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spacie>> "To the most evil."

*yoink*

its always the ones you least expect.....
;)
lain
Monday, December 15, 2003 05:02:44 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

lynati>> <<Only me and Gunjack are allowed to cover lain in pie-related products, and I'm not so sure about me>> of course! cute girls are ALWAYS allowed to cover me in pie-related products :D
Also, you need to be on IM or something so I can talk to you about... you know... stuff...
lain
Monday, December 15, 2003 05:01:09 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Enters the CR clutching something shiney.

she glares at everyone before she tosses a golden apple into the room.

The apple lands without any damages and allowing people the easy view of what is written on the apple

"To the most evil."
Spacebabie
Monday, December 15, 2003 04:58:44 PM
IP: 4.72.65.108

Vinnie: [****Covers lain from head to toe in cream pies from Mister Carter**** ]

Hey! *yells "Accio pies!" and sends them into the CR fridge*

Only me and Gunjack are allowed to cover lain in pie-related products, and I'm not so sure about me.

Greg: [LAIN> Welcome aboard. I am charging you with a quest. Your quest is to find Josh's ass... and then beat it. That'll teach him to stop posting in here

Unless I'm mistaken, he's in the middle of finals.

Green Baron [And just because I'm in love with a Newfie girl]

Newfie girl? *looks blank* You've mentioned this before, I know, but I just can't seem to remember...
Bachue (stage whisper): It's Carbonear. ; )
Heh.
Lynati
San Antonio
Monday, December 15, 2003 04:43:11 PM
IP: 172.135.32.63

vinnie>> <<Oh I have a very well developed sense of humor>> maybe you should try exercising it then ;) <<See!>> no, actually... <<Anyone who treats and kills his own people like Saddam did is a Terrorist>> uh, no. youve got your definitions mixed up there. the word "terrorism" is being flung about inappropriately far too much these days...
for starters, anyone who treats and kills his own people like saddam did is a "tyrant" or "repressive dictator". "Terrorism" is "the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological." (this quote is from the US department of defence).
furthermore, "terrorism is intended to produce fear; by implication, that fear is engendered in someone other than the victim." so saddams ill-treatment of HIS OWN people is NOT "terrorism" it is "bad leadership" and/or "abuse of power". also, an act of "terrorism" is something that must be carried out against a civilian population, not against an army. thus, the current attacks on US soldiers in iraq, and the bombing of the cole are NOT acts of "terrorism" but more appropriately acts of "war" (unanswered or not).
note: i am not trying to be unduly anal about this, but the word is being misued and its resulting in the degradation of its meaning. not all nasty violence is terrorism - terrorism is only a very small, specifically defined TYPE of violence.
<<Of course if the media had not taken so light a hand with him, and surpressed their stories>> oh, you mean like how the media is taking a "light hand" and "surpressing the stories" of GW's alliance with, say, the leader of uzbekistan? who appears to be, by all accounts, just as bad as saddam? o.O

***** WARNING!! LINK NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART*****

(http://informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm)

***** END WARNING*****

(if you dont like that source, you can find exactly the same information from human rights watch, among other places. you might also find pictures of powell giving karimov a hug
http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Mar2002/020313-D-2987S-101.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/pol/us-and-uz.htm
seems reminiscent of those old photos of rumsfeld being buddy-buddy with saddam.)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ (now yes, this is an oldie but still a goody... 1983 would be when saddam was using his *chemical weapons* (wonder where he got them!?) against iranian soldiers)
<<****Covers lain from head to toe in cream pies from Mister Carter****>> mmmmm, double entendre, no thanks - theres only ONE conservative whose.. no, nevermind, ill quit while im ahead :P
<<What a wonderful dream that would be. To bad it's not real>> how bizzare.. o.O

rev>> <> some cats are more graceful than others.. take charlie for example - the only cat ive ever known to set his tail on fire and not even notice...

vinnie, leo>> re: desdemona and othello>> thanks for confirming and providing story titles.
lain
Monday, December 15, 2003 04:42:04 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

wondering:<<what every happened to Othello and Desdemona when they become flesh again after "aftermath">>They went back with Gabriel to Avalon after Broadway and Angela's mating ceremony. It was towards the end of "Something Old, Something New."
Leo
Monday, December 15, 2003 02:39:39 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

lain:< aaah yes, the ever-present CR member with no sense of humour... :P> Oh I have a very well developed sense of humor. Some would say overly developed, to be completely honest. <like a funny-ha-ha?> See! <terrorist..? evilbadnasty dictator yeah, but terrorist?> Anyone who treats and kills his own people like Saddam did is a Terrorist. Of course if the media had not taken so light a hand with him, and surpressed their stories, we might have taken him out of action during the first Gulf War. That is a big MAYBE! ****Covers lain from head to toe in cream pies from Mister Carter****

wondering:<what every happened to Othello and Desdemona when they become flesh again after "aftermath"> They had a brief mention in "Return To Avalon". Apparently they were on the other side of the island.

ghost of Reverend Attila:<It seems my enemies are joining the Green Baron. The UN has issued a condemnation of Mars for its persecution of a fedual Scottish warlord and for employing me. I can stop that...zapola!!! The UN Building in Manhattan has been converted into resiential brownstones and Kofi Anan is a doorman, and all the Middle Eastern Ambassadors have been transformed into cab drivers.> What a wonderful dream that would be. To bad it's not real!

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, December 15, 2003 01:33:01 PM
IP: 216.234.99.43

Rev. Attila- You sure have a bad aim, and here I thought cats were graceful. That the last time we put a ghost in charge of munitions and artilery.

While we are invading the Swiss might it be a small favor of the Lord Regent to save some chocolate so that I can pass it to my mate? ;)
Revel
Monday, December 15, 2003 12:27:40 PM
IP: 172.150.168.26

I have the Green Baron located. He's in London, near the headquarters of the UK Guardian...aiming, fire......damn, he got away, but the UK Guardian Building is a gaping hole in the ground.

It seems my enemies are joining the Green Baron. The UN has issued a condemnation of Mars for its persecution of a fedual Scottish warlord and for employing me. I can stop that...zapola!!! The UN Building in Manhattan has been converted into resiential brownstones and Kofi Anan is a doorman, and all the Middle Eastern Ambassadors have been transformed into cab drivers.

Greg X> I have several billion dollars in Switzerland...and the Cayman Islands. Let's spare them.

Vinnie> I'd consider Zapata bigger than Pancho Villa as he is still remembered and has his dangerous following. Nowadays they could have gotten California driving liscences.

Leo> So it has. It was still amusing.

Gside> Then Bud Clare will continue to beat you, excpet you enjoy it. I'll lock you in a room and make you listen to a debate between Ross Perot, Joe Lieberman, and Jimmy Carter, whiel being exiled to Newark.

Lain> Bomb W Edmonton? I'll bomb Shawinigan first. I have too much power invested in Alberta to piss them off and have them join the Green Baron, though he has Edmonton but I have Calgary.
ghost of Reverend Attila
Monday, December 15, 2003 04:55:54 AM
IP: 61.83.203.198

vinnie>> << Oh great and powerful one (rolleyes) you really shouldn't take credit for things you have no power over>> aaah yes, the ever-present CR member with no sense of humour... :P <<Like a hole in the head!>> like a funny-ha-ha? o.O
just because YOURE a grumpy-pants doesnt mean you have to go ruining OUR fun :P
<<Well that's one Terrorist who wont wind up like Pancho Villa>> terrorist..? evilbadnasty dictator yeah, but terrorist?

jaden>> <<THAT'S NO EXUSE!!! ;P>> well... i dont recall there being anyone locked in there WITH him...

bud-clare>> <> cheese? i like cheese... did you know its possible to become biochemically addicted to cheese? i am SO there...

todd>> <<Sorry, but the mutant mistletoe was all burnt by mutant-haters who decided not to be content with persecuting human mutants>> i thought the mutant mistletoe was owned by the valentine crime syndicate with the kodama mobsters or something... o.O

le vert baronne>> wouldnt it be... le baron vert?

ghost of the reverend attila>> <> i assume youll "bomb them all" then..?

wondering>> <<Hey I was just wondering -- forgive my ignorance but uhm-- what every happened to Othello and Desdemona when they become flesh again after "aftermath" did they stay in wyvern?>> they stayed on avalon, didnt they? o.O or maybe im crazy.. anyone else? it would be nice to answer the question about TGS, since this is, in fact a TGS COMMENT ROOM :P
lain
Monday, December 15, 2003 04:49:03 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Dezi:<Pancho was small potatos.> Maybe, but he still got away with it, despite a massive effort on the part of the U.S.A.

Greg Bishansky:<And let it be known, Saddam Hussein was captured while the Comment Room was under Martian Law. Not under the usurper the Green Baron.> Oh great and powerful one (rolleyes) you really shouldn't take credit for things you have no power over.

<Martian Law gets results> Like a hole in the head!

To everyone: Take cover as my never ending supply of pies are shot out from Mister Carter.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, December 15, 2003 03:37:36 AM
IP: 216.234.99.230

Sorry I missed a week. Finals and such. My College Algebra final was murder. If I missed anyones comments to me let me know.

lain <How long was he locked in that tower of air??> THAT'S NO EXUSE!!! ;P

Well back to studying. Wish me luck.
Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Monday, December 15, 2003 01:41:48 AM
IP: 172.198.253.185

BUD-CLARE/DAME DEIMOS: "I would like to remind the Lord Regent that Switzerland does, in fact, make some very yummy cheeses and chocolates which I would be loathe to part with. Perhaps special dispensation for chocolate and cheese makers?"

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Yes, that works for me.
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Monday, December 15, 2003 01:29:49 AM
IP: 216.179.1.151

BUD-CLARE/DAME DEIMOS: "I would like to remind the Lord Regent that Switzerland does, in fact, make some very yummy cheeses and chocolates which I would be loathe to part with. Perhaps special dispensation for chocolate and cheese makers?"

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Yes, that works for me.
Anonymous
Monday, December 15, 2003 01:29:26 AM
IP: 216.179.1.151

Greg> <<Besides, who'll miss Switzerland anyway?>>
I would like to remind the Lord Regent that Switzerland does, in fact, make some very yummy cheeses and chocolates which I would be loathe to part with. Perhaps special dispensation for chocolate and cheese makers?
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Captain Euro> <<am not French, but the embodiement of all of Europe>>
You surrender just like a frenchman.

<<and why are you beating my ass in a unilateral form not approved by International Law?>>
International law doesn't apply to Mars, you moron. *beats ass*
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Gside> <>
I never tire of ass beating. Muahahaha!

<<Yes Mistress, again.>>
See, that sounds better to me than dame. Dame makes me expect to be called sister at some point, and I find that very confusing.

<<What do you think of brown? though I hear a a good bleaching will bring a victory.>>
Ick. Just ick.

<<Death isn't all he's cracked up to be. I mean he can't figure out plumbing.>>
He's too cool for plumbing.
Bud-Clare
Monday, December 15, 2003 01:02:14 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Master Greg: I have sniffed out an approximate location of the usurper. But we will need stealth in order to flush him out. (I have been watching the news today and taking some notes). Perhaps Atilla's transformation gun can be put to good use? C'mon, I wanna chomp someone! I say we turn his bunkerwalls to jello!

...and as for Gside's plan of waiting us out...ha! I will have the last laugh! I've had my eye on this planet for about half of my life now (okay so that's only about 3 years, but still).
Gside: Oh yeah, and I spoke with Dezi and she said that as long as her dad says its secret, whatever. Let him have his fun, he is getting shot at. Bullets suck.

Now, as I am a good Dog-Knight of Mars, I will go back to watching "The Gathering" on Toon Disney.

Dottie-dog
Monday, December 15, 2003 12:23:28 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

ghost of Reverend Attila: <<Guess what they will sell on ebay.>>

LOL!! Notice under the "Shipping and payment details."

"THIS AUCTION HAS BEEN TERMINATED."

Leo
Monday, December 15, 2003 12:19:16 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

BAH, I will descend upon my enemies like a wolf among sheep. The streets will run red with the blood of my enemies!!!!!

Besides, who'll miss Switzerland anyway?
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:32:35 PM
IP: 216.179.3.60

Greg> <<Ares despises neutrals>>: I am not neutral, I just do not subscribe to your dichotomous views of the universe. I am on my own side, and after you have exhausted yourselves in your conflict, it shall be I who will stand triumphant from the ashes.

Bud Clare> <<beats Gside's ass>>: Yes Mistress, again.
<<How about the color of your choice versus Uranus?>>: What do you think of brown? though I hear a a good bleaching will bring a victory.
<<You'll give him delusions of grandeur>>: Death isn't all he's cracked up to be. I mean he can't figure out plumbing. But I wouldn't mind having a pool of skeletal fish.

Greg> <<Saddam, you'll soon be having your creepy butt sex with Satan>>: Which reminds me, just how much fun will the South Park crew have with his new look?

Dezi> <<there was a big white space. then i changed teh text color>>: You might want to look at rot13 for a quick and dirty way of hiding information. Hidden colors would be in plain site to anyone looking at them with a really stupid program.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:06:38 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Sorry, click on my name to see who loves Sadaam.
ghost of Reverend Attila
Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:47:47 PM
IP: 218.145.25.48

Well, guess who wasn't happy with Sadaam's capture. In my paws, I have the smallest violin in the world playing a sad little song for them.

