in some places>>: I thought about lying to avoid the extra security I got selected for.
<<From Berkely of all places>>: Welcome to the club.

Niamhgold: Thanks. So far most of the god/goddess names I've heard haven't measured up.

Mooncat: <<names>>: Nope.
<<What kind of toy is it?>>: The kind with four tires and an engine ;-)
<<listening to Evenescence right now>>: Fallen is a great album.

Gside: <<I'll probably live with my parents for a bit>>: Silly.
<<names>>: Nope.
<<Absolutely no ovulation. Probbably causes cancer.>>: Charming.
<<a good number of those classes aren't engineeing>>: Okay, you're forgiven.
<<you actually want to go to the gym>>: Motivation alone doesn't accomplish much.
<<someone had to write the integration and differention functions on graphing calculators>>: Probably a mathematician.

Bud Clare: <<If you only had a wheelbarrow>>: And Wesley's brains.
<<What kind of toy?>>: See comment to Mooncat.
<<Ticket B*tch, thank you very much.>>: I like that. I'm going to call them that from now on.
<<Except for Hello World>>: True.
<<Why that particular part, though?>>: Just because.
<<When was the last time they got their asses kicked in a bar fight?>>: Didn't they have a hard time against the FOH club?
<<I'm not wasting money just to dress funny>>: Halloween?
<<the girls had to wear white>>: Except on the gloves.
<<They have these new-fangled gadgets called "butter knives">>: True, but that requires a bit of scraping effort.
<<people would laugh at you and call you a freak>>: I'd make quite the addition to the X-men, though!
<>: GREAT QUOTE! That's going on the page.
<<Buttercup!>>: Uh, no.

Jaden: <<If some of these damn pop-ups don't stop the entire world will. Just get so annoying>>: Kill them all.

To sleep!

200. During times of peace, my Legions of Terror will not be permitted to lie around drinking mead and eating roast boar. Instead they will be required to obey my dietician and my aerobics instructor.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, May 19, 2003 02:12:29 AM
IP: 67.118.128.208

Ever see me flip out? If some of these damn pop-ups don't stop the entire world will. Just get so annoying.

****Matrix kind of sorta, not really spoilers****
All I'll say if that the ending was a surprise. The entire theater said, "What the (you know)." When the to be continued flashed on the screen. It was like Hey, I was watching that.

Soundtrack is great too. Not the mention the fight scenes and the shots of Zsion.
*****End****

Ravyn- I hope you had a great Birthday.

Green Baron- Here is some basic info that I learned about Korea. Hot Summers, Cold winters, 0300 alerts at least once a month, a few nice temples, and great shopping.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Monday, May 19, 2003 01:46:58 AM
IP: 172.197.227.231

Bud-Clare<<If you only had a wheelbarrow... >>He does, It's over by the albino I think. :p
Leo
Monday, May 19, 2003 01:23:55 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Josh> Oh, there's a good name for you. Buttercup! *runs away snickering*
Bud-Clare
Monday, May 19, 2003 01:06:10 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Gside> <<though there's something about owning my own holocaust cloak.>>
If you only had a wheelbarrow...

<<Heck, think of all the funky groups lyou'd go over if you toured them by sausage.>>
*shudders*

<<What could they learn about themselves that they haven't already learnt by being themselves and surrounded by themselves?>>
It's not learning about themselves, it's learning about parts of history that they don't ordinarily teach in school. (I assume, as I've never taken one of those courses.)

<<Then perhaps this calls to find out how commonly it is carried as a major.>>
Eh, who cares?
**************
Josh> <<I'm opening the floor for suggestions for cool names for a new toy.>>
What kind of toy? We can't make (good) suggestions if we don't know what it is. (It's not the car, is it?)

<<Campus meter maid.>>
Ticket B*tch, thank you very much. :P

<>
*L* I always wondered about that.

<<It would be just as interesting and self-enhancing any other ethnic group studying "themselves" (i.e. asians studying asian history, etc)>>
But the asians who study asian history don't even live in asia. Besides, we've been subjected to U.S. history our whole lives, so how is asian history different?

<<Nothing temporary about it. >>
You should talk.

<<Good attitude. It's very difficult to write bug-free code.>>
Except for Hello World. If you can't do that right, just give up. Please. ;)

<<It means I'm not going to comment on that.>>
Why that particular part, though? The earlier parts of the discussion were much more bizarre and scary.

<<True, but that strays from my point.>>
They generally get punched by unnaturally strong people, though. When was the last time they got their asses kicked in a bar fight?

<<Programmers seem to say "eh, I'll fix it when I get around to it.">>
That's (probably) because they have too much more vital work to do. Evil deadlines...

<< <<Not showing up?>>: Exactly.>>
My policy, too. I'm not wasting money just to dress funny. (Although in high school it was worse than the cost... The guys got to wear black, but the girls had to wear white. *shudders*)

<<Squeezable peanut butter is god's gift to sandwiches.>>
They have these new-fangled gadgets called "butter knives"...

<<No, because then it'd be hard to walk.>>
And people would laugh at you and call you a freak.

<<Now you can be Fezzik for halloween.>>
But shorter.

<<Do you have fossil records that say otherwise? Logically, it is impossible to prove a negative.>>
*whimpers/laughs*
*******************
Gunjack> <<You seem to think that "women's studies" is simply the study of women. It ain't.>>
I never said that _____ studies in their current incarnation are anywhere near perfect. I said that just because the execution is currently flawed doesn't mean that they should be abandoned altogether. Generally, it's traditional to at least try fixing things before you throw them out, especially when there's a good reason for their existence.

<<...And the claws come OUT!>>
So, basically, _you_ get to say anything you want, but anything that I say is met with sexist comments? Wow, I can't imagine why I'm not liking you very much right now.

<<As far as art goes, I was fairly certian that the idea of artist/composer/musician as a full-time occupation was fairly unique to western civilisation.>>
Even if that's true, it's not relevent in itself. Hell, it's not relevent, period.

<<Generally speaking, the more leisure a society has, the more art it has, yes?>>
That says nothing about quality, not that you'd have any damn business claiming that western art is best, anyway.

<<Your counterexamples?>>
If you're such an expert, why don't _you_ provide examples?

<<...Or maybe I've been exposed quite a lot, and I simply draw different conclusions.>>
You're right. I assumed that lack of knowledge was your problem. I've moved on to the egomaniac theory. My bad.

<<You really don't know that much about me, do ya?>>
No, I don't, and I'm finding it difficult to care.
*****************
Thomas> <<My next assignment after Germnay is Korea.>>
Ooo...

<<Back in the late 19th cnetury, all drugs were legal.>>
That was before everyone had a car...

<<and with the exceptions of jazz and disco>>
DISCO?!?

<<He may have liked that.>>
Nah, he made sure that he was a safe distance away at the time.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 19, 2003 01:04:11 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Gunjack> <<Love that song>>: And most of their catalog. See, leave the techno, listen to hippie music.
<<Congrats on the graduation, but whaddya gonna do now?>>: Thank you. I'll probably live with my parents for a bit, find a job, trasportation, and shelter.

Imzadi> <<I'm opening the floor for suggestions for cool names for a new toy. Female or gender-neutral, names with mythical, fictional, or military connotations are always a plus>>: Leda (Helen's mother), Dvergr (from Kiddy Grade), Lily (one of the Looking Glass pawns, for a more classic fiction), Nellybelle (Pat Brady's jeep).
<<Completely stops it?>>: Absolutely no ovulation. Probbably causes cancer.
<<Kill them all>>: But I can't decide on a method.
<<You bastard. I worked hard for my 3.59>>: If it's any consolation, I probably couldn't have paid attention in some of those classes. And remember, a good number of those classes aren't engineeing.
<>: Most people wish they did it where they are.
<<Not nearly as often as I'd like>>: Still, you actually want to go to the gym.
<<Now you can be Fezzik for halloween>>: A bit more fancy, but I don't think I'll light it on fire.
<<I'm still not seeing anything past 7th grade math here>>: Well, we do also do a bunch of stuff in the freaky little corners of math, like graph theory and linear alebra. And someone had to write the integration and differention functions on graphing calculators.
<<Logically, it is impossible to prove a negative>>: But you can prove impossibilities. Not that a black Socrates or intercontinental Egyptians are impossible.

Green Baron> <<From Howard Stern, maybe>>: Not where, why.

Lawyers, Guns, and Money, by Warren Zevon.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, May 19, 2003 12:28:05 AM
IP: 198.151.130.247

(Okay. So I lurk. I only skim to see when TGS-related things are talked about. Really.)

The Gargoyles and Timedancer series, respectively, took me about a week each. That's the joy and tragedy of being a really fast reader- Sure, I get a whole bunch of fun compressed into a tiny, tiny space, but... I only get the tiny space.

That doesn't excuse the fact that I speed-watched 12 episodes a day and tore through all the televised Gargoyles episodes in a week. That was just insanity.

After much careful thought, I decided maybe working on this would be fun. Then after roughly two more seconds, I remembered that I have an actual job this summer, and a crap connection that makes internet surfing dangerously banal, and discarded the thought. Nevertheless, come August, when I only have classes to hurt me... well, if my mind hasn't changed, I'm sure all I have to do is mention it and I'll be shanghaied with disturbing rapidity.
Oraidhe - [bah]
, , , , ,
Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:32:58 PM
IP: 152.163.252.196

Lain: I know, but Blue isn't, and I like to exploit the oppurtunities to mention our need.
Lynati
Sunday, May 18, 2003 08:03:03 PM
IP: 65.66.155.21

The Green Baron -- They always have -- I think the NY times is one of the worst newspapers for biased reporting of the news that I have ever seen... and this is from long ago -- not just recently.

----

Actually had a nightmare last night -- havent had one of those in about a decade(mainly because they typically turn into lucid dreams when they do happen)

I was going somewhere in my car and was lost in a city. I kept trying to find my way and failing so I stopped into a supermarket parking lot to get directions. I got out of the car and was waylayed by a gang of thieves who drugged me and then stole my car. After that I was lost, with highly blurred and wierd senses from whatever they injected me with and was trying to find a policeman in a city with no ID, money, or anything and it didnt get any better when I did find one. I woke up during a second encounter with one of the people from the gang.

Nasty nightmare and what is oddest about it is I have NEVER had a dream like that one.
silvadel
Sunday, May 18, 2003 02:16:19 PM
IP: 24.225.133.97

lyn>> <<you could always apply to come on board the project...>> yeah.. tonys been on my payroll for a few months now.. AND suggested new suckers for us.

GO TONY!! ;)
lain
Sunday, May 18, 2003 12:01:10 PM
IP: 65.93.77.31

ah, Gabriel... doffing your pants to get to your lizard... *^_^* I'm glad to hear your iguana is doing better.

Imzadi - hmmm Athena, goddess of wisdom and war. Circe, who bewitches men, Morrigan, another war goddess. Sekhmet, the Mistress of Dread, who gives life eternally. Associated with war and retribution, destruction and medicine/surgery.

What kind of toy is it? Those are all I can think of off the top of my head.

Green Baron - I really enjoyed Dare Devil too. It didn't rock me to the core or anything, but it was a lot of fun and had great music (listening to Evenescence right now) and is fairly close the comic book rendition.

later people
Mooncat

From the Book of the Dead --

"May the goddess Sekhmet raise me, and lift me up. Let me ascend into heaven, let that which I command be performed in Hikuptah. I know how to use my heart. I am master of my heart-case. I am master of my hands and arms. I am master of my legs. I have the power to do that which my KA desireth to do. My Heart-soul shall not be kept a prisoner in my body at the gates of Amentet when I would go in in peace and come forth in peace."
>^,,^<
Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:53:24 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

GB> He's doing great! He ate a lot yesterday; I was very surprised.

There's actually a very funny story. When I was going in to his cage (which is 6' tall, 5' wide', and 3' deep), to pick him up, he leaped off his top level onto the ground. I was wearing very baggy pants that day and was on my hands and knees looking for him. All of a sudden, I felt something run up my pants and I freaked out. My roomate ws laughing his @$$ off; my iguana, plato, only went further up my pants, towards my crotch -_-. I grabbed him before he could get there and took my pants off to get him out.

Yeah, so that is a story to tell
Gabriel
Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:13:23 AM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Imzadi: For a list of bestiary names and mythological terms in a complete site index, visit www.pantheon.org. You'll probably find a few fitting namess for your gift there.

Over and out
Niamhgold
Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:03:40 AM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Greetings all. I know it's been a while since I posted, but I've been busy. I have two months left of Kosovo. It was a blast and all, but I've been here long enough. My next assignment after Germnay is Korea. Let's hope the crazy pygmy won't start acting up again.

Gabiel> I have always been fond of reptiles. How's the iguana?

Bud-Clare> <<So have other cultures. But let's just ignore millenia of art, philosophy, music, politics, wars, and everything else, just because _you_ don't see the need.>> As a self-described neo-conservative, I support study of other cultures for History majors definitely and for others interested. I do find some of these degrees in newer studies to be sham degrees, but I imagine Imzadi will second me and declare all Liberal Arts degrees as such :)

Now, I still believe strongly that to get a BA in History, two semesters of Westerne Civilization should be an absolute core curriculum to be taken in the Freshmen year. After that, I think at least one 300-400 level course should be taken in US History, pre-European American History, Wesetrn European History, Middle East ancient, and medieval-modern, Slavic History, Asia Minor History, sub-Saharan African History (Northern Africa can be included in teh Middle Eastern portion), Oriental History, Aussie Hitory mate, WWII and the Cold War, but that's just my view. I don't really see an issue with the newer disciplines within History and English, though I think they should remain as Minors, for I really don't see the Market Value of a Major in newer studies, except to teach them in College :)

Now, I see some of Gunjack's concerns as I recall soem Colleges have dropped Shakespeare requirements for a BA in English and that is plainly wrong. Regardless of what discipline is studied, if you want a degree in English, I think at least one class on Shakespeare is required, but my degree is in Business and I won't have any kids, so it really doesn't matter what I think.

<<There's a reason why I'm not a lesbian... (Well, several, probably, but that's beside the point.)>> There is the fact that you're a major fan of Owen, though you don't mention much about such feelinsg, except in slight passing.

<<But the good bits usually get skipped over in general history courses. Therefore, not a subset.>> That is what advanced level history courses are for.

Gunjack> <<declaring that euro-canadians had no culture; one assumes that this holds true for Euro-americans. Poor Us.>> Political Correctness is a far more destructive plague than SARS.

That teacher is full of shit. I will agree than modern culture is basically devoid of any quality, but Europeans have a cultural history that is quite valued with wonderful music and brilliant art. Of course, in the last fifty years I find little to be quality culture, but I have an anti-modern bias and if I was born 200 years later, I may find value in today's culture.

Spacebabie> <<After seeing how many times you posted that I�m thinking that you were the one doing the smoking.>> Well, it will be legal to smoke it in Canada soon, but somehow I don't think Lain and Gunjack will be getting high every night, because of that. I know my Newfie was dismayed when seeing some ten year old neighbor smoking pot. I can't wait to visit her, once I leave Germany or in September, whichever comes first.

<<Have her rent My Big Fat Greek Weddings.>> Nothing makes a good movie like exploiting ethnic stereotypes. I loved that :)

Dezi> <<they named their school mascot "Fighting Whitie" and it is a white guy in a business suit with a brief case. :)>> But that's not very tough. Personally, I'd rank it among the least threatening school mascots, along with an Hasidic Diamond merchant, a French soldier, a hippy, an endangered species, and the Amish :)

Hmmm....the Penn State Amish

Barracuda> <<Pardon?>> That's just Imzadi humor. I hope my dear Newfie doesn't have any STDs.

Bud-Clare> I remember your horror stories about the cats. My mother had similar tales, and she gave the cats away. They were cute but had an expensive property destruction habit. Attila may have been the first cat to be sued for sexual harrasment, but he never was destructive :)

Gisde> <<Why else would you get lesbian porn?>> From Howard Stern, maybe.

Movies> I saw Daredevil last week. I'll risk another savaging, but I liked it, personally. Now, I am not familiar with the comics, so I can't compare it, but the movie was good from my perspective. Of coruse, Jennifer Garner helped with that :)

Gods and General comes to Bondsteel tommorrow, so I'll be watching that. I can't for X2. I've been compared to Nightcrawler by a certain Newfie :)

Firestorm> <<I am a scorned lesbian in a mans body. I find the male form unintersting (and occasionally disgusting), including my own, and TRULY enjoy the beautiful form and curves of the female body. Everything is so... smooth. Nothing sticks out awkwardly (Well... overly big breasts, but they are silly anyway), everything is curvy...>> Well, you could just be a heterosexual male, but that would be too mundane for you.

Spacebabie> <<Not to mention medicinal weed.>> Just legalize pot. It's less dangerous than alchohol. Back in the late 19th cnetury, all drugs were legal.

Niamhgold> <<Viking raid! Viking raid!>> You must include Warpmind for a Viking raid :)

Imzadi> <<This just in: I'VE GRADUATED!>> Way to go!!! That is always a great step to make. Next stop grad school.

Happy Birthday Ravyn. How will you celebrate. Maybe you and Coyote can do combat exercises in Southern Phoenix or Detroit :)

Leo> Robert Stack died...that stinks. I think a perfect tribute is to watch some Airplane movies.

Mooncat> <<waiting for the next movie.>> Here's a parody link to one: http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000877.html#000877

DPH> <<I'd like to add a couple of comments. My music appreciation class focused on music from Europe. The book used devotes one chapter at the end of the book to non-Western music.>> Well, it depends on the music course. Classical music will naturally focus on European music, and with the exceptions of jazz and disco, American music has no value. I do admit a certain fondness for Middle Eastern music though. It's a pity we can't fidn musical stories for the ancient times, like in Greece, Rome, or Egypt. The ancient music would be a delight.

<> Well, World History has always struck me as a synonym for Western Civilization (interestingly enough two classes in Western Civ were required for all students at Loyola, even Business majors), though my Western Civ course discussed the Middle East, though I consider that to be Western Civilization as wel. My HS World History class gave a few chapters to non-European culture. On a side note, one of the best US History texts was written by a Hungarian who neevr traveeld to America. He just used history info, but had no significant bias.

Imzadi> <<And I got a cool graduation present.>> A Bulgarian massage girl?

