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[Sorry to hear 'Dark Ages' is so far behind now. It was pretty far along last I saw. ]

uhh...I know you were on the list as I am now, so you saw the same things I did, and I have no clue why you would say you thought it was far along. All there was was a double-handful of 4-year-old story suggestions, most of which it was fairly obvious why they hadn't been used (besides the time contraints). They had no relevance at all to eachother, often contained contradictory plot elements, and had a few of the most out-of-character developments I've seen this side of the fanfic archive. Certainly nothing resembling a coherent season, and nothing ready to be written into actual stories.

and there are a couple people working on re-reading both seasons of DA to see what needs to be done (it's not just TD, it's all of TGS we're plot-thread seeking) as well as just how much is salvageable from the old suggestion sheets.

DA isn't stopped progressing, it's just that TD5 is *further along*, and will very likely be ready for posting far before DA3. It's got a few stories in breakdowns, and quite a few outlines ready to be turned into breakdowns and actually written.

Annie: if you mean that, go ahead and send me a sample of writing, I'll pass it on to the list. Lynati_1@hotmail.com
Lynati
Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:40:56 PM
IP: 64.218.107.208

Fire Storm> <<No, your doomed. *I* am an Operator>>: You know VMS?
<<They found Weird Al's parents dead on Friday>>: That's not good. Carbon Monoxide is a very bad thing.
<<They found Weird Al's parents dead on Friday>>: But the point of those videos is that they don't remain bored for the duration.
<<Why, you offering?>>: Constantly.
<<Sex is good, yes, but due to... circumstances>>: Spat witht the Lady?
<<What's mine is hers and what's hers is hers>>: Exactly, but it could also run the other way depending on tastes and gifts.
<<Wait... are you actually going to PAY that?>>: I essentially am living with an auditor. She's even managed to get the IRS to apologize to her.
<<Isn't that REALLY what life is about? Scaring the future generations?>>: It is, but you're not going to get corporations to admit to it.
<<Is it that obvious that I am in the middle of an evil streak due to reading BOFH?>>: No, it's only a tiny shit for you.

DPH> <<starts looking around for slowest moving object on Earth that can be proved to be in motion>>: Check out the search for absolute zero (and Bose-Einstein Condensate).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:01:51 PM
IP: 69.141.213.204

*coughs as she pops in* Been a while...

Just came by to plug in one of mine (as with Christi Hayden's) favorite artists made a picture of Ariana inspired by Christi's "Tengu" part 4... *drools as she just finished rereading it four times already*

Sailor Ari has an upgrade ;)
Heather - [<--- Clickie]
Warner Robins, Georgia, USA
Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:52:50 PM
IP: 68.99.145.168

I really miss the days when this cr was wiped sometime Saturday or Sunday.

Ed - I disagree. He's the perfect character. < the stories often felt inconsequential > I have to agree to that. I felt the past seasons had way too many stand-alone stories. Brooklyn showed up, saved the day, and didn't deal with the consequences of his choice often enough. "Sun & Serpent" is the exception to this rule. The whole "Sun and the Serpent" storyline came completely out of the blue with only 1 story in season 1 hinting about it. It was like "City of Stone" would have been if up to that point, Macbeth had 1 story. The whole arc with Sun & Serpent is a major arc in TD but barely hinted about in Season 1. Plus, I really dislike the episodes "Requiem" and "Games Without Frontiers" because I felt that nailed down the future too much. Yes, I believe in having the Timeline worked out, but I don't believe in using Timedancer as a means of putting events on the Timeline.

Happy belated birthday Stephen.

*starts looking around for slowest moving object on Earth that can be proved to be in motion.*

No fair, I must not run out of flan, must not run out of flan, . .
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:33:41 PM
IP: 67.14.195.26

Lynati: Sorry to hear 'Dark Ages' is so far behind now. It was pretty far along last I saw. I hope you're able to find people to man the series soon, though.

By "man the series," how far behind is Dark Ages? Is it clear back in development or are you still short on writers? There is at least ME who loves that series over all the rest. If it comes down to just needing someone to write for it, let me know and I'll scrape up some sort of writing sample following the dark ages storyline. But seriously though, where is the series at?

Annie - [sky_warrior17@hotmail.com]
ID
Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:27:27 PM
IP: 208.187.168.80

Waited a while to reply so I wouldnt have 2 posts so very close together and because it wasnt exactly a gargoyles oriented one...

Ed -- Actually there is a big difference between the O levels in the past and the present exams... The difference is the current exam scores are partially based on your work in whatever school you were in etc... The O-Levels were a test plain and simple -- you didnt have to take any courses or anything -- if you passed the test, you passed the test. The other thing is that on the old O-Levels you had to at least do fairly well to pass -- the new exams have all kinds of lower level sorta passings etc.
silvadel
Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:19:51 PM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Gside: <No wonder they're *bored* housewives.>
Not if the videos on the net are of any measure.
<What about sex?>
Why, you offering?
Sex is good, yes, but due to... circumstances, I fill that void with a bit 'o ultraviolence
<Legally, no. For playtime division, yes.>
What's mine is hers and what's hers is hers! ;)
<In unrelated news, the only tax I have to pay this year is sales tax on my internet purchase of Cowboy Bebop.>
Wait... are you actually going to PAY that?
<Can't be scarring the little kiddies for life now, can we?>
Um... why not? Isn't that REALLY what life is about? Scaring the future generations?
...
Is it that obvious that I am in the middle of an evil streak due to reading BOFH?
Fire Storm
Sunday, April 11, 2004 07:48:17 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Fire Storm:> Wierd Al's parents - Yeah, I saw something about that on another site. It said they accidentally left the fireplace flue closed and died of carbon monoxide poisoning. Sad. :(
Leo
Sunday, April 11, 2004 03:12:56 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Oh, I just found this out and thought I should tell everyone...

They found Weird Al's parents dead on Friday
Fire Storm
Sunday, April 11, 2004 01:12:30 PM
IP: 68.252.133.71

Gside: <That does it, we're all doomed. But wait, having operators any more is rare, we could be saved>
No, your doomed. *I* am an Operator!
Fire Storm
Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:55:00 PM
IP: 68.252.133.71

Vinnie> <<But at least I don't go around acting like a CHILD calling people names!>>

'Moron' is not a name. ;)
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:00:52 PM
IP: 216.179.3.81

Lynati: Sorry to hear 'Dark Ages' is so far behind now. It was pretty far along last I saw. I hope you're able to find people to man the series soon, though.

Silvadel: No difference. The GCSEs are the evolution of the O-level, but they're the same exam.

'Timedancer' bad points: Well, it's always been my least favourite series. I don't think Brooklyn is a strong enough character to helm it, really, and Season Two is the only one where the writing consistently worked. Season One lacked strong character interaction for the most part, and the stories often felt inconsequential. Many Season Three episodes suffered from "sequel-itus": continuing on perfectly good stories in ways that didn't always seem necessary. I didn't think the season arc suited the series, either. Season Four was too focused on set-up I suspect. The Harthoth/Apep angle has tread water so long that the cliffhanger ending doesn't really capture me at all, and while the new Unseelie stories were the most tense and dramatic, they also felt the most redundant and (so far) quite shallowly characterised. I also think it's a shame for 'Pendragon' that the futures of Merlin and Mary were revealed. Inevitably, it took some of the fun out of writing them. Of course, 'Timedancer' has some great individual episodes and is pretty ambitious. I think the writing staff did fairly well within the confines of the concept, but there's only so much you can do with Brooklyn when you know who he is at the end of the day. Perhaps if Brooklyn had settled in a location for some time and developed a strong mini-arc. Of course, as soon as Brooklyn settled in the 2160s, the supporting cast frequently came to be put in the spotlight more than he was.
Ed
Sunday, April 11, 2004 06:55:20 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

Greg Bishansky: I should really just ignore you rude comments..... But at least I don't go around acting like a CHILD calling people names!

Question: Thank,I think.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, April 11, 2004 03:24:06 AM
IP: 66.103.227.142

I am very holy now, having gone to Easter Vigil mass, al hour 45 minutes of it. And on a somewhat related note, I have decided that someone should found the First Agnostic Church and build it in a Schrödinger box.
In unrelated news, the only tax I have to pay this year is sales tax on my internet purchase of Cowboy Bebop.

Lynat> <<Feedback, pretty please?>>: I think you might have done something to the cut portion of the flesh around the lips.

SRS Jr.> <>: Nor is mine. I only know three Ukranian toasts. That, and "Da dupa speyavas." And I don't even know how to spell that or the other two toasts.

Krista> <<How come they never show Deadly Force on TV?>>: It shows blood, the serious wounding of a main character, and actual real gun use. Can't be scarring the little kiddies for life now, can we?

Brutis> <<mouire>>: Muri. There is a list of all the spells on the main GF site.

Fire Storm> <<From the ones I've talked to, they prefer battery-operated devices to animate tentacles>>: No wonder they're *bored* housewives.
<<There are not many things that are more fun than watching elder gods fight!>>: What about sex?
<<Does it really matter at they point?>>: Legally, no. For playtime division, yes.
<>: You've learned of the existance of the BOFH? That does it, we're all doomed. But wait, having operators any more is rare, we could be saved.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, April 11, 2004 01:02:25 AM
IP: 69.141.213.204

Just finished watching "Future Tense" -- with one flick of the talon Goliath hurls the phoenix gate into its own flame thus consigning Brooklyn to 40 years of timedancing.

It also showed me where you guys got the pictures of future brooklyn -- they were right there in that episode... I think the last time I saw that episode was 1996 ;)

----

As for the OWLs in rowlings works, they are not modeled after the current GSCE tests in england -- they are actually more like the earlier O-Level exams that Rowling actually remembers etc from when she was a girl.

It would be nice if she enjoyed writing the books more -- as it stands she has pretty much said that after book 7 thats it...

I mean artists of that level should continue their masterworks... I was saddened when Billy Joel stopped writing popular music also.

---

As I type this into my dialup as my digital modem seems to be flaking out more and more -- Going to have to set up an appointment to have it changed out as the other computers' one seems to work much more consistantly.
silvadel
Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:41:13 AM
IP: 66.212.6.125

Greg: Dude, while it's true nobody here really likes Question, and he's further insulting us by refusing to accept that he has been banned, that was a relaly F***ing stupid thing to say to him. Come on, man, you're supposed to be an admin here. There's no proof whatsoever that Question's trollish habits or repeated attempts to make people pay attention to him through idiotic means comes from him being molested, or his inability to get laid. That's just flame-baiting, and poorly thought-out bait at that.

*basks in Bachue commentary* ...thanks y'all. : )
Lynati
Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:39:36 PM
IP: 66.142.52.89

QUESTION> <<Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.>>

Wow, how clever of you. ::rolls eyes::

You do realize you are banned don't you. Of course you'll probably find yet another new IP or slither along in with another name. You just have so much time on your hands don't you. I'll bet your a pathetic loser in real life who can't get laid, except for when his daddy molests him.

Only explanation I can think of for all your trollish behavior.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:30:41 PM
IP: 216.179.3.81

Ed<It's not surprising that Rowling didn't reveal the exam results. OWLS are pretty blatantly modelled on GCSE exams in the UK, and those results aren't released until the middle of August, outside her usual time-frame. >

Actually it is quite suprising seeing how George and Fred got their results after the events in Book III: POA, but the books are just loaded with these minor continuity errors.
Question
Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:00:07 PM
IP: 142.163.196.37

<You're a moron, I would offer constructive critisism on your whole personality, but I would not even know there to begin. Not that I see anything about you worth being constructive about in you. >

Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.

Question
Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:57:17 PM
IP: 142.163.196.37

Stephen > Happy birthday!

Lynati > That's pretty darn cool. Reminds me of some displays I've seen in the natural history museum.

118 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!

Patrick
Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:37:04 PM
IP: 65.43.162.204

Bud-Clare: 
It is something I bet they wish they never said.
<It's a hideous amount of work. I'm mildly awed that anyone has that kind of energy to spare.>
I AM rather surprised that it is still going on. Although, if you look at it, there isn't any original staff members on the active staff.

Gside: <Have you double checked that with bored housewives?>
From the ones I've talked to, they prefer battery-operated devices to animate tentacles
<And the battles will add that extra zing to your reception>
Yeah! There are not many things that are more fun than watching elder gods fight!
<You get to keep them, or the Lady gets to keep them?>
Does it really matter at they point?
<Makes trying to find them that much more fun>
Yeah... but it confuses my little ones. No well defined face... not real chest...
<If it's someone else's code, I'd hope you could hand it back to them to fix (at least if it is fresh unworking code; modifying old code is something else).>
Yeah... which reminds me... should I put notes in my code?
...
Na... that would be helpful, and I have a whole new take on helping people thanks to Simon, the BOFH!

Greg: <Well, SOMEONE had to say it.>
Glad you stepped up to the plate on that one!
Fire Storm
Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:07:18 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

drat.
Krista
Saturday, April 10, 2004 09:49:21 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201

Vinnie> You're a moron, I would offer constructive critisism on your whole personality, but I would not even know there to begin. Not that I see anything about you worth being constructive about in you.

::Looks around the room:: Well, SOMEONE had to say it.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, April 10, 2004 07:39:43 PM
IP: 216.179.3.81

pheinox flame drops me in room i perch on a window ledge and look over room.

<feedback please!> verry cool kinda creapy but very cool

happy birthday to you happy birthday to you<<<<< somone chokes me, somone elsee hits me with tail>>>>>>

i hope they keep he TD series going for a while if they dont than o whell but i personally would love to see more seasons of it.

oh well im going now
"Deflagrate mouire intervalia" i vanish from room in a blue shpere of fire...

Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Saturday, April 10, 2004 03:23:20 PM
IP: 68.155.124.71

Krys -- They showed deadly force on the FAM channel showing of the gargoyles on saturday about 2 or 3 weeks ago. Was very glad to see it again at that time.
silvadel
Saturday, April 10, 2004 02:33:07 PM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Lynati:<Vinnie: [ I already said I would know where to begin with the mess called Time Dancer!]
Well, if you know, then start already.> Haven't you ever heard of a typo before! I was tired then with eyes glazing over. The correct phrase is would NOT know where to begin with that mess! To bad this room doesn't have editing for regular comments.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, April 10, 2004 01:47:40 PM
IP: 216.234.120.229

How come they never show Deadly Force on TV? They always skip it.
Krista
Saturday, April 10, 2004 01:46:42 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201

Lynati:<<Feedback, pretty please?>> Woah, cool. It looks like you stole Gollum's eyes, especially on the scull half in the third pic. ;-D

Stephen:> Happy Birthday!!

Leo
Saturday, April 10, 2004 01:40:38 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Lynati- Yikes, that is wonderful and delightfully freaky. You said you go the eyes from a taxadermy, what were they to, they look huge? as far as the quality, I love it for it's detail, Like a stolen from a gargoyle hospital in the future. That is really really nice. What materials were used?
Revel - [samrx5@msn.com]
Saturday, April 10, 2004 01:14:49 PM
IP: 129.120.246.170

I turned 35 back in january... amazing how fast the body falls apart isnt it?

<Looking forward to TGS4 then TD5 =) >
silvadel
Saturday, April 10, 2004 01:07:48 PM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Oops!

Happy Birthday, Stephen!!

:: scatters confetti and balloons ::
kathy
Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:20:39 PM
IP: 66.82.197.68

Lynati > That's just... cool.

Also, Yahoo mail seemed to have had some kind of minor nervous breakdown. Consequently, I missed Cindy before she took off for the weekend. So it'll probably be next week before I have a definitive answer.

On the combo thing - it's not an official word but - go for it.

Coming to the Gathering? Volunteer! volunteer AT gatheringofthegargoyles.com

Thanks!
kathy
Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:19:24 PM
IP: 66.82.197.68

G-SIDE - Spaceba, my friend! (I know my russian isn't the best...) ^_^

And, as of 10:20am today... I will be officially 35... and there was much rejoycing. (yaaaay...)

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Saturday, April 10, 2004 05:31:42 AM
IP: 24.164.32.253

Vinnie: [ I already said I would know where to begin with the mess called Time Dancer!]
Well, if you know, then start already.
Lynati
Saturday, April 10, 2004 04:17:00 AM
IP: 66.142.59.211

DPH:<Listen, I'm going to be mean. All you keep talking about is generalities without mentioning any specifics. When you say TD is historically inaccurate, cite very specific examples of events in Timedancer which the dates are wrong.> It's like I already said I would know where to begin with the mess called Time Dancer!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, April 10, 2004 04:11:42 AM
IP: 216.234.126.129

re: timedancer,
after reading greg's faq about that there was a timedancer series planned, so i looked it up and found the tgs.

I read it, and was so intreged, i started working my way through the rest of the TGS
and with the exeption of the "hummingbirded" season 3 of gargoyles, I have been very inpressed with it.
keep up the good work
Damien
Saturday, April 10, 2004 03:48:27 AM
IP: 209.121.87.149

Take one art student. Add inspiration. Mix well.

http://lynativerse.artchicks.org/Bachue.htm
Feedback, pretty please?

Taleweaver: Cool. I'll be in touch, hopefully as soon as I finish this post.

Silvadel: [TD Five] It might be...it's certainly further along than Dark Ages Three is.

*chomps up Tengu part 4*
Yeesh, what a place to put in a break! but the Tuxedo Mask reference scares me, that thought is kinda disturbing... o.O
Hee! Nice addition, Spike; I'm not sure whether I want it to turn out to be a longer set of chapters and just keep going, or to end sooner so I can just know how it finishes.
Lynati
Saturday, April 10, 2004 03:25:08 AM
IP: 66.142.59.211

phenoix flame drops me to the floor and i take a perch on a chair back overlooking the room.

personally i love the timedancer series. brooklyn is also my favorite carecter i know i could be more original but oh well i knew him befor the site here.

i aggre with somone else (cant rember name) shame on you who have not seen mythbusters. that is the best show on discovery channel. go have a timeout if you havent seen it

fire storm>< big fan of seafood only prob is i am alergic to most of it so i dont have the plsare of enjoying most of it. and i dont eat anything with tentacles or anything of the sort.

and dont get me started on wedding gifts i have heard enoufgh form frieds of mine.

well im sighing off now
"Deflagtate mourie tempi et intervalia"
phienox flame takes me away.
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Saturday, April 10, 2004 01:56:09 AM
IP: 65.0.121.75

Youth> <<that doesn't seem to be a wrong decision>>: But the problem lies in the ammunition it gives to the abortion debate.

Happy birthday SRS Jr.

Fire Storm> <<the only thing tentacled creatures are good for in this area is for throwing on the ice>>: Have you double checked that with bored housewives?
<<The problem gods will simply eliminate each other>>: And the battles will add that extra zing to your reception.
<<Either way, I still get to keep the wedding gifts>>: You get to keep them, or the Lady gets to keep them?
<<The most difficult part about that is many relatives don't exactly have well defined orifices, so implantation is rather difficult>>: Makes trying to find them that much more fun.
<<Something, someone. Same difference>>: If it's someone else's code, I'd hope you could hand it back to them to fix (at least if it is fresh unworking code; modifying old code is something else).

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:03:16 AM
IP: 69.141.213.204

Fire Storm> <<Apparently LM and I are the only ones to remember that...>>
I remember it, too...and who can blame them? It's a hideous amount of work. I'm mildly awed that anyone has that kind of energy to spare.
Bud-Clare
Friday, April 9, 2004 10:30:57 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Lynati -- does that mean time dancer 5 will be next after main line series 4? That was actually what I was hoping for...

silvadel
Friday, April 9, 2004 07:43:00 PM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Gside: <Depends on your tastes.>
Well, for one, I am not a big fan of seafood (although I DO like calamari)
Plus, the only thing tentacled creatures are good for in this area is for throwing on the ice
<But any grudges they carry against other people makes planning the wedding seating that much more of a headache.>
No. The problem gods will simply eliminate each other. Or I will have someone else eliminate them. Either way, I still get to keep the wedding gifts
<And everyone needs some excitement at those family gatherings.>
The most difficult part about that is many relatives don't exactly have well defined orifices, so implantation is rather difficult

Sometimes I like them like that. Then others, I prefer something special
<And when they aren't, you're busy baning your head against something else that you think is the problem.>
Something, someone. Same difference.

DPH: <Funny, I was never told that.>
Lain: <they did? news to me ;)>
Apparently LM and I are the only ones to remember that...
Quite a few years ago, the TGS staff posted a FAQ or something or other that had the question of "What will happen to TGS if the series gets revived" and the answer was something along the lines of "Well, we'll quit write and just start watching"

V: <#3 rigid urethane foam>
Yeah! That's the stuff! Thanks!
<what's mythbusters?>
::balks::
YOU don't know of the glory of the Mythbusters Jamie and Adam? BAD V! NO COOKIE! They made a chicken gun! A JATO car!

Hellcat: <Anyways, anything big I miss on?>
The usual. Server crashes, trolls, Armageddon and the apocalypse.
Fire Storm - [<--- Revel in the joy of the Mythbusters, for it is good]
Friday, April 9, 2004 07:21:36 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Thanks for the goodies, Spike... both the eggs and the story! ^_^

Best sort of present I could get on my birthday... well, almost, since my birthday isn't until tomorrow. ^_^

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616_AT_yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Friday, April 9, 2004 06:59:52 PM
IP: 24.164.32.253

Thanks! I'm enjoying the three-day weekend very much - I really needed it.
Tharos
Friday, April 9, 2004 06:42:30 PM
IP: 69.40.141.99

Just dropping by to wish everyone a Happy Easter or Passover or just a good excuse for a three-day weekend and all the chocolate you can eat.

*leaves a basket of purple speckled gargoyle eggs*
Spike - [<==<< Tengu -- Part 4]
Friday, April 9, 2004 05:44:13 PM
IP: 209.30.20.209

Lynati> I help where I can. I think my notes survived the transfer to my new computer. My email is linked or cut and paste: rfootman1@earthlink.net

As for the discussion, I just wanted to steer it into more meaningful discourse. The general attitude being repeated was "I didn't like the last TD season." It's an opinion and everyone is welcome to theirs, but why?, how come?, what would you change? are questions and answers I'd like to see. Its a free board, but maybe the staff should sit this one out. Having been on the staff once upon a time, I have no doubt you guys are hard at work. I don't see the need to split your time to defend yourself from bad criticism. Let your work speak for yourself, that's what this little blue dragon says.
Taleweaver - [rfootman1@earthlink.net]
Friday, April 9, 2004 04:22:58 PM
IP: 207.69.139.156

Vinnie - Listen, I'm going to be mean. All you keep talking about is generalities without mentioning any specifics. When you say TD is historically inaccurate, cite very specific examples of events in Timedancer which the dates are wrong.

Taleweaver- < I'd like to see fully develeoped storylines go from start to finish. I understand the stuff with Harthoth and Nick Jr. were to build tension for next season, but because the gaps between seasons have grown from months to years, all those dangling threads don't come across as well planned points for continuation but unsatisfying half stories that we must wait for years to learn their resolution.> Yes, I can understand that concern. TGS Staff is making a list and going to check it twice . . to find the unresolved threads from TD. Things that are obsecure will not be forgotten.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, April 9, 2004 04:19:49 PM
IP: 67.14.195.45

Taleweaver: [I'd like to see fully develeoped storylines go from start to finish.]
That's actually the current staff project- re-reading all of TGS and seeing what has been left dangling, and where/how those threads can be wrapped up, in addition to what is already planned.

[I'm up for a discussion how about you guys?]
Do you mean with the TGS staff? Because I've actually been meaning to email you about certain things in "Timedancer" that have run us into a corner. They seemed to have been written with a specific "ending" in mind, but for the life of us we can't figure out what they would be. or more to the point, WHEN.

Incidentally, we have a season overview for TD5 (with several gaps for story ideas as-yet unsuggested) and rough outlines for maybe 1/2 of the eps. But we put it on hold to finish up gargs 4.

btw, does anyone know where Ordell and Aaron Ziegler are?

Kathy: good to hear; I just got a "failed delivery" message from the one I sent to lain. : P
Lynati
Friday, April 9, 2004 03:48:42 PM
IP: 66.142.59.246

Well, I guess I'll toss in my two cents on TD. This will definitely be my longest post to date.

When I stumbled across this site almost a year ago, I started reading the mainline story until I got to "Out of Joint". At that point, I read all four seasons of TD w/o touching any other series. Since I was able to read all four seasons stragiht through, I never had to deal with the long wait between each season, but I can certainly understand why that long wait might be a turn off for some people. I can also understand if why people wouldn't like how it reveals tidbits about the future, but I didn't mind that too much. For the most part, I thought it made the stories even more intriguing.

I was pretty much hooked on TD from the fist couple of stories. Near the end of the first season, even though Brooklyn has always been my favorite character, I thought the fact that he had to travel this entire journey alone was taking a little bit away from the series and I was hoping that someone else would accompany him at least for a little while. Sure enough, in the very next episode, Enter: Sata. Her portrayal is simply outstanding. She was so much more than just some over-the-top hard ass, which is how many strong female characters end up being portrayed.

A short while later, I began to hope that they visit some of the plaecs multiple times so that the results of each trip begin to pile on each other. I was particularly hoping that they visit some location in a future time first, and then visit it in a prior time later in the series so that it might be the first time they meets another character, but the second time that character meets them (and vice versa). Sure enough, we have the whole ordeal in Egypt (that four-parter was the best part of the series, by the way), a second visit to Japan, and the Menagerie two-parter.

I thought many of the storylines in the third season were a bit of a step down from the awesome second season, but most of them were still really good. Then, as I said earlier, I found the futuristic stories very intriguing, especially the portrayal of the new characters.

Most of all, I think that TD featured all of the aspects that made us love Gargoyles in the first place. A while back in the S8 forum, Grew Weisman posted the results of his poll asking for the top 5 reasons that people loved Gargoyles.

