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Hey all. Just wanted to say I hope everyone experiencing the after-effects of that power outage is okay. No such event in Baltimore (a brief flicker, but i wonder if it was even related), but then again, considering it's even hotter here than in New York and I'm prone to melting by just breathing, it's probably for the best ;) Makes working those 12 hour days in an airconditioned office bearable. ;)

And this is my first weekend without working! Now I can finally go to the 13th Floor.

The new Xmen Evolution episodes have hit the Apocalypse story arc, and I respect them for it. However, I noted some blatant ripoffs from Stargate (in fact, I think the music was *exactly* the same ;)), but all in all, nice animation and character interaction.

Take care everyone. And for those of you who don't mind Flash and love little addictive games, try http://www.orisinal.com. Nice colors and music, and you can't pull yourself away. I'm stuck on the Tetris-like game called Bauns ;)

Adios
Niamhgold
Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:09:59 AM
IP: 67.74.232.111

greg b>> you and i need to have a talk.
no, not the scary kind of talk, just a talk. and it would be good if we could maybe try to catch each other today? i *may* have to go to work later.. but im not sure yet. my job might not have electricity yet.

in other news.. we have so-far escaped the rolling blackouts *knocks on wood*. im sure it wont last long :P

ill leave my AIM on all day with an away message, even if im not here. if the AIM is off.. i have no power. sorry.
lain
Saturday, August 16, 2003 08:33:26 AM
IP: 65.93.90.64

DPH: 
But... that would be an ON TOPIC topic!
Isn't that against the law?
Fire Storm
Saturday, August 16, 2003 05:19:05 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Warpmind> <<with the East Coast blacked out, are you gearing to pillage the coast>>: Not with me here. Maybe illegealy imporing some mead, and maybe some herring.

Fire Storm> <<No posts in over 12 hours?>>: Once a day myself. I can make no guarantees for the other 24 hours.
<<Why were people calm and helpfull for this blackout and the one in 1965, but rioted in 1977?>>: Disco. There need not be any other explanation.

DPH> <<What about those on financial aid who turn in forms late?>>: They filed their forms late. But you can always go to class while unenrolled, and when your money comes in, you should have a good enough sob story to get reenrolled.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, August 15, 2003 11:54:42 PM
IP: 68.37.190.178

Fire Storm - I have a better suggested topic: reviews of Ride the Wild Winds.

Today was my last day of babysitting my nephew during the daytime, at least for this year!! Yea. He goes back to school on Monday. [There is question about how long before he gets into trouble: my sister-in-law says it will be 1 week, my brother says it will be 2 weeks, I think it's going to be 3 days.]

Lain - <but not quite as good as the two colossal meteors we saw with six inch long tails.> But I can see stars every night because I live in the country.

Imzadi - <YES! California has learned how to export our disasters to other states!> Well, they say that watching California shows the future of the US. Frankly, I hope not.

Green Baron - *starts laughing*

Yesterday, I came up with what W:ME really stands for: Windows:Morons Employed.

Gunjack - <See y'all tomorrow, perhaps.> Welcome back to the house of insanity. Now, share some of the sanity you acquired with those of us in desparate need of it: me.

Ok, here's a stupid policy. At the college, there is a threat to purge students from enrollment unless they have paid *40%* percent of the tution by a said date. There's only 1 problem with that. What about those on financial aid who turn in forms late?

Robby, if the only thing keeping you around is wiping this cr, perhaps that responsibility needs to be delegated to somebody else. [No, I'm not interested because I have too many things on my plate right now.] Also, not counting GXB or Robby [both made a recent post], when was the last time each of the other cr admin made a post (saying something besides "I'm alive" or saying something admin related) here?
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, August 15, 2003 11:45:10 PM
IP: 204.94.193.62

No posts in over 12 hours? WHY?

Geez... you'd think the power is out or something!

Ok, here is a topic for discussion: Why were people calm and helpfull for this blackout and the one in 1965, but rioted in 1977?
Fire Storm
Friday, August 15, 2003 11:19:22 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Yeah, the power went out here, too. And that put all four of our area's water pumping stations out of commission, as well. They just got the power restored to them about an hour and a half ago... so hopefully by noon I'll be able to take a shower and maybe head downtown for a half day of work.
Patrick
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Friday, August 15, 2003 09:52:15 AM
IP: 65.43.150.253

From CNN: "Officials not sure what caused outage across 9,300 square miles from Detroit to New York to Canada"

About 100x100 miles... the area in New York state is more than that.
Fire Storm
Friday, August 15, 2003 04:11:26 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Greetings;

Wow stars, what a concept. It takes a power failure to see stars in the city (I feel like I'm in a Simpsons episode).

Anyways the lights are on now where I am, and I can only hope that there on at the University. I lost two experiments, but nothing major.

I do hope that everyone is O.K. and that the power is restored ASAP. Unfortunately for those of you in N.Y. City, they say that you will be among the last regions to come back on the grid. CNN did not give any timeline, but all the power reps. were saying hours-days (Yikes).

Goodnight Everyone

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Friday, August 15, 2003 04:09:27 AM
IP: 24.43.67.109

...

Ok, I am freaked out right now. I am used to this place being lit up 24/7, noise all the time...

But it's too damn dark. Too quiet. I get nervous walking down the hall. The only source of light in the building is two floor lamps in my office. (not including the Christmas Tree of server and hub lights).

Knowing that there is no one else in the building...

Not a single thing to do...

Just... here. Alone. All alone...

Not cool. NOT. COOL.
Fire Storm
Friday, August 15, 2003 02:26:13 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Power came back on around 11:30. Yay!

Very hungry, though. I was too lazy to cook while the power was out (the combination of heat and darkness made me very groggy), and I've been online since it came back, so I'm starving. :(

Will find food.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, August 15, 2003 01:46:24 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Lain: Yeah, I looked up and was like "HOLY $h17! STARS!"
SO cool!
Fire Storm
Friday, August 15, 2003 12:45:51 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Firestorm> As far as I know, right now the site will be up on the 16th. The only cause for deadline to be moved would be if I wasn't able to finish everything in time. 2/3s is up, I just have to finish up a few more stories and reviews. ^_^;; (I do need to talk over a few things with Stephen though. <:))
Siryn
Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:58:08 PM
IP: 24.213.130.186

and.. there was LIGHT!!!!
.. and it was good.

but not quite as good as the two colossal meteors we saw with six inch long tails.. yeah.. stars are cool. :D

stephen s>> so uh.. wheres this "onterio" place??
;)
lain
Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:57:20 PM
IP: 65.93.86.210

Oh, and contrary to popular belief, there are NO reports of rioting or looting in Detroit!
Fire Storm
Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:39:39 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Fire Storm reporting in. I am working overnight at work and Lady Mystic is at home. Work is on a generator, but the area is still without power.

No word from the others.

Siryn: Is the Avalon Mists deadline going to be extended?
Fire Storm
Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:38:39 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Graymonk> Christ, bye. I thought ye was a Newfie. Well, I went to the Glynmill Inn with karen tonight and had cod tongue. Not much falvor, but I think cod tongue brings me one step closer to being an honorary Newf. Now to kiss a cod and have a shot of Screech. I must say that I love Canada. Now, make me legally exempt from all taxes and I'll be singing O Canada as soon as my contract runs out :)

Lain, Gunjack, Patrick, Greg X, Reverend Attila's ghost (currently in Cleveland starting a prostitution ring) and others> I hope you're all right an dpower comes on soon. It makes me so glad that I left for Newfoundland on Monday and not today.

Imzadi> Just don't export Gray Davis. I heard Ahnold is going back in time to kill Gray Davis's mother back in the 1950s in order to save California :) But a robot follows Ahnold and gives birth to Gray (named for his gray personality). I think it's possible Gray Davis is part robot.

I heard that after rioters sacked Detroit, the city looked better :)

Warpmind> So with the East Coast blacked out, are you gearing to pillage the coast :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Corner Brook, NF, Canada
Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:16:43 PM
IP: 142.163.50.60

*holds up sign*
GATHERING of the GARGOYLES 2004 Website UP. VISIT NOW. Save your pennies. GO4 it!
http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/ (or my link)

Power lost at about 5pm..came back at 10pm. (stuck in traffic for over an hour..when its like 15 minutes from home to work)

Stephen> *points to email box* O.o Could you email me? Please?... :>
Siryn - [<--Gathering of the Gargoyles 2004]
Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:16:36 PM
IP: 24.213.130.186

Ed> <>: I'm not really complaining, and I do appreciate the consistancy while a season is being released, but without a formidable staff, I anticipate another long downtime after the end of the season.

As for the blackout, don't think it reached this far down, unless the half minute or so was related.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:19:40 PM
IP: 68.37.190.178

A message from Lain and gunjack:

We are fine, eventhough there is total darkness.

this is the end of a message from Lain and Gunjack.

:)
Gabriel
Thursday, August 14, 2003 09:59:28 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

YES! California has learned how to export our disasters to other states! Next up for the east coast: Earthquakes and a 40 billion dollar budget shortfall! Maybe riots if you're lucky.
Josh
Thursday, August 14, 2003 09:24:11 PM
IP: 17.204.22.239

So how is the power? Any word of it commong back on yet? it's been 4 hours since I heard about it.

I wonder what caused it to crash...the heat and a power overload maybe?
Andrea - [takarifreak@dark-stars.net]
Thursday, August 14, 2003 09:04:22 PM
IP: 209.91.49.213

Power should be coming back on. I myself was hit by the blackout, but things are starting to come on again soon, so hopefully everyone else will be fine.

Damn, I didn't know the black out was that widespread. but I did hear it was Canada's fault ;)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, August 14, 2003 08:01:58 PM
IP: 216.179.5.81

UPDATE FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK...

Seems there was a cascading poweroutage in the Northeastern USA, and it's affected NY, OH, MI, Onterio Canada, and several other states in that area... last reports say it was due to a power spike from a failing generator in Niagra Falls area that caused the effective shut down of several power centers around the NE seaboard.

Because of this, Siryn our webmistress has been shut off from me and the rest of the staff. This means a possible delay of the launch of Avalon Mists... unless the power up tehre is restored ASAP.

Sounds trival, I know, considering the trouble a lot of hospitals and otehr critical care facilities are facing due to the power loss... but, this affects us all, even if we're not in the affected area.

So, again, until I hear from Siryn when the power comes back, We're expecting a short delay for the reutnr of Avalon Mists... Will have more to say later.

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, August 14, 2003 06:42:49 PM
IP: 24.164.29.133

SPIKE - You and me both.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 14, 2003 06:41:10 PM
IP: 171.75.194.2

Major Power Blackout in the US -- Ottawa, NYC, Cleveland & Detroit affected!
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/us.jsp

Here's hoping that Patrick, FireStorm & Lady Mystic, Coyote Bando, the Dreamer Clan and all other posters from these areas are safe and well.
Spike
Thursday, August 14, 2003 06:40:10 PM
IP: 208.190.39.20

Green Baron - <<Graymonk> Where are you in the Rock?>> Nowhere, I live on Prince Edward Island, it's whole 'nother province on the other side of the gulf :) Glad you're enjoying NFLD though.
Graymonk - [mmckinnongra@hotmail.com]
Thursday, August 14, 2003 01:36:28 PM
IP: 137.149.84.20

Hello, byes. I'm in Corner Brook, NF, on the west coast of teh ock. This is a beautiful place, and eveyrthing is beautiful except the sales taxes :)

Karen is very nice, but quite shy. Her parenst like me, espcially her dad who has a similar interest in History. I also met a lawyer and blogger named Damian Penny, who is pretty cool.

London was also quite nice and I'd liek to thank Lain for having em and putting up with my various wacky antics, and I hope Gunjack is enjoying his time back.

Graymonk> Where are you in the Rock? I may be going to Stephenville on Saturday.

I also saw this cute stuffed beaver in a mounty uniform that plays O Canada :) I may even see a moose on the highway :)

Revel> <<I-10 though Louisiana sucks, no nice way to say it, it sucks. always has construction and is patch and rough and the speed traps drop to 45 MPH :P>> I am from New Orleans and I could have tol you that much. My motehr always complains about the I-10 as it si used to get from New Orleans to Metarie.

Gunjack> Don't forget your simulated WWI aerial atatck when you called the Red Baron the Green Baron :)

Firestorm> Very sorry to hear about your dog.

Silvadel> If you want, I can visit you in Joisey when I'm in NYC. Just drop me an e-mail. BTW, who is John Galt?

I thought you might get a kick out of that.

Bud-Clare> See you early Wednesday morning :)

Now, I'm off, though I think I can make it to G04. I think I can do it for under 1500. Fly from Seoul to JFK and another flight from JFK to Montreal.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Corner Brook, Newfounland, Canada
Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:04:27 AM
IP: 142.163.53.68

Vash: Don�t forget that your perception of time is different because in �real life� it took two years. In Arthur�s time it took about two and a half months. For most of that time, Mary accompanied Arthur because she had no choice but her attitude does soften considerably. Tagging along because she has no choice is a far cry from making a four-year commitment that will end with you being a knight in the service of the alleged future king. Most people would call that a big, fat promotion � especially at fourteen or fifteen years old. It�s also a significant and pretty much irreversible change in Mary�s career path. Her motive shifts in the space of a few episodes from being selfish (finding a cure for her condition) to reasonably selfless (finding a cure for Merlin) to committing herself entirely to the cause � whether she is cured or not, whether Merlin is cured or not. That said, you may have a point about Mary�s squire duties not getting much attention, though her responsibilities are described in �The Mists of Eynhallow�. There is attention paid later in the season, but I guess we could have shown her in squire capacity a bit more in the first episodes after she gains the title. Thanks for the comments though. It�s really interesting (and helpful) to see how this kind of thing is going down.

(As a point of interest, Mary becoming a squire was a plot point that predated �The Mists of Eynhallow�. In fact, that episode was designed to justify Mary�s continued presence in the group when embarking on such a big quest. Guess I dropped the ball there.)

Taleweaver: I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on "Ride the Wild Winds"!

Gside: You realise there�s a new series being released weekly, don�t you? Good grief, I can understand people moaning about production delays during long hiatuses but we aren�t even a third of the way through the new season yet. TGS will release more episodes this year than almost any successful American drama series. I�d call that kicking pretty hard myself.
Ed
London, England
Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:15:41 AM
IP: 213.187.39.107

Went to the circus today. Pretty good, but the clowns could have been better. Though they did train cats. I'm talking about the little domseticated ones here.

Gunjack> <<Four, you palooka. the day ain't over till you fall asleep>>: I count a day in the CR as between my posts. It gives me something to mark it. A real day is something else. You could think of it like I go to sleep right after my post.
<<Back from Camp, and I survived for the most part>>: So my ingenious trap built entirely out of spare left socks didn't work?
<>: Take a block of stone and sut ff everyting that doesn't look like an elephant?
<<See y'all tomorrow, perhaps>>: What do you mean perhaps? Amd I going to have to use my new stone elepant as the centerpiece of a new, even better trap?

Nikki> Welcome back.
<<and a project I assumed long dead is alive and kicking>>: That may be, but it's not kicking very fast. It'd probably be beaten by the hypothetical one legged man in the hypothetical kicking contest.

Revel> <<Pack tweezers, they always have use>>: I always carry two swiss army knives. Grated, I need the Victorinox to get the tweexers out of the other.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, August 14, 2003 01:58:01 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

I think that everybody's afraid that the room's going to be wiped at any minute (since it didn't happen over the weekend), and so doesn't dare post here for fear that the post will be lost when the room *does* get wiped. (This is what happens when the room administrator isn't able to make it to the room-wiping procedure and doesn't have a stand-in).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:29:03 PM
IP: 67.28.95.222

Hello all,

Welcome back Nikki. What have you been up to?

It's interesting that its so dead in here. Choices got a lot of chatter but Dinas Bran didn't seem to generate much interest. I'm cuirrently cutting throught Wild Wind. It's nice that they are focusing on the other neo-knights. Hope to see some character depth come out of it.
Taleweaver
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:17:06 PM
IP: 24.205.177.107

I'm back from my trip. Dead tired, need a shower, want to kill motorist, but need to draw.
But just for fun,I present the top twelve things I have learned from...

*Road Trip 2003* (no particular order, it's jsut as they came to me)

1. When borrowing someone else's car first make sure all the stickers and legal stuff is already up to date so you don't have to pay for them.

2. Don't drive for more than 12 hours at a time when alone, you screw up your entire digestive system. (This added onto last year's don't watch EVA before road trips)

3. A set of windshield wipers that actually work well and don't smear would be great especiall since this year is so far the wettest summer in 80 YEARS.

4. Florida drivers can't drive in the rain. (which sucked considering my blurred vision from smuging wipers)

5. Florida drivers and more so tourist will panic stop at the sight of orange barrels in the ditch, slowign everyone down even if there is no construction.

6. Jumper cables are our friend (incase borrowed car has strange draining problem and is dead after sitting two days)

7. Pack tweezers, they always have use.

8. I-10 though Louisiana sucks, no nice way to say it, it sucks. always has construction and is patch and rough and the speed traps drop to 45 MPH :P

9. Battleships are cool.

10. People who drive across the country in gas guzzling Lincoln Navigators have too much damn money.

11. There are worse things in life than a Father-in-law who tells bad jokes all the time. ( I did get free knives and they did pay for food)

12. Though there is a spiritual feeling of accomplishment after traveling across half the country alone, I feel it better to save time and effort to fly than deal with crazy drivers and attempts to sleep in rest stops with the humidity. (maybe if I was riding a Harley I'd feel differently, oh well)

*Big SMOOCH for Spacie* *runs to do TGS art
Revel - [samrx5@cs.com]
back in the bayou city, though wish I was still in Florida, tx
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:02:19 PM
IP: 172.153.204.215

*waves in the general direction of new/old poster*

...fall asleep at 6:30 am, wake up at 7 pm, try to stay awake to the following 7 pm so you'll be on a shedule that allows you to be awake for your college schedj when it starts...
Lynati
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:42:51 AM
IP: 208.190.202.119

WHOOOOOAAAAHHH! That is all I have to say about this site! Okay, like... I dunno, maybe FIVE years ago I was a writer on season one-- anyone remember me? Anyone? ...Anyone? Heh. ;) (Nicole/Nikki Biggers on credits, you can look, I exist.) Anyway, I had to give it up because school ate my brain. Here I am a lifetime later on my last year of college, randomly internet searching in the middle of the night-- and a project I assumed long dead is alive and kicking! My goodness, I had no idea that our little shared hobby would become such a big success! And the art to go with the stories-- fantastic! I'm so amazed, you guys!!! It's great!
Nikki - [JoMarchesOn@hotmail.com]
SLO, CA, USA
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 06:02:52 AM
IP: 64.166.167.72

OR when you have a day like I do. Bed at 8am, wake at 1pm, bed at 6pm, wake at 9pm (or some variant.)
Fire Storm
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 03:38:58 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Unless you go to bed after sunrise, which screws your perception of "day" up a little.
Lynati
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 03:37:56 AM
IP: 208.190.202.119

Four, you palooka. the day ain't over till you fall asleep.

Back from Camp, and I survived for the most part. No rolling SUVs down hills, or breaking my ankles performing the Knave Without this time. I did learn to carve rock though, and I had some fun with .22 brass and flaming kerosene while trying to cast a crucifix with improvised materials. I even made some new friends. And now I'm back, from outer space...

*heads out humming "I will survive" under his breath*

See y'all tomorrow, perhaps. PEACE!

Gunjack "Gaberdine" Valentine
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:26:43 AM
IP: 65.93.89.52

Very slow day, only three people.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:18:40 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Bat is GONE! I told my parents it didn't leave, they didn't believe me when I said I head noises up there ant it WASN'T the cat (actually it was her, trying to get the bat because she heard it!). We caught it (well, my dad and sis, I had no part in this) in a leaf net "stolen" from the pool area.

Man, those things can squeak!
Andrea - [takarifreak@dark-stars.net]
Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:35:13 PM
IP: 209.91.49.213

yo, tgs cr admin, when is the room going to be wiped again?
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:26:20 PM
IP: 204.94.193.28

Lexy - <Thank you!> Thank you for pointing out the mistake. When I was updating the illustration archive pages, for the most part I went off the credits listed in the story.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, August 12, 2003 05:13:10 PM
IP: 204.94.193.32

Wups, forgot to mention it was in, "The Council Part 3". *will stop taking up space now!*
Lexy
Tuesday, August 12, 2003 02:12:40 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

DPH- It's in Gargoyles Season 3, and it's labled as "Kriste, Lexington and Aurora at table" Thank you!:D
Lexy
Tuesday, August 12, 2003 02:10:02 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Ride the Wild Winds - sounds like the title of an old Western Movie...

Woke up about 3 am to my sister screaming about a bat flying around in her bedroom. Not a HUGE deal, we'll just shut the door, put some towels underneath (they can fit through that crack, we've had 2 bats before, and one escaped the cellar that way), and worry about it in the morning. Problem? Cleo just came in! So we have the door open a smidge, and trying to call her. But we can't see her. We took an chance about 10 minutes later, and ran in, I got the cat, and she opened the window to let it fly out.

We don't know if it did, we're waiting for my dad to come home and rescue us (besides, the bat will be sleeping somewhere if he's still in there). I know it didn't go out right away, I heard some banging at the door, most likely the bat trying to get out. I highly doubt it was the cats. Cleo MIGHT have seen it, but she wouldn't bang against the door to play with a creature she couldn't see. Even if either cat wanted to get into her room (she keeps her door open at night, and they occasionally come in a snooze on her bed), they'd meow (especially Lola).

The big question is, how did it get in? Before, the others came though the chimney, which is connected to the cellar, and from there, upstairs (the first one sat in the fireplace for a bit, and I saw him close up. It was a good thing we recently replaced the door to the fireplace with glass gates, instad of the removable wire covering). But we've had issues with squirrels this year, so we got the chimney capped (it was before, but not it's TOTALLY capped). Unless there IS a small space where they can get in, it's still confusing. A bat wouldn't crawl into just any small crack.

And before you all worry, the only kind of bat around here are the little fruit bats. Only worry about them is any disease they might carry, no need to worry about it killing out pets with killer bites!
Andrea - [takarifreak@dark-stars.net]
Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:28:55 AM
IP: 209.91.49.213

TGS proudly presents a Pendragon Season 4 Story . . .

Ride the Wild Winds

Written by Ed Reynolds and Mandi Ohlin

Outline by Mandi Ohlin

Original artwork by Lain

Click my name, go to the link at the top of the cr that says "Current Episode", or visit http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/ce.html to
read this week's story.
DPH - [<--Click here to read this week's story]
AR, USA
Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:04:30 AM
IP: 204.94.193.25

DPH> <<Let me know so I can fix the problem right now>>: And make sure Fire Storm knows so it will be the same for the next iteration.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, August 11, 2003 10:56:00 PM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Lexy - <But I noticed that a drawing I did for TGS some time back for Season 3 Gargoyles was labled as being drawn by Robby. I don't really care that much, but if anyone knows how to change that... or who I should let know just... um.. well let me know:) > Which picture and what page(s) [separating season 3 gargoyles and pendragon didn't come to clean because of overlap so that it might be misrepresented on 2 pages]? Let me know so I can fix the problem right now.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, August 11, 2003 08:55:38 PM
IP: 204.94.193.11

Hey everyone! I was just searching through the picture archive. I was looking for some good pics of lex. But I noticed that a drawing I did for TGS some time back for Season 3 Gargoyles was labled as being drawn by Robby. I don't really care that much, but if anyone knows how to change that... or who I should let know just... um.. well let me know:) No biggy though. I'm just sure that Robby wouldn't want to be stuck with that lable! He's a much better artist then me *chuckles* Welp, off to look for more pics! My emails posted if anyone wants to use it:)

Lexy - [izzolexington3@yahoo.com]
Monday, August 11, 2003 07:35:43 PM
IP: 66.30.158.19

Silverbolt> Have you seen the trailer for Scary Movie 3? ;)If not, click my name--there's a scene that's relevant to your post.

Ed> I think one problem with Mary being squired is that it took so long to happen. The other "knights" were recruited right after they met Arthur. Granted, they were all a little older than Mary and seemed more capable of helping him out than a young girl. But Mary has shown herself to be brave and resourceful from the start. And it's not like Arthur has so many allies that he can be choosy. He should be recruiting as many people to his cause as he can find (which seems to be how he picked up the knights he has so far. Or did he just decide that after reaching a certain number, he'd stop looking?). Again, I think it would have helped had Arthur been shown considering 'enlisting' Mary's help long before now. She may be accompanying them in hopes for a cure (for herself and later for Merlin), but she's also sharing their food, their company, and their adventures. As people already pointed out, Mary was depicted as being 'part of the gang' long before now. She was a knight in all but name. Then after months of being their traveling companion, Arthur finally decides to show Mary some recognition, and she's made to be his lowly squire. I almost think it would have been more interesting to keep her as the 'insider-but-outsider' of the group. What makes it worse is that Mary also seems to be playing the role of a subserviant lackey; no longer the tough independent spirit she once was. Her new rank hasn't even been shown to serve a purpose in the stories thus far; she has no duties or perks. It's just used as an excuse to let her tag along, when she never needed a reason before. But then as you said, it's Arthur's new quest and he gets to make the rules. That still doesn't make it a good excuse (or to put it more accurately, that still doesn't mean we have to like it). ;P
Vashkoda
Monday, August 11, 2003 06:09:42 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

16th day with rain in it in a row -- We tied the record today... I do not know what is up with the weather -- More rain than you can shake a stick at here with the jet stream diving way south...

Of course the jet stream is a zero-sum game -- since it is so very far south here, it is way north in europe and they are getting heat enough to fry eggs...

silvadel
Monday, August 11, 2003 04:51:47 PM
IP: 24.225.133.97

*sigh* would you guys like to have Simon Cowell back? He's come back to judge the new series of Pop Idol over here and in just one episode he's already reduced many people to tears.

"That's a stage song, you don't even deserve to be on stage."

Still it was funny that the woman he said that too had said before hand that she would have plenty to say back to him. She was completely speechless so that was funny... even though she cried...
silverbolt
Monday, August 11, 2003 01:09:45 PM
IP: 81.131.134.209

Well my classes are finally done. Now I get a week off and start up again. I'm just glad that it's a regular semester and not a summer schedule.

Green Baron- Wow, you're really going to be moving around for awhile. I hope you enjoy it. After being home for a few months I'm kinda getting the itch to travel. What am I saying? I felt that when I first got here. I hope you get seperate rations. I stopped going to the Dining Fac. when I saw rodents.

Fire Storm- I condolences about you dog.

Later.

Jaden
Monday, August 11, 2003 01:58:00 AM
IP: 4.46.142.111

Bud Clare> <<Why? Why? Why? It's so bizarre>>: I write it off by being created before they got a handle on the GUI thing, and such odd effects are a result of trying to tack it on later.
<<Glad it's not just me>>: There's always something to fight a holy war over in computing.

Fire Storm> <<It was the self status checking>>: Well, it doesn't look like there's anything in there to actually get it to display anything, and you didn't put a semicolon after the return.
<<it worked.... but not after I uploaded the pages>>: You changed from double quotes to single quotes, and I still don't see anything calling for something to get displayed. But then, I haven't done JavaScript, and am just now looking at tutorials to try and see what might be wrong. Still, it doesn't look like the problem is with putting it in the php, just the mouseover itself.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, August 11, 2003 12:59:31 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Hi all!

I�ve been away from the Internet for a while so I�m only now able to catch up on some of the �Pendragon� reviews and discussions I missed. Thanks so much to everyone who reviewed �The Mists of Eynhallow�. Here are some replies to a few points mentioned, although I�m afraid I�m going back a few weeks.

***Spoilers for Season 4 �Pendragon� so far***

(Mary�s squiring)
I was really surprised that this twist wasn�t all that well received by some. I think the notion that some kind of latent misogyny made Arthur propose that Mary needed to be squired before accompanying him on the quest is quite bizarre, and I don�t really think it�s well founded in the text when there are numerous reasons, some only practical. Consider the timeline: Mary joins the group in the summer, May or June off the top of my head. �The Mists of Eynhallow� takes place in October. In that period, she tagged along with Arthur by necessity while he was on the run, hung around a bit at the back end of season 3, and then persuaded Arthur to let her come along to Avalon because she had a legitimate interest: her cure. The Grail quest is an entirely different matter. You can�t just quest for the Holy Grail when you feel like it. It�s a commitment. It�s also not Mary�s quest, but Arthur�s. His rules. It was crucial to clarify Mary�s position within the group before the quest went any further. I guess I could have written that scene to make it a bit clearer but to be honest I never anticipated anyone to have any problems with the squiring issue. Mary seems so obviously suited to being a knight and at her age she would be a squire.

Graymonk: I really enjoy some of the points you make your reviews. Answering the questions you posed for �Eynhallow�:

The archaeologists were surprised to see Mary because they knew Nigel Sefton. Apart from the fact that he�s an important member of the government, his name was also probably brought to the fore during the Buckingham Palace incident at the end of last season.

I think you�re right that Mary�s more practical (and stubborn) personality helped her through. Also, she�s had a shorter life than the others and so there were fewer memories to emerge.