<<The real joke was when they saw my duffel bag (its an army-issue green duffel) and they asked me if I was "in the service".>> Well, that could work to your advantage if people thought that, in some places. Besides, most soldiers are advised not to use something that identifies them as a soldiers, so if you had something like that, I'd assume you weren't one.

Blue Caeru> WB. How is Austin?

Bud-Clare> <> He may have liked that. Even Attila won't hit on you out of fear/respect.

Gside> <<No fedora, though.>> I got one. From Berkely of all places.

Gunjack> <<Good question. Generally speaking, the more leisure a society has, the more art it has, yes?>> Well, leisure for a segment of society. It is really recently that folks like us have a say in art or entertainment as the middle class is a recent phonoemon.

<> Well, a freelance one is unique to Western Civilization, and one who could survive as a free agent is a very recent phonemon.

<<This way, we can COMPLETELY kill off any hope that we might all learn to understand one another.>> I think it woudl be better if we teach a course on something we have no ties to, like Cornell West teaching about European History and a white guy (non-African) teaching African studies. Of course that coul lead to some whiny protestors, but a couple of hoses can take care of them :)

That is all for now. Of ocurse, I wonder if the New York Times will accept journalists with degrees in Creative Writing now :)

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo
Sunday, May 18, 2003 07:18:25 AM
IP: 136.216.75.6

Blue, Tony:

and, of course, if you want to help keep TGS going strong and getting the fics out more often, you could always apply to come on board the project...or suggest it to those you know who might be suitable to help out...
Lynati
Sunday, May 18, 2003 03:04:01 AM
IP: 65.66.158.221

My parents woke me up at 830 this morning because my dad got a flat during their bike ride. So I had to run out and pick them. I wasn't too annoyed, though, because I know my parents would get out bed at 3AM if I had needed a ride at any point in high school. Spent the rest of my somewhat early day running errands.

I'm opening the floor for suggestions for cool names for a new toy. Female or gender-neutral, names with mythical, fictional, or military connotations are always a plus. You get a prize if your suggestion is selected.

Niamhgold: <>: That's because you're cool.
<<Useful for more than application to the mouth, too>>: Been getting your dog to do your work for you?
<<Congrats>>: Thanks.
<<A cartoon one>>: I guess so.
<<And unfeasible>>: Where there's a will...
<<How much has the ability to vote directly bettered the quality of *either* sex's lives?>>: I have no idea. I'm guessing not at all.
<<they want some sense that the guy has a brain and can come up with something clever to say when hitting on them>>: Right, because good pick-up lines are really a great measure of a man.
<>: They're sick.
<>: When my roommate was doing the final editing, I filmed the last few scenes.
<<Uh. Wow>>: Sorry, couldn't hold it in any longer.
<<Isn't it grand?>>: It rules.
<<At least you don't have to get frisked because your bra set off the metal detector>>: True. But I had to take off my shoes.
<>: It's a new car.
<<Dumbass MICA boys 2002!>>: The paintball video?
<<if he came home with a new motorcycle without consultation>>: He did?! Wow. I only made one major purchase without consulting anyone, my iBook.
<<swears by Depo Provera>>: Completely stops it?
<<True ::cough cough:: Laura Flynn Boyle ::cough cough::>>: You should talk ;-)
<<that one statement can be used for so many other purposes!>>: Maybe I should add it to my quotes page.
<<So you're a cop?>>: Campus meter maid.

Blue Caeru: I don't know you, but welcome back. What are you studying in grad school?

Tony: <<it any thing but a CR for TGS>>: When TGS is updated, you'll find the subjects lean towards that a bit more.
<>: It took me about 2 months of reading in every free second I had to get through it all. Including most of winter break (I discovered it around thanksgiving a couple years ago as well). But well worth the time.

Bud Clare: <<Are you robbing a bank after the ceremony?>>: Isn't that what all graduates do? I saw a car earlier that said "what better way to celebrate how smart we are than to throw a bunch of sharp, pointy hats into the air above our heads!"
<<I'm sure that would be fascinating. Really>>: It would be just as interesting and self-enhancing any other ethnic group studying "themselves" (i.e. asians studying asian history, etc).
<<We plead temporary insanity>>: Nothing temporary about it.
<<Write all your programs yourself then, smartass>>: Good attitude. It's very difficult to write bug-free code.
<<What?>>: It means I'm not going to comment on that.
<<See how well that works?>>: Yes.
<<Some of us are smart enough not to _get_ punched>>: True, but that strays from my point.
<>: Ah, yes. You're right. Engineers are SUPPOSED to take responsibility for their mistakes. In the "I'll get right on that" kind of way or the "I just lost my license for making that mistake" kind of way. Programmers seem to say "eh, I'll fix it when I get around to it."
<<Not showing up?>>: Exactly.
<>: Squeezable peanut butter is god's gift to sandwiches.

Gside: <<my $#@! group members gave me a C+ in software engineering>>: Kill them all.
<<If I actually paid attention in all my classes, I might have done better>>: You bastard. I worked hard for my 3.59 (hasn't been updated for this last semester, though).
<<No fedora, though>>: It'll definitely go well.
<<If there isn't time, split the class up over a few semesters>>: I wish they did that at Berkeley.
<<You do go to the gym on occasion>>: Not nearly as often as I'd like.
<<You wish you had a ten foot pole>>: No, because then it'd be hard to walk.
<<Does Hello World count?>>: No.
<<there's something about owning my own holocaust cloak>>: Now you can be Fezzik for halloween.
<<Distance calculations>>: Okay, square roots. I'm still not seeing anything past 7th grade math here.

Gunjack: <<that certianly doesn't look much like the history *I* learned in school>>: My favorite part is that if any school did that, it'd be discriminatory, even though that's pretty much what they teach in any specialized minority study.
<<we can COMPLETELY kill off any hope that we might all learn to understand one another>>: Well, us white males have managed to make it to the top without understanding all these insignificant other world views, so why should we care? ;-)
<<History IS. Your skin color and/or precise configuration of weebley bits does NOT determine its interpretation>>: No, history is written by the victors. Atrocities committed by their side are downplayed while atrocities committed by the losers are made to seem more significant than they are. Other than that, I agree.
<<Negating this is, in my opinion, rather bigoted>>: Don't say things like this. They make you seem intellectually arrogant and closed-minded.
<>: Leading to the creation of the sidewalk guitar-player and other wastes of oxygen.
<<Congrats on graduation>>: Thanks!
<<What now?>>: Apple starts in a week, then grad school in the fall: MS in Structural Engineering.
<<the students were taught that Socrates was black, the Egyptians were winged telepaths that flew around Egypt and used the Pyramids to communicate with the stars, and that Egyptian sailors had crossed the Ethiopian Ocean hundreds of years before Columbus. THAT is intellectual masterbation>>: Not if its true. Do you have fossil records that say otherwise? Logically, it is impossible to prove a negative.
<>: I understand its expensive to covert them to a real home, though.

199. I will not make alliances with those more powerful than myself. Such a person would only double-cross me in my moment of glory. I will make alliances with those less powerful than myself. I will then double-cross them in their moment of glory.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Sunday, May 18, 2003 02:56:15 AM
IP: 67.117.15.248

clickie clickie. How's this for a creepy weapon?
Gunjack "Morning DEWS" Valentine
Sunday, May 18, 2003 02:48:14 AM
IP: 65.93.76.110

***Written to "Harry's Game"***

I spent a few days muddling over this whole gender/race studies thing, trying to figure out why it bothered me so much.

Bud Clare - You seem to think that "women's studies" is simply the study of women. It ain't.

You were asking what would constitute "White/Men's Studies"... How about this? We could learn how Patriarchy is the sociopolitical system that (whether by divine providence or natural selection) best fits humanity, and how it provides greater stability, strength, and drive to societies that adopt it. We could explore European and American history without lingering on concepts like "oppression" or "exploitation". We could explore the history of slavery from a global perspective (wasn't slavery widespread in africa before the Europeans arrived?), and we could probably vindicate ourselves of all guilt by learning about the price our ancestors payed to end it on our shores. We could focus on the overwhelming superiority of our civilisation and way of life, pointing to the staggering advances the West has made. We could discuss why that nine tenths of the world's movers and shakers are Our People, and the rest were educated by us. We could discuss the physical and psychological shortcomings of women, and wonder if this might be the cause of the so-called "glass ceiling".

I dunno about you, but that certianly doesn't look much like the history *I* learned in school...

The point to Gender/Race studies is PERSPECTIVE, not facts. What makes a "Studies" class different from other courses is interpretation; what is labeled as important, and why. And here's the kicker: by definition, these fields break down perspective/logic/knowledge along gender or racial lines.

In other words, you have profound insights that I don't, simply because you're an inny, and I'm an outie. If that's true, than it cuts both ways, and whites and men need their own fields. Or perhaps it would be better to break it up by race AND gender, so you can have two seperate fields for each race. Oops, forgot the gays... and the transvestites, and the hermaphrodites, and religious affiliations! This way, we can COMPLETELY kill off any hope that we might all learn to understand one another.

History IS. Your skin color and/or precise configuration of weebley bits does NOT determine its interpretation. Negating this is, in my opinion, rather bigoted. If you believe the official interpretation of history is in error, try setting it straight, rather than teaching different history to the boys and the girls.

That make any more sense?

Replies.

Bud Clare><<I'm sure that you'd know more about that than I would.>> ...And the claws come OUT! <<And I think you've just proven the need for studying other cultures...>> As far as art goes, I was fairly certian that the idea of artist/composer/musician as a full-time occupation was fairly unique to western civilisation.
<<How would you know how much has been written, composed, and painted by other cultures...>> Good question. Generally speaking, the more leisure a society has, the more art it has, yes? Liesure, above all other things, is the trademark of the West, and has been for a very long time.

<<...or how many people they've killed?>> ...Actually, yeah, I kinda do, since war is sorta my main field of interest. See: extermination of south, central, and northern native Americans, the Crusades, the various brushfires during Europe's fuedal age, and most notably World Wars I & II. Your counterexamples?

<<Do you really think that all their artists have just been sitting on their asses for centuries?>> ...Actually, I assumed they were busy (or busier, at least) with making a living. Am I wrong?

<<Has it occurred to you that you just haven't been exposed to other cultures enough to have the faintest idea what you're talking about?>> ...Or maybe I've been exposed quite a lot, and I simply draw different conclusions. You really don't know that much about me, do ya?
...In any case, you shouldn't have any trouble pointing out the mistakes of a oafish, uneducated swine, should you? Or don't. It's a sideshow anyhow.

Josh - Congrats on graduation. What now? <<What if?! Of course he does! How else do you explain the platypus?>> So the song says. <<Interesting. I always thought it was a waste of funds for the sake of of school being able to say that it was multi-cultural.>> That too.
<<Always loved that term...what does it mean?>> I remember hearing, awhile back, about a Black Studies class in a high school where the students were taught that Socrates was black, the Egyptians were winged telepaths that flew around Egypt and used the Pyramids to communicate with the stars, and that Egyptian sailors had crossed the Ethiopian Ocean hundreds of years before Columbus. THAT is intellectual masterbation.
<<Then I hope you enjoy being vaporized.>> I hope one day to purchase a decomissioned Minuteman III silo complex (they go for about $600,000). That should handle just about anything.
<<You're a sucker.>> We call it sputnik. I'm going to train it for clean kills at sixty paces.

Gabe><<Not even. What I implied was that White men have made the majority of *important* Western History, which isn't to say that non-white male history isn't important.>> Point.

Spacebabie><<After seeing how many times you posted that I�m thinking that you were the one doing the smoking.>> Bless the Herb. You heard that they're working on legalizing it up here?

Gside><<The old black rum's got a hold on me, like a dog wrapped 'round my leg...>> "So I drink to the father and the holy Ghost..." ...Love that song. Congrats on the graduation, but whaddya gonna do now?

And that's about it for me. Bedtime.

"If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
get an ugly girl to marry you!"

-Jimmy Soul, "If you wanna be happy"
Gunjack "Where Did the Happy Days Go" Valentine
Sunday, May 18, 2003 02:12:54 AM
IP: 65.93.76.110

My GPA over all my college has been determined to be 3.585 (my $#@! group members gave me a C+ in software engineering). Not too bad. If I actually paid attention in all my classes, I might have done better.
Oh, and I am now in posession of a suit that fits. No fedora, though.

DPH> <<If class time is a problem for covering material, increase the reading assignments>>: Feh. If there isn't time, split the class up over a few semesters.

Imzadi> <<I'm skeletal, and all I do all day is eat junk food and watch TV>>: You do go to the gym on occasion.
<<I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole>>: You wish you had a ten foot pole.
<<I'll send you a bug report>>: Does Hello World count?
<>: Brobably for the best, though there's something about owning my own holocaust cloak.
<<Still subtraction>>: Distance calculations (whether for sprites or 3D).

Niamhgold> <<And some people just don't date at all>>: Hello.
<<For artistic purposes, it worked>>: Won't happen again.
<<Yes, and it's at my expense!>>: Excellent, I must try harder, then.
<<OOH. Visit>>: Though lately, I've been working in entrees.
<<They never forget it, nor do they ever let ME forget it>>: See, sometimes violence is the answer.
<<A friend of mine swears by Depo Provera>>: And it probably also delays menopause.
<<What colors do you wear at Rutgers?>>: Mostly black except for red/scarlet tassel and hood lining, and yellow hood trim (for BS, I believe).
<<Thus snuff films>>: I once saw an analysis of one, showing it was faked.
<<And let's not forget those ribbed tails>>: Horizontal or vertical?
<<make art for your own sake, don't be depressed by the commercial world, honey>>: But I want to make money.

Blue Caeru> Welcome back.
<>: The name does ring a bell.

Tony Elliot> <<I�ve given up on the CR lately because it any thing but a CR for TGS�>>: Communities stagnate if they are too specialized, and are without any new material.

Bud Clare> <<Hood? Are you robbing a bank after the ceremony?>>: They gave me a hood, so I'm wearing a hood.
<<*twitches* Uh-huh... I'm sure that would be fascinating>>: Done the right way it would be. Heck, think of all the funky groups lyou'd go over if you toured them by sausage.
<<Yes, and?>>: What could they learn about themselves that they haven't already learnt by being themselves and surrounded by themselves?
<<We have a major>>: Then perhaps this calls to find out how commonly it is carried as a major.

Na zdorov'ya.

Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Sunday, May 18, 2003 12:19:38 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Gside> <<Also picked up my cap, gown, and hood.>>
Hood? Are you robbing a bank after the ceremony?

<<The actual divisions between brits, newfies, the immigrant areas of New York.>>
*twitches* Uh-huh... I'm sure that would be fascinating. Really.

<<Though I believe mostly women take women's studies, and mostly blacks taking black studies.>>
Yes, and?

<<At least at Rutgers, it isn't its own major.>>
Ah. We have a major. But they get all the incompetent professors, so we laugh at them.

<<You expected us to do something smart?>>
We plead temporary insanity.
****************
DPH> <<That explains all the bugs in programs: those people don't consentrate on logic.>>
Write all your programs yourself then, smartass.
***************
Josh> <<I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole.>>
*blinks* What?

<>
And my response was the appropriate one for your comment. See how well that works? :P

<<Some of us are capable of standing up to a punch.>>
Some of us are smart enough not to _get_ punched. :P

<<A stereotype? I'll tell you what, you develop a program, on your own time, outside of school. For fun or profit, either one. I'll send you a bug report and we'll see how you react.>>
I was referring to your comment about engineers, not the implication about programmers. And why would I have a problem with a bug report? I take it back. You used one positive stereotype, _and_ a negative one (which I hadn't really noticed until you called attention to it).

<<I'm sorry, were you not just saying how women are afraid that guys are going to rape them if we're too forward?>>
No, that wasn't me. And if I had said that, I would have said _some_ women, which is what you failed to do.

<<Of course you didn't. Because you have no foresight.>>
Of course I had no foresight. I hadn't been born yet. :P

<>
Not showing up?
***************
Blue Caeru> Hi! I do remember your name, as it's fairly distinctive, but I'm afraid that's all I remember. Welcome back, though. :)
**************
Niamhgold> <<Useful for more than application to the mouth, too.>>
*L* Ah. I was wondering what the point of that stuff was. Now I see. ;)

<>
I get petty about roommates who don't clean up after themselves. :P

<<So you're a cop? (forgive me, I skim during the school year and may have not picked that up earlier)>>
Gah! No, I used to work for campus safety.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:26:49 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Tony Elliot: Yay, a response! The CR has always been a place for many different topics, but with no new recent episodes out there is an understandable trend in more non-TGS discussions. But you can always toss out a TGS question and people will respond. I imagine that getting spoiled might be a problem though, since you haven't had a chance to get up to date yet.

<Hey hey! Another late reader.>

Actually, I first started reading TGS in late 1998, but around mid-2000 I had less time to keep up with it. So, I've been missing from these here parts for quite some time. I probably need a refresher and should just read everything again. After I finish that term paper. :-P

*****BRIEF COMMENTS ON TIMEDANCER SEASON 4, LIGHT SPOILERS*****

Um, wow! I really enjoyed all the intricacies in the relationships between Samson, Gwen, Angela, and Broadway. Capturing all the family drama wonderfully. I could really feel for them and it was all even-handed so a reader can't automatically "side" with any particular character.

Nicholas II was suitably creepy, and I wondered if he was just "bad seed" or what. Emrys must be guilt-ridden, wondering what he could have done to keep from losing his child like that. Nicholas II and Maeve...*shudder*

The future that Brooklyn & family are currently in is about 200 years after TGS: Gargoyles season 2. Like Brooklyn, I certainly wondered what exactly became of some of the series regulars and their descendants. Okay, I know I'm getting all gushy here, but it's great how hints are dangled so tantalizingly here and there, and that's why I kept wracking my brain to remember things.

*****END COMMENTS*****
Blue Caeru - [magekuon@yahoo.com]
Austin, TX
Saturday, May 17, 2003 09:29:28 PM
IP: 205.188.209.12

<Yesterday I read all of Timedancer season 4 (even though I should've been working on a term paper). I know it's old news to you all, but wow, what revelations! I'm impressed, and I'm looking forward to the new season of Gargoyles. This summer I guess I will get around to reading Dark Ages and Pendragon.>
Hey hey! Another late reader. I�ve given up on the CR lately because it any thing but a CR for TGS� but finally here�s a comment again!

Blue, I know what you mean, TGS is really well done. I�d rather spend what little time free I have reading it rather than something else. Luckily for me, I�ve only gotten though season 1 of Gargoyles and I�m half way through TimeDancer season 1� so there�s an abundant supply of TGS left for me :p. I discovered TGS this past thanksgiving vacation.

<A thought: Has anyone considered making a sort of timeline for each of the series, and updating it as we go along? While I was reading Timedancer season 4 I really had to strain my memory to recall what happened and when and to whom. Or, if one already exists, please point out the way.>
DPH has a really good one, but as far as I know, its just for TGS staffers, ask him if you can have it.

Regards � Tony

http://rpg.cyberavalon.com

Tony Elliot - [h664e34@hotmail.com]
Milwaukee, WI
Saturday, May 17, 2003 08:11:46 PM
IP: 65.25.168.162

Greetings, everyone. It's been quite a while since I've been here and I notice that many "regulars" are no longer around. I remember seeing Todd, Spacebabie, Bud-Clare, G-side and Ravyn before, but I doubt that anyone would remember me since I'm kind of a wallflower even in cyberspace. I'm sure some things have changed for you all since I've been here last. Things have sure changed for me -- I graduated with my BA a year ago and moved from FL to TX for grad school. But, whatever, we're all here because we love Gargoyles. :-)

Yesterday I read all of Timedancer season 4 (even though I should've been working on a term paper). I know it's old news to you all, but wow, what revelations! I'm impressed, and I'm looking forward to the new season of Gargoyles. This summer I guess I will get around to reading Dark Ages and Pendragon.

A thought: Has anyone considered making a sort of timeline for each of the series, and updating it as we go along? While I was reading Timedancer season 4 I really had to strain my memory to recall what happened and when and to whom. Or, if one already exists, please point out the way.
Blue Caeru
Austin, TX
Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:33:36 PM
IP: 205.188.209.12

Yesterday was long. Eye appointment, lunch with my old boss, dinner, and the Matrix Reloaded. Good movie. I like guns and explosions and sex ;) It stunk when we got out the parking lot and saw our parking situation, though.

I have tried all versions of the new squeezable peanut butter and recommend them. Useful for more than application to the mouth, too.

Imzadi: <This just in: I'VE GRADUATED!> Congrats. <<What kind of name is that for a shark> A cartoon one. <That sounds really dirty> And unfeasible. <Mostly worthless.> Sad, but true. <And now that we let them vote, they have no business complaining> How much has the ability to vote directly bettered the quality of *either* sex's lives? <Why do women think that all guys are rapists?> First off, that's not what I said. Not *all* women think that *all* men are rapists. Some do, and I can't explain for them. Perhaps another reason why women don't like guys who are too forward about sex (unless they're manizers) is because they want some sense that the guy has a brain and can come up with something clever to say when hitting on them. I think that lots of women like the creativity of the "game." Again, I can't speak for all women, because every individual has a different way of approaching dating, at different points in their lives. And some people just don't date at all. In any case, this entire women vs. men subject is a no win for either side--men are going to support the side of men and women their own--so this is where I end my stint ;) <Makes it impossible to film> I thought that was your roommate? ;) <You're obviously just bitter because you're fat.> Uh. Wow. <and I get to spend a week in LA mooching off various family members.> Isn't it grand? Hehe. At least you don't have to get frisked because your bra set off the metal detector... ;) < The real joke was when they saw my duffel bag (its an army-issue green duffel) and they asked me if I was "in the service".> LOL! <And I got a cool graduation present.> I wonder ;) <I'm skeletal, and all I do all day is eat junk food and watch TV> Cheeseburgah cheeseburgah cheeseburgah cheeseburgah! <Some of us are capable of standing up to a punch.> Cue the paintball-extravaganza of "Dumbass MICA boys 2002!" They have those at Spencer Gifts.

FS: <**Pulls out marshmellows**> Let us share :)

Ravyn: <Well, now I'm off to think about the fact that it's my 21st birthday ...> Woot, happy 21st! How many people are dragging you out for drinks? ;) <As for the Matrix ... it will not disappoint!> Amen! <Oh, HELL no!" when Tom Cruise showed up> Hehe. By the way, I saw the Japanese version of "Hero" three weeks ago, with Jet Li--it's supposed to debut here in November. Be forewarned, it's three times more artistic (and thus boring) than Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

Gside: <The first one you'll pick up will be Hawkgirl> Possibly, but it's a toss-up with Green Lantern since he rocks ;) LOL <Why'd you go and listen to me for?> For artistic purposes, it worked. <Is it something I want to breach?> Yes, and it's at my expense! ;) <The last time was probably for that raspberry chocolate bavarian> OOH. Visit ;) <The women asked for it> I can't say that we didn't. Or, might I say, I can't say that the generations *before* us didn't. <we just let it slide> Amen. Overall, I think the guy mentality of here today, gone tomorrow is healthiest--I hate how petty even my best female friends can get if you wrong them even in the slightest. They never forget it, nor do they ever let ME forget it ;) <Too common> Sad but true. <He doesn't even get to hold any cash> See, the equaling factor is that, now that my dad is allowed to make more purchases on his own, he's not allowed to complain about a hike in our electric bill. Because if he came home with a new motorcycle without consultation, my mother would punch him if he berated her for the $13 extra he had to pay for electricity last month ;) <We don't have to expect to lose a certain amount of blood over any period of time> A friend of mine swears by Depo Provera. <Also picked up my cap, gown, and hood> Congratulations! What colors do you wear at Rutgers? <There is always someone ready to buy anything> Thus snuff films. ::shudders:: <Depends on how pointy the spiky things are> Studded? And let's not forget those ribbed tails...

DPH: That's great, especially that your school offers those services. MICA offers ONE counselor, and I'm sure she's a flake ("make art for your own sake, don't be depressed by the commercial world, honey!") ;)

Leo: <But there's a difference between 'skinny' and 'skelletal'> True ::cough cough:: Laura Flynn Boyle ::cough cough:: ;)

Bud Clare: <We didn't realize that the vacuum created by its loss would be filled by stupidity> LOL. Even taken out of context, that one statement can be used for so many other purposes! :) So you're a cop? (forgive me, I skim during the school year and may have not picked that up earlier) <And telling someone to eat a sandwich obviously isn't going to hurt them one way or the other, is it?> I'm sure that's what my roommate thought the day she got food poisoning ;) <That's the spirit!> Hehe. You've no idea ;) <Except for the "chick" bit.> Hey, don't knock it ;) I'll take all phrases except "Woman" ;)

Adios
Niamhgold
Saturday, May 17, 2003 11:27:46 AM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Up at the buttcrack of dawn today for my flight. Lucky me, I got selected for extra hard-core security checks. Probably because I ignored the check-in lady when she hit on me. The real joke was when they saw my duffel bag (its an army-issue green duffel) and they asked me if I was "in the service".

THE SERVICE!? I'm a Berkeley student! ;-)

And I got a cool graduation present.

Fire Storm: <<the only ones (or one>>: Good save.
<>: I want a "No Fat Chicks" sticker for my car.

Ravyn: <<it's my 21st birthday>>: Happy birthday!

Leo: <<Robert Stack>>: Who?
<<it's not quite official yet, at least not until you pick up your diploma>>: You know what really sucks? I have to PAY for my diploma. And I can't get it for a few more months.
<<She's not fat, she's just big boobed>>: I've seen pictures.
<<there's a difference between 'skinny' and 'skelletal'>>: I'm skeletal, and all I do all day is eat junk food and watch TV.
<<a guy got a sex change but 'she' still perferred women.>>: Of course.
<>: How'd you do that?

Bud-Clare: <<You've obviously never seen that particluar sight>>: I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole.
<<Lucky bastard>>: You have no idea. I concluded today that no one has as good a life as I do right now.
<<what would you learn in it that you haven't learned in all these years of being white, surrounded mostly by white people, and usually studying white people in school?>>: Yeah, you're probably right. But it seems a lot of the stuff about influence/oppression/etc for asians/women/whatever are covered in regular history. My history course spent a lot of time talking about women's suffrage, manzanar, etc.
<<try and make me>>: I was just kidding. I don't want you to be quiet, I just felt it was an appropriate response to your "chick" comment.
<<he's not, as we are geeks>>: Speak for yourself. Some of us are capable of standing up to a punch.
<<A stereotype. I see>>: A stereotype? I'll tell you what, you develop a program, on your own time, outside of school. For fun or profit, either one. I'll send you a bug report and we'll see how you react.
<<fighting one stereotype with another>>: I'm sorry, were you not just saying how women are afraid that guys are going to rape them if we're too forward?
<<That's exactly what stupid people say in response to big words>>: My bad.
<<Unless they've got spiky things at the ends>>: Ouch.
<<We didn't realize that the vacuum created by its loss would be filled by stupidity>>: Of course you didn't. Because you have no foresight.

Gside: <<@#!$ group members>>: I hate them too.
<<cap, gown, and hood>>: I went the cheap route.
<<Subcultures>>: Good call.
<<You expected us to do something smart>>: And now that we let them vote, they have no business complaining.

DPH: <<that's a crack at Demona's actions during "Long Way To Morning">>: It's a crack at many villains.
<<Is this the fortress within the fortress or the exterior fortress?>>: Exterior. No reason to let them in.
<<When they're writing a video game and need a way to determine who is the best player>>>: Still subtraction.
<>: Thanks. It's not bad, if I do say so myself.
<<Isn't that asking for a lawsuit if parents refuse to pay for women's sports?>>: No. Private funding.

198. I will remember that any vulnerabilities I have are to be revealed strictly on a need-to-know basis. I will also remember that no one needs to know.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Saturday, May 17, 2003 03:33:02 AM
IP: 67.118.128.27

Ravyn - Happy birthday!!

Imzadi - <Why do women think that all guys are rapists?> There's a group of women who think all sex between men and women is rape. Quite a few years ago, a group of women stuck a group of men saying they were potential rapists. The guys sued because of the accusatory tone of the poster. Oh, that's a crack at Demona's actions during "Long Way To Morning". <Its not against the law to sell ferret food, and many people illegally have ferrets. I fail to see the problem here.> No problem there. It provides an easy way for police to track down those criminals, although my logical side thinks it's a rather stupid situation. <196. I will hire an expert marksman to stand by the entrance to my fortress. His job will be to shoot anyone who rides up to
challenge me.> Is this the fortress within the fortress or the exterior fortress? <Either that or it was an April Fool's joke that shipped late, just like their
other products> Probably a late April Fool's joke that was stuck because they were using their own software to send email through their own servers. <When do CS majors care about math beyond the addition and subtract of 1, and multiplication for converting to hex or binary?> When they're writing a video game and need a way to determine who is the best player. <Otherwise, their history would be a subset of the history that everyone ELSE studies.> There's the problem. World History classes should be all-inclusive, leaving room for other classes to cover events in more detail. <Programming is very much an art and as far as I've seen it has NEVER been refined into a science. A science has a predictable pattern for creation and results (and more importantly, the scientific method applies), and programming doesn't have that at all.> That explains all the bugs in programs: those people don't consentrate on logic. <Colleges are repositories of unused learning.> I must add that statement to a list of quotes to keep.

Lain - Inflatable churches just sounds plain tacky to me. I mean, they can use tents for pete's sake like they did in the old days.

Mooncat - <9 With great power comes great destruction. And high insurance rates.> And lower ones too. Wolverine wouldn't be apt to get cancer, would he? Surely Jean Grey would use her power to keep her from getting an STD, right?

Spacebabie - <They are getting rid of sports unless the parents pay for them.> Isn't that asking for a lawsuit if parents refuse to pay for women's sports? <Although If I were in band or drama club I�d be nervous they would cut that next.> Nervous isn't the right word. I'd start fund raising for those departments right away to be pre-emptive.

Dezi - <In response to team names like Redskins or Indians, they named their school mascot "Fighting Whitie" and it is a white guy in a business suit with a brief case. > Hey, what does it take to get that college playing sports against any other college? With a team mascot like that, I'd figure lots of groups of people would be lining up just to play against them just to see the mascot.

Gabriel - <What I implied was that White men have made the majority of *important* Western History, which isn't to say that non-white male history isn't important.> I'd like to add a couple of comments. My music appreciation class focused on music from Europe. The book used devotes one chapter at the end of the book to non-Western music. In my World History II class, I would be hard-pressed to count the amount of time not spent dealing with events in Europe. Seriously, what's the difference between a European history class and a world history class? I took a world history class to learn about events across the globe, not on the single continent of Europe.

Bud-Clare - <History and other majors would need to be less biased> They should be. I expect a general history class not to be focused on a single landmass. If you tell me that can't be accomplished, let me tell you that my world history class spent 3 class periods dealing with the French Revolution.

Lain - <except when your prof is a militant feminist and refuses to even utter the word "man"> Hmm. I have a friend who would probably enjoy dealing with that teacher.

Gunjack - <Heck, how about right now?> Thanks. Will the apple still be in one piece about hitting the target with your weapon?

Naimhgold - <it can be a tough battle, i'm sure, but you're obviously hanging in there, which is awesome and commendable.> Thanks. I got a new advisor at college because of the way MIS is being handled. I plan on visiting the counselling area after picking up the forms for financial aid for the fall.

Imzadi - I had a teacher who did that with a college writing class. That lead to the meltdown I had during that summer of college which lead to really bad grades which is the reason I'm on academic probation right now. Any teacher who does that deserves to be fired, IMO. [If class time is a problem for covering material, increase the reading assignments and use lots of quizs to ensure the extra reading occurs.]

Silvadel - < The "really smart" tend to get bored and this has a negative impact> That's why I avoided the intro to computers class.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:50:36 AM
IP: 204.94.193.22

*mew*

just came back from seeing Matrix 2 for the second time (went yesterday as well) -- but this time it was with a group and we had a nice discussion of it afterwards at Brahms with ICE CREAM *^_^* wheeee!!!!

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on the second showing (in the ow, my neck hurts from watching it two rows from the screen on the far end) I gave it a lot more thought as I watched. Anyone else wonder if there is special significance to Persephone's kiss, and the lipstick she applied right before her lip lock with Neo? After all, if her hubby could slip something special in an innocent dessert, I'm sure Persephone could do something far more insidious and subtle. Plus, I'm sure she was watching her hubby through the mirror of the mens room into the ladies. I'm almost positive.

The twins. Love their special effects look.

and lastly there was a large discussion on wether the level we think is reality in the Matrix is just another level of Matrix. The Russian doll effect.

Afterwards we did an impromptu impressions of Ted (of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure) finding out he is the One. "Dude! Excellent!" warping the minds of our group who hadn't realized the lead actors were the same guy.

waiting for the next movie.

Spoiler end.

ack... so tired... want to pass out on the comfy keyboard.

later
mc
>^,,^<
Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:33:45 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Got two more grades today, both rather good. All that's left is software engineering, @#!$ group members.
Also picked up my cap, gown, and hood.

Imzadi> <>: Not all programmers are software engineers. Software engineering is a defined system to help large groups working on large projects have a common frame of reference. The programming is just a bit at the end.
<<Family circle is more like it>>: No inbreeding, though. Perhaps family heap, or maybe family DAG (directed acyclic graph).
<<You don't eat 8 cheeseburgers a day, do you?>>: If they're small, I call two a meal, without much side.
<<Congrats>>: Thank you.
<<Dynamic vs. static forces is the real difference>>: True, but I was just talking about the words, not the fields associated with them.
<<5/2?>>: Should have been 5/6.
<<Why would I need that?>>: It's good to have a loyal person who can say they are you with a straight face.

Ravyn> Happy birthday.

Leo> <<Just some replies>>: I made you change your color?

Bud Clare> <<It may sound interesting (or whatever), but in reality, it's mildly traumatizing>>: There is always someone ready to buy anything, especially anything fetishistic.
<<what would you learn in it that you haven't learned in all these years of being white, surrounded mostly by white people, and usually studying white people in school?>>: Subcultures. The actual divisions between brits, newfies, the immigrant areas of New York. Though I believe mostly women take women's studies, and mostly blacks taking black studies.
<<Unless they've got spiky things at the ends>>: Depends on how pointy the spiky things are.
<<That'd be cool. Schools should have that>>: Psych does also look at normal people. Is abnormal psych a full on specialization?
<<In what way?>>: At least at Rutgers, it isn't its own major. It's only in two classes, one for each department.
<<We didn't realize that the vacuum created by its loss would be filled by stupidity>>: You expected us to do something smart?

Na zdorov'ya.

Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, May 16, 2003 10:46:43 PM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Niamhgold> <<Be sure to bring personal dv cam.>>
You've obviously never seen that particluar sight. Be sure that you keep it that way. (There was a documentary on the Discovery Health channel once... It may sound interesting (or whatever), but in reality, it's mildly traumatizing. Some things were not meant to be see by human eyes.)

<<Emotionally stunted men, then, must look at us emotionally chaotic women the same way a young child looks at "big words" in consternation>>
*snickers*

<<In either case, I've got action figures!>>
That's the spirit!
*****************
Josh> <<This just in: I'VE GRADUATED!>>
Lucky bastard. Congratulations. :)

<<My point was that any special interest group can be easily stereotyped.>>
Uh-huh. It's neat the way you've totally avoided the question. If you were to take some kind of white culture course, what would you learn in it that you haven't learned in all these years of being white, surrounded mostly by white people, and usually studying white people in school? Honestly, I'd like to know.

<<Quiet, woman.>>
Ha, try and make me.

<<but once you do he's as frail as any of us.>>
No, he's not, as we are geeks.

<<Engineers take responsibility for their actions.>>
Ah. A stereotype. I see.

<<Not everyone has to have an eating disorder to be skinny. Some people are just skinny.>>
Yes, but some people do have eating disorders. And some other people are just damn close to having one (i.e. eating nothing but salads for fear of gaining a pound). And telling someone to eat a sandwich obviously isn't going to hurt them one way or the other, is it? :P

<<You can have chivalry or you can have equal treatment. You can't have it both ways.>>
Or either way, in some cases. I nearly smacked a guy once for calling me "honey" while I was trying to write him a parking ticket.

<<Why do women think that all guys are rapists?>>
Oo... fighting one stereotype with another. Brilliant.

<<Some of us have better things to do than go to jail.>>
*snorts* Yeah, cuz _so_ many rapists actually go to jail.

<<We do, for about 15 years. Then we say "they're stupid" and continue with our business.>>
What a coincidence... That's exactly what stupid people say in response to big words. :P
*******************
Gside> <<The tails are a plus for themselves.>>
Unless they've got spiky things at the ends.

<<Yes, but that's more of a nutjob studies.>>
That'd be cool. Schools should have that. :P

<<That hasn't quite gotten to be a field on its own, is schools, at least.>>
*blinks* In what way?

<<The women asked for it.>>
We didn't realize that the vacuum created by its loss would be filled by stupidity.
**************
Fire Storm> <<(Oh, I am SO going to get flamed for that!)>>
No, we just ignore you when you say stupid things.
**************
Ravyn> Happy Birthday!
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, May 16, 2003 02:31:25 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Robert Stack passed away yesterday. :(

Just some replies............

Ravyn:<<A guy a few seats down from me actually said, "Oh, HELL no!" when Tom Cruise showed up>>HaHa I said the exact same thing when I saw that, and I think there was a collective grone from half the audience as well. <<Although I felt completely shocked when that "To Be Concluded" flashed on the screen at the end>> ***small spoiler*** Did you stay for the "Matrix Revolution" trailer at the end of the credits? ***end small spoiler***
and Happy Birthday.

Josh:<<This just in: I'VE GRADUATED!>> <<I'm sure I'll pass. And if I don't...it'll be fun to explain to my graduate program.>> So it's not quite official yet, at least not until you pick up your diploma. :)<<You're obviously just bitter because you're fat.>> She's not fat, she's just big boobed. 8-)<<Some people are just skinny.>> But there's a difference between 'skinny' and 'skelletal'. << No, I don't think I do.>> Joooiiin Uuuussss <<I'm a lesbian. Have been for years>> Interesting you should say that. I just saw a show on the Discovery Channel where a guy got a sex change but 'she' still perferred women.

Spacebabie:<<so she can suck him dry of his mutant power>>Did I detect an implied pause between 'dry' and 'of'? :)<<I�m a gay man in a woman�s body myself.>>I think that's only true if you like 'bi!�h' guys. :p

Leo
Friday, May 16, 2003 01:36:53 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

ravyn>> WOOHOO!!!! happy birfday!!!! :)
lain
Friday, May 16, 2003 12:27:40 PM
IP: 65.93.77.31

Sunshineangel> I completely agree with your assessment of the trailers ... you should have heard the theater I was in laugh when The Last Samurai preview came on. A guy a few seats down from me actually said, "Oh, HELL no!" when Tom Cruise showed up ... that was pretty hilarious. :)

****Slight Matrix Reloaded Spoilers Ahead!!!****

As for the Matrix ... it will not disappoint! Doesn't have quite the power of the first movie, but *definitely* tells an awesome story and has tremendously cool action scenes. And I'm a sucker for cool couples, and the Trinity/Neo romance in the movie was really really cool ... I love Trinity, and was just about crying at the end (as were a few of the other folks in the theater ...) but I'm glad that ended up okay. Although I felt completely shocked when that "To Be Concluded" flashed on the screen at the end ... they can't leave me hanging like that!!! ;) Ah, well. At least they didn't leave it hanging about 5 minutes earlier, when Trinity ... y'know. Don't want to give too much away for folks who haven't seen the movie yet. ;) But I'm eagerly awaiting the conclusion, and I can't wait to go see Reloaded again!!!

In closing, Trinity rules, and I loved the way she just kicked ass. I really loved her jealousy and obvious dislike of Persephone, and her "If you touch me, you will never touch anything again" attitude.

And the Twins are just plain scary ...

****End Matrix Spoilers****

Well, now I'm off to think about the fact that it's my 21st birthday ...
Ravyn
Friday, May 16, 2003 12:11:07 PM
IP: 12.163.118.122

Imzadi: <That would depend on the woman>
Ah, the only ones (or one) I see on a regular basis that I pay attention to are quite smooth and pleasant to look at.
<What about women with big hips and fat asses?>
Hmm... Well, unlike Ross and whoever wrote that song, I do NOT like big butts (and that ain't no lie!).
BUT remember: I am talking about female HUMANS, not whales!
(Oh, I am SO going to get flamed for that!)
**Pulls out marshmellows**
Fire Storm
Friday, May 16, 2003 02:28:26 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Well, its all over. At least for a few months. I'm flying home tomorrow morning bright and early, and I get to spend a week in LA mooching off various family members. The perfect end to a most excellent education.

My last final was fair. A bit tough, but not impossible. I'm sure I'll pass. And if I don't...it'll be fun to explain to my graduate program.

Bud-Clare: <<therefore making your "clever" deflection ridiculous>>: My point was that any special interest group can be easily stereotyped.
<<Is that confusing?>>: No.
<<Or does it live with your parents?>>: Yes.
<<trying to kill someone with an oreo>>: Choking.
<<It's for my hamster, honest. He just _thinks_ he's a ferret>>: LOL.
<<Except for the "chick" bit>>: Quiet, woman.
<<Since when?>>: I frequently see them get knocked around. Granted, its tough to actually get close enough to cyclops to hit him, but once you do he's as frail as any of us.
<<Are software engineers called SoftEs?>>: I refuse to call programmers "software engineers". Engineers take responsibility for their actions. Programmers say "its a bug, deal with it" or "I'll fix it when I get around to it."
<<Were you serious?>>: No.

Lynati: <<Nocturne is kinda hot>>: No idea who that is.
<<that reminds me of this one Kurt/Bobby slash fic I read the other day>>: You people are sick.

Fire Storm: <<Everything is so... smooth>>: That would depend on the woman.
<<Nothing sticks out awkwardly>>: What about women with big hips and fat asses?

Todd: <<she's a telepath; there's no way that he's going to be able to keep any infidelity on his part hidden from her>>: Yes, but she's not a very good telepath.
<<second series that Frank Paur has worked on where, at the end of the second season, the protagonists get exposed to the world, their home gets blown up, and one of the main villains involved in the disaster is a blue-skinned red-haired female with a decidedly psychopathic temperament>>: Very profound.
<<think of the family tree that you'll be having for in-laws>>: Family circle is more like it.

Lain: <<inflatable church>>: Random.

Spacebabie: <<my mother is going to Yahoo chatrooms>>: Maybe she'll get her own internet stalker.
<<If image means sticking my finger down my throat and smoking crack till I look like a female version of skeletor then no I don?t care about that>>: You're obviously just bitter because you're fat. Not everyone has to have an eating disorder to be skinny. Some people are just skinny. They don't do drugs. It's just the way they are. You don't eat 8 cheeseburgers a day, do you?
<<if she just wanted to do it so she can suck him dry of his mutant power>>: She can do that by touching him.
<<You need to read some more NC-17 garg fics>>: No, I don't think I do.

Niamhgold: <<Bruce the shark>>: What kind of name is that for a shark?
<<those of my chivalry-deprived generation>>: Don't give me that chivalry crap. You can have chivalry or you can have equal treatment. You can't have it both ways.
<<glazed doughnuts and butt massages>>: That sounds really dirty.
<<Emotionally stunted men, then, must look at us emotionally chaotic women the same way a young child looks at "big words" in consternation>>: We do, for about 15 years. Then we say "they're stupid" and continue with our business.
<>: Fulfilling it?
<<what of female artists>>: Mostly worthless.
<<Being a supporter of capitalist gains, shouldn't you embrace a medium that primarily supports advertising?>>: Because advertising is annoying.
<<some girls are going to worry about being raped>>: Why do women think that all guys are rapists? Some of us have better things to do than go to jail. Plus, most of us are confident enough to move on to the next girl if we get rejected.
<<hose sounds DO seem to permeate everything>>: Makes it impossible to film.

Gside: <<taking the final pushed my distributed systems up to an A>>: Congrats.
<<The tails are a plus for themselves>>: True, but it doesn't do much for me.
<<mechanical sounds more related to forces than civil>>: Dynamic vs. static forces is the real difference.
<<Which is why you should get a bypass on kinematics in normal physics>>: Agreed.
<<Whether you need the E&M and relativity is something else>>: Definitely a waste of time.
<<Not any more, apparently>>: Very true.
<<Five fifths>>: 5/2?
<<will he also be a professional liar>>: Why would I need that?
<<The women asked for it>>: They sure did.

By the time I next speak to you, I'll be in sunny Los Angeles. Forecasted high for tomorrow: 79 degrees.

197. I will explain to my Legions of Terror that guns are ranged weapons and swords are not. Anyone who attempts to throw a sword at the hero or club him with a gun will be summarily executed.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Friday, May 16, 2003 02:14:27 AM
IP: 66.125.229.0

I'm now sleeping somewhere elsein preparation for graduation. Also got one grade back, taking the final pushed my distributed systems up to an A. But that was the easiest.

Leo> <<You mean Revel>>: So may short posts with the same color in a row.
<<Here's a nice polka for you>>: Pretty good. Can't quite be sure what the other language is. Probably the lack of an accent.

Imzadi> <>: The tails are a plus for themselves.
<<Don't you dare confuse us or I shall have to drop a building on you>>: I do know the difference, but mechanical sounds more related to forces than civil.
<<But then I wound up with "statics" and "dynamics", which is just more physics>>: Which is why you should get a bypass on kinematics in normal physics. Whether you need the E&M and relativity is something else.
<<you're done with exams and I'm still 18 hours off>>: Not any more, apparently.
<<Thus not making it a surprise, no?>>: My point. We don't have to expect to lose a certain amount of blood over any period of time.
<>: Right, but you don't do CS. You do CivE.
<<Then your plan has only half succeeded>>: Five fifths. It completely succeeded two previous times.
<>: But will he also be a professional liar, or just a straight marksman?

Bud Clare> <<they could teach militia culture>>: Yes, but that's more of a nutjob studies. Anyone can start a militia, and they frequently do in third world countries.
<<Sounds like it requires a form of meditation involving porn>>: They're interlinked. It's unsure which comes first.
<<Sheep. Baaah>>: Heretic, I am a believer in the one true Adams.
<<We were discussing "white culture" as opposed to "asian culture" and such... which is _not_ gender specific>>: It was more X Studies. And Women's Studies is a rather prevalent field.
<<It's for my hamster, honest. He just _thinks_ he's a ferret>>: Now the giraffe feed is for the ferret.
<<Are software engineers called SoftEs?>>: That hasn't quite gotten to be a field on its own, is schools, at least.

Lain> <<is this not the stupidest thing EVER?>>: Not until someone tries to get two blow up dolls married inside it.

Spacebabie> <<But we are coated in soft curves and have FEMALE equipmen>>: Right, the female body makes up for the gay man mentality.
<<By the hosts providing knives>>: I am referring to a time before such things happened.

Niamhgold> <<I'm also excited about the new line of Justice League action figures>>: Let me guess. The first one you'll pick up will be Hawkgirl.
<<Be sure to bring personal dv cam>>: I don't want to leave whoever finds my body with just nightmares. Might as well give them something profitable out of it.
<<It is done>>: Why'd you go and listen to me for?
<<Only those who breach the lol^4 threshold will be informed>>: Is it something I want to breach?
<<So you make your own?>>: I have been known to on occaison. The last time was probably for that raspberry chocolate bavarian.
<<Extra cookie points>>: Yee ha.
<<chivalry-deprived generation>>: The women asked for it.
<<Viking raid! Viking raid>>: And maybe we can also pick up some spam.
<<Emotionally stunted men, then, must look at us emotionally chaotic women the same way a young child looks at "big words" in consternation>>: Nah, as long as we get what we want, we just let it slide.
<<And what of female artists>>: Too common.
<<And what of female conservative/geek artists>>: The geek pushes the rarity up, causing an increase in demand.
<<which most guys don't have to worry about when being asked out by a woman>>: Maybe we should.
<<it's always my dad who's being yelled at for the spontaneous purchases and impractical decisions>>: While it's true my father gets many more toys, he can't get anything without a consultation first. He doesn't even get to hold any cash.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Friday, May 16, 2003 12:14:34 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

This just in: I'VE GRADUATED!

More later.
Josh
Thursday, May 15, 2003 07:59:24 PM
IP: 66.125.229.0

Voting for the April contest of MGC ends on teh april topic tonight! If you haven't voted yet, do so now! :D

Also, we're still accepting submissions for TV show Parodies. :D So feel free to email us at ekkapinto@yahoo.com! :D with your submissions!

and..I can't think of anything more constructive to say right now. ^_^:;;

Siryn - [<--Monthly Gargoyles Art Contest]
Thursday, May 15, 2003 07:38:11 PM
IP: 66.66.97.209

Oops, sorry about that "N" thing.

In any case, it's been pretty quiet around here. I've been working on some illustration paintings and trying to get all of my appointments (physician, optometrist, dentist, you name-em-I've-got-em) in order. One last "rejection" letter today from Firaxis games, but I don't much care since my best bud, who completely deserves the job, got it ;)

I will hopefully see Reloaded tomorrow, and I'm looking forward to Finding Nemo. Not as much as I was when I thought that the little character Pearl was a jellyfish (it's actually an octopus, as the cool plush toys indicate), but still excited about it. And Bruce the shark looks very cool. I'm also excited about the new line of Justice League action figures due out in June, just in time for my job's "comic book Wednesdays" :)

Ugh, now if only I won't melt in Balteeeemore this summer...;)

Replies:
Gside: <Excellent. Must cave personal nook in giant phalus.> Be sure to bring personal dv cam. <They are, but I'd say spades go better with fey than clubs go with upperclass> It is done ;) <What's this threshold to which you refer?> Only those who breach the lol^4 threshold will be informed. <But I leave my whipped cream in the mixing bowl.> Wow. So you make your own? Extra cookie points! <What man cares about the earning potential of their females?> Sadly, those of my chivalry-deprived generation ;) <You'd think, but depending on the man...> True. Between glazed doughnuts and butt massages... <Why trash a secret lab if you can ransack it?> Viking raid! Viking raid! <

Bud-Clare: <Has it occurred to you that you just haven't been exposed to other cultures enough to have the faintest idea what you're talking about?> And it's so true. I have had *one* professor who bothers to bring in art produced in other cultures for the soul sake of their own cultures/customs, and the sad thing is that even when they do it's incorrectly analyzed due to European Orientalist views. <I'm both. Is that confusing?> Hehe. Emotionally stunted men, then, must look at us emotionally chaotic women the same way a young child looks at "big words" in consternation ;)

Imzadi: <It must have a really cool subject> And, as the artist, I have the benefit of fulfilling the *omitted* half of that portrait >;) <Did I mention that I hate you? > I've lost count <You're insane> I don't think I'll ever be graced with sleep again. <THANK YOU!> De nada. <What's really amazing is that you still got a 3.95> That was from last year. Still the same crap from my peers this year, but at least my profs realize I put time and effort into everything. <Turn of the century?> The car is a highly disputed stretch ;) <She's gonna run out of room for all you art hippies> Look, if it gets my hippy friends outta MY house, I don't care ;) < "Female geeks remain a hot commodity until 30 minutes after clinical death. Longer if its a warm day."> And what of female artists. And what of female conservative/geek artists (if it's not an oxymoron)? <Its a good filter> Playing with toys is good :) <We were here first> And you had your chances to do something useful. And you didn't. Therefore, the commercial entertainment industry took over. Being a supporter of capitalist gains, shouldn't you embrace a medium that primarily supports advertising? <Of COURSE the guy wants to sleep with her, why else would he ask her out?> And many times a girl is thinking about having sex with a guy on the same token. But if the guy's too blunt, too open about that and makes it clear that's what he expects, some girls are going to worry about being raped, which most guys don't have to worry about when being asked out by a woman. ;) < Either way, I stand to make a lot of money by not going> True. In my case it's a lack of stuff I'll have to do on weekends ;) <Now justify female behavioral patterns> Different. Obviously. <Never seen that before> When my classmates have been smoking too much whatnot, you should see them attempt to operate chairs with those arm-trays ;) <Yes, because women are SO normal and reasonably behaved!> I don't know where that comes from; in my household, it's always my dad who's being yelled at for the spontaneous purchases and impractical decisions ;) In Chris's family, her dad is the one who cooks and has emotional breakdowns while her mom brings the bacon home from Pfizer ;) <And a huge chunk of the day was wasted because of a CHIMES RECITAL at the campus tower> LOL. I think I remember hearing those once. Those sounds DO seem to permeate everything ;) <Now all you need is another gay man. Should be plenty around MICA> No, see, I need a straight man because I look like a woman--if it were a gay man, he'd be fucked up by the fact that I appear female ;) <what could they teach us about women that isn't already broadcast on "Sex and the City"?> There are reasons why men who watch shows like that don't have dates. Or maybe the reason I'll never have a date is because I don't watch shows like that. In either case, I've got action figures! :)

Aingeal: <hugs people again:: Missed y'all...> Welcome back!

Warpmind: <Anyone here read Watchmen> Great graphic novel; it's required reading in my sequential art class. That, and of course Dark Knight Returns, the Spirit (I could do without that), and some weird stuff by Chris Ware.

Adios
Niamhgold
Thursday, May 15, 2003 05:21:41 PM
IP: 24.53.122.119

...
N
Thursday, May 15, 2003 04:38:29 PM
IP: 24.53.122.119

It�s scary that my mother is going to Yahoo chatrooms. She�s going to the American Idol chatroom. Yup she�s addicted. Justin was on last night and while I was getting ready to watch the Left Wing and work on a fic at the same time I heard her call me out the room.

�Oh Justin �Yum�

I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT!!!! Not coming from my mother.

She also loves Clay.

We got some rain last night.

Tonight is the night of the Lunar Eclipse folks.

Niahmgold<<<Hey, who would've thought? I'm also a gay man trapped inside a women's body ;) >>>Yes bring on the naked men.