The #1 response was "characterization". Greg wrote, "They discussed, often in great detail, how real and believable the characters seem, how detailed their backstories were, how major and minor characters grew, changed and evolved, and how complex they were, reflecting shades of grey. They liked the relationships/bonds/dynamics between the characters, as well."

I most definitely felt this held up in TD. All of the new characters were very unique and complex, never one-dimensional and always changing before our eyes.

The #2 response was "plot development". Greg wrote, "They liked its dynamism and twists. How stories built on past stories and presaged stories yet to come: the tapestry of events that created the Gargoyles Universe."

TD certainly had a multifaceted storyline. Even though there were often stories in separate locations that were never revisited, there was great continuity as every recurring character (especially Brooklyn and Sata, of course) was constantly growing and changing.

The #3 reason was "Literary, Mythological, Historical & Biblical References". Greg wrote, "People loved the integration of various characters and concepts from myth, history, literature and the Bible."

This was definitely upheld through all of Brooklyn's dynamic adventures.

#'s 4 and 5 dealt with animation and voice casting, but #6 was "series intelligence". Greg wrote, "People specifically stated how much they appreciated how 'smart' the series was."

The complex, sophisticated nature of many of the TD stories always had me thinking. I especially liked the way in which Brooklyn interacted with everyone in the Egypt storyline because he always knew more than them or they knew more than he did.

Obviously, I love the TD storyline. Kudos to all who have worked on it. There's a lot more I could say, but I'll save it for later.

Peace
Z
Friday, April 9, 2004 02:38:28 PM
IP: 67.67.114.123

Patrick:<So you would rather it be historically INaccurate? Like "Hercules" and "Xena"? :: shudders ::> That's not what I meant and besides that series is already historically inaccurate! Like Hercules and Xena!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, April 9, 2004 01:56:43 PM
IP: 216.234.101.78

Wow, I'm really surprised at all the anti-TD sentiment. At first I hated it - Brooklyn's my favorite character, and the time dance totally changed him - but I really loved it once I got into it. I even ended up liking it better than the main series.

So, TGS staff, just thought I'd throw this out there since I never gave you guys any compliments on one bitchin' series.
Tharos
Friday, April 9, 2004 12:38:38 PM
IP: 69.40.141.172

[[fire storm>> <<Probably because the TGS staff said once that if the series was revived, they would quit>>
they did? news to me ;) ]]

What an entirely foolish idea. Fanfiction has largely helped maintain interest in the property; it would be silly to end it simply because some version of the show returns.

[[also, how bout that 6-1 ruling in california the other day saying that killing a pregnant woman counts as TWO murders? thats a nice trick, when you get right down to it.. ]]

Do you have a cite?

I would need to read the case, but personally, that doesn't seem to be a wrong decision. Laws such as that one serve a valid, legitimate government interest in protecting the health and safety of pregnant women and the unborn.

Youth N Asia
Friday, April 9, 2004 12:19:43 PM
IP: 164.82.144.3

Vinnie > So you would rather it be historically INaccurate? Like "Hercules" and "Xena"? :: shudders ::

119 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick - [<-- the obligatory Gathering link]
Friday, April 9, 2004 12:17:26 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Silvadel: It's not surprising that Rowling didn't reveal the exam results. OWLS are pretty blatantly modelled on GCSE exams in the UK, and those results aren't released until the middle of August, outside her usual time-frame.
Ed
Friday, April 9, 2004 05:23:34 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

DPH:<Why don't you spell out the problems you have with TGS's take on Timedancer?> Because I wouldn't know where to begin! <Oh yea, if you're complaining about the rules of Time Travel that TGS stuck by, then tough luck.> No, that's not it. I just hate the entire concept of it's length, it's historical accuracy, the peeks it gives into the future, and so on. But as I said before I wouldn't know where to begin!

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, April 9, 2004 03:32:04 AM
IP: 216.234.101.31

Well one thing we have confirmed at least is that there are a lot of people who would like to see timedancer sooner rather than later -- a lot of interest in that series... It is certainly the one I have the most interest in -- followed by the mainline series -- then significanly below those two pendragon and dark ages.

And I wouldnt give up hope on a new gargoyles series... I think it is not all that far away from occuring -- I mean heck, they are bringing back Dark Shadows and Dr Who...

Patrick -- I do not read harry potter fanfic... Actually the biggest issue I had with book 5 was that they didnt give the results of the OWLs. I wont be happy with JKR if she doesnt reveal the NEWT grades in book 7.
silvadel
Friday, April 9, 2004 03:29:56 AM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Timedancer> If you'd like constructive criticism, I'd like to see fully develeoped storylines go from start to finish. I understand the stuff with Harthoth and Nick Jr. were to build tension for next season, but because the gaps between seasons have grown from months to years, all those dangling threads don't come across as well planned points for continuation but unsatisfying half stories that we must wait for years to learn their resolution.

I'm up for a discussion how about you guys?
Taleweaver
Friday, April 9, 2004 02:36:28 AM
IP: 207.69.139.135

gside>> << Good luck, but barring any major announcements from Weisman, it's probably time to tuck in for the long haul>>
and THEN some ;)

vinnie>> <<Sorry, but I couldn't find anything worth being constructive about in TimeDancer.(At least the stories read)>>
ive gotta say, nothing makes people more motivated to continue writing free fanfic for the enjoyment of others than random denigration, thanks so much! we'll get writing on season 5 of TD RIGHT AWAY!!!!!
(in case you cant tell, that was *sarcasm*. what i *REALLY* meant was "eat my shorts, you indolent disobliging lemon-puss.")
:)

lain
Friday, April 9, 2004 12:52:22 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Lynati > I received an email today. Haven't replied yet but I will as soon as I get a chance to talk to Cindy.
kathy
Friday, April 9, 2004 12:24:22 AM
IP: 66.82.197.68

Lain> <<working on that>>: Good luck, but barring any major announcements from Weisman, it's probably time to tuck in for the long haul.

