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Fire Storm> <>: Let's check my favorite tech resource, the Jargon File. VAX: /vaks/ n. 1. [from Virtual Address eXtension] The most successful minicomputer design in industry history, possibly excepting its immediate ancestor, the PDP-11. Between its release in 1978 and its eclipse by killer micros after about 1986, the VAX was probably the hacker's favorite machine of them all, esp. after the 1982 release of 4.2 BSD Unix (see BSD). Esp. noted for its large, assembler-programmer-friendly instruction set -- an asset that became a liability after the RISC revolution. 2. A major brand of vacuum cleaner in Britain. Cited here because its sales pitch, "Nothing sucks like a VAX!" became a sort of battle-cry of RISC partisans. It is even sometimes claimed that DEC actually entered a cross-licensing deal with the vacuum-Vax people that allowed them to market VAX computers in the U.K. in return for not challenging the vacuum cleaner trademark in the U.S.
<<Like it rough, eh?>>: I'll take it however I can get it.
<<If I ever did do that, I would follow the "you need to wear stockings with a skirt" part of the code too>>: There are the traditional kilt socks.
<<200% hourly compounded?>>: Whatever it'll take to serve everyone a pound of beef wellington each.
<>: So get him one and copy the number first.

Vinnie> <<As I just said above Exclamation Marks are a sign of a creative mind!>>: Exclamation marks are for emphasis, and are therefore a sign of excitability. Many of the greatest ideas of the past have been rather calm, more "oh, right, so that's how that works," than the traditional "eureka!"

Vinnie> <>: The logical error was that you said it was "supposed to be [bad]," when the creators wanted to make something good. Something is what it is, something is supposed to be what the creator intends it to be. And that leads us into a great debate about art based on which is more important.

Fire Storm> I thought of a new variation: "!!!!!!!11111bang11111!!!!!!one!!!!11111." Bang being another way of saying exclamation mark (similar to crunch, dirk, grapes, pop, glob, and the like).
<<After all these months, why oh WHY is "Badger, Mushroom, Snake" still going through my head?>>: Because it's an ear worm. I reccommend Lions and Tigers in Kenya as a counter agent. I have never seen a giraffe's leg being gnawed on so cutely.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:29:56 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

DPH: <So you don't think it's coincidence then?>
No, it is. Just a very bad one. (His rent is $1200 a month, and since he hasn't paid in 2 months...)

Well, I killed a mouse fairly humanely by using CO2. (I have a rather large tank of it thanks to a pop machine that I haven't quite reassembled yet.)
<The Gene Pool needs more life guards.>
And chlorine

Brutis: <you really want me to get techinal>
Technicalities are the devils tools my friend
<wanna know someting funny>
They don't quite make them like they used to?

Patrick: <check it out... an exclamation point... I must be creative!)>
Don't make me use l33t, young man!

After all these months, why oh WHY is "Badger, Mushroom, Snake" still going through my head?
Fire Storm
Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:33:13 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

heh, Haven't been in for a while....
Ok, feeling a bit like a smart ass..

BudClare:<Assuming that it made any difference. *sighs*) > Poor Budclare. *gives a cookie*

Damien:<hmm gene pool needs more chlorine > LOL that was the quote of the day at the news paper office. :D thanks.

Vinnie: Why is it that whenever someone calls you out on something, you circle the wagons around your opinions, whether or not the discussion had anything to do with opinions? (and, no, mistakes and typos or whatever neither count as creativity or an opinion). Are you terribly insecure about your opinions?
<distasteful, inept excuse for a TV show.> And, despite the fact that you drool your loathing, I'm sure there are worse shows. (and, just for the record, I watched the show _once_ and that was during season one.)
<Ah! But they're a sign of a creative mind.;) > No, it's more like a sign that you don't know how to quit hitting the same key (or, to be _specific_ a key-combo). &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Check it out, I'm so damn creative!
<Learn creativity> Heh, yeah I won't go there.....
<And I seem to have much better preferences then you.;) > ....omg.......
<to bad more people don't take responsibility for thir actions. > Maybe, I dunno, they're in.... Denial? Hmm yeah.

OK, and in other news, Whitbourne is hilarious, and Greg is missed.

Ok I have to paint now....
Dezi
Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:23:38 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Patrick> <<check it out... an exclamation point... I must be creative!>>
That's one word for it! ;)
Bud-Clare
Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:14:47 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

I've been busy this weekend, but I haven't forgotten about the countdown...

110 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!

(check it out... an exclamation point... I must be creative!)
Patrick
Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:03:30 PM
IP: 68.73.169.7

GregX:<<So, who saw KILL BILL?>>
You mean Kill Bill vol. 2? I saw it last night.

*****Not really spoilers, just things I noticed. :p*****
- More plot and backstory than vol. 1.

- much homage to Sergio Leone's "spaghetti westerns" (This includes use of Ennio Morricone's music from "The good, the Bad, and the Ugly" , "For a Few Dollars More", and others..)

- lots of evidence of Tarrantino's foot fetish. :p

*****END "Not really spoilers"*****

BrookLex:>> This NOT the chat room, this is the COMMENT room.
Leo
Sunday, April 18, 2004 05:25:10 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

DPH: We're going to produce generations of kids who don't understand the beauty of the great outdoors or the joy of canoeing down a river.

Could very well be, but living out here in Idaho is a bit different. Most people do at least try to get their kids out into the wilderness, even if they never leave the comforts of their RV's with the sattelite tv. I still don't think that counts as camping, but at least it keeps them out of the good spots! And your cannoeing bit sounds fun, but have you ever done white water rafting? Now that's fun.
Annie
ID
Sunday, April 18, 2004 04:33:03 PM
IP: 216.190.39.78

*gone*
Brooklex
Sunday, April 18, 2004 04:08:22 PM
IP: 205.188.116.144

Greg Bishansky>i saw kill bill it was pretty good and lots of action:)
Brooklex
Sunday, April 18, 2004 04:05:36 PM
IP: 205.188.116.144

*wounders if the live action movie is coming out*
is also waiting pastiontlly for the 2004 gathering is so exsitede*claps his talons*
Brooklex
Sunday, April 18, 2004 03:59:43 PM
IP: 205.188.116.144

Mooncat> Thank you for saving me the trouble of smacking him. (Assuming that it made any difference. *sighs*)
Bud-Clare
Sunday, April 18, 2004 02:44:59 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Vinnie - I'm not sure if you are deliberately misunderstanding Bud Clare or not, but her objection wasn't your opinion, but that the way you worded your setence made it a (logically) false statement. It's not your opinion on the show that was criticized, it was your poor grammer.

Other things...

I have a new baby kitten!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/mooncatx/

pics available at my live journal.

So, show of hands, who is definately going to the Gathering this year? Possibles? I'm looking at the timing, and it's unlikely I'll be going, but not a total impossibility.

I have pictures from last Gathering I just found on my laptop, heh... I should post them while I still remember them.

Mooncat
>^,,^<
Mooncat
Sunday, April 18, 2004 02:00:29 PM
IP: 68.102.17.133

Whitbourne:<From what I saw, though, it certainly wasn't vapid or unintelligent.> Well that's your opinion, not mine.

ghost of Reverned Attila:<Well at least he had the integrity to resign..best thing he's done in his life I bet> I'm in total agreement with you on that, to bad more people don't take responsibility for thir actions.

Bud-Clare:<*resists urge to insult* I wasn't supporting the f*cking show. I was protesting the gross logical error that you commited.> Well that depends on what you mean by error. I for one don't believe that I made an error in describing the TV show "24". <Do you think that maybe you might be the problem?> Nope, not really! Call it denial if YOU want, but I have MY opinions and whether a television show is liked or not is a matter of personel preference. And I seem to have much better preferences then you.;)
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, April 18, 2004 01:00:34 PM
IP: 216.234.120.107

Atilla> I'm vastly impressed that Svend Robinson had the decency to confess before any investigation started and that he's co-operating fully with the police. He's setting a good ethical example for everyone - not just politicians - who've done something foolish. He admitted to his act and has pledged that he will pay whatever consequences society deems necessary.

In other words, it's a non-issue. I find Liberals and Conservatives trying to score politiacl points off this would do wise to think about that old cliche. What was it? Glass houses, throwing stones, something like that. :-)
Whitbourne
Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:55:30 AM
IP: 156.34.80.249

vinnie> <>
*resists urge to insult* I wasn't supporting the f*cking show. I was protesting the gross logical error that you commited.

<<I'd say it's your problem if you can't get your point across.>>
Everyone else understood just fine. Do you think that maybe you might be the problem?
_____________________________
Brutis> <<look why dont you try saying it like it is spelled>>
*resists urge to maim*

<<but for you people who enjoy punctuality i will try to not write the way i talk.>>
*facepalm*
Bud-Clare
Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:26:06 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

ATTILA> I doubt anyone will comment on that save maybe Ed. I never even heard of the guy.

So, who saw KILL BILL?
Greg Bishansky
Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:59:59 AM
IP: 216.179.3.127

No controversies or unkind comments lately..hmm...I'l rctufy that.

Shoplifter and NDP bigshot Svend Robinson is resigning from Parliament for stealing some jewelry.....a politician robbing people..who'd a thought that possible ;)

Well at least he had the integrity to resign..best thing he's done in his life I bet :)
ghost of Reverned Attila
Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:04:23 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

Vinnie> Buy this book. (points to link)

24: I've watched up to "8:00 p.m." of the first season, then had it spoiled for me. Since then I've not had any desire to watch any more. The part that I watched seemed quite creative and well-written...up until Teri got amnesia. Then I started getting that niggling doubt about "how much bad luck can one person have?" that usually is the first warning sign of a potentially jumping shark. Since then - I dunno. I've read a few synopses here and there and it just doesn't seem like a show I'd enjoy watching that much of. From what I saw, though, it certainly wasn't vapid or unintelligent. In fact, in a world full of reality TV like "The Swan" or "Are You a Hot Millionaire American Idol Survivor Apprentice?" or whatever the hell is on these days, any return to scripted TV save for sitcoms is a good thing. "24" is not the best of the bunch (an honour that will forever belong to "DaVinci's Inquest") but it certainly can't be called vapid or unintelligent when you compare it to the other crap that's out there.
Whitbourne
Sunday, April 18, 2004 08:47:26 AM
IP: 142.177.154.200

Bud-Clare:<Exactly what gave you the impression that I've even _seen_ the show?> I didn't say that you ever seen the show only that you were embarassing yourself supporting it. <And you missed the point besides. Learn to read.> I'd say it's your problem if you can't get your point across. <And lay off the exclamation points, would you? It makes you sound like a hyperactive five year old.> Ah! But they're a sign of a creative mind.;)

Gside:<The only opinion was on the excessivity of extra exclamation marks, and everyone draws their own line somewhere. It's just that a lot of people think that more than five is a sign of a deranged mind.> As I just said above Exclamation Marks are a sign of a creative mind! Learn creativity.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, April 18, 2004 03:59:19 AM
IP: 216.234.125.47

comes in and checks board.

fire storm you really want me to get techinal. i have brokem more laws than i can rember and was almost arrested twice for breaking and entering. once for opening a friend of mines car and once for opening the door to my own house. i have some nosey neighbors. wanna know someting funny. on my 2003 rover i could pic the door and the ignition in about 30 sec or lest most of the time. but on my 10 year old truck i cant seem to pic the lock on either the door or the ignigion. i dont know what is up with that.

leaves via door.
brutis
hammond, la, usa
Sunday, April 18, 2004 01:18:47 AM
IP: 65.0.121.31

*places ads in the tgs cr declaring "Wanted: absolute proof dc is dead and will never come back. Will pay virtually anything.*

1st, all email sent to dph_of_rules at yahoo dot com will most likely be deleted since all that account receives is spam.

2nd, Monday and Wednesday are my last classes before Finals. I have one final each day of the week.

**WARNING: INCOMING RANT**
No, this isn't about my dad. *sees several people in the shadows faint at that news.*

I was trying to organize a canoe float trip for some kids when I ran into snag. Even if the parents signed a notorized release statement, that wouldn't be good enough to protect against liability. That got me concerned. What the heck is this country coming to? Most parents don't have time to take their kids on trips and with the threat of being sued so high, virtually nobody will want to take kids anywhere for fear of something happenning to a kid and being sued over it. That's ridiculous. We're going to produce generations of kids who don't understand the beauty of the great outdoors or the joy of canoeing down a river.

**END RANT**

Have I mentioned that once upon a time, one of my ambitions was buying a canoe for the sole purpose of going on float trips?

I decided to wisely invest a limited amount of my money is reliving some of my younger days . . . by buying old episodes of Transformers. [Yes, I already own a complete set of gargoyles on VHS] Yes, it's worth it to relive some of my younger years. [I'm already sensitive about directly answering the question of how old I am so don't bother; some of us want to remain forever young at heart.] Some of the plots, in retrospect, seem . . . utterly stupid like cloning Optimus Prime [Teletran 1 couldn't determine where the real Autobot Matrix of Leadership was or did Megatron actually clone that]. It was nice to see the origin of Computron, again.

Sorry, DC's been bugging me these last few days. and he must . . no . . he shall pay dearly.

Reality TV - I'd still like to see a show where a group of Mexicans try to cross the border illegally with interesting obstacles and the big threat hanging over people's head about letting the border patrol know the gps coordinates.

Yea, Patrick didn't update us on the number of days until the Gathering today.

Damien - <hmm gene pool needs more chlorine> Disagree. Need to substitute 1/10 on the chlorine for . . hydrochloric acid or sulfuric acid.

Fire Storm - <Which is remarkably close to the actual figure in our wedding fund account.> So you don't think it's coincidence then?

Bud-Clare - The Gene Pool needs more life guards.

This just in . . I just killed a mother possum and am deciding on how to kill the babies 'humanely' so as to prevent suffering.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:54:30 AM
IP: 67.14.195.19

Gside: <VAX are used for voice? I wouldn't have thought they had the power>
Ah, I was thinking of something else. I dunno what a VAX is anyway.

Like it rough, eh?
<Or, if you don't want to give up pockets, a utilikilt.>
Na. Too male. If I ever did do that, I would follow the "you need to wear stockings with a skirt" part of the code too.
<It's at this point you start talking about exorbitant interest.>
200% hourly compounded?
<And speaking of exorbitant interest, couldn't you just get his credit card number?>
Na. He's all the way up north. Besides... I am not really sure he HAS a credit card.

Brutis: <dont worry i havent broken any laws yet>
Why the hell not?
Fire Storm
Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:59:39 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

comes into room using door...perches on file cabnate, picks lock while humming.**

fire storm dont worry i havent broken any laws yet, however i have come up with creative ways to bend them to my will. ;)

thoros, been there done that. got drunk done silly things. and all my friends think i am a dork anyway. cause at my house their is more electronic equipment than food. i would rather spend my money on music stuff and computer parts than eat sometimes. i know total geek...help me help me...

oh well since no one else has decided to post something i can annoy everyone with. i guess ill take my leave.
*leaves via window. closes this time* *doesent lock*
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:34:05 PM
IP: 65.0.121.31

Damien> <<Who tried to make love to a Puma>>: And let's not forget the reverse, like everyone's favorite: Leda.

Fire Storm> <>: VAX are used for voice? I wouldn't have thought they had the power.
<<The STD known as chest bursters?>>: I can handle some bursting.
<<Well, then the scream you would make wouldn't be a scream of pleasure, that's for sure!>>: Don't doubt what I can percieve as pleasure.
<>: Or, if you don't want to give up pockets, a utilikilt.
<<Which is remarkably close to the actual figure in our wedding fund account>>: It's at this point you start talking about exorbitant interest.
<<AND, as a bonus, my father hasn't sent the money he said he would>>: And speaking of exorbitant interest, couldn't you just get his credit card number?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:32:10 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

Woops. Had my name wrong on that last post. I spose that's what happens when you give blood and drink in the same day... *smacks face*
Tharos
Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:26:42 PM
IP: 69.40.138.107

Brutis: <<hey this is to the room. have yall heard that song by Phil Collins -Look Trough My Eyes-. it was on brother bear so some may have. if not listen to it, it will make you think of other people kinda an eye opener.>>
Yeah, but Phil's voice is kind of annoying. Wasn't he in Genesis though? They were sweet.

Speaking of music, I was at the CD store today (Dream Evil's "Dragonslayer" = awesome) and noticed there's a band called Tiamat. I freaked out like, "Sweet! That's my pic in the CR!" and my friends just shook their heads and walked away. God I'm a dork.
Tiamat
Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:23:57 PM
IP: 69.40.138.107

Gside: 
Yeah, I know. And I don't think we do. I dunno. I really don't mess much with the networking and voice systems here. I am more of a helldesk/UNIX script programmer
<Haven't had any luck with anything from this planet, so why rule out others?>
The STD known as chest bursters?
<That wouldn't stop me, wink wink, nudge nudge.>
Well, then the scream you would make wouldn't be a scream of pleasure, that's for sure!
<Unfortunately we didn't get any more money out of them, it was just a matter of phrasing in one of their books>
So? One small step for a woman, one giant leap away from the government!
<Why would you work at a place that enforces pants?>
I know... But I COULD wear a skirt or a dress (the company handbook IS gender neutral, after all!)
<Lost your reservation?>
No. All our reservations are doing remarkably well. LM's father called and basicailly said "I need $2400 so I don't get taken to court."
Which is remarkably close to the actual figure in our wedding fund account.
AND, as a bonus, my father hasn't sent the money he said he would.

Brutis: <thanks for the sites i am going to order me an actuall set to go with my i ball pic and tortion bar and the thousands of bent out of shape paperclips.>
Glad to encourage those that would break the law!

Damien: <reminds me of an old lymerick>
Works for me!
Fire Storm
Saturday, April 17, 2004 04:50:00 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Firestorm: <<It depends on the context, really. Tell me this isn't funny: A guy trying to molest an animal and the animal end up biting off certain body parts. >>
reminds me of an old lymerick
Oh pity the young prince montezuma
Who tried to make love to a Puma,
Seems the puma in play
tore his testes away
an example of animal humah

"Dormiatis dum diem"
Damien
Saturday, April 17, 2004 03:49:15 AM
IP: 209.121.87.149

thanks for the sites i am going to order me an actuall set to go with my i ball pic and tortion bar and the thousands of bent out of shape paperclips.

Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Saturday, April 17, 2004 02:33:24 AM
IP: 68.155.126.163

Vinnie> <<That's your opinion, not mine>>: The only opinion was on the excessivity of extra exclamation marks, and everyone draws their own line somewhere. It's just that a lot of people think that more than five is a sign of a deranged mind.

Ed> <<Note to self: ask Lady Macbeth how to get blood stains out>>: Unfortunately it isn't worth the travel to the multitudinous seas.

Fire Storm> <<No. Does he work here?>>: I can't tell, you do know I'm talking about Virtual Memory System, the operating system for VAXen?
<<Yeah, but so is smoking, but people still do that>>: Since my hemoglobin can't do their job with anything permanantly bound to them, I'd rather breath an equal amount of smoke, even if the smell, tar and other stuff is worse.
<>: Haven't had any luck with anything from this planet, so why rule out others?
<<She is gentle and delicate, I am full of acid>>: That wouldn't stop me, wink wink, nudge nudge.
<<She IS a superhero!>>: Unfortunately we didn't get any more money out of them, it was just a matter of phrasing in one of their books.
<>: Why would you work at a place that enforces pants?
<<with one call, the wedding has gone from "Sure money is tight, but everything is falling into place" to "... well, we're f$^&ed.">>: Lost your reservation?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, April 16, 2004 11:41:50 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

I got my kit at a local gun and knife show (I got the middle of the road kit.)

Mine is a SouthOrd MPXS-14: (and I confiscated some parts from kits others had me get for them, so my kit is a little bigger)
http://southord.com/catalog.asp?cat=locksmith

But there is always:
http://www.lockpicks.com/store.asp
and
http://securitycenteronline.com/cat_lock.cfm

But, truth be told, I usually use just my twist wrench and long jag pick
(lock-picks.com has a reference in Make your own kit)
Fire Storm
Friday, April 16, 2004 11:35:13 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

actually i am rather good at picking locks. including car doors and ignitions about 1 min. deadbolts 1 min, the master and brinks locks 40 sec , lockers 20 sec , filing cabnets (why bother). i dont really have much to do at my house so i pratce picking the locks around here.
ohhh you have a set. all i got is my crappy set that i found in the attic with most of the pieces missing. i have got good though with only 1 pic and torsion bar, and a paper clip or 2. i could really use another set can you tell me where i can get another one.

gotta go *leaves via door, leaving it open*

Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Friday, April 16, 2004 11:06:36 PM
IP: 68.155.126.163

Brutis: So, have you actually picked locks before? You keep mentioning it...
I love my little set of picks. Best $20 I ever spent. My best times have been around 5-10 seconds on Master locks, although I was pretty good on Shlegues.

And filing cabinet locks are laughable.
Fire Storm
Friday, April 16, 2004 08:13:16 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

lands on window sil. picks lock and climbs in.

Bud-clare<> look why dont you try saying it like it is spelled, than you will see that it is spelled the way it is said. but for you people who enjoy punctuality i will try to not write the way i talk. However being from louisiana it may be semi-difficult. (mutters in russian)

Fire storm <> dont worry weddings are expensive but the rewards are great, provided their is no divorce. i helped my dad a few years ago, its not that bad but it will get better.

hey this is to the room. have yall heard that song by Phil Collins -Look Trough My Eyes-. it was on brother bear so some may have. if not listen to it, it will make you think of other people kinda an eye opener.

well i gotta go now *leaves via door*
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Friday, April 16, 2004 08:05:36 PM
IP: 68.155.126.163

Gside: <You know VMS?>
No. Does he work here?
<That's not good. Carbon Monoxide is a very bad thing.>
Yeah, but so is smoking, but people still do that
<Constantly.>
I thought I wasn't your type, being, you know, alien and all.
<Spat witht the Lady?>
Na. Biological differences. She is gentle and delicate, I am full of acid.
<Exactly, but it could also run the other way depending on tastes and gifts>
And taxes!

She IS a superhero!
<It is, but you're not going to get corporations to admit to it.>
I think they should. I mean, what CAN most people do about it anyway? If their product is good, people will STILL buy it!
I mean, look at the Xbox

I was at work at the time, so I did indeed have pants on.

Youth N Asia: <There's nothing funny about molestation>
It depends on the context, really.
Tell me this isn't funny: A guy trying to molest an animal and the animal end up biting off certain body parts.

Whatever: 
Ah, dating is overrated. Unless you get many guys to date you, then you never have to pay for a meal again.

Bud-Clare: <Why?>
Because... um... well, because they don't remember it?
Ok... I dunno.

They are proof that evolution is a fraud?
We need the chainsaw of natural selection, STAT!

...and with one call, the wedding has gone from "Sure money is tight, but everything is falling into place" to "... well, we're f$^&ed."
Fire Storm
Friday, April 16, 2004 06:33:40 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Patrick > hey, now, don't go dissing on Survivor ... we may have to have words, my friend! ;)

Besides, most of those shows jumped the shark the minute someone sat down in a network boardroom and said, "Hey, I've got an idea for a show ..."

Site update! Got a couple of new pics! Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html

And while I'm at it, there's still almost two weeks to submit action-themed art, stories, game articles, and reviews for the May issue of Sabledrake Magazine!
Christine - [<----- new pics!]
Friday, April 16, 2004 05:58:25 PM
IP: 208.187.159.242

vinnie> <<I'd say your the one who is embarrassing yourself for being so supportive of such a horrible, distasteful, inept excuse for a TV show.>>
Exactly what gave you the impression that I've even _seen_ the show? And you missed the point besides. Learn to read.

And lay off the exclamation points, would you? It makes you sound like a hyperactive five year old.
Bud-Clare
Friday, April 16, 2004 04:19:30 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

I'm afraid that I won't make it to the gathering this year.
I'm getting my MOS(my job)changed to medical specialist. Base on my thyoid condition, I wouldn't be able to fuction fully in my current job which is fuel and electric repairer. That is what the phyical therpist said. Augest 25
is when I go to AIT(again) for training. I think it is going to be in maryland but I'm not sure. I really wanted to go to canada too.....(Sobs)
kjay - [korimia.j.hall@us.army.mil]
fort bliss, tx, usa
Friday, April 16, 2004 02:55:55 PM
IP: 172.136.242.61

bud-claire: <>
hmm gene pool needs more chlorine

Damien
Friday, April 16, 2004 02:22:30 PM
IP: 209.121.87.149

Bud-Clare:<Also because you have no life.> In your opinion only! <If you genuinely don't like the show, why would you waste time belittling it for no reason?> Normally I wouldn't have wasted my time but the question was asked "so will somone please tell me what this "24" is about." and I responded on instinct. Simple as that! <(Which begs the question, why do I bother talking to you? I'm clearly a hypocrite.)> You got that right! <Although for the record, "24 is supposed to be a STUPID, VAPID TV show" is a flat lie, since it was clearly not intended to be stupid and/or vapid, regardless of your thoughts on the matter. Please attempt to familiarize yourself with the English language before you embarrass yourself further.> I'd say your the one who is embarrassing yourself for being so supportive of such a horrible, distasteful, inept excuse for a TV show.

Patrick:<Re: "Stupid, vapid TV" > If you're looking for something to fit the bill, I'd suggest "Survivor" for starters. This real life version of "Gilligan's Island" jumped the shark at least three seasons ago.> I completely agree on that point, although maybe I just dislike reality-based shows.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, April 16, 2004 02:20:58 PM
IP: 216.234.123.55

Greg > If you're a member of the "Jewish Conspiracy" than I'm an Illuminatus. :P

Re: "Stupid, vapid TV" > If you're looking for something to fit the bill, I'd suggest "Survivor" for starters. This real life version of "Gilligan's Island" jumped the shark at least three seasons ago.

Just a reminder for anyone who has not yet registered for The Gathering 2004. There are only two weeks left before the pre-registration rates go up, and that deadline will not be extended again.

112 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!

"And remember, guns don't kill people... it's just that certain sound they make." - Eddie Izzard
Patrick - [<-- come to Canada... there's no snow in August, we promise!]
Friday, April 16, 2004 12:10:35 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

vinnie> <>
Also because you have no life. If you genuinely don't like the show, why would you waste time belittling it for no reason? (Which begs the question, why do I bother talking to you? I'm clearly a hypocrite.)

Although for the record, "24 is supposed to be a STUPID, VAPID TV show" is a flat lie, since it was clearly not intended to be stupid and/or vapid, regardless of your thoughts on the matter. Please attempt to familiarize yourself with the English language before you embarrass yourself further.
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Brutis> <<half the time i dont check what i type and everyone seems to understand me just fine.>>
*snorts* Sure, after rereading your semi-incoherent sentences three times or so. So, I try not to bother reading your posts at all, but I sometimes slip up.
_______________________
Annie> <>
That's the problem: some people don't...EVER. Visit fanfiction.net for numerous examples of people who don't bother proofreading. I can never quite decide whether to laugh or cry for the gene pool.
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silvadel> <<It would be nice if she enjoyed writing the books more -- as it stands she has pretty much said that after book 7 thats it...>>
...I'm thinking that you misunderstood something.
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Fire Storm> << It is something I bet they wish they never said.>>
Why?
Bud-Clare
Friday, April 16, 2004 11:09:16 AM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Lain: I think the poster missed the point of the book. I just responded in kind. You sound as if you're trying to rebrand 'Nineteen Eighty Four' as a morality tale about how 'nasties' (possibly foreign) took over because the population didn't have guns. The whole point was about the ability of your own government to curb *every* freedom: including of thought. Big Brother wasn't terrifying simply because nearly everyone was scared of him, but because so many people loved him -- including, ultimately, Winston. Even if he'd been granted the freedom of wielding a weapon, what good would it do him to use it? But at any rate, the argument is silly because lot of happy, free societies keep their government in check without guns. Indeed, hearing you talk about the Patriot Act, one wonders whether having pro-firearms people in government might be counterproductive as a solution for safeguarding civil liberties.

Gside: "Note to self: ask Lady Macbeth how to get blood stains out."
Ed
Friday, April 16, 2004 07:14:46 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

Greg Bishansky:<Interesting in that it sucked ass. Oh well, I was just beginning to write then. Learned the Do's and Don'ts while doing it. But I'm not afraid to admit it sucked.> Well if that's how you feel about your own work, but I still thought it was interesting. *Mutters-Try to compliment someone and look what you get*;)

Annie: I fully support you motion! But I'm afraid I can't speak for Greg Bishansky. This CR loses some of the fun when people start namecalling.

lain:<yeah. then we could have just avoided this whole stupid discussion. i vote we drop this one too. :P> I fully agree and support you on this. <meh, i didnt really care one way or the other. i thought the *ahem* capitAl letters were going a little overboard but.. if you didnt mean it that way, ill take you at your word. :)> Just trying to get a point across.

Gside: That's your opinion, not mine! All that matters in CR rooms like these is getting one's point across, in my opinion.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, April 16, 2004 02:56:28 AM
IP: 216.234.100.75

Vinnie> <<As a concession though maybe I should've used both "!?">>: No matter what if you want something to be interrogative, you need a question mark. You can add emphasis with exclamation marks if you want (just don't go overboard).

Ed> <<Remember how I told you last Christmas that buying Macbeth that dagger was asking for trouble? Well, you'll never guess what just happened>>: ...And now my best pajamas are ruined.

Lain> <<and would be cuter, too!>>: Even when it's flinging?
<<but sadly this doesnt count for me>>: Shame. And you're missing out on all the wild grammar parties, too.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, April 16, 2004 12:28:40 AM
IP: 69.141.212.54

flys into window. picks lock and perches on sill. looking over room.

I 3rd Annies motion cause no one is listing anyway. jeaze their actin like children.

thoros <> no sweat. i live with people who are like that. i have gottne used to it by now.

got to go now and find my amulet/neclace dont have any idea where i lost it.
*spreds wings and glides away* leaving window open*
was i hatched in a barn ... no in the hot, wet swamps of louisiana.
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:46:23 PM
IP: 65.0.102.102

LAIN> <<"the jewish people control america and the americans know it.">>

Lain... are you implying that we don't control America? Don't make me call my fellow members of the Jewish conspiravy to have you secretly killed ;)
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:17:41 PM
IP: 216.179.3.49

lain -
<GUESS THE QUOTE!>

That would be Ariel Sharon. Funny...wasn't it you who cited a couple of my quotes a little while back? Regardless, what do I win?

Peace
Z
Thursday, April 15, 2004 09:16:47 PM
IP: 67.67.114.123

today, an iraqi civilian was beaten *to death* by US troops because he refused to remove a picture of wanted Shiite Muslim leader Moqtada Sadr from his car.
yes mr bush, thats what i call "progress" all right.
makes ya proud, dont it..?

oo oo!! i have an even BETTER idea! bush should appoint john negroponte to replace paul bremer because of all the controversy surrounding the CIA-backed death squads in honduras that *cough* "didnt exist" under his watch. just think about it, hed be GREAT in iraq...
whats that you say? thats already in the works? splendid!!! delightful!! ...HAT!!!!

lynati>> <<Look, everybody! There's a funny monkey talking on TV!>>
how RUDE, insulting monkies like that. on behalf of all monkies, i take offense!
...besides, a monkey would do a MUCH better job of managing iraq (and would be cuter, too!) :P
(i know that was really low and obvious, i couldnt help it tho..)

vinnie>> <<As a concession though maybe I should've used both "!?" in that statement>>
yeah. then we could have just avoided this whole stupid discussion. i vote we drop this one too. :P
<<but I think it gets the message across fine the way it is>>
yeah, i thought it did too - at least, i knew what you meant by the comment. i only brought it up because i was trying to make little light-hearted teasings. i had momentarily forgotten that this CR cant take a joke... ill do my best to remember that for the future.
<>
meh, i didnt really care one way or the other. i thought the *ahem* capitAl letters were going a little overboard but.. if you didnt mean it that way, ill take you at your word. :)

gside>> <<The Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary uses bite. And it even has "programme" in the definition>>
oh the betrayal!
<<But there's a lot of fun to be had in pointless things>>
some, yes. but sadly this doesnt count for me.

ed>> <<Lain: Of course, by the same logic you could read instead, "Winston Smith was not allowed to wield nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. Why do you think that was?">>
i believe this is a classic example of what they call either a) missing the point or b) deliberately trying to draw a silly paralell in order to detract from the validity of the original statement.
also, i believe that the US and britain (and quite a few others) are in posession of nuclear weapons for the *specific purpose* of deterring nasties from attacking them. so um.. yeah.

annie>> <<Vote now to get Greg and Vinnie to CUT IT OUT ALREADY!!!>>
yay, trap-shutting! pie for everyone!

and now on to: GUESS THE QUOTE!
it works like this, i give you a quote and you guess who said it (youre not allowed to guess if ive already told you the answer somewhere else!)

#1 *ahem* (this ones good.. though i must say that one obvious word had been omitted from this quote which would have given away the speaker)

"every time we do something you tell me america will do this and will do that... i want to tell you something very clear: dont worry about american pressure on israel... the jewish people control america and the americans know it."
- ??? 3 oct, 2001
lain "$h!t disturbing" iwakura
Thursday, April 15, 2004 08:45:52 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

I second Annies motion,
all for?
All opposed?

the motion is passed.
Next on the agenda
Damien
Thursday, April 15, 2004 07:46:52 PM
IP: 209.121.87.149

::Votes in Annie's poll::
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, April 15, 2004 06:26:49 PM
IP: 199.93.82.185

Vote now to get Greg and Vinnie to CUT IT OUT ALREADY!!! Play nice kids, I think you've gotten the point across. At least take it our of the CR so the rest of us don't have to listen to ya squabble amongst yourselves. Sheesh...
Annie
ID
Thursday, April 15, 2004 06:09:48 PM
IP: 208.187.168.34

Lynati:<<New radio commercial...7-11....Thom Adcox...talking hotdog...>>

Try to catch it on tape. :p

Then bring it to the Gathering. :D
Leo
Thursday, April 15, 2004 05:04:17 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Brutis: <<btw i love the song (gargoyles angels of darkness) i have it on 6 diffrens burned cds and on both of my computers. it is also nice to find somone else who will actually listen to the words and not dissmiss it for it being hard rock/metal. if you want a copy of the words from that song just drop me an email and i will try to send it your way. (fair warning i only check email every few days so it may take a few days to respond if you mail me) >>
No prob dude, I have the words... actually I have all their albums, one of my favorite bands. Yay symphonic!
And yeah, I wasn't really meaning to offend you with the typo thing - just acting like a dick. :) I can be that way.
Tharos
Thursday, April 15, 2004 03:11:53 PM
IP: 69.40.143.123

*stumbles in laughing, manages to gasp out between giggles:*

New radio commercial...7-11....Thom Adcox...talking hotdog...

*falls out of chair hiccoughing*
Lynati
school!
Thursday, April 15, 2004 03:01:40 PM
IP: 216.87.49.200

Vinnie> <<interesting piece of work>>

Interesting in that it sucked ass. Oh well, I was just beginning to write then. Learned the Do's and Don'ts while doing it. But I'm not afraid to admit it sucked.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, April 15, 2004 02:16:29 PM
IP: 216.179.3.49

ED:<As Vash might say... Dude! If every comment in this room were a little ray of sunshine, your comments would be the ones caught behind a solar eclipse. To help you out, I�ve made a short list of some upbeat words you might like to try out: �Splendid�, �wonderful�, �delightful�, �gorgeous�, �hat�.> So you want something more upbeat. Well I can definitely say Greg Bishansky's crossover with Babylon5 was an interesting piece of work, to bad he left it unfinished. Oh well, only so many hours in the day I guess!;)

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, April 15, 2004 04:23:19 AM
IP: 66.103.238.40

Greg: Er, did I say 'hat'? I meant to say 'pie'...
Ed
Thursday, April 15, 2004 03:20:30 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

ED> <<�hat�>>

FREE HAT! FREE HAT! Hat McCullough has been unjustly imprisoned. Everybody knows that the only reason he killed those thirty-six babies in self-defense. FREE HAT! FREE HAT! FREE HAT!
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, April 15, 2004 03:18:25 AM
IP: 216.179.3.49

Vinnie: As Vash might say... Dude! If every comment in this room were a little ray of sunshine, your comments would be the ones caught behind a solar eclipse. To help you out, I�ve made a short list of some upbeat words you might like to try out: �Splendid�, �wonderful�, �delightful�, �gorgeous�, �hat�.

Gside: "Dear Diary. Remember how I told you last Christmas that buying Macbeth that dagger was asking for trouble? Well, you'll never guess what just happened..."

Brutis: It's probably best to check out '24' at the start of a season or on DVD rentals if you're interested, since it's so highly serialised.
Ed
Thursday, April 15, 2004 03:05:09 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

VINNIE> <<That rude statement definitely proves you to be immature, so I guess you're a child>>

Well, I know that one of us has at least on occasion demonstrated basic social skills, and it sure as hell wasn't you.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, April 15, 2004 02:20:38 AM
IP: 216.179.3.49

Greg Bishansky:<Not too surprised, it is one of the most intelligent shows currently on after all ;)> That rude statement definitely proves you to be immature, so I guess you're a child.

Gside:<Even with one option, "Which you are." sounds more natural to me.> Except that statement is NOT what was intended and "Which is you!" just sounds stupid to me, so I'm stick with the statement "Which are you!". As a concession though maybe I should've used both "!?" in that statement, but I think it gets the message across fine the way it is.

silvadel:<Is it worth watching The Goliath Chronicles....?> Try watching TGC with the sound turned down or muted, you'll find it much more enjoyable.

Brutis:<thanks for the info on "24" i have still never heard of it but it must be because of where i live. or just that my tv doesent usually leave the cartoons. *i love my cartoons*> Count yourself lucky then!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, April 15, 2004 01:59:29 AM
IP: 66.103.238.40

blue sphere drops me in the room. i perch on a celing rafter and look over it.

thoros<> thanks for the acknolegement. i actually spelled it wrong on purpose to show that people really can understand it written wrong. you will constantly find typos in my writing. and i am not ashamed to admit that i csant spell my way out of a wet paper bag.

btw i love the song (gargoyles angels of darkness) i have it on 6 diffrens burned cds and on both of my computers. it is also nice to find somone else who will actually listen to the words and not dissmiss it for it being hard rock/metal. if you want a copy of the words from that song just drop me an email and i will try to send it your way. (fair warning i only check email every few days so it may take a few days to respond if you mail me)

thanks for the info on "24" i have still never heard of it but it must be because of where i live. or just that my tv doesent usually leave the cartoons. *i love my cartoons*

i know it is hard to belive that humters moon is here already. (smacks head) where did the weeks go. i never did really care for many of the goliath cronicals. there is a few that i will watch though.

i wasnt really talking about getting jussed out of the room for mistakes i just was wondering why everyone was fussing all of a sudden for it.

wow look at me my messages just keep getting longer and longer. *shame on me...bad hands bad hands...*

"Felectrose mennietro abrundiee" blue sphere takes me away
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Thursday, April 15, 2004 01:19:14 AM
IP: 65.0.123.12

Sheesh Hunters Moon already... Didnt take long at all to get through all of the normal episodes at 2 episodes per night... Only question is:

Is it worth watching The Goliath Chronicles....?

I know I didnt like what they did to TGS in that third season when it initially aired and I didnt watch many of those episodes... So at least they have that going for them... Annoyingly enough there were ZERO missed episodes for me from the main series.

silvadel
Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:33:27 AM
IP: 24.225.220.194

Brutis> <>: As I said, typos are one thing, ignorance is another.

Lain> <<well then, they suck. oxford rules!>>: The Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary uses bite. And it even has "programme" in the definition.
<<since vinnie himself has claimed it was intended as a statement and *not* a question, that would make it the SECOND option, not the first>>: But it was still preceeded by two options, pointing strongly to a choice that needs to be made, hence interrogative. Even with one option, "Which you are." sounds more natural to me. I'm having trouble coming up with an example of the third person other than something in the form "...and the last position we have to assign is goalie, which is you, Jones."
<<punctuation..al..thingy..(i dont think that word exists but.. you know what i mean)>>: For all I like seeing proper grammar and spelling, I'm also adamantly in favor of new word creation via verbing, nouning, adjectivizing, adverbializing, etc.
<<its very pointless>>: But there's a lot of fun to be had in pointless things.

Ed> <<"Write Duncan's diary for the night he was murdered.">>: Dear Dia~

Todd> <<Duncan, like almost everyone else in 11th century Scotland who wasn't a priest, was most likely illiterate and therefore wouldn't have been able to write out a diary entry>>: That's where stick figures come in. I can just imagine the stick representation of the quickie he grabbed with the scullery maid before the banquet.

Damien> <<How are these pronounced differently?>>: Said, written, the line gets blurred when talking about previous written conversation ("As I said in my letter to George last week,...").

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:23:15 AM
IP: 69.141.212.54

<>

Not too surprised, it is one of the most intelligent shows currently on after all ;)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:38:06 PM
IP: 216.179.3.49

Lynati:<you know, I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions...> That's right my opinions are my opinions! <but the fact that it is blatantly obvious that you are only insulting "24" because lain seems to enjoy it so much isn't exactly winning points for free speech.> I AM NOT INSULTING A TV SHOW BECAUSE LAIN ENJOYS IT! I insulted the show because I don't personally enjoy it, NOT BECAUSE LAIN LIKES IT.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:26:23 PM
IP: 66.103.238.40

Damien: Winston Smith is the protagonist of 'Nineteen Eighty Four', a book about a dystopian future (it was the future in 1948) where a totalitarian state crushes free will. The poster seems to suggest that a firearm would be of immense help to Winston Smith in defending his civil liberties against an omniscient and nigh-on omnipotent totalitarian government and a brainwashed population.

Lain: Of course, by the same logic you could read instead, "Winston Smith was not allowed to wield nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. Why do you think that was?"
Ed
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 08:08:53 PM
IP: 213.187.38.252

Vinnie: you know, I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions...but the fact that it is blatantly obvious that you are only insulting "24" because lain seems to enjoy it so much isn't exactly winning points for free speech.
Lynati
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 07:28:21 PM
IP: 66.142.231.20

lain: I don't get it...
damien
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 06:12:34 PM
IP: 209.121.87.149

Brutis <<most of the time grammer is not an issue>>
You do realize that when you're talking about your opinions on grammar, it's hard to take you seriously when you spell it wrong like 5 times. Meh, I live with bad grammar all the time, it still bothers me sometimes, though.
And FINALLY, someone else has heard that song. Thanks, dude.
Tharos
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 03:42:15 PM
IP: 69.40.136.31

sweeeeet! :D
lain
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 03:40:09 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

hmm 2 cars.. same year and model, different colors, but one has a few things wrong with it, But has all the extras, and the other is dying, but has the parts for the one with the extra's... Hmmm
Which should i keep?

LAIN> <<shut up already!! some of us want to watch something INTERESTING on TV like... you know... "24", not YOUR stupid blatherings! :P>> this is why I stopped watching the "main networks" in the US in about 2000, Because i got tired of loosing my shows to 2 morons debating on Po-tay-to/Pa-tah-to
(speaking of which, anyone remeