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Fire Storm> <<the things I didn't mention were hygiene related gifts>>: You've been feeling... not so fresh?
<<You can only have so much Asian lesbian teen pics before you get bored... or so I hear. I am not there yet>>: Or maybe it's just that a break every now and then makes the Asian lesbian teen pics refreshen their appeal.
<<the unenlightened may never become enlightened>>: I'm not saying the unenlightened would become enlightened, just that an enlightened will eventually come along, according to probability.
<<There's the catch, eh?>>: The twenty second one, in fact.
<<Scary... but I fear you're right>>: Of course I am.
<<But what if it is a rather interesting/bloody suicide? Is it then acceptable to stop traffic so everyone can see?>>: If it's interesting enough, it should be well documented so the public can hear about it at their leisure.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, December 29, 2003 12:05:07 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

dearest firestorm>>
1) i already make up and laugh at canadian jokes because... IM CANADIAN and canadians love to laugh at themselves (cos i mean.. theres so much good material there....)
2) canada has as many guns per capita as america.
and 3) you may have missed it but... i dont exactly *have* family in canada to "go back and visit".

and in any case, even if, for some bizzare reason, i was to freak out and "run scared" from my birth country back south across the border, all i would need to do is switch the dial to rush limbaugh - or worse sean hannity - or id read some idiotic anne coulter - and id quickly come to my senses.
lain
Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:02:14 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Green Baron: <How about both, if you're in the land of Christ's birth>
Funny but true. "Merry Christmas!" *BOOM!*

Todd: <Cool, maybe, but still unusual for someone my age (not that I'm complaining).>
Relive your youth!

DPH: <Chair>
Weird. LM and I nearly weigh 400lbs together (most of it's me!) and we usually sit on my chair for hours together and no problems. If the back fell out, then whoever is in the chair leans back a lot (or rocks the chair, balances it on 2 legs, whatever) and that screws up the weight distribution, and well, that can cause failure.

Dezi: 
But the important question: Did she get a sugar rush?
<Hey, I got some too. The kitchen variety>
Same. But these things are frelling SW33T!
<Brandon swears that my mom is trying to kill me by giving them to me, 'cause, you know, I have this unlucky tendency to hurt myself on accident. Just ask my toe.>
I'm the same way. There are many times I fear I will have to wake LM up to take me to the ER.
<Murder, as long as its called culling the herd.>
"But officer! I was just helping out Captain Darwin!"

Gside: <Namely breaking CR decency standards>
I wish. Na, the things I didn't mention were hygiene related gifts.
<They have to do something different if they want to sell.>
Agreed. You can only have so much Asian lesbian teen pics before you get bored... or so I hear. I am not there yet.
<But it only takes a few goes through some unenlightened until you get around to an enlightened.>
Well, the unenlightened may never become enlightened if someone is always doing their work for them. I was unenlightened and made scripts at work to help make work easier and my co-workers are still unenlightened and some have even become MORE unenlightened!
<But money aids in the acheivement of so many purposes>
There's the catch, eh? Be happy, do what you want, but you need money to do that, and to get money, you have to do what you don't want and makes you not have time for what you want
<Right, I guess that just means we'll have to write up tutorials on all the however many tags we don't use.>
"This is a ASP tag, which you won't use since we are on a Unix machine."
<With any luck it'd be a recreation of royal France, just after the local Marie Antoinette said "Let them eat pie".>
Scary... but I fear you're right.
<Suicide, as long as you don't block traffic.>
Interesting... But what if it is a rather interesting/bloody suicide? Is it then acceptable to stop traffic so everyone can see?

lain: <ARGH!!!! STUPID FARKING AMERICANS!!!!!>
Be careful who you insult! You are becoming one of us. One of us. One of us.
You have been brought so far from Canada that you're nearly in Mexico, you have been given the gift of guns
Soon you will learn that Canada can very easily be the brunt of jokes, and you will be making those jokes, telling the jokes, even LAUGHING at the jokes.
Then, one day, you will visit family in Canada and you will think "My god! Was I like this once?" And you will leave scared, never to return.
For this is the American way!
Fire Storm
Sunday, December 28, 2003 05:28:51 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

dezi>> <<Blame Canada!! (click my name for more)>> thats the... the.... ARGH!!!! STUPID FARKING AMERICANS!!!!! its not bad enough that you have to go ruining the ENTIRE canadian beef industry ONCE as a dirty little revenge tactic for us not joining your dumb-ass fraudulent war against iraq is it??? nooooooo, cant have THAT. when it comes around to bite YOUR beef industry in the arse, you have to go blaming it on us too. nice. very nice. :P:P

anon>> <<Thanks for the info. Can't wait for the finished product>> yeah, it should be cool :)

for christmas, i got:
socks
a nice scarf
a really awesome handmade book from gjs sister about the progression of our relationship.. which is DISGUSTINGLY cute :D
chocolate
red pajamas with a cute little fuzzy white cat on the front from my aunt and gran in england
more chocolate (with peanut butter in it)
pirates of the caribbean on dvd (mmmmm jack sparrow *drool*)
some snazzy art markers
and a duotone cz85 combat model 9mm handgun with molded rubber grips and 4 high-capacity pre-ban magazines. it is sexy. cmon, guess who gave me that... ;)

lain - [<< --like that, only with black slide and different grips]
Sunday, December 28, 2003 03:07:53 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

DPH:>Thanks for the info. Can't wait for the finished product.
Anonymous
Chipley , Florida, U.S.A
Sunday, December 28, 2003 04:32:14 AM
IP: 209.215.12.171

Leo:<This is nothing more than a curiosity. You have "Dottie Dog", did you ever have a "Zipper Cat?" :D > No, just a dog. Dot is a black and white dog with lots of spots. Her brother was named Spot. We weren't supposed to name them, because my mom figured it would be more ammo in the argument to keep them. The names were supposed to be descriptive. Most of them stuck. I add the -Dog to better indicate that I am talking about my dog, and not some weird aunt Dorothy or something. :) BTW what is a Zipper Cat?

Gside:<Are you sure you're not my mother? > Yes. More than reasonably sure. The ironic thing is that I just spent the whole week making fun of my own mom who is tons more clumsy than I am. :)
Dezi
Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:55:55 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Today, I made it into the Whole Pie Eater's Club at Pete and Elda's. On an extra cheese, too.

Fire Storm> <<Aside from a few things I won't mention (various reasons)>>: Namely breaking CR decency standards.
<<but that does not stop the inventive from trying>>: They have to do something different if they want to sell.
<<Only possibly enlightened>>: But it only takes a few goes through some unenlightened until you get around to an enlightened.
<<But you can't rely on money alone. You need a purpose in life>>: But money aids in the acheivement of so many purposes.
<<That would make sense, and you know very well that is not allowed>>: Right, I guess that just means we'll have to write up tutorials on all the however many tags we don't use.
<<Can you just see Picard trying to stop a giant orbital pie gun from creaming a city?>>: With any luck it'd be a recreation of royal France, just after the local Marie Antoinette said "Let them eat pie".
<<Which is more acceptable: Murder or Suicide?>>: Suicide, as long as you don't block traffic.

Green Baron> <<I'll trade you Ben for portraits of Alexander Hamilton, Abe Lincoln, and George Washington>>: Would you trade me a Ben for a Woodrow Wilson?

Dezi> <<it's really fun to just randomly yell Pirates!>>: Only if you follow it with an Arrr.
<>: Are you sure you're not my mother?
<<It was like finding money in your clothes>>: Or SnoopyCool's Christmas present of 70+ chapters in one day.
<<pointless, but my dad and I share a birthday, and I read in the news of a lady who had three sons, each about two years apart, all on her birthday>>: Yes, it is pointless, but still fun.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:29:40 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Dezi:> This is nothing more than a curiosity. You have "Dottie Dog", did you ever have a "Zipper Cat?" :D
Leo
Sunday, December 28, 2003 12:16:43 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Blame Canada!! (click my name for more ;) ). Really, it's kinda funny, and So. Korea was banning _our_ meat.
(Nothing on the Canadians, really, I just saw the story on CNN)

Yes folks, I have returned. Christmas went ok for me, but Dottie-dog and I are tired. Zzzzzzz.
Presents? Brandon made me a really cool piece of Snoopy art (Todd: Snoopy rocks, and don't you forget it! ;) Shoot, man, we can barter. I got a bottle of hair conditioner here I could part with :D )
He later got me a new keyboard and a new mouse and an Inuyasha boxed set. (Eat that, Warpie!)
Got some Korean Snoopys, some American Snoopys, Snoopy Jammy-pants, Snoopy salt shakers....Oh yeah, and Pirates! (of the Caribbean, but it's really fun to just randomly yell Pirates! Try it.)
So now, with my new board, my fingers are happy. My toe hurts though. I stubbed it last nite, really really bad, I either hurt that tendon that connects it to the foot or maybe broke it a little. I'm putting money on the tendon. Toes aren't supposed to bend that way.
Mom got me a Chicago Blackhawks jersey. Been wanting one for years. I also got to spend tons of quality time with my little sisters. My 6 yr. old sis got a Barbie slug bug powerwheel!! I always wanted one of those! So we took it outside and I lived vicariously until she got tired and reminded me I was going to help her with her kindergarden homework. A very important design element on that car, though: It is too wide to fit through doorways the normal way, it must be turned on its side to get through. Result: No driving the car in the house. End of arguement.

Dottie spent the week being chased around by the one year old sister. Her eyes would get all big and she would zero in on Dottie and zoooom! She's a quick crawler. They would do laps around the kitchen table. At one point, Nicole ambushed Dot by crawling over my lap and flailing her arms around until she caught fur. Dottie was remarkably patient. She also reports that she got an extendable leash, a no-pull harness (which she is puzzled about and refuses to wear) and a new bandana and some jerky treats.

In other news: One of my pet rats, Surf, the evil one, died. He hurt his foot, or maybe got some kind of leg tumor, but if he just plain hurt it, it got infected. Either way, it got really swollen and he quit eating. He was buried next to Homer, who got pneumonia and died from choking on seeds while eating. :( Just Demus and Zen now.

Good news: It's official! My dad got his mid-tour leave! As of Jan. 16 he'll be stateside for 2 weeks. Sucky part is that is right at the end of the first week back at school for me, so I'll only get to see him on a weekend. :(
He's back in March/April, baring any stupidity, so that's ok. :)

FireStorm:<a delightful breakfast of Pixie Stix and Mountain Dew > I saw a girl snort a pixie stick on a dare in high school. She started to cough and yelled it was killing her. I also saw a girl snort salt at McDonald's. It reacted with her snot and she started yelling It burns! It burns! and scared small children.
<KNIVES! > Hey, I got some too. The kitchen variety. Brandon swears that my mom is trying to kill me by giving them to me, 'cause, you know, I have this unlucky tendency to hurt myself on accident. Just ask my toe.
<Murder or Suicide?> Murder, as long as its called culling the herd.

Green Baron:<showing me the Cr from a week ago> That happened to me on one of my fav Inuyasha sites. It took me awhile to figure it out too. I just thought the guy just wasn't updating the site (its a manga translation site). I was starting to get really bummed and was surfing google and came to that site and it suddenly worked! Lots of Inuyashas! (like a month and a half) It was like finding money in your clothes!

Attilla:<the first day of Kwanzaa> Care to share some of its history?
<I'd get mad and introduce you to some Korean chefs I know ;) > Dottie-dog says Oh please *rolls eyes* She's been chased around for the better part of a week by a half-Korean baby bent on making a meal of Dottie's tail and no Dottie stew yet. ....Although Dottie _did_ steal a cookie from Nicole and tried to take her bottle....

Gside:< But then, the chance of a pair of people sharing a birthday in any significant sized group is larger than you'd expect > Ok, pointless, but my dad and I share a birthday, and I read in the news of a lady who had three sons, each about two years apart, all on her birthday.

DPH:<to ensure I don't oversleep for classes. > Get one of those alarm clocks that has a hammer and two bells. The old kind. I don't think dead people can sleep through those. ...But if you shut it off and roll over, you're screwed....
<bound to be a few superbeings around.> Dottie-Dog is currently claiming superbeing status. It's good for her ego.

Ok that's about it. Oh yeah, my grandma treated me to a little story from her childhood. It was 1947 (about) and she was about 10 years old and there were these little people walking around her house, trying to get in. Since she was little and WWII was still in her head, she thought they were Nazis. Now she thinks they were aliens (since that was Roswell time and all) and I'm not really sure if she was joking or for real.... :/
Ok bye bye.
Dezi - [(beef! It's what's for dinner!)]
Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:53:01 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Anon - <This might sound like a stupid question. But what ever became of the "Christmas present" that was offered to the TGS readers a few weeks ago?> 1st, it's not a stupid question. 2nd, it's being . . umm . . worked on.

Green Baron - < The US has banned beef from countries with just one case, so I won't criticize other countries for that. Canada has the same policy, too. Is that extreme? Maybe. The US may want to reconsider it's decision, and I imagine other countries should, too. > I have to agree. Just banning beef from a country the minute you hear about mad cow in that country sounds just stupid. I don't mind banning the beef from one country for one case of mad cow, if I know it's because the country doesn't have adequate safeguards in place. But, on the other hand, if a country doesn't have adequate safeguards in place, then why in heck are we importing beef from there? To me, that's the really simple question.

Fire Storm - <but nearly every chair will stand up to <300 lbs, as long as they aren't abused.> b.s. When is sitting in a chair considered abuse? <Ones with arms that are attached to the backs are definitely stronger.> Back fell out before the legs did. What my friend definitely weighs less than 300 lb and more than 250 lb, but chairs just don't last. I'll advise him to go to Office Depot and ask to look at chairs that are extra strong, specifically looking for a warranty that is at least . . 90 days to see if the chair can last.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:11:07 PM
IP: 204.94.193.76

FIRE STORM - [Ok, now that has to be one of the coolest presents this year!]

Cool, maybe, but still unusual for someone my age (not that I'm complaining).
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 27, 2003 08:14:07 PM
IP: 63.186.0.244

Krista: Missing your girlfriend can be a sadness, my condolensces.. Call her. If you take this post acceptance of your apology as a polite hint to curb your posting, or perhaps you could go to a chat room and talk all you like there.

http://s8.org/chat/gargs/

Copy and paste into your browser, or hit my name for a link below.

However, keep posting here looking for me to forgive you for over-posting and I will be forced to be mean and ban you. Them's the breaks, kiddo. I shall take silence from your corner as understanding and as a thank you. :)

Mara
Saturday, December 27, 2003 05:38:33 PM
IP: 205.188.209.40

Please, Mara, answer me. Do you forgive me?
Krista
Saturday, December 27, 2003 05:30:11 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Oops. Sorry. Shuting up now.
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 04:36:19 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Sorry, Mara. I guess I just wanted to feel like Marleena was here. She is my BFF and she just moved. I haven't heard from her, and it was she that told me of this site. I guess maybe...maybe I was trying to get her attention if she was on. I'm sorry. I am an idiot. Yeah, I just discovered the images thingy. It's really cool. Could you ever forgive me for being such a dimwitt?
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 04:35:39 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Sorry, Anonymous. I guess I just wanted to feel like Marleena was here. She is my BFF and she just moved. I haven't heard from her, and it was she that told me of this site. I guess maybe...maybe I was trying to get her attention if she was on. I'm sorry. I am an idiot. Yeah, I just discovered the images thingy. It's really cool. Could you ever forgive me for being such a dimwitt?
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 04:34:17 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Wow. I just looked at all the images on this website. They are so cool!
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 04:28:22 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

This might sound like a stupid question. But what ever became of the "Christmas present" that was offered to the TGS readers a few weeks ago?
Anonymous
Chipley , Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, December 27, 2003 04:17:23 PM
IP: 209.215.12.219

Anonymous, Marleena and Krista:

Happy Holidays and I'm glad you have a Brooklyn fetish, I like him too. However, flooding the comment room from the same IP address is frowned upon here. We've had a nasty run of multiple personalities masquerading as separate "real" entities and as such whenever different people posting from different cities, within minutes of each other, with the same IP addy... well it makes me queasy in the heart. You don't want to make Co-Admin Mara come down from On High with heart-sickness? No, little newbies, you love your Goddess more than that, you little sweeties.

Stop sharing the same comp under pretense to spam this lovely comment room. I'll give you a cookie. Or I'll ban you.

Also, you do not need to spam this room to see the images, there is a nifty link at the top right of the page where you can go and find all sorts of lovely sorts of TGS images.

Don't make me have to spank you in front of the oldbies... they laugh and point.
Mara "Shinigami" Cordova - [baranotenshi@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:59:34 PM
IP: 205.188.209.40

...
Anonymous
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:54:03 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

?
Anonymous
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:53:34 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Okay, I got it. Deliath is Angela's clone.
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:51:49 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Who's this?
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:50:38 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Chill, Marleena.
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:48:21 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

NO! NO! Brooklyn is mine!
Marleena - [mcluster87@hotmail.com]
Odessa, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:46:34 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Yo. I just discovered this site, and I think it's the greatest thing I've found on the computer yet! I love it! Is anyone else writting their own stories of the gargoyles? Just curious.
Krista - [ksitton@charter.net]
Denton, TX, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:43:33 PM
IP: 68.185.206.251

Found this on Kungfool:
Thanks to it's fans, ALF is making a TV comeback. If we work hard, Gargoyles may not be far behind.
Fire Storm
Saturday, December 27, 2003 02:28:11 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Gifts for my dogs:
rawhides and squeak toys

Gifts for my cats:
a stuffed mouse with a bell tail and bunch of stuff that rolls with bells inside

something you hang on the door nob with little danglers attached so they can swing their paws.

Stocking goodies:
Mechanicle pencils
Nordstrom truffles
Rocher hazelnut candies
A relaxing sounds headset. each button indicates a sound like rain, brook, ocean, rainforrest.
4 tooters ( plastic test tubes full of booze)
3 mini bottles of Amaretto
a bunch of lotto scratch cards (I won over $13)

Gifts:
strawberry bubble bath set
Pj's
socks and bras
a new pegasus for the collection
new Xanth books
an organizer
A CD
money
a box of Godiva caramels
a box of little chocolate bottls full of liquore
Hellsing
Pirates of the Carribean
A watch and necklace set

and a Wacom graphire is on it's way.

Spacebabie - [spacebabie@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:53:42 AM
IP: 4.72.73.157

Gside> Thanks for the information. I can get on for now, but itmay start locking up again, so I can deal with it then.

DPH> The US has banned beef from countries with just one case, so I won't criticize other countries for that. Canada has the same policy, too. Is that extreme? Maybe. The US may want to reconsider it's decision, and I imagine other countries should, too.

Gov Locke of Washington has announced he wille at a spare rib despite the mad cow scare, so if he starts acting crazy and endorses Dennis Kucinich, we'll know that it's a bigger problem than we thought.

Fire Storm> <<Which is more acceptable: Murder or Suicide?>> How about both, if you're in the land of Christ's birth :)

<<Look at how people avoided Chinese people due to SARS earlier this year>> Even Berkely did that.

Patrick> I'll trade you Ben for portraits of Alexander Hamilton, Abe Lincoln, and George Washington :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Humphreys, Korea
Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:07:33 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

Weird things at work:
1. I saw someone having a delightful breakfast of Pixie Stix and Mountain Dew
2. They are replacing the carpet here, which means they are grinding down the floors. We spend a week removing the computers from this area, and they all have to be back by Monday. They are still grinding and they are no where near close to putting in the carpet. There isn't a chance in hell this will be done by Monday. I kinda wish I was here on Monday to see the chaos.

Christmas loot:
I got good stuff! Aside from a few things I won't mention (various reasons), I got:
Money, a BREAD MAKER (W00T! I missed having one), and several people gave me the gift that keeps on giving: KNIVES! (These are sw33t ones that I kinda swiped from LM's father, and he got me MORE of them! Gotta love the Amish!)

Gside: <But they're still clown pies. Are you sure you trust them?>
I have little reason to care or worry. If I get turned, I will then have a legal excuse to kill.
If not, hey, I have pie!

They are, but that does not stop the inventive from trying
<Ah, yes, the dangers of providing a place where the possibly technologically enlightened can get angered>
Only possibly enlightened. Or those that can download toolz from those who ARE enlightened
<Exactly. It makes it a little bit better.>
But you can't rely on money alone. You need a purpose in life!
<So have you converted it to an icebox? and how fast do you go through ice?>
No, the fridge still works... for now. It's just tiny. And if I DID need ice, I would have fun and find a local liquid nitrogen supplier.
<Heck have one of the three of us write up an intro to html talking about the 7 or 8 tags we use in the stories.>
That would make sense, and you know very well that is not allowed.

Bud-Clare: <And Gruyere, and parmesan, and colby, and monterey jack, and swiss, and...>
MUNSTER! The ULTIMATE snacking cheese!
(Although, I won't say no to a nice Asiago bagel.)
<Given the context, I think I'm okay with that.>
*sigh* Suit yourself. But one day you may look back and wish that you knew.
Or not.
<Whiner. Even Star Trek drew the line at pie guns.>
Can you just see Picard trying to stop a giant orbital pie gun from creaming a city?
<Hey! Some of us are female, remember? Sheesh...>
Don't worry. We'll get you the right tools so you can join in the fun!
<Try not to have too much fun while I'm gone this time.>
She's gone! Let's start the next cool discussion!
Which is more acceptable: Murder or Suicide?

DPH: <I'm really perplexed about how that finding one case of Mad Cow disease leads to banning all beef exports from a country.>
Panic. Fear. Lack of education on the topic.
Look at how people avoided Chinese people due to SARS earlier this year
<Does anyone what kind of chair would be sturdy for a person who buys over . . 250 pounds?>
Well, most chairs will stand up to that weight... it's all about how much they are abused (leaning back, etc.) Besides... hollow legs are sturdier than solid legs (at least metal, anyway) Go to Office Depot and check out the chairs. Most of the ones that cost more than $50 are pretty good, but stay away from the ones that have wood under the fabric (nearly impossible to tell, though) Ergonomic chairs are usually crap, though. Ones with arms that are attached to the backs are definitely stronger. I know there are sites that make stuff for the extremely overweight (500+ lbs), but nearly every chair will stand up to <300 lbs, as long as they aren't abused.

Todd: <a couple of wind-up toys of Snoopy and Woodstock>
Ok, now that has to be one of the coolest presents this year!
Fire Storm
Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:48:17 AM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Hmm. Does anyone what kind of chair would be sturdy for a person who buys over . . 250 pounds? Said person is complaining about chairs breaking because the chair can't handle the weight. Said person is commenting that hollow metal legs . . aren't good enough. Any ideas on what kind of chair that said person needs to buy?
dph's hologram
AR, USA
Saturday, December 27, 2003 03:19:44 AM
IP: 204.94.193.11

Patrick:<<Half-size working replica of the leg lamp from "A Christmas Story.">>
LOL!! Did it come in a crate marked "Fra-GI-le?"
It probabably came from "LegLamps.com" (Click my name)

I got the DVD for my father.

Leo - [<- LegLamps.com :)]
Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:36:34 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Christmas was all right, didn't get any really fun toys (bandannas, peg puzzles, a snake screwdriver, and a gift card to Borders so far). My father did better with a Bilbo/Gandalf at Bag End's door set of bookends (with another collection of the trilogy (#4 I think)), some books of Tolkien analysis (philosophy and languages), and LoTR Trivial Pursuit (too many questions about the movies). Though I got to hear and see Wannamaker's organ in Philly.

DPH> <<if you're in a group of 30 (is that the right number?) or more people, the odds are incredibly large that two people share the same birthday>>: The real way to do it is not to figure out the probability of some people sharing birthdays, but the probabiliry of nobody sharing a birthday and subtract it from 1. The math goes that you take the first guy, then factor in the second guy not sharing his birthday(364/365), then the third guy not sharing the first two, and so on(363/365). So it'd be 364!/(364-29)!/(365^29), or 0.271, just in a bit more than seven out of every ten groupings of 30 people you're in, two people will share a birthday. Of course, the chance of you being one of the two aren't so good.
<<the knowledge acquired will enable you do do better at gambling>>: Exactly, you'll figure out you shouldn't.

Green Baron> <>: First of all, shift-reload will force a requery to the server instead of maybe reading from your cache. Ortherwise, in Tools/Internet Options check what settings you have for cehcking for newer versions of stored pages (make sure it's not Never). Of course, that's assuming you'll be able to read this.

Patrick> <<Wallet-size portrait of Ben Franklin>>: A.K.A. Cold hard cash. I've been meaning to get rid of mine and my two Grants for a while now.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, December 26, 2003 11:17:20 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

My haul for Christmas 2003:

"Indiana Jones" trilogy on DVD
Cordless phone with hands-free headset
Automatic paper shredder with basket
Dress shirt, sweater, and three new ties
Borders gift card
Wallet-size portrait of Ben Franklin

And finally, the most bizzare gift...

Half-size working replica of the leg lamp from "A Christmas Story."
Patrick
Friday, December 26, 2003 11:06:58 PM
IP: 68.73.165.58

Kathy> I got a Nativity scene, and various candies from my mother including maple sugar.

From Karen and her family I got various gifts, including a picture of Karen's graduation, a few DVDs, a book on Corner Brook, and a mug.

On Chistmas Day I watched Buffy, but the day before I sange Carols throughout parts of the post and went to Midnight Mass, so a good time in general. Plus I had a lot fo days off, unlike in Kosovo.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotail.com]
Camp Humphreys, Korea
Friday, December 26, 2003 10:27:45 PM
IP: 218.145.25.48

Testing...my comp is locked in to showing me the Cr from a week ago. I cleared all my cookies, but no good came of it. I sthere anyway to stop this probem. I even hit relaod continuously, but my IE is locked to a fixed point in the CR from a month ago. Maybe thsi message will update.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Friday, December 26, 2003 10:04:56 PM
IP: 218.145.25.48

I got a 2004 journal, some pencils, and a couple of wind-up toys of Snoopy and Woodstock (I'm not making the last bit up, either, and believe me, I was as surprised to get them as you are to read about them).
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 26, 2003 07:13:39 PM
IP: 63.186.0.96

Happy Boxing Day!

So is nobody going to spill about their holiday swag?

I got a shiny yellow contractors wheel barrow!

kathy
Friday, December 26, 2003 02:14:37 PM
IP: 66.82.197.68

Today is also the first day of Kwanzaa, and I celebrate, but only because I have soem black fur and cats were worshipped by an African culture 4,000 years ago, even if its founder does have a shady past.

and please someone be offended. I woudl loe for Gabriel to comment onmy insnsensitivity as we need some fun again, sinc I have captured the Green Baron and running out of things to use in probing him, though I have been having with him, a bucket of water, and some electrodes.

Dottie> Chomping on me, now? Good thing I'm a Fifth Magnitude ghost (Ravenloft reference) or I'd get mad and introduce you to some Korean chefs I know ;)

Ed> The Mirror is another one to take care of. I'd much rather read the Sun than the Mirror :) Of course, the Sun is funny as they make fun of Chirac and don't care about being fined. Now, how are you on sending Ken Livingstone to the Tower of London, permanently?