Question> Fox and CNN are a lot better than the dinosaurs known as CBS, NBC, and ABC.

I prefer Al Jazeera over the dinosaurs.

I do snicker at the Fair and Balanced line, but I still enjoy it. All the News that's Fit to Print is another one that makes me laugh.

Manwhile I have a new transformation ray and I will test it now.......yeehaw!! The Eiffel Tower has just been converted into a giant McDonald's. Now, to use it to transform GB's base into a giant prison or worse...hahaha
ghost of Reverend Attila
Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:47:07 PM
IP: 218.145.25.48

Guess what they will sell on ebay.

Silvadel> I bet Chirac, Putin, Schroeder, and Arafat are sweating right now.

Greg X> Glory to Martian rule and boo to Kucinich and his Department of Peace idea.

ghost of Reverend Attila - [<--click here]
Sunday, December 14, 2003 06:30:27 PM
IP: 218.145.25.48

And let it be known, Saddam Hussein was captured while the Comment Room was under Martian Law. Not under the usurper the Green Baron.

Martian Law gets results
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Sunday, December 14, 2003 02:25:54 PM
IP: 216.179.3.60

Pancho was small potatos.

Anyway. I talked to my stepmom. She is practically on another planet right now. (and with us being under martian law, she might as well be). She was watching some of the press conferences, and the podium she said had a military insignia on it. It was my dad's (batalion? I don't know exactly what size group). Yea! I can't wait for him to email or call. Woopeeeee!
Dezi
Sunday, December 14, 2003 02:05:18 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Well that's one Terrorist who wont wind up like Pancho Villa.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761578813/Pancho_Villa.html
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, December 14, 2003 01:18:54 PM
IP: 216.234.99.152

Now, now. You never know. Saddam could get Johnny Cochran to defend him at his trial. There will be no conviction if that happens. He may even use the Chewbacca Defense.

I can see it now...

"Ladies and Gentlemen of this supposed jury, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a wookie, from the planet Kishik. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. That does not make sense.

"Why would a wookie, an 8 foot tall wookie, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks. That does not make sense.

"But more importantly, you must ask yourself: what does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and Gentlemen of this supposed jury, it has nothing to do with this case. Look at me, I'm a lawyer, defending a major Middle Eastern dictator, and I'm talking about Chewbacca. I am not making any sense. None of this makes any sense.

So, when you're in that jury room debating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation, you must ask yourself this question: Does it make sense?

No. It does not make sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit. The defense rests.

*********************************

See, this is why under Martian Law, Lawyers, doctors and other wizards are FORBIDDEN!
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:38:28 PM
IP: 216.179.3.60

Ok I just woke up/
I also have one contact in and in a hurry, so sorry already for crappy typing...
you guys can be proud to knwo that i just heard the latest news from you !!!! thanks green bean ;)

but hey get this:
my dad called me and i got to talk to him for like an hour and a half on this last tuesday. he said something big was going down, like dan rather coming back to the region big. he is currently at balad airport between tikrit and samarra. he had some buddies that fought in that thing 2 weeks ago where they took out like 40 iraqis over that currency heist. anyway. he told me he would send me an email when it was all getting ready to go (the big thing) he said that the first guys in there made their mark on history by taking bagdad, then another group made their mark by getting the sons. this thing going down was gonna be dad's group's last push at trying to make their mark on history. they were gonna try to get saddam (what else would be so cool?). dad tryied to call me yesterday morning. but i missed the call. he emailed me instead, it was that email i was waiting for. he wanted to know if i could pick up a present for cmas for my sis. there was a big white space. then i changed teh text color and there we go. it was all there. not the battle plan or anything, but hte news that they were getting ready to move on their plan, and to be watching the news. i emailed him to call me i would be home all day to day, and to be careful, then i went to work and waited.
holy cow holy cow holy cow.
ok granted, i dont know how much my dad's role is but he is in the fourth ID so now i gotta go watch the news and wait for a phone call!!!!!!!!!!!
to repeat green baron:
BOOYA!
Dezi
Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:16:48 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Of course that was me with the lucy image -- forgot to put in the name =) this is a wonderful day.
silvadel
Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:03:19 PM
IP: 24.225.134.30

Yes this is wonderful news -- I never thought we were going to capture him alive....

Lots of people out there are probably quaking in their boots at the dirty laundry that could come out over the next few weeks...

This will be wonderful for our soldiers and for the people of iraq...

Anonymous
Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:02:38 PM
IP: 24.225.134.30

WOO! Great news. Early X-Mas gift.

I say give him to the Iraqi people, let them try him and execute him... they'll do it brutally... lol.

Saddam, you'll soon be having your creepy butt sex with Satan.
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:47:12 AM
IP: 216.179.3.110

I wouldn't trust the fair and balance news channel too much.

So what should we do with him? Give him to the Iraqis for a trial and execution or throw him in prison for the rest of his life hopefully with a visit from Bubba.
Question
Sunday, December 14, 2003 09:07:04 AM
IP: 144.92.164.204

Fox news compares his mental state to that of King Lear.

Well, the SOB will get what he deserves. I say, 7 in 10 chance he 'slips on soap and breaks his neck' in prison before any trial.
Archwolf
Sunday, December 14, 2003 08:53:46 AM
IP: 24.54.134.129

In a moment of truce, all I have to say is booya!!!

One mass murdering monster captured. Woohoo to the 4th ID.

I hope the Kurds get the right to try and punish him first. I also hope it's really him.
Green Baron
Undisclosed location
Sunday, December 14, 2003 07:03:07 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

I am Captain Euro and I come to negotiate.

Greg X> Surely this problem canbe solved diplomatically. This unilateral attack on the Green Baron and the use of that evil French-bashing cat are not necessary. Why the UN will send inspectors to search for the Green Baron while Jimmy Carter will build a house for him so he can live in exile, while the world's taxpayers pay for his basic needs.

Attila has many enemies willing to offer sanctuary.

Bud-Clare> I am not French, but the embodiement of all of Europe, and why are you beating my ass in a unilateral form not approved by International Law?
Captain Euro
Sunday, December 14, 2003 03:22:54 AM
IP: 218.145.25.16

This is too funny for words.
Question - [<---- :D]
Sunday, December 14, 2003 02:24:29 AM
IP: 144.92.164.204

Greg> <<Ares despises neutrals! He shall smite them!>>
Right, I'm on it.

*beats Gside's ass*
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DPH> <<The holograms bleed holographic blood and smell real.>>
Yeah, but did you remember to make the blood _taste_ real? You weren't expecting a _dog_, were you? Admit it!
___________________________
Gside> <<What color and heavenly body shall I now set at odds?>>
How about the color of your choice versus Uranus?

<<To paraphrase someone else: THERE IS NO JUSTICE THERE IS ONLY YOU.>>
Oh, stop. You'll give him delusions of grandeur.
(I can't be the only one who was laughing inappropriately while reading the Ask Greg post where Greg answered all in caps.)
_______________________
Right. Going to sleep now. But I'll dream of beating asses as befits my rank.
Bud-Clare
Sunday, December 14, 2003 01:34:09 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Ares despises neutrals!

He shall smite them!
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:49:38 AM
IP: 216.179.3.110

As of now, I'm renegotiating my deal with Green Baron. Instead of being under his direct command, I declare myself an ally of his. On practical terms, it means he can't give me orders but instead I will help him out in ways I think best. I'm only siding with Green Baron because he's the lesser of two evils. By the way, I've been informed GXB's side doesn't take too kindly to neutrals.

Fire Storm - <Besides... Green Baron gave DPH space! That alone pisses me off! So it all balances out!> That was the price of my alliance with him. I'm not sure I can trust the other side and I can have my self-sufficient space station so that I can protect myself from would-be killers.

Dottie dog - <Holograms don't smell> Obviously, you have never been around my advanced holograms. The holograms bleed holographic blood and smell real. You'll have to use advanced scanners to determine what it is and isn't a hologram.

Oh yea, there's something I should have done earlier: I call forth the spirit of DisHarmony to use her magic on both sides of this conflict, therefore, ensuring continuance of infighting among all factions.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:46:14 AM
IP: 204.94.193.18

Bud Clare> <<Gee, and I thought that I'd just pulled the idea out of my ass>>: Well, someone did, probably well before either of use.

Lain> <<and what a fine job youve done>>: Yes, I alone am responsible for the Green/Martian conflict, without even having taken a side. What color and heavenly body shall I now set at odds?

Green Baron> <<Wilek is not posting anymore so the honor befell Firestorm>>: But he should at least be given honorary primary claim to the position.
<<Le Vert Baronne>>: Well, adjectives come last and -nne is too feminine for a guy. You'd probably be Le Baron Vert, pronounced something like L[schwa] Baro(n) Verre.

Fire Storm> <>: I had another bright idea: sell shares of stock in your marriage.
<<Although I have contemplated seriously asking LM to go onto Camwhores>>: So the Lady engoys... pho-tography, eh? Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more? Let me know if you convince her.
<>: Nurse Lavish isn't available?
<<Dude... you have to corrupt him before it's too late!>>: It's been too late too long ago.
<<Tame...>>: What do you expect? Him ot almost burn a church down? Wait, he already did that.
<<You are the rarest one of you in the world>>: Therefore everyone should be fighting over me.
<<Cosplay Fangirls Gone Wild>>: What percentage as catgirls? With a plug in tail, of course.
<<All is equal in pain and death>>: To paraphrase someone else: THERE IS NO JUSTICE THERE IS ONLY YOU.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:31:35 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Fire Storm> <<Yeah, but what is a war without some conflict between the Knights of Mars?>>
Non-amateurish.

<<As if! Don't make me pull out the Sythe of Pain! Again!>>
You've already smited yourself with the Typo of Doom, so what do I have to fear?
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Dottie-dog> <<*Chomps Bud-Clare and Fire Storm's asses for infighting*>>
*swats with a rolled up newspaper* I wasn't fighting, I was enforcing discipline for the good of the cause.
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:54:11 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Todd/Ed> I'm sorry to see you guys go. You gave us a fabulous season of stories--thank you.

GB> You realize that a 'baronne' would be a baroness, right? *suddenly pictures GB with long black hair, glasses, and an eastern european accent*

****spoilers follow below this line******
TGS: Carbonek 2> I wonder how much marriage really means to Nigel, other than as something to help his public image. He doesn't want to postpone the wedding because he doesn't want any talk, but he's clearly uncomfortable about marrying Morgana and acknowledges that she's deceived him. He mentions the Connection in the beginning, but it doesn't come up again. Pity, because I would have liked to see him completely change his mind about Arthur, if not about Morgana. In the end, he marries Morgana out of pity. (It makes me wonder just how much Morgana's death would affect him later). Nice background info about Fiona--I guess the TA one was Mary's great-grandmother. Too bad we never got to see Mary interact with the Hunters.

It's a bit odd to see Marter and the clan plan an offense, as gargoyles are usually defensive. Is their only motive to get the Illuminati away from the estate? At this point they don't know where Carbonek will appear, or what the Illuminati is planning; it seems a bit early for them to be making plans of their own, and I don't know how Arthur could say something like, "these are the most likely positions that the Illuminati's soldiers will take up". As I mentioned previously, I wish Griff had more of a Grail-related role, considering how hard he tried to prove himself worthy during the season. Leading one of the clan groups against the Illuminati seems like something anyone could do. As for his speech to the clan, I also thought that was unnecessary. While Una and Leo needed convincing to leave the store back in "MIA", here the clan is fighting to drive the Illuminati away from the area, something that will not only help Arthur, but also drive them away from their home town. They shouldn't need convincing, not to mention the fact that several groups of them have been chasing Minions and such in past seasons, and going after the Illuminati should not now be seen as any different (the clan has no experience with them, so they would not even perceive them as a greater challenge). Michael's fear that their numbers will give away the fact that a clan is nearby doesn't really hold water--seeing even a handful of gargoyles would say as much. I guess the argument seems even less convincing to the reader since we know the Illuminati are already aware of them. I was also surprised that Briana did not stand by Griff. She might not like the fact that he leaves her behind to travel with Arthur, but that shouldn't be reason enough to betray him in his time of need (if that was even her reason. I'm surprised she's one of the strongest voices against the clan's participation; she's not even originally *from* the London clan). Even if she secretly didn't approve, I would have expected her to support her mate. I wish an explanation had been given for her behavior. It was good that Griff's speech reminded them that it is a gargoyle's nature to protect. I like how he makes reference to the Great Quest, probably without even realizing there's a prophecy about it.

Morgana's sudden decision to abandon her feelings for 'family' also seem off. Finding a new family has always been up there as one of her top goals, along with revenge. Her reaction to learning that Mary will be sacrificed should not just be fear for her plans being foiled, but also fear of losing her new daughter. Turning her to stone does not sound like an option she would consider. When she finally confronts Mary, she begs her not to throw her life away, but at this point I'm wondering how much of her sympathy is really an act. Telling the ravens to 'do whatever you must' to Mary also sounds like Morgana has given up on her. I suppose this marks the beginning of Morgana's self-destructive spiral into darkness. I don't see how there's really any chance at redemption for her after this (so I'm glad the writers don't bother trying to give her one).