Mooncat<<<4 Nobody Dies Forever.>>>Except for Uncle Ben and Buckey

Gside<<<But I don't want to have sex with gay men. But then the body has a lot to do with it.>>>But we are coated in soft curves and have FEMALE equipment. <<<How else would you have cut your food?>>>By the hosts providing knives.<<<Going back to the porn: is that so bad?>>>Um no

Josh<<<Charming.>>>At least it wasn�t a hairball<<<Sure, Oreo's are bad for children. But guns, tobacco, and alcohol? Those get to stay. Not that I'm in favor of banning any of those, mind you.>>>Not to mention medicinal weed. <<<Its not against the law to sell ferret food,>>>That is what I said. It�s against the law to own one�but it�s okay to sell the food.<<<Some people care about their image.>>>If image means sticking my finger down my throat and smoking crack till I look like a female version of skeletor then no I don�t care about that.<<<Jean must have been thrilled.>>>Not if she saw him when he took it off.
Scott �Iiii-mmmmmm sssooooo c-c-c-c-old-d-d.�
Jean. �I can see that�<<<No, that'd be cheating. >>>Not if she just wanted to do it so she can suck him dry of his mutant power<<<Not with those teeth she doesn't.>>>You need to read some more NC-17 garg fics

Lynati<<<that reminds me of this one Kurt/Bobby slash fic >>>Where?

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Thursday, May 15, 2003 04:03:47 PM
IP: 209.244.144.15

is this not the stupidest thing EVER?
lain - [<<-- heh heh..]
Thursday, May 15, 2003 01:00:23 PM
IP: 65.93.77.31

Sorry for the double post! Skin me alive later as retrobution for my disobeidence later.

Okay, correction, so I wasnt the first for the posting of Matrix Reloaded but it was still good and Ruben WILL win Amer. Idol!

Bye!
Sunshineangel
ATL
Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:13:50 PM
IP: 12.13.176.70

Hey Everyone!

This time around I promise not to just pop in and be the first to give a Matrix Reloaded spoiler...hint hint. This time I actually want to say, Hi! How you doin'?

Anyway, enough pleasantries*****Matrix Reloaded spoiler****

It was great. Very complex, as to be expected, and the fight scenes were incredible to say the least. Mr. Smith comes back with a vengence, multiple vengence :D Neo goes "Batter Up!" a few times in the playground and the wanna be French guy was funny! I cant remember his name but he is a programmer. Anyway, there was one hokey scene that they could have narrarated through in my little opinion but it was good that they put it at the beginning of the story. Jada aka Nairobi was lame. I was expecting more out of her. Maybe they will do more with her later. The ending was shattering to say the least. Cant wait for December when they come out with part 3 if you didnt already know. Go see the movie to find out why.

Awesome, awesome film. No new special effects but enough of the others to keep you amply entertained. The other trailers were good too. For some reason "Finding Nemo" is finally beginning to look funny. Bad Boys II look hot and T3 was mildly applauded. And imagine Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai. I think Samurai Jack should do hara-kiri and end his life from that one but we will see.:)

Favorite line: from the frency programmer: "Okay so you have some skill."

****End Matrix Reloaded Spoiler*****

Bye guys!! Go see it!! Dang, I think this is the most I've said at any one time in this place. Ewww, not good. Ruining my little known reputation as the silent, peeping type. Hunh?
Sunshineangel - [sunshineange1973@hotmail.com]
ATL, GA, USA!
Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:06:13 PM
IP: 12.13.176.70

Actually, if Scott's cheating on Jean, then he really must be not too bright. After all, she's a telepath; there's no way that he's going to be able to keep any infidelity on his part hidden from her.

JOSH - Re the X-Men: Evolution episode that you mentioned; the thing that really spooks me here is that this is the second series that Frank Paur has worked on where, at the end of the second season, the protagonists get exposed to the world, their home gets blown up, and one of the main villains involved in the disaster is a blue-skinned red-haired female with a decidedly psychopathic temperament.

One good reason not to marry a Summers: think of the family tree that you'll be having for in-laws. :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, May 15, 2003 09:27:18 AM
IP: 171.75.194.2

Spacebabie: <I�m a gay man in a woman�s body myself>
I have to agree with Josh on this one. I am a scorned lesbian in a mans body. I find the male form unintersting (and occasionally disgusting), including my own, and TRULY enjoy the beautiful form and curves of the female body. Everything is so... smooth. Nothing sticks out awkwardly (Well... overly big breasts, but they are silly anyway), everything is curvy...

BUT LM isn't a lesbian, so I guess fate worked out well when they made me a male.

Catch up post... yeah right.
Fire Storm
Thursday, May 15, 2003 06:17:23 AM
IP: 66.72.180.95

Mooncat: [The best look on a man is blue and furry, and prehensile tails are a plus.]
Amen to that. *thumbs in the direction of the Nightcrawler-chibi sitting on her shoulder* Look what followed me home. ;)
and shouldn't #8 be "don't date ANY Summers"?

Josh: [I can't say the same is true for women.]
I dunno, Nocturne is kinda hot...'tho the artists can't seem to decide whether she has a tail or not, it vanishes, like, every other panel.

[<<Bobby would have frozen his underwear>> Good for the sperm count] you know, that reminds me of this one Kurt/Bobby slash fic I read the other day, and- oh, nevermind...
Lynati
Thursday, May 15, 2003 04:24:29 AM
IP: 65.66.157.7

Gside> <<Depends on the faction.>>
Oo, they could teach militia culture... ;)

<<But did you really use the calc in your CS courses?>>
Not when I can help it. It has come up lately, but I took calc a long time ago, so my eyes just glazed over until it was done.

<<When you discover the relaxing nature of simplicity.>>
Sounds like it requires a form of meditation involving porn...

<<Because that is how He defined the first Wonko the Sane, and all others must follow in his mold.>>
Sheep. Baaah.
***************
Josh> <<That's awfully stereotypical.>>
If you say so.

<>
Oh, that's the same situation exactly. Why didn't I see it before? *rolls eyes* We were discussing "white culture" as opposed to "asian culture" and such... which is _not_ gender specific, therefore making your "clever" deflection ridiculous.
(It'd be like Hermione taking Muggle Studies... in a muggle school. Explain to me the point.)

<<When you can't get a date.>>
Right...

<>
I'm both. Is that confusing? :P

<<My roommate is allergic to cats, and a cat can't pay half the rent. Guess who stays?>>
I thought that you had a cat. Or does it live with your parents? Or is it imaginary? :P

<<Sure, Oreo's are bad for children. But guns, tobacco, and alcohol? Those get to stay.>>
*L* I now have a mental imagine of trying to kill someone with an oreo. They sure are dangerous.

<<Its not against the law to sell ferret food, and many people illegally have ferrets. I fail to see the problem here.>>
Teehee. The police can stake out the pet stores and crack down on people buying ferret food. "It's for my hamster, honest. He just _thinks_ he's a ferret."

<<He'd never say that, even as a threat.>>
Mainly because the mental image that creates would punish the innocent bystanders more than it would Cyclops.

<<She's a chick who can program. Sounds like a freak to me!>>
Thank you. (Except for the "chick" bit...)

<<For all their powers, most X-men are in poor physical shape.>>
Since when?

<<First, I'm a CivE.>>
Hmm... Are software engineers called SoftEs? *evil laugh*

<<Yes, but you're done with exams and I'm still 18 hours off.>>
I'm not done until Wednesday, so I hate all of you. Or I would, if I weren't too busy trying to finish a paper, a project, and prepare for a presentation, all by 2 p.m. When I get a spare moment, I'll have to remember to kick myself for screwing off all weekend.

<<Convincing shouldn't be required. It's a fact.>>
*screams with laughter* Oh, I'm sorry... Were you serious?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, May 15, 2003 03:27:40 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

A non-productive day of non-studying. I asked my prof some questions, read through some stuff, but overall I understand no more than I did yesterday. All I know is that this time around I'm not going to try and "outsmart" the prof. Got me into trouble last time.

Bud Clare: <<That _is_ strange>>: If you say so.
<<what would they teach about white culture that everyone doesn't already know?>>: That's awfully stereotypical. I counter with: what could they teach us about women that isn't already broadcast on "Sex and the City"?
<<it would still be stupid>>: Agreed.
<>: So do I, but what do I know? I'm an engineer, after all.
<<And before that?>>: An embryo.
<<When will I not say it?>>: When you can't get a date.
<>: LOL
<<We don't just eat, sleep, and breathe code>>: The programmers I know do. Now if only they could do it BETTER.
<>: To other men. I rarely find women confusing. Just emotionally chaotic. As opposed to men, who are emotionally stunted. And enjoying it.
<<you know that you would have taken it in, too>>: My roommate is allergic to cats, and a cat can't pay half the rent. Guess who stays?

Ravyn: <<laughs really really hard for a long time** Hee hee>>: I didn't need to know that.

Todd: <<I'm not sure that the Scarlet Witch episode makes that point>>: Well if that doesn't, the one I saw today sure does (2nd episode of the introduction of the sentinels, blown up mansion).

Spacebabie: <<nearly threw up on me>>: Charming.
<<wants to ban Oreo?s because they are harmful to children>>: Sure, Oreo's are bad for children. But guns, tobacco, and alcohol? Those get to stay. Not that I'm in favor of banning any of those, mind you.
<<it against the law to own a ferret yet sells ferret food in the stores>>: Its not against the law to sell ferret food, and many people illegally have ferrets. I fail to see the problem here.
<<Would it kill you to eat a sandwich?>>: You're just jealous. Some people care about their image.
<<that just creeped me out at the end where Lionel Luther wanted the guy?s hand>>: It was the only logical part to keep.
<<Bobby would have frozen his underwear>>: Good for the sperm count. Jean must have been thrilled.
<<Rogue would have given him a long liplock>>: No, that'd be cheating.
<<Here Scott let me help you with that Jock Itch>>: He'd never say that, even as a threat.
<<Makes you wish you had a mutant power>>: She's a chick who can program. Sounds like a freak to me!
<>: If there were a she, then she probably would be, yes.
<<You better do it fast just in case that lawyer actually wins>>: I'm not worried. Nabisco will settle this very quickly.
<<Those words are almost as bad as saying Demona sucks>>: Not with those teeth she doesn't.
<<more than a handful is wasted and less than a handful is not worth the bother>>: Agreed.

Niamhgold: <<I'm also a gay man trapped inside a women's body>>: Now all you need is another gay man. Should be plenty around MICA.

Mooncat: <<every time he and Jean have problems or she ends up dead for a while, picks up some poor girl and totally screws up her life, then drops her like a rock when Jean pops up again and crooks her little finger>>: That really sucks. But makes for great drama (see Smallville).
<<Storm wipes the floor with Scott>>: That doesn't sound too difficult. For all their powers, most X-men are in poor physical shape.
<<The best look on a man is blue and furry, and prehensile tails are a plus.>>: I can't say the same is true for women.
<<With great power comes great destruction. And high insurance rates>>: Thanks uncle ben!

Gside: <<you MechEs should probably have a shorter non kinematics physics series, since you get your forces pounded into you>>: First, I'm a CivE. Don't you dare confuse us or I shall have to drop a building on you! Second, I took E&M and Relativity as well. But then I wound up with "statics" and "dynamics", which is just more physics.
<<Why? You're the one with the job>>: Yes, but you're done with exams and I'm still 18 hours off.
<>: Thus not making it a surprise, no?
<<Depends on the progress>>: Sex and Weapons.
<<did you really use the calc in your CS courses?>>: I really use calc. I just hate doing it and it usually isn't necessary.
<<you shouldn't do such a good job convincing them of our superiority>>: Convincing shouldn't be required. It's a fact.
<<and action>>: Then your plan has only half succeeded.
<>: I'm too picky.

And now I'm off to study some more. in 18 hours, I'll be all done!

196. I will hire an expert marksman to stand by the entrance to my fortress. His job will be to shoot anyone who rides up to challenge me.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Thursday, May 15, 2003 02:14:10 AM
IP: 64.170.152.125

D'oh!! Forgot the link.
Leo - [<- "Jumpin Red" Cassidy - "My Grey Mare Polka"]
Thursday, May 15, 2003 02:13:15 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

*****************MATRIX II SPOILERS******************

Here are a few "Drive in Totals"

ONE (1) - Orgiastic Zionist Celebration
at least THREE (3) - pairs of female breasts in wet T-shirts (during "O.Z.C.")
THREE (3) - brief make-out scenes of Neo/Trinity within the first 20 minutes.
ONE (1) - extend full-on Neo/Trinity sex scene with "artistic" camera angles, Juxtaposed with scenes of "O.Z.C"
*20 wercked cars
*14 Dead Bodies
"Bullet-Time-Fu"

(*=estimated)
***************END SPOILERS**********

Gside<<<<<Leo> <<The Yoda thing you would have had to have gone to G 2002>> You mean Revel. Here's a nice polka for you. :p
Leo
Thursday, May 15, 2003 01:54:37 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Imzadi> <<intro calc and physics courses>>: I'd say my calc got used pretty well. And you MechEs should probably have a shorter non kinematics physics series, since you get your forces pounded into you.
<>: Why? You're the one with the job.
<>: Already have it.
<<Of course you do>>: See above.
<<Not if they're on the pill>>: I thought the pill increased the regularity of bloodletting.
<>: Depends on the progress. Some is a combination of the two.
<<Combine the two, like I do: Control the porn>>: I try to.
<<That sounds mean>>: It doesn't have to be sticky tape. Ace bandage type stuff would do as well.

Bud Clare> <<That _is_ strange>>: To you.
<<what would they teach about white culture that everyone doesn't already know?>>: Depends on the faction.
<<We had to take all sorts of discrete math, linear algebra, probability, statistics... and calculus>>: But did you really use the calc in your CS courses?
<<And before that?>>: Asexual, same as most people.
<<When will I not say it?>>: When you discover the relaxing nature of simplicity.
<<I've got to get me a sex change operation>>: Imzadi, you shouldn't do such a good job convincing them of our superiority.
<<Why?>>: Because that is how He defined the first Wonko the Sane, and all others must follow in his mold.

Ravyn> <<I'm so sorry!>>: Don't worry, I've just been saying that to get false sympathy and action.
<<congratulations are definitely in order>>: Well, I did make it in to the two oldest greek letter honors societies. I've also been bragging about that as much as I can.

Leo> <<The Yoda thing you would have had to have gone to G 2002>>: Which would explain why I couldn't find anything about it.

Spacebabie> <<Why would someone bring flat where a party they have been invited too?>>: How else would you have cut your food? It's not like matching flatware has always been around.
<<almost as bad as saying Demona sucks>>: Going back to the porn: is that so bad?
<<How could anyone not love Oreos?>>: I prefer many other cookies to standard oreos, but double stuff gets pumped up my list.

Niamhgold/Spacebabie> <<I'm also a gay man trapped inside a women's body>>: But I don't want to have sex with gay men. But then the body has a lot to do with it.

SRS Jr.> <<I'd feel better if I could make heads or tails out of all the numbers on these papers>>: Mine tend to come with an expected range. The problem after that is figuring out acronyms and abbreviations.

And a double mp3. A Good Time Boogie by Bluesbreakers, and by request Tijuana Jail by the Kingston Trio (which probably influenced Zevon's Lawyers, Guns, and money).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:22:00 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Oreo cookies... never will be able to outlaw them unless sugar becomes a controlled substance. Anyone who tries will look like a flaming idiot. Okay, now I have to go try the Oopsie cookies... but they just won't be oreos to me. I am happy to say my Oreo addiction is the fault of the Martian Manhunter, and the Keith Giffen Justice League run.

X-men - Well, as a reader of the comics from way back, I have a pre-desposed contempt for Scott 'squeaky clean' Summers, who every time he and Jean have problems or she ends up dead for a while, picks up some poor girl and totally screws up her life, then drops her like a rock when Jean pops up again and crooks her little finger.

Scott never really impressed me. His best scenes were the ones playing opposite Jean, who is cool enough for both of them. Without Jean he is blander than generic brand bologna. And ever since he abandoned his wife Madelyne Pryor and infant without so much as leaving a note when Jean popped up again I lost every shred of respect or liking I ever had for him. Scott Summers... ptuii..!!! His brother Havok however is kind of a hottie and totally devoted to the woman he swears his heart to. Two words. Goblin King. YUM!!!

Scott and Leadership. In a one on one battle for leadership of the X-men, Storm, stripped of her powers faces Scott who thinks just because he has his powers he is the better leader. Storm wipes the floor with Scott. yay Storm!!! Who even without her powers was twice the leader Scott ever was.

Though... I am buying the new X-men comics because of Scott's illicit relationship with Emma Frost, the former White Queen of the Hellfire Club. He's going to screw up her life though. But that seems to be his plot purpose, have a problem with Jean, turn to some other female and screw up her life, then to reunite with Jean. Since last we saw of Emma last issue was the broken shards of her diamond form, Scott may have more than screwed up her life. But I'm hopeful she's okay since she gets a six issue mini series in a couple months. White Queen! Yay! Greg Horn covers, double yay! Scott Summers... ptuii!!! Give me the younger Summers brother any day of the week.

10 things I learned from the X-men...

1 Magneto was right.

2 Wolverine kicks Ass.

3 Jean Grey Lives.

4 Nobody Dies Forever.

5 Dragons are the best pets.

6 The Danger Room Rocks!

7 The best look on a man is blue and furry, and prehensile tails are a plus.

8 Don't date Scott Summers.

9 With great power comes great destruction. And high insurance rates.

10 Hundreds if not thousands of oft-grotesque mutants can live under the streets of New York without drawing attention. (so three bat winged felinoid human mutants are no big deal)

Okay, the last two I skimmed off the Down Home Charm page... http://alykat.hispeed.com/rogue/misc/learned.shtml -- so I only really learned 8 things from the X-men. I like the sound of the last two though.

Counting the weeks until the Gathering...
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:56:37 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Greetings "Gargoyles" fans,

The Seventh Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles is just seven short weeks away, and pre-registration will be ending on June 13, 2003. We've planned an event-packed weekend that you won't want to miss. Here are a few of the highlights:

GUESTS:

Joining us in New York City will be the lovely Brigitte Bako, making her Gathering debut. "Gargoyles" fans know her best as the voice of Angela, Goliath and Demona's daughter. Fans of Japanese animation will also recognize her as the voice of Pai / Sanjiyan / Pabo / Parvati / Howasho (the demon girl with multiple personalities) in the 2000 English dub of the anim� series "3x3 Eyes." She is also the voice of Monique Dupre in the animated series "Godzilla."