Vinny> The Martians are planning to counter-attack with strange gases coming from Uranus :)

Happy Bithday Mooncat!! ::Attila, Bucky Katt, and Bub Bun enetr the CR room in disco outfits as they start strip- dancing for Mooncat::

Three male strippers all for you :)
ghost of Reverend Attila
Friday, December 26, 2003 09:23:43 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

Happy Boxing Day, everyone - a day which has nothing whatsoever (again I say) to do with boxing, but with boxes.

*a large box falls out of the sky upon Todd; only his feet stick out from beneath it, a la the Wicked Witch of the East *

That's not funny, people.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 26, 2003 07:13:09 AM
IP: 63.186.0.245

I would say "Merry Christmas", but technically it's not Christmas and this holiday doesn't make me merry.

Gside - <But then, the chance of a pair of people sharing a birthday in any significant sized group is larger than you'd expect> I've always had trouble buying that statement. Supposedly, if you're in a group of 30 (is that the right number?) or more people, the odds are incredibly large that two people share the same birthday. I can buy that with a group of maybe 182 or more people, not with a group of 30.

Jaden - <At least you didn't find out that you should have taken a stats class instead of algebra.> Stats class is fun, IMHO. Just think, when you leave the class, the knowledge acquired will enable you do do better at gambling.

I'm really perplexed about how that finding one case of Mad Cow disease leads to banning all beef exports from a country.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, December 26, 2003 02:40:23 AM
IP: 204.94.193.57

Merry Christmas everyone! I hope you are all enjoying the holiday.

lain He could always send out invitations for a party.

Gside- At least you didn't find out that you should have taken a stats class instead of algebra.

Back to Christmas party.
Later.
Jaden - [jaden1444@aol.com]
Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:22:43 PM
IP: 172.193.84.40

Merry Christmas, everybody!
Patrick
Thursday, December 25, 2003 09:03:33 PM
IP: 68.73.165.58

Mery Chrismas to all!!
Leo
Thursday, December 25, 2003 08:49:24 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Merry Christmas, everyone!
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 25, 2003 07:01:48 PM
IP: 63.186.0.74

One wishes a happy Christmas all the Commonwealth and Britian and one's Allies in America. :)

silverbolt
EnglandThursday, December 25, 2003 05:44:26 PM
IP: 213.122.102.56

Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!
kathy
Thursday, December 25, 2003 05:25:57 PM
IP: 66.82.197.68

Merry Christmas. Candy time!
Niamhgold
Thursday, December 25, 2003 04:07:20 PM
IP: 69.161.59.115

Merry Christmas to all!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, December 25, 2003 03:35:48 PM
IP: 216.234.99.233

Merry Christmas east coast, and merry Christmas everyone else when it gets around to you (or already has).
Spent the day making potatoes au gratin, cooking turkey, shipping presents, and trimming the tree (finally). Tomorrow it's off to Philly for the night.

Bud Clare> <<Hey! Some of us are female, remember?>>: They make some wonderful temporary prosthetics nowadays, in two styles, even: strap on and double ended.

Warpmind! Welcome back.
<<a dark-haired man>>: You've got hair again?
<<The statement at the...>>: Now that is a true brace of Anas platyrhynchos.

Happy Birthday Mooncat.

Silvadel> <<Mine is fairly close to christmas being Jan 26th>>: That is rather creepy, being my own birthday. But then, the chance of a pair of people sharing a birthday in any significant sized group is larger than you'd expect (364/365*363/365*362/365...).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:59:48 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Yes Happy Birthday Mooncat -- what a horrible time to have a birthday... Mine is fairly close to christmas being Jan 26th but it is just far enough away to have it be 2 separate occasions...

For you it must have always been happy birthday merry christmas... one fewer sets of presents for you...
silvadel
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 05:53:20 PM
IP: 24.225.134.30

I don't know If I'll be on tomorow. Merry Christmas!

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 04:48:46 PM
IP: 4.72.75.204

Happy Birthday to Mooncat!

And speaking of Mooncat, I think I'll repost *her* link to that "Flame Warriors" site. :p
Leo - [<-"Flame Warriors"]
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 03:20:54 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Bud-Clare:<Talking to you is punishment enough for any crime. Although I'm still appalled that someone who thinks that a pie gun is clever is claiming to have imagination, so I'm going to punish you in the most appropriate way I can. *starts cramming that horrible-tasting, absurd, "lacative"-laced pie down Vinnie's throat* There. The Gods of Imagination are well-pleased that the upstart has received his comeuppance. All is right with the world once again. (Except, of course, for the things which are still quite wrong, but which can be overlooked for the purposes of this pointless generalization.)> *Quietly ignores Bud-Clare and goes back to work reshaping the cream covered surface of Mars into a Green Baron Memorial*
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:18:42 PM
IP: 216.234.99.231

The statement at the bottom of this post is true.
*A faint creaking spreads through the CR, as an old, poorly-tended door slowly opens, and a dark-haired man with a reddish goatee strides forth, smiling enimgatically, scanning the room.*
I... live... again.

So, folks, what with my loooooooooong absence and all, wherein I've been working at an advertising agency, acquired a driver's license and many, many things that have happened over the past year and so... I'm back.
Hopefully, I'll stick around here for a while, too.

But for now, all I'll say is Merry Christmas!

And then I'm outta here for Christmas Dinner and such.

The statement at the top of this post is false.
Warpmind de InzanE - [warpmindNOSPAM@tiscali.no]
Middle, Nowhere, Norway
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 09:09:05 AM
IP: 193.217.195.141

I'm going out of town again. Try not to have too much fun while I'm gone this time.
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Vinnie> <<Oh, I never bore people that is only for the unimaginative.>>
That's what we like to call "denial." You might consider looking it up.

<<So punish yourself!>>
Talking to you is punishment enough for any crime. Although I'm still appalled that someone who thinks that a pie gun is clever is claiming to have imagination, so I'm going to punish you in the most appropriate way I can. *starts cramming that horrible-tasting, absurd, "lacative"-laced pie down Vinnie's throat* There. The Gods of Imagination are well-pleased that the upstart has received his comeuppance. All is right with the world once again. (Except, of course, for the things which are still quite wrong, but which can be overlooked for the purposes of this pointless generalization.)
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Fire Storm> <<If you have to ask, you will never know.>>
Given the context, I think I'm okay with that.

<<Maybe he is referring to Star Trek's stance on paradox's: Whatever fits the story>>
Nah, that's what he was complaining about. Whiner. Even Star Trek drew the line at pie guns.

<<Only when the soap is dropped.>>
Hey! Some of us are female, remember? Sheesh...
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Gside> <<Cheddar mostly, maybe some edam next, and of course intermittant bouts of mozerella.>>
And Gruyere, and parmesan, and colby, and monterey jack, and swiss, and... *melts into a puddle of drooling goo at the thought*
Bud-Clare
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 05:41:12 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Lain> <<some people to help me update the secure site would be nice>>: You've gotta let me know what needs to be done before I can do it. Though I'd say it's a bad idea to have people just to make changes other people want done. You should get some of the people already involved to learn how to do it (or use a wysiwyg editor).
<<you should really stop wasting your breath, you know>>: Everyone has the right to be irritated by what they want.

DPH> <<Only having 3 people on staff who know HTML is sufficient?>>: Not really, but having people whose only job is to know html isn't an effective answer. Heck have one of the three of us write up an intro to html talking about the 7 or 8 tags we use in the stories.

Vinnie> <<But time itself can't be altered>>: Entirely up to the author.
<<More importantly if you want to write a timetravel story that appeals to the masses you need the story to be believable>>: Tell that to Terry Pratchett (a quote: "'Thirty thousand years ago they were made a million years ago. Time here is,' the kangaroo shrugged, 'noththe same. It was... glued together differently, right?'"). All you really need is internal consistancy. And besides, to be truly believeable, you need to mention relativity and the speed of light, something I don't believe H. G. Wells ever did.

Bud Clare> <<Maybe I _want_ to destroy the universe... Nah, I'd rather eat cheese>>: As would I. Cheddar mostly, maybe some edam next, and of course intermittant bouts of mozerella.

Fire Storm> <<Yeah, but they had a warehouse full of pies, so...>>: But they're still clown pies. Are you sure you trust them?
<<Reminds me of this one vid I saw that involved celery>>: I thought carrots were more popular.
<<It only takes 1 pissed off fan>>: Ah, yes, the dangers of providing a place where the possibly technologically enlightened can get angered.
<<Money is nice, but that's just a bonus>>: Exactly. It makes it a little bit better.
<<Like my fridge>>: So have you converted it to an icebox? and how fast do you go through ice?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 01:34:23 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Bud Clare - <But senility comes to everyone, sooner or later.> And I try not to post when I am exceptionally sleep deprived.

Ok, I have a deadline I'm working under. I have to get my house cleaned up by New Year's Eve or I'm out. Thankfully, I have left to do is clean two rooms: my living room and my kitchen.

I decided to take the exceptionally brave step of asking my dad to come over tomorrow night to help me make Quesadillas. My sister-in-law has told me that using my food processor to grind meat from a chicken . . leaves a flavor. I asked my dad over to help me debone the chicken after I get the legs cooked. Thankfully, I printed out my recipe so he won't have to stop to ask me what's next.

Oh yea, the mother of my dad's wife passed away early this morning. Thankfully, I am told it was peacefull. No, I'm not that affected.

As usual, Christmas doesn't have that much meaning to me.

A while back, my dad . . discovered I had taken medication for depression. I told him the reason I stopped was because I couldn't get any more free without a copy of his tax returns because I'm a dependent of him for tax purposes. He said he would give a copy of the returns so I can continue getting medication. I told him that medication has two interesting side effects: increased drowsiness and weight loss. I don't mind the 2nd effect :-) , but the 1st effect can present problems at times because I'll have to somebody watching over me to ensure I don't oversleep for classes.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:01:42 AM
IP: 204.94.193.73

SargeAbernathy: <Is this anyone, anyone would know? He was a huge fanatic>
Maybe you had a run in with Patrick Toman/Madame Destine

Gside: 
Yeah, but they had a warehouse full of pies, so...
<Isn't she starting to show her age now?>
Yeah, I would say so.
<It can most definitely be better, depending on the editing and the vegetables>
Reminds me of this one vid I saw that involved celery
<How large are they really? I mean they have us, but are we really that large comparatively?>
It only takes 1 pissed off fan
<Depends on if we can also make them give us all their money>
Money is nice, but that's just a bonus. The whole point is reveling in the fact that you are making them insane

See?
<Just keep reminding yourself it's paying for your wedding>
Yeah...
<Then after the wedding you can actually start buying toys again.>
Like my fridge!

Bud-Clare: <Please don't use l33t, it chafes me so.>
$0ri! !'ll B c4r3|=u1
<You would certainly expect so, wouldn't you? But apparently not.>
Well, it all depends on the paradox, I guess.
<Regardless...what the &$*@ does Star Trek have to do with anything?>
*sigh* If you have to ask, you will never know.
Maybe he is referring to Star Trek's stance on paradox's: Whatever fits the story

Vinnie: <It's not my fault Martians like to attack from behind>
Only when the soap is dropped
Fire Storm
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:06:58 PM
IP: 68.73.59.147

Hello all,

LotR Review> I know I'm later with the review than most. I was still cutting through the book. Sorry, but I have a hard time loving the book. Many of Ed's criticisms of the movie I felt towards the book. The plot seemed shackled to irrelevant info and minutae that didn't help move the story forward or make it any deeper. I will call a spade and spade in that the movie was definate a thrill ride. My favorite part was the Eagles fighting the Nazgul. I've written stories of raptors fighting dragons and it looked incredibly similar. Lots of fun.

One thing the movie did make me ponder was the relationship between the author and Frodo and Sam. In the early part of the story it was clear Tolkien identifies with Frodo. But as the story progresses and Frodo was put into contention it seemed like Sam became Tolkien's cypher. Maybe that's why Sam goes way above the call of best friend. I noticed both in the movie and the book how Frodo gradually loses his drive while Sam by contrast seems indefatiguable and ever optimistic. Just a thought.

I won't work to change anyone's opinons. I liked it. I'll probably buy the extended edition box set. Definately a fun ride.
Taleweaver
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:58:19 PM
IP: 207.69.139.136

Bud-Clare - <All of those? You might have to merge several people to form a superbeing.> There's bound to be a few superbeings around. ;) But having one or more of those qualities makes a person a potential applicant for tgs.
dph
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 06:46:05 PM
IP: 204.94.193.15

Bud-Clare:<There's a reason why you can't get a date.> It's not my fault Martians like to attack from behind, but since i noticed this trend I put most of my defenses behind me.<You bored a lot of people to death. You must be punished.> Oh, I never bore people that is only for the unimaginative. So punish yourself!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 01:45:50 PM
IP: 216.234.99.44

DPH> <>
You don't need to apologise. I was just confused...because those colors are nothing alike. But senility comes to everyone, sooner or later. ;)

<<Ideally, we're looking for somebody who knows HTML, is a good writer, writes stories well enough to be qualified as an editor, happens to be an excellent artist, and is willing to help out the process of writing outlines for stories.>>
*L* All of those? You might have to merge several people to form a superbeing.
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lain> <<you should really stop wasting your breath, you know.>>
Yes. It's gone from being annoying to being grimly amusing, though.
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Gside> <<No, not really, but what's wrong about complaining about an impossible situation?>>
I'm just saying.

<<That's quite a high upper limit.>>
Hey, you're right. Maybe I _want_ to destroy the universe... Nah, I'd rather eat cheese. But I could. If I wanted to.
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Vinnie> <<Hey, everyone has their pet peeves one of mine happens to be timetravel.>>
I care. Really.

<<However it is a pity that Martians always attack from behind. If they used a frontal assualt Mars could have successfully attacked Mr. Carter Mark X. The forward shielding comes down for a brief amount of time so the cream pie can pass through. If a Martian were quick enough they could have gotten through, especially if they were cloaked, but no one tried a frontal attack so it's a moot point.>>
There's a reason why you can't get a date.

<<So I covered a few people with pies, so what? I didn't kill them.>>
You bored a lot of people to death. You must be punished.
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Thomas> <>
It's nice to know that you think I'm that easy to piss off.

<<And calling a woman "he" is really rude.>>
We've already moved on, thank you. And I'm not a damsel in distress, so knock it off.
Bud-Clare
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 08:58:53 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Vinnie> I don't know how to break this to you, but right now, you're just pissing Bud-Clare off. I don't think you're going to accomplish anything right now, so calm down for a bit and look at how you're responding.

We allhave thinsg we feel strongly about. Mine regards archaelogical artifacts and preserving them, even at the cost of others. It would be wrong of me to attack people over it, and you may wish to think about that as well.

And calling a woman "he" is really rude.

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Cam Humphries, Korea
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 08:44:54 AM
IP: 218.145.25.80

Bud-Clare:<You think that logic and physics ought to apply to my timetravel but not to your ridiculous pie gun.> Hey, everyone has their pet peeves one of mine happens to be timetravel.<What planet are you living on? Seriously?> Earth obviouly you don't!<Regardless...what the &$*@ does Star Trek have to do with anything?> I took the idea for Temporal Shields from Star Trek.< And it's "loss", not "lose".> It's just a typo, nothing to get upset about. However it is a pity that Martians always attack from behind. If they used a frontal assualt Mars could have successfully attacked Mr. Carter Mark X. The forward shielding comes down for a brief amount of time so the cream pie can pass through. If a Martian were quick enough they could have gotten through, especially if they were cloaked, but no one tried a frontal attack so it's a moot point.

Gside:<That's quite a high upper limit.> But time itself can't be altered.<But still the rules of time travel in any fictional universe can be anything the author sets them to, as you did blanketly in your current favor. Any articles on time travel would only reflect the author's preference, unless it's about the twin paradox.> More importantly if you want to write a timetravel story that appeals to the masses you need the story to be believable.

DPH:<If you want to harm somebody's character, you should get permission first. Most people don't mind giving permission to harm their character as long as they get to harm yours in return. I didn't want my character harmed so I decided upfront to stick to a defensive strategy and only directly attack after my character was attacked.> So I covered a few people with pies, so what? I didn't kill them.<You should give up the cause. Green Baron let himself be captured.> You're right about that part besides I just finished burying Olympus Mons in cream pies. That means all the Monuments and cities of Mars are now buried in cream. So I send Mr. Carter Mark X away from the planet and begin sculpting the cream in Green Baron's image, sort of a final tribute to him.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 04:08:26 AM
IP: 216.234.99.226

Bud Clare - <Please tell me you're color blind.> I was sleepy when I typed that up, and colors seemed to blur. My apologies.

Vinnie - <Excuse me! I have been sitting in Mr. Cartter Mark X waiting for you guys to come up with a decent plan of attack, but I guess it's to much to expect decent one from someone with so little imagination.> 1st. So little imagination, huh? Obviously, you never bothered to read the BFTS RP archive - click my link. 2nd. I was very carefull with my actions because I knew the rules of rp. If you want to harm somebody's character, you should get permission first. Most people don't mind giving permission to harm their character as long as they get to harm yours in return. I didn't want my character harmed so I decided upfront to stick to a defensive strategy and only directly attack after my character was attacked. <And I said that I could break him out if he wanted me to, but since he hasn't asked.....> You should give up the cause. Green Baron let himself be captured.

Gside - Ok, let me get this clear. Only having 3 people on staff who know HTML is sufficient? <I'm allegedly in charge of automating it> You are. Automating the website does not solve the problem of getting stories converted into HTML. A couple of more hands would be nice, plus there's this thing called updating the existing information.

Lain - <well, some people to help me update the secure site would be nice> Last time I checked, I was helping you with that process. Yes, we do need more people to help out with that, plus that always brings in extra sets of eyes to look over stories and extra mouths to offer comments on stories. Ideally, we're looking for somebody who knows HTML, is a good writer, writes stories well enough to be qualified as an editor, happens to be an excellent artist, and is willing to help out the process of writing outlines for stories.

Graymonk - <The sword can defeat a full gargoyle
clan, the minions, a pack of vampyres, magic ravens, Lucius, Arthur's knights, and Isfet simultaneously?> As I understand it, it would be extremely difficult to find a situation that the sword couldn't handle.

DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 02:07:58 AM
IP: 204.94.193.21

gside>> <<What for? You've already got a prototype backend format redesign, I'm allegedly in charge of automating it, and I doubt we need more people to convert .rtf files to .htm.>> well, some people to help me update the secure site would be nice :P:P *beats head on desk*

graymonk>> <<IS THE SWORD REALLY THAT TOUGH?>> yes.
<<So when do we get to meet this formidible force?>> later... ;) (though in all honesty, probably MUCH later)

ed>> <<Oh, come on. If Chase was Jack, the writers would let him get away with that kind of daftness and you�d be cheering him on>> yeah, but thats because jack is all tortured and sexy ;)
<> small gun, too - low capacity. probably not much weight difference between a loaded and unloaded one, which means jack didnt know and really would have killed chase... which is MUCH more fun.

bud-clare>> <<And it's "loss", not "lose">> you should really stop wasting your breath, you know.
lain
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 01:02:58 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Vinnie> <<the most he could do with timetravel is destroy the universe>>: That's quite a high upper limit.
<<As I said... if his timetravel device is anything like the Phoenix Gate... For more information on timetravel articles follow this link>>: But still the rules of time travel in any fictional universe can be anything the author sets them to, as you did blanketly in your current favor. Any articles on time travel would only reflect the author's preference, unless it's about the twin paradox.

Bud Clare> <<Are you in a position to complain?>>: No, not really, but what's wrong about complaining about an impossible situation?

Lain> <<plus we need people proficient in html coding/editing and whatnot>>: What for? You've already got a prototype backend format redesign, I'm allegedly in charge of automating it, and I doubt we need more people to convert .rtf files to .htm.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:28:08 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Vinnie> <>
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I wouldn't get anywhere near your mouth if I were paid. You think that logic and physics ought to apply to my timetravel but not to your ridiculous pie gun. Therefore, it was a reasonable conclusion that you believe that rules only apply to everyone else.

<<But I was talking to someone else at the time not you.>>
NO, you WEREN'T. Hence my point. You didn't put DPH's name ANYWHERE in the post, even though the responses were meant for him. It was sloppy and annoying.

<<Obviously you don't watch any Star Trek, your lose.>>
What planet are you living on? Seriously?

You claimed that I had "delayed in activating my timetravel device", which, were you profficient with the english language, you would know was not the case. Go back and read it again if you don't believe me.

Regardless...what the &$*@ does Star Trek have to do with anything?

And it's "loss", not "lose".
Bud-Clare
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:10:44 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Hee! Ed I enjoyed reading your LOTR review.

Granted my blood sugar was kind of low but my after movie comments went something like: "Huh, you can have too many battle scenes in a movie about war. It was very prettily shot though." (bone to my husband who liked the movie). I think the biggest bit of suspense was wondering when Sam was finally going to kiss Frodo. (Okay, I'm twelve, but honestly, I think they overplayed the dedicated servent thing just a tad.)"

Supposedly, the directors cut while making the movie even longer will improve it vastly.

I did like the preview for the next installment of Harry Potter. And surprisingly, the Butterfly Effect looks downright interesting despite starring Ashton Kutcher who must have the busiest agent in Hollywood right now.

It's late, I'm tired. Don't forget it's not too late to buy your favorite person a Gathering of the Gargoyles membership!

http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com
kathy
Monday, December 22, 2003 11:02:50 PM
IP: 66.82.197.68

Graymonk: Thanks for the wonderful reviews, I really enjoyed reading them. I agree with your assessments of the �Pendragon� series by the way. I enjoyed Season One but it never seemed to quite work. One of the things that I recently noticed is that the flashbacks were often not so much dramatised as retold; so you�d get narration discussing the fate of Gawain and company, but you wouldn�t really get so much of a flavour of it. Then, the series swung to quest episodes but I don�t think any of these early episodes really quite clicked for me. In Season Two, �Pendragon� was absorbed into �Gargoyles� and the latter came off much better. But Season Three was terrific � the elements of suspense and espionage, the big twists, the addition of Mary and development of Merlin. It was also packed with great individual episodes. And Season Four, of course, was just a huge amount of fun from my point of view, working with Todd, Nicodemus and Mandi.

Todd: (London Clan) Well, it ought to be said that one of the things I�d have liked to try was bringing many of the London clan into the series by virtue of relating them to Camelot � either as squires, or consultants, or knights or suchlike.
(Bad Guys) Actually, I thought some of those more obvious loose ends were left over for other series, such (but not exclusively) �Bad Guys�. Of course, there�s always a bit of cross-series teasing. I assume this was the intention of the Nicholas II nightmare in �Pendragon� Season Three.

Rev. Attila: I suspect �The Mirror� is the more terrible threat.

TheTrok: Thanks for the information, it was quite fascinating. Since I�m not on the staff any more, I can�t comment on your offer, but I think it would be great to have someone with experience of another region. I particularly feel for your sense of slight annoyance at the misrepresentation of Spain (I felt much the same about some of the more bizarre misconceptions about the UK in �Pendragon� before I came on board).

Zetsuei: Well, you trace the symbols on the screen from left to right until you reach the end of the line. Each symbol represents a sound, and collections of symbols separated by a space tend to indicate things we call �words�. Hope this helps. :P

Lain: Oh, come on. If Chase was Jack, the writers would let him get away with that kind of daftness and you�d be cheering him on. I do think the �24� writers are becoming a bit lax with their explanations of how the heroes don�t die. I don�t mind them doing it, but time was, it took a carefully placed flak jacket to explain away a survival. Now it�s a case of �oh, that bullet missed any major arteries�. Still, I�m happy it turned out as it did. I thought the bullet-less gun was neat though, since it showed Ramon being smart.

Greg: So Tolkienites do dislike the films, after all! My shameless admission? I enjoyed �A Beautiful Mind�. Well, no, that�s not quite true. I enjoyed Jennifer Connelly�s part, because she�s gorgeous.

***RETURN OF THE KING REVIEW***

C�mon, you didn�t think I�d let this one pass without a last rant, did you? ;) I went into this with low expectations, and it was just as well, but I do still find the choices made extremely frustrating. This series of films could have been so damn good.

I thought it was good fun, although as I ought to have guessed, the bits that seemed the most straight-forward to adapt were the worst handled. Shelob was unimpressive and the peek-a-boo game was eye-rolling. Worse, it was all prefaced by a badly thought out section with Gollum driving a wedge between Frodo and Sam. Inventing new stuff to add in is a director�s prerogative, but he could at least have the courtesy to think this stuff through to its logical conclusion rather than have it as a doorstop for dramatic tension for a few minutes before we get Sam changing his mind. (And Sam is inexplicably now capable of fending off orcs and spiders with ease, even when half-starved). I really don�t understand why you�d adapt something to make it LONGER and more convoluted. I�m not saying that he should have stuck to the book for the sake of sticking to the book; I think he should have stuck to the book because it made a better film.

The Lord of the Nazgul seemed to be usurped in screentime by a daft-looking orc with one eye and a bad complexion � not sure what that was about, since he vanished after his fifty-third one-line appearance. The Jurassic Park reject steed got beheaded in one go, and the Lord of the Nazgul went for a classic flawed plan: having an impressive-looking but seriously inappropriate weapon, which left him open to defeat. If that�s the best Sauron�s got, he ought to have gone into door-to-door sales. Doors stay still when you try to bash them. It didn�t really help that any scene that threatened to build up a head of steam was instantly cut away from so that by the time you got back to �oh, look, the Lord of the Nazgul is strangling Eowyn� you had been completely removed from the excitement, such as it was. And because none of the characters were developed past a rough sketch, it was difficult to much care about whether they lived or died.

The film also gave us Denethor�s bungee jump of fire (bungee cord not included), the murder of elephants (or oliphaunts � which apparently are evil), and Cate Blanchett being even more irritating than usual. I changed my mind about her. I thought it was bad directing and bad casting, but it�s also terrible acting. I know she *can* act, but she clearly has no idea what on earth to do with herself here, and nor do the scriptwriters. They�d have been better off all round having Arwen at Lorien in place of the Galadriel character, since they also had to stretch to make Arwen remotely important. Two birds, one stone. And I was cringing at the score. I didn�t like the music to the first two films, but this was torturous. Every time a scene came on the screen that looked like it had potential, it was wrecked by some godawful decision on the part of the composer, robbing dramatic scenes of their intensity, making climactic moments seem trite with the repetitive main theme, and making touching moments seem old hat by using that dreadful �Shire� theme. By the time we got to Frodo in the tower I was wincing. What were they thinking? Were they thinking? Perhaps it was created with the intent of torturing prisoners of war, but let�s face it, it�s probably outlawed under the Geneva Convention.