Misc> Yay for cool english guys named "Giles"! I like Macbeth's line, "Madam, there is only one person in the world who can take my life, and with all due respect, it�s not you." I like how Arthur finally takes a stand and basically says, "No, I'm not going to do it. If that's the price, screw it." At the beginning of the fic, Mary makes comments about how she's not enjoying being a werewolf, which is actually the first time in a while she's made that remark. After her pro-wolf declaration in "Wolves" and how she keeps fondly thinking about Fenris, I figured she'd accepted and started appreciating the curse. Lastly, the revelation that it was Avallach was kind of an 'eh' moment for me. I haven't really been following the 'who's who' in the fae royal court, and didn't even remember him from before "The Godslayer". It's too bad, because I sense this was supposed to be a big revelation that was being built up towards the end of the fic. Ah well, maybe I'm just bitter it wasn't Duval. ;P

TGS: Carbonek 3> I like the opening shots with old characters from the series. Jen's dad finally dies, but we still have no explanation for why he was having visions.

I was 'eh' about Avallach being the FK, but I was actually disappointed/irritated that Tanaburs was also a fae. Granted, the Pendragon myths are often intertwined with Avalon myths, but I don't like having the fae be keepers of a holy human artifact. I'm not being 'racist', but I honestly don't see their involvement as necessary. They are two different sources of 'magic', and having one be involved with the other just seemed a bit over the top. I suppose what I also didn't like was the fact that Carbonek didn't even have anything to do with the Grail--it was just a sanctuary built by Tanaburs for Avalach to heal in, until Joseph asked them to store the Grail there. Did the Grail's magic suddenly take over the castle, deciding where and when it shiuld appear? Or were Avallach and Tanaburs bored with spending their lives hiding away in a castle, and decided to play god, choosing who was worthy enough to catch a glimpse of the Grail? Just how sentient was the Grail, and the castle, for that matter? If the castle was not originally built to house the Grail, why did it crumble when the Grail left? And by what right did Avallach decide that no one after Arthur should see the Grail? Had the Grail been waiting all this time for the one who sent those three knights on their journey to himself visit Carbonek, before at last disappearing? Or is Arthur the last survivor of a forgotten age when people were more pure and faithful, and no one afterwards deserves the Grail? Avallach says that his "work" was completed and passes the Grail's "tradition" onto Arthur, but there isn't any mention of what that is, or if Avallach made it up, or if he learned it from the Grail (did he also have a vision from looking inside it?). Basically, I think the "Fisher King"'s role should have been better explained.

Avallach's decision not to tell anyone that he was alive in order to maintain the order of succession struck struck me as quite similar to MacBeth's decision to let Lulach rule in his place.

I like how all the villains converge on the scene at once (it was good to split the forces into three groups, so that we didn't lose track of who was fighting who). I wondered why the gargoyles didn't just wait for the villains to pick each other off before joining in (and why they were in such a hurry to attack if the Castle clearly had its own defenses). Were the gargoyles trying to keep the villains from killing each other (was the point just to scare everyone off, or were they aiming to kill and permanently take out potential threats to their home?). I was surprised that Sybil didn't know about Rory (still, it made for an interesting battle). Dulcinea's speech to the Minions was kinda 'eh'. I don't know why they would be so impressed by the castle (surely Lucius has done magic in front of them before). I was surprised by her mentioning that they wanted "hope, glory, camaraderie". I thought they were just mercenaries, but seeing them as a band that just wanted some cause to fight behind makes me actually feel sorry for them. I was surprised that Molly saved Leba, considering how Leba's always been the one warning Rory against her. After this scene, however, Molly isn't mentioned again until the feast. I wish she was shown immediately after the battle, so that the others could be shown acknowledging her help and accepting her (something I noted missing back in "Rome Eternal", too). It might have been nice to have Avallach grant Molly permission to stay on Earth, maybe done indirectly though his wife (Oberon would have to obey his mom, after all). Or maybe they could have appointed Molly as one of the Griffin knights and made it her assignment to follow Arthur around. That way we would eventually come to learn more about that enigmatic group (and given poor Isfet abother avenue at getting revenge).

I was surprised that Singleton and Powel both had swords (Duval is no surprise, of course). Are all the upper eschelon swordsmen? (is it considered a gentleman's sport? do they fence in their off-time, instead of play golf?). Does this have something to do with the Illuminati's elite force being called "The Sword"? Anyway, it's no surprise that Griff lost, seeing as he doesn't use a sword (and was never trained as a squire). I'm a little disappointed that this 'face-off' with Powell was all that his adventures this season lead up to (what did any of it prove?). Unlike other posters, I didn't see the clan's battle as a loss, especially if they were only there to distract the enemy from Arthur (in which they succeeded). Besides, simply joining in the fight was itself a victory for a clan that never leaves the safety of its nest.

I enjoyed seeing Duval remain suspicious of Powell (after what Singleton told him, you can't blame him). I was also pleasantly surprised that Giles proved loyal. I guess you can't help but root for Duval, especially when he gets even with Singleton (and now I guess we're back to where we started, with Powell being Duval's main opponent).

It's too bad the castle was destroyed--I could have seen Arthur using Carbonek as a HQ for New Camelot (after all, it can travel all over the world, so theoretically Arthur could visit any of his international knights whenever he wanted--no more getting Leba to make travel arrangements). It sounds like the Great Quest isn't actually building New Camelot, but rather recruiting more knights on a world-wide scale (so I guess New Camelot won't even be a specific place; rather, the entire world is now Arthur's 'Camelot').

The best ending scene was probably Lucius's. I didn't realize it until Ed's comment that Lucius had killed innocents in the building when he had blown it up. Having been willing to sacrifice his only advantage (his magic) shows that he's deadly serious about his goals, and makes me respect him for the first time. He shows a lot of promise as a serious new threat.

Misc> The castle crumbling as the grail left reminded me of Indy III. Drugging Singleton's water supply reminded me of that episode in 'X-files' where they drug the water in Mulder's building. I like how you re-used MacBeth's "you'll have to do better than that" line. Avallach telling Morgana "what you desire is not justice but vengeance" also reminded me of Elisa's line to Goliath in HM3. Morgana's cries of "everyone is against me" reminded me of Demona's refusal to accept the truth. Merlin's gray hairs struck me as similar to Rogue's white lock (though hair is dead, so really it should change color except at the roots. Maybe Merlin's gray hairs will grow out). Having Morgana fall down the chasm was reminiscent of Gandalf's death scene, though it was over too quickly and felt tacked on; a let down for such a significant character. It should also have had more of a visible effect on Mary--the next line describes her as "looking at the outside world before her and her boyfriend", as if Mary had already dropped the memory of her stepmother in favor of her wonderful b/f (which you can't really blame her for, but it makes Mary look like an ungrateful, unfeeling jerk). The last scene between her and Nigel does nothing to dispel that illusion. Both Mary and her father were shown as too uncaring. Mary should have tried to console her dad. Nigel should show relief that his daughter is alive. Was Morgana really more important to him than Mary? (especially when you consider how uncomfortable he was becoming around Morgana). I wonder if being the Grail bearer was close enough contact to cure Mary of her curse (considering how she was complaining about it in Part 2). Or maybe Merlin will cure her--right after he tackles the vampyre problem (I was a little disappointed in him for not making them more of a priotity. He expresses doubt and then adds 'I may not have much time for it', despite the fact that Leba promised the vampyres he would help them, and that this was the only reason they let her go).

More Misc> While Arthur & Tanaburs were running from Morgana the Dragon, I wondered why Merlin didn't take advantage of the distraction to drink from the Grail (if he was cured, he could help them out). Also, I was kinda hoping Isfet would show up and use her dragon powers to control Morgana (and make her realize the price for playing with dark magic). I was surprised the Grail reverted her to normal (kind of a waste, since she dies soon after). Finally, seeing the Grail and table (along with Avalach--chair and all) rise up in a shaft of light was a bit too corny -_-*. But otherwise...

This season covered a huge amount of material with dozens of new characters and locations and plot points, and Ed and Todd did a great job wrapping it up in only three stories. The finale was very entertaining with a gripping storyline and lots of new surprises. I'm sorry to see it all end, but I enjoyed it while it lasted. Thanks for the great stories, guys!
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Vashkoda
Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:17:05 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

DPH: <*presses a button* As of now, there are over 1,000 look alike holograms of Green Baron all over the world. Good look finding the real one.>
I enjoy a challenge. Come Dottie-Hound. Let us find us some usurper.
(I liked Usurper! Fun BBS game!)

Bud-Clare: <That's not quite the kind of initiative that this invasion needs>
Yeah, but what is a war without some conflict between the Knights of Mars?
<Don't make me beat your ass again.>
As if! Don't make me pull out the Sythe of Pain! Again!
<Anyone who would send a frenchman to negotiate deserves no mercy.>
Good point.
<*beats Fire Storm and Attila's asses some more, and demands an explanation*>
I am pro-alien, so that mean's I am on the Martian side.
And anyway... all is equal in pain and death.

Dezi: <Does this mean Fire Storm is a double agent?>
Na. Just because I work for both sides doesn't mean I am a double agent! All I do is kill and torture people. I never cared about who's side they were on and I most certainly won't start now!
Besides... Green Baron gave DPH space! That alone pisses me off! So it all balances out!
<*Beats Fire Storm's ass for crossing us*>
THAT'S IT! *pulls out his CDW/HP bat'o'beating*
It's party time! Shall I invite my children to play?
<Can I trust you with Dottie-dog? Yeah, prolly could, as she has an insane mind of her own, and is resistant to brain washing>
As long as she can find my quarry, she shall suit my needs!
<Besides, if you are a double agent, then as your partner on this mission, perhaps she can play brain washed and infiltrate the enemy!!!>
OR... she can be brainwashed, making you think she ISN'T brainwashed, and she can find out information for me... which I would probably know anyway... Head hurts...
Ah, screw it. Knight of Torture, Minister of Torture... pain is pain.
All is equal in pain and death.
I have an assigned quarry. That is all that matters.

Dottie-Dog: <Arrooooo! This way Fire Storm! I've caught the scent of the Usurper!>
Come. Let us leave this pointless bickering and deal with our quarry.
<How the frell do I know where Latvia is?>
I dunno. I dunna care either. He's that-a-way. That's all that matters.
<C'mon Fire Storm! Before the trail gets cold!>
We shall feast on the bones of all that stand in our way.
Fire Storm
Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:47:37 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Grrr. I am Dottie-dog, Dog Knight of War!! rarrrgh.

<<<*cleaves Bud-Clare's keyboard in half just because*>>
*steals Fire Storm's keyboard to replace her own, then gives him a stern, threatening look*> *Chomps Bud-Clare and Fire Storm's asses for infighting* Rarrrrgh we'll have none of that here. Focus!
 Don't worry Attila, I got your back (.. this time...) *takes a preliminary snap at Hunter.
DPH:<As of now, there are over 1,000 look alike holograms of Green Baron all over the world> I'm a dog. I have crappy eyesight. But wow! My sense of smell! And the real Green Baron the Usurper has a stench with a Korean tang to it... Holograms don't smell. *sniffs the ground and the air* Arrrooo! This way!

Lain:<Your quest is to find Josh's ass... > After I find Green Bean the Usurper (and yes that was on purpose) I can help you find Josh. Take a number and sit over there.

Fire Storm:<We must help a fellow Knight in need. Dottie-dog, the Knight Hound, will track him down and I shall capture him.
Do you desire him dead, alive, or wishing he were dead? > Arrooooo! This way Fire Storm! I've caught the scent of the Usurper! He's in..... Latvia! But I'm a dog! How the frell do I know where Latvia is? (perhaps because I have ultierier (sp) motives? Oh wait, I have no thumbs, never mind. Its hard to stage a coup if you can't get past doorknobs. Damn!). C'mon Fire Storm! Before the trail gets cold!

By the way, Lord Greg X, I'm only half retriever, which means I only half way bring things back. I might need some back up on this.

Wishing he were dead! Wishing he were dead!

hey whats going on outside the window.... Hey! It's snowing! oh, wait THE MISSION! maybe its snowing in Latvia too.
Dottie-dog
Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:26:41 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Dezi> <<Does this mean Fire Storm is a double agent?>>
*commends evil Dezi for her attentiveness*

*beats Fire Storm and Attila's asses some more, and demands an explanation*
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:22:44 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Evil Dezi and Dottie-dog reporting for duty, sir!
Atilla:<Fire Storm is Minister of Justice and Sadistic torture> Does this mean Fire Storm is a double agent?....*Beats Fire Storm's ass for crossing us* *Steps on Attilla's tail, beats his ass, then sics Dottie-dog on him for potential bad information* Off to the CIA with you, cat!
Fire Storm: Can I trust you with Dottie-dog? Yeah, prolly could, as she has an insane mind of her own, and is resistant to brain washing. Besides, if you are a double agent, then as your partner on this mission, perhaps she can play brain washed and infiltrate the enemy!!!

ps: its snowing in indiana... yipeee...
OK back to TGS Ass Kicking mode!