Gunjack> <<what's mythbusters?>>: You don't know? Shame on you. It's a Discovery Channel show where they test urban legends. Like poprocks and coke, the guy in the barrel of bricks accident, umbrella guns and ice bullets, exploding breast implants in depresurized airplanes... Generally fun stuff.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, April 9, 2004 12:06:38 AM
IP: 69.141.213.204

phienox flame drops me in the room. i take a perch on the top of a cabinate and look over the room.

personally i dont know about yall but i would love to see something happen with the series on tv. but i agree that they would have to find a way not to "pollute" the timedancer series but find a way to work around it or even add it in someware kinda like a spinn off or even make another show that consists of the timedancer series. that woiuld solve the problems in theroy but if they eleminate it all together than it would not make any sence. or maby they sould not even work with it and come up with their own things to put into the show. i dont know i have to read more about this to find anything.

fire storm. havent heard form you in a while send me an email when you get a chance.

whell im signing off now
"Deflagrate mourie tempi et intervalia"
pnienox flame takes me away
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Thursday, April 8, 2004 11:21:43 PM
IP: 65.0.124.228

Kathy, lain, did you get the emails I sent to you the other day? Hotmail has given me a "delayed message" notice on both. (it was a response to Kathy's last email, and the TGS staff list for lain, and I haven't sent anything new since)
Lynati
Thursday, April 8, 2004 09:03:45 PM
IP: 67.64.40.159

Vinnie - It's one thing to criticique; it's another to criticize. Yes, there are things I don't like about TGS's take on Timedancer (I've shared them in the past). Why don't you spell out the problems you have with TGS's take on Timedancer? Oh yea, if you're complaining about the rules of Time Travel that TGS stuck by, then tough luck.

fire storm - <Probably because the TGS staff said once that if the series was revived, they would quit> Funny, I was never told that.

Silvadel - <At any rate it looks like it could theoretically be finished up in less than a standard season... The twins are already starting to grow significantly.> Well, you haven't counted all the years of timedancing left plus mkaing sure that many of the unresolved plots from Timedancer get resolved.

Brutis - If you think TGS followed Greg Weisman's plans precisely, you're off. Even from the beginning, TGS started deviating from Greg Weisman's plans largely because things were unknown. The biggest example of deviation that was decided in Season 1 was making Duval Lancelot and the location of Merlin. Largely, things were decided in the absence of information.

I think TGS, for the most part in the Gargoyles series, has headed towards Greg Weisman's plans. In that series, it would be hard to get any closer to Greg Weisman's plans without having a lot of duplication of several arcs from TGS Gargoyles Season 1. On the other hand, the Pendragon series ventured pretty far from Greg Weisman's plans since the beginning; largely due to the lack of information.

Sadly, I've been unable to find the 2nd DVD of Cowboy Beboop to rent. I understand the music is appropriate for the series, and I was pleasantly suprised how things were handled (projectile weapons were still around).

I'm starting to get a grip on the presentation I plan on doing for my MicroEconomics class on the price of . . oil.
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, April 8, 2004 08:37:13 PM
IP: 67.14.195.19

Regarding Timedancer... all I can say is that anyone's who's that paranoid about potential new canon material ruining their enjoyment of fanfic better stay the heck away from the Harry Potter fandom. :P

On that note...

There are 57 days left until "The Prisoner of Askaban" hits theaters, and there are 120 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!

Patrick
Thursday, April 8, 2004 12:39:43 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Whoa I missed a lot! Where to start? Um….
Uhhh…..
Hello!

Um, yeah…let’s see how can catch up a little:
Happy belated April Fools and happy belated birthday Krista :)

Lynati:I’m sorry to hear about the kitten. :(

Whitbourne: Nice song! Hehe. Very cool. It sounds better than Sweet Home Alabama. :)

I’m a occasional poster on Green baron’s blog so I’m having fun there. I had been so busy lately. I had my sister home…um enough said. Her French friend was pretty mean to me but I smiled and nodded. The French parents of the friend weren’t too bad. Nice people. Exhausted yep but they had more manners than the daughter. I didn’t enjoy it too much since I barely understood. I was very quiet. Basically I greeted them politely. My sis had the nerve to say I was rude. She was rude! Insulting and condescending little…

Anyways after three days of exhausting my poor deaf ears on them, I then got a blasted letter from MUN saying I was rejected to MA program. Grr.

On a lighter note, I’m quite relaxed now since Mom’s gone home for my grandma. She’s not doing well because of her heart. I don’t really know her and she’s scary so enjoying spacey time to myself. Whee.

Anyways, anything big I miss on?

Hellcat
Thursday, April 8, 2004 12:10:32 PM
IP: 205.251.135.66

Firestorm><<Hey... you may know this... you know that 2 part expanding foam they use on Mythbusters? Where can I get that stuff?>>
#3 rigid urethane foam. Mix equal parts a and b by volume, and it expands to 20 times its origional volume. Yeah, we got that stuff, plus 5-, 10- and 12-pound variants.

what's mythbusters?

Gotta run!

V
Thursday, April 8, 2004 08:17:08 AM
IP: 4.7.36.9

lain:<uuh... ok? could we have a side of constructive commentary to go with your criticism? it might help..> Sorry, but I couldn't find anything worth being constructive about in TimeDancer.(At least the stories read)
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, April 8, 2004 02:58:33 AM
IP: 216.234.120.70

silvadel>> <<But at any rate I do very much want to see Timedancer finished (IE see the TGS take on timedancer) before they do a Future Tense Gargoyles TV show...>>
i think this is kind-of a pointless argument, given that the likelyhood of a "future tense" gargoyles tv show is so blindingly miniscule..

fire storm>> <<Probably because the TGS staff said once that if the series was revived, they would quit>>
they did? news to me ;)

vinnie>> <<It's so horribly done especially now>>
uuh... ok? could we have a side of constructive commentary to go with your criticism? it might help..

damien>> <<not counting TGC[which i recently discovered i've never seen]>>
you arent missing much..

gside>> <<Eh, the fandom's cooled down a bit over the years, understandably>>
..working on that..

brutis>> <<hey yall the room is dead this week. what happened did everyone start to hate the gargoyles. or what>>
no, its just that theres no inspiring political debate going on. if we want to start one, i suggest thesse:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00089:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@L&summ2=m&
on a related note, you might find http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sss092203.html interesting... whoops, no wait, you'll need the cache of that site, since they yoinked it down as soon as it was noticed by the media..
also, how bout that 6-1 ruling in california the other day saying that killing a pregnant woman counts as TWO murders? thats a nice trick, when you get right down to it..

*evil laughter*
lain
Thursday, April 8, 2004 01:20:15 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Silvadel> <<Any idea when the next (and I assume FINAL) season of timedancer will hit>>: Not for a while, I believe there's still a couple more to go first.

Fire Storm> <<But it’s better to give them a target than to receive>>: Depends on your tastes.
<<Part of being related to the GOOD elder gods is that you can piss them all off and STILL be able to kick their asses>>: But any grudges they carry against other people makes planning the wedding seating that much more of a headache.
<<They won’t think anything of it...Until it opens>>: And everyone needs some excitement at those family gatherings.
<<sometimes they come up with Red Robin’s A1 peppercorn burger (burger, onion straws, raw onions, A1 sauce, etc)>>: I take mine with just meat, cheese, bread, and condiments.
<<That’s what OTHER’S systems are for>>: Ah, I see now.
<<When and if they are used>>: And when they aren't, you're busy baning your head against something else that you think is the problem.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, April 8, 2004 01:05:11 AM
IP: 69.141.213.204

Agree with the non-patrick comments on my comment...

But at any rate I do very much want to see Timedancer finished (IE see the TGS take on timedancer) before they do a Future Tense Gargoyles TV show... At best it would pollute the timedancer series -- more likely it would make it so it wouldnt finish out...

At any rate it looks like it could theoretically be finished up in less than a standard season... The twins are already starting to grow significantly.
silvadel
Thursday, April 8, 2004 01:02:08 AM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Gside: <You'd never know if, in passing your post, they would notice something vaguely familiar.>
True. Very true. Let’s try it some time…
<Unless you use the opportunity to revel in the reactions of the others caught in the trap of iniquity.>
True... But it’s better to give them a target than to receive
<But that doesn't necessarially mean they wouldn't hold a grudge>
Who cares? Part of being related to the GOOD elder gods is that you can piss them all off and STILL be able to kick their asses!
<I'd say egg, to make for a more impressive presentation.>
Heh... here they come, expecting a mortal HUMAN children and I give them a leathery sack. They won’t think anything of it...
Until it opens
<not so much that they can't make good burgers, it's that they try to make them too fancy>
OR sometimes they come up with Red Robin’s A1 peppercorn burger (burger, onion straws, raw onions, A1 sauce, etc)
<Assuming you won't be trying to access the data again.>
That’s what OTHER’S systems are for!
<Aren't standards wonderful?>
When and if they are used
<No, I suppose not, but this is a unix machine, and they tend not to have glaring security holes (for long).>
Assuming it is patched and maintained. Which was the main problem with this system. No one looked into it for so long that they never noticed that the HD failed
<Fine by me. Though I've been trying to keep things generalized.>
Well, I can give links to fully damaging scripts now! Behold my link!
...
Well, I WOULD have given my link, but it looks like SOMEONE renamed the password file and eliminated my password! (Good one!)
**sniff**
That login and password was barely a say old...

V: Hey... you may know this... you know that 2 part expanding foam they use on Mythbusters? Where can I get that stuff?
Nice site... gotta look through it for some nice mouldmaking material that can tolerate 3000 degrees

Patrick: <Someone clue me in... why would the status of a fanfic series of Timedancer have any bearing whatsoever if the show were to be revived on T.V.?>
Probably because the TGS staff said once that if the series was revived, they would quit.
Fire Storm - [<--- Nothing but trouble]
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 11:58:25 PM
IP: 68.252.133.71

Someone clue me in... why would the status of a fanfic series of Timedancer have any bearing whatsoever if the show were to be revived on T.V.?

121 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick - [<-- le Gathering]
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 10:53:14 PM
IP: 65.43.162.204

Mecord: Or said gargoyle could just use a descriptive term, like a personality trait, to get the attention of another gargoyle. Most names are based on such descriptions, but most people no longer care about what their names mean any more.

silvadel:<Any idea when the next (and I assume FINAL) season of timedancer will hit -- that series needs completion> Nope, no idea, but I hope it's soon. It's so horribly done especially now.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 10:45:11 PM
IP: 216.234.120.70

pheniox flame drops me in here**

hey yall the room is dead this week. what happened did everyone start to hate the gargoyles. or what

i aggree i want to know if they are going to do something with the gargs on tv i aggree though that it would mess up the timedancer series. unless they follow trough some of the stories in the series here than it would follow and they could put the T.D. series in there that would be so cool.

got info on my suv. total write off but i got a used truck now a 94 Ford F250 with 220,456 mi on it **what was i thinking** oh well for the best i guess.

well sighing off now no one in the room no conversation see yall later "Deflagrate mourie tempi et intervalia"
phienox flame takes me away...
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
Hammond, Louisiana, Usa
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 10:01:21 PM
IP: 205.214.170.231

Oh and if you wonder why I am thinking of this now -- it is because of the potential for a gargoyles future show on TV... I would enjoy seeing the series completed here before they do that... If it occurs after they do such a series it will contaminate the tgs timedancer series. Worst would be if it got this close to completion and NEVER was completed.
silvadel
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 06:27:24 PM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Any idea when the next (and I assume FINAL) season of timedancer will hit -- that series needs completion =)

As for knowing who someone is talking to, the gargoyles just know by the tonalities etc whether he is talking to the nearby gargoyle or a distant one... or sometimes even specific ones.
silvadel
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 04:51:46 PM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Dezi>> <We all know that before the Wyvern Massacre, gargoyles in Goliath's clan didn't typically take names. They would refer to each other as friend or brother or sister or whatever. So, say a bunch of gargoyles (males for question sake) are in a battle. They are fighting lotsa Vikings, and they are on the ground. One gargoyle notices that his brother is about to be attacked from behind. He yells to warn him. What would he yell that would be good enough to save his brother while not entirely throwing off the others? If he yells, Brother! Look out! Then the other brothers will look too. Does he yell Hey, Green Brother (or whatever color the gargoyle is)?>

I think the proper response to such a situation would be to pick up the nearest viking and throw him into the other viking that was going to attack his brother from behind. ;)
Mecord
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 12:08:09 PM
IP: 129.123.104.6

Aingeal- losing your job? Well that sucks. *hugs* hope you find one you like better.
Revel
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 11:19:08 AM
IP: 129.120.246.170

::flops:: anyone that suddenly sees a MSN Messenger addition from ladynewill2u@hotmail.com it's just me doing my traditional adding people that talk gargoyle stuff... Goes along with losing my job on Friday. ::grins:: I'm going to be more social, maybe ;)
Aingeal - [ladynewill2u@hotmail.com]
Not sure, Maybe moving?, USA
Wednesday, April 7, 2004 08:12:00 AM
IP: 12.163.224.65

Damien> <<confession time, I havn't seen gargoyles in about 4 or 5 years>>: Eh, the fandom's cooled down a bit over the years, understandably.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, April 6, 2004 11:07:17 PM
IP: 69.141.213.204

Dezi: I imagine Greg considered this a minor detail compared to the importance of the namelessness of the gargoyles. *shrug* I imagine a description like, "Hey, green brother!" would work. Man, that'd be funny. "Yo! You with the horns!" :)