On stage, Brigitte has performed in such distinguished productions as "Othello" at the Reflections Shakespeare Festival and "The Doll's House." On the big screen, she has appeared in numerous films, including "Paranoia," "Double Take," "Strange Days," "One Good Cop," and Martin Scorsese's "New York Stories." Brigitte was nominated for a Canadian Oscar for her performance in "St. Monica." Her television
appearances include the ABC series "Equal Justice," the Showtime original movies, "The Escape" and "The Red Shoe Diaries," and her role as Bianca in HBO's acclaimed series "Mind of a Married Man."

Also joining us once more are Greg Weisman, "Gargoyles" series creator & supervising producer, and Thom Adcox, the voice of Lexington. For more information on all of our guests, please visit the Guests page of our web site at:

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/guests.html

TEE SHIRTS:

The art for the official Gathering 2003 tee shirt can now be viewed at:
http://www.kantharasloft.com/temp/tshirt-g2003-small.jpg

Congratulations and thanks to Kanthara for her spectacular design. Only a limited number of shirts will be available for general sale at the convention. Don't be left out. Pre-order yours today using our registration and order form!

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/register.html

BANQUET:

A wonderful repast awaits you in the Hotel Pennsylvania's Skytop Ballroom. The buffet-style menu this year includes:

Sauteed breast of chicken w/ natural juice
Slices top sirloin of beef w/ bordelasise sauce
Stuffed filet of sole, Meuniere
Mixed greens with assorted dressing
Salad and oven-baked fresh rolls
Chef's choice of dessert
Coffee, decaffeinated coffee, and tea

To reserve your spot at the banquet, use our registration and order form:
http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/register.html

CONEY ISLAND:

The fun doesn't end at Closing Ceremonies. Join us on Sunday afternoon and evening for a trip to the world famous Astroland Amusement Park.

http://www.astroland.com/

Astroland is the home of the Coney Island Cyclone, the top-ranked wooden roller coaster in the world. "Gargoyles" fans will also recognize it as the site where the end battle took place in the second season episode "The Reckoning." The Gathering 2003 staff is taking a show of hands on who is interested. Since our group already numbers more than 15 people, it will qualify for a group discount rate of $9 per person for full admission, as compared to the normal rate of $22.

If you're going to the Gathering and you're interested in the after-con trip to Coney Island, please e-mail Patrick Toman at "ptoman@artchicks.org" and he will add your name to the list.

HOTEL REMINDER:

The Hotel Pennsylvania is filling up fast. Don't forget to book your room today!

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/location.html

PRE-REGISTRATION:

Once again: the deadline for pre-registration is June 13, 2003. Don't delay! Add your name to those Gathering for this memorable weekend.

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/register.html

Please note: after June 13, 2003, "at the door" membership rates will apply, pre-orders for t-shirts can no longer be taken, and space at the banquet will be subject to availability.

And as always, if you have any questions or concerns, feel free to contact us at: gathering@gargoyles-
Gathering 2003 Staff
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:08:39 PM
IP: 216.179.3.235

Stephen> email me if you'd like help. I don't go back on the wards until next year, but I probably remember enough from my first two years of med school to interpret your results.
Vashkoda - [vashkoda@steelclaw.org]
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:03:18 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Greetings all...

Well, the blood screen results came back today... I'd feel better if I could make heads or tails out of all the numbers on these papers... anyone with more medical knowledge around, to help me decypher this? Help would be appreciated...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 06:52:06 PM
IP: 65.35.132.55

Spacebabie: <I�m a gay man in a woman�s body myself> Hey, who would've thought? I'm also a gay man trapped inside a women's body ;) There appears to be a lot more of us than I had thought...
Niamhgold
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 05:53:37 PM
IP: 24.53.122.119

Monday night was wonderful.. Or should I say Tuesday morning. I wake up at three am to hear Vixen heaving. My silver striped tabby nearly threw up on me. So I jumped out of bed got stain remover and paper towels to clean up her mess. When I returned Spooky had nearly eaten it all.

Finished the front yard now I have to tackle :::Cue Jungle sounds::: The backyard.. Well the pool area.

Please tell me this is a hoax. There is a lawyer in California who wants to ban Oreo�s because they are harmful to children. This law wont get passed�but then again this is the state that remove �Under God� from the pledge and made it against the law to own a ferret yet sells ferret food in the stores

**********SPOILERS FOR VARIOUS SHOWS******************

Boston Public...HA Ha Justice at last. They are getting rid of sports unless the parents pay for them. Although If I were in band or drama club I�d be nervous they would cut that next.

Gargoyles Voice actor alert�Tom Wilson (Matt Bluestone) played the role of an angry parent of football player. I liked his role on ED better.

Memo to Whitney Houston: Would it kill you to eat a sandwich?

Buffy...I wanted to slap Willow for that yucky pun. That Scythe is pretty cool though. Hmmm Angel. My favorite scene in the whole show was�WHEELCHAIR FIGHT.

Smallville�Okay that just creeped me out at the end where Lionel Luther wanted the guy�s hand
**********************SPOILERS END**************

Replies
Todd<<<reminding the teacher that he forgot to assign the homework is probably not a good idea when all your classmates are mutants with super-powers.>>>heh Bobby would have frozen his underwear, and Rogue would have given him a long liplock.

Wolverine �Here Scott let me help you with that Jock Itch� Yeah I know Logan wouldn�t have been class�but he would still say something like that.

Gside �so guests wouldn't have to use their own threatening pointy knives� Why would someone bring flat where a party they have been invited too?<<<You listed Bobby twice. Though he does deserve it.>>>Oh yes he does. In this sticky hot heat anyone who can chill a soda with a wave of a hand is my hero.

Bud-Claire<<<Argh! Someone did that today! And there's only one class left, so if they hadn't opened their big mouths, we would have gotten out of it. Grr. >>>Makes you wish you had a mutant power.

Josh<<<The cursed film project is done! Now I just have my one final on Thursday and its all over. I'm graduating!>>>Congrats<<<I'm naughty.>>>I bet she�s happy.<<<On my cookie-eating list.>>>You better do it fast just in case that lawyer actually wins.<<<Probably because Prof. X. always LEFT him in charge.>>>Not always I remember an episode of the FOX series where Logan led the team through the reconstruction of the mansion(((Juggernaut trashed it))).<<<Were you laughing at me or at them?>>>Both<<<Because it sucks.>>>Hey that�s fighting words around these parts. Those words are almost as bad as saying Demona sucks.<<<Breasts should not be small enough to fit in my mouth 8-)>>>The old saying more than a handful is wasted and less than a handful is not worth the bother. <<<I'm a lesbian. Have been for years.>>>I�m a gay man in a woman�s body myself.

Revel<<<my mother loves Oreos>>>How could anyone not love Oreos?<<<*kisses* >>>That mouth I love. :::Kisses back:::

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:45:49 PM
IP: 67.28.68.82

Revel - Hmm... it seems "Arrogant Bastard" has a fan web site. And it's marketed as an "Ale."
Leo - [Arrogant Bastard]
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 01:18:40 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Gside- The Yoda thing you would have had to have gone to G 2002, when Chris Rogers did his Yoda as an RV salesman impression.
Revel One more time
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:15:04 PM
IP: 172.144.49.115

Oopse, sorry Todd. But check it out, it's pretty funny.

Leo- and for the extra mile you can Try Arrogant Bastard Beer. If nothing else, go to a liquor store and read the message on the back of the bottle, it's pretty damn funny.
Revel
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:11:47 PM
IP: 172.144.49.115

JOSH - I'm not sure that the Scarlet Witch episode makes that point, but it's been a while since I last saw it, so I could be wrong.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 07:50:43 AM
IP: 171.75.194.81

I came across this site whilst seeking truths & parused some of your previous comments. It is refreshing to know that there are persons who still possess caring concern & who have a heart as well as a mind. ;D
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ravynwings - [dharma@freethinker.zzn.com]
Denver, CO, USA
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 05:51:16 AM
IP: 65.178.208.59

Gside> <<And again I feel left out. I'll even be favoring my engineering graduation over Rutgers College graduation>> I'm so sorry!!! I didn't mean to make you feel left out. I didn't know you were graduating ... congratulations are definitely in order!!! Sorry, I've been kinda in and out of the CR lately, and haven't really been keeping track very well of what folks are up to ...

Josh> <<That's because you're a dominatrix.>> **laughs really really hard for a long time** Hee hee ... :)
<<I'm confident I could have gotten out of here a year early if I didn't have to waste all that time on humanities courses that didn't teach me anything and intro calc and physics courses.>> Yeah ... I agree.
<<That's how I made my decision. If they don't want me now, they will in a year or two, and its gonna cost them more>> Good ... sounds like that's my plan for now too ... ;)
<<Yes, but reviews I've read say it isn't very good.>> darn ... ;)
Ravyn
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:33:47 AM
IP: 150.135.118.158

Josh> <<Is that what determines your posting frequency? I had no idea.>>
In extreme cases.

<<We're not strange. We're simple.>>
That _is_ strange.

<<Kill the pig!>>
You betcha.

<<Guys don't like being laughed at.>>
Yeah, I've noticed that. I just don't care.

<<But are "white people" an American culture? No way!>>
But what would they teach about white culture that everyone doesn't already know?

<<It would fix the problem of removing the double standard.>>
There would no longer be a double standard, but it would still be stupid.

<<When do CS majors care about math beyond the addition and subtract of 1, and multiplication for converting to hex or binary?>>
We had to take all sorts of discrete math, linear algebra, probability, statistics... and calculus, obviously. While I didn't always enjoy the experience (I've always had this thing about probability, and half of my math classes were at 8 a.m.), I find the idea of _not_ taking them to be bizarre.

<<I'm a lesbian. Have been for years.>>
And before that?

<<You say that now.>>
When will I not say it?

<>
I didn't see who did it.

<<Don't do that. It's bad. >>
That's why I only considered it.

<<You don't know what you're missing. We get to pee standing up. You think its not a very big deal, but you haven't tried it.>>
Damn, I've got to get me a sex change operation.

<<Few men see themselves as poor, stupid bastards. So its a good thing we have women to keep us in our place.>>
And few women see themselves as neurotic. See how well it all works out? (Damn, I wish I hadn't made that point...)

<<That's not CS. That's EE or ME.>>
Like hell. We do study hardware, too, you know... We don't just eat, sleep, and breathe code. :P

<<They're so predictable.>>
I thought that we were confusing. :P

<< <<we gots ANOTEHR freakin cat>>: You're a sucker.>>
You're just saying that because you know that you would have taken it in, too. :P
**********************
Gside> <<Only a someone who looks like five David Bowies in a bathrobe can be Wonko the Sane.>>
Why?
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 02:21:04 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

YES! Classes are finally OVER! We finally presented our video project (it was very well received), and I discovered that my last final will be Thursday afternoon. Then, I will be free. And all will be good. For about 10 days.

Then work starts.

***SPOILERS - MULTIPLE SHOWS***

Buffy: Eh, kinda boring. The minor subplot with Dawn was lame. Buffy never did that for her mother or any other character.

Smallville: I think the point that this episode was trying was: "if women were in command of their emotions, the world wouldn't have half the problems it does". The other point was "high school students are stupid and easily manipulated...especially the female ones".

***END SPOILERS***

Todd: <<Which one was that?>>: The one where Mystique sends the Brotherhood and Scarlet Witch to the mall and the Xmen try to fight them.

Revel: <<mostly just been laying aroundenjoying not having to do much for a bit>>: Soon.
<<they test out the different pieces of equipment>>: Kinky.
<<Good luck on the drive home>>: I'm flying home, thankfully. And driving back. In my new car, apparently.
<<as a lesbian you enjoy angry girl music as well I assume>>: No, I just like women.
<<some one needs educating>>: I've been exposed to a lot of anime. Every time I walk away thinking "I'm sending someone a bill for that time."

Patrick: <<we've all been pranked by Microsoft's British division>>: I think what really happened is they announced it and there were so many jokes and so much mockery that Microsoft decided to cancel it and say it was a joke. "Oh, you think that's stupid? Oh...well...uh...it was a joke! Yeah, that's it!" Either that or it was an April Fool's joke that shipped late, just like their other products ;-)

Ravyn: <<Maybe it's the goody-good in me>>: Engineering chicks...so boring.
<>: That's because you're a dominatrix.
<>: Final projects suck. I'd rather take two finals then do a project.
<<Congratulations on graduating too>>: Thanks.
<<Engineers rule>>: Yes, yes we do.
<>: I feel your pain. I'm confident I could have gotten out of here a year early if I didn't have to waste all that time on humanities courses that didn't teach me anything and intro calc and physics courses.
<>: That's how I made my decision. If they don't want me now, they will in a year or two, and its gonna cost them more 8-)
<<Is anyone else so insanely excited as I am about seeing The Matrix Reloaded?>>: Yes, but reviews I've read say it isn't very good.

Barracuda: <<Iceman>>: You said him twice ;-)
<<half the bloody team couldn't function properly without him>>: You are very right.
<<Plenty of lonely, willing X-Ladies around>>: The cartoons don't seem to agree.
<<Pardon?>>: It's from thespark.com. They always insult Canada in their quizzes, and one of them says something along the lines of "Canada is full of pot smokers and its a good thing they have public health care to treat their STD-infected populace." For the record, I'm not aware of any of the Canadians that I know having any STD's.

Lain: <<we gots ANOTEHR freakin cat>>: You're a sucker.

Gside: <<Exams done>>: I hate you.
<<Tomorrow I'm getting a suit (that fits)>>: I think you should try and find one that doesn't fit, just to piss everyone off.
<>: Of course you do.
<<Why else would you get lesbian porn?>>: Exactly.
<<every bloodletting is a surprise>>: Not if they're on the pill.
<<Laziness is the source of all progress>>: I thought pornography was the source of all progress.
<<One in the middle, with another on each limb>>: And I thought one David Bowie was strange looking.
<<Control is boring. And I like porn>>: Combine the two, like I do: Control the porn.
<<tape up patches of its fur>>: That sounds mean.

And now I'm off to do some prep work for my final on Thursday, so I don't fail it the same way I failed the midterm.

195. I will not use hostages as bait in a trap. Unless you're going to use them for negotiation or as human shields, there's no point in taking them.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 02:12:16 AM
IP: 64.165.202.66

Exams done. Tomorrow I'm getting a suit (that fits) and getting most of my stuff out of here. Day after I'm being put in different housing for senior week. I hope they'll either give me a new IP or let my old one work.

Bud Clare> <<considers drinking heavily>>: The old black rum's got a hold on me, like a dog wrapped 'round my leg...
<<So very glad that I wasn't born male... Poor, stupid bastards>>: You learn to have fun with it. Oh, and that was a quote from yesterday's Kung Fool's Crazy Kimchi.
<<That's not the point>>: Only a someone who looks like five David Bowies in a bathrobe can be Wonko the Sane.
<<It's possible to be both confusing and low maintenance>>: But being low maintenance, the confusion passes once you cath our pattern. Unless you fruitfull try to find something more complex hidden inside.

Imzadi> <<Kill the pig>>: I like bacon.
<<I'm a lesbian. Have been for years>>: Why else would you get lesbian porn?
<<We get to pee standing up>>: Don't forget that every bloodletting is a surprise.
<<I'm sure he was the subject of many pranks>>: They called him Slim.
<<Congrats, you've reached the second level of engineering enlightenment>>: I've been there for a long time now. Laziness is the source of all progress.
<<That's not CS. That's EE or ME>>: But at least here, some of it is required for CS.
<<I'm staying away from you>>: Wimp.
<<That sounds...cold>>: Read The Trilogy. I believe in So Long, And Thanks For All the Fish.
<<She'd have to be pretty fat for that one>>: No, very tall and lanky. One in the middle, with another on each limb.

Revel> <<Control, control, you must learn control>>: Control is boring. And I like porn.
<<wonder if anyone will get that>>: Not finding anything.
<<and they test out the different pieces of equipment>>: "Oh come on, they're right there."
<<Are you guys completely f%^$ed?>>: Yes. Next question?

Ravyn> <<Especially since you're an engineer!>>: And again I feel left out. I'll even be favoring my engineering graduation over Rutgers College graduation.

Barracuda> <<Iceman, Archangel, Psylocke, Iceman>>: You listed Bobby twice. Though he does deserve it.

Lain> <<its a little teensy siamese/part siamese female kitten>>: If you want to have fun, tape up patches of its fur. When the dark fur grows out, it should be as pale as the main body. The fur is dependant on cell temperature as it grows, and extremities are generally cooler.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:50:29 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

yeah so.. we gots ANOTEHR freakin cat.. this one isn't black though.. whats up with that??
its a little teensy siamese/part siamese female kitten, currently being segregated from the others. it was sitting in the middle of the road, no collar, really young. no clue who her owners are. maybe a sign will go up. shes really cute.
lain
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:16:55 PM
IP: 65.93.77.31

<<My beef with Cyclops is not that he�s bland is that he�s the goody goody boy scout teachers pet. The one who always assume they are in charge when the teacher leaves the room. I could always see Cyclops as the one student of Xavier�s that reminded him to give out homework.>>
- I love the character of Cyclops, when of course, he's written properly (though the movies don't even get him near right). I can't even imagine the patience or mettle it would take to lead a team of the X-Men: Wolverine, Gambit, Rogue, Iceman, Archangel, Psylocke, Iceman to name a few; half the bloody team couldn't function properly without him. Thus, he IS in charge by default, as very few in the roster couldn't even try to lead. It's Cyclops who becomes the asshole when he needs to pull a bunch of insurgents and loners together. And when they get their monkey asses in trouble as they usually do, it's only Cyclops with the brassies enough to talk them down and pull them out. Cyclops is da man! Several authors play out the suck-up angle to Xavier, and frankly, I'd like to see Cyclops flip him off, bounce an optic blast off the dome, and take control of his team for his own goals, which seems a little more down to Earth.

<<I'd be worried about telekinetic wedgies from Jean after that. Or worse: no sex.>> Plenty of lonely, willing X-Ladies around.

<<That they have free health care because they all have STD's>> Pardon?

<<Has anyone tried those Ooopse Oreo cookies yet?>> Funnily enough, it took them a hundred years to figure out such a monumental advertising scheme to reverse the colors.
The Barracuda
CanadaTuesday, May 13, 2003 08:39:51 PM
IP: 204.50.9.168

Cyclops> Okay, I'll admit it, since he needs a few more votes here ... I actually like him. :) Maybe it's the goody-good in me ... but I kinda actually like the rational, follow-orders side to him. But even if I didn't like him, I think characters like him are kinda necessary, because the real straight-laced types serve as really great contrasts to characters like Wolverine or Gambit, who tend to be more of the "bad boy" types. :)

Josh> Nope, no final project in Mechanical Engineering Design ... weird! :) In the past, other classes have had to do final projects, but this semester, the professor was new to teaching the course, and just wanted to stick to tests and homework. I won't complain, since I've been acing his tests, and I had a few other final projects to do this semester ... :) Congratulations on graduating too, by the way! That's a huge achievement, and I think it's really cool. Especially since you're an engineer! Engineers rule! (or so we like to think ..) :)

Thank goodness I only have one more year before I get my degree. I could really do it in one more semester, if they offered all the classes I needed every semester instead of just fall or spring. But I'm not in too much of a rush, since that'll just mean I'll have to figure out what I want to do after I graduate ... and I don't quite know yet if I want to work or try grad school. ;) I guess it'll depend on if I get a good job offer ...

Is anyone else so insanely excited as I am about seeing The Matrix Reloaded? I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie ... I can remember how excited I was after seeing the first movie too ... even though I was wayyyy back in my junior year of high school! ;) Ah, it seems like so long ago ... (okay, not really, but still ...) :)

Aingeal> Welcome back!

See you all around!
Ravyn
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 08:37:17 PM
IP: 150.135.118.168

PATRICK - Thanks. Actually, what I was wondering about was why Revel was talking to me about the cake when I didn't recall ever saying anything about cake in here recently, but you answered that question as well.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 07:32:33 PM
IP: 171.75.195.8

Revel > I'm the one who brought up the cake, actually.

Todd > It's a whole Eddie Izzard / Church of England thing. "Dress to Kill" is the name of the DVD.
Patrick
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 07:20:04 PM
IP: 65.43.169.118

REVEL - <<Todd- I'll take the cake please.>>

All right, I'm officially confused now. Just what was this business concerning the cake about? I certainly can't remember typing anything about cake here.

(And alas for Cyclops - yet another person votes against him. If he wasn't fictional, I'd be feeling really sorry for him just now....)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:50:40 PM
IP: 171.75.194.84

I was at CostCo yesterday and made an interesting discovery. They sell "Fat Bastard" wine. Yes, that's the actual brand name, and my parents think it tastes great. How long has has this stuff existed?

Revel:<<(Joy! stupid customers!)>> I invite you to visit "Customers Suck.com". Click my name for the link.

Josh:<<On my cookie-eating list.>> Who are they? ;-)

Dezi:<<they named their school mascot "Fighting Whitie">>clever name.<<'WHY doesn't Hobby Lobby take Michael's coupons?!'>>See the link. :)

Leo
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 01:31:41 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Bad news for anyone who was looking forward to being able to go online while answering the call of nature... the "iLoo" is a hoaz. Looks like we've all been pranked by Microsoft's British division. Click my name for details.
Patrick
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:31:05 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Well, been home for a few days now, mostly just been laying aroundenjoying not having to do much for a bit and talking to people on IM.
I saw about getting my Grocery store job back for one last time over the summer.(Joy! stupid customers!) Hopefully, If I can get everything together, get into gear and through a portfolio review in august before classes that I would be done in May 2004. That is the plan at least. Even though it's not as much based on my ability as it is based on how well I can do a little dance for these SOB's and guess what might impress them. I wish I was rich, it can't be that hard to bribe an art teacher at their pay.

Todd- I'll take the cake please. "Oh, here you are. You there, cake or death!" Yes, Eddie Izard was quite entertaining.

Aigeal- *Hugs*

Gside- <<Now concentrate those emotions into your genitals, and live with these urges constantly, 24/7, from about age 12 right up to... death!>> *Yoda voice* "Control, control, you must learn control." "Like to buy an RV you will. No money down it is." (wonder if anyone will get that)

Bud-Clare- <<So very glad that I wasn't born male... Poor, stupid bastards. :P>> It's not so bad, but this all does remind me of a Farscape ep where their personalities are being tossed to each other's bodies and they test out the different pieces of equipment.

Spacebabie- Will have to try them sometime, my mother loves Oreos. And yes, Cyclops sucks. <<What about your mouth?>> ]:D *kisses*

Josh- Good luck on the drive home, watch for hey bails in the middle of the Freeway. <<I'm a lesbian. Have been for years>> So as a lesbian you enjoy angry girl music as well I assume. <<because they all have STD's ;-)>> Condoms must be worth more than gold then. <<Because it sucks.>> Tisk, tisk, some one needs educating.

"Various inarticulate shouts of unrestrained combat rage? Are you guys completely f%^$ed?"
-Voice actor for Halo reading from his script-
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
the bayou city, tx
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:46:21 AM
IP: 172.128.246.111

JOSH - <<But I watched an XE episode today where his assumption nearly got the team killed. It was cool 8-)>>

Which one was that?

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 07:50:41 AM
IP: 171.75.194.28

HAHAHAHA finally! The cursed film project is done! Now I just have my one final on Thursday and its all over. I'm graduating!

I skipped my one class today. I'm naughty. And I got back my $15 from the card-key nazis.

Bud-Clare: <<My text file has reached critical mass>>: Is that what determines your posting frequency? I had no idea.
<<if we can just figure out why men are so strange>>: We're not strange. We're simple.
<<There was to be a pointy stick involved... It was all very Lord of the Flies>>: Kill the pig!
<<she's a stereotypical female: all mercurial and psycho>>: Steve Jobs?
<<Once I stop laughing, anyway>>: Guys don't like being laughed at.
<<I've never actually looked at the curiculum for _____ studies>>: It's true at this school. Everyone has to take an "American Cultures" class to graduate. But are "white people" an American culture? No way!
<<the problem is the double standard, not the fact that such majors exist>>: I only half agree. The first half.
<<I'd just like to know if I've even got a shot at passing or not>>: I hate suspense too.
<<You must have very big classrooms>>: Usually, yes.
<<size doesn't indicate ability, either>>: True. But size sure helps the experience 8-)
<<It's an exponential curve based on the number of times inbreeding has occurred in the family>>: Of course. Silly me.
<>: Is?
<<what exactly are you implying about Canadians?>>: That they have free health care because they all have STD's ;-)
<<creating yet another major with the same flaw would not fix the problem>>: It would fix the problem of removing the double standard.
<<You get a BA if you don't take math and science?>>: You don't deserve a BS without them.
<<You can get a CS degree without math and science?>>: When do CS majors care about math beyond the addition and subtract of 1, and multiplication for converting to hex or binary?
<<a reason why I'm not a lesbian>>: I'm a lesbian. Have been for years.
<<several, probably, but that's beside the point>>: All any chick really needs is a good deep...uh...nevermind.
<<It's good to know that criminals are so punctual>>: More punctual than most of my friends, that's for sure.
<<I'd rather be confusing than simple>>: You say that now.
<<Someone did that today!>>: I hope you beat them.
<<considers drinking heavily>>: Don't do that. It's bad.
<<So very glad that I wasn't born male>>: You don't know what you're missing. We get to pee standing up. You think its not a very big deal, but you haven't tried it.
<<Poor, stupid bastards>>: Few men see themselves as poor, stupid bastards. So its a good thing we have women to keep us in our place.

Silvadel: <<What a BA degree essentially says is "This is an educated person who had a focus in X." A BS says "This person is proficient to work in the field of X.">>: Is that the difference? I guess that explains why humanities majors learn no applicable skills in college.

Spacebabie: <<Has anyone tried those Ooopse Oreo cookies yet?>>: On my cookie-eating list.
<<The one who always assume they are in charge when the teacher leaves the room>>: Probably because Prof. X. always LEFT him in charge. But I watched an XE episode today where his assumption nearly got the team killed. It was cool 8-)
<<The one who always assume they are in charge when the teacher leaves the room>>: I'd be worried about telekinetic wedgies from Jean after that. Or worse: no sex.
<<that was a larf>>: Were you laughing at me or at them?
<<Forgot you are not into anime>>: Because it sucks.
<<What about your mouth?>>: Breasts should not be small enough to fit in my mouth 8-)

Todd: <<Cyclops would be well-advised to get out of the classroom as soon as possible after saying that>>: I'm sure he was the subject of many pranks.

Dezi: <<they named their school mascot "Fighting Whitie" and it is a white guy in a business suit with a brief case>>: WOOT!

Gside: <<But I'm lazy>>: Congrats, you've reached the second level of engineering enlightenment.
<<Self absorbtion can be a good thing>>: Hasn't killed me yet!
<<mostly hardware) that are more scientific>>: That's not CS. That's EE or ME.
<<Yes, yes I do>>: I'm staying away from you.
<< As for the brain damage, they're actors>>: LOL
<<We get the monies, then the women come for the monies>>: They're so predictable.
<<will you build an inverse house>>: That sounds...cold.
<<do you look like five David Bowies in a bathrobe?>>: She'd have to be pretty fat for that one.

3 more days!

194. I will make several ludicrously erroneous maps to secret passages in my fortress and hire travellers to entrust them to aged hermits.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 04:20:00 AM
IP: 64.165.202.66

Spacebabie> <>
Argh! Someone did that today! And there's only one class left, so if they hadn't opened their big mouths, we would have gotten out of it. Grr.

<<It didn�t fall on me. It fell on the floor.>>
I didn't say that it did. It was just a general observation that it was a dangerous combination.
*************
Gside> <<Messed up implies a detriment. Self absorbtion can be a good thing.>>
*considers drinking heavily*

<<"Look at it from the other side: Imagine yourself after several glasses of wine, enjoying a good buzz, surrounded by a bunch of handsome, great looking men, constantly complimenting you. Feels good, ey? Now concentrate those emotions into your genitals, and live with these urges constantly, 24/7, from about age 12 right up to... death! See, wouldn't you go nuts too?">>
So very glad that I wasn't born male... Poor, stupid bastards. :P

<<But will you build an inverse house, and do you look like five David Bowies in a bathrobe?>>
No and no. That's not the point. :P

<>
It's possible to be both confusing and low maintenance.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 02:17:37 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Bud Clare> <<Including things that people usually prefer _not_ to be close to>>: The glow isn't as bad as they make out. It's like a free nightlight.
<<How can CS be BA?>>: The great high accreditation board decreed it.
<<You could look it up. Just a crazy thought>>: But I'm lazy.
<<That's assuming that being self-absorbed isn't messed up>>: Messed up implies a detriment. Self absorbtion can be a good thing.
<<Not to mention all of the _other_ problems>>: "Look at it from the other side: Imagine yourself after several glasses of wine, enjoying a good buzz, surrounded by a bunch of handsome, great looking men, constantly complimenting you. Feels good, ey? Now concentrate those emotions into your genitals, and live with these urges constantly, 24/7, from about age 12 right up to... death! See, wouldn't you go nuts too?"
<<I'm trying to act surprised, I really am>>: Why bother? I stopped surprising myself a long time ago.

Imzadi> <<Programming is very much an art and as far as I've seen it has NEVER been refined into a science>>: Programming, yes. But there are other aspects of CS (mostly hardware) that are more scientific.
<<Do you often imagine people naked, you sicko?>>: Yes, yes I do.
<<Or worse, that your influence is spreading>>: Evil laugh.
<<What a claim to fame>>: We've also got a couple nice places to see and a good number of historical landmarks. But for real estate, location is everything.
<<Everyone should be proud of themselves. Except stupid people>>: Then I'll just have to be proud of myself to spite you.
<<Sex isn't worth dying for>>: Won't know that for myself until I try it. And since I won't get any before the 50 foot woman...
<<Perhaps, but what about the permanent brain damage or blindness?>>: Well, nothing actually goes through the eyes, so they should be good. As for the brain damage, they're actors.
<<We could demand womens and monies>>: We get the monies, then the women come for the monies.
<<Do you have Tiajuana Jail?>>: I do now.

Bud Clare> <<size doesn't indicate ability, either>>: No, just contact area and pressure.
<<I'm considering changing my name to Wonko the Sane>>: But will you build an inverse house, and do you look like five David Bowies in a bathrobe?
<<I'd rather be confusing than simple>>: I enjoy low maintenance.

Spacebabie> <<The flat silver kind that has tis slightly spiked edge near the point>>: Original intent behind butterknives was that they'd be non pointy things to match the other flatware, so guests wouldn't have to use their own threatening pointy knives.
<<The landlady in [I My Me] Strawberry Eggs threatens her tenants with a gun if they don�t pay on time>>: That was no lady... Though I thought mirror boy should have gotten more screen time.
<<Wo7uld she say that the Greeks have no culture?>>: Don't forget Scots, Irish, Slavs, Italians, and anyone who has a part of New York City.

Dezi> <<No word on any controversy>>: What controversy? I'd root for them. But then, my mother donates to NARF.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:37:51 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Just a quick comment that I thought was a little relavent:
My teacher told me today about this college in New Mexico where the student body is like 75% Native American. In response to team names like Redskins or Indians, they named their school mascot "Fighting Whitie" and it is a white guy in a business suit with a brief case. :)
No word on any controversy. It was just what he told me, but I would love to read an article on it.
Later!
Dezi
Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:17:40 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

SPACEBABIE - <>

That's a good one. Of course, reminding the teacher that he forgot to assign the homework is probably not a good idea when all your classmates are mutants with super-powers. Cyclops would be well-advised to get out of the classroom as soon as possible after saying that.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, May 12, 2003 06:43:48 PM
IP: 171.75.194.91

Has anyone tried those Ooopse Oreo cookies yet??? They are pretty good.

White Studies>>>I�m not touching that with a ten foot pole. The closest I could think of is British History and British Lit

iLoo that caused me to tell Ain and Revy a bad joke, but this is what the joke was based on, and I was reminded of that when I saw the link. I once received a Christmas card with Santa sitting on the toilet and laptop across his lap. The caption on the bottom was. �Even Santa has to download.�

My beef with Cyclops is not that he�s bland is that he�s the goody goody boy scout teachers pet. The one who always assume they are in charge when the teacher leaves the room.

Wolverine: �Okay I can�t wait any longer. I�m going in.�

Cyclops: �The professor said for us to stay here.�

Wolverine: �Yeah he said that, but he didn�t ASK you to babysit us.�

I could always see Cyclops as the one student of Xavier�s that reminded him to give out homework.

Gside<<<What kind of butter knives do you have>>>The flat silver kind that has tis slightly spiked edge near the point.<<<Was that about me?>>>No it was about that letter.

Budclaire<<<Ouch... two things that aren't supposed to come into contact with your skin-- broken glass and habaneras�>>>It didn�t fall on me. It fell on the floor.

Josh<<<Bad jew>>>Uh me gentile <<<Done. My original letter is in green at the end of the document. www.kicktothenuts.com/email.pdf >>>LOL that was a larf<<<She might violate some rent laws if she used it on me.>>>Forgot you are not into anime. The landlady in Me My Strawberry Eggs threatens her tenants with a gun if they don�t pay on time.<<<One breast per hand, please.>>>What about your mouth?

Christine>>> Glad to see that you are recovering.<<<But my right "mouse" arm is connected to the worse side of my neck, >>>Okay when I read that My right hand was on the mouse and I felt a cramp in the right side of my neck!!!!

Gunjack<<<declaring that euro-canadians had no culture; one assumes that this holds true for Euro-americans. Poor Us. >>>That is of course balls. Greece is part of Europe. Wo7uld she say that the Greeks have no culture? Have her rent My Big Fat Greek Weddings. Spain and Portugal is also part of Europe. Every country in Europe, styles, customs, art, literature and food. I�m half British. I�m also 1/8th Portuguese and 1/8th Scottish . The last quarter is made up of Irish, German and a few droplets of Native American. There is a lot of culture in Europe. Next time you see that lady Gunjack you tell her that.<<<Writen to the tune of "What if God Smoked Canabis"* >>>After seeing how many times you posted that I�m thinking that you were the one doing the smoking.

Rayvn<<>>I wish you luck

Dezi<<<'WHY doesn't Hobby Lobby take Michael's coupons?!'>>>Cause it�s Hobby Lobby not Michaels. Stupid customers suck.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Monday, May 12, 2003 02:17:48 PM
IP: 67.28.64.6

<<The implication is that we study the people we do because they are White Men>>

Not even. What I implied was that White men have made the majority of *important* Western History, which isn't to say that non-white male history isn't important.
Gabriel - [Hellig Usvart!]
Monday, May 12, 2003 12:49:41 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Actually with BS and BA -- What a BA degree essentially says is "This is an educated person who had a focus in X." A BS says "This person is proficient to work in the field of X."
silvadel
Monday, May 12, 2003 11:37:12 AM
IP: 24.225.133.97

I have to post again already... My text file has reached critical mass.
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Josh> <<That explains why women are so strange.>>
Now, if we can just figure out why men are so strange, too...

<<Yes, because women are SO normal and reasonably behaved!>>
No, women are insane, too. But that doesn't make it okay. :P

<<Were you in LA when he did that?>>
Yep.

<<Its not a college-level course if you don't think about giving your teacher a savage beating at least once!>>
It wasn't a beating that we were considering. There was to be a pointy stick involved... It was all very Lord of the Flies.

<<Sounds just like Waldo (the cat I was referring to).>>
Cats are weird. And dogs. And.. life. Damn.

<>
Em's weird. Even for a cat. (Actually, she's a stereotypical female: all mercurial and psycho.)

<<No girl has ever asked me why I want to sleep with her or what talents I bring to the position>>
*snickers* That's the kind of thing that I ask, just not quite in those words. Once I stop laughing, anyway.

<<But if your major is asian studies, you don't have to "expand your horizons" and take courses in white history.>>
Are you sure? I've never actually looked at the curiculum for _____ studies. But if that's true, then the problem is the double standard, not the fact that such majors exist.

<<This proves, conclusively, that women are from another planet.>>
Yay!

<<Otherwise, their history would be a subset of the history that everyone ELSE studies.>>
But the good bits usually get skipped over in general history courses. Therefore, not a subset.

<< <<I'll fail one of my classes regardless of how I do on the final>>: That sucks.>>
Yes, but I've stopped caring now, for the sake of my sanity (or whatever it is that I have). I'd just like to know if I've even got a shot at passing or not. Grr.

<<Never seen that before, and everyone usually has to sit spaced a full desk apart in our classes.>>
It's always the person in front of me. (You must have very big classrooms.)