Dezi
Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:17:52 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Attila> <<Since you beat me up, I just cloned Cat 25 times and all clones of hm are in your room causing chaos.>>
Not unless they're invisible. Regardless, if you _have_ cloned yourself, then the clones ought to be devoting themselves to the cause as well. *beats all their asses for dereliction of duty*
___________________________
Fire Storm> <<*cleaves Bud-Clare's keyboard in half just because*>>
*steals Fire Storm's keyboard to replace her own, then gives him a stern, threatening look* That's not quite the kind of initiative that this invasion needs. I'll overlook your behavior this time since it seems that your enthusiasm is just misplaced, but next time I won't be so lenient. Don't make me beat your ass again.

<>
Anyone who would send a frenchman to negotiate deserves no mercy.
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 13, 2003 09:43:27 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Ghost of Rev Attilla - I got somebody for you to meet - my Hunter. This cat is a very brave soul and a true mascot. She stold a mouse from a snake, persisently nagged me into getting catfood for her when I didn't feel like it. She's independent minded and not afraid to use her claws. The best part is . . she's on my side.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 13, 2003 09:35:24 PM
IP: 204.94.193.66

hehe, as Green Baron's Minister of holograms, I have a pleasant suprise for you:

*presses a button* As of now, there are over 1,000 look alike holograms of Green Baron all over the world. Good look finding the real one.

Le Vert Baronne - No need to worry. My holograms of you will keep the enemy confused about your real location.
DPH, Minister of Holograms
AR, USA
Saturday, December 13, 2003 09:26:08 PM
IP: 204.94.193.66

Greg: <As a Knight of Mars, you will take initiative as Dame Deimos has said.>
I feared that the administration would show mercy to one seeking it.
I pleases me to no ends to find that the administration is not weak.
DEATH TO THE USURPER!

Bud-Clare: <*beats Fire Storm's ass for showing lack of initiative*>
*cleaves Bud-Clare's keyboard in half just because*
Sir Fire Storm, Knight of Vengance, Sadism, Torture and baking - [<--- Ghastly/Megatokyo fan art]
Saturday, December 13, 2003 09:01:49 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Keep up the search, we must make an example of the Baron for usurping Admin powers.

FIRE STORM> As a Knight of Mars, you will take initiative as Dame Deimos has said.

LAIN> Welcome aboard. I am charging you with a quest. Your quest is to find Josh's ass... and then beat it. That'll teach him to stop posting in here ;)
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Saturday, December 13, 2003 08:42:29 PM
IP: 216.179.3.139

I have just located La Baronne Vert and Dick Cheney in East Timor. Now they're in West Edmonton.

Bud-Clare> Since you beat me up, I just cloned Cat 25 times and all clones of hm are in your room causing chaos.

My plasma cannons are ready, and dohhh!! GB just escapd W Edmonton.....well, I fired and just bombed the hell out of Riyadh. Gotta be more careful about firing this baby up.
ghost of Reverned Attila
Saturday, December 13, 2003 08:31:08 PM
IP: 218.145.25.115

Fire Storm> <>
*beats Fire Storm's ass for showing lack of initiative*
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 13, 2003 07:51:22 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

DERN LOT BOYS!
Fire Storm
Saturday, December 13, 2003 05:07:39 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Todd: 
Well, I imagine it could work

Gside: <Selling videos of the honeymoon?>
Na. I need the money BEFORE the wedding. (Although I have contemplated seriously asking LM to go onto Camwhores...). On eBay, there are people just asking for money because they are going through hard times, and I would consider this a hard time, so...
<Oh dear, it needs... That?>
I... I am afraid so. Shall we begin? I have the oil all warmed up and Nurse Bountiful is ready to assist me. Just let me get... my instruments
<Still haven't figured it out. I think he likes complaining about priests' sermons.>
Dude... you have to corrupt him before it's too late!
<they then told him it was in the basement>
Tame... but at least your father didn't tolerate it forever, so there is some hope.
<Are you sure? Things don't look so good at the moment.>
Good things come to those that take
<Hey, there's only one of me.>
You are the rarest one of you in the world.
<That, and getting drunk at a bar with other people>
Yeah. That's how we got the first "Girls Gone Wild" video.
Hmm... Goth Girls Gone Wild... Fangirls Gone Wild... Hmm...
YES! Cosplay Fangirls Gone Wild!

Ravyn: 
That stuff is taken care of by the place we are having the ceremony at. No, we are going to use eBay to help actually PAY for it.

Greg: <Hmmm, can I marry people? I believe I can.>
Not yet anyway. But check out my link! I am thinking of doing it just to do it.

ghost of Reverend Attila: <Now, I will have him.....ah Shi'ite, he disapeared>
We must help a fellow Knight in need. Dottie-dog, the Knight Hound, will track him down and I shall capture him.
Do you desire him dead, alive, or wishing he were dead?

Lain: <yeah, ill go now, that wasnt witty at all!>
I liked it!

Le Vert Baronne: <Captain Euro has joined my side, and he plans to open up a dialogue with the Martians.>
I shall await further orders before bringing you in.

DPH: <Unless a visitor from the future whom I can trust gives it to me>
Question: If someone came from the "future" and said they were you, how would they prove it to you? I mean, someone can always find out info on you.
Fire Storm - [<--- Become a priest!]
Saturday, December 13, 2003 05:07:23 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Hey I was just wondering -- forgive my ignorance but uhm-- what every happened to Othello and Desdemona when they become flesh again after "aftermath" did they stay in wyvern? Again I apologize for the sheer ignorance of this question..rrrrrrrrrr -honestly I'm reading as fast as I can...
wondering
Saturday, December 13, 2003 04:42:20 PM
IP: 66.140.131.31

Green Baron - <since Attila betrayed me,> Oh well, somebody in my staff working on this year's model of my holographic mistletoe . . decided to spread information on the interal workings of it. My staff didn't have enough time to rework the holographic mistletoe to fix those hidden security flaws. Hence, I'm not displaying holographic mistletoe this year. Unless a visitor from the future whom I can trust gives it to me.

Todd - <Sorry, but the mutant mistletoe was all burnt by mutant-haters who decided not to be content with persecuting human mutants.> You forgot about shape-shifting mutant mistletoe that looks like ordinary mistletoe.

Green Baron - <Captain Euro has joined my side, and he plans to open up a dialogue with the Martians.> *flips a switch o activate his ultimate spying device because he doesn't trust Captain Euro's loyalty*
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 13, 2003 02:28:33 PM
IP: 204.94.193.48

Thomas> <<Captain Euro has joined my side, and he plans to open up a dialogue with the Martians.>>
Not a problem. *beats Captain Euro's ass*

lain> <<sign me up for some beating of bums, i can do that!>>
What did the bums ever do to you?

Attila> <<Dame is a title equivalent to Sir back in the Middle Ages.>>
*beats Attila's ass, regardless of which side he's on*
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 13, 2003 02:28:07 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Anonymous Person with the Quizy thing- LOL that was actually really funny. I love the little Busey head. Though I would have put the Element higher myself.
Revel
Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:55:14 PM
IP: 172.167.160.64

I am reporting in an undisclosed location and Dick Cheney is right next to me.

Gside> Wilek is not posting anymore so the honor befell Firestorm.

Lain> Well, I know more Latin than any French of Spanish, so at least I am close, but now I am corrected. I wonder if the Quebecois pronounce it differently.

I wonder how similar Cajun French and Quebecois French are.

In other news, since Attila betrayed me, the French have joined my side only to surrender when OJ and the Gubernator arrived in Paris.

Captain Euro has joined my side, and he plans to open up a dialogue with the Martians.
Le Vert Baronne
Undisclosed location
Saturday, December 13, 2003 08:38:15 AM
IP: 218.145.25.80

Sorry, but the mutant mistletoe was all burnt by mutant-haters who decided not to be content with persecuting human mutants.

VINNIE - Good double reference with the Mister Carter mention.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 13, 2003 07:08:03 AM
IP: 63.186.0.83

mmmmm, martians.

... now all we need is some mutant mistletoe and well be set for the holidays!
:D

greg>> <<Hmmm, can I marry people? I believe I can>> wow, thats the scariest thing ive ever heard...
but oo! sign me up for some beating of bums, i can do that!
(a little... maybe...)

gside>> <<But now I see that I have the power to revitalize the CR>> and what a fine job youve done.

ed>> <> plus, isnt "verde" spanish? o.O i think youre looking for "vert".

fire storm>> <<TGS Recruitment drive: To join or not to join, that is the question...>> whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the pricks and flames of forlorn discourse, or to take arms against a sea of unwritten outlines, and by opposing end them?... or something...
yeah, ill go now, that wasnt witty at all! more sleep needed :P

tgs_info@yahoo.com <-- check it out!
lain
Saturday, December 13, 2003 04:50:32 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Martians make great targets! Now all I need to do is remember where I last put Mister Carter or I wont have any fun with them.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, December 13, 2003 04:04:49 AM
IP: 216.234.99.213

Cows... yes. I want to bite cows. Someone just said that I looked like a little cow fetus in one of my puppy-pictures. grrrrrrrrr. Bite the cows.
Dottie-dog
Saturday, December 13, 2003 03:20:00 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Well if that cat can post here, then I can. *growls and snaps at Attilla*
Greg X, my Commander-in-Chief: Reporting for duty, Boss, who would you like for me to chomp first? (I'm afraid I can't really kick ass, as my legs are shaped funny, but I do have sharp fangs).
And thank you Bud-Clare, for remembering me. I will serve my duties well.
Dottie-dog
Saturday, December 13, 2003 03:09:50 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Bud-Clare> Dame is a title equivalent to Sir back in the Middle Ages.
ghost of Reverend Attila
Saturday, December 13, 2003 01:28:25 AM
IP: 218.145.25.80

Gside> <<Actually, they just might have done it.>>
Gee, and I thought that I'd just pulled the idea out of my ass.
_______________________
Greg> <>
*twitches* Dame? The only thing that "Dame" has going for it is that it rhymes with "maim."

<<Hmmm, can I marry people?>>
Not until polygamy is legalized.

<<ghost of Reverend Attila, Fire Storm, Ravyn and Dezi...>>
You forgot Dottie-dog. She's a dog of war...
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 13, 2003 01:25:12 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

The Green Baron has been located in his secret base in Uzbekistan. Soon we'll have him.

My spies have reported that he has just appointed DPH Minister of Holographs and made him Captain General of the his Space Program, Fire Storm is Minister of Justice and Sadistic torture, while Aingeal is Minister of Intelligence, and Donald Rumsfled has been made Ambassador to the EU and Minister of strangling hippies.

Now, I will have him.....ah Shi'ite, he disapeared. Now I have to discharge my weapons.... I just bombed Berkely...I hope Josh is ok :)
ghost of Reverend Attila
Saturday, December 13, 2003 01:20:17 AM
IP: 218.145.25.80

ghost of Reverend Attila, Fire Storm, Ravyn and Dezi....I dub thee all, KNIGHTS OF MARS! Go forth and beat some ass, make Ares, God of Mars proud!

Remember, being a Knight of Mars applies in all areas of life. Beat the ass of all infidels!

Hmmm, can I marry people? I believe I can.
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Saturday, December 13, 2003 01:03:53 AM
IP: 216.179.3.139

Oo! Oo! This sounds like some fun! Evil Dezi and Dottie-dog would like to sign up for this Martian movement (especially if it means that harm will befall the horrible state of Indiana)!! So, where do we sign?
Dezi
Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:42:32 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Firestorm> <<In other eBay news, I think I found a way to pay for the weding...>> I highly recommend Ebay for picking up the little things for the wedding ceremony ... I found some cake serving utensils on Ebay for much much MUCH less than places like Hallmark, etc. sell them for, and they're just as beautiful. Good luck! :)

Revel> <<Pontiac Aztek>> I personally think it's ugly as all get out, but ... it's still a Pontiac, so, I can't hate it. :) (I'm a Pontiac person, what can I say?) :) In all honesty, it's not the ugliest vehicle out there, and it still runs, so it's okay. Glad to hear that it's grown on ya. :)

Now it's decision time ... to accept or not to accept a job offer ...? I have to decide by Monday, but I was waiting to hear from another company first ... and I've already asked the first company for two extensions to have more time to decide, so ... I think I might just have to go with their offer if I don't hear from the other company in time. Stress!! ;)

I will join the Martian cause!!! **takes up a bow and arrow** However, this is all part of my secret plan to infiltrate the Martian forces, since I am a double agent serving the planet Venus ...

Catch you later! :)
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:12:17 AM
IP: 69.9.28.69

Off early tomorrow to proctor SSATs for kids with special dispensations. At least I make money off it.

Lain> <<and it was dead boring>>: But now I see that I have the power to revitalize the CR.

Bud Clare> <>: Actually, they just might have done it.

Green Baron> <>: I'd have thought that'd go to Wilek, with only substitutes now that he has disappeared.

Revel> <<Springstein>>: That's two e's. It is now my duty as a Jersey boy to thrash you soundly.