There were some good parts. Frodo and Sam�s dash from the mountain was the best sequence in the whole series of films, probably, since it actually had pace and drama and ended with a rather well-performed and presented scene with the two of them. I�d rather have had the only sound be the erupting volcano, but you can�t have everything. I was glad to see Smeagol and Deagol. Most of the battle was impressive, although it never seemed to reach any particular climax. It particularly amused me how civilised the marauding orcs were, forming a neat circle around the painfully stupid diversion group. Battle Tip #1: allowing your enemies to surround you so they can kill you quicker is not a good stalling tactic!

The plot seemed lax and meandering, with no particular point of climax sticking out in my mind until the Ring. (And the idea to make the Ring�s destruction time with Frodo�s choice to live or die, as if reacting to the Ringbearer? Lame.) It didn�t help that they decided to set the whole battle in daylight, which didn�t seem appropriate. That said, I think it�s great how well-lit all these �darkest places of the earth� are. I wish I could get that kind of light into my room at uni. But what a chance to be creative. These films are released in cinemas, so if you don�t put any light on screen, you don�t get any light in the cinema. What more effective a tool is there for ramping up drama than denying the audience the chance to see? In a surround sound cinema, the Shelob and Paths of the Dead scenes could have been as creepy as hell.

Okay, I�m actually struggling to come up with specific things I enjoyed, but the film was generally enjoyable for the spectacle. At several points I felt like I was in a theme park ride of sorts, and as theme park rides go, it�s a rather good one. But that only puts it a notch above �The Phantom Menace� and two notches above �Independence Day� and �Attack of the Clones�. Pardon me, sir, but I wanted more.

Oh well, I guess before there was a splendid book and a brilliant radio adaptation, and now there�s a splendid book, a brilliant radio adaptation and a trilogy of average films. Can�t complain too much.

***END REVIEW***
Ed
London, England
Monday, December 22, 2003 09:41:18 PM
IP: 213.187.39.59

GRAYMONK - Thanks for your review of "Carbonek Part Three" and your overall review of "Pendragon". I'm a bit sorry that it's over now myself, but at least we ended it on a bang.

You make a good point (and one that I'd noticed long ago) about the Gryphon Knights. They were always something of a headache for us. The basic problem was this: Isfet's feud with the Gryphon Knights had almost no connections whatsoever with the regulars in "Pendragon". The person who came up with the idea (who later on himself admitted that he hadn't thought it through all that carefully) had come up with it as a matter of a purely private feud between Isfet and the Gryphon Knights that only took part in "Pendragon" in the sense that Isfet needed to get to Carbonek to find the Gryphon Knights and needed Arthur to lead her there, but once she got to Carbonek she'd be quietly slipping in, dealing with the Gryphon Knights, then slipping out again without interacting with Arthur and his companions.

Then we realized that this would be too much of a distraction if Isfet's feud didn't involve the regulars, but at the same time, the nature of it (an ancient feud that went back to the Dragon War, millennia before the regulars were born) made it difficult to involve them in any way other than the "plot-device to step in and save the day" with all the actual drama and character development going to Isfet and the Gryphon Knights, a concept better suited to, say, "Batman: TAS" than to a "Gargoyles" spinoff. Add onto that that we already had antagonists who were much closer to Arthur involved in the finale (such as Morgana and Duval) whose connections with Arthur needed some resolving, and there was no way that we could satisfactorily handle Isfet's feud without it upstaging the real story. But we only came to that realization after the arc had been introduced in Season Three with "The Reluctant Thief", and so we were stuck with it. All that I can say is that we've learned from it that story arcs work best when they're really connected to the major characters.

Since I'm leaving the staff, I don't know whether or how TGS will handle a proper resolution to Isfet and her feud with the Gryphon Knights. I'd recommend that it be done in either "Timedancer" (a story set in the near future) or a Brooklyn-focused episode of "Gargoyles", since Brooklyn strikes me as the far more appropriate person to oppose Isfet (he has the connections to her; Arthur and his friends don't).

Incidentally, now that the series is over, I can reveal this: a lot of you have probably guessed it by now, but Balinos the Mad is really the TGS version of Sir Balin from the Arthurian cycle, the knight who struck the Dolorous Blow and maimed the Fisher King. We deliberately disguised him in an Atlantean setting, partly to hide the fact that he was our version of Sir Balin and thus keep our readers from figuring out what had *really* happened to Avallach, partly because Avallach's "death" was taking place long before Arthur's time period anyway. (Though the bit in "The Godslayer Part Two" where we mentioned that he wound up killing and being killed by his own brother probably gave that away.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, December 22, 2003 06:47:42 PM
IP: 63.186.0.220

graymonk>> whew! what a review!
<<Personally, I always figured TGS didn't take indpendent applications but preferred to gain new members through the membership drives>> well, this is partly true. for a long time, i think most of tgs' staff came through recruitment drives, with people coming on board in big batches. individual recruitment was rare, but still happened occasionally. now, well, we all know that tgs is getting a little... uh... "thinly stretched" and weve changed our recruitment policy a bit to reflect that. we will still be having drives, but will accept recruitment however we can get it - be that through private application outside of "drives"... or by actively seeking individuals we feel could fulfill certain roles (gside being an example of this). the latter is more rare however, mostly because i dont really feel comfortable harassing people ;)
<<What sort of information should you provide in an application? I remember the DARK AGES membership drive asked for samples of an applicant's writing>> yeah, attached samples, or links to writing would be good. the writing does not necessarily need to be gargoyles-related, however if it is not, you would need to somehow demonstrate your understanding of the tgs universe by, say, posting in the CR about the stories or something like that.
<<What sort of positions are open at TGS?>> most positions are open at TGS. we have a more urgent need for writers than editors, and a more urgent need for editors than for artists. there is an awful lot of oranizational, nitpicky grunt-work that needs to be done as well - plus we need people proficient in html coding/editing and whatnot... and a bunch of other jobs i cant think of right now. basically, if youve got the skillz and know what youre talking about, we could probably use you SOMEwhere ;)
<<With PENDRAGON gone I'm mostly interested in joining the edits staff (you mentioned it has been undermanned)>> apply away!
lain - [tgs_info@yahoo.com]
Monday, December 22, 2003 01:47:02 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Bud-Clare:<A) If you refer to me as "he" ever again, you will die most painfully.> Sorry, I was using the term in the generic sense.<B) It'll be a cold day in hell before _you_ are in a position to lecture me on the subject of time travel.> Well obviously you are doomed to dstroy the universe with your time travel device. I on the other hand don't intend to be killed by the likes of you. Timetravel is to dangerous to mess with!<C) It's funny how you think that physics only apply to everyone else.> I never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth!<D) Kindly address the correct person in the future, as most of what you just directed at me should actually have been addressed to DPH.> But I was talking to someone else at the time not you.<I'm sorry? Is English not your first language?> Obviously you don't watch any Star Trek, your lose.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, December 22, 2003 01:46:14 PM
IP: 216.234.99.28

Just to mix things up let's go with Iago today.

******WARNING! SPOILERS FOR "CARBBONEK PART 3" AND PENDRAGON IN GENRAL!*******

THE GOOD: -As several people have mentioned the opening with the various guest stars feeling the pressence of Carbonek was really cool. It gave the story an even greater epic feel.

-KEVIN! Kevin got a cameo! Yay for Kevin!

-Avallach's high opinion of Merlin. I know I came down hard on old Emrys earlier in the season, but its nice to know someone outside of the knights thinks highly of him

-Avallach's reasons for staying out of the first UW. They were fairly sound and reasonable. Oberon had enough to deal with without assassination attempts on his injured father.

-Lucuis's middle name is Tiberius?

*laugh break*

-Merlin admitting his crimes against Morgana. He really has grown over the course of this season. At the end of season 3 he seemed fairly remorseless. Now, he's not only tried to make peace with Morgana, but he stands before one of the two members of his family who think he's a good person and tells him he's wrong.

-Which is immediately followed by a fairly acceptable counter argument. I'm glad Avallach didn't try to make excuses of Merlin, but rather pointed out that he'd atoned and payed for his crimes. I will confess I never gave much thought to Morgana's sisters but the fact that they never tried to take vengeance on Merlin certainly strenghtened Avallach's case.

-Seeing Uther's death. I always wondered what happened to him.

-Merlin's uncertainty about his visions. This caught my eye. We've always been told about Merlin's visions but with the exception of "Ripper" we've only seen them in flashbacks and a DARK AGES story. I wonder where they come from. Could it be the same source as Leanord Camford's?

-Morgana took down Macbeth? Wow. That's fairly impressive.

-Leba's confrontation with Sarah. In my notes for this review I remarked that this was a promising new character who could act as teh voice of the vampyre community. Guess that's not going to happen but it was still a nice scene. And if Leba had been friends with that male vampyre Molly ran over she's got one more reason to hate the Banshee's guts.

-The Cuchulain/Sybil fight. It was nice to see Cuchulain back in action again. I guess Rory's got more control over it now. The fight itself was rolicking good fun. The Wizard of Oz reference in the prelude, Gae Bolga shattering a spell, snakes against an Irish hero. Oh, it was a grand time

-Briana vs. Isfet. I'll talk about the missing Gryphon knights in THE BAD but given their connections to Jane Nelson I rather enjoyed seeing these two square off.

-The Duval/Singleton fight and the Powell/Griff fight. These made for some intruiging comparissons between the two rogue Illuminati. Singleton is a master manipulator but his battle tactics suck. I mean a sword? Why would he a bring a sword? Powell's chivalry obsession excuses him, there's a precedent in "The Watching Eye". But a Machiavellian schemer like Singleton should know better. If he brought another gun Duval might be dead right, or at least hurt enough for Singleton to get away.

Powell on ther ohter hand couldn't hide his ambition if he tried, but he's a damn clever fighter. Challenging Griff to a duel was a brilliant move. Knowing Griff's fondness for chivalric behavior he can rest assured the gargoyle will accept. This takes Griff out the fight, leaving the rest of the Illuminati troops with one less garg to deal with. it also forces Griff to fight on Powell's terms, in a form of battle where his gargoyle abilities will be of little use to him. And the outcome made for an interesting conclusion to Griff's arc. He's indebted to the honour of a man who is little more than a glorified mobster. That's really got to knaw on him.

-The picture of Arthur fighting Morgana as a dragon. It was breath taking. Highest compliments to the artist!

-Arthur Pendragon vs. a dragon. Another interesting parallel to Arthur's past, in this case the stone dragon in "Pendragon." Very clever Todd.

-Arthur using the Grail auto defense system glimpsed in "Choices part 1." Quite unexpected, and damned inventive use of a hoary old cliche of a mmystic object's inpenetrable magic forcefield.

-Duval's final scene with Singleton. Ironically we've seen Duval at his most heroic in this story. He put himself and his position on the line to help Merlin and Arthur. Yet he ends off the series employing the same dirty tactics Powell or Singleton might use.

THE BAD: - Avallach's reason for not drinking from the Grail. He felt his time had passed? I'm sorry but this feels like an incredible cop out. If he felt it was time for him to die why did he linger on for nearly two millenia? Why not commit suicide? I have a hard time believing that a man who more or less abandoned his wife, children and grandchildren is qualified to protect the Holy Grail.

-The gryphon knights MIA. This was the most disappointing aspect of "Carbonek." After the build up in "Godslayer" I expected Isfet to play a major role in the finale. Instead she only appeared to be there to give Briana someone to fight. The gryphon knights came off as little more than a plot device to shoe horn Isfet into the story. We learned nothing about them or why Isfet was so angry at them.

-Why doesn't Lucius believe in a higher power anymore? The scene where Dulci convinced several Minions to quit was well-written but it didn't do anything that might shake Lucius's beliefs. If anything I would have expected the defection of his human followers to strengthen his belief that humans are incapable of making ratiional choices.

-Why didn't Mary drink from the Grail too?
THE MISC: - IS THE SWORD REALLY THAT TOUGH? <<"I knew that we should have used the Sword," muttered an Illuminatus in the background. "We wouldn't be experiencing this trouble if we had.">> The sword can defeat a full gargoyle clan, the minions, a pack of vampyres, magic ravens, Lucius, Arthur's knights, and Isfet simultaneously?(sp?) That's a fairly lofty claim. So when do we get to meet this formidible force?

-DULCI AND LEBA: <<"I still don't think that you needed to be that cautious in handling that dullahan," Dulcinea was saying to Rory. He had been telling her about some adventure that he had had in Ireland a couple of months earlier; Aidan was listening eagerly on the other side. "If I'd been there, I'd have just rushed in.">> I guess for all their differences Dulci and Leba aren't all that different. Poor Rory, no matter where he goes he seems to play straight man to a rash adventurer.

-LUCIUS'S FINAL SCENE: Wait, there were innocent people in that building Lucius blew up? Yikes.

THE WRAP UP: An excellent capper to the best season of PENDRAGON ever. Lucius's change of heart seemed to come out of no where and the build up in "Godslayer" appears to have been for nothign, but other than thatit was terrific, The Kevin appearance bumps it up from a 9 to a 9.5 magic dragon statues out of 10.

A WORD ABOUT PENDRAGON SEASON 4: I'm sorry to see PENDRAGON go, but if it does have to end I'm glad it went out on this season. For years PENDRAGON has been my favorite TGS series partly because of the writing but mostly because of the potential. PENDRAGON has always had the potential to be a great series. It had characters whose histories were virtual goldmines of character development and ethical questions. It had the backdrop of the matter of Britian to draw upon. A promising cast of villains who just needed a little work to match the Rogues galleries of GARGOYLES and TIMEDANCER. A group of interesting supporting characters. But in the past all these elements failed to come together in a way that allowed the series to be all it could be. Season 1 showed a lot of potential but was marred by a tension between the early flashback heavy episodes and the latter quest episodes.

Season 2 Provided Arthur with a stable supporting cast and introduced some new faces to his rogues gallery but the merger with GARGOYLES seemed to overwhelm PENDRAGON. The Lion's share of Season 2 epiodes were about Clan Manhattan. The neo-knights were introduced but aside from Rory's relationship with Molly and Prometheus very little time was spent developing them. The PENDRAGON stories themselves were very high in quality but the editing seemed diorganised. How Lucius or Montrose came into contact with the Unseellie and why they would serve people who wanted to enslave them was never clearly spelled out. This was the season PENDRAGON became my faovrite series but it still felt a little half-formed.

Things started to come together in Season 3. Mary Sefton was introduced, bringing a refreshing new perspective to Arthur's advemtures. Morgana (unseen since Season 1)returned with a chilling plot to destory the legend of King Arthur. Duval was revealed. The Elaine/Arthur/Jeniffer triangle was dealt with. Rory and Briana got episodes of their own, while Dulci was introduced to a potential romantic interest and Leba found a new mission in trying to help the vampyres. However, this only underscored the problem of PENDRAGON's main cast. The knights, who I considered major characters, seemed to be neglected, despite the progress I mentioned above, in favor of Arthur, Merlin, Mary and perhaps most puzzling of all the London Clan. Now I'm all for having an interest in supporting characters, goodness knows I'm a Kevin fan. However an entire two parter seemed to focus mainly on the London clan with Arthur and the knights mainly in the background. Griff, whom one would assume would play a major part in any two parter featuring the clan, had only a minor involvement. Between that two parter and "My Angel Briana" Griff's mate seemed to get more attention than him. I'm not complaining about the quality of these stories, they were among the best eps of S3. But they point out the fact that no one seemed sure who PENDRAGON was supposed to be about.

Then came Season 4. I know Ed and Todd worked hard on this season and it was worth it. The main cast of the series was clearly defined and tied together by the theme of trying to adjust to a new world. At the same time the neo-knights became more important as they formed the core of Arthur's new global network. S4 seemed to combine the flashbacks and quest format of Season 1, the myth and magic heavy feel of Season 2, and the prominent supporting cast of Season 3. It also added issues of personal responsibility and morality to the mix. It was a very good year to be bad. Morgana, Duval, the Illuminati, Herne, Montrose and Sybil were all upgraded, revamped or enhanced in some way to make them interesting a nd challenging characters. Even Lucius took on a more ominous tone at the end of "Carbonek part 3." Plotlines, like Lenord Camford's visons, that seemed to languish in the background in past seasons came back and were adressed. PENDRAGON has found it legs. It now has its own voice. It has a coherent set of themes about ethics, forgiveness, responsibility, and trying to find a place for yourself in the world. Its potential has finally been acheived.

PENDRAGON Season 4: 12 kick ass writing teams named Todd and Ed out of 10

*******END SPOILERS FOR PENDRAGON*******

Ed - <<It occurs to me that while TGS has frequently recruitment drives, the case for people volunteering is very seldom made.>> Personally, I always figured TGS didn't take indpendent applications but preferred to gain new members through the membership drives. <<Go apply! :)>> What sort of information should you provide in an application? I remember the DARK AGES membership drive asked for samples of an applicant's writing. What sort of positions are open at TGS? With PENDRAGON gone I'm mostly interested in joining the edits staff (you mentioned it has been undermanned). I figure I might have some useful experience from writing my reviews, The frequent spellings in my hurridly written posts notwithstanding.

Phew! It's 12:30 already? I've been writing this post for a grand total of ... let's see here, carry the two ... five hours! Yipes, I'd better get washed up, we're going to see LOTR:ROTK in just a little bit.
Graymonk
Monday, December 22, 2003 11:32:11 AM
IP: 156.34.238.251

Fire Storm> <<and besides being bored as h311, I don't feel like doing jack $h!7.>>
Please don't use l33t, it chafes me so.

<<Aren't paradoxs fun?>>
You would certainly expect so, wouldn't you? But apparently not.
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Gside> <<Isn't she starting to show her age now?>>
Are you in a position to complain?

<<It might've helped if you gave him the method you used.>>
I doubt it.
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DPH> <<Sorry about that, the colors looked the same.>>
Please tell me you're color blind.
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Vinnie> <<Hey, I can't help it if you have no imagination.>>
...I have no imagination?

<<but I guess it's to much to expect decent one from someone with so little imagination.>>
Pie?

<<As I said, the most he could do with timetravel is destroy the universe.>>
A) If you refer to me as "he" ever again, you will die most painfully. B) It'll be a cold day in hell before _you_ are in a position to lecture me on the subject of time travel.
C) It's funny how you think that physics only apply to everyone else.
D) Kindly address the correct person in the future, as most of what you just directed at me should actually have been addressed to DPH.

<<Besides your delay at implementing you timetravel device>>
I'm sorry? Is English not your first language?
Bud-Clare
Monday, December 22, 2003 04:53:31 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Bud-Clare: Besides your delay at implementing you timetravel device has provided me with enough time to add a Temporal Shield to Mr. Carter Mark X's already formidable shielding. So now I am protected against Temporal Inversion, even if by some miracle you succeed in alter the past and destroying the universe I'll survive inside my shields. After the timequakes have destroyed you and your allies I'll emerge and declare victory.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, December 22, 2003 03:01:22 AM
IP: 216.234.99.211

Bud-Clare:<Sorry, that was neither clever nor entertaining. *fires up the Chainsaw of Natural Selection*> Hey, I can't help it if you have no imagination.<Vinnie, I'm going to make this pretty clear: If you can dish out punishment, you have to able to take to it. If you can't take the punishment, don't dish it out. It is not fun for the other side if you can't be damaged.> Excuse me! I have been sitting in Mr. Cartter Mark X waiting for you guys to come up with a decent plan of attack, but I guess it's to much to expect decent one from someone with so little imagination.<Green Baron willingly surrendered. if you didn't notice by looking at IP addresses, Attila and Green Baron are the same people. Since Green Baron and I have surrendered, it's you vs everybody else.> And I said that I could break him out if he wanted me to, but since he hasn't asked.....

Gside:<It might've helped if you gave him the method you used. Did you seduce his father? Slip his mother the pill? Seduce his mother?> As I said, the most he could do with timetravel is destroy the universe. At the very least he would create an alternate reality (and if his timetravel device is anything like the Phoenix Gate, he would only end up returning to our reality). Or he could always get himself trapped in a timeloop, that's always a major danger when you mess with time. But I like the reason that he simply forgot what he was doing because he could no longer remember why. For more information on timetravel articles follow this link. http://www.baen.com/bar/

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, December 22, 2003 02:24:21 AM
IP: 216.234.99.211

Fire Storm> <>: I thought you got rid of the clowns.
<<maybe we can even get you Cher!>>: Isn't she starting to show her age now?
<<A porn medley? Sounds like vegetable medley only with porn and not as good>>: It can most definitely be better, depending on the editing and the vegetables.
<<Just because you warned me doesn't excuse the fact that it was said>>: No, I guess not. But I had to share my own pain from whence it sprang forth in my brain.
<>: Thank you for that anyway.
<>: How large are they really? I mean they have us, but are we really that large comparatively?
<<Isn't making people go insane just about the funnest past time imaginable?>>: Depends on if we can also make them give us all their money.
<<You get used to smells>>: I mean I live in Jersey, and it smells fine to me.

Bud Clare> <<If he's even halfway clever, he'll be able to find an entertaining way out of this>>: It might've helped if you gave him the method you used. Did you seduce his father? Slip his mother the pill? Seduce his mother?

Fire Storm> <>: Just keep reminding yourself it's paying for your wedding. Then after the wedding you can actually start buying toys again.

Graymonk> <<my Dad like to go to 8am mass>>: I am very glad my father is a saturday evening person.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, December 22, 2003 12:27:57 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

I have the Green Baron. He is my prisoner and I am subjecting him to anal probes and making him do calisthebics. Wy am I doing this? Because I'm evil and to punish him for never buying me cavair when I was alive.

Mwa hahahaha!!!!
ghost of Reverend Attila
Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:32:08 PM
IP: 220.73.165.75

Heya. I need some help. I just came back from Ohio (where I go to college) for christmas vacation. My flight left Columbus airport at 7:10 and arrived in Cincinnati at 8:10. From there I would take a flight at 9:10 to Burlington, Vermont and drive on home.

While I was waiting in the C Concourse wing of Cincinnati Airport I saw this guy and I didn't have the courage to speak to him, but the mere fact that I found a Gargoyle fanatic amazed me.

He was a guy in his 40's or around there. He wore an awesome Brooklyn shirt that looked airbrushed to me. He had a red cap (i think it was red) with the word "Brooklyn" on it. He also wore a jacket with a Brooklyn patch on it, as well as a round patch with a shilouette of a wolf head, and some other patches. Although he was wearing a long sleeved jacket I saw that his arm had tatoos on it, as well as the back of his neck. He wore glasses.

Is this anyone, anyone would know? He was a huge fanatic.

Sarge
SargeAbernathy - [vander_md@denison.edu]
Barre, VT, USA
Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:22:51 PM
IP: 205.188.209.40

GRAYMONK - Thanks for your review of Part Two. I'm looking forward to your review of Part Three (hopefully tomorrow).

I don't know if there'll be any guest appearances by Arthur and Co. in "Bad Guys" (especially since I'm leaving TGS), but I doubt it. While I'm not on the "Bad Guys" staff, I understand that its tone is going to be extremely different from "Pendragon", much darker, grittier, less idealistic. (Not too surprising, given the nature of its protagonists in contrast to those of "Pendragon"; Arthur and his friends are knights - essentially - aiming for a better world of their own volition, while the Redemption Squad are unwilling henchmen for the Director.) But I don't have the final say on this one, so it's possible that there will be some crossover. We'll just have to see.

Although I find myself wondering what would happen should Mary Sefton and Robyn Canmore meet. Other than their both being strong female characters, they don't have much in common (they're certainly on opposite sides of the gargoyle issue - well, I don't know how Robyn feels about them now and whether she's changed her mind about them since "Hunter's Moon"). I certainly can't imagine Mary blowing up a police station.

(Oddly enough, somebody did write an independent Gargoyles fanfic once in which Arthur had to team up with Robyn Canmore - but was reluctant in doing so because of her gender.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, December 21, 2003 06:57:39 PM
IP: 63.186.1.15

Ok so I screwed up, I'm writing this on Sunday not Saturday like I said.

*****WARNING SPOILERS FOR "CARBONEK PART 2"*****

"Carbonek part 2"

THE GOOD: -Everyone's reaction to Tanaburs's terms. The outcome of the sacrafice was already known to us readers and I was fairly certian it was just another test so I wasn't concerned too much about what would happen. I was more interested in what everyone thought of the sacrifice. For the most part the conversations that ensued were quite enjoyable. Some ideas I'd never even considered were brought up, like Merlin letting himself die to stop Art & Mary or the possibility that Tanaburs was an imposter.

-Nigel's sympathy for Morgana. I would have expected Nigel to go ahead with the wedding out of fear of public embarrasment. Going ahead with it because he felt sorry for her was an interesting twist. I can certianly see why the seemingly lonely Nigel would want to help Morgana, and for the first time, why Morgana would have fallen in love with him in the first place. Misery loves company and all that.

-The clarification of Mary's family's connection to Demona. While it still left a lot of loose ends to be adressed (by TIMEDANCER or BAD GUYS I'm assuming) it was good to get the relationship cleared up, especially since this is the last season. With this and Duval's true identity I'm starting to drool at the thought of a PENDRAGON/BAD GUYS crossover some day.

-Arthur's theory that he had to kill Mary as pennance for May Day. It was a delightfully nasty idea, and might even have convinced me that the sacrifice was for real if we hadn't met Merlin and Mary's kids.

-Griff's speech. It was powerful. It was emotional. It had been coming for years. And I never sawit coming until Griff said "The more things change the more they stay the same." Michael's concerns about showing Jennifer the estate. The Worry Wart cartoons. The police questioning Colin when Arthur was framed. The clan's assistance in fighting the Unsilee. Aper's skepticism about Arthur's true identity. Hell, the conversation over tea in "M.I.A." All these scenes and more have been subtlely leading to Griff's confrontation with the clan, and yet it was such a background element of the series I never gave much thouhgt to the growing tension between Arthur's quests and the clan's concerns. Plus it made a nice summation of the series thus far.

-The scene where Arthur decides not to kill Mary. I knew it was coming but it was staged nicely. Camelot began when Arthur pulled Excalibur from a stone. Now it begins again when Arthur puts Excalibur into the stone. Clever parallel, Todd.

-The true identity of the Fisher King, bowled me over completely. I was expecting Blanchlefleur and her husband form "Fata Morgana."

THE BAD: - Macbeth seemed to pop up out of no where. A little build up might have been appreciated. While it did evoke Macbeth's sudden appearance in "The Darkest Hour part 2" it still felt a little too convienient(sp?)

-Lucius involovement still felt tacked on. I didn't see anything in that sequence that couldn't have been acheived if the Minion ambush had been excised completely.

THE WRAP UP: Some wonderful character development and a fantastic speech from Griff. 9.5 inexplicably alive dead fairy guys out of 10

And seeing how I had to get up at 7:30 this morning (my Dad like to go to 8am mass, Boy I love being home ;)) after staying up far too late last night I think I'm going to take a nap. I promise I'll post my part 3 review and comments about PENDRAGON ending tomorrow. I'll be more punctual next time, scout's honour.

*Graymonk curls up in a corner of the cr , falls asleep and starts whispering "dyb dyb dob" in his sleep*

*****WATCH OUT! "CARBONEK PART 2" SPOILERS ABOVE!******
Graymonk
Sunday, December 21, 2003 04:35:50 PM
IP: 156.34.238.251

Dottie dog - <Hey, DPH what was that about being able to give it but not take it (injury)?> It works for both sides.

Vinnie - <Who says that I am not chomp proof? I have phase-shifting technology that renders it near impossible for me to be harmed by Martians, and if they try to attack me they will just pass right through me like I was a ghost or something. No one kicks or chomps me!> Vinnie, I'm going to make this pretty clear: If you can dish out punishment, you have to able to take to it. If you can't take the punishment, don't dish it out. It is not fun for the other side if you can't be damaged. <You can have Ted Turner, however I can get you out with my phase-shifting technology and no one will ever be able to stop you from just walking out through the walls.> Green Baron willingly surrendered. if you didn't notice by looking at IP addresses, Attila and Green Baron are the same people. Since Green Baron and I have surrendered, it's you vs everybody else.

<Bud-Clare and Dezi are two seperate people. > Sorry about that, the colors looked the same.
dph
AR, USA
Sunday, December 21, 2003 03:43:16 PM
IP: 204.94.193.30

Vinnie> <<Interesting, but do you relise that when you alter one point in time you also alter yourself as well. If you alter yourself then you wont remember you attempts to alter time, ergo it you never did anything to the timestream and everything restores itself to normal. Either that or you end up destroying the universe, I doubt your allies will enjoy that and most likely try to stop you for me.>>

Sorry, that was neither clever nor entertaining. *fires up the Chainsaw of Natural Selection*
Bud-Clare
Sunday, December 21, 2003 03:06:44 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Dottie-dog:<I'm so confused with what just happened, I can't even wag my tail. Um. Did Atilla just switch sides? Is he brainwashed? *Prepares to chomp Atilla for being weak*> I forgot to mention this. I think Green Baron's capture is a Trojan horse that will deliver a major blow to the enemy.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, December 21, 2003 02:20:19 PM
IP: 216.234.99.75

Fire Storm:<Hey mutations can be a good thing! You think I was BORN like this? Heck, when I was born I only had 2 legs, 2 arms, 1 mouth, no tail, and my blood didn't burn through deck plating! Who's to say what the mutations will do? Yeah, some will die, but the strong will live. Long live Darwinism!> Yes, but I told you this mutagen is a fat mutagen, it'll make you fat and lazy. Definitely not a good thing for the Martian people.<You get used to smells.> Well if you don't mind smelling like a sewer I guess that I will just have to find another way to torment Mars. Fortunately Martian teeth are still rotting!

Bud-Clare:<*uses a time travel device to go back in time and prevents Vinnie from ever being born, as punishment for his lame-ass pie attacks*> *swipes plans for time travel device.* Interesting, but do you relise that when you alter one point in time you also alter yourself as well. If you alter yourself then you wont remember you attempts to alter time, ergo it you never did anything to the timestream and everything restores itself to normal. Either that or you end up destroying the universe, I doubt your allies will enjoy that and most likely try to stop you for me.

Dottie-dog:<And hey Atilla, your a ghost, can you take a minute to not only chomp Vinnie but kick his ass? It'll be fun!> Oh don't worry I have something special planned for an attack by Atilla.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, December 21, 2003 02:14:45 PM
IP: 216.234.99.75

*RP (I guess)*
Vinnie:< if they try to attack me they will just pass right through me like I was a ghost or something. No one kicks or chomps me! > Hey, DPH what was that about being able to give it but not take it (injury)? And hey Atilla, your a ghost, can you take a minute to not only chomp Vinnie but kick his ass? It'll be fun!

Green Baron:I'm so confused with what just happened, I can't even wag my tail. Um. Did Atilla just switch sides? Is he brainwashed? *Prepares to chomp Atilla for being weak*
* END RP*

DPH: <And Dezi, I would prefer to rot to the core thatn to ran home and complain to somebody (my dad) that I despise most of the time. > Dezi says thats nice. Really. She also has no clue what you're talking about. Besides, its no fun to complain to people you despise. Usually the despised person picks up on being despised, and aren't very sympathetic to your complaints.

Green Baron:<One year of Dezi. I didn't realize how long it has been. > Well, _I_ think the world is now a better place. But then, she feeds me cheeseburgers!

OK, now I must take my leave of you. Dezi and I are going back to Illinois for a week. (If you can imagine how dumb the humans are in Indiana, the dogs are worse!) We will keep our eyes open for the Usurper or his clones. We will also try to check in as often as possible ('cause I just know you'll miss us!) Hasta luego! (and Merry Christmas!)
Dottie-dog
Sunday, December 21, 2003 12:01:00 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

I am working the bad evil shift for the next couple of days and besides being bored as h311, I don't feel like doing jack $h!7.

Bud-Clare: <uses a time travel device to go back in time and prevents Vinnie from ever being born>
Aren't paradoxs fun?

Fire Storm the Bored as h3!!
Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:49:18 AM
IP: 65.114.91.3

*uses a time travel device to go back in time and prevents Vinnie from ever being born, as punishment for his lame-ass pie attacks*

(I'm experimenting with Darwinian rping. If he's even halfway clever, he'll be able to find an entertaining way out of this. If not, then good riddance.)
Bud-Clare
Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:32:31 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Gside: <Excellent plan. I think I'll start with the strawberry cream>
I want some coconut cream
<But if I relax and loosen my muscles it won't hurt as much?>
Maybe. Dunno. Let's see!
<After the fact, but I still don't think it's a very conforting thought that if anything else had gone wrong, there would have been much pain.>
Yeah, but there is always pain. Especially when doing things that are quite stupid.
<How about Claudia Black? Or maybe Miranda Otto?>
We'll see. Heck, maybe we can even get you Cher!
<Probably, though I have heard of a similar thing happening to a stand up comic on his own time: watching a porn medly, then at the climax it switched to gay porn.>
A porn medley? Sounds like vegetable medley only with porn and not as good

Just because you warned me doesn't excuse the fact that it was said.
<No, I don't think even they would gaffaw at it>
Yeah, I know. I was just trying to be nice. Oh well.
<Yup, being paranoid, Wyvernweb has apparently blocked standard telnet and ftp access>
It is rather annoying. But, I guess security is a good thing. I wonder just how many people have tried to hack Wyvern Web...
<As am I, as am I>
Isn't making people go insane just about the funnest past time imaginable?

Vinnie: <Obviously the mutations have not started yet, but don't worry the mutagen in the cream pies>
Hey mutations can be a good thing! You think I was BORN like this? Heck, when I was born I only had 2 legs, 2 arms, 1 mouth, no tail, and my blood didn't burn through deck plating! Who's to say what the mutations will do? Yeah, some will die, but the strong will live. Long live Darwinism!
<And the Laxatives will make Mars stink, pretty nice for the Cream Puff Planet.>
You get used to smells.
Fire Storm
Sunday, December 21, 2003 08:57:40 AM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Bud-Clare:<But not chomp proof? DOTTIE!> Who says that I am not chomp proof? I have phase-shifting technology that renders it near impossible for me to be harmed by Martians, and if they try to attack me they will just pass right through me like I was a ghost or something. No one kicks or chomps me!

Le Baron Vert:<Ted Turner has made hi splan to seal his alliance with me against the evil cat.

While this goes on, OJ and Attila appear, and OJ blocks the exit, while I surrender to Attila.

Attila: Well done, slave. Now I hav emy arch-nemesis Ted Turner brought out of hiding and I can turn him over to Rupert Murdoch. Excellent.

I'm afraid you'll still be in custody for your coup, but I should be able to get you out.>

You can have Ted Turner, however I can get you out with my phase-shifting technology and no one will ever be able to stop you from just walking out through the walls.

Fire Storm:<THANK YOU! You just massively boosted the morale of our troops!> Obviously the mutations have not started yet, but don't worry the mutagen in the cream pies will defintely cause every Martian who eats it to blimp up it's just a matter of time. And the Laxatives will make Mars stink, pretty nice for the Cream Puff Planet.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, December 21, 2003 01:44:03 AM
IP: 216.234.99.89

Just so you know how behind things we are here, we just put up our Christmas lights today. Haven't gotten to the tree yet.

Lain> <<and made a spear tipped with the plant>>: I thought it was only a little dart.
<<although the plant itself is quite toxic (it kills cancer, however, which is kinda cool)>>: Anything that'll kill you will kill cancer, because cancer is you. It's the idea behind chemotherapy: poison the person slowly and hope the cancer dies first.
<<nnnNNNoOOOoooooo>>: I actually got you to use capitals, nice.
<<runs screaming>>: Run all you want, but they'll come for you after you've tired yourself out.

Greg> <<We're a little more laid back though>>: You don't have to commit breaking and entering on your wedding night?

Fire Storm> <<Well, let's have pie anyway! I'm hungry>>: Excellent plan. I think I'll start with the strawberry cream.
<<To experience change and pleasure, there must be a little pain>>: But if I relax and loosen my muscles it won't hurt as much?
<<I've only had to worry about tissue damage once>>: After the fact, but I still don't think it's a very conforting thought that if anything else had gone wrong, there would have been much pain.
<<celebrities love endangered species! Who should we get to help you?>>: How about Claudia Black? Or maybe Miranda Otto?
<<Kinda like a whole Tyler Durden thing, you think?>>: Probably, though I have heard of a similar thing happening to a stand up comic on his own time: watching a porn medly, then at the climax it switched to gay porn.
<<That's just bad>>: I did warn you.
<>: No, I don't think even they would gaffaw at it.
<<even if they do have different domain names, if they are on the same server it is considered to be "localhost" access, right?>>: I think so.
<<But you mentioned something about secure telnet clients before>>: Yup, being paranoid, Wyvernweb has apparently blocked standard telnet and ftp access. However, just as you (probably) have WinSCP to ftp, you can get PuTTY for remote shell login (a google search for "putty" will bring it up as the first response).
<<Now I am happy>>: As am I, as am I.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, December 21, 2003 01:00:59 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

DPH> Bud-Clare and Dezi are two seperate people.
ghost of Reverend Attila
Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:49:46 PM
IP: 220.73.165.139

Thomas> <>
Shut up. She's tough. :P

<<Uh, his mother's dead.>>
Good answer...but somewhat missing the point, I think.
___________________
DPH> <<And there was a few times he tried biting me (when I took something out of his mouth) and trust me, it was an uphill battle for me not to get hurt.>>
Nice dog. Really. Makes me feel better about my dog's discipline issues.

<<And Dezi, I would prefer to rot to the core thatn to ran home and complain to somebody (my dad) that I despise most of the time.>>
...?
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:43:28 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

umm, since Green Baron has been captured, is it too late to unconditionally surrender to GXB's side? *flips a switch and the holograms of Green Baron disappear and DPH pulls out white flag indicating a desire to surrender*

Bud Clare - I've had quite a few dogs. My favorite was Samburg, a pure breed Collie. His nose was so big that entered the room the day before he did. And there was a few times he tried biting me (when I took something out of his mouth) and trust me, it was an uphill battle for me not to get hurt. When he was alive, I loved playing with him. I used to take off my glasses and close my eyes and let him come to me while I tried to avoid being licked by him. He was a great dog. We had some fun times together. And Dezi, I would prefer to rot to the core thatn to ran home and complain to somebody (my dad) that I despise most of the time.

Lain - that was a spur of the moment idea, without much thought put into it.

*flips a switch and a 3d holographic representation of a person appears, with the notice: Wanted for repeatedly violating attempts at letting people sleep.* I'm getting frustrating with a certain moron, who doesn't seem to grasp the concept of catching up with sleep. His actions bother me, because I can't see past the hypocrisy.

I wonder if flipping a coin or rolling a dice would approximate the odds of finding LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring in Hastings tonight available for rent. Nah, either one has better odds.

Hmm. I can't wait to enjoy a Pineapple Smoothie, I just made. I think I added too much pineapple, though, because it said to use 1.5 cups of pineapple and I used all of one and the smoothie tastes like it needs more sugar.

*DPH disappears into fat air*
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:03:34 PM
IP: 204.94.193.68

***RP? Na. Never. ***

At a store, perhaps a store near you, a crime is happening. This crime, however, is not one that can be prosecuted in any known court. No, because this is a crime against humanity and nature. Many see this, but few try to stop it. This is where I come in.

"I'd like to return this computer!" said the lady holding a ripped computer box, her many children running all around the store.

"Uh... I can't accept this return!" The valiant employee behind the counter tried to fend off the woman, but has little success. "For one, you don't have a receipt, second, the box is all ripped up, third, it's a computer that hasn't been sold for over a year, and fourth, that's a Gateway. We don't sell Gateway's here!"

"WELL, I DON'T CARE! I DEMAND MY REFUND! I WANT TO TALK TO YOUR MANA...URK!" The woman's head sails through the air as Fire Storm wipes the blood off of his scythe. He looks down at the kids, who is looking at his shadow covered face with fear.

"Do not worry, little children. It will be better now. Now you can learn from someone intelligent!"

"Wh... who are you?" One of the little kids, a little girl who still shows that little spark of intelligence. She can still be saved, Fire Storm smirks, although it really can't be seen under his dark gray hood.

"My name is not important. I merely help out Captain Darwin in times of need."

After pausing for a second, the kids, and in fact, all of the people in the store start to cheer.

As Fire Storm walked towards the exit of the store, he turned towards the crowd. "Remember: He is watching you! He knows when you've been sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows when you've been stupid or smart, so you better be good for Darwin's sake! Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!"

***Well, if that WAS RP, then it is now over.***

Just doing my part to help out a friend on the holidays, and have been quite busy doing so.

Todd: <Arthur would most likely move away from London to a different base and no longer live with the London gargoyles, largely because we were afraid that the London clan was upstaging him and his human companions>
That, and I bet Michael would be a little upset if Arthur started having more and more knights come there.

Gside: 
True... Hmm... Well, let's have pie anyway! I'm hungry!
<Seems uncomfortable. I'll have to classify that as a bad thing>
To experience change and pleasure, there must be a little pain
<Singing itself isn't bad, it's just that you never know how close you were to tissue damage>
PFFFT! I've burned off more hair on my arms then I care to think about, and I've only had to worry about tissue damage once!
<But I'm not sure if I'd want to breed with any females that look like me>
Hmm... point. Oh well. Hey... celebrities love endangered species! Who should we get to help you?
<Of course. Sailor Bubba is compulsury>
Here's what we do: We fill most of the video with REALLY hot cosplayers (yes, there will be catgirls), and every so often, we show a second or two of Sailor Bubba and the Bubba Scouts! Kinda like a whole Tyler Durden thing, you think?
<As long as there is mass destruction, I'm happy>
More stickiness than destruction

That's just bad... but I got it and it was a little funny. I bet in the nuclear physicist circles, it would be hilarious.
<Are you sure s8 isn't on the same machine? Take a look at the directories in /home/ some may just be for other domains.>
No, I'm not. And it looks like they are on the same server (or at least hosted by Wyvern Web too. First three octets are the same at the very least) That's right... even if they do have different domain names, if they are on the same server it is considered to be "localhost" access, right?
<Not that I know of. You still have the login I emailed you, right?>
Think so. But you mentioned something about secure telnet clients before...

Leo: <Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew. Shut UP!! GAAAAAAHHHH!!! The horrible, HORRIBLE images that are going through my head now!!! >
*evil laugh*
Now I am happy!

Vinnie: <not to mention that I have laced all the pies with lacative>
Yeah, I know what you meant, but still...
Great. So guess we will have wet shirts... and pie covered shirts that will either need to be taken off or licked off... hmm... well, Martian women ARE kinda hot...
THANK YOU! You just massively boosted the morale of our troops! I now have the footage for the "Martian's Gone Wild" video I can send to the troops. I'll just do some editing and no one will know about the laxative! :)

Quick little thing popped into my head:
Before you can RP, you must answer me these RP questions three
Fire Storm
Saturday, December 20, 2003 03:08:38 PM
IP: 68.73.59.147

RP WARNING**

Ted Turner has made hi splan to seal his alliance with me against the evil cat.

While this goes on, OJ and Attila appear, and OJ blocks the exit, while I surrender to Attila.

Attila: Well done, slave. Now I hav emy arch-nemesis Ted Turner brought out of hiding and I can turn him over to Rupert Murdoch. Excellent.

I'm afraid you'll still be in custody for your coup, but I should be able to get you out.

END RP!!!!******

On December 20, 1803, there was a land known as Louisianne and its capital was a corrupt, fun-loving port-city surrounded by swamps.

Under Napoleon, this parcel of land was retaken by the Spanish. At this time President Thomas Jefferson was cocnerned about losing access to the corrupt port city, so he sent his diplomats with plans to purcahse the port for 10 million dollars (and that was real money back then). Instead he was able to buy all of France's holdings in the New World, except two little islands off the coast of Newfoundland, for $15 million. This was to be known as the Louisiana Purchase, the best Real Estate deal America ever had, and it was at this time that the froggies in my family became Americans.

Vive Louisianne. Vive Nouvelle Orleans. It was 200 years ago today that the American flew over New Orleans.

And the lands form New Orleans to North Dakota were American.

Bud-Clare> <<..........You've never had a dog, have you?>> I don't see Suzy doing serious damage to anyone.

<<Why didn't you just run home crying to your mommy?>> Uh, his mother's dead.

Lain> Karen says bring on the iceburgs. She loves their water. The iceburgs melt by the time they reach Corner Brook anyway.

So Mike has turned you to the gun side.

Dezi> One year of Dezi. I didn't realize how long it has been.
Le Baron Vert - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Saturday, December 20, 2003 07:11:00 AM
IP: 218.145.25.48

Attila> <<Well, Imzadi's not here so I felt the need to fill that void>>
Good job.
_________________
DPH> <<Might I recommend in the future that you have a recover chamber specifically reserved for you and ready for you to walk in at any moment?>>
Could you be just a little bit lamer?

<<How many people have seen or heard of a dog biting another animal *without* causing serious harm or drawing blood?>>
..........You've never had a dog, have you?

<<Bud Clare is underestimating your abilities.>>
No, I'm not. Just because a dog _can_ draw blood doesn't mean that it will. "Chomp" is not a word that I associate with serious damage. But if you want to be paranoid, knock yourself out.

<<Well, some of the rules of reality are . . umm . . bent in the rp.>>
And that's fine, as long as everyone's clear on it. The pie gun, for instance, needs no explanation. Seriously electrocuting someone without the traditional consequences is something which does require some kind of explanation, since the rest of us aren't psychic and therefore have no idea what's going through your head. Not to mention that it was a silly response anyway. Why didn't you just run home crying to your mommy? At least _that_ wouldn't have been disproportionate.

<<On the page with the grades, the user id is listed at the top.>>
Really? Your password too? (That's sarcasm, just so we're clear.)
___________________
Vinnie> <>
Oo, another Typo of Doom. Clearly we have nothing to fear from our enemies.

<<Fortunately over the years I have made my posterior kick proof.>>
But not chomp proof? DOTTIE!
Bud-Clare
Saturday, December 20, 2003 04:46:26 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

lain:<where does it say anything about fey allergies?> Well it doesn't actually say directly the Fae are allergic, but it can be inferred. By the way you missed this part: "Putting it in a baby's crib would keep the fairies from whisking away your child." It's a pity Xanatos and Fox didn't have any Mistletoe during The Gathering part two, it would have made an extra line of defense.

Greg Bishansky:<No chance of that. We have a lot in common with Sparta. Ares likes that. We're a little more laid back though.> Well then I suppose it's a lucky thing that Sparta never tried my pie recipe, otherwise they would never have been able to leave home. Besides my pies have 10,000* the normal amount of calories concentrated in them. And let's not forget by the time I am done no one will call Mars the red planet any more, instead people will call it planet cream puff.HAHAHAHA! <Before I go, KNIGHTS OF MARS, your quest is to find Vinnie's ass.... and then beat it!> Fortunately over the years I have made my posterior kick proof. No one is getting me like that! HEHEHEHEH!

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, December 20, 2003 04:03:21 AM
IP: 216.234.99.153

*** RP Crap ***
Flying through the air upon his Fell Beast, screeching into the night, the Witch King of Angmar arrives at a safe house in search of Dick Cheney. If he finds Cheney, he finds the Green Baron. Finding the cabin deep in a forest and destroying several secret service agents with his gigantic morningstar, and then proceeds to destroy cabin. As the cabin burns to the ground, Cheney is seen retreating. The Fell Beast leaps into the air and descends upon the Vice President. No others retreat, there is no sign of the Green Baron. But, as it has been a long time since he fed his steed... "Feast upon his flesh."
*** End RP Crap ***

(I really hope the Secret Service doesn't read that and get the wrong impression)

Damn, and I thought we really had you there Baron ;)

I still haven't watching this week's episode of '24'. Got it on tape. Wanna watch it, been busy.

VINNIE> <<Good, my plan is working. Now the Martians will becoming to fat and lazy to move. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!>> No chance of that. We have a lot in common with Sparta. Ares likes that. We're a little more laid back though.

Can't wait till these Holidays end. I work retail... it sucks this time of year. Still, got presents and good food to look forward too.

Will be seeing "Return of the King" for the third time tomorrow (I really need a 12 step program here), as my brother and a friend of mine have yet to see it. And like I need an excuse ;)

ED> You're entitled to your opinion also, but I'm glad you're at least judging the movies as movies standing on their own instead of their fidelity to the text. I've had debates like that with hardcore Tolkienites (which I do consider myself one of as well) for the past couple years, and those get old. I could site all the awards it's won, and the amount of money it's brought in, but I won't as movies like Titanic and A Beautiful Mind received all that also, and you'll never convince me they were good movies ;)

LAIN> If anybody ever had an excuse for patricide it would be you... and me. But definetly you. I know he's your father, but the man is an ass. Kinda like my dad. I remember once mine wanted to fly to South Korea and kidnap a thirteen year old girl.

Before I go, KNIGHTS OF MARS, your quest is to find Vinnie's ass.... and then beat it!
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Saturday, December 20, 2003 02:37:19 AM
IP: 216.179.1.96

vinnie>> <> where does it say anything about fey allergies? the explanation you quoted about the mistletoe/baldur legend leaves out an important bit, which is this: baldur had had dreams which fortold his death, so the goddess freya (odins wife and baldurs mother - see also "Freya's day" as the origin for the word "friday") took it upon herself to gather oaths from all the animals, plants, metals, stones, elements (like fire, water and earth), and from all poisons and diseases swearing that they would not harm her son. unfortunately, she somehow overlooked the mistletoe plant.
since baldur was, to everyones knowledge, invulnurable to attack, the other gods used to throw things at him or shoot him for sport - because he could not be hurt. loki found out about the fact that mistletoe had not been asked to swear the oath, and made a spear tipped with the plant, which he then got baldurs brother to throw at him... and it killed him.

but its the fact that mistletoe wasnt asked not to harm baldur that killed him, not because the norse gods have an allergy to the plant.

the druids also believed mistletoe is most sacred when found growing on an oak. it is also thought to protect from thunder and lightning and a whole host of illnesses - although the plant itself is quite toxic (it kills cancer, however, which is kinda cool).

in other news, we have a mistletoe infested (non-oak) tree in the front yard. it makes for some gooooood smoochin' :)

<<Sorry missed it by one letter. It should say that my cream pies are laced with laxative, my mistake>> ooh, so THATS why it smells so bad in here now... *holds nose*

dph>> <<For example, if GXB pulled out a charm that caused me to change sides. Then, Vinnie would go off to destroy the charm while I was on GXB's side, serving GXB's cause. Because of my switching sides, Green Baron would suddenly find himself in a predictament. Eventually, Vinnie would have to find that charm and destroy at the very last minute so that Green Baron narrowly avoids capture. That would be interesting>> yikes, man. you should be using your free time to.. i dunno.. conquer the world or something, if you have THAT much of it...

gside>> <<It was only a matter of time. Soon you'll be registering with the republican party>> nnnNNNoOOOoooooo!!!! i refuuuuuuuuse!!!!! NEEEEEEVER!!!!!! NEVER I SAY!!!!! *runs screaming*
lain
Saturday, December 20, 2003 02:15:12 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Vinnie - <Maybe you are right and there aren't enough rules for this RP, but it does provide some amusement.> Too many rules and we ruin the fun. If we wanted a permant rp in this cr, we would probably want to work harder on cooperation. As it is, I don't see this rp having the . . spark to go indefinitely.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 20, 2003 01:53:53 AM
IP: 204.94.193.23

One more thing! Here is an interesting tidbit:

While mistletoe sounds more like a foot condition than anything that would inspire romance, you should probably count your blessings that all you get is a kiss. Once upon a time, it was more customary to sacrifice a bull or ox under the mistletoe.

Mistletoe is an interesting plant. It's a parasite; in fact it's the only plant that is actually considered a true parasite because it sometimes kills the hardwood trees it infests. Mistletoe grows slowly in trees, and doesn't put roots in the ground.

This liberation from the earth made the ancient Druids believe mistletoe was sacred. It was even considered bad luck to let any mistletoe touch the ground. The Druids believed mistletoe could provide protection; promote fertility, love, and health; and exorcise demons. Putting it in a baby's crib would keep the fairies from whisking away your child. And some people even believed that wearing it around your neck could make you invisible. (But maybe only in the way that drinking a lot of mead could make you really good-looking.)

The tradition of kissing under the mistletoe probably got its start with the Druids as well.

According to one explanation, the Norse god Balder was killed with an arrow made of mistletoe. The rest of the gods were sad, so they decided to bring him back to life. The Goddess of Love then dedicated the mistletoe to Balder--and anyone passing under it must receive a kiss to show tribute to this symbol of love.

Others point to the Druid tradition of laying down arms and exchanging greetings under the mistletoe as the origin of the kissing tradition. They credit the English for taking peace one step further by puckering up, then plucking a berry from the bunch and discarding it. The kissing ended when the berries ran out, inspiring people to find hearty bunches.

I wonder how Owen Burnett/Puck feels about Mistletoe, considering the Fae allergies to it?
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, December 20, 2003 01:25:17 AM
IP: 216.234.99.153

lain:<what the hell is lacative? does it make you lactate?> Sorry missed it by one letter. It should say that my cream pies are laced with laxative, my mistake.:)

DPH: Maybe you are right and there aren't enough rules for this RP, but it does provide some amusement.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, December 20, 2003 01:13:36 AM
IP: 216.234.99.153

Finally saw Return; liked it, teared up in all the right places and whatnot. Liked Narya's cameo.

Leo> <<The horrible, HORRIBLE images that are going through my head now>>: Our plan is working, time to step up the timetable. Lord of the Evil Laugh part three: Return of the Evil Laugh.

Bud Clare> <<Don't be silly>>: Why not? It's fun.
<<As long as they aren't talking to their "precious">>: They are.

Dezi> <<I've been posting here for a year!>>: Congratulations. As for me, it's four years, one month, five days and someodd minutes.

DPH> <<On the page with the grades, the user id is listed at the top>>: All right, so someone went overboard on the user ID, but it still holds for password.