<<Brain size doesn't indicate intelligence>>
You know what I meant. :P
Besides... size doesn't indicate ability, either.

<<Are there various levels of inbred-ed-ness?>>
Sure. It's an exponential curve based on the number of times inbreeding has occurred in the family.

<<I'm betting you're on the self-service side a bit more frequently than him...he lives with a canadian, after all!>>
I think that you missed a vital word from the original sentence. :P
(And what exactly are you implying about Canadians?)

<<You and Gabriel.>>
Like hell.

<<No, he's arguing that white studies are just as valid. If they've all left their mark, then why doesn't it have its own degree? Why can't I major in WHITE studies, but I can major in ASIAN studies?>>
But in order for White Studies to be a logical major, the currently existing majors would have to be overhauled. History and other majors would need to be less biased, otherwise why bother? Besides, if the _____ studies majors have a massive flaw, then creating yet another major with the same flaw would not fix the problem.

<<Programming is very much an art and as far as I've seen it has NEVER been refined into a science.>>
It's not really either, actually. It's somewhere in between.

<<To make it a science, you have to add math and physics that aren't required for the BA.>>
Is that the difference? You get a BA if you don't take math and science? You can get a CS degree without math and science? I find this very confusing...

<<Now justify female behavioral patterns >>
There's a reason why I'm not a lesbian... (Well, several, probably, but that's beside the point.) I'm considering changing my name to Wonko the Sane.

<>
Or it could be a geniune attempt at being multicultural which they just kind of botched up in any number of ways, but which they will eventually get straightened out so that it makes sense and doesn't suck? Just a thought...

<<Always loved that term...what does it mean?>>
With that spelling? It's hard to tell. Could be some obscure dialect or something...

<<Sorry, that sentence made me think of the FBI's crime clock.>>
It's good to know that criminals are so punctual. :P

<<We're really quite simple, when you think about it. Its women that are confusing.>>
I'd rather be confusing than simple. :P
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 12, 2003 03:43:15 AM
IP: 66.66.211.33

More filming, almost all day. And a huge chunk of the day was wasted because of a CHIMES RECITAL at the campus tower. The sound can't be avoided anywhere on campus.

Then I get back and discover that one line still hasn't been filmed. Oops. But this thing will be done tomorrow, I swear.

Bud Clare: <<that was really heartwarming>>: Sorry. I'll try harder next time.
<<Self-delusion is the only way that we can keep from going insane and killing ourselves, or becoming lesbians>>: That explains why women are so strange.
<<If we knew just how screwed up men are, the human race would be doomed>>: Yes, because women are SO normal and reasonably behaved!
<<We'll remove half of your brain, and see how you like it>>: I imagine it'd make me a better GE employee ;-)
<<I'd forgotten about that>>: Were you in LA when he did that?
<<made us consider violence against the teacher>>: Its not a college-level course if you don't think about giving your teacher a savage beating at least once!
<<no reason why you would have used it>>: I can think of a reason why I would have, but you're right, I haven't.
<<she constantly stalks me when I'm in the kitchen, hoping I'll give her some>>: Sounds just like Waldo (the cat I was referring to).
<<It's like cheese is her only reason for living>>: I thought cats live to be stroked.
<<there are certain behaviors that are required, if you even want to have a shot>>: True. But at a job interview, they usually ask why you want the job and what skills you have. No girl has ever asked me why I want to sleep with her or what talents I bring to the position ;-)
<<Have to taken it?>>: No, my time is billable.
<<If you're a History major, then a huge portion of what you study will be white history>>: Yes, but there is no degree for it, and at most schools you are still forced to study "multi-cultural" events. But if your major is asian studies, you don't have to "expand your horizons" and take courses in white history. Its a double standard.
<<it'd basically be a subset of regular History, whereas Women's History or whatever would largely be material that would _not_ be covered in general History>>: This proves, conclusively, that women are from another planet. Otherwise, their history would be a subset of the history that everyone ELSE studies.
<<I'll fail one of my classes regardless of how I do on the final>>: That sucks.
<<My ostrich method of dealing with stress is so very bad and dumb>>: I know a family with that problem. Most screwed up kids I've ever met.
<<people knock over my mug of coffee because they're flailing around so much in their panic>>: Never seen that before, and everyone usually has to sit spaced a full desk apart in our classes.
<<Of course size matters... Brain size. Who wants to be dating an idiot?>>: Brain size doesn't indicate intelligence ;-)
<<Someone's a little inbred>>: Are there various levels of inbred-ed-ness?
<<why do people like you get to decide what is or is not worth studying?>>: That's just it, he isn't deciding. He's making a point that a new field is just as valid as the existing ones.
<<that doesn't mean we should just scrap a bunch of fields of study just because they _might_ cause some crazy people to go off the deep end>>: Um, I don't think that was his point.
<<you'd know more about that than I would>>: I'm betting you're on the self-service side a bit more frequently than him...he lives with a canadian, after all!
<<who exactly implied that?>>: You and Gabriel.
<<just because _you_ don't see the need>>: No, he's arguing that white studies are just as valid. If they've all left their mark, then why doesn't it have its own degree? Why can't I major in WHITE studies, but I can major in ASIAN studies?
<<How can CS be BA?>>: Insert jokes about CS is BS here. Seriously, though, its similar thing at my school. Programming is very much an art and as far as I've seen it has NEVER been refined into a science. A science has a predictable pattern for creation and results (and more importantly, the scientific method applies), and programming doesn't have that at all. To make it a science, you have to add math and physics that aren't required for the BA.
<<That's assuming that being self-absorbed isn't messed up. Not to mention all of the _other_ problems...>>: Now justify female behavioral patterns 8-)

Leo: <<I'm sure it's now something more environmentally friendly>>: Damned hippies.

Warpmind: <<it's just very, very irritating for mucous membranes>>: That's evil enough.
<<I'm making some SCARY good speed on a D20 book... Custom system, all-new setting, lots of fun>>: Norway must be very boring.

Christine: <>: Ah. My mistake.

Gunjack: <<What if God Smoked Canabis>>: What if?! Of course he does! How else do you explain the platypus?
<<the main goal is to forge a worldview in which indentification with a societal splinter group serves as the foundation for one's entire life>>: Interesting. I always thought it was a waste of funds for the sake of of school being able to say that it was multi-cultural.
<<Do you need a college course to prove that yes, Women/Gays/Blacks can make meaningful contributions to society?>>: Some serious self-esteem issues there.
<<Why all men are vicious, wife-beating rapist bastards>>: You mean you aren't?! That's it, you aren't invited to by grotesquely chauvinistic bachelor party!
<<intelectual masterbation>>: Always loved that term...what does it mean?
<<Engineering isn't known for political correctness>>: We're too busy actually doing something with our education to care about hippies 8-)
<<why are these uncovered topics important enough for college study?>>: Because if you can't study them in college, there is no place where you CAN study them. Colleges are repositories of unused learning.
<<I'll be the one up on a hill cackling madly and dancing a jig>>: Then I hope you enjoy being vaporized.
<<You can use that "apple-shooter" to blow a hole in a couple inches of solid steel armor>>: And here we were shooting potatoes through garage doors.
<<Wrapped VERY tightly, the wire reinforces the barrel, making it less likely to burst>>: I see. Thanks.
<<ever since I was a little kid, and my parents read me the "watcher in the lake" part in Fellowship of the Ring>>: Jaws did it for me.

Aingeal: <>: Apparently I don't need to.
<<my mom thinks that the guy across the street is a stalker>>: Maybe he is.
<<everyone else I send to CS so they can get whined at>>: And this is why I got out of tech support.
<<if someone doesn't know enough to know how to turn the computer on and off, they really shouldn't own it>>: You missed that entirely. First, I was talking about people doing dirty things in the iLoo, and second, its a public toilet.
<<AGAIN!>>: Do you often imagine people naked, you sicko?
<<Amazing what happens in the 30 seconds it took to post.>>: One aggravated assault, 2 burglaries, one motor vehicle theft, 10 property crimes, and 6 larceny-thefts. Sorry, that sentence made me think of the FBI's crime clock.

Gside: <<ask for a salami and cheddar. They might think there's a new Garside in town>>: Or worse, that your influence is spreading!
<<Why trash a secret lab if you can ransack it?>>: Agreed. Think of the toys.
<<Jersey is close to stuff>>: What a claim to fame.
<<Embrace his nerdhood>>: No relation to manhood. Which she should have embraced long ago.
<<some of us are proud of it>>: Everyone should be proud of themselves. Except stupid people.
<<There are separate BA and BS Comp Sci degrees here>>: Same here. The BS degree here includes some required EE.
<<getting more action than I had in my previous life>>: Sex isn't worth dying for.
<<It is supposed to help actors get over stage fright>>: Perhaps, but what about the permanent brain damage or blindness?
<<We're not messed up. We're just self absorbed and direct>>: We're really quite simple, when you think about it. Its women that are confusing.
<<They leave us be because they want their toys that only we can make>>: We really should all band together and start to leverage those skills a bit more. We could demand womens and monies!
<<by the Kingston Trio>>: Do you have Tiajuana Jail?

I'm out. 4 days till I graduate!

193. If I am using the hero's girlfriend as a hostage and am holding her at the point of imminent death when confronting the hero, I will focus on her and not him. He won't try anything with his true love held hostage. On the other hand, the fact that she has been weak, slow-witted, naive and generally useless up to this point has no bearing on her actions at the moment of dramatic climax.

Josh - [ATkicktothenutsDOTcom]
Berkeley, CA, US of A
Monday, May 12, 2003 02:54:56 AM
IP: 64.173.21.253

Gunjack> <<what is the point of *insert group here* studies, in general?>>
What is the point of studying anything? And why do people like you get to decide what is or is not worth studying?

<<From my limited contact with such programs, it seems the main goal is to forge a worldview in which indentification with a societal splinter group serves as the foundation for one's entire life.>>
It often does, but that doesn't mean we should just scrap a bunch of fields of study just because they _might_ cause some crazy people to go off the deep end.

<<This amounts to intelectual masterbation.>>
I'm sure that you'd know more about that than I would.

<<The implication is that we study the people we do because they are White Men.>>
And who exactly implied that?

<<We've killed more, built more, written, painted, and composed more, invented more, reasoned more, and generally churned up the landscape more than anyone else.>>
And I think you've just proven the need for studying other cultures... How would you know how much has been written, composed, and painted by other cultures, or how many people they've killed? Do you really think that all their artists have just been sitting on their asses for centuries? Has it occurred to you that you just haven't been exposed to other cultures enough to have the faintest idea what you're talking about?

<<Western Civilisation has, for better or worse, left its stamp on all of humanity.>>
So have other cultures. But let's just ignore millenia of art, philosophy, music, politics, wars, and everything else, just because _you_ don't see the need.

<<That irritates the heck out of me.>>
Good. I'd hate to be the only one who's irritated.

<<Why isn't it covered, and why are these uncovered topics important enough for college study?>>
Because you can only cram so much into one major. It's like focusing on ancient history versus modern history...
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Gside> <<At least Jersey is close to stuff.>>
Including things that people usually prefer _not_ to be close to...

<<There are separate BA and BS Comp Sci degrees here.>>
How can CS be BA? (That sounded odd.)

<<But what I can't give a percentage until I know the variance.>>
You could look it up. Just a crazy thought...

<<We're not messed up. We're just self absorbed and direct.>>
That's assuming that being self-absorbed isn't messed up. Not to mention all of the _other_ problems...

<< <<It's like cheese is her only reason for living>>: It's mine.>>
I'm trying to act surprised, I really am.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 12, 2003 02:21:39 AM
IP: 66.66.211.33

Ravyn> <<Coolies!>>: If you want to mess with them, ask for a salami and cheddar. They might think there's a new Garside in town.
<<that would have been the *smart* thing to do>>: I thought so. If you didn't want to spend the time in Jersey, you could have started settling in at Rochester.

Lynati> <<falls onto the floor laughing>>: glad to be of service.

Dezi> <<Strange, strange man>>: The best kind.
<<turns into (or rather, is possessed) by>>: No, is replaced by.
<<after his secret laboratory is discovered and trashed>>: Why trash a secret lab if you can ransack it?
<<Like it could be worse than New Jersey>>: At least Jersey is close to stuff.
<<Had to make the bad New Jersey joke>>: I do it all the time.
<<He is not a nerd, he is...quirky...>>: Embrace his nerdhood.

Imzadi> <<EVERYONE is an outcast>>: And some of us are proud of it.
<<Bachelor of Arts is the degree everyone who isn't studying... programming>>: There are separate BA and BS Comp Sci degrees here. Only a difference of two classes (OS and Principles of Programming Languages for BS, one elective for BA).
<<What is solder made of?>>: Depends. Old stuff, mostly lead.
<<nevermind. I only have one exam and its open-everything>>: I only said the hard part was over, not that everything was over. Though open everything has its own problems in the type of questions it generates.
<<You might suffocate>>: At least I'd die happy, getting more action than I had in my previous life.
<<10% have an IQ of 180 or higher? I doubt it>>: Right, Gaussian with mean 100. But what I can't give a percentage until I know the variance. Curse you Rose, for making me learn variances.
<<Do you self-flagellate when that happens?>>: Well, I do know the monks' chant from Grail.
<<But why would you want to?>>: It is supposed to help actors get over stage fright.

Bud Clare> <<Not even close. Guess again>>: 0.01%
<<If we knew just how screwed up men are>>: We're not messed up. We're just self absorbed and direct.
<<It's like cheese is her only reason for living>>: It's mine.

Warpmind> <<You know Saber Marionette J to X is out, right?>>: Yup.
<<How long until you acquire that?>>: Got it, burnt it, got Arc the Lad next, barely have enough discs to burn that.
<<More importantly, how long until *I* acquire that?>>: Nothing more is going out until I have a job and a place to live.
<<Anyone here read Watchmen?>>: Have the TPB. Need to find a place that sells white silk scarves and fedoras to compete my Rorschach costume.

Gunjack> <<Engineering isn't known for political correctness>>: They leave us be because they want their toys that only we can make.
<<Why isn't it covered>>: Not enough time.
<<why are these uncovered topics important enough for college study?>>: Can't help you there.
<<I'm studying to be a Prophet of Doom>>: Do you have your End is Nigh sign? And your trenchcoat for your nighttime activities?
<<How did that guy's head get so big?>>: Nabeshin decreed it, and it was made so.
<>: Lurking adds nothing to posting averages.
<<Like your gaurdian angel of messy, pointy DEATH>>: I thank you for that.

Warpmind> <<On AIM with Aingeal now>>: I didn't know you were on AIM. Or are you just generalizing MSNIM?

Aingeal> <<AGAIN!... mst I?>>: Yes, because I decreed it.

It Takes a Worried Man, by the Kingston Trio.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@eden.rutgers.edu]
Piscataway, NJ
Monday, May 12, 2003 12:26:03 AM
IP: 198.151.130.245

Happy Mother's Day for all mothers here. I hope everyone is having a good weekend. Mine's going by kind of slow, trying to get my classes lined up for the next semester. I'm trying to figure out if I need to take another math class but no one can seem to give a straight answer.

Fire Storm- Who was that masked man?

Gotta go, my cat suddenly thinks that my keyboard is a good place to nap.

Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Sunday, May 11, 2003 05:50:44 PM
IP: 172.199.10.176

Gee, I should have waited a bit! Well, unlucky 13 for me, then ... figures ...
Christine
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:43:16 PM
IP: 208.187.15.137

or 11 doesn't really matter now though. :p
Leo
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:34:23 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

12! :-(
Leo
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:32:21 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Ten??????????????

Spacebabie
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:29:41 PM
IP: 65.56.36.74

Amazing what happens in the 30 seconds it took to post.
Aingeal
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:20:10 PM
IP: 65.142.126.178

I'll be nice and not try and claim 8 too ::grin::

Well... YAY!... People talking to me aww.. I feel special and I suppose Josh, that you'll pop that one soon enough ;)...

Josh: <<You live in lubricant?>> I live in the middle of nowhere... but with some of the people... you never know what goes on here... my mom thinks that the guy across the street is a stalker...
<<How does it feel scamming thousands of customers every month out of monthly fees they didn't sign up for? >> Since I'm not scamming.. I just provide the support for those who WANT the service... everyone else I send to CS so they can get whined at.
<<Enjoy picturing your subject with his pants around his ankles wondering why "spankit.com" isn't loading in his iLoo.>> Must I? I have enough stupid people talking to me as is... if someone doesn't know enough to know how to turn the computer on and off, they really shouldn't own it.

Gside: <<Average them together and you might get a regular poster.>> you'd have to add me in there ;)
<<At least it'll be easy to imagine them naked. >> AGAIN!... mst I? EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!

Warpmind: ::POKE:: Hey you... going to say hi?

::hugs people again:: Missed y'all...

Anyway... life goes on.... ::wanders off to IM Land and people::

Aingeal
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:18:46 PM
IP: 65.142.126.178

ok, so nine :)
Gabriel - [Hellig Usvart!]
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:18:08 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Eight! haha, my iguana tried to bite me to get away ^_^. He's a baby, so he has no teeth ;p
Gabriel - [Hellig Usvart!]
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:17:49 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Eight.

On AIM with Aingeal now. She threatens to poke me.

I guess I DO live in interesting times... }:)
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmindATtiscaliDOTno]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:17:16 PM
IP: 213.142.69.215

Lucky number seven!

Revel > Tea and cake or death? ;)
Patrick
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:03:02 PM
IP: 65.43.169.118

I claim this planet (err, spot) in the name of the Earth! (strikes cheezy pose!) 6!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Sunday, May 11, 2003 04:01:44 PM
IP: 65.35.132.55

5
silvadel
Sunday, May 11, 2003 03:58:17 PM
IP: 24.225.133.97

4th
Ed
Sunday, May 11, 2003 03:54:44 PM
IP: 131.111.8.103

# 3... this is unusual for me... real post in a while
Aingeal
Sunday, May 11, 2003 03:54:19 PM
IP: 65.142.126.178

#2, how appopriate :-)
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, May 11, 2003 03:45:35 PM
IP: 204.94.193.49

No Flag No country *plants a number 1*
Revel
Sunday, May 11, 2003 03:43:31 PM
IP: 152.163.252.196