Green Baron> <<And just because I'm in love with a Newfie girl>>: Oh, we'll rant and we'll roar like true Newfoundlanders. We'll rant and we'll roar on deck and below...

Revel> <<well pesonally I'd get my hands on Spacebabie... I think I'll just stop there>>: And !$@# some #!@? I didn't know you were into that.

Bud Clare> <<Is this how gangs get started? Out of boredom?>>: That's how just about everything got started. That, and getting drunk at a bar with other people (American Revolution, Phi Beta Kappa...).

Greg> <>: Aren't you glad you didn't use Deimos first, so you could get some alliteration in there?

Fire Storm> <<In other eBay news, I think I found a way to pay for the weding>>: Selling videos of the honeymoon?
<<we need Captain Darwin>>: And his Chainsaw of Natural Selection. "Charles Darwin! He's our hero! Baggin' those with an IQ of zero!" The monkey has my leg! The Monkey Has My Leg!!!
<<Yeah, but you might like i>>: Oh dear, it needs... That?
<<What's the fun in that?>>: Still haven't figured it out. I think he likes complaining about priests' sermons.
<<Now you have to tell it>>: It's actually a short little tale (but the inscence incident would be a bit longer). While he was doing undergrad research at college, there was only one good chair in the office, that the students would share among themselves freely. That is, until a grad student came in who demanded permanent chair aquisition. This annoyed the undergrads, including my father, who decided to steal his chair and fasten it to the bottom of the elevator. When the grad student demanded "his" chair, they then told him it was in the basement.
<>: Are you sure? Things don't look so good at the moment.
<<Wouldn't anything that there is only 1 of be one of the rarest relics?>>: Hey, there's only one of me.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, December 12, 2003 11:44:48 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

FIRESTORM - <Did you know that you can get an Imaginary Girlfriend on eBay? >

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to make the purchase from eBay with Imaginary Money. :)

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 12, 2003 09:04:21 PM
IP: 63.186.0.56

Todd: <TGS is good for a while longer yet.>
Yeah, that makes more sense. MAYBE, just maybe, I should re-read my posts before I hit "SUBMIT"
Fire Storm
Friday, December 12, 2003 08:32:30 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Thoughts on the aztek:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=ugly_cars
Anonymous
Friday, December 12, 2003 08:14:24 PM
IP: 64.161.24.195

FIRE STORM - Thanks for your comments. Just one point (since the way that you phrased it in your review of "Carbonek" could lead to misinterpretation):TGS isn't ending, just "Pendragon"; TGS is good for a while longer yet.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 12, 2003 07:51:58 PM
IP: 63.186.0.56

Did you know that you can get an Imaginary Girlfriend on eBay?
In other eBay news, I think I found a way to pay for the weding...

Saw the new Battlestar Galactica Friday VERY early morning...
Total letdown. 2+ years of hype for THIS? Flow was too slow, and well, I just think it wasn't worth it.

Bud-Clare: <...real tentacles?>
Well, some are biological, some are animatronics, some are CG, but yes.
<Huh. Yeah, they probably would like it. Damn.>
Yeah. Besides... you would then have to punish your systems when they stop working
"Has Mr. Hard Drive been naughty?"

Gside: <Yeah, you might hurt my feelings.>
Yep. Have to be politicailly correct and what not now. Man... we need Captain Darwin!
<Nooooo..... Is there any cure>
Yeah, but you might like it.

Hell yeah! More! MORE!
<I've gotten the impression my fater was generally a good catholic over his life>
Why? What's the fun in that? Isn't the meaning of life to enjoy life? It's a bit hard to do that when you are a good catholic
<(except for maybe the chair incident).>
Ok. Now you have to tell it.
<And let me say that I am still waiting, even after achieving engineeringhood.>
I haven't waited and I can still achieve engineeringhood.

Todd: I will definitely miss your writing and contributions to all the TGS stories.
<Now the ultimate fight will take place, over the rarest of all relics.>
Wouldn't anything that there is only 1 of be one of the rarest relics?

Greg: <So, to make sure everyone knows this, I am declaring MARTIAN LAW!>
CLATU! VARITA! NIKTU!
Now... where's my scythe and robe?
<Now, who's ready to beat some ass?>
As we go forth into the night, may the screams of our victims fill those who would oppose us with fear, and let us wash the streets with the blood of the unworthy!

Leo: <WTF!! An.... earthquake???.... here in Virginia???>
Hey, we occasionally get earthquakes in Michigan too. Heck, 8 mile is right on a fault line!

Caboose: <So when one falls in love, one loses the ability to be a jackass when the situation calls for it?>
No, it's just that your jackassedness is tempered quite a bit and focused to the one you love!

Green Baron: <Larry Flynt, Ted Kennedy, Yasser Arafat, Jams Carville, Ken Livingstone, Ian Paisley, and Michael Moore>
And the ones that would classify themselves as better than human, like Brittney Spears

Thank you for allowing me to fulfill my lifes work!

Revel: <What does everyone think of the Pontiac Aztek>
I've seen uglier.

TGS Recruitment drive: To join or not to join, that is the question...

***TGS SPOILERS!***

Carbonek: Ok, first things first: I think that the idea to end TGS on this note is a very wise one. Nothing against TGS, but the whole "World Council" thread in the main TGS story has been fairly uninteresting to me and I don't want that to happen to Pendragon when creating New Camelot.

Ok, onto the story stuff:
Morgana: I am not totally sure she is dead, but she probably is. She definitely is a tragic character, and was a very good antagonist. Like Demona, she had chances to forgive, put her life down the right path, but she was blinded by vengeance.

As always, the story was very well written, and I agree that what Mary said to her father could be seen as a little cold, she was blinded by happiness and there just wasn't an easy way to tell Nigel that Morgana was dead when Mary was so happy that Merlin would live. I definitely think that Mary saying "She said she loved you" was very strong and decent on her part.

Poor Singleton. I almost feel sorry for him.
Almost. :)

***END TGS SPOILERS!***
Fire Storm
Friday, December 12, 2003 07:39:42 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Greg X> Meow!! I will join you in deposing my obnoxious father. You are far more evil than the Green Baron anyway, plus he posted stuff in French.
ghost of Reverend Attila
Friday, December 12, 2003 07:37:28 PM
IP: 218.145.25.16

Help! Martians planning on taking over the comment room! Somebody find some bacteria, quick! (Though, the way things have been going lately, they're likely to turn out to be Barsoom-variety Martians or something like that....)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 12, 2003 07:12:30 PM
IP: 63.186.0.56

BUD-CLARE> A woman Knight of Mars? Hmm, Ares finds this perfectly acceptable, no prejudice on Mars afterall.

I dub thee... Dame Deimos. Knight of Mars! Kicker of Ass!

And yes, I do think that's how gangs are found ;)
Greg Bishansky
Friday, December 12, 2003 03:17:11 PM
IP: 216.179.3.139

I hope everyone enjoyed Season Four `Pendragon' half as much as I did. Thanks to everyone who commented so far on the finale (and I�m very much looking forward to reviews from those who haven�t yet). As Todd mentioned, I�m also planning to leave the series to explore other projects. I had a tremendous time but I feel the need for something different, creatively. But there remains the problem of low TGS staff membership, which saddens me. It occurs to me that while TGS has frequently recruitment drives, the case for people volunteering is very seldom made. Maybe it�s seen as too obvious, but TGS is no spring chicken. Hundreds of episodes are released, scores are in development, and many more are planned. It may be no surprise that some fans are blas� about the need to apply. So let me make the case now: why you should volunteer for TGS.

Firstly, most altruistically, the project is a great way to keep `Gargoyles' fans engaged, entertained and thinking about the series even though it's off air. Like `Ask Greg' and the Gathering conventions, it's an attempt to keep fandom together. The purists may think TGS has inevitably diverged too far from Greg Weisman's plans to backtrack now. That may be true � TGS is a thing in its own right. But the same ideas, themes and principles are still at its heart. If you don�t buy it, join up and fix it.

Secondly, it�s a wonderful creative experience. Whatever your writing interest � action, sci-fi, fantasy, romance, comedy, thriller, horror � it's all there. The scores of fanfic writers out there all know writing alone can be solitary and sometimes without much recognition. Bluntly, TGS means more of the good stuff and less of the bad. You work with great, creative people and quickly learn to develop your skills. You get feedback � good feedback, too � at every stage. And you get ambitious stories made. Anyone who loves writing fanfic should have a shot at writing TGS � and remember, the more everyone puts in, the more everyone gets out.

But thirdly, most importantly� it's just so much fun. I've seen the staff in moments of collective euphoric inspiration and caught in cataclysmic arguments. But it's always a huge honour to among genuinely enthusiastic, gracious, talented people, and seeing your work come to life. I really, seriously, implore you guys to give it a go. I can't imagine anyone regretting it.

I hope there are a few people out there who will decide to give it a shot.

tgs_info@yahoo.com

Go apply! :)
Ed (Apply ----->) - [tgs_info@yahoo.com]
London, England
Friday, December 12, 2003 03:16:32 PM
IP: 213.187.39.189

Greg> Just ass in general? Hmmm... Okay, I'm there. Not much else to do anyway. (Is this how gangs get started? Out of boredom?)
Bud-Clare
Friday, December 12, 2003 02:53:12 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Revel> I dub thee, Sir Phobos! Knight of Mars! Beater of Ass!

Be a hitter!
Greg Bishansky
Friday, December 12, 2003 02:20:18 PM
IP: 216.179.3.139

kick some ass? well pesonally I'd get my hands on Spacebabie... I think I'll just stop there. ;)

Sure, whose ass are we kicking?
Revel
Friday, December 12, 2003 02:17:57 PM
IP: 172.169.59.195

Green Baron> You can't declare anything, only admins can.

So, to make sure everyone knows this, I am declaring MARTIAN LAW!

Mars is wild and untamed, I'm forming a cadre of Martian Knights, charged with enforcing Martian Law

Now, who's ready to beat some ass?
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Friday, December 12, 2003 02:09:46 PM
IP: 216.179.3.139

Hey gang, putting together the next issue of Avalon Mists, I realized some of the files i had are missing. (which may be due to my computer crashing a few weeks ago)

I know someone sent me translated spells, which are seemingly also missing..as well as a picture entry for the gathering picture contest. (I'm starting to think some of these were 'eaten' when my computer crashed a few weeks ago) If you submitted these to me, please resubmit them, because I really want to put them in the issue. <:))

I think I have everyone elses articles..if I put the mag up (hopefully soon) and your article is not up there, let me know ASAP and I'll get it up there.

I just started finally making a system where I can keep track of all the articles, pictures, and sources used in each magazine. -_-;; So my apologies.

When the magazine goes up, and I left something off, PLEASE by all means tell me ASAP. I want to correctly credit people for contributions, as well as have everyone's stuff up and known. Thankyou for your help
Siryn - [avalonmists_webzine@yahoo.com]
Friday, December 12, 2003 01:04:41 PM
IP: 24.213.130.186

green baron>> <<o canada en francais>> oh come on now, it doesnt count if you dont know it by heart :P

.. points for effort tho :)
lain
Friday, December 12, 2003 12:26:34 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Lain> Mai oui...though I would murder ze pronunciation..

In honor of Jean Chretien, da outgoing PM and master of patronage..

O Canada!
Terre de nos aieux,
Ton front est ceint
de fleurons glorieux!
Car ton bras
sait porter l'epee
Il sait porter
la croix
Ton histoire
est une epopee
Des plus
brilliant exploits.
Et ta valeur,
de foi trempee,
Protegera nos foyers
et nos droits.
Protegera nos
foyers et nos droits.

And just because I'm in love with a Newfie girl:

When sun rays crown thy pine clad hills,
And summer spreads her hand,
When silvern voices tune thy rills,
We love thee smiling land,
We love thee, we love thee
We love thee smiling land.

When spreads thy cloak of shimm'ring white,
At winter's stern command,
Thro' shortened day and starlit night,
We love thee frozen land,
We love thee, we love thee,
We love thee frozen land.

When blinding storm gusts fret thy shore,
And wild waves lash thy strand,
Thro' sprindrift swirl and tempest roar,
We love thee windswept land,
We love thee, we love thee,
We love thee windswept land.

As loved our fathers, so we love,
Where once they stood we stand,
Their prayer we raise to heav'n above,
God guard thee, Newfoundland,
God guard thee, God guard thee,
God guard thee, Newfoundland.
Le Baronne Verde
Friday, December 12, 2003 12:08:25 PM
IP: 220.73.165.75

Annnnnnnd I'm back.

Finals went well, me thinks. Will not know for sure till the report card is in the mail, or I can check online in a few weeks if it's that important to me. Will need to get back to work for a few weeks of quick cash and...
Two weeks till Spacebabie comes to Houston for vacation. Yum. >:)

Aingeal- Don't just poke your nose in, get ye whole lovely self in here and give me a hug! :D Hope you're doing well.

Green Barron- Super Overlord thing, hmm. How about we just shorten that to: Boss. Though Springstein might get mad. And it's nice to see you are taking in lots of culture of the Newfie kind ;)

Bud-Clare- <> That's my excuse too. I just don't do much in a day. All I did yesterday was look at web comics, did some writing, played some video games, and just for fun, priced a Mini Copper online with my Dad because we wanted to know how much they were. (I blame the Italian Job ;))
I never even got out of my pajama bottoms.

GregX- <<If I lived in Cali, I'd have voted for him>> And those of us that know you, are not surprised by this. ;)

And for the sake of striking up conversation or comments of curiosity. What does everyone think of the Pontiac Aztek. There is a link bellow. Thinking about getting one once I graduate in May. They are kind of like ugly dogs. the more you are around them the more you like them.

Revel - [<<------Link Thingy]
back in the bayou city, though wish I was still in Florida, tx
Friday, December 12, 2003 11:59:36 AM
IP: 172.202.239.178

green baron>> <<O Canada!>> thats pretty good.. but can you do it in french too, eh?
lain
Friday, December 12, 2003 11:42:35 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Todd:<<"Carbonek" is not only the Season Four finale but also (short of a last-minute change in plans) the series finale for "Pendragon".>>

:(

<<Ed Reynolds and I, who had done together almost all of the Breakdowns, Writing, and Edits for Season Four of "Pendragon", have both decided to leave TGS and move on to other things.>>

*sigh*
You've done such a wonderful job with the entire saga, not just Pendragon. You'll be truly missed. :( Good luck
Leo
Friday, December 12, 2003 10:53:00 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

::pokes nose in::

Green Baron>> The CR has been slow, so I have decided to once again declare martial law, and proclaim myself supreme Baron and Overlord of the CR :)>> I want in on it! ::grins evilly:: I like takeovers... lemmie be the spymaster!

::runs off to skare people::
Aingeal
Shenn VyrneenFriday, December 12, 2003 08:02:06 AM
IP: 12.163.224.65

* SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT PENDRAGON *

"Carbonek" is not only the Season Four finale but also (short of a last-minute change in plans) the series finale for "Pendragon".

Ed Reynolds and I, who had done together almost all of the Breakdowns, Writing, and Edits for Season Four of "Pendragon", have both decided to leave TGS and move on to other things. Since it didn't seem likely that the spin-off would survive the departure of the people who had done that much work on it, and since "Carbonek" seemed like a good place to end the series, we decided to have it end there. The other cycles will continue and "Pendragon" characters may well guest star in their episodes, but "Carbonek" represents the end of this cycle.

We hope that you've enjoyed it.

* END OF ANNOUNCEMENT *
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 12, 2003 07:34:52 AM
IP: 63.186.0.34

The CR has been slow, so I have decided to once again declare martial law, and proclaim myself supreme Baron and Overlord of the CR :)

And in the spirit of the diversity of the CR, and the transition of leadership in Canada, toay's anthem will be O'Canada:

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love
in all the sons command.
With glowing hearts
we see thee rise,
The True North
strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada,
We stand on guard
for thee.
God keep our land
glorious and free!
O Canada,
we stand on guard for thee
O Canada,
we stand on guard for thee

Eh!

I also write this because I just got a box full of presents from a certain someone in Newfoundland :)

Question> You dare question me!! I hereby exile you to Baffin Island :p

Since I'm in a good mood, I'll spare you a Shawingian handshake :)
Bud-Clare> I somehow imagine ancient Greek philosopher slash would be pretty accurate to how it was back then, but I imagine peopel woudl still feel weird about it.

My test had Sartre as my first match and then Ayn Rand...I can understand and am happy with Ayn Rand, but Sartre? A modern froggy philosopher...I prefer him to Rosseau, at least :)

Surprisingly Aquinas was lower on my list.

Fire Storm> I herey appoint you as my sadistic enforcer :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Humphreys, Korea
Friday, December 12, 2003 07:05:59 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

***CARBONEK SPOILERS***

So Morgana appears to dies in this story. I have to admit that when Morgana burst into the Great Hall on them like that I thought for a split second that you were going to make her Avallach's replacement, but fortunately reason prevails. Although it will be interesting seeing how Nigel grieves for his wife, especially since he is still suffering from denial. Hmmm... I wonder if Sybil, the former Queen of Northgalis, would help him guide his grief along a path of her choosing(like the Weird Sisters did for you know who).

The London Clan fought bravely, to bad most don't realise that the Illuminati only retreated because the Grail was no longer attainable. Oh well, maybe the clan will get another chance to fight them. Of course that depends on how long it will take for the Illuminati to come back and harass the clan, and considering if they would want to (and not just flee) when Griff finally tells his family why the Illuminati really retreated from the field of battle. Griff's clan could very well lose their confidence if told the truth.

Hopefully we will learn more about Isfet and her quest for the Gryphon Knights, her role was one of the smallest in the entire story. Correction one of the smallest Danu's role was even smaller. It might have been better if she had actually gotten into the castled, but it was still an interesting fight with Briana.

Lucius destroyed his flat with all the magic he had horded with in it! I wonder what he is going to do now politics? Could be. Without all that magic he will need to gain his power from more mundane sources, perhaps he will start something like the Quarrymen in Britian. Well we'll find out in season five.

Nice touch having Duval show his more ruthless nature with Singleton. It reminds us how he became the leader of the Illuminati, no matter who he used to be. As for the Illuminati, they must be getting used to failure at least when Gargoyles are involved. I wonder how long they will let Duval stop them from dealing with the Gargoyles once and for all.

We also hear about Arthur's decision to rebuild Camelot and take up the responsibilities of the Fisher King. Nice, but also predictable thanks to TimeDancer. Maybe we will get some enjoyment from the quest to build New Camelot.

And finally, I am not really sure that sending the Holy Gail away forever was a good idea, but it had it's moments.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, December 12, 2003 04:11:43 AM
IP: 216.234.99.114

I would have posted, but I had nothing to say. :P

(I could gripe about the apparent lack of Plato/Socrates slash...)
Bud-Clare
Friday, December 12, 2003 01:36:34 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Well, I would have posted if I wasn't working mornings for most of the week. Mornings = almost no time on-line.
Fire Storm
Friday, December 12, 2003 12:35:35 AM
IP: 68.73.54.184

yeah, and it was dead boring :P
lain
Friday, December 12, 2003 12:24:46 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Only five different people posted in the past day.

Todd> <>: My father was listening to his unabridged audio version of it last year, and wouldn't believe me that Gimli took a boat over.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:59:34 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Why exactly is that Flynt's fault? It was Livingston's own fault that he engaged in those little indiscretions.
Question
Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:11:12 PM
IP: 144.92.164.204

Greg X> I imagine you would vote for Larry Flynt, and that's fine, but i it wasn't for him, Bob Livingston would be Spaker right now, and I imagine you'll tell me to get over it. Well, I won't, and I have neevr said anything bad about Penthouse or Playboy, so it has nothing to do with pornography.

Graymonk> I meant to say I have no illusion Paul Martin is clean, not doubt.

More later.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Thursday, December 11, 2003 06:24:24 PM
IP: 220.73.165.139

Green Baron> What did Larry Flynt ever do to you? If I lived in Cali, I'd have voted for him.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, December 11, 2003 01:49:53 PM
IP: 216.179.3.139

Only six days until "The Return of the King" movie; I managed to complete reading "The Lord of the Rings" again in preparation for it yesterday. One thing that I noticed was that Tolkien did much the same thing with the final chapters as "Gargoyles" did with "Hunter's Moon" in terms of evoking the beginning - the returning hobbits visit the same places on their way home to the Shire (for the most part) with some echoes of their adventures at the beginning (such as at Bree where somebody asks Frodo for another song and everybody else immediately hushes him); Frodo and Sam even spot, just before they meet up with the Elves en route for the Grey Havens at the end, the same place where they first had a brush with the Black Riders. I thought it a nice touch.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 11, 2003 08:10:11 AM
IP: 63.186.0.12

Another cold day in Korea, and Christmas in two weeks. I actually have a tree. 3 ft and a Frank Sinatra ornament. Aren't I festive :)

Graymonk> I don't know a whole lot about Junior or the master of the Shawingian death grip...(that photo of it is a riot), though my favorite Canadian bloggers don't like him and have mentioned his patronage machine, though I have no doubt Paul Martin is clean. I notice a few resignations including Warren Tobin from the Cabinet, which mirrored Cretien's strategy before he became PM, and my Newfie friends ecoiled at the thought of Tobin as PM. Karen suggested that he should be drowned in coastal waters, and I thought I was worng to gloat over a former Louisiana Governor going to jail :)

Plus I plan to be joyous and celebratory when Ted Kennedy dies..all full of cheer :)

I look forward to that article.

Kathy> When I first heard Brother Bear, I automatically thought about the old Song of the South...somehow I don't see Disney ever releasing that one again :)

Fire Storm> Right. Not all subhumans should be picked on, just Larry Flynt, Ted Kennedy, Yasser Arafat, Jams Carville, Ken Livingstone, Ian Paisley, and Michael Moore ;)

Bud-Clare> I talk of divorcees :)

In other news, Gore endorsed Howard Dean, which left Joe Lieberman a little miffed. On one hand Lieberman is liek Al Gore....on valium, while Dean is like Al Gore....on speed :)

This is a good move for Gore. If Dean wins, Gore has a Cabinet position, and if Dean loses, Gore will use his new liberal populist image to get the Democratic nomination in 08, which coudl pit him against Hillary who is now acting the role of Centrist hawk (she voted for the Iraq resolution and won't back flip about it like John "by the way I served in Nam" Kerry) and backing Wesley Clark....of course Condoleeza Rice (who I have already endored for 2008) will beat both of them :)

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Humphreys, Korea
Thursday, December 11, 2003 05:47:03 AM
IP: 218.145.25.16

*From out of nowhere, 7th dimensional fireworks are launched.*

I'm through taking my finals for this semester. I did better on the exam I was most worried about but by no means got an A. There are classes where I will settle for C and there are certain classes where the goal is an A.

*Stops to ponder removing part of this post*

**SORTA RELIGIOUS**

The Lord is my study partner, I shall not worry . .

Yea, though finals week approaches, I will fear no test for you are my study partner. Your knowledge and wisdom aid me.

You prepare study guides for me in the presence of my teachers . . . .

Surely A's and B's shall be my rewards all the days of education.

**END SORTA RELIGIOUS**

No, I haven't got that religious again, but I felt inspired.

*decides to let better judgement win the day and remove a section of this post*

Now, I can catch up on some sleep and regain what it is rightly mine.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, December 11, 2003 01:55:20 AM
IP: 204.94.193.67

Question> <<You don't by any chance have any links as evidence of your claim now would you?>>: I do believe it's against the CR rules to post a direct link, but the series name is Angel of Darkness, and a google search of '"angel of darkness" "live action"' will get you a bunch of people selling it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:12:18 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Archwolf -> "It just means that I've been giving up on bean a mean ornery SOB recently. It was so much easier then...no one could hurt you. Then, wouldn't you know it, you fall in love and all of a sudden, bang, no more walls and you find out that you are human, just like everyone else. Quite depressing."

So when one falls in love, one loses the ability to be a jackass when the situation calls for it? Wow. There's a good reason to never fall for someone. :) Congrats on finding 'that special someone', though. Good luck.
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 09:07:04 PM
IP: 198.150.95.126

Archwolf: pretty good, I just finished this semester today. Also updated my site with my new art, although its not all linked yet. have also been helping Mara with her webcomic, "Firstborn".
Lynati
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 08:18:50 PM
IP: 66.141.253.220

Ed<Then the final scene, which I pitched to Todd as an additional scene during edits, was to show the logical conclusions of Lucius� worldview: if you don�t value human life, you don�t have a problem blowing human life to kingdom come>

I think I understand what you are doing, but the thing he did at the end was just pure stupidity and just showed that he was either psychotic or that he doesn't think his actions out. How exactly is blowing up his own flat going to help him in his goal? In fact it's just going to help attract the undue attention of authorities and presently if you are a world world conquering academician you definitely don't need that attention.

Also I think there is a difference between pathological hatred like Demona and the superiority complex that Lucius has and in that scene at the end it seemed more like that he was more like Demona in pathological hatred killing people unnecessarily and not for any specific purpose or goal unless blowing up the flat had another purpose altogether.

< � as he did with that residential flat in the middle of Docklands. He wants to rule the world, sure, but *not for his own jollies* like the Archmage � he thinks human beings are actually *incapable* of self-government. That�s what I find most interesting about Lucius, and that�s what this episode was intending to clarify.>

Interesting that kinda describes Dr. Doom of the Fantastic Four.
Question
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 07:08:45 PM
IP: 144.92.164.204

Caboose> It just means that I've been giving up on bean a mean ornery SOB recently. It was so much easier then...no one could hurt you. Then, wouldn't you know it, you fall in love and all of a sudden, bang, no more walls and you find out that you are human, just like everyone else. Quite depressing.

Lynati> Hey there. How goes life?
Archwolf
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 05:58:54 PM
IP: 24.54.134.129

I hope everyone checks out the splendid new artwork for this episode.

***FINALE SPOILERS***

Todd: You know, I think don�t think this Mary situation is all that problematic. For one thing it seems that people generally understood what Mary meant. But I think on Mary�s part we get a glimpse into her own conflict. She really doesn�t want to face her father mourning for this woman she hates. Besides, Mary knows how Nigel responds to grief � remember �The Mists of Eynhallow�. I doubt she believes that sticking around would be helpful to Nigel. Now, she may be wrong about that. But it still seems like an interesting conflict for the character.

Archwolf: I agree that Nigel and Mary are unlikely to connect for a long, long time. I like your take on the misreported line. I was curious to see if Storyseeker would contend that this was simply a symptom of Mary�s guilt: that she literally doesn�t want to admit that Morgana loved her, so she amends the message out of denial. I definitely think there might be an element of both causes there. I do think it�s a situation that Mary (who by this time has been up for around thirty-six hours, unless she got some sleep off-stage in part 2) just wanted to get away from.

Question: Thanks for the review � you raise a number of good points.
(MORGANA) Good point. It is theoretically possible that she could survive by some future plot contrivance (as with the Archmage), but for the reasons you state it would be problematic, and in any case her arc feels kind of played out. There would need to be an extremely good idea for her return to make it justifiable. I can tell you that at the time of writing no such idea has come to light. The assumption is that Morgana is dead.
(ILLUMINATI) I believe more will be shown about the field units in future episodes.
(SYBIL/RORY) Glad you liked the fight scene � that was one of those scenes that Todd and I batted back and forth in edits, making it more outrageous each time. It seemed important that all the different fights this episode had very different styles and themes, from sword-fights, to wars of words, to this all-out magical brawl.
(LUCIUS) I guess we messed those scenes up because you don�t appear to get what we were hoping you�d get out of it. The idea in Lucius� development here was to first clarify his view of the world (humanity is an inferior species and need to be ruled), and contrast them with Dulci (who I see as something of a philanthropist). Then the final scene, which I pitched to Todd as an additional scene during edits, was to show the logical conclusions of Lucius� worldview: if you don�t value human life, you don�t have a problem blowing human life to kingdom come � as he did with that residential flat in the middle of Docklands. He wants to rule the world, sure, but *not for his own jollies* like the Archmage � he thinks human beings are actually *incapable* of self-government. That�s what I find most interesting about Lucius, and that�s what this episode was intending to clarify. Now, does that make him a �clich�d sorcerer�? Well, he�s probably my favourite character to write because he can be so darn funny, and I guess it was inevitable that people would be reticent to see past that after a while. But the intent was to show that this kind of mindset is no laughing matter at all, and to show a shift in the character. Sorry that it didn�t work for you.
(GRIFF) Griff isn�t a swordsman; Powell, conversely, is a master swordsman. Griff is still a great fighter, but this battle wasn�t one where he could use his physical prowess as much as his general combat training � and he made one crucial mistake. And now he�s indebted to his worst enemy as a consequence.
(AVALLACH) I think the idea was that Avallach had fulfilled his purpose in carrying the Grail, and now it�s down to Arthur to carry on its traditions.
(SINGLETON) The last Singleton scene was another of mine. I think Lancelot has to act as he does if he wants to preserve his position, but his actions are definitely ambiguous (and the scene bears contrast with Arthur�s development in more ways than one).
(THE GODSLAYER) I�m tempted to believe she knew Tanaburs had created Carbonek and so put it down as a lead for that reason. It wasn�t a plot I followed to a great extent, though, so I�m not sure if this explanation holds water.

Storyseeker: Nice assessment of how Morgana�s childhood affected her.

***END SPOILERS***
Ed
Cambridge, England
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 04:52:06 PM
IP: 131.111.8.96

[Hmmm, I wonder if Greg Weisman's "Rule #2",...
<<2. No original ideas masquerading as questions.>>
...applies for "Ask TGS" as well?]

I'd say "no", because we have no legalities to worry about, and thus don't have to worry about proving anyone who tries to go "hey, you used my idea!" wrong.

Remember, a LOT of people come to the same conclusions about how some things should go. I have noted a few times that ideas came up in the comment room that were *already* written into stories. and before I foudn the fandom, their were a number of plotlines I came up with that I thought were totally original, only to disover that, not only had many of them been used by other writers, but that SOME of them were actually part of Greg W.'s master plan. : P
Lynati
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 04:11:16 PM
IP: 66.141.253.220

*GLOMMS Archwolf and Siofra*

hey guys, long time, no see.
Lynati
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 04:05:38 PM
IP: 66.141.253.220

Just kidding. :p
Leo
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:44:11 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Storyseeker:<<When you do the next season then maybe you could use the scene with Mary and Nigel as a plot for a fic?>>

Hmmm, I wonder if Greg Weisman's "Rule #2",...
<<2. No original ideas masquerading as questions.>>
...applies for "Ask TGS" as well? >:D :p

Leo
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:42:09 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Archwolf -> "Maybe it's becuase i've recently actually become *shudders* _human_"

What the heck is that supposed to mean?
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:00:51 AM
IP: 198.150.95.126

[POSSIBLE SPOILERS]

To Todd: Well maybe this is a blessing in disguise? When you do the next season then maybe you could use the scene with Mary and Nigel as a plot for a fic? I doubt Nigel appreciated the cold reaction from Mary and might think her time with Merlin is corrupting her... etc?
Storyseeker
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 08:26:08 AM
IP: 217.150.117.210

* CARBONEK COMMENTS *

QUESTION - We haven't really figured out the bit about Isfet yet; it was largely a plot device to get her involved in "The Godslayer".

STORYSEEKER - Again, I'm sorry about how the Mary scene turned out; we didn't intend for her to be coming off that cold. Actually, in the original draft, we didn't have any interaction between her and Nigel in Part Three; we just had a brief scene of Nigel wondering where Morgana was, why she hadn't called, etc. Then we decided that it needed a bit more closure, so we had Mary stop by. Apparently I didn't handle that part very well. All that I can say is that it never occurred to either myself or to Ed that Mary should have stayed with her father, and if it doesn't occur to the "Pendragon" staff, it doesn't occur to the characters. Maybe part of the reason why it never occurred to us was because we were so set on having Mary at the banquet at the end. I'm sorry if we goofed up and made her come across as unsympathetic.

* COMMENTS END *
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 07:20:33 AM
IP: 63.186.1.22

[SPOILERS]

<Though I can't believe Powell of all people beat Griff. I mean Arthur took him down why can't Griff?>

Maybe Powell wasn't really giving his fight with Arthur all that he had, he was holding back for some reason? With the Illumaniti, especially Powell, you can never tell when someone is being truthful in whatever they're doing. Or maybe Griff just isn't the great fighter that we all thought he was, at least not with everyone. Powell certainly has been keeping a lot of secrets from everyone, so who knows what else he's hiding. For all we know, he might be the greatest warrior in the world in disguise and could have easily beat Arthur and Lancelot, but didn't as it would interfere with his plans, whatever they are?

<You make it sound like Mary was going to celebrate Morgana's death.>

I'm not saying that Mary was actually celebrating Morgana's death, but that's what it sounded like. If someone told you that your wife or mother, or whoever, was dead and then said sorry, but they're off to a party, would you feel comforted then? I'm just saying that Mary wasn't feeling too sympathetic with her father at that point. She should have stayed with him and comforted him. Merlin's alive now, she knows for sure he's safe, they could have partied some other time. So why didn't she stay with her father and offer him a shoulder to cry on, even if he would have refused it, she should have at least offered because then at least Nigel would have known she cared.

<Okay is Morgana really dead or is she just in hiding like Thailog?>

Who knows? I hope so, as I always love to read people's reactions when an arch enemy, whom they think is dead and gone, jumps out at them. (The episodes 'Avalon' and unbelievably 'Genesis Undone,' in TGC were among my favourite)

Another reason is that I can't help, but wonder. Did Morgana and Demona ever meet at all in either saga? I can't remember, but I always wondered what it would have been like? Two psycho immortals, both been hurt and suffered loss, both spent centuries alone and hell bent on destroying their foes. Their meeting would have certainly been an interesting one.

I like Morgana because, like Demona, she's the kind of evil villain that you can't help but feel sorry for.

Plus there's the question of what Sybil will do now, if Morgana really is gone?

Morgana's sisters didn't go all mad and revenge obsessed like she did, but recall that her sisters were more or less all grown up by the time it happened. So they had matured and knew better, whereas Morgana was still just a child at the time, so she carried around that hatred in her for years through her childhood and allowed it to eat away at her heart.

The fact is, no one knows how we'd all react in a similiar situation. If your mother was violated and your father murdered, all by the fault of one man. Can you honestly say for sure that you wouldn't feel vengeful too? I mean it's alright to say no, you wouldn't, but can you know for sure?
Storyseeker - [Storyseeker.1@btopenworld.com]
Birmingham, UK
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 03:59:22 AM
IP: 217.150.117.210

<What do you mean unfortunately? The only unfortunately is that they weren't high quality tentacles>

You don't by any chance have any links as evidence of your claim now would you?
Question
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 01:56:21 AM
IP: 144.92.164.204

Nothing to say here, moving along to tomorrow.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:54:24 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Spoilers

-Okay is Morgana really dead or is she just in hiding like Thailog? What I'm saying is that revealing to everyone that Avallach isn't dead because we didn't see his body and then killing Morgana and leaving us without a body really is not going to convince the readers that she is dead.

-Nice episode. Really liked the beginning where we see all the characters we've met in season 4. I take it that they are all going to play some part or another in season 5, right?

-So there does seem to be dissension among the Illuminati Armed Services. Are Stebbins and the others mercenaries or just dedicated Illuminati members chosen to be warriors?

-Okay if Anubis might have known about Avallach's "death" a then what about all the other death gods that made up the Fair Folk? Wouldn't they have known about it or was Tanaburs just wrong?

-Loved that fight scene between Sybil and Cuchullain. Very much like Thor in Marvel comics which was a source of inspiration for Cuchullain I recall.

-Though I really want to know if you guys get your jollies out of tormenting Lucius and making him look like an ass each episode? So far the guy has gone from one loss to another and now he has been reduced to a cliched sorceror on the level of the archmage bent on world domination. Please give him a break and really why did he have to blow up his own flat? Wouldn't it just draw more attention to him and a waste of resources?

-Loved that fight between Griff and Powell and their little speech. In some weird way it reminds me of the battle between Heero and Zech in Gundam Wing for some strange reason. Though I can't believe Powell of all people beat Griff. I mean Arthur took him down why can't Griff?

-Liked the solution for dealing with the vampyres though I found something lacking in their response.

-What exactly was the whole point of making Avallach the fisher king if he is removed from the scene at the end? Seemed like a big waste to me.

-Wow Singleton really dug himself into a hole. Rather foolish of him to overlook that Lancelot was a master warrior and then to let his defenses down immediately after getting beaten by Lancelot. If this is typical Illuminati leadership material then I daresay that the organization is doomed. And Lancelot is a real bastard for pumping truth serum into the water. Alittle bit excessive and cruel imo.

-Really nice touch at the end where Mary tells Nigel that Morgana said that he loved her even though Mary didn't like Morgana though I imagine her reluctance to save Morgana is going to bite her in the ass someday or was Nicholas Lite that karmic return for her reluctance.

-Finally for the last time why did Isfet think that the godslayer would take her to Carbonek? She doesn't even know before the events of Pendragon that Avallach was the Fisher King so any link the spear could have forged with Avallach if there was any wouldn't have been known by her.
Question
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 11:37:27 PM
IP: 144.92.164.204

****Spoiler****

Caboose> Yes, she did have her chance. My point is, she didn't _get_ it. She didn't _want_ to get it. Yes, i think she got what she deserved, but at the same time, I find it lamentable. Over the span of what was it, 1400 years i think, she had deluded herself into believing that vengance and justice were the same thing and let that consume her. At the ultimate point when everyone would have been willing to 'live and let live' with both Arthur and Merlin admitting their own bits of guilt in the grand scheme of things, she couldn't see that they were both asking for and offering complete forgiveness. Maybe it's becuase i've recently actually become *shudders* _human_, but I find that unwillingness to even _try_ quite lamentable. Now, given that she did chose her path, no one set her on it, yes, she did get what she deserved.

Story> I have to agree with the others. Mary didn't say she was celebrating Morgana's death. She said she was going to celebrate Merlin's recovery. If you are arguing that she shouldn't have made any comment about going out to celebrate her good fortune at a time when her father was bound to be grieving...well...tough noogies. You can't let someone else's bad fortune cause you to become so depressed that you cannot celebrate and be thankful for the good things. Also, Mary did have some good cause to be a little irked with Morgana. She _did_ hesitate to try to save her, but that was normal human weakness. very few people actually endanger their lives to save that of those who have been actively trying to kill them. To believe otherwise is delusional. Now, had Mary said "Go to hell" and walked away, then yes, your arguement would be valid. As it stands though, she reacted completely within the context of her own character.

Ed> Still and all, with the way we see Nigel act in front of Mary, it would be very easy for her to come to the conclusion that he cannot or will not come to terms with who she is and will not readily accept her back into his life. Everything he presented her with was conditional.

As for Mary saying "She said she loved you"...i think she did her father a favor. I thought it was a fairly high class move on her part. Mary let her father know that his wive's last thoughts were for him. Again, had she said something like "Yeah, the bitch tried to kill me, so i let her fall into a bottomless chasm", then yeah, she'd be seriously out of character. Saying what she did, it shows that she does still care for her father, but that her prioreties are on being thankful for the good things in her life.

***End spoilers.***
Archwolf
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 09:34:40 PM
IP: 24.54.134.129

***CARBONEK III SPOILERS***

Archwolf -> "And, like Morgana, you missed the point. Forgiveness, Atonement. They are for the individual to accept or reject, not for the massess to judge."

She had her chance--her multiple chances, as it says in the story--for atonement and forgiveness and all that nice fluffy jazz. She rejected every last one of them and paid the price. I'm glad to know that in at least one little universe, unrepentant jack asses like her get what's coming to them.

***END SPOILERS***
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 08:43:43 PM
IP: 198.150.95.126

* CARBONEK PART THREE SPOILERS/COMMENTS *

Mary was talking about their celebrating Merlin's being healed by the Holy Grail, not Morgana's death. We certainly didn't intend it to come across quite as coldly and unsympathetically as you interpreted it, Storyseeker, and I'm sorry if that's how it seemed. (Part of the problem, again, was having only myself and Ed to look over the story - the Edits Staff for TGS has been pretty much incapacitated lately, and one of our editors even had to resign yesterday - so we didn't realize how the scene would look to our audience.) I also somehow doubt that Nigel would have welcomed Mary's presence at that moment, since I suspect that he blames her somehow for Morgana's death (she was siding with Morgana's enemies, after all).

* SPOILERS/COMMENTS END *
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 07:20:03 PM
IP: 63.186.1.164

**TGS SPOILERS**

Story Seeker - <She told him that his wife was dead and then told him she was going out to celebrate!> You make it sound like Mary was going to celebrate Morgana's death. Choose your words wisely. That clearly isn't the case. The celebration isn't about Morgana's death.

Also, Spoiler Marks exist for a reason.

**END TGS SPOILERS**
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 07:14:58 PM
IP: 204.94.193.56

A couple of pictures of artwork were turned in late for Carbonek Part 3. Those illustrations were done by Karen Blackwell and Foxx Laverinth. The story has been updated to include those pictures.

Coming next week, an updated Credits Page listing all the various tgs staff members who contributed to Pendragon Season 4.
DPH - [<--Click here to read this week's story]
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 07:10:25 PM
IP: 204.94.193.56

Vinnie: I look forward to seeing your comments.

Leo: I hope you survived the twenty-two second wait for the episode. Bad news about the earthquake though. Hope everyone there is okay.

Vash: Can�t wait for your reviews. :)

Sean: Don't think so. But I suspect if it�s anything major, it could be months before he�s able to announce anything, so I guess we�ll just have to be patient.

***SPOILERS FOR �CARBONEK� PART THREE***

It�s fascinating to see opinions divided on Morgana. The decision to kill her came while breaking the finale. Basically we�d hit the stage where we had to reform her or deal with her once and for all. TGS has played out so many reform arcs in the past, and it seemed that Morgana isn�t the type that could be very effectively reformed. She loves hard, she hates hard. (Not unlike Mary�). There was some debate about how conscious a decision it should be on Mary�s part to let her live or die, I seem to recall. Todd went the middle way and left it ambiguous, which actually turned out really well, I think.

Storyseeker: Please don�t forget to put spoiler tags on, even when it�s a continued discussion. Powell�s fighting abilities have been highlighted before. Check out �The Watching Eye�. I�m intrigued by your assessment of the final Mary scene (and I'm looking forward to seeing if other people have different takes on it). What did you make of her misreporting Morgana�s final words, incidentally?

Archwolf: Interesting comments. I disagree on your assessment of Nigel though: I think he genuinely loves his daughter, he just never worked out how to communicate it � particularly given the strange twists in their lives over recent months. I sometimes wonder if the reason he was so desperate to get his knighthood was to give Mary something to be proud of. We never got around to exploring this very much, though, so I think your interpretation probably works from the text.

***END SPOILERS***
Ed
Cambridge, England
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 06:31:07 PM
IP: 131.111.8.98

My opinion of Mary has really gone low in this fic. She just totally disregarded her father's feelings. She never even considered that he would naturally be upset about Morgana's death. Although their marriage wasn't exactly an especially happy one, I believe he did love her and it was the first time in a long while since he had allowed himself to get close to anyone since his first wife's passing. And she just came and said "Sorry, morgana's dead. gotta go, we're going out to celebrate!" She could have stayed with him or at least offered.
Storyseeker
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 06:25:45 PM
IP: 213.122.61.12

There's a difference between moving on and being courteous. She told him that his wife was dead and then told him she was going out to celebrate!
Storyseeker
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 06:22:43 PM
IP: 213.122.61.12

<SPOILER>

My compliments to the PD staff. I normally had to be dragged kicking and screaming into reading Pendragon eps, but I have to admit that each ep this season has easily held my attention and left me wanting for more.

I liked that at the end, the majority of the front line knights were..not really dissalusioned (yeah, my spelling has always been bad), but they knew that it was not all happy fun and games now that the Grail Quest was done. Most of the clan and knights treated it as if the world were already theirs. I like it.

Caboose>'Poor Morgana'? 'Poor Morgana'? She's an immortal bitch! I, for one, was getting sick of her and her blasted vengeance quest. She struck me as an actual person and not hate incarnate perhaps twice in the course of "Pendragon" and only towards the end in her relationship with Nigel.

I'm glad she's gone and hope she doesn't find a way out of the whole she fell into. Good riddance to bad rubbish. >

And, like Morgana, you missed the point. Forgiveness, Atonement. They are for the individual to accept or reject, not for the massess to judge.

Story>I can't believe Mary could be that cold and cruel?! I mean, I understand her hesistation at helping Morgana, as anyone would feel the same, but... What she did to her father???? She just blurted it out to him that she was dead and then left him on his own. It's like she just completely forgot that he was married to her, I couldn't believe what a bitch she was then. >

I don't see it as her being a bitch. There's an old saying "Don't ask question you don't want to know the answer to."

Besides, her father had made it plenty clear that he no longer really considered Mary his daughter, or even a person. She accepted that and moved on.

</SPOILER>
Archwolf
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 06:00:03 PM
IP: 24.54.134.129

Details from the USGS
Leo - [<- It was a 4.5!]
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 05:54:39 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

WTF!! An.... earthquake???.... here in Virginia???

(details later)
Leo
Yorktown, VA
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 05:31:47 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

*CARBONEK III SPOILERS*

Storyseeker -> "Poor Morgana, is she really gone?"

'Poor Morgana'? 'Poor Morgana'? She's an immortal bitch! I, for one, was getting sick of her and her blasted vengeance quest. She struck me as an actual person and not hate incarnate perhaps twice in the course of "Pendragon" and only towards the end in her relationship with Nigel.

I'm glad she's gone and hope she doesn't find a way out of the whole she fell into. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

*END SPOILERS*
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 04:33:45 PM
IP: 198.150.95.126

hey did anything come about from greg W's big urgent question?
# X

sean
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 01:27:01 PM
IP: 64.180.58.158

Green Baron - <> Meh, I prefrer Teflon Jean over Junior.

Oh, I looked araound my appartment for that web article adress but turned up nothing, if I still have it it must be at home, I'll see if I can find it after I go home on the 19th.
Graymonk
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 09:09:40 AM
IP: 198.164.140.100

[SPOILERS]

Oh and another thing is how Arthur took his sister's death so casually? He certainly learned how to move on quickly.
Storyseeker
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 06:45:53 AM
IP: 217.150.117.210

<Vash> Sorry, I forgot to add it on, usually I do.
Storyseeker
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 06:34:51 AM
IP: 217.150.117.210

Good ending--I'll comment on it and part 2 later.

Storyseeker> it would be gracious of you to mark your post as a *spoiler* so soon after the release of the fic, especially when you don't use any label at all to warn people what your post is about
Vash
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 05:26:03 AM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Poor Morgana, is she really gone? I hope not, as she was my favourite character. Please let me know, will she be back???!!! I realise that you've only just finished this season, but I gotta know.

I can't believe Mary could be that cold and cruel?! I mean, I understand her hesistation at helping Morgana, as anyone would feel the same, but... What she did to her father???? She just blurted it out to him that she was dead and then left him on his own. It's like she just completely forgot that he was married to her, I couldn't believe what a bitch she was then.

I pity Griff too, who would have thought that Powell was such a good warrior. What a blow to Griff, to be defeated so easily and worse yet, he has to carry the secret that the clan never really won. The Illumaniti could have defeated them I bet.
Storyseeker - [Storyseeker.1@btopenworld.com]
Birmingham, UK
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 04:24:41 AM
IP: 217.150.117.210

TGS proudly presents the Pendragon Season 4 Finale . .

Carbonek Part 3

Story idea by Todd Jensen.

Written by Todd Jensen.

Additional material provided by Ed Reynolds

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DPH - [<--Click here to read this week's story]
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 12:37:44 AM
IP: 204.94.193.22

Re: Don't miss the final part of "Carbonek", coming soon to a computer near you.

Waits impatiently. :P
Leo
Tuesday, December 9, 2003 12:37:12 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

And I forgot to say, I have proof Josh/Imzadi is still alive. He IMed me a link: http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~cbosley/pictures/P6270047.JPG And let me say that I am still waiting, even after achieving engineeringhood.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, December 8, 2003 11:09:33 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Lain> <<unfortunately, yes>>: What do you mean unfortunately? The only unfortunately is that they weren't high quality tentacles.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, December 8, 2003 11:07:42 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

CHRISTI - They most likely named the site after the original Thersites in Homer's "Iliad" and Shakespeare's "Troilus and Cressida" anyway, rather than the Thersites of "Dark Ages", so I agree that the TGS character wouldn't be all that appropriate. (What the original Thersites has to do with engineering, I can't guess either.)

* SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT *

The battle lines have been drawn.

The storm is here.

Now the ultimate fight will take place, over the rarest of all relics.

The destinies of Arthur and Merlin - and many more - will be decided....

"It is your time now."

Don't miss the final part of "Carbonek", coming soon to a computer near you.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 8, 2003 07:53:57 PM
IP: 65.178.240.25

Attn: TGS staff --
I was just contacted by a guy in putting together a government website called Thersites and get this -- he wants permission to use an image that I did of Thersites (Dark Ages: forget the story but it's the one where Hudson & the blacksmith get drunk in the pub and Thersites is looking in the door wondering who's strangling the cat.)
I've seen the website layout and I'm going to advise him NOT to use the image, simply because it sticks out like a sore thumb and doesn't have anything to do with the subject matter. (It's an engineering site having something to do with biomass and tar dewpoints so why he wants a cartoon gargoyle, I have no idea!)

Spike
Monday, December 8, 2003 05:37:25 PM
IP: 67.66.0.142

question>> <<Are you serious?>> unfortunately, yes.

lain
Monday, December 8, 2003 10:08:42 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

<It has been done with real girls, and various definitions of real tentacles. >

Are you serious?
Question
Monday, December 8, 2003 07:58:48 AM
IP: 144.92.164.204

Well I guess we're at 11 now so on with the show.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, December 8, 2003 12:33:01 AM
IP: 216.234.99.242

Top 10! =)
silvadel
Monday, December 8, 2003 12:10:22 AM
IP: 24.225.134.30

I forgot to mention that we did get a bunch of snow here. To bad it wasn't packing snow, but at least it's got me... Dreaming of a White Christmas.

Fire Storm> <<Don't say bad things about the subhumans!>>: Yeah, you might hurt my feelings.
<<Maybe, just maybe... you are a moral and decent person>>: Nooooo..... Is there any cure?
<<Unless there is live action stuff in there too!>>: I said complete, didn't I? Or do you want originals regularly added, too?
<>: I've gotten the impression my fater was generally a good catholic over his life (except for maybe the chair incident).

Bud Clare> <<real tentacles?>>: It has been done with real girls, and various definitions of real tentacles.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, December 7, 2003 11:35:21 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

4th, 9th, and 10th, because I'm a glutton. ;)

Fire Storm> <<Unless there is live action stuff in there too!>>
...real tentacles?

<<With my luck, the twits would think that is a better idea.>>
Huh. Yeah, they probably would like it. Damn.
Bud-Clare
Sunday, December 7, 2003 11:33:02 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

8th.!
Leo
Sunday, December 7, 2003 11:30:55 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

7th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, December 7, 2003 10:31:30 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

TOP!

Number.... 6?
Fire Storm
Sunday, December 7, 2003 10:21:28 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

TOP 10, #5?
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, December 7, 2003 10:13:12 PM
IP: 204.94.193.33

Fourth.
Bud-Clare
Sunday, December 7, 2003 10:03:48 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

#3 but that's the number of perfection.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 7, 2003 10:00:06 PM
IP: 218.145.25.48

#2 and I think 6 days left with Darth Crouton as Prime Minster of Canada :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Sunday, December 7, 2003 09:59:39 PM
IP: 218.145.25.48

Second! yay!

Mecord
Sunday, December 7, 2003 09:57:03 PM
IP: 129.123.104.5

#1!
First time ever! Yay!
Siofra
Sunday, December 7, 2003 09:48:25 PM
IP: 68.40.59.175