Attila> <<You wish>>: And you don't even know the half of it.

Zetsuei> <<Okay, this entire "comment" room disturbs me>>: Thank you.
<<It's almost impossible to read ANYTHING THAT ANYONE SAYS>>: Just remember to read from the bottom up.

Lain> <<It's almost impossible to read ANYTHING THAT ANYONE SAYS>>: It was only a matter of time. Soon you'll be registering with the republican party.

Todd> <<Based on what I've read about Ares in Greek mythology, I'd say definitely chaos>>: To quote the Encyclopedia Mythica: "His sister Eris, the goddess of strife, is his constant companion".

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, December 19, 2003 11:28:15 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

DPH - Based on what I've read about Ares in Greek mythology, I'd say definitely chaos. If you want organization, you need Athena.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, December 19, 2003 09:41:25 PM
IP: 63.186.0.216

Lain - <plus the RP is getting really dumb and boring now because people dont seem to be able to give and take.> Yea, this rp needs a plot. Everybody is doing their own thing without bothering to coordinate actions with others. For example, if GXB pulled out a charm that caused me to change sides. Then, Vinnie would go off to destroy the charm while I was on GXB's side, serving GXB's cause. Because of my switching sides, Green Baron would suddenly find himself in a predictament. Eventually, Vinnie would have to find that charm and destroy at the very last minute so that Green Baron narrowly avoids capture. That would be interesting. Sadly, it won't happen without a thing called coordination and planning. I'm open for some significant give-and-take in the rp if and only if others are willing to do the same to bring back somewhat decent plot.

Hmm. Does Ares prefer organization or chaos during battle?
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, December 19, 2003 08:48:02 PM
IP: 204.94.193.52

zetsuei>> yes. pie IS good.
<<Must be my inability to read RPs>> ... or the fact that the RPs are smooshed in with all the other comments. maybe we should be following the example with the ***start RP***/***end RP*** then we know what to ignore :P
>>http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/rules.html <<RP rules.
plus the RP is getting really dumb and boring now because people dont seem to be able to give and take.

dph>> <<btw, what did you think of this week's episode of 24?>> was good.

***possible spoilers for 24***
man, is that chase edwards ever a dork or what :P i cant decide if im happy or mad that jacks gun wasnt loaded. i hope we arent going to have to suffer through another really messy torture scene tho. that would be icky. its about time tony started showing some other sorts of ill-effects from the whole "gunshot wound to the neck" plot point.
***end weenie spoilers***

vinnie>> <<not to mention that I have laced all the pies with lacative>> what the hell is lacative? does it make you lactate?

*beats head on desk* yes. pie good. RP stupid.

spacie>> <<You are just distracted by its shiny-ness>> yes. shiney.

greg>> <<To quote SJ from two years ago>> wow, we miss sj so much that now were quoting him - from two years ago, no less. how sad are we?

green baron>> <<Also, Karen hates the Great Big Sea>> HEATHEN!!! we will boot her from the country! send her packing on one of those big fat icebergs that goes floating by newfie in july! disgusting! calls herself a canadian :P <<takes out an M9 and shoots Galloway in the head>> aaaah, the military version of the beretta 92. o.O...O.o... IVE BEEN INFECTED!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
not as nice as the cz though. mmmmm, cz75.... *nudges gunjack in the direction of the christmas wrapping paper and his paycheck*
lain
Friday, December 19, 2003 07:27:12 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

...
Okay, this entire "comment" room disturbs me. It's almost impossible to read ANYTHING THAT ANYONE SAYS.

Must be my inability to read RPs.
Anywho, I like pie. Pie is good.

GOOD PIE GOOD.
Zetsuei - [danno@d00m.com]
WTF, MI, US
Friday, December 19, 2003 05:37:12 PM
IP: 24.247.59.150

This week I began to read "The Dragon's Treasure" of Season 4 of Pendragon. The story takes place in Spain, in the north of Spain exactly... I mean... Arthur and his companions came to my own home!!! Roncesvalles, which is pretty close to Pamplona, just 50 kilometers (I don't know the miles for it, but I can assure you it's really close).
I enjoyed the episode a lot, couse it was dealing matters related to the culture of my land. Anyway I found some mistakes, or things that were not absoluty right... better said, that's why I going to make that thing you guys called SPOILERS.

******THE DRAGON'S TREASURE SPOILERS*****

At the begining of the story wen can read a reference about one of the most important heroes of the ancient kingdom of NAVARRE. His name is Roldan, not Roland, and legends tell that he was chained in a big stone monolit by the Moorish army. He was a brave and strong warrior and so he himself broke the chains and took that big rock and threw it to the air, it landed in a little village called "Urroz". Nowadays people visit the place where the rock was suppossed to land, in the middle of the village. And something more, the chains that Roldan broke are one parts of the flag of our territory, Navarra (Navarre).
In the story, Arthur and his friend visit Baratario, the village near the cave of the dragon. But there is no Baratario, at least in Spain. And there is no such legend about a dragon's treasure over here. Anyway there is a famous legend about a dragon (a Satan's personification) which was defeated by San Miguel (Saint Michel) Archangel with his spear and imprisoned it in the place of the great battle, in Aralar Mountains. In that same place an abbey was built, it's called Saint Michel of Aralar. There is a dark hole in one of the walls of the abbey, and the legend says that if you put your head into, you can hear the voice of Satan, the sound of the hell, the yells of the dragon.... I put my head into and well... I didn't hear anything, but it was to dark to reach to see the bottom or something... anyway it's a very strange place...
Something I didn't like anything at all was the name of the people of the village, I found too typical spanish, too typical!!! "Father Perez, Alonso Gutierrez....They looked like they come from Mexico. The names of people of this part of Spain belong to a another culture, The Basque Culture, in fact one of the most ancient cultures of Europe, and one of the least known couse noone knows its origins... and there are no any other cultures alike.
But it doesn't matter, I repeat again that I enjoyed the story so much!!! I like the way TGS staff make legends, myths, and other stories... to fit inside the TGS universe, that is the most amazing!!!! And the most interesting!!!!

*****END OF THE DRAGON'S TREASURE SPOLIERS***

Here in Navarre there are a lot of myths and legends I always thougth that they would perfectly fit in any of the stories of the TGS. They belong to the Basque culture, and take place in all the big forests we have in our land. There are legend of witches (like "The Witches of Zugarramurdi"), legend of giants, dragons, basyliscs, man kinds of elves, creatures, cyclopes, unicorns, powerfull and dreadfull wizards, gods and goddness, legends of brave knights.... there are so many....!!!!
So if anyone of the TGS Staff want to know something about Basque myths to incorpore in the TGS I offer my help. I have many text of this myths, but they are in spanish and in "euskaraz" ( the Basque Language, very strange by the way, but still in use here), i can translate them to you, it would be a real pleasure for me! Just contac me!!!

Well to finish with my writting I wanna thank TGS Staff and all the people who make possible this TGS Universe.
I hope you can understand my english ^_^ !!!

TheTrok - [germenstation@yahoo.es]
Pamplona, Navarre, Spain
Friday, December 19, 2003 12:41:57 PM
IP: 130.206.158.239

DPH: <If you need help getting there, I'm sure my guards are willing to take you to a recovery chamber so that you can heal up. > *Chomps DPH for coming off as smug* Don't you know that dog spit has healing properties.
<have seen or heard of a dog biting another animal *without* causing serious harm or drawing blood?> Do humans count as animals? I saw my brother chomp down on Dezi's foot once 'cause he thought her house slipper was a squeaky toy. No blood there, he just didn't get that gleeful squeak he was hoping for. Besides, if I were you, I'd pack up on armour. You can kinda look like one of those guys they use to train police dogs! *Gets in a few more chomps before armour can be utilized. Chomp! Chomp! Chomp!*
 Oh I do, but there's a time and place for everything. ;)
<Bud Clare is underestimating your abilities.> No, I just tend not to flaunt my abilities. It's better that way. If you know everthing I can do, I assume you'd build defenses based on that. Gotta keep the minions/co-conspirators of the Usurper guessing.

Atilla:<What do I get? ::purrrrs:: > *Chomps Atilla's tail* Happy now?

Ok bye bye. Time for my walk! (What I would give for a pair of opposable thumbs! Door knobs would no longer hinder me!)
Dottie-dog
Friday, December 19, 2003 11:25:23 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

**RP start**

Mars is being hit with pies, but I'm on Earth searching for the elusive Green Baron...now I see him in Atlanta. Ted Turner my archnemesis has joined him.

END RP!!**

Bud-Clare> The BBC's shows wil be spared and will be incorporated to Sky News and the Murdoch family which I have a 19% share of. Only their news outlets will be dissipated, though I will be sponsoring a new show about Dr Who's pet cat :)

Ed> I figured you'd like that, plus I will hire some folsk to pretend they are refugees and beat the crap out of Robert Fisk, too :) I figured the UK Spectator and Telegraph can take over the Independent, too :)

DPH> <<Dottie dog - Now, you're not playing fair. If you can hit me at any time without problems, then likewise, I have to be able to hit you at any time without problems. You can't have it where you can hit me and I can't hit you back. If you can't play fair, I'll talk to somebody about getting you kicked out of this war. Besides that, my flood of water that occured before the lightning strike would have removed any shampoo on your person. Or did you forget that little detail?>>

Dude, you seriously need a woman.

(note: That is Attila being a mean-spirited jackass and should not be taken as an insult by the Green Baron).

Well, Imzadi's not here so I felt the need to fill that void :)

Dezi> <<Sleep....must...sleeep>> want a cat, too :)

Gside> <<You are being dominated into dominating me. NIce S&M chain we've got going.>> You wish!!

Spacebabie> <<Good puppy, you get some Meaty Bones.>> What do I get? ::purrrrs::

That's it. I'm out of here to spread evil wherever I can. Toodles!!

"No, I have not seen the Paris Hilton sex tape. If I wanted to watch a skeleton getting pounded, I'd rent Jason and the Argonauts."

- Jim Treacher http://www.jimtreacher.com

ghost of Reverend Attila
Friday, December 19, 2003 07:24:18 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

Dottie dog - Congrats on recovery. Might I recommend in the future that you have a recover chamber specifically reserved for you and ready for you to walk in at any moment? If you need help getting there, I'm sure my guards are willing to take you to a recovery chamber so that you can heal up.

Bud Clare - <But if you really want to be like that, I'd like to point out that you _assumed_ that Dottie drew blood when she bit you, which, as far as I can recall, was not necessarily the case.> And you call me the one not bent on reality? I want a quick poll in the CR. How many people have seen or heard of a dog biting another animal *without* causing serious harm or drawing blood? It just doesn't happen. Dottie-dog - do you hear that? Bud Clare is underestimating your abilities. I assumed your teeth were razor sharp and I am also assuming any claws you might have are razor sharp too. If you're also more dangerous than that, I'd like to know. Well, some of the rules of reality are . . umm . . bent in the rp. [If they are not, let's see. Vinnie can't have his nice gun. Attilla the Cat can't be around. Ares wouldn't be involved. There wouldn't be any Martian people. No, I like having some of the rules bent. :) ] Hopefully, the Cartoon Laws of Physics aren't in effect. Let's see. Basic laws of physics are in effect as long as you don't count mutants and the supernatural as breaking them. I'd like to have a quote from Aladin the series: "Genies can't kill . . . but it's amazing what you can live through." In my case, I choose not to kill except when it comes to DC.

Damn Hastings. They only have 2 copies of LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring available to rent, but have plenty of copies of LOTR: The Two Towers available to rent. Anybody want to approximate the odds of me being able to rent one of those two copies, given LOTR's popularity? I've been thinking the best way to 'rent' LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring is to buy a used DVD of it from Hastings, watch it a few times, and then sell it back to Hastings. Hopefully, the difference won't be greater than the cost of renting the movie.

Gside - <And there's a very good reason for that. Who knows who might be reading over your shoulder?> Real funny. On the page with the grades, the user id is listed at the top. <I'm sure it's in the Encyclopedia of Arda (the address I posted last time).> Ahh. Thank you. Now I can locate when and where to send some . . ambassadors to acquire those special swords. *Sends special troops on an extremely import ant quest to acquire the weapons that �owyn and Meriadoc Brandybuck used in the the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.*

Lain - btw, what did you think of this week's episode of 24?

*finally hits the sack*
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, December 19, 2003 07:09:01 AM
IP: 204.94.193.39

Greg Bishansky:<And in the mean time, I must take revengeupon Vinnie as well as capture the Green Baron.> Well if you revenge I am still in orbit of Mars firing with Mr. Carter Mark X and I will remain here until the red planet becomes the cream planet.

Fire Storm:<Using a large kinetic shell against a city? How... inefficient.> I am not trying to kill anyone. I just want to rot the teeth of all Martians, not to mention that I have laced all the pies with lacative. HEHEHEHE!

Bud-Clare:<The Martian people tremble in fear. *yawns* No, sorry. I meant laughter. *declares a planetary Pie Holiday on behalf of the Lord Regent and orders the distribution of official holiday forks*> Good, my plan is working. Now the Martians will becoming to fat and lazy to move. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, December 19, 2003 04:07:12 AM
IP: 216.234.99.207

Bud-Clare:
Mmmmm Piiiieeee. Me want pie!
Dottie-dog - [clickie for pie!]
Friday, December 19, 2003 03:44:31 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

I've been posting here for a year! Weeeeee!
Dezi
Friday, December 19, 2003 03:40:25 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Gside> <<You are being dominated into dominating me.>>
Don't be silly.
___________________
DPH> <<DPH didn't say death, just burnt skin.>>
I wasn't aware that rping involved throwing out every scrap of reality without even telling anyone. Lightning may behave like that in your little world, but not where the rest of us are living. But if you really want to be like that, I'd like to point out that you _assumed_ that Dottie drew blood when she bit you, which, as far as I can recall, was not necessarily the case.

<>
I believe that the problem is stupid, but that's just me.
________________
Greg> <<Except instead of a ring, it's usually a bottle of whiskey.>>
As long as they aren't talking to their "precious".
_________________
Dezi> <<Dottie-dog has just informed me that she bestows upon you the great Milk Bone of Valor (the highest honor of her people) for coming to her defense.>>
That's sweet of her, although I'm sure that my Suzy is going to eat it first chance she gets. ;)
____________________
Vinnie> <<Did I mention that Mister Carter Mark X is as big as a small moon and a single hit would cover an entire city.>>
The Martian people tremble in fear. *yawns* No, sorry. I meant laughter. *declares a planetary Pie Holiday on behalf of the Lord Regent and orders the distribution of official holiday forks*
Bud-Clare
Friday, December 19, 2003 02:52:49 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Gside:<<Fire Storm> <<How about chocolate cream pie then?>>: I wouldn't know, you're the experienced one.>> Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew. Shut UP!! GAAAAAAHHHH!!! The horrible, HORRIBLE images that are going through my head now!!!

Leo
Friday, December 19, 2003 01:45:19 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Spacebabie> <<There are three admins who pride themselves on evil>>: But we already have one non admin in on the race.

DPH> <<as I type my user name and password to access my grades, each character is replaced with *>>: And there's a very good reason for that. Who knows who might be reading over your shoulder?

Fire Storm> <<How about chocolate cream pie then?>>: I wouldn't know, you're the experienced one.
<<Salad tongs. Goes well with the warm olive oil>>: Seems uncomfortable. I'll have to classify that as a bad thing.
<<Why's that bad? I thought that was part of the fun>>: Singing itself isn't bad, it's just that you never know how close you were to tissue damage.
<<you forget that they occasionally use close species to breed endangered species>>: But I'm not sure if I'd want to breed with any females that look like me.
<>: Of course. Sailor Bubba is compulsury.
<<Yeah, but they don't go boom as much as splat>>: As long as there is mass destruction, I'm happy. I just thought up a bad joke: where do nukes get the energy for mass destruction? Mass destruction.
<<The b!7ch will be getting a file on s8.org to update the mySQL on tgs.gfw, especially since mySQL is setup on the gfw to only accept info from localhost>>: Are you sure s8 isn't on the same machine? Take a look at the directories in /home/ some may just be for other domains.
<<is there some special way to connect to the mySQL on the gfw?>>: Not that I know of. You still have the login I emailed you, right?

DPH> <<What year(s) and location(s) were those kind of swords made in abundance?>>: I'm sure it's in the Encyclopedia of Arda (the address I posted last time).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, December 19, 2003 01:26:16 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Todd - <If you can't slay the Witch-King (due to having only men present in your troops) then you can ward him off with fire. Nazgul hate fire and avoid it whenever possible. You could also cry out frantically whenever he gets near "O Elbereth Gilthoniel!" Nazgul don't like the name of Elbereth either.> (That's harder to come by than fire, I'll admit.)> I didn't think you were taking sides in this RP war and thank you very much for that information. I'll be giving torches to my holograms and increasing their numbers by a whole another magnitude. <And stock up on Numenorean and Elvish swords, if you can find any.> Hmm. What year(s) and location(s) were those kind of swords made in abundance?
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:31:23 PM
IP: 204.94.193.73

FIRE STORM - I don't know yet whether I'll be consulted. I've let the staff know that I'm willing to be an off-list consultant, but I don't know if they'll take me up on that. A lot of that, in particular, depends on whether the staff even want to do anything in Season Five of "Gargoyles" with the regulars in "Pendragon". For all that I know, they might not (apart from the London clan - and Ed and I had decided, before we wound up abandoning the notion of a Season Five, that Arthur would most likely move away from London to a different base and no longer live with the London gargoyles, largely because we were afraid that the London clan was upstaging him and his human companions).
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 18, 2003 08:32:43 PM
IP: 63.186.0.223

The new Lord of the Rings movie ruled.

When we went to go see it, during the hour or so before the movie actually began there were two guys who threw Starbursts to the crowd.. I don't think they had any authority to do so.. but I'm glad they did. It was fun. Darth Vader danced and this Elf guy wouldn't. (He was a sad Elf, that guy.) And when they asked who had toked up before the movie, the ten year old kid who had gotten an "aword" earlier raised his hand.

Then we got previews, want to see The Butterfly Effect but I systematically refuse to believe that I saw another CGI dancing brat. Shudder.

I never got through the books, and I did try, but Tolkein wrote too dryly and matter-of-factly to keep my interest. My lack, not his, definitely.. but I really really really enjoyed this movie. Aragorn made me cry (Revel, you still look like a lighter-haired version of him.. maybe you'll consider that a costume for next year's Masquerade.) and Gollum made me run a gammut of emotions.

The fight scenes were amazing and I thought that the Undead leader guy (what's his name?) was hot. Mmm, peely cheese face!

This is my post. Merry Christmas.
Shinigami
Thursday, December 18, 2003 08:16:38 PM
IP: 64.12.96.45

Gside: <Depends on how soon people become disinterested in it.>
We can only hope that time does come

How about chocolate cream pie then?
<It's only a bad thing, depending on what they grab me with.>
Salad tongs. Goes well with the warm olive oil.
<Except for the occaisonal times he's singed various parts of his body>
Why's that bad? I thought that was part of the fun!
<But they'll insist I breed with my own, and the whole point is I'm the only one of me. So even if they invent a gateway that transports things backwards a foot or so, that won't help me>
No no... you forget that they occasionally use close species to breed endangered species!
<As much as I should be.>
I think our video will need at least 1 shot of a 300 lb male Sailor Moon
<Can you make a dirty buck layer cake?>
Yeah, but they don't go boom as much as splat
<So will you have an automated archive page that also gets automatically updated?>
In theory. The b!7ch will be getting a file on s8.org to update the mySQL on tgs.gfw, especially since mySQL is setup on the gfw to only accept info from localhost
Hey, I forget... is there some special way to connect to the mySQL on the gfw?

Vinnie: <(Did I mention that Mister Carter Mark X is as big as a small moon and a single hit would cover an entire city.)>
Using a large kinetic shell against a city? How... inefficient.

Todd: <since there is the possibility that the TGS staff will want to work some of those ideas into Season Five of "Gargoyles" via special guest appearances>
Oh, I understand. Think you'll be called in as a consultant in the future?

Ed: <We were quite unlike most other TGS series, I might add: most have their final endings all planned>
Really? That's quite interesting. I mean, I know Timedancer and Dark Ages have a set ending (assuming it doesn't follow Demona after the massacre), but... well, that is MOST... Hmm...
Otherwise, good points. Thanks.
Fire Storm
Thursday, December 18, 2003 08:06:29 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Vash: Good points. I think it was important to show the clan opposing Griff as well as just Brianna though, and making Bri the voice of the clan cut down on redundancy. She was the one best placed to convey the message to Griff anyway, and it�s not as though the revelation of the London clan wouldn�t have affected her or her clan. Eventually, I think Brianna says something like �I don�t agree with you, but I�ll support you anyway� so we tried to get this across. As for Powell�s relationship with Griff, it originated in �The Watching Eye� way back in season 1, but as you say, it would have been better if we�d developed Powell more.

Firestorm: We never had specific overall storyline, really. The concept was fairly well developed � although still open to discussion and detail. Basically, Season Five would be looking at Arthur�s place in the world again, including dealing with the ramifications of the Season Three finale. Of necessity, Season Four was quite introverted and retrospective: the heroes were dealing with their own issues, and frequently we were presenting them with second chances to make up for past sins. I think Arthur needs now to interact with other people: other heroes, politicians, the media, historians disputing his very identity etc. Arthur has decided to build New Camelot, and would probably have a base and a few knights, but he�d still be asking �what IS New Camelot�? What sort of power can Arthur really claim if he�s not got a kingdom? The antagonists are interesting because they�d be philosophically so diverse: Sybil believes might is right, Montrose believes wealth is right, Nigel believes Parliament is right, Powell believes the will of the Society is right, Lancelot believes achieving correct ends (by almost whatever means) are right etc. As well as drawing stories from myth, I thought it would be interesting to look into historical conflicts as well, and drawing historical parallels generally. We�d probably have made Jennifer a fifth regular character, and I personally wanted to see a bit more friction in the core group, which we weren�t able to really do during the Grail quest, by its very nature. I think there�s plenty of potential conflict to look at between Jennifer (the pragmatist, and the girlfriend) and Griff (the idealist, and the main knight), for a start. Mary and Merlin would be approaching the end of their compulsory schooling at sixteen, so we�d probably have needed to work out what to do with them after. Those are the broad areas of interest.

(We were quite unlike most other TGS series, I might add: most have their final endings all planned. But we treated Season Four as a complete story in its own right, and Season Five as another story for another day. Even within the season, we developed, amended and refined our notion of what the series and characters were about as we went along. As new ideas for plot, or new perspectives on character emerged from the writing process, we�d frequently replot, or rewrite, so it was never in our interests to look too far down the road. Of course, when I mention that we avoided plot-specific future plans, most people on the staff look at me like I�ve just shot their dog or something. ;))

Graymonk: Good luck with your work and deadlines. :)

DPH: Congratulations for getting off academic probation.

Greg: I think the problem with the LOTR films so far (excluding ROTK which I can�t comment on) isn�t generally how faithful they are (in places they could do with being less faithful, frankly, given how episodic the books are and how episodic films aren�t). I just don�t think they�re very good films. I find the characters generally unsympathetic and uninteresting, the special effects overused (and in some cases, quite overrated). It�s not exactly scary, it�s not tremendously exciting, it�s not romantic or nostalgic or intellectually challenging or psychologically intriguing or witty or scenic or well-paced or wonderfully scored or full of shocks or� well anything, really. Most films manage at least one thing quite well, but LOTR feels like it tried to juggle eighteen eggs at once and ended up with a messy carpet. At best it�s occasionally humorous, but it�s a lot of what Jackson adds is laughing at, not with, the characters, which isn�t tremendously helpful in taking them seriously. Now I�ve seen a load of downright dreadful films, but most of those don�t have source material that strong, or a budget as large, viewer goodwill as deep, or a selection of actors as strong as McKellen, Holm, Lee and suchlike. If your film looks dreadful and ends up dreadful it�s not as disappointing as if it looks like it might be wonderful and ends up mediocre. I really hope ROTK is better, although I�m not going to get my hopes up. Better to get a pleasant surprise than a nasty shock. ;)

Spacebabie: Welcome back! Thanks for posting your review, too -- some interesting comments.
Ed
London, England
Thursday, December 18, 2003 07:55:27 PM
IP: 213.187.39.189

Dezi>> One more note on Melkor. Melkor was later renamed Morgoth. He was the first Dark Lord. For a connection to the movies, think back to the first movie, when Legolas tells how Gandalf fell he mentions a Balrog of Morgoth. Morgoth made the balrogs from entities similar to Sauron. The first dark lord also was the one who twisted Elves into Orcs. During the battles between Morgoth and the other Valar, the geography of Middle-Earth was reorganized several times. For additional information see The Silmarillion, by Tokien. It contains all the ancient history and is the back drop Tolkien used to write the LOTR books.
Mecord
Thursday, December 18, 2003 07:53:32 PM
IP: 129.123.104.6

GRAYMONK - I'll be looking forward to your review.

If you can't slay the Witch-King (due to having only men present in your troops) then you can ward him off with fire. Nazgul hate fire and avoid it whenever possible. You could also cry out frantically whenever he gets near "O Elbereth Gilthoniel!" Nazgul don't like the name of Elbereth either. And stock up on Numenorean and Elvish swords, if you can find any. (That's harder to come by than fire, I'll admit.)

If you want a really terrible LotR adaptation, there's the (admittedly never made) Zimmerman attempt back in the 1950's. I saw the proposed synopsis for it at a Tolkien convention in 1995, and after reading it, I can see why Tolkien horrifiedly rejected it. Among other things, it had the Fellowship flown all over the place by eagles, Barliman Butterbur having Frodo sign the register at the Prancing Pony and giving him and his friends numbered rooms, and the Orcs being like giant birds with beaks and feathers (Tolkien suspected that Zimmerman had confused "Orcs" with "Auks").
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 18, 2003 07:06:20 PM
IP: 63.186.0.223

Le Baron Vert - <Dezi knwos the rp rule now about hurting another RP character and it won't happen again.> I believe the problem is resolved.

Lain - <he told me i should seek mental help. im very unbalanced, you see, as evidenced by the fact that im not living my li fe the way he wants me to.> Haha. It's too late for him to pass on his moral values to you. <plus id have to be SERIOUSLY disturbed to be affianced to a texan conservative who voted for bush, not to mention a *christian* conservative, good GOD, what am i thinking?> You're an independent woman who is seeking to be happy. <that i was the happiest ive been within memory> Hmm. The happiest times of my life within recent memory are the times I spent the least amount of time around my dad. Perhaps there is a pattern. :p

Lately, My dad has been complaining about me wanting to sleep 'too much'. Hmm. Let's see. I have a sleep debt that I'm trying to pay back because I have 8am classes on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday next semester.

All my answering machine seems to be catching . . is people trying to sell me something.

I'm having to fight AIM. It has decided to play movie trailers when I go online.

LOTR - It would be fun to watch the movies if the damn video store would actually keep the original movie in stock to rent on VHS. Honestly, I think they overstock on new releases, and don't bother having enough stock of the 1st movie in a series when the second one comes out. I'm told my dad that I plan on dvd-rom for my computer after Christmas when the big sales start. I asked why I needed one. Sheesh, at times it's pretty hard to find the movie that I want to want on VHS. If I had a dvd-rom, I wouldn't have half the problems finding the movies I want to rent.

I checked my grades yesterday and my cumulative GPA is finally above 2.0, which should place me off academic probation. The only stupid thing is I can access my grades online only from 8am to 8pm. And of course, as I type my user name and password to access my grades, each character is replaced with * . I'm not upset with the "D" I got in one class because I knew I didn't deserve an "A" or "B" in that class. I am upset with a "C" in one class when I was confident that should have ended up with either an "A" or "B" in the class. I really hate the 100 point grading scale where the total number of points earned at the end of the semester equals 100 and your grade is the total number of points earned.

GXB - <The Witch-King of Angmar . . can see right through DPH's holograms> Hmm. This calls for an upgrade in my strategy for protecting the Green Baron.

Vash - I know the feeling.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, December 18, 2003 05:42:47 PM
IP: 204.94.193.81

SPACEBABIE> Yes, I dub thee Dame Eris. Go forth and beat ass.

And in the mean time, I must take revengeupon Vinnie as well as capture the Green Baron. So I am now presenting the newest Martian Knight. He just got done with a three-year movie gig, and is looking for work.

The Witch-King of Angmar shall hunt down and punish all enemies of the Knights of Mars. No man can kill him, and since the Green Baron has no women on his side, and he can see right through DPH's holograms, victory is certain.

Knights of Mars, victory will soon be within reach.
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Thursday, December 18, 2003 05:00:48 PM
IP: 216.179.1.96

I'm not sure if "South Park" deserves "spoiler" warnings, but just in case some viewers do.....

**The previous post contains SPOILERS***

:p
Leo
Thursday, December 18, 2003 04:29:00 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Greg<<Saddam, you'll soon be having your creepy butt sex with Satan.>>
Gside<<Which reminds me, just how much fun will the South Park crew have with his new look?

LOL, and they didn't waste any time finding an excuse to exploit it. He makes a "surprise appearence" in this week's episode. :)

Leo
Thursday, December 18, 2003 04:17:17 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

That�s right folks Spacebabie is back and she�s a bloody bitch!

I�m finished my shopping, my wrapping and sending out gifts. I�m also finished with school!

:::Dances:::

Now we need a good Josh post...is he out on winter break yet?

*************Carbonek Spoilers**********

Sophie�s Choice�Where Arthur must decide weather Merlin or Mary dies. I guessed it would have been a test like when God Ordered Abraham to kill Isaac and told him to stop at the last second. I guessed that it would have been a test to see if Arthur would follow the ruels and be stopped at the last second or Arthur holds back and doesn�t raise his sword at Mary�Either way he would have been given the grail.

The Wedding� I understand why Nigel didn�t invite Mary for several reasons and the third besides being a wolf and not know when she would come back. He might have feared she might have protested.

Multiple Cameos�always good to see Molly and Macbeth.

Different factions... I knew Morgana was going to try to stop them, I knew the Illumanti would interfere and I guessed the Minions would show up too. I was surprised with the Vampyres. The different factions attacking the heros reminded me a bit of Avalon part III

Indianna Jones..The Grail not being gold and instead a common and dull cup reminded me of the third movie. The same where Morgana fell into the chasm was like the scene where Ursala fell because of her greed. If she let the grail go she would have been rescued by the person she cared about. Morgana was like that with her vengence she wasn�t willing to let it go for her new life. She said she would even kill Mary so she wouldn�t be a sacrifice.

Griff�s speech�that was amazing. Would have liked to see a confrontation between Lucy and Dorcas though.

Great end to a great spin off, I am a bit sad to see that it was the series finale because there were a few loose threads�like what will happen with the minions? Will the Vampyres ever be cured? When will Mary be cured? How does Arthur began creating a New Camelot?
*****************End spoilers******************************

Lain<<<its always the ones you least expect>>>You are just distracted by its shiny-ness

Green Baron<<<Meric beacoup>>>Don�t make me have to wash that mouth.

Dottie<<<Get him! *chomp!* >>>Good puppy, you get some Meaty Bones.

Gside<<<Too bad you generally need three factions to make the reference work>>>There are three admins who pride themselves on evil.

Greg<<>>So am I Dame Eris or not?<<<Whenever I ride the subway, I see at least one person perched on a seat rubbing his hands together like Gollum does, and talking to themselves.>>>I ran into someone like that at the Downtown Orlando bus stop.

Bud-Claire<<>>Danke

Michael Moore>>>:::Holds nose::: I knew something as stinking up the CR

Kiefer Anderson>>> No!

Revel>>> SMOOCH!

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Thursday, December 18, 2003 04:07:34 PM
IP: 4.72.104.197

Caboose> Well, I haven't read the books, but my roomate is a Tolkein fanatic, and he thought Jackson was justified in splitting Sam and Frodo apart because, in the book, Frodo already divided himself from Sam mentally, and there was no way to protray that in the movie. So, he thought it was a good way to show how far Frodo distanced himself from Sam by actually externalizing it rather than not showing it at all.

Just food for thought.
Gabriel
Thursday, December 18, 2003 02:21:03 PM
IP: 129.120.86.89

...
luis d. grajalesd - [pasarelo_vandals_20@hotmail.com]
panam�, PR, Panama
Thursday, December 18, 2003 01:33:08 PM
IP: 206.96.85.51

Dude, it's just a book and it's just a movie.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, December 18, 2003 01:23:03 PM
IP: 216.179.1.96

Greg>>> Yeah, I know the books didn't disintegrate when the movie came out and yeah they've been more faithful than most other film adaptations. If "Return of the King" is 'absolute gold' the way it is, what could it have been if Jackson had done it right?

Oh, and I love how you can simply gloss over all sorts of other blantantly obvious gaffes on Jackson's part--the mischaracterizations, the BS that never happened and made no sense for Jackson to make happen--but not Denethor's death.

Artistic license has a place and cannot be avoided, but PJ was a bit free with his brush, IMHO.

And as this seems to get a bit heated, I'll say no more in open forum.
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
WI, USA
Thursday, December 18, 2003 01:16:56 PM
IP: 209.94.184.242

CABOOSE> To quote SJ from two years ago, your reviewof this film is like complaining that the chick didn't swallow.

This is the movie, not the fucking book. And as far as adaptions of books go, this is pretty faithful compared to 99.99999999999999% of every other movie adaption of a book out there. "Bah, not like the book" Get over it. Look at your shelf, the books are still there, they didn't disintigrate once this movie came out.

You didn't like it, fine. But it didn't suck ass, and it wasn't atrocious. Most Tolkien fans have embraced them, the critics love it, members of Tolkien's family love them, and they have been embraced by the public all over the world.

I agree, it wasn't perfect. But my only real complain (besides what's been cut) was Denethor's death. But everything else there was absolute gold.

You want to see atrocious films, go out and rent the Star Wars prequels.

Oh well, at least you didn't use the phrase "Jackson raped the text"... I never get tired of seeing the word 'rape' used that liberally ;)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:36:49 PM
IP: 216.179.1.96

You ever get so involved in a book or game that you toss and turn all night because you can't get it out of your head? I've never had that happen from a movie before, but I guess I was more wrapped up in RotK than I thought.

**spoilers** I liked seeing Andy Serkis actually *appear* in this movie--he deserved it for all his brilliant work as Gollum. When he first crept into his cave, you could actually see where they did a transition from his real face to his CGI face; it's amazing how close the two are (now I can actually believe what he said about people off the street recognizing him as Gollum). Pippin being gripped by the Palantir's fire was pretty intense. I too liked the fire signal scenes (though I feel sorry for the poor guys camped up in those mountains with nothing to do but look for signals). Pippin's song was great. I loved the effects of the dead army (how their faces flickered from rotting to skeletal). The scope of the armies massed against Minas Tirith was heartbreaking. It was interesting how the orc armies learned from the mistakes at Helm's Deep--instead massing in reach of the archers, they take down the walls from a distance with catapults. So we learn that orcs/trolls > Gondor soliders, but Rohirrim cavalry > orcs/trolls, and though oliphaunts > Rohirrim cavalry, *nothing* beats undead soldiers. ;) Eowyn was great, but man her sword must be sharp to behead a dragon with one simple stroke. Overall, a very enjoyable movie. Some of the changes from the books irked me a little, but I also enjoyed some of the added scenes in the ending (I wish they would have at least mentioned that Faramir/Eowyn get togetehr, and that Legolas, Gimli and Sam also sail to the West). Actually, if you watch the scene where Frodo hugs Sam for a long moment, you see a smile flicker across Sam's face. I like to think that Frodo is whispering to Sam that he can come and join him one day. Ah well, I look forward to seeing this in the theatre again. Next time I can focus on little things like spotting Jackson and Tolkien's grandson.
***spoilers end****

Dezi> He's called Gollum because of the sound he makes when he coughs (besides, he forgot his real name over time). My oldcollege (UCI) had a dorms complex named 'Middle Earth', with each building named after a different area in the books. I got to live in 'Lorien' and eat in 'Pippin Commons'. ;)

Ed> You're welcome--the fics deserved it. Brianna didn't seem to be supporting Griff at all, though. And she isn't even an official member of the London clan, so at the very least, she should be keeping quiet instead of stirring up opposition to his plan. Maybe a scene with just the two of them arguing over the plan would have been better, and then when he brings up his case in front of the clan, she can surprise him by taking his side despite her reservations. As for the Griff/Powell thing, maybe it would have seemed more significant if their antagonistic relationship had been building throughout the series, leading to the big confrontation. But I guess that's what you would have planned for season 5. It's just unfortunate that in *this* season, he had no big role to play.

Todd> I did mention how sad I am that you and Ed are quitting the series. Not much point in arguing against it, since the two of you seem to have good reason to leave.

Gotta stop--headache coming on. I really need to catch up on sleep.
Vashkoda
Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:34:18 AM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Ed - <> I keep meaning to write my reviews but My term is winding down at school so I've had to contend with a lot of due dates. I'm shooting to post a review saturday after I come home for Christmas vacation. I will saythat although I'm sad to see my favorite TGS series end I'm glad it went out on such a high note.
Graymonk
Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:12:42 AM
IP: 198.164.140.100

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Lady Mystic
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Thursday, December 18, 2003 08:40:49 AM
IP: 68.73.54.184

Now George Galloway has joined our cause..no, I can't sink this low in my bid for power. ::takes out an M9 and shoots Galloway in the head::

Good riddance to that dirtbag.

DPH and Dezi> There is no need to bicker and attack over this. Dezi knwos the rp rule now about hurting another RP character and it won't happen again.

Lynati> Carbonear? LOL!!! Close, her name is Karen. She's originally from St. John's and was adopted there, but she's in Corner Brook a playful rival of St. John's. If there was another Newfie Clan it would be fun to put it in CB, and you could have an East Coast/West Coast battles in Newfoundland.

Also, Karen hates the Great Big Sea, wich seperates her from Carbonear without a doubt.

ROTK> When it airs at Camp Humphreys (assuming I'm there and not farting around with Yvon up in the Yukon), I'll see it for free...you hear that, free..mwahahaha!!!

Lain> ::hugs::

Your father's being a real rat bastard. I always think my Norman Bates relationship with my mother is bad, but you have it worse.

<<plus id have to be SERIOUSLY disturbed to be affianced to a texan conservative who voted for bush, not to mention a *christian* conservative, good GOD, what am i thinking?>>
Or open-minded. Your dad has never even met Mike, and he decides to judge him. I'm just glad that Karen's dad likes me and if I do become a Canuck, he'll teach me how to monkey around with taxes :)

Le Baron Vert - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Catch me if you can
Thursday, December 18, 2003 08:38:48 AM
IP: 218.145.25.80

FIRE STORM - Ed and I had a few discussions about the overall content of Season Five before we realized that there wasn't going to be one, but not that much, largely because we were too busy licking Season Four into shape, especially "Carbonek", with only two people (the both of us) working on "Pendragon". So we had little time to work out what would happen in Season Five; getting Season Four ready for release was our biggest priority.

I'm hesitant about saying anything about Season Five's projected contents, since there is the possibility that the TGS staff will want to work some of those ideas into Season Five of "Gargoyles" via special guest appearances (it depends on whether they actually want to do anything with Arthur and his companions or have them just "disappear" with "Pendragon" over).
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, December 18, 2003 07:16:46 AM
IP: 63.186.0.119

*Mister Carter Mark X enters Martian orbit. Defense shields to maximum. Targeting Martian cities. Beginning firing sequence. FIRE! (Did I mention that Mister Carter Mark X is as big as a small moon and a single hit would cover an entire city.)*
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, December 18, 2003 03:21:52 AM
IP: 216.234.99.230

Gside>>> It's seven increasingly higer rings and an extra lookout tower. How else should it look?

Well, if you'd direct your browser to http://www.lordotrings.com/artmedia/art.asp, you could see a few Minas Tiriths that don't look quite so much like cakes.

Dezi>>> What's a Melkor?

Hooh boy. How to explain...hmm...well...
Think of Melkor as Satan and Sauron as a lesser daemon and you won't be too far off. Sauron served Melkor until the Valar (think the Olympian gods, minus the pettiness and adultery) kicked Melkor's evil ass and banished him from beyond the circles of the world. They didn't quite finish the job, however, as you can see through "Lord of the Rings" when Sauron decided to carry on in his master's footsteps.

Did that explanation help at all?

Oh, and Greg, since I've never seen "Gigli", I can't say if the latest "LOTR" chapter was worse than it. But I can say the movie sucked ass compared to the book. While I realize and accept the fact that it's impossible to totally adapt a book to film, Jackson certainly could have done a better job of it.

***"RETURN OF THE KING" SPOILERS***

1. Jackson turned Denethor into an incompetant boob. Denethor in the book had the brains to evacuate the city of the civillian population and light the beacons all on his own, as well as dispatching errand riders every which way to call for aid. Denethor in the movie didn't give a damn.

2. Jackson has Frodo banish Sam. Where in hell did that come from?

3. Where was the ominous pall of smoke that made day as dark as night?

4. Why was Frodo so calm, cool, and collected about the Ring here but freaked out about it regularly back in "The Two Towers"? Didn't that strike anyone as being slightly out of character?

5. And speaking of out of character, what was up with Gandalf, ye olde magic wielding jackass? Where'd that side of his personality come from?

***END SPOILERS***

I went into the movie expecting Jackson to screw with the plot, knowing he was going to based on what he did to "The Two Towers". I don't think I had very high expectations for how good the movie was going to be, and yet Jackson still managed to undershoot my already lowered expectations.

If I go again, it'll only be because my LOTR-illiterate family needs an interpreter.
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
WI, 54494
Thursday, December 18, 2003 02:43:47 AM
IP: 209.94.184.242

**** Lord of the Rings****
I've never read the books, so 'scuse the ignorance. To me, the three movies were just that: movies. Really cool movies, but movies nonetheless. I do have one question: Gollum's name was Smeegul. Why is he also called Gollum? Where did he get that name?
The third one was full of double backs to me. Like Smeegul. I thought he died like 3 times. And the ending was drawn out. I don't know how the books ended, to compare against. But it just kept going. Like they had so many "closing" scenes in a row. You put your coat on, you take it off. Just when you think its time to leave so you can finally pee, another scene!
And, I don't know how much the book focused on Sam at the end, but it seemed like everyone else was pushed aside. Like, there was so much play up on Aragorn and (Liv Tyler) that you'd think if we see Sam and his kids, we could see the happy royal couple too.
I don't know, some of it seemed a little too cut-and-paste.
Like, from what I've heard has been cut out. Maybe it would have helped those of us that aren't all hardcore about the books.
Interesting note:
I saw one theater goer who looked like the elf queen. I pointed it out to Brandon. He said, Yeah, and that's a guy. The elf queen then turned around (some distance away) and Brandon's comment was confirmed. Weeeird.
We also had half a Smeegul romping around on the main floor before the start of the movie. Blah.
And then, at the end, some girl on the OTHER SIDE of the theater started to sob loudly. Like *sob sob sniffle sniffle hicup sob sob*. C'mon!

Oh yeah, one more off the side question: All of the servers at my school are named after LOR things. Like the teacher server is called Bilbo. The student one is called Melkor. Ok, so what _is_ a Melkor?
****End Lord of Rings*****

DPH (or his hologram): All I'm saying is that if you can, in all your god-like aweness, rain lightening down at your command, Dottie-Dog, in her doggie wonderfulness, can miraculously heal. Or dodge. Or whatever she feels the need to do. And she really did get a bath yesterday.

Bud-Clare: Dottie-dog has just informed me that she bestows upon you the great Milk Bone of Valor (the highest honor of her people) for coming to her defense.
Dezi
Thursday, December 18, 2003 02:07:32 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

By the way, for all your Tolkien reference needs: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

Bud Clare> <>: You are being dominated into dominating me. NIce S&M chain we've got going.

Leo> <<make some elements more clear>>: You've read the books, haven't you?

Lain> <<1.07$. how stupid is that? stamps to canada cost 60 cents>>: It's not necessarially stupid depending on the salue of what they think they are owed. Oh, and you might want to get used to the odd US habit of putting the dollar sign before the amount.
<<im going to bed now, before something else crappy happens>>: The worst bits of it were phone related, so just unplug it and be happy again.

Fire Storm> <<do you think that other shows, like a real life Truman show, or a game show such as The Running Man are really that far off now?>>: Depends on how soon people become disinterested in it.
<<Well, if I declare the marriage is bankrupt, I can forgo all the debts we have>>: There you go.
<<Kinda squishy, and warm like an apple pie>>: I thought the apple pie thing was more for oral. Cherry pie maybe?
<<HELGA! BROOMHILDA! Grab him!>>: It's only a bad thing, depending on what they grab me with.
<<he blows things up. That's a good sign>>: Except for the occaisonal times he's singed various parts of his body.
<<ND the government helps with breeding programs too!>>: But they'll insist I breed with my own, and the whole point is I'm the only one of me. So even if they invent a gateway that transports things backwards a foot or so, that won't help me.
<<and then there is the question of should these people be on camera>>: As much as I should be.
<<Well, yeah. Doesn't everyone? Let's see... standard fission... "layer cake"... OH! Dirty too!>>: Can you make a dirty buck layer cake?
<<YYYY-MM-DD(then A,B,C, etc if there is more than 1 file)>>: So will you have an automated archive page that also gets automatically updated?

Caboose> <<That implies that anyone wants to put any more of their money in Peter Jackson's pocket>>: Yes, we will.
<<Minas Tirith looking like a wedding cake>>: It's seven increasingly higer rings and an extra lookout tower. How else should it look?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, December 18, 2003 01:58:38 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Dezi - <Ummm, did I not mention that Dottie-dog was lying in the corner licking her wounds? Oh, and does beating someone's ass qualify as causing harm to someone? If so, then I'm not the only guilty party. Such is the art of Martian war.> But all war is fair in the sense that both sides can cause and receive punishment. The catch to being able to harm my character in my rp is to being able to receive the punishment from my character. <Ummm, did I not mention that Dottie-dog was lying in the corner licking her wounds?> Dottie-dog acted like lightning attacks didn't cause any damage. <hows that for fair, DPH> Thanks for stopping me from attacking somebody on my own side. I'm sure the god of war will be pleased to know another battle from starting.

Bud-Clare - <*beats dph's ass for harrassing a poor, defenseless dog*> *Security guards gently ecort DPH out of the tgs cr into a recovery chamber and dph's hologram appears.* That dog attacked DPH so it isn't innocent. *a portal opens completely drenching Bud-Clare, removing any shielding from electric attacks. Another portal opens, letting a broken electrical wire from a power line touch Bud Clare, leaving serious damage on Bud Clare before the portal closes. When the portal closes, the two ends of the electrical wire just fall to the ground.* <She chomped your ass, and you felt that death by electrocution was an appropriate response?> Carefull about that. DPH didn't say death, just burnt skin. Big difference between killing and burning skin [P.S. There are nice recovery chambers located outside of the cr that are open for anyone to use.] Those bites ripped into DPH's flesh, causing serious pain. Unfortunately, DPH is a wimp in hand-to-hand combat so he responded in a manner that is safe for him.

*dph's hologram starts process of searching for the various means of electric attacks just to keep things from getting repetitive.*

Vinnie - <Disharmony is more powerful than I originally thought.> That's an understatement. Even I don't fully grasp her means and methods at times, but I recognize her handiwork.

Ghost of Rev Attilia - And that's a problem because ? <but there was a NAMBLA Convention going on and those bastards are gone, too.> Good riddance.

DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, December 18, 2003 01:17:31 AM
IP: 204.94.193.20

Watching "Late Night with Conan O'Brien"

"Gollum is like every other guy on the New York subway"
-Conan O'Brien

Gods, I never thought about this, but it's true. Whenever I ride the subway, I see at least one person perched on a seat rubbing his hands together like Gollum does, and talking to themselves.

Except instead of a ring, it's usually a bottle of whiskey.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, December 18, 2003 01:12:35 AM
IP: 216.179.1.151

Attila> <<and the French have surrendered to us already.>>
Whee!

<>
What about Doctor Who?
______________________
DPH> <<Another one is courtesy was expected of all people in the rp.>>
She chomped your ass, and you felt that death by electrocution was an appropriate response? And you're lecturing _her_ about courtesy? No wonder people think that RPers are losers...
____________________
lain> <<he told me i should seek mental help.>>
I have a grandmother like that. Condolences.
Bud-Clare
Thursday, December 18, 2003 01:01:09 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Caboose: <<That implies that anyone wants to put any more of their money in Peter Jackson's pocket.>>

Yeah, cause we all know how universally despised these "worse than Gigli" movies are :P

But you're entitled to your opinion. I've seen the movie twice already, and will see it several more times and burn my money on the Extended Edition DVD when that comes out.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:53:04 AM
IP: 216.179.1.151

Whoopsie. Guess I clicked "Submit" twice for the last post. Sorry 'bout that.
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
WI, USA
Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:24:06 AM
IP: 209.94.184.242

***"RETURN OF THE KING" SPOILERS***

<<<Greg: Todd, all that plus "The Voice of Saruman" and "The Houses of Healing" are going to the Extended Editions.>>>

That implies that anyone wants to put any more of their money in Peter Jackson's pocket. I sure don't after that atrocious excuse for a movie. Gandalf horribly out of character, Minas Tirith looking like a wedding cake, Denethor portrayed as an incompetant boob... <Shudders>

Definitely not worth the $7.50 I paid and the hour and a half wait in the cold for the Tuesday midnight showing.

***END SPOILERS***
Caboose - [caboose@wctc.net]
WI, USA
Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:22:48 AM
IP: 209.94.184.242

TODD> <<(I was surprised that they left out the Mouth of Sauron, the difficulty of getting past the Two Watchers at Cirith Ungol, and Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-King, and a few parts struck me as exaggerated, such as the manner of Denethor's death).>>

Todd, all that plus "The Voice of Saruman" and "The Houses of Healing" are going to the Extended Editions. If you haven't seen the first two, I imagine you'll love them a lot. They're available on both DVD and VHS, and with X-Mas coming up, they'd make great gifts if you can talk a family member into it ;)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:02:49 AM
IP: 216.179.1.151

DPH: Ummm, did I not mention that Dottie-dog was lying in the corner licking her wounds? Oh, and does beating someone's ass qualify as causing harm to someone? If so, then I'm not the only guilty party. Such is the art of Martian war. *beats DPH's ass on a tecnicality*
Dezi
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:38:14 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Ok, over on Ghastly's forum, there is talk about the new divorce themed game show, and since Fox is willing to do this, do you think that other shows, like a real life Truman show, or a game show such as The Running Man are really that far off now?

Gside: <You could always claim the marriage itself made no profit, regardless of your individual incomes. But, depending on the wording, should you ever breed, you might have to slice up your progeny and distribute it among your investors.>
Well, if I declare the marriage is bankrupt, I can forgo all the debts we have...
<Have you had sex? ... What's it like?>
Kinda squishy, and warm like an apple pie
<I'll have to pass. Unless you can also promise me both Nurse Bountiful and Nurse Ambiguous.>
But, once again, you have no choice. Oh, BTW... did I tell you the nurse's first names?
HELGA! BROOMHILDA! Grab him! Dr. Wellhung? Get to work!
*evil laugh*
<Not that I can see, but he gets to blow things up and play with toys every day, so it's hard to tell.>
Ok, he blows things up. That's a good sign.
<Maybe I should let them know. There is government money in being the only one of your kind, right?>
AND the government helps with breeding programs too!
<As long as you don't repeat the footage to get a decent running time>
Many cameras. Heck, a lot of the cosplayers there love attention, so it won't be hard to get them to be in front of the camera... and then there is the question of should these people be on camera...
<You're Oppenheimer?>
Last I checked that was a no.
<Do you have any nuke plans lying around?>
Well, yeah. Doesn't everyone? Let's see... standard fission... "layer cake"... OH! Dirty too!
<Every time a post is added, or every time it is wiped? And how will you handle the naming?>
Wiped most likely. YYYY-MM-DD(then A,B,C, etc if there is more than 1 file)
<Nah, he's too large, has an exoskeleton ou arond gooey bits (instead of just an endoskeleton), and can say things other than SQUEAK>
But usually it's a hiss. Best thing about me as opposed to Willard: If the rats chew me, they get a VERY nasty surprise!

DPH: <*thinks* Close but not quite. DisHarmony likes Flame Wars, I sure hope you don't>
Well, they are kinda fun to watch and stoke!
<Wrong. I don't mind independent operations so long as your weapons are registered so that I can have defenses against them>
Well, what's the point of having secret weapons then? Are you willing to give me complete defense specs for your station so I can have offensives to your defensives?

Yeah, but there is always the possibility. Which is why you want knowledge of my offensive capability.
<What would it take to convince you that my space station (with more than adequate defenses) can peacefully coexist with any other operations?>
Very little. Don't go after my shipping contracts, or my planetary/planetoid mineral claims!
<An independent and self-sufficient space station fits the bill perfectly.>
Plan on solar power or a more advanced power supply?

Todd: <set between "Doomed" and "Black and White">
Aww... I was kinda hoping that it would be the after effects of Pen Season 4!
Have you written an outline on where you think the storyline should go?
Fire Storm
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 09:39:31 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

good grief, what a crappy, CRAPPY day ive had :P

started off with the literally 15 minutes of sleep i got last night before having to take gj to work. he didnt sleep particularly well last night either, getting about 3 1/2 hours.
the day was going almost OK until i got a call from my aunt from england. she had called me right as i was walking out of the door of my old apartment to move here, so id told here what was up, where i was going, and why wed had to threaten our old landlady with a lawyer in order to get her to NOT steal my 450$ rent deposit from me, which was all the money i owned in the world.
so anyways, she knew where i was.
my dad, however, who had disinvited me from his step-daughters wedding (she has two degrees,did you know? TWO!! and im such an idiot that i cant even suffer my way through one :P) about 2 days before it happened (and then blamed it on me "not telling him i wanted to come" when he knew damn well i did...) did not know where i was going - or even that i was going at all. so that kinda put my aunt in a bad place when he called her, which was why she called me. she recommended that i call him, to let him know i was, you know, not dead and all.
so i did.
great conversation.
he told me i should seek mental help. im very unbalanced, you see, as evidenced by the fact that im not living my life the way he wants me to.
plus id have to be SERIOUSLY disturbed to be affianced to a texan conservative who voted for bush, not to mention a *christian* conservative, good GOD, what am i thinking?
he even offered to pay for a psychiatrist for me, isnt he thoughtful?
i told him that i loved him, that i was the happiest ive been within memory, and that i probably wouldnt be talking to him again for a very long time, since its obviously not helping either of us.

then i get my phone bill from bell canada.
fyi, bell canada sucks.
i paid off my last bill on time in order to close my account, but something went wrong and now i have to pay a late charge. so they sent me a bill for this late charge - which is 1.07$. how stupid is that? stamps to canada cost 60 cents.
well, not as stupid as the fact that, when i try to call them to tell them to stuff the 1.07$ up their noses because they have a showballs chance in hell of getting me to pay it (and by they way, why do i have a 90-odd dollar charge on my november credit card statement for an internet bill i cancelled in september, hmmmm?) i learn that the only phone number they have available is one that can only be reached from within canada.
...which is really practical for me right now. :P
so i call the operator, and she says "oh no, i cant help you with that, call this other operator".
so i call the OTHER operator, and he says "oh no, i cant help you with that, call this other number".
so i call the OTHER number, and the stupid voice recognition thingy EVENTUALLY gives me an 800 number for bell canada customer serive, which i promptly call - only to find out that today, they decided to close 15 minutes early, *JUST* for me. so i have to call them back TOMORROW.
arent they thoughtful too?
arg.

im going to bed now, before something else crappy happens.

*lies down and waits for the obnoxiously loud train to show up, riiiight before she dozes off*
:P
lain
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 09:20:15 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

* RETURN OF THE KING SPOILERS *

I quite enjoyed this one, although there were some parts that I thought could have been done better (I was surprised that they left out the Mouth of Sauron, the difficulty of getting past the Two Watchers at Cirith Ungol, and Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-King, and a few parts struck me as exaggerated, such as the manner of Denethor's death).

So the orc leader at the siege of Minas Tirith was Gothmog? Thanks for the information, Bishansky. I've got to admit, I thought he made a fun villain; my favorite bits involving him were his evading the rocks from Minas Tirith's catapults in an unconcerned style of defiance, and his shouting at the Corsairs of Umbar (or what he thought was the Corsairs) when the black ships show up, "About time you lot got here!"

I was also amused by Legolas and Gimli continuing their little game of "who can slay the most Orcs?", especially after Legolas defeats the oliphaunt and Gimli comments "That still only counts as one!"

They definitely omitted the Scouring of the Shire, having everything still be nice and peaceful when the four hobbits get back home - note that the folks at the Green Dragon are far more interested in that big pumpkin! I especially got a kick out of the old hobbit staring at the four of them on their horses wearing armor, and also liked the bit where the four of them raise their tankards to each other in the Green Dragon.

And the ending is still sad with Frodo having to take ship at the Grey Havens, having saved the Shire, but being unable to enjoy it.

Pretty good, on the whole, though not perfect.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 06:50:45 PM
IP: 63.186.1.77

Vinnie: Thanks for the input.
Peace
Z
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 05:52:20 PM
IP: 67.66.145.74

DPH:<Sorry, you got the wrong gun. My "Mr Carter" doesn't fire pies but capsules that break to allow Creme Pies to escape. *dph yells "Command Override: Authorization DPH - Self Destruction." With that, Mr Carter v3.0 explodes.*> Fooled you with one of your own holograms. Huh... Sorry,I obviously misread your post. Must have been more tired back then then I thought I was. Disharmony is more powerful than I originally thought. I need to check on my Encrpytion codes just in case.

Dezi:
On the bright side my secret weapon Mister Carter Mark X is coming along quite nicely. The defenses are at maximum and on course for Martian orbit, at which point I'll be able to rain giant cream pies on any Martian city I choose. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

ghost of Reverend Attila: And in the mean time you had best prepare to get creamed.*Hits ghost with a cream pie.*
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 04:37:36 PM
IP: 216.234.99.40

Greg: Bakshi never got to adapting the Shelob chapters, in fairness. Though his LOTR is one of the few films that I've never managed to make it through awake. I didn't have much of an opinion one way or another on what I've seen, but it must be the most soporific piece of cinema ever (tied with "Attack of the Clones", perhaps) because I can't get through it with my eyes still open. I think my abiding favourite LOTR adaptation remains (by a considerable margin) the BBC radio serial by Brian Sibley, with Ian Holm as Frodo. Great casting, great scripting, nice music, and wonderfully produced.
Ed
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 03:27:27 PM
IP: 213.187.39.189

ED> <>

Oh, I'm sure there are people who could. Steven Spielberg and George Lucas for starters. I know you weren't the biggest fan of these, but just imagine how much worse they'd have been if either of these two made them... ;)

And hell, Ralph Bakshi and Rankin Bass did terrible versions also ;)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 03:11:22 PM
IP: 216.179.1.151

***CARBONEK REPLIES***

Thanks to everyone who reviewed these episodes. I hope Graymonk is able to pop by at some stage, since his reviews on the past twenty-two episodes were extremely helpful. Actually, the whole season owes a lot to this room. Perhaps partly because we had a shortage of staff, a lot of the times we were relying on the sharp eyes of people in the Comment Room to tell us when we were going off-track without realising it. Most comments, granted, are ones we anticipate. I don�t think we ever said �we�ve got to address issue x from the CR because we've spectacularly messed it up�. But having issues brought to our attentions was certainly helpful when we were thinking about redrafts and edits further down the line.

Indeed, I think some scenes I felt quite proud of originated with reader criticism. Mary reflecting on her rash behaviour in �Someone To Watch Over Me� was something missing from the original outline but was probably necessary after �Wolves�. It wasn�t until Vash�s criticism of the character in �Black and White� that I was able to get an idea of how to address these issues, though. The business of �the Great Quest� was actually an idea that came when writing �Flight from the Enchanter�, as a way of explaining the existence of that Season Two prophecy which had been mentioned a bit, but once it was clear that the Grail wasn�t the Great Quest we actually had the key in our hands to Arthur�s character development for the rest of the season. There are other examples too numerous to mention. But we didn�t ignore the comments received. So give yourselves a pat on the back, reviewers. If you liked the season, then remember you played a part in it as well. Thanks very much.

Question: I believe Lucius did not register the flat in his own name, and was planning to skip the country. He couldn�t take his stuff with him, and didn�t want anyone else to find it. Those who knew where he was (the other Minions, who had abandoned him) might also suspect he died in the explosion. Moreover, I don�t think he needed it � from now on, my belief is that he�ll be looking for magics of a different sort, not researching superior beings to guide the human race, but seeking to power himself up. So it was neither stupid nor thoughtless as far as I�m concerned; but it was definitely insane. I don�t buy the Demona parallel: she kills because she sees it as revenge. Lucius kills because he simply doesn�t think loss of human life is very important at this stage (IMHO, anyway). The idea would have been that the drama from a lot of the stories in future would have come not from �how will Arthur defeat Lucius?� but �how will Arthur stop Lucius while keeping hundreds of civilians safe at the same time?� That�s a general impression for you of the direction we were taking him, anyway, but the TGS staff could still do whatever they like with him, if anything.

Vash: As usual, excellent review. Thanks so much for doing such a detailed commentary on all the episodes this season. It�s really appreciated. I like your thoughts on swordfighting being like golf to the Inner Circle, and agree that we probably didn�t do all with Molly that we could have, though I felt her scene with Leba was important. A few specific comments.

(NIGEL) � Personally, I don�t think he married Morgana out of pity. I think he does genuinely love her, even after what he�s learnt. But being in the public eye ruled him out of delaying the wedding, so he had to struggle to justify *that*. As for the final scene� well, Todd wrote it but I proposed the beats for it, so the coldness is probably from me. I loved that it was so numbed and underplayed. What could Mary say � �I�m sorry, dad, I know I called her a murderous, psychotic terrorist but hey, bad news anyway?� She was exhausted, he was exhausted, and they have no idea how to speak to one another any more, and never did when faced with great tragedy (even in the flashbacks in �Eynhallow�).

(GRIFF) � We intended him to be leading the whole offensive, not just one section. Sorry you didn't buy Griff's speech. I particularly encouraged Todd to break Brianna's opinion from Griff's. It's more personal that way. She loved him but she disagrees with him -- but she'll support the decision anyway. I loved this tension, and happy TGS couples are a dime a dozen. This is the equivalent of an argument between professionals, complicated by the fact that they�re married. This would have been a challenge in season 5 � keeping three central couples in love and together but with disagreements and divisions all the same. As for the clan, they made valid points I thought. Michael has been concerned all season about Arthur becoming overly reliant on the clan and this is a big ask since the battle totally isn't their business. The Illuminati aren't threatening the clan. One of the things that would have been interesting in hindsight is for someone to challenge Griff's premise and say, "this has nothing to do with protection" � which is kind of the case. It is, as you say, an offensive. Didn't think of it then, though.

Shame you didn�t like the Griff/Powell conflict. I admit we had more than one eye on a possible season 5 by this stage. Mostly we just couldn�t work out what to do with Griff in season 4 so it made more sense to set up new conflicts than to try and dream up old ones retrospectively. Why did he fight Powell? We wanted each of the neo-knights to be paired with a regular antagonist who explores similar themes or had an emotional connection (both were true of Griff and Powell). This was also the beginning of an idea to make Griff a more rounded and dynamic character and less of a cardboard �good egg� figure: he owes his life to his mortal enemy, and his knightly code and moral instinct would cause problems for him on that score.

(MORGANA) � I think Morgana was doing damage control. She probably had given up on Mary to a degree but that didn�t mean she wanted her dead. It had just become an acceptable risk under the circumstances.

(BATTLE) � In fairness, Todd wanted to let the villains fight each other because it made strategic sense. I encouraged breaking it into hero/villain skirmishes because that made emotional sense for character development. But you�re right, it was rather contrived, though I think it was worth it.

***END SPOILERS***

Firestorm: Go on, apply. You know you want to. ;) Thanks for the review.

Lain: Love the �Hamlet� riff. Very entertaining.

Question: We did talk about a Season Five recruitment drive but that was before we realised that it was best to break it off after Season Four. There is a general recruitment drive on now though.

Kathy: Thanks for the heads up about the contest.

Ghost of Reverand Attila: I�ll lend you a fur ball catapult for the BBC and the Guardian, if you like. ;)

Todd/Firestorm: Regarding my own feelings about leaving the whole of TGS and not just �Pendragon�, I actually did enjoy working on other series too. I still don�t really know what�s going on with �Bad Guys�, but the writing I did for them was a blast (and I�m sure they�ll rewrite it to death to make it fit, so I don�t have to worry about looking bad. ;)). Outlining �Gargoyles� was fun but after a while I realised that I didn�t have the ability to go as deep with any of the characters as I�d like to keep my interest. I just didn�t have a strong enough grasp of them.

LOTR: Haven�t watched it yet. Probably will sometime in the next couple of weeks, though, for the sake of completion and because I don�t believe *anyone* could fluff the Shelob�s Lair, Choices of Master Samwise and Mount Doom chapters. ;)

The Trok: Last I heard, �Bad Guys� was slated for release next. �Gargoyles� Season Four is still in development. �Dark Ages� Season Three is still in development, although whether it will have enough staff members to keep it from a cot death, only the results of a recruitment drive can answer.
Ed
London, England
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 02:40:11 PM
IP: 213.187.39.189

Dezi and Dottie-dog - I have to file in extreme of your actions in the rp. Once upon a time, rp used to be fairly common in the tgs cr and we had rules about it. One of the rules was you can not kill somebody's character without permission. I'd imagine the same rules apply to harming somebody's character. Another one is courtesy was expected of all people in the rp. The only condition for being able to harm my character is being able to receive the punishment back.

Don't think I'm making these rules up. Fire Storm & Lady Mystic can vouch for those rules being in existance. Everybody who was involved in the old rps can vouch for those rules. Once again, I ask you to be fair about the rules.

Why would I know these rules? I used to be the leader of the BFTS RP. The archive of the BFTS RP is the link.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 02:25:56 PM
IP: 204.94.193.42

Hello you all!!
Anyone knows what stories are going next, whether Dark Ages 3rd Season or Gargoyles 4th Season? and bad guys? I always read the season when it is alreaded released... and always starts another one... I'm with a little delay and I wanna read all in time. Thanks
TheTrok
Pamplona, Spain
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:49:58 PM
IP: 130.206.158.232

Last night I went to class, then I went to see the defining point of 2003....

"The Return of the King"

For the past week and a half, I had tickets to the 8:00 showing for tonight, but on a whim and having a free movie pass I decided I wanted to go to the first midnight showing, I didn't do that with either FOTR or TTT

************** Spoilers ***************************

What can I say, this was fucking awesome. I loved every moment of it. Two years of building up to this and nothing but pay-off. From the opening scene detailing the "Birth of Gollum" to "The End". It was an epic film experience.

Let's get this out of the way first, Shelob was both frightening and awesome.... Frightsome (another of my lame made up words which will never catch on). The whole scene in her tunnel was creepy, but the part where she was perched above Frodo, just waiting for her to strike was the creepiest part of the film IMO. And yes, her Ladyship there looked awesome. If Peter Jackson came out and told us that she was not CGI and they found and trained a real giant spider, I'd believe him.

Minas Tirith was everything I thought it would be. I especially loved the scene where the beacons were lit.

Ah Denethor, we got an early glimpse of him in the TTT Extended Edition, and John Noble nailed the character. Though I confess I missed some of what remained of his nobility in the books. And I definetly missed the whole Palantir subplot with him, it was the reason he was going insane in the first place, Sauron ensnared him and was showing him his armies and that he had no hope of victory. I guess that will be on the DVD, if it was filmed all, which the movie-tie-in books have said.

The Siege of Minas Tirith & The Battle of the Pelennor Fields: This was just bloody unreal, from the moment the baddies issued forth from Minas Morgul to when they were taken out by the Army of the Dead. They definetly dwarfed Helm's Deep. Quite probably the best battle scene ever filmed. Orcs, Wargs, Nazgul, Mumakil, trolls... though where were the Easterlings? We saw them in "The Two Towers"... they must have read the script. Though I wish we got to see a scene where Gothmog/Mr. Potato Orc gets killed.

The Witch King of Angmar: Without a doubt, he was our visage of evil in this one. What more can I say. He fullfilled his function personally. He wreaked of evil, he was badass, he was scary, and he was only #2 in the Mordor army. Just imagine if Sauron regained the Ring. He was the leader of this army, and I felt he should have gotten more screen time.

But, his battle with Eowyn was everything I wanted it to be. "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey". It was just great... and of course the eternal question will go on, who was responsible for killing him, Merry (who by being a Hobbit is technically not a "man") when he stabbed him in the back? Or Eowyn when she took his head off? I always leaned more towards Eowyn myself.

The climax at Mt. Doom, Battle at the Black Gates and the fall of Sauron... wow. Just,wow. Best scenes in any of these movies. Really.

Gollum: Amazing the 180 degree shift they pulled off. We liked, pitied and even laughed at Gollum in "The Two Towers", he was truly the villain in this one. No pity was felt when he took hig big plunge. He still got laughs, but this time it was when ever he insulted Sam.

The Grey Havens were just beautiful.

But, much as I loved it, and I did. It was not perfect. I did miss Saruman this time, and if time was the issue, I did notice stuff I'd have been happy to lose in exchange for this. Most of the post-Mt. Doom material. Specifically the stuff after Aragorn's coronation and before they leave for the Grey Havens. They could have ended it at the Grey Havens and left Sam's classic from the book "Well, I'm back" line for the DVDs along with the rest of the Sam/Rosie stuff. If the Faramir/Eowyn romance can go to the Extended Edition DVDs (as I predicted they would, and even agree with) then so could this. The Saruman stuff was more important.

And really, it felt a little incomplete. The Witch King says he will "break the White Wizard" and we never get a confrontation, which was both in the books and in one of the early teasers briefly. Of course, I'm just griping because that was one of my favorite scenes, and hey... I'm allowed ;)

I missed the Mouth of Sauron also, I know he was cast and filmed, in fact, the whole sequence at the Black Gates left a bit of a gap where they could easily reinsert him. This was another scene I'd have been glad to lose the Sam/Rosy stuff for. It would have added plenty of extra tension, and hey you can never have too much where he brings out Frodo's mithrul vest, throws it down to make the armies of the West lose hope and believe that Frodo failed and the victory of Sauron is imminent. I can also understand why it got cut, since we know Frodo is not in Sauron's custody nor does he have the Ring, unlike in the book when the two quests were split into different books. But still, I'd have liked to have seen it. But hey,it's going to the DVD also

All and all, I give this one a 9 out of 10. Despite some of my gripes I really did love it. I'll be seeing it again later tonight.

********* END SPOILERS*************************

Real post later, when I'm fully awake
Greg Bishansky - [Lord Regent of the Sacred Red Planet]
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:35:01 AM
IP: 216.179.1.151

FIRE STORM - We're both resigning entirely from TGS; "Pendragon" was the only part of it that we were really interested in (I don't know about Ed, but I think that a lot of that was due to the fact that it's been so long since "Gargoyles" ended on television - six years - that I've found myself "moving on"; I still like the series, but I've reached the point of acceptance about it being over).

I don't know if I should mention it or not, but there is going to be a Season Four "Gargoyles" episode dealing with Arthur and his companions visiting New York (set between "Doomed" and "Black and White") and having an adventure alongside Goliath and his clan. I'm planning on co-writing it as my swan song for TGS; that's all that I'm saying, however.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 07:38:42 AM
IP: 63.186.1.45

"Trilogy Tuesday" Experience:

GOOD:
It was fun seeing the extended editions of the first two films on the big screen (this was my first time ever seeing the "Two Towers" special edition. My DVD is wrapped and waiting for me.). The theater gave all of us special discounts on food - free refills on drinks an popcorn, $1 hotdogs and nachos. We all had these cool "Trilogy Tuesday" all-day passes that we wore around our necks (kind of like our "Gathering" con badges)I'm going to put it with my collection of con badges. :) The New Line reps were there and gave everyone a free frame holder, with frames from each of the three films.

BAD:
- A Jerk who kept speaking Gollum's lines during "Towers".
- Sat next to a girl who was sick. At least she was kind enough to cough into a napkin.(!) (Hope it wasn't FLU!!!)

******* "sort of" Return of the King Spoilers *********
I'm sure there will be scenes in the extended edition that will make some elements more clear.

I won't go into details until I've seen what other's have to say. :)

***********End "sort of" Spoilers**********

Leo
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 07:21:21 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

I am searching for the Green Baron...there's soemoen ina green suit in Santa Barbara. What the hell....ah shi'ite!! That GB was a hologram and I just vaporized Neverland Ranch, but there was a NAMBLA Convention going on and those bastards are gone, too.

Revel> Whoever said I wasn't aiming for the target? I may have missed GB but the UK Guardian was a fun target too :)

So George Clooney wishes to challenge me...no problem ::pistolwhips George Clooney till he's dead::

Now, where is that Green Baron? Damn these holograms.

Bud-Clare> <<He who rules the cheese, rules the world... *plots* >> and the French have surrendered to us already.

Todd> I'll miss the work you and Ed do.

Ed> I can blast the BBC for you if you want :)
ghost of Reverend Attila
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 06:34:42 AM
IP: 218.145.25.48

Lord of the Rings - woot!!! THREE HOURS + of movie goodness *^_^* - I went and hour and a half before the start time and people were already seating @_@ ... yikes!!! But I snagged a primo spot, and except for the jerk on my right side who kept checking the time and blinding me with his blue lcd screen, was perfect.

Wheeeeeeeeee!!!

Gorgeous. Lotsa carnage. Lotsa fantastic panoramic views.

I'm so tired now... stayed through the credits - Annie Lennox does the end song, wheee - felt totally boneless by the end of the movie but still had to drive home.

me sleep now...
Mooncat >^,,^<
Mooncat
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 04:45:13 AM
IP: 68.102.17.133

lain> <<it does, doesnt it..?>>
He who rules the cheese, rules the world... *plots*
___________________________
Gside> <<You're converting to Discordianism?>>
No. I only said that I approved.

<<If you truly feel the need to dominate me.>>
What I feel the need to do is not the issue. I had standing orders to beat ass, so beat ass I shall.
_________________________
DPH> <<*dph opens another portal above Dottie dog and water comes out completely and utterly drenching dottie dog. From 4 different directions, lightning strike hit dottie dog's body, completely burning the outer layer of skin to a crisp.* >>
*beats dph's ass for harrassing a poor, defenseless dog*
Bud-Clare
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 04:25:10 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Lord of the Rings. Finished. *yawn* Sleepy. Maybe review later.

DPH: Have you ever tried to wash a dog? It takes more than one gush of water to get the suds out. Especially when dogs are sneaky about baths and tend to escape out of the backside of the tub, leap the toilet, and race away to freedom, suds and all. She's over here in the corner licking her wounds, then I guess. Looks like you've added a couple of new spots to my black and white dog. When all the wounds are licked, she will be back to chomp you, and your cat! :)

Vinnie: Dottie-dog reports the pies were deflected by the shell of her getting fried. (hows that for fair, DPH ;) ).

Sleep....must...sleeep.
Dezi
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 03:36:54 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Vinnie - <*Flips a switch on wristwatch and suddenly Mister Carter rockets it's way back into my hands.*> Sorry, you got the wrong gun. My "Mr Carter" doesn't fire pies but capsules that break to allow Creme Pies to escape. *dph yells "Command Override: Authorization DPH - Self Destruction." With that, Mr Carter v3.0 explodes.* I didn't steal your Mr Carter, just created an upgrade for myself. *A portal opens and another Mr Carter v3.0 comes out into dph's hand. DPH fires one capsule. In mid-air, the capsule breaks and suddenly 9 creme pies expand, flying in the same direction as the capsule was fired. All 9 Creme pies hit Vinnie. DPH says "Command Override: Authorization DPH. Disable all rockets and remote commands except those given by persons matching DPH's voice, fingerprints, retnal scan, and DNA.* Which side are you on? Green Baron's? If so, we really shouldn't be fighting. *light bulb clicks and DPH remembers the effects of DisHarmony*

Fire Storm - <But DisHarmony's job is too close to mine of causing chaos!> *thinks* Close but not quite. DisHarmony likes Flame Wars, I sure hope you don't. <Well, you got Space, and any opposing side in space would be seen as a threat to your independence, so naturally, you wouldn't allow me to have free reign in space, especially in near Earth space where your station is.> Wrong. I don't mind independent operations so long as your weapons are registered so that I can have defenses against them. I do not plan on granting asylum nor do have any intentions of declaring war. Therefore, there would be no reason to ever attack my space station so allowing me to have defenses against all your weapons wouldn't be a problem. What would it take to convince you that my space station (with more than adequate defenses) can peacefully coexist with any other operations? I never wanted space, just a place where I can guarantee my safety. An independent and self-sufficient space station fits the bill perfectly.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 03:16:22 AM
IP: 204.94.193.39

DPH: Really I never would have guessed. <*A portal opens and Mr Carter v3.0 falls into the hands of DPH*> HEY! That's mine. <By design, your version of Mr Carter has some . . serious weaknesses. One such weakness is that the ability to rapid fire is limited. My version has a smaller barrel because I use capsules which hold cream pies as ammo. The capsules break in mid-air after being fired. Since the capsules are shorter than the pies, I can always fire more ammo per second than you can.>*Flips a switch on wristwatch and suddenly Mister Carter rockets it's way back into my hands.* whispers: phew! He didn't recognize the interdemensional phase-shifting reloader. So he doesn't know that I have an entire fully stocked bakery making nothing but cream pies on the other end of the phase-shifter.<Unless you want a contest for who can fire the most cream pies per second, I suggest you watch your aim.> *Hits DPH in the face in retaliation for his insults.*

Dottie-dog:<And as for Green Bean the Usurper, I have my spies hooking me up with a sample of his blood to taste.> I suppose it's to bad for you then that I have decoy blood samples floating around that will lead you to people who live in the most interestingly disgusting places. And you will never know if you have a sample of Green Baron's blood until you follow the scents to there sources.*Hits you with a lacative laced cream pie again in the face.*

Z:<1. Why would Demona have flown away and not helped the others? She had intentions of using the council to acquire for herself a prominent "queen-like" position amongst the gargoyles. Why would she abandon them to a challenging fight rather than warn them and fight alongside them, perhaps even winning their favor?> Maybe she is just a coward at heart. Maybe when the others found out that she chose to ally with Darius, even temporarily, it would insure that none of the clans would trust her. Plus it was not her fight.

<2. Why would Darius unleash the Druj in the first place? He had wanted the council to be a success. What did he have to gain from using the Druj to kill all of the other gargoyles? The only explanation that I can come up with is that he wanted the gargoyles to win a battle together so that the council would grow closer together from the victory and maybe begin to see eye to eye and actually get somewhere. But based on that explanation, why would he have brought the Druj in the first place if he didn't know that there would be so much tension amongst the council ahead of time?> In the story it is inferred that Darius is either insane or a fool when he and Demona talk with the ghost. I personnally feel that it was hinted that Darius is insane. Does that clear things up for you.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 02:50:34 AM
IP: 216.234.99.238

Just got home from watching the LOTR trilogy. I get sleep now.
Leo
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 01:45:25 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

The difference a good reed makes.

Fire Storm> <<But that would mean that I would have to pay a dividend to the people giving me money>>: You could always claim the marriage itself made no profit, regardless of your individual incomes. But, depending on the wording, should you ever breed, you might have to slice up your progeny and distribute it among your investors.
<<Now see here! Just what are you trying to say?>>: Have you had sex? ... What's it like?
<<No... but I have my trusty student, Dr. Wellhung>>: I'll have to pass. Unless you can also promise me both Nurse Bountiful and Nurse Ambiguous.
<<Has he had a mid-life crisis yet?>>: Not that I can see, but he gets to blow things up and play with toys every day, so it's hard to tell.
<<The reason they aren't is because so few know about your rarity>>: Maybe I should let them know. There is government money in being the only one of your kind, right?
<>: As long as you don't repeat the footage to get a decent running time.
<>: You're Oppenheimer? Do you have any nuke plans lying around?
<<HOPEFULLY after the CR is updated (whenever), it will autosave the room>>: Every time a post is added, or every time it is wiped? And how will you handle the naming?

Lain> <<maybe after were married...>>: ...he won't have to drive three hours to hid the target?
<>: Far, far, overdue. But don't worry, I won't let that stop me.

DPH> <>: Given that my Word converted it to rather clean hml, the thing that took the longest was recentering the asterisks. That, and remembering vi commands for editing the editing page. Heck, I doubt that should even garner a credit.

Greg> <<but since Josh and SJ don't post anymore>>: You've been mostly absent pior to the declaration of hostilities, yourself.

Bud Clare> <>: You're converting to Discordianism?
<<Of Rats>>: Nah, he's too large, has an exoskeleton ou arond gooey bits (instead of just an endoskeleton), and can say things other than SQUEAK.
<<beats ass to even the score>>: If you truly feel the need to dominate me.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 01:15:27 AM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Dottie dog - Now, you're not playing fair. If you can hit me at any time without problems, then likewise, I have to be able to hit you at any time without problems. You can't have it where you can hit me and I can't hit you back. If you can't play fair, I'll talk to somebody about getting you kicked out of this war. Besides that, my flood of water that occured before the lightning strike would have removed any shampoo on your person. Or did you forget that little detail?

*dph opens another portal above Dottie dog and water comes out completely and utterly drenching dottie dog. From 4 different directions, lightning strike hit dottie dog's body, completely burning the outer layer of skin to a crisp.*
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:21:54 AM
IP: 204.94.193.27

I stumbled across this site about six months ago and have been reading the stories and playing catch up ever since. I have refrained from pestering you all with questions regarding the stories, as they were written and read by most people a long time ago, but I would like to present a couple of questions regarding a (relatively) recent episode.

In TGS's "The Council Pt. 3", Darius unleashes the Druj, and Demona esacpes and flies away. My two questions are as follows:

1. Why would Demona have flown away and not helped the others? She had intentions of using the council to acquire for herself a prominent "queen-like" position amongst the gargoyles. Why would she abandon them to a challenging fight rather than warn them and fight alongside them, perhaps even winning their favor?

2. Why would Darius unleash the Druj in the first place? He had wanted the council to be a success. What did he have to gain from using the Druj to kill all of the other gargoyles? The only explanation that I can come up with is that he wanted the gargoyles to win a battle together so that the council would grow closer together from the victory and maybe begin to see eye to eye and actually get somewhere. But based on that explanation, why would he have brought the Druj in the first place if he didn't know that there would be so much tension amongst the council ahead of time?

I'm just a little curious about these two things. I can understand if your recollections of this episode aren't the greatest as it was 2 years ago for most people. Also, I want to thank all of you for the outstanding work that you have all done with the various spinoffs. Please don't think that I'm complaining about the stories because the majority of them are awesome. I'm just a little perplexed about the intentions of Demona and Darius in this episode...or will all of this be better explained in season 4? Any insight/opinions you can offer would be appreciated.

Peace
Z
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:12:59 PM
IP: 67.66.145.74

DPH: Ah you have caught me in the middle of my bath (seriously, I'm all fluffy now after having dried off). Guess that's what happens when Evil Dezi is holding your leash while being pummeled by pies.
Anyhow, at the time of the lightening strike, I was covered in a nice thick coat of anti-flea shampoo suds. That charred up looking shell? It was just the shampoo. Ha! I am alive and well and, like a gargoyle, cracking out of my shell. Rarrgh! And, as I have tasted the blood of DPH, I can track him despite hologram decoys. And as for Green Bean the Usurper, I have my spies hooking me up with a sample of his blood to taste. (Like Bud-Clare said earlier). I will chomp every potential Usurper I come across. I bet Atilla will help me, right? By the way, DPH, I'm a girl dog! *Chomp!*

GregX: My lord, Most Evil One. I am but merely awaiting your orders. I think I am close to the real Usurper! C'mon!
Dottie-dog
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:14:26 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Here I am again. Michael Moore had simple directions and accidntally wandered into North Korea where the starving residents of Pynogyang ripped him apart and ate him.

No matter, George Soros and Ted Turner have given me their bank info, so more money to use against you GXB. Bwa hahaha :p

Todd> Sorry about not mentioning itearlier, but I will miss your wonderful Pendragon, however I won't begrudge you the time off. If one were to revive, I hope they'd ask you for advice.

DPH> Good work. Here, have 10 million dollars of George Soros's money :)

Now, it seems that almost all of Holywood and the Upper West Side of Manhattan have gven me ank info to battle Attila. I never knew he had this many enemies.
Le Baron Vert - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Catch me if you can
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:05:03 PM
IP: 220.73.165.203

*activates Project Double as a means of increasing Green Baron's safety.*

My master has decided to every 10 minutes, double the number of holograms of Green Baron around the world, this process will continue until there is at least 1 hologram of the Green Baron in every city, suburb, town, and slum around the entire world. My master may let the process continue until he is assured that is virtually impossible to look for Green Baron without running a hologram of him at least twice in an hour.
dph's hologram
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 09:47:30 PM
IP: 204.94.193.75

12 page research paper due tomorrow and I have only done 2. Feel too sick to write. (stomach flu, not that full blown monster that is out there right now)

Lain: <huzzah! that would be most shiney>
Yes! Then LM won't be as busy!

Greg: <Clearly I am the most evil person in this comment room>
Hey! I am evil too!
<We shall spare Switzerland. They have cheese and chocolate... but we're taking their gold!>
HUZZAH!

Bud-Clare: <Successful world domination isn't fun?>
Yes it is, but getting there is half the fun!

Todd: 
Well, aside from the RP war (oh my god... it IS an RP war! HELP!), the topic seems to simply have 2 sides: those who agree with the decision and those that don't. And this room hasn't been quite the place for rational discussions in the past few years, now has it?
<The characters will still be making guest-star appearances in "Gargoyles";>
Which is a good decision.
So, are you totally leaving the TGS staff, or just not going to have your own series (honestly, it is YOUR (and Ed) series, isn't it?)

DPH: <Last time I checked I created DisHarmony>
But DisHarmony's job is too close to mine of causing chaos!
<How does my independent and self-sufficient space station intefer with those rights?>
Well, you got Space, and any opposing side in space would be seen as a threat to your independence, so naturally, you wouldn't allow me to have free reign in space, especially in near Earth space where your station is.
Fire Storm
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 08:16:45 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

*A group of security guards calmly approach Dottie-dog and gently rescue DPH from Dottie-dog and escort him outside. DPH's hologram appears in the cr.*

Dottie-dog - Hurting my master was a mistake. The old rp rules said you had to have permission to harm another person's character. [That's why my master has been very carefull not to go on the war-path but instead stick to defensive counter-measures.] In this case, getting permission to harm my master . . . involves character wishing to harm him receiving a whole magnitude of punishment stronger than that being dished out. Also, technically you're wrong. My master is an ally of Green Baron, not a minion.

*a portal opens above dottie-dog's body and water flows out, effectively completely drenching dottie-dog. Suddenly, from 3 different sides, lightning strikes poor dottie-dog and continues to strike him until dottie-dog is burnt to a crisp on the outside.*

*DPH's hologram disappears and DPH walks back into the cr, wearing full body armor, which is non magnetic and is insulated against electric attacks*

Vinnie - I don't care which side I am on and which some other people whom I care about are on, when comes to defense and attacking of people. *A portal opens and Mr Carter v3.0 falls into the hands of DPH* By design, your version of Mr Carter has some . . serious weaknesses. One such weakness is that the ability to rapid fire is limited. My version has a smaller barrel because I use capsules which hold cream pies as ammo. The capsules break in mid-air after being fired. Since the capsules are shorter than the pies, I can always fire more ammo per second than you can. Unless you want a contest for who can fire the most cream pies per second, I suggest you watch your aim.

Fire Storm - <Ok, first you take Space, and now you take MY job?!?> Last time I checked I created DisHarmony. I brought her back as living weapon to turn the tide of this war against GXB. Since GXB has more people on his side, that's means more in-fighting will occur on GXB's side than on Green Baron's side. Who says in-fighting isn't a good thing as long your enemy has more of it than you do? <Imzadi gave me shipping rights in space for at least a century and colonization and mining rights on any unoccupied body
(including the asteroids)> How does my independent and self-sufficient space station intefer with those rights?
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 07:32:49 PM
IP: 204.94.193.23

View My webpage and sign my guestbook!
Kiefer Anderson - [scaryness@hotmail.com]
scottsdale, AZ, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 03:45:42 PM
IP: 199.195.109.4

Dezi:<*Defends the best dog ever by knocking her out of the way, just in time, and shoving Vinnie and Mr. Carter into the blubber folds. Then proceeds to beat Moore's ass. He falls over and Mr. Carter explodes.*> *Saves Mister Carter just in time and then proceeds to pummel Dezi with cream pies.*<Ha! Well that's the end of that.> That's how it really ends.

Todd Jensen:<(I was expecting more of a discussion on the issue here; I suppose that the reason why there hasn't been one in this room so far is the fact that our announcement coincided with the little "RP war" between Green Baron and Bishansky which distracted almost everyone here.)> Poor Pendragon another casualty of a senseless war. I suppose you can't really blame people for avoiding such a painful topic. Real wounds hurt!

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 03:31:05 PM
IP: 216.234.99.28

Michael Moore: Ha! Just try it! *Defends the best dog ever by knocking her out of the way, just in time, and shoving Vinnie and Mr. Carter into the blubber folds. Then proceeds to beat Moore's ass. He falls over and Mr. Carter explodes.* Ha! Well that's the end of that.

Vinnie: <Well the media is guilty of surpressing stories so they could stay in Iraq under Saddam.> I feel I must defend the media. Ok if you're technically a guest in a tyrannical dictator's country (and I say guest, because he could take away any and all of your privileges in a heart beat and lock you up and have you tortured) and your basic reason for being there is to report that this man really really is a lunatic tyrannical dictator, and you know full well what he is capable of, don't tell me you wouldn't do the same thing. (Talking first Gulf War on this one, it was a different story this time, with all that embedded crap). It's not called suppressing stories, it's called playing it smart, getting out what news you can, and maintaining your ability to remain in the country so you can still report. If I marched in there, reported everything I saw, told it exactly how it was, no mercy, I would have been kicked out in a heart beat, and no more reporting from me. And fat chance I would ever be allowed back in. Not only that, but if I wasn't careful, I could have very well pissed him off so much that he would kick out my colleagues from every other news outlet, and then _no one_ could report. We would have to depend on the release of military intelligence, and you know how propaganda-laced that is, especially during a time of war.
So not so much suppressing stories, more like picking and choosing your fights.
Dezi
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:38:15 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

::Blare of Trumpets::

It's new! It's shiny! And it's just for *YOU* to talk about the 2004 Gathering of the Gargoyles.

Updates. Ride and Room Share. Speculation about Guests! It's all good.

http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/phpbb2/index.php

or click my name to go straight to the Gathering 2004 Message Board.

Don't forget: The Gathering makes a perfect gift! Buy your favorite TGS'r a Supporting or Full Membership, A Banquet Reservation, a Tee Shirt or even subsidize their Art Show Entry!

You could even get them a copy of "THE PHOENIX GATE ANTHOLOGY."

You've started YOUR ENTRY, right? (I'm looking at you Todd and Ed - now that you don't have Pendragon weighing you down)

In fact, In the spirit of the recent RP wars, I'm throwing down a gauntlet. There is way too much creativity in this room not to see an entry from each and every one of you.
2000 - 4000 words about the Phoenix Gate by March 1st.
See the Contest Page for full details.

Oh and for those involved in the recent bout of RP? - We have the perfect team event soon to be announced. Why not duke it out IN PERSON August 6-8th?

::I now return you to your regularly scheduled comment room still in progress::
kathy - clickie! - [volunteer@gatheringofthegargoyles.com]
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 08:41:54 AM
IP: 66.82.195.100

QUESTION - I must admit, you're the first person here who has protested against the end of "Pendragon". (I was expecting more of a discussion on the issue here; I suppose that the reason why there hasn't been one in this room so far is the fact that our announcement coincided with the little "RP war" between Green Baron and Bishansky which distracted almost everyone here.)

But the point is that Ed and I (who had wound up doing almost all the work on "Pendragon" except for the Art) had both felt the need to resign from TGS and move on to other matters after we completed Season Four. And since we'd been, in essence, the "Pendragon" staff, our departure wouldn't bode well for the continuation of the series; in order for it to continue, it would have to mean a completely new staff with no experience of working on the first four seasons, which would mean trouble. (As in - remember, one of the big reasons why the Goliath Chronicles was such poor quality was that most of the people who worked on the first two seasons, including Greg Weisman himself, had left and most of the new people, such as Eric Lewald, were newcomers to "Gargoyles".) Therefore, discontinuing "Pendragon" (at a point when, fortunately, we had some overall resolution) seemed like the only thing to do.

The characters will still be making guest-star appearances in "Gargoyles"; it's just that they won't have their own spin-off any more.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 07:10:03 AM
IP: 63.186.1.178

I have joined GB's side against Attila. Dottie dog looks tatsy. I will put her between two layers of blubber in my belly and she will be unconscious since I haven't showered in so long, the French think I stink. Now off to the Eiffel McDonald's to have 520 big macs, 300 shakes, and a diet coke :)

::ground shakes as he leaves::
Michael Moore - [mchaelmoore@fatbastard.com]
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 05:51:06 AM
IP: 218.145.25.16

lain:***breath, breath***<maybe you should try exercising it then ;)> I do use my sense of humor, but unless I tone it back like I do I'd probably end up getting banned from the CR. <uh, no. youve got your definitions mixed up there. the word "terrorism" is being flung about inappropriately far too much these days...> I was referring to his actions before the War In Iraq. <oh, you mean like how the media is taking a "light hand" and "surpressing the stories" of GW's alliance with, say, the leader of uzbekistan?> Well the media is guilty of surpressing stories so they could stay in Iraq under Saddam. <who appears to be, by all accounts, just as bad as saddam? o.O> Interesting point, but excluding Israel how many stable Democratic governments exist in the region to ally with? <how bizzare.. o.O> Bizzare.. Not really just a dream.

Greg Bishansky:<I'll take credit for whatever I damn well please.> Your perogative, but it's also my perogative to use Mister Carter on you.*Hits Greg with a cream pie*< but we're taking their gold! ;)> Gotta do something to keep you humble.

Bud-Clare:<Bush does, so why not Greg? :P> So does Clinton and Gore, but it does not make it right.<*beats ass for wasting pies*> *Hits Bud-Clare in the head with a pie* Take that no one stops my pies of DOOM!;)
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 03:43:10 AM
IP: 216.234.99.247

DPH:<No, it was the Christmas season that enabled Saddam to be captured, because as we all know, Saddam wasn't captured before the Christmas season started. > You know what I think happened for really? Saddam pissed off Santa Clause. Yeah that's it. Never anger fat men in red suits. They will beat your ass and stick you in a hole in the ground. And then the evil reindeer of hell will beat their hooves on the ground to better hide you, and also to rain pebbles down on you. Never ever anger the Santa. Hmmmm. Would that make Dezi's dad a minion of Santa....wait, Santa minions are called elves. *Chomps DPH for confusing the dog* *Chomps DPH again for being a minion of Green Bean the Usurper* Rarrrgh!
Dottie-dog
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 02:54:23 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Question - <Hopefully you guys will come to your senses and go on with a season 5 of Pendragon.> Trust me, in tgs, doing any project is rarely a question of what we *want* to do, but instead the question is who is available to work on it. Also, at any given time, there's generally more stuff being worked than most non tgs staffers are aware of. Generally, TGS staff tries to write stories for one series while writing the outlines for another series at the same time just to keep as little delay as possible between series being released.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 01:53:17 AM
IP: 204.94.193.32

no warm things to drink :(

question>> <<Hopefully you guys will come to your senses and go on with a season 5 of Pendragon>> you seem to be getting the mistaken impression that we dont WANT to do a fifth season of "pendragon"... which is simply not the case.
wed LOVE to do another season of "pendragon", its just that.. you may have noticed how much work is credited to todd and ed on the released TGS staff page? with whom do you suggest we fill their shoes? val and i have fond fantasies of taking over the project but seeing as how were currently doing for "bad guys" what todd and ed did for "pendragon" - and everyone else is up to their gills working on OTHER stuff for TGS so.. i dont see how that would be possible currently.
<<Also what exactly happened to that recruitment drive that you guys were going to announce after the season finale>> uuuh, its happening. tgs_info@yahoo.com - check it out. there have been several responses already so i KNOW the announcement wasnt THAT obscure.. o.O
.. it is rather frustrating when people snark about tgs' "lack-of-whatever", and then dont lift a finger to help...

great lord greg>> <<That apple was for me. Clearly I am the most evil person in this comment room>> currently, yes - but i have much darker designs for this apple.. *whispers into her lords waiting ear, watching a malavolant grin spread across his face as she does so*
.. mwa ha ha, i knew youd approve...

bud-clare>> <<That explains so much...>> it does, doesnt it..? <<*raids fridge for cheese*>> *joins raid, bringing toast onto which to melt said cheese*

i really should stop posting for the night...
lain
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 01:23:22 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

GXB - <I'll take credit for whatever I damn well please.> I disagree about the cause. <Saddam was brought to justice under Martian Law! Not before.> No, it was the Christmas season that enabled Saddam to be captured, because as we all know, Saddam wasn't captured before the Christmas season started.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 01:08:59 AM
IP: 204.94.193.32

Vinnie> <<Oh great and powerful one (rolleyes) you really shouldn't take credit for things you have no power over.>>
Bush does, so why not Greg? :P

<<Take cover as my never ending supply of pies are shot out from Mister Carter.>>
*beats ass for wasting pies*
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lain> <<did you know its possible to become biochemically addicted to cheese? i am SO there...>>
That explains so much... *raids fridge for cheese*
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Spacebabie> <<she glares at everyone before she tosses a golden apple into the room.>>
Too bad it wasn't golden chocolate. _That_ would be something. I do approve of your Eris-ness, though.
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Fire Storm> <<Yeah, but where's the fun in that?>>
Successful world domination isn't fun?

<<Hmm... the Curse of the Contagious Typo?>>
You can only hope.

<<Yes. I am Death>>
Of Rats.
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Gside> <<If you were to declare a nation on Mars, internationality doesn't stop outside the atmosphere.>>
That's reaching. Interplanetary law would apply, but only if we agreed to honor it. Which we wouldn't. So nyah. :P

<<And a point for me.>>
*beats ass to even the score*

<<But Albert, Ysabell, and Mort still need it.>>
Trivial.
Bud-Clare
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 01:07:05 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Now, now lain. That apple was for me. Clearly I am the most evil person in this comment room. It was unclear for a while, but since Josh and SJ don't post anymore, there is really no competition... besides, I was more evil than them anyway.

VINNIE> I'll take credit for whatever I damn well please. Saddam was brought to justice under Martian Law! Not before.

To my Martian Knights> We shall spare Switzerland. They have cheese and chocolate... but we're taking their gold! ;)
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:59:39 AM
IP: 216.179.1.151

Hopefully you guys will come to your senses and go on with a season 5 of Pendragon. Also what exactly happened to that recruitment drive that you guys were going to announce after the season finale.
Question
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:59:15 AM
IP: 144.92.164.204

The TGS staff credits for those who brought us Pendragon Season 4 have been updated on the TGS staff page.

On a personal note, I would like to thank Gside for keeping me from going crazy. Some of you might not be aware, but all the stories prior to "The Godslayer" were html edited by me. Thankfully, the timely recruitment of Gside enabled the task of html edits to be split among two people for the remainder of the season.

I am also pleased to announce that the TGS staff is working hard on a Christmas present for its readers. When the present is ready to be unwrapped, more information will be forthcoming.
DPH - [<-Click here to read the credits]
AR, USA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:27:11 AM
IP: 204.94.193.26

*uuuuugh* cant sleep :P im supposed to be waking up in 2 1/2 hours to get ready to drive val to his 3am shift at "le target" - which is half an hour away, even at that ungodly time of night.
today is gonna suck, i can tell. :P

gside>> <<...cream you'll allow to cover yourself. I didn't know you were into that>> well... maybe after were married...i wouldnt rule anything out ;)
i was actually going more for the "cream pie" reference but.. whatever. i think perhaps this discussion is overdue for closure...

fs>> <<That's always good. HOPEFULLY after the CR is updated (whenever), it will autosave the room>> huzzah! that would be most shiney :)

*lurches off in search of something warm and soothing - and hopefully sleepy-making - to drink*
lain
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:19:26 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Scythe

Bud-Clare: <Non-amateurish>
Yeah, but where's the fun in that?
<You've already smited yourself with the Typo of Doom, so what do I have to fear?>
Hmm... the Curse of the Contagious Typo?

Gside: 
But that would mean that I would have to pay a dividend to the people giving me money. Stocks are more of an investment, so I would have to eventually pay them back, probably with interest.
<So the Lady engoys... pho-tography, eh? Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more? Let me know if you convince her.>
Now see here! Just what are you trying to say?
<Nurse Lavish isn't available?>
No... but I have my trusty student, Dr. Wellhung
<It's been too late too long ago.>
Perhaps you are right...
Wait. Has he had a mid-life crisis yet?
<What do you expect? Him ot almost burn a church down? Wait, he already did that>
YES! BURN the church!
<Therefore everyone should be fighting over me>
Yes. The reason they aren't is because so few know about your rarity
<What percentage as catgirls? With a plug in tail, of course>
That would depend on the type of convention, but even then, the number would be random.
BUT I think we can edit the video stock to get acceptable numbers.
<To paraphrase someone else: THERE IS NO JUSTICE THERE IS ONLY YOU>
Yes. I am Death

DPH: <That was the price of my alliance with him. I'm not sure I can trust the other side and I can have my self-sufficient space station so that I can protect myself from would-be killers.>
Imzadi gave me shipping rights in space for at least a century and colonization and mining rights on any unoccupied body (including the asteroids)

Ok, first you take Space, and now you take MY job?!?
THAT'S IT! Where's my scythe?

Question: <This is too funny for words>
I know!
"Wait! If you stop buying from us, we demand that you still pay us!"

Captain Euro: <Surely this problem can be solved diplomatically>
But were mostly Americans! We don't care about diplomacy!
<why are you beating my ass in a unilateral form not approved by International Law?>
Again, we are Americans. We care little about International Law

Archwolf: 
Unfortunately, I have to say no on that. Too suspicious. Besides... a death sentence is virtually guaranteed.
As for him getting the living Shi'te beat out of him...

Greg: <See, this is why under Martian Law, Lawyers, doctors and other wizards are FORBIDDEN!>
Oh wise leader, why are Doctors not allowed?
As for Wizards, won't our side need them incase the enemy does?
<BAH, I will descend upon my enemies like a wolf among sheep. The streets will run red with the blood of my enemies!!!!!>
YES! Feel the blood flowing though your fingers! Revel in the smell of their dead bodies!
<Besides, who'll miss Switzerland anyway?>
I like Swiss chocolate, the army knife, watches, and Geiger's bar

ghost of Reverend Attila: <The UN has issued a condemnation of Mars for its persecution of a fedual Scottish warlord and for employing me>
So? Give me one reason why we should worry?

Lain: 
That's always good. HOPEFULLY after the CR is updated (whenever), it will autosave the room.
Fire Storm
Monday, December 15, 2003 11:55:09 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Greg> <<Besides, who'll miss Switzerland anyway?>>: Clock enthusiasts, and people who like holes in their cheese. And I'm not sure what I'd do without my Swiss army knives.

Dottie> <<as long as her dad says its secret, whatever>>: A fair answer.

Bud Clare> <<International law doesn't apply to Mars, you moron>>: If you were to declare a nation on Mars, internationality doesn't stop outside the atmosphere.
<>: But I am sure you shall have some other tasks to accomplish before the war is out.
<<Ick. Just ick>>: And a point for me.
<<He's too cool for plumbing>>: But Albert, Ysabell, and Mort still need it.

Jaden> <<My College Algebra final was murder>>: I'm sorry, it's just that with my preparation and engineering courses, the juxtaposition of college and algebra rings something wrong with me.

Attila> <<I'll lock you in a room and make you listen to a debate between Ross Perot, Joe Lieberman, and Jimmy Carter>>: I can filter out politicality pretty well, so I only have to fear boredom if there is nothing else to do in there.
<<whiel being exiled to Newark>>: I'm already in Jersey, and I like it. Besides, it's Camden that's the sinkhole of poverty.

Lain> <<theres only ONE conservative whose>>: ...cream you'll allow to cover yourself. I didn't know you were into that.

Spacebabie> <<To the most evil>>: Too bad you generally need three factions to make the reference work, and I'm not going for evil. Just my usual amalgam of wierd, geeky, and perverse.

Lain> <<cute girls are ALWAYS allowed to cover me in pie-related products>>: So you're into rebound Buck Cake, too?

Green Baron> <<excpet the Marquis D' Sade>>: And what about his buddy, Baron Leopold von Sacher-Masoch?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, December 15, 2003 11:50:52 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Enough of this French gibberish! Get him! *chomp!*
Dottie-dog
Monday, December 15, 2003 10:33:50 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Mais Ous, Leo. Meric beacoup.

Le Chirac Merde!!! Glory to the Borboun dynasty and all nobles murdered by the scum of Paris 200 years ago, excpet the Marquis D' Sade. He was one sick puppy.
Le Baron Vert
Monday, December 15, 2003 10:25:03 PM
IP: 218.145.25.16

Excuse me, Le Baron Vert. :p
Anonymous
Monday, December 15, 2003 09:51:38 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Green Barron:> was THIS the link you wanted to show us? ;)
Leo - [<-Try THIS one. ;)]
Monday, December 15, 2003 09:46:57 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

9th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, December 15, 2003 09:39:53 PM
IP: 68.37.159.199

Eighth.
Bud-Clare
Monday, December 15, 2003 09:33:18 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Lucky #7. Click on my name for a funny pic
Green Baron - [greenabron@hotmail.com]
Monday, December 15, 2003 09:23:35 PM
IP: 218.145.25.16

Six!
Dezi
Monday, December 15, 2003 09:18:48 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

5th.
Leo
Monday, December 15, 2003 08:06:59 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

#4

Vash>> <<weird time to clear the room>> well, it has to be done sometime - i should have done it last night but i totally forgot! :P
i should be in bed right now (i have to get up at 1am and go driving a whole bunch) so i couldnt really have done it then. sorry!!!
(and better luck next time)

fs>> <<Ah, either way, I am 3rd and the previous week wasn't nuked, so all is good>> i always save before i wipe - juuuust in case. no worries :)
lain
Monday, December 15, 2003 07:24:25 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Ah, either way, I am 3rd and the previous week wasn't nuked, so all is good.
Fire Storm
Monday, December 15, 2003 07:21:51 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Vash - it isn't coincidence the cr got wiped when it did. Later tonight, I'll be updating the credits page for tgs staff.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, December 15, 2003 07:18:06 PM
IP: 204.94.193.32

2nd? weird time to clear the room
Vash
Monday, December 15, 2003 07:09:37 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Top 10, #1?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, December 15, 2003 07:06:42 PM
IP: 204.94.193.32