You�re probably right that the resolution didn�t quite work. My idea was that there wasn�t actually a ghost at all, but the residual frustration of the monk that wasted his life watching the Grail turned it into a sort of ghostly hot spot that was ultimately destroyed when Arthur took up the quest for the Grail from the lost monk. This was a bit lost in the rush to focus on the Grail matters in hindsight and having the monk appear in Arthur�s vision � Eynhallow�s memory � just made things very confusing. Sorry about that.

It�s been ages since I did the research on this episode but the ruins are real, and they were probably built on an earlier site. I forget where I got the notion of the monks building there to view the Grail and/or Jesus (Lydia stops short of saying it in the story of course). I�m reasonably sure that there was some grounding for the sightings there. I figure the Grail did appear before the monk long ago and tormented him. He wasn�t worthy only because he stayed to admire it and insisted that he wasn�t worthy. If he�d gone out and made himself worthy then he would have claimed the Grail. That�s the tragedy. It was designed to counterpoint Arthur�s plight, but as I say that side of things kind of got lost.

And yes, it�s a reasonable conclusion to draw that one of the seven people on Eynhallow at the time had encountered a vampire at some point in their life, and the experience was traumatic.

(Dating stories)
I didn�t notice that there weren�t really any dates on the stories so far, myself. The next couple of episodes will be dated. The dates become quite important for reasons that will become obvious. �Pendragon� tends to involve travelling between episodes so obviously time gaps will often depend on how much is necessary. Some episodes will be a few days apart, some several weeks.

Kaioto: I really like your assessment of Arthur�s leadership skills � or apparent lack thereof just lately. I know when working on this season (or at least the material released so far) I really felt like Arthur was working himself into a depression after his setbacks so far in the modern world, slowly forgetting the qualities which made him such an important figure in the first place.

(Arthur�s finances)
I figure he�s being put up by the London clan, and probably lives off the generosity of his friends � notably Jennifer, Marter and Merlin. That�s worked so far, but it won�t necessarily be the case forever. To be honest, I don�t think Arthur�s finances have been all that relevant so far. They may be in future.

Mercord: Of course, just because a Christian looks for the Grail (and thus the Grail associates itself frequently with Christian religious locations) doesn�t mean the Grail is Christian.
Ed
London, England
Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:19:05 PM
IP: 172.186.115.191

Gside: <maybe it would feel like more>
Reminds me of teachers that wanted 3 typed pages but never specified a font size.
<If it's trouble with putting '"; in a printf, look up special character printing. Or is it something deeper?>
It was the self status checking:
onMouseOver="self.status='The Gargoyles Saga - Comment Room'; return true"
I shortened it to:
onMouseOver='The Gargoyles Saga - Comment Room'
and it worked....
but not after I uploaded the pages... damn. Just noticed that. Frell.
Fire Storm
Sunday, August 10, 2003 08:53:27 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

...a moment of silence for Gregory Hines.
Leo
Sunday, August 10, 2003 05:59:27 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Awesome! The great escape!
Dezi - [<-clickie!]
Sunday, August 10, 2003 02:50:13 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Gside> <<So left to go down, right to go up, and how far down the bar is how far you move doesn't do it for you?>>
Why? Why? Why? It's so bizarre...

<<Some EMACS versions running under window managers iconify as an overflowing kitchen sink, perhaps to suggest the one feature the editor does not (yet) include.>>
*L* Glad it's not just me.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, August 10, 2003 01:46:43 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Bud Clare> <<Anything that has a real, working scrollbar>>: So left to go down, right to go up, and how far down the bar is how far you move doesn't do it for you?
<<a proper delete key>>: When in X, I don't think I had that problem, only in telnet did I have to remember to use del instead of backspace.
<<emacs is all... clunky>>: "Some EMACS versions running under window managers iconify as an overflowing kitchen sink, perhaps to suggest the one feature the editor does not (yet) include. Indeed, some hackers find EMACS too heavyweight and baroque for their taste, and expand the name as `Escape Meta Alt Control Shift' to spoof its heavy reliance on keystrokes decorated with bucky bits. Other spoof expansions include `Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping' (from when that was a lot of core), `Eventually `malloc()'s All Computer Storage', and `EMACS Makes A Computer Slow' (see recursive acronym)". Oddly enough, the Jargon File doesn't have much bad to say about vi, other than it having been crufted together ("To throw together something ugly but temporarily workable. Like vt. kluge up, but more pejorative"), and the whole thing about confusing newbies about the command/input modes thing.

Fire Storm> <<It WOULD give people more to read>>: maybe it would feel like more.
<<Am I supposed to remember details like facts?>>: I like to.
<<Any clue how to make make an onmouse over (or similar command) work while embedded in a PHP "while" statement?>>: The way I'd do it would be something like:
<?php
$db=mysql_connect("localhost","tgs");
mysql_select_db("tgsdb",$db);
$result=mysql_query("select * from stories",$db);
while($row=mysql_fetch_array($result))
{
//make link
printf("/*put in moseover code*/");
//other stuff you want to do in the loop
}
?>

If it's trouble with putting '"; in a printf, look up special character printing. Or is it something deeper?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, August 9, 2003 10:52:38 PM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Gside: Any clue how to make make an onmouse over (or similar command) work while embedded in a PHP "while" statement?
I want to be able to pull info from the database to create a link with an onmouseover.
The problem appears to be with the ' " and ; characters, but I could be mistaken.
Fire Storm
Saturday, August 9, 2003 09:25:18 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

image chosen at random let's see what I got,

Gside - <<Graymonk> <<who hates that annoying "I don't need to learn Billy Shakespeare">>: Haven't heard it yet, so I can't hate it yet. Besides, I tend to call Shakespeare Bill.>> Count yourself lucky, I hear four times every weekday. The song calls him Billy, not me, I call him Shakes.
Graymonk - [mmckinnongra@hotmail.com]
Saturday, August 9, 2003 05:54:43 PM
IP: 156.34.234.241

All: Thanks for the condolences. I am glad my mother brought her in and allowed her to die. She was miserable, and she is better off this way.

Gside: <Maybe about 60 page downs for that size>
Hmm... It WOULD give people more to read!
<But usenet doesn't wipe>
Or BBS, or something like that. Am I supposed to remember details like facts?
<At least give me your preferred text editor>
Windows Notepad, followed by vi, then this old word processor I once had called PW.
Fire Storm
Saturday, August 9, 2003 05:48:39 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Gside> <<At least give me your preferred text editor.>>
Anything that has a real, working scrollbar... and a proper delete key. (Shortcut keys may be nice when you use the text editor often enough to remember them, but when you only use it once or twice a year, at most...) Of the two, though, I prefer vi. emacs is all... clunky. Cluttered. I don't know how to describe it. It just makes me want to reach in and strangle it.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, August 9, 2003 01:38:30 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Fire Storm: Dottie-dog and Dezi give condolences. :(
Dezi
Saturday, August 9, 2003 12:23:24 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Graymonk> <<who hates that annoying "I don't need to learn Billy Shakespeare">>: Haven't heard it yet, so I can't hate it yet. Besides, I tend to call Shakespeare Bill.

Bud Clare> <<Good enough?>>: Nope. At least give me your preferred text editor.

Todd> <<Thor would actually have been more appropriate if it had been the Midgard Serpent who'd shown up instead>>: True, with Surtr being for Freyr, the wimpy pansy boy. The ruler of the elves doesn't even put up a fight during Ragnarok.

Fire Storm> Condolences.
<<Arial, size 36>>: Maybe about 60 page downs for that size.
<<Old holdback to Usenet groups or something>>: But usenet doesn't wipe.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, August 8, 2003 11:40:39 PM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Lynati, Gabe: Thanks

GB: I leave tomorrow morning (Taiwan Time)
Josh
Friday, August 8, 2003 08:56:48 PM
IP: 61.222.89.142

FIRESTORM - Sincerest condolences on your loss.

TODD - Thanks for the info.

VINNIE - <> You're right, I just re-read "The Adopted" in DA Season 2. It says he he had enough power to potentially defeat Oberon's children, not that he was one of Oberon's children. My mistake.

<<Surtur was definitely a loser without personality>> I wouldn't go that far. I thought he was highly entertaining in an unstoppable killing machine way.

GREEN BARON - Have fun in the True North.
Graymonk - [mmckinnongra@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 8, 2003 07:52:36 PM
IP: 156.34.232.6

Fire Storm> *hugs* I'm sorry about your dog.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, August 8, 2003 07:50:00 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

I'm sorry to hear about your loss, Fire Storm.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, August 8, 2003 07:07:55 PM
IP: 171.75.194.12

The voice of doG has been silenced. Monday night, my dog for the past 15 years, Sheba, died of complications due to lung and heart cancer.
She will be missed.

Arthur show on TLC: I wasn't impressed. Yeah, it told enough, but it didn't have enough meat for me.

Gside: 
Arial, size 36

SaxxonPike: <(oh, I still wanna know what's with the first/second/whatever thingys :P)>
Old holdback to Usenet groups or something, resurrected in the S8 CR when it was new, and just stuck around.
Fire Storm
Friday, August 8, 2003 06:34:22 PM
IP: 208.143.21.10

GRAYMONK - Yep, that was a reference to the similarities that I'd noticed between Rory in "The Hound of Ulster" and the Marvel Comics take on Thor. (At least, the initial, Donald Blake version.) I might add that I asked Greg Weisman about it once, and he agreed that there's a similarity there (if anything, he confessed that he was afraid that there was too strong a similarity and if he ever got to bring back "Gargoyles" and Rory returned in it, he'd like to make Rory/Cuchulain less like the Marvel version of Thor).

The really fun part about writing it was that it was a context where it would work. We could safely mention Thor since he's a figure from Norse mythology rather than an invention of Marvel Comics, and thus in the public domain, and since Surtur was from Norse mythology, Thor's name would be appropriate here. (Although Thor would actually have been more appropriate if it had been the Midgard Serpent who'd shown up instead. :) ).

As for the story of Bran the Blessed, you can find it in the Second Branch of the Mabinogion. (The most readily available edition of the Mabinogion, I believe, is the Penguin Books translation by Jeffrey Gantz.)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, August 8, 2003 06:12:05 PM
IP: 171.75.194.12

Graymonk- The Bad: Maybe king Bran only wanted to comfort and reassure his people, who were under constant threat.

I didn't think the Magus was a halfling. As for human mages, they are probably under orders by the Illuminati to stay hidden from the general public. Since the Illuminati control the world they would insure that only people loyal to them become mages, of any sort.

Who says they carried them all the time. They could have put the weapons away because the Unseelie war was over.

Surtur was definitely a loser without personality.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, August 8, 2003 01:53:46 PM
IP: 216.234.99.16

oh crap, another posting screw up, Heaven help me I don't know where my brain has gone today.

********Spoilers for Dinas Bran********

THE GOOD: -First of all, I quite enjoyed the story of King Bran and his battle with the Irish, does anyone know the name of that story, or of a book or website where I might find the original text? Its piqued my interest.

- The Merlin/Griff conversation. I had honestly never considered Griff's POV of Season 3. The reminder of Griff's seperation from his mate was a nice touch. With this scene and the council meeting from last ep Griff is starting to become interesting, something he never was in the cartoon. Good work Todd.

-I liked Merlin's "I honestly don�t know," ... "I�ve never been here before" line. Like Griff's marriage, it's nice to be reminded Merlin's not omnicsient.

-I was ecstatic to see Mary's skepticism. I laughed out loud when she smacked herself for still being surprised at meeting someone 1400 years old and I was ROTFLMAO when she shot down Talensien's accusations. The Ben Grimm aspects of Mary's personality are one of the reasons why I like her so much.

-The battle between Rory and Surtur. Surtur was a refreshingly challenging opponent. the battle itself was exciting and kept me guessing. I admit my paranoia about Dulci and Leba's fates may have played a role in that (I thought Dulci was a goner for sure when she got hit by that rock). In fact, all the battle scenes in this season so far have been quite riveting. Todd's action sequences seem to have imrpoved exponentially (and Ed! musn't forget his wonderful madcap chaos in "Mists").

-Arhtur's repentance before Talenien. Art could have taken the easy road and made excuses (indeed Sir Baudwin made a rather convincing arguement for why the head should be dug up) but instead he owned up to it, admitted his true reasons, and offered to do pennance. Arthur's always seemed more inclined to show remorse for his misdeeds than Merlin and that might be the factor that convinces the Grail to help them.

THE BAD: -While I enjoyed the story of King Bran i didn't understand Bran's reasoning. Why did he think his petrified head would defend Britain? I realise its part of the legend but there was no in-universe explanation. Was it just arrogance? Was he trying give his people hope and/or comfort after he was gone.

- I am starting to get really sick of halflings. Not the Unsilee engineered kind, I am eagerly awaiting the continuation of their story. I'm talking about the natural kind, they're starting to feel as ubiquitous as mutants in the Marvel universe; Umbriel's a halfling, Morgana's a halfling, Nimue's a halfling, Ra's a halfling, Circe's a halfling, Magus is a halfling, Talensien etc. And that's still leaving out cannon halflings like Fox and Alexander. The only really powerful human mages we've seen are Lord Srocerer, Archmage and the Japanese guy who helped the Ishimurans in "Darkest Hour."

-I forget if it was Mecord or Vashokda but someone brought up the point that Leba and Dulci didn't seem to be armed in this story. I though season 2 established that Leba carried a quarter staff and Dulci was an acher (Iron tipped arrows probably would have helped against Surur) Are they still carrying their weapons and if not, why not?

-Speaking of Surtur, while he may have been an entertaining sparring partner for Rory he didn't really display much of a personality.

THE MISC:

IN JOKE - Was Merlin's Comment about it being a pity Rory's
alter ego not being Thor a joke about how similar Rory was to Marvel's Thor in the TV series?

To sum up: a terrific installment in what has already been a promising season. 9 decapitated human heads out of 10.
Graymonk - [mmckinnongra@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 8, 2003 11:05:43 AM
IP: 137.149.84.20

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Graymonk - [mmckinnongra@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 8, 2003 09:41:58 AM
IP: 137.149.84.20

Greetings to all, eh?

I now report to you from Lain's home in London, and now to start the story of the Green Baron tour:

Tuesday, August 5-- One day after my 26th birthday, I arriev at Rhein Main AB where I spend the night in the Airport's USO Lounge (gotta love them), courtesy of SSG Josef Smith (he ain't a Mormon though, even with that name).

I of course posted form there. I'd post more, but the USO computers had a time limit.

Wednesday, August 6-- My MAC flight (and thank God it is not a C-130) takes off at 3:25 AM EST, though it's 9:30 where I was. Movies provided are X2 and Shanghai Knights. Sleep opportunities are rare thanks to small children making constant noise (I now support putting small chidlren in kennel area with pets). US Air Force is greta way to travel otherwise, as long as it's a Commercial type jet.

prior to noon, my flight lands in Baltimore Airport so I take a long journey to Southwest's part of the terminal to confirm my flight to Buffalo (why did I fly into Baltimore to go to just go to Buffalo, that's the Army way), whcih was one hour.

After that, a nice couple on the flight offer me a ride to the Greyhound station, though in thi smad dash of GB's personal season of 24, I just barely miss the 4:30 pm bus to London, but ctahc a 7:15 one. On the bus I have a layover in Toronto and finally arrive at London, where I am a bit early, so I gea cab to take me to Lians house, but she's one her way to see me, so I take teh cab back to try and get her and I finally catch her, though this remidns me of the valuable lesson of staying with aplan. From 3:30 EST on 6 Aug to 330 EST on 7 Aug, maybe this can be a 24 plot :)

7 August (after long sleep), Lain and I see London. I alos get a needed shwoer, since I last got one on the fifth, as the airport showers were non-functioning. I did however, wash my upper body thoorughly with the latrine's sink.

More of the GB North American tour will be psotsed as time commences.

Jaden> I'll look out for your uncle in Humphreys. I now hear the whoel penninsula may start receiving seperate rations, allowing us all to eat where we wish.

Kaioto> <<Alternatively, we could just come to grips with the fact that just because someone was a hero to another culture, doesn't make them heroes in - our - culture. If all cultural values were created equal, we'd have no reason to refine our own. Nazi Germany held up Hitler as their hero. Fact of the matter is, he was a monster and my evaluation of him as a monster is far more accurate than their evaluation of him as a hero.>> Or there is me making a hero out of Attila the Hun, which is frowned upon by some.

Mooncat> I'll side with you on Xanatos. I don't see Xanatos abandoning his Machiavellian schemes nor do I want to, as such scheming si fun, but Xanatos has changed a few plans. I also don't think Demona is redeemed. She is just biding her time and may ahve to make a few copromises. I need to catch up on TGS more, as I am woefully behind.

So there is moe than The Ring. That was an odd movie, indeed.

Imzadi> Ho wlong will you be in Taiwan? I imagine you'll be gone before I arrive in Korea.

Jackal> The Fire Dept was much worse back in the day, like if you saw Gangs of New York.

Lynati> <<...of course, I was two years old when it was taken... >> Perfect response back to my bad kitty :)

Imzadi> <<that's okay, GB is just the kind of sick bastard who'd be into that.>> Go talk to the hand, ok :p

Bud-Clare> <<I used to write the school ambulance drivers parking tickets (and hope that I never needed an ambulance). They were bastards who thought that they were entitled to do anything they wanted. I liked pissing them off. ;)>> Well, they should obey the law, especially Bud-Clare's long arm of the law :)

And now, I bid aideu, and probably return to sleep.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
London, ON, Canada
Friday, August 8, 2003 06:23:01 AM
IP: 65.93.89.41

Gside> << <<Evil. Evil. EVIL>>: Could you expand that?>>
EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL. Good enough?

<<Not just nowadays, it's usually been considered good to think nice things of people involved in emergency services (fire, police, EMT/medical).>>
I used to write the school ambulance drivers parking tickets (and hope that I never needed an ambulance). They were bastards who thought that they were entitled to do anything they wanted. I liked pissing them off. ;)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, August 8, 2003 04:27:21 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

*comes in, does a little dance to entertain Josh, and then leaves*
Lynati
Friday, August 8, 2003 04:19:00 AM
IP: 66.142.239.154

*blushes* sorry that last post was me, I've just woken up and the brain isn't working so great
Graymonk - [mmckinnongra@hotmail.com]
Friday, August 8, 2003 04:16:06 AM
IP: 156.34.232.96

Gside - <<Imzadi> <<Disappointed that you guys aren't very entertaining at 3.30AM PST>>: We've lost the entertainment recently, getting down to serious discussion.>>

Well in an effort to stimulate more conversation, who hates that annoying "I don't need to learn Billy Shakespeare" or whatevere the refrain of that annoying pop song that always seems to be on the tv these days? *holds up his hand*
Anonymous
Friday, August 8, 2003 04:09:16 AM
IP: 156.34.232.96

Imzadi> <<Disappointed that you guys aren't very entertaining at 3.30AM PST>>: We've lost the entertainment recently, getting down to serious discussion.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, August 7, 2003 11:16:48 PM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Mooncat> I think it would be more interesting to see how the myth changes to meet the needs and wants of the audience at the time. The magic and completing the impossible task is common to all kingmaker myths. It establishes divine right. Same as the scion device to establish legitimacy.

Changing the events to fit sensibilities and personal agendas isn't new, but why and how they become part of the canon of the myth can be interesting. And it doesn't necessarily follow direct lines of logic.
Taleweaver
Thursday, August 7, 2003 01:51:26 PM
IP: 24.205.177.107

White washing or rationalization? If someone wanted to "rationalize" Arthur's legend, they'd take ALL the magic out of it, which includes Merlin as a magic user, Excalibur as a magical sword, Nimue and Morgan Le Fay as magic users and lots of other chunks. Rationalization would take out the idea that Arthur is "destined" to be a great king and Merlin's motivation for getting involved out of anything but pure politics. That the small points of "consent" during sex are the ones twitched though, which really has nothing to do with magic, seems to me to be more of an excusing of a man's bad behavior in regards to adultery and rape. True rationalizing would have Igraine sneaking out to Uther if they were going to have consensual sex, instead of a big disguise of Uther as Gorlois of all people, to see her in Gorlois's castle. If it was mutual love, why wouldn't Igraine have run off with Uther, instead of him popping in just to bed her than running off the morning after? It's more likely the 20th century altering of the legend to make Igraine a knowing and willing party isn't rationalization, but sanitation to make Arther's conception "nicer" than rape. A hero conceived by rape? Tsk. Let's make it really a lovestory, and Igraine was chucking her fidelity to her husband of many years, who'd already fathered three daughters on her, to boink the king she's smuggled into her castle disguised as her husband because he's her true love. That kind of revision isn't more rational, it's just more paletable (sp?).

Legend aside, I wouldn't mind seeing an examination on the reality of Arthur, and the people and events that the legend was based on. Any real life archeological/anthropological investigation of that going on right now?

Mooncat
>^,,^<

MooncatX
Thursday, August 7, 2003 12:33:34 PM
IP: 68.102.0.23

CHRISTINE - Actually, the cable program didn't invent the different take on Uther and Igraine; I've seen it in many modern-day Arthurian novels, such as Mary Stewart's "The Crystal Cave". I think that it originated due to the 20th century development of writing the legend in a way that rationalized all the fantasy and magical elements. Igraine being deluded into thinking that Uther is really her husband is believable if Uther's disguise was a magical shape-shifting spell, but if you go for the notion that magic doesn't work in the Arthurian world, then you have to go for more mundane disguise measures which wouldn't be so likely to deceive Igraine (particularly at such close quarters), and so the writers go for the notion of Uther and Igraine being secretly in love. (The big disadvantage, of course, is that it changes Igraine from a virtuous woman who will only sleep with somebody other than her husband if she mistakenly believes it to be her husband into a knowing adulteress.)

They've also done rationalizations on other parts of the story, including the Sword in the Stone (and most of the rationalizations there are very unconvincing - such matters as having the sword lying flatwise across the stone, not stuck in anything, which raises the issue as to why everybody was so amazed when Arthur picked it up. Mary Stewart's "The Hollow Hills" contains the only decent rationalization of the Sword in the Stone that I've come across yet.)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, August 7, 2003 07:13:24 AM
IP: 171.75.194.97

Still in Taiwan. Working like a dog and loving every minute of it. Disappointed that you guys aren't very entertaining at 3.30AM PST.

Lynati: <<topless photo taken at age 2>>: that's okay, GB is just the kind of sick bastard who'd be into that.
Josh
Thursday, August 7, 2003 06:36:39 AM
IP: 61.222.89.142

Hi,

Christine: Yes, I saw that show on Arthur to, but what can you do about it. It is also a sad fact of life that such historical revisionism exists everywhere you look and that nothing is to sacred to such people these days.

Nothing on the Avalon Mists rumor, but I hope it is true.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, August 7, 2003 05:04:17 AM
IP: 216.234.99.227

Hey, folks. Long time no see and all that!

I thought it rather interesting that the show on Arthur the other night didn't have Uther disguising himself as her husband to trick Igraine, but to trick everyone else because they were really secretly in love. Sounded like a sanitizing job to me ;)

So, hey, anybody got the inside scoop on Avalon Mists? I've heard rumors that it's coming back to life!

In other news, the latest issue of Sabledrake includes an exclusive preview of the upcoming RPG supplement, "Naughty and Dice." Clickie!
Christine - [<--- August issue of Sabledrake!]
Thursday, August 7, 2003 12:50:37 AM
IP: 208.186.188.254

Hmm. DPH always enjoys seeing lots of Kentucky Bluegrass text in the cr. Why isn't he here? *pulls out drowsiness detector* Not getting enough sleep has caught up with him pretty bad. Cohorent thought (assuming it's possible for DPH) is uphill at the moment.

Andrea - <Cleo . . is becomming a big pain the ass> No, according to what I've been programmed to know, the cat has started training you. Reminder: You don't own cats; they own you.

Happy belated Birthday to Robby and Mara.

Jackal - <"a bunch of slobs who treat it as a boy's club, getting drunk all the time and not taking it seriously."
that statement alone describes the firefighters in my area,> DPH understands Jackal's comments about *those* firefighters and wonders how in heck those firefighters actually manage to do their job safely.

Imadi - <Just thought I'd let everyone know that I'm in Taiwan right now livin' it up on Apple's dollar.> Hmm. DPH is wondering how bad of a tourist trap you're in.

Mooncat - <If Elisa married Goliath, and Proteus took Goliath's form and went to Elisa while Goliath was fighting with Proteus's team of thugs, disguised himself as Goliath and bedded Elisa, that wouldn't be rape, by your definition?> DPH decided to go to the dictionary for a definition of rape and of all the terms used in that definition. The sticky part is the definition of "force": "To compel through pressure or necessity". Yea, you're right logically. DPH wonders another question, though. During medievil times, was it possible for Igraine to say "no" to her husband?

Airwalker - <not only can I name all the states, I know the state capitals too.> *dph's hologram mumbles a comment about how hard that would be to disprove*

*dph's hologram stops to ensure dph does, in fact, fill up a riding lawn mower before going to bed since dph has planned on mowing some yard tomorrow.*
dph's hologram
Confusion, Disorganized Mind
Thursday, August 7, 2003 12:26:58 AM
IP: 204.94.193.38

Nothing to say here. Move along.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, August 7, 2003 12:07:27 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Back to my old image!

Cleo (out kitten, who is about 3 1/2 months old now), is becomming a big pain the ass. We have to be VERY careful when going outside or letting our other cat out, since she's quick and runs to the door when she hears it open (it creaks loudly). And her fetching abilty, though fun to watch, makes it more difficult. We throw her one of her many toys (kept on the cat bed that the cats rarely use, and she playes with them like everyday on her own), but she's wuick to get them, and will bring them back to you! It's especially hard for me to take my walks I do about 2-3 times a day, since I'm the one she tends to bring her toys to (despite the fact that she ignores me for everything else except food).

The house had finally stopped smelling of wet cat (it wasn't that bad, but enough to notice). Cleo fell into the toilet on Monday (I wasn't there, but My mom said she was laughing histerically, even though she was pissed at the mess she made), and Lola caught caught in a sudden horrendous downpoor on Tuesday, and took a good 10 hours to dry off (she has a very fine and thick coat, plus she was in the about 4 feet in the direct path of one of the vents. We have central air, and when it comes on, those fans are powerfull and cold, which probably didn't help the drying process much).

Now I'll go back to watching what I have of the Kim Possible epsiodes I'm downloading.
Andrea - [takarifreak@dark-stars.net]
Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:06:55 PM
IP: 209.91.49.213

..and Happy Birthday to Robby
Leo
Wednesday, August 6, 2003 01:49:59 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Spacebabie and Revel:

Ha Ha! I knew you'd choose THAT pic. :p

It's the one Spacebabie used when she first started posting here. :p :p :p
Leo
Wednesday, August 6, 2003 01:49:09 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Sigh

:::Pauses from kissing to type up something important:::

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY ROBBY. Good luck on your comic career.

:::Kisses Revel:::

From Revel
I have lessons learned from this trip that I will post later, but I have someone more important to focus on ;)

Spacie again
BTW we just saw Pirates yesterday and it was excellent.

:::Glomps Revel and kisses him again:::
Spacebabie and Revel
Wednesday, August 6, 2003 12:54:46 PM
IP: 4.72.104.10

Green Baron : There's a topless photo of me up in my website...
...
...of course, I was two years old when it was taken...

and speaking of online pics of me in my underwear- Mooncat, you have mail.

So, who out here has read the newest Spider Robinson book, "Callahan's Con?" (sadly, no, it is not about a convention, although it does reference the Key West Fantasy Fest several times.)

Lynati
Wednesday, August 6, 2003 04:26:18 AM
IP: 65.66.158.44

Spent the evening playing old music for old people.

Happy birthday Robby.

Jackal> <<you hit the nail on the freakin head>>: I must be a good guesser, then.

Pike> <>: Since this place gets wiped weekly, a tratidion started many moons ago of racing to be the first to post in the empty room.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, August 6, 2003 12:39:47 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Staring as my image for today...MYSELF! (yeah, I wish)

After many hours of downloading, I know have all 3 Avalon epsiodes and Awakening part 1 on my computer. Now I can watch them whenever (My mom has a tendacy to take over the TV when I'm using it, I have one in my room, but it's a piece of crap that's close to 20 years old, and no VCR. Plus I have a tendacy to rewind and re-watch scenes and watch them frame by frame, which pisses everyone off. I can take me over an hour to watch a 20 minute show...)

I'm LOADED on work hours. I was supposed to work only 3 days (about 21 hours), but my boss screwed up the scedule, and they needed replacements, so I'm up to 39 this week now. Next week I get 4 days (27 hours). I usually only get about 16-18 hours a week. They want to give me hours before I go off to school in 3 weeks (everyone else who is leaving is begging for them, so they thought it only fair to give me some of that share. Plus I've been there the longest of the part-timers, so I tend to get first priority when more hours are available.

Just thought I'd pop in. You can all go back to talking about Pendragon now.

One thing I've often wondered (rhetorical question): Has anyone who's met Arthur (talking Garg universe here, duh) started spewing out Monty Python & the Holy Grail quotes? (Run away!!) I can totally imagine Matt Bluestone doing that...and subseqently, Arthur's utter confusion about what the hell he's talking about...

Laters.
Andrea - [takarifreak@dark-stars.net]
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 11:36:04 PM
IP: 209.91.49.213

Re: TLC special on King Arthur:

Cool, it's hosted and narrated by Richard Harris!

Must have been one of his last projects.
Leo
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 10:11:46 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

One last thing, Todd. In older times, rape used to mean steal, hence where rapacious comes from, so rape may be a more fitting term as Uther was way back in the day, before the Germans ruled the Isles.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Rhein Main AB
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 09:55:09 PM
IP: 217.226.98.9

Greetings to all.

For those from a while back, I was sent to Germnay two yars ago, and at the moment I am at Rhein Main AB in Frankfurt, where I will borad a plane to a combat zone foi true danger, Baltimore :) From there, I will go to Bufallo and then to London to see Lain. Afterwards, I will be in Newfoundland, Rochester, Queens, and New Orleans before I head off to Korea in September.

Lain> See you in about 25 hours.

Bud-Clare> See you in a few weeks

Greg X, Bronx, and other Nyers interested> See you a week after that, if you'd like. I'll be at the YMCA in Flushing for the first weekend, too (which inspired me to Karaoke YMCA last Friday night).

Lynati, Mooncat> Attila wants any topless photos :) And now he just got booted from Hell all the way to some twisted version of Cleveland eternally run by Dennis Kucinich. I guess he never learns.

jackal> I always enjoy your rants and humor.

Jaden> Myabe I'll run into your Uncle. I'll be in B Det, 176th Fi. I was in B Det when I was in Kosovo, too.

Good night as I get ready to reprot fo rmy flight to Baltimore courtesy of Uncle Sam's mac flight service :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Rhein Main AB
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 09:52:01 PM
IP: 217.226.98.9

Mecord> Arthur run the Illuminati? Hmmm... It is an intriguing idea, but I doubt. King Arthur and Merlin prefer to deal with moral absolutes. Doubtful they could deal with the gray world of power and politics. There are complexities Arthur refuses to acknowledge and that his friends shield him from. Its great that he's so idealistic, but ideals have limited effectiveness.
Taleweaver
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 07:54:10 PM
IP: 24.205.177.107

****TGS Comments****
I have to agree with Vashkoda on one particular, it's odd for any "knight" of Arthur's to be unarmed. Though Griff usually fights without weapons and during the day Mary can't be said to be harmless. As for why Mary and Arthur went to the hill alone in the begining, it makes sense to me. The other's were setting up camp and Arther wanted to inspect the ruins, so of course his squire would accompany him.

I liked this episode because we get to see more interaction with the other characters. Dulcinea's injury makes for a problem on the quest. I wonder if they'll drag her along still or continue without her. I do wonder how exactly they're moving from one site to another. Do they hitch a ride or something? England's not huge but it does take precious time to move from one one spot to another. Rory's loosing control again also makes for an interesting problem. Hopefully they'll find a way to resolve a few of these problems later on.

The Duval Question: I've been thinking about Duval and I'm wondering if he created the Illuminati as he suggested or simply joined and took over. I had alway's had the impression (maybe from the pyramid that's their symbol) that it was more ancient than 500 A.D.. Also, if the Illuminati is even loosely based on Arthurian ideals and is in control of a large chunk of the world's governments, then at least some amount of balance and good is likely being done. Then consider that Arthur is supposed to arrive at some future date to save britain or (as is suggested several times) the world from some threat. Well, what if the illuminati crumbles? Duval is killed or overthrown and the different factions divide and fight for their own shamble of power. Duval saw Camelot and Britain fall when Arthur left. Maybe he sought immortality because he feared (correctly) that the same would happen to the Illuminati if he died. Considering the world wide chaos that would result, it might be just the occasion for the Once and Future King to arrive with a fresh band of knights to sieze and reorder what had once been the Illuminati. Just think, As head of the Illuminati Arthur would be a King. He could weed the corruption out of the society and run things his way. Thus the world is saved.

Well, it's an idea, and would make a good story.

****end TGS Comments****

later
Mecord
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 07:32:03 PM
IP: 12.255.15.248

Todd> His body is, but his mind obviously is not. It's what's on the inside that counts!
Vashkoda
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 05:53:58 PM
IP: 129.98.31.184

Tim: I do!!

Mooncat: [Nope, no e-mail. Are you sending it to my current e-mail addy? Either rapturev at yahoo.com or my cox.net addys should work. I have been waiting to hear if I can show my pics of the "After Gathering" collapse in my room. *^_^* heh...]
I think it was the cox.net one. Not sure now. As for the pics- if I was topless in any of those, no. Wait, wait, let me see them. Email me with linkies?
And about the gate- the pegs on the back are for mounting, like onto a piece of wood. If you don�t want it mounted, it should be too hard to cut them off.

Josh: O.o woah.

Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 04:32:20 PM
IP: 65.69.70.56

Do anybody know when the other TGS Fics will be published? TGS or Dark Ages for example?
Tim - [hardwing@web.de]
Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 02:51:59 PM
IP: 195.93.74.22

VASHKODA - Remember that Merlin's biologically a 15-year-old at present. That was what prompted Rory's remark.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 07:07:56 AM
IP: 171.75.194.9

Pike here... just checkin this room out, though I usually hang out in GFW chat...

Laterz.

(oh, I still wanna know what's with the first/second/whatever thingys :P)
SaxxonPike - [saxxonpike@hotmail.com]
Portage, WI
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 05:51:03 AM
IP: 24.196.108.113

TGS: Dinas Bran> I always like those fics with flashback moments in them. Though I must say, the line "when I die, you must cut off my head, and then dip it once in the waters of my cauldron" was just...*eew*. I do like how it turned out being the Cauldron of Life, and how Bran's stone head was compared to a gargoyle's. I wish there had been more discussion with Taliesan about whether the head really worked, considering the Romans had invaded before Arthur had it removed. Though my reaction to that flashback scene was, "Arthur--you are an *idiot*". I wanted to kick the man. Still, I don't think it's reason enough for Taliesan to have held a grudge all these centuries, especially if perhaps deep down he *had* realized the head hadn't worked against the Romans. Though being versed in magic, shouldn't he have been able to sense whether it worked or not? I like how he and Leba shared a 'bard moment'. =) I wish he could have given her a parting gift, like his magic harp or something, to make her a bit more useful to the group.

I am a bit surprised Arthur went alone with Mary on the hill, and later with just Mary and Leba. I suppose this is one area where he's adjusted to the 21st century way of thinking (or perhaps he's just showing off again, making the point that he doesn't need any strong warriors to protect him, and can in fact be trusted to keep two women safe at the same time as he's battling with a mysterious foe). To be honest, I'm not sure what good either Mary or Leba would be. Dulcinea didn't really do anything but get hurt when she was with Rory. In wolf form, Mary has her claws and fangs, but as a human, what good is she? None of them carry weapons except Arthur and Rory. I think that's a little ridiculous.

One last thing--during their discussion about the campfire, I really don't like how Rory put down Merlin by telling him, "I think that you�d better be leavin� this to the grown-ups". Excuse me? Cuchulain may be old, but Rory's just a reincarnation, whereas Merlin himself has lived over fifteen hundred years. Show some respect!
Vashkoda
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 02:29:19 AM
IP: 129.98.127.164

you're right, Gside... i apologize, i admit i lack elaboration skills. but you hit the nail on the freakin head by saying, "a bunch of slobs who treat it as a boy's club, getting drunk all the time and not taking it seriously."
that statement alone describes the firefighters in my area, and since firefighters view themselves as one big family, like sum kinda of mafia, i take the "one bad apple" point of view, you know what i mean?
i like doctors, i like cops... hell i like lawyers. all of those people have helped me in sum way. a group of firefighters were the only people on this earth to do me wrong in such a way that i could never forgive. i'm not sayin that it's right for ANY group of people to have a 110 story building fall on them... one bad apple is all i'm sayin...

anyway, much love, nobody get sars!
JacKaL
islamabad, ga, usa
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 02:17:46 AM
IP: 64.12.96.138

Just wanted to pop my head in and say.. *rolls out a huge banner and balloons appear from within the roll* "Happy 21st birthday Robby!"

Hehe. He's working hard at Antarctic Press right now so I thought of this.

*leaves*
Heather - [neo_digi@yahoo.com]
Warner Robins, GA, USA
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 12:12:32 AM
IP: 68.98.197.174

TGS proudly presents a Pendragon Season 4 Story . . .

Dinas Bran

Written by Todd Jensen

Outline by Todd Jensen

Original artwork by Lain

Click my name, go to the link at the top of the cr that says "Current Episode", or visit http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/ce.html to
read this week's story.
DPH - [<--Click here to read this week's story]
AR, USA
Tuesday, August 5, 2003 12:02:57 AM
IP: 204.94.193.47

Jacal> <<it's considered high treason to not like firefighters these days>>: Not just nowadays, it's usually been considered good to think nice things of people involved in emergency services (fire, police, EMT/medical). Enough so that an elaboration is usually expected if stating otherwise. E.g. They're a bunch of slobs who treat it as a boy's club, getting drunk all the time and not taking it seriously.

Fire Storm> <<just forget what I said>>: I thought as much.
<<they are a bunch of short (2-3 scroll pages) worth of text>>: I find 2-3 page downs a bit short. Maybe 10 or so, depending on font size, of course.
<>: Then go for that. I won't be doing mine piecemeal, if I ever finish it.

Gabriel> <<Gabe needs money>>: That's what you get for bailing out Lain.

Imzadi> <<Been here a whole 12 hours and haven't caught the SARS yet>>: Give it time. And I'm sure there are many othere diseases avaiable for you to catch.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, August 4, 2003 10:56:20 PM
IP: 68.37.214.185

Just thought I'd let everyone know that I'm in Taiwan right now livin' it up on Apple's dollar. Been here a whole 12 hours and haven't caught the SARS yet.
Josh
Monday, August 4, 2003 10:45:12 PM
IP: 61.222.89.142

For those who may be interested:

TLC (The Learning Channel) will be showing a small documentary about the life of King Arthur - "Based on extensive research and utilizing ultra-modern computer animation" - tomorrow at 10pm eastern.

More info can be found at:
http://tlc.discovery.com/tuneins/arthur.html
and
http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/arthur/arthur.html

Leo - [<-link]
Monday, August 4, 2003 10:28:54 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Oy, 'scuse my absence, last week was rather busy and excessively painful.

Now for some long overdue comments;

AIRWALKER - I wrote <<We may know Duval is Lancelot and that the Illuminati really are interested in the Grail but Arthur doesn't>>,

to which you responded <<Actually he does; Duval clearly admits to him that he's Lancelot and that they Illuminati are interested in the Grail. Arthur is doubtful about the Duval's claim to being Lancelot but Duval doesn't try to keep it a secret. He's pretty open about the entire thing.>> I was referring to Arthur's doubts when I said "Arthur doesn't." Arthur had seen nothing to corroborate Duval's claims. We know from Duval's scene with Nimue in "Iris, Lily, Rose" that he is Lancelot and the council scene in "Choices 1" established that they were after the Grail. But Arthur wasn't there for either of these scenes, he had little reason to believe Duval's claims. IIRC Mary even suggested Duval could be an imposter using information Arthur might have divulged under the memory drug in "Iris..." to fool Arthur. From Arthur's perspective, Duval could simply be an imposter and his offer a scheme to capture Griff.

<<(I'm not even sure why Griff is along considering that waiting for him in daylight slows them down considerably.)>>

Granted what I am about to say doesn't apply to this particaular story, but I think its rather sensible to bring Griff along. Merlin's vision in "Choices" implied that Arthur's knights would be facing a great many supernatural threats in the course of this quest. He'll probably need someone with metahuman physical abilities to stand a chance against such creatures. Arthur's entourage is currently comprised of two humans who are formidible hand to hand combatants but still merely human, a teenaged girl with enchanced senses but no combat training, and a sorcerer who may be powerful now but will probably grow progressively weaker as the quest goes on. Of all Arthur's allies only Roary has substantial super powers but they are unreliable because he can't control himself in a warp-spasm. If Arthur is going to be facing something along the lines of the Kraken or another stone dragon, having someone with super strength, sharp talons and wings might come in handy.

<> I don't think so. Griff is a cannon character. as far as I know TGS has only ever killed two cannon characters, Renard (who Greg was going to kill off anyway) and Sora (who IIRC at the time of "Darkest Hour" was a walk on character in one episode with a single line). Beyond that, Griff has a function in the PENDRAGON cast, he's the muscle and second in command. Griff's safe as far as I can tell.

LURKING ECHO - <<Banshee (who seems to have inexplicably disappeared)>> Good point, I wonder if we'll find out what she's been up to this season.

GREG BISHANSKY - <<Dammit, you just killed a story idea I had for a future season. You know, the one I mentioned a while back about a zombie Jesus rising from the grave to feast upon the flesh of the living? It would have been a great story too ;)>> I thought Todd only said TGS wouldn't do stories about Jesus and Mary having kids, I didn't see anything nixing zombification. That WOULD be a great story! C'mon TGS, PENDRAGON SEASON 5: KING ARTHUR Vs. ZOMBIE JESUS CHRIST, it would be the best fanfic ever! :)

<<in TGS, Demona and Andrea are NOT lesbian lovers. Never were, never will be. Though Andrea herself is a lesbian (there was a big clue to this in a season 2 story)>> Is that Unsilee halfling Candy her ex-girlfriend? I vaguely remember Candy making reference to a female ex named Andy in a season 2 ep.

RENDEMONA - <<yo, what up>> Not much, the ceiling, overhead light fixture...
Graymonk - [mmckinnongra@hotmail.com]
Monday, August 4, 2003 09:05:16 PM
IP: 156.34.233.138

yo, what up.
rendemona - [rendemona@hotmail.com]
chicago, IL, USA
Monday, August 4, 2003 07:50:42 PM
IP: 64.53.199.176

MOONCAT - That is a good point. (I might add that I wasn't trying to justify Uther here; I merely thought that we were using the wrong word here. I certainly find seduction through deception to be a crime alongside rape.)

One interesting tidbit about Igraine: Malory emphasizes in his work about her being quite intelligent. In his work, she's the one who picks up on Uther lusting after her before Gorlois does (in Geoffrey of Monmouth, it's Gorlois who does that first), and also in Malory, Igraine works out, after learning about her husband's death and everything about it, that he was slain before the man looking like Gorlois ever got to Tintagel - but deliberately says nothing about it. It seems that Malory had a strong respect for female intelligence and perceptiveness.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, August 4, 2003 06:08:44 PM
IP: 171.75.195.22

Hey, people. Gabe needs money, therefore Gabe is selling stuff. If anyone is interested in buyin a Gargoyles cell and production drawing of Goliath in a frame (that's how it came) then e-mail pronto :). Later.
Gabriel - [blackmetalgargoyleAThotmailDOTcom]
Monday, August 4, 2003 02:30:50 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Gside: 
Ah... I see...
<I'm talking about EMACS>
Yeah, just forget what I said.
<I'll take it how I can get it, but I get annoyed by people who don't finish their incremental stories after releasing most of them.>
Oh yeah. That sucks.
I am just curious because I have been reading Darwin's stories in the GFW, and they are a bunch of short (2-3 scroll pages) worth of text, and he has been releasing them daily. I was just wondering if it would be better for me to chop my larger stories (50+ word pages) into smaller chunks or to release them as one large story (I am leaning towards 1 large story).

Siryn: <submissions by the 15th. I know its majorly last minute>
I plan on making it with at least one article.

Firefighters: My uncle is a firefighter, so I of course am biased towards firefighters.
Fire STorm
Monday, August 4, 2003 12:11:25 PM
IP: 66.72.178.104

I don't know. Do doctors walk knowingly into a dangerous situation? No, patients are usually brought to them. Sorry, I do nitpick about respect for firefighters because my dad is one of them - a volunteer. The volunteer fire departments have to scrounge around for money to keep equipment maintanced and have to keep hoping for volunteers to join to fight. Those people don't fight fires for the money. Doctors get well paid for their efforts; maybe that's why firefighters are held in higher esteem than doctors. Also, fire fighters strive to improve response time; how many people have to sit and wait for the doctor?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, August 4, 2003 10:56:02 AM
IP: 204.94.193.59

Todd -- I think Uther's actions are a lot closer to Rape than Seduction. If he'd worn any face *other* than Gorlois' when taking Igraine to bed, it might be considered seduction, but by appearing as her lawful lord and husband Gorlois, Igraine did not have the option of NOT having sex with the man she believed to be her legitimate spouse.

If Elisa married Goliath, and Proteus took Goliath's form and went to Elisa while Goliath was fighting with Proteus's team of thugs, disguised himself as Goliath and bedded Elisa, that wouldn't be rape, by your definition? Then when Elisa is made aware that the male who "seduced" her was not her husband and that her husband was in fact fighting and dying while she was being "seduced"... Well Proteus didn't "force" her to have sex, did he? So it wouldn't be rape, would it? He only "seduced" her? Somehow I don't think she'd feel this was any less a violation of her than conventional rape.

Uther went to Tintagle with the sole purpose to have sexual relations with a woman who would not willingly have them with him. Even if no physical force is used, the fact Igraine would not willingly have sex with a man other than her lawfully wedded husband pretty much defines Uther's act as rape.

Lack of violence does not absolve a rapist of his crime. Otherwise every person who was given a roofie and their ability to say "no" taken away from them would be considered a person who'd been "seduced" and not raped. By appearing as Igraine's husband, Uther forced her into a sexual relation she would not have had *willingly* with any man except her lawful husband. That the "force" used was trickery instead of a physical blow doesn't make the fact Igraine would not willingly lay with Uther any less of a rape.

Off to figure out the workings of my new Sony Clie now... This is cool... Now if I can only suss out how to Hot Synch *^_^*

>^,,^<
Mooncat
Monday, August 4, 2003 10:34:42 AM
IP: 68.102.0.23

i know, i know... it's considered high treason to not like firefighters these days. but i'm sorry, i don't. now before i'm asked the question, "what if your house was burning down and your family was trapped inside?" let me say this... alota people don't like hospitals... alota people don't like doctors, did these people and facilities contribute any less during 9-11? i'm just sayin that they are still treated like crap, no one seems to care, talk bad about a firefighter and people are ready to go patriotic on ur ass. granted doctors generally don't have a life threatening job, but they are left with the clean up and aftercare of... say.. a burn victim pulled out of a fire, and in my opinion that takes more concern and is more stressful than the 2 and half minutes it takes than to storm in a place, pick sumone up, and run them back out. i'm just sayin.......

anyway, hey yall, love ya! LoL
JacKaL
Monday, August 4, 2003 10:12:11 AM
IP: 152.163.194.184

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Monday, August 4, 2003 09:05:38 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

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Monday, August 4, 2003 08:40:57 AM
IP: 12.255.1.249

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Monday, August 4, 2003 08:35:05 AM
IP: 24.205.177.107

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Monday, August 4, 2003 07:23:19 AM
IP: 137.149.84.20

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Monday, August 4, 2003 06:59:54 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

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Monday, August 4, 2003 06:48:04 AM
IP: 68.73.169.134

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Monday, August 4, 2003 06:04:28 AM
IP: 203.164.10.156

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Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, August 4, 2003 04:33:40 AM
IP: 68.37.214.185

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lain
Monday, August 4, 2003 04:31:12 AM
IP: 65.93.89.139