Aahh... you know that contended feeling you get when your final research paper of the year is all ready to be turned in tomorrow? *contended sigh* Life rules.
Tharos
Tuesday, April 6, 2004 08:29:30 PM
IP: 69.40.143.209

wow...
confession time, I havn't seen gargoyles in about 4 or 5 years.... <<dodges vegtables>> so i finally saw the one episode (not counting TGC[which i recently discovered i've never seen]) I haven't seen, pendragon. then i watched some of eye of the beholder. I have to say, the show is different then i remeber. animation is rougher, the voices are better, the voices are more distinct, Xanatos strikes me stronger of the "basterd factor" (eg thinking wow he IS a bastard)
but it still is a good show

Damien
Tuesday, April 6, 2004 08:13:28 PM
IP: 209.121.87.149

# 18! mwahaha! no, ha. fun.

whoa. never seen this pic b4. my comp doesnt load very well. cool pic, tho.
Krista
Tuesday, April 6, 2004 07:41:06 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201

Ok, I got a question, posed to my by a friend. ( ;) ) . Anyways, I didn't know the answer, so I thought I would open it up to the floor.

We all know that before the Wyvern Massacre, gargoyles in Goliath's clan didn't typically take names. They would refer to each other as friend or brother or sister or whatever. So, say a bunch of gargoyles (males for question sake) are in a battle. They are fighting lotsa Vikings, and they are on the ground. One gargoyle notices that his brother is about to be attacked from behind. He yells to warn him. What would he yell that would be good enough to save his brother while not entirely throwing off the others? If he yells, Brother! Look out! Then the other brothers will look too. Does he yell Hey, Green Brother (or whatever color the gargoyle is)? Dunno. Ok, you guys' turn.

laters.
Dezi
Tuesday, April 6, 2004 04:03:14 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

They had my computer for TWO WEEKS and did they fix it you ask? Well only kinda! Still has a problem with the battery but at least it doesn't crash.

Gside- By comparison we are a young country but we are over two hundred years so I don't consider that a good excuse. Esspecially since we took the title "leader of the free-world".

Green Baron- I thought the Katusa and ROKs were great. If I ever thought that things were too tough for me I'd just look at them and remember that they trained harder and get paid a lot less. You'll get your vacation soon enough.
Yep it was a Christmas Carol. Give yourself a promotion and if anyone asks just tell them I said it was ok.

Whitbourne Thanks, you made some good points too.

Ok, a slightly harder quote: Who said this?
"And no matter what the Vulcans say; we will attack the Klingons, liberate their citizens and remove the threat of Weapons of Mass Distruction."

Later.

Jaden - [jaden1443@aol.com]
Tuesday, April 6, 2004 02:15:34 AM
IP: 4.46.143.213

DPH> <<The damn background music got annoying after a while>>: Be careful, Yoko Kanno has somewhat of a loyal following. Mmm, Tank!, Rain, Call Me Call Me, etc., etc.
<<how many does are there left to the Gathering on two days before tomorrow? two days after yesterday?>>: Subtract one, add one.
<<I'm guessing that I probably am expecting too much for that show>>: Probably. I'm even somewhat ashamed to be emulating one of the games. Though one redeeming value is the prevalence of S&M.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, April 5, 2004 11:46:44 PM
IP: 69.141.213.204

phenoix flame drops me to the ground from 4 feet up

hello all i hope no one minds if i start using this immage i checked all the profiles and some of the arcives i dont see it so tell me if i swiped it from anyone... besides i feel like growing up anyway.

cops found my car today TOTALED and striped luckly it was fully insured. *sob my car* oh well spilled milk

does anyone know where i can find some really cool pics of brooklyn i need to redo some of the pics that i used for my backgrounds and what not. <> dont worry the artist will get total props<>

sorry for the bad post the other day i was a bit tired but i think i am getting better at doing thease posts

oh well just going to finish reading a timedancer story
"Deflagrate mouri tempi et intervalia" pheinox flame wisks me away.
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
Hammond, Louisiana, Usa
Monday, April 5, 2004 10:50:03 PM
IP: 205.214.170.231

They call me the Count because I love to count!

26 days left before Gathering 2004 pre-registration prices increase.
27 days left to submit entries for the Gathering T-shirt contest (deadline is May 1).
88 days left to submit entries for the Music Video contest (deadline is July 1).
93 days left to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville (deadline is July 6 at noon).

And finally...

123 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!

One-two-three! Ah-ha-ha! :: thunder and lightening ::
Count von Count - [<-- le Gathering!]
Monday, April 5, 2004 09:30:08 PM
IP: 65.43.158.69

err.. twelfth
Damien
Monday, April 5, 2004 07:20:14 PM
IP: 209.121.87.149

firs.... err
secon... ahh
thir.... d'oh
for..... mrrr
fif..... argh
sixt.... hmm
seve.... sonufa
eigt.... Darn
ni...... drat
ten..... those monsters they did it they really did it. they took them all!!!..
elev....
twelf...
thirteenth! WOOO
lucky thirteenth
Damien
Monday, April 5, 2004 12:42:39 PM
IP: 209.121.87.149

I am not a number -- I am a free man...

Oops I missed the countdown (11th) sigh.

Amazing that they are already on the world tour on toon disney -- I guess at 14 episodes per week it doesnt take all that long to loop.
silvadel
Monday, April 5, 2004 11:59:30 AM
IP: 24.225.220.194

10th in the name of cool uncles.
Spacebabie
Monday, April 5, 2004 10:04:41 AM
IP: 4.238.10.128

Ninth Life!
Spike
Monday, April 5, 2004 08:16:12 AM
IP: 209.30.20.209

8th!
Leo
Monday, April 5, 2004 08:08:20 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Lucky Number 7, and I have a blog now..cickie on my name :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Humphreys, Korea
Monday, April 5, 2004 07:26:06 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

6.

Why am I still awake?
Bud-Clare
Monday, April 5, 2004 06:31:21 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Well, since I was 5th in the other room, I might as well be consitent.
Vash
Monday, April 5, 2004 05:38:55 AM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Fourth!
(Yeah, we're boring.)
Fire Storm & Lady Mystic
Monday, April 5, 2004 05:25:39 AM
IP: 68.249.9.190

Third... with a side-note, 5 more days till I turn 35...

Maintain and Check Six!

Stephen R .Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL
Monday, April 5, 2004 05:23:11 AM
IP: 24.164.32.253

2nd!! Second *2
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, April 5, 2004 03:50:50 AM
IP: 216.234.126.118

1st.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, April 5, 2004 03:12:31 AM
IP: 69.141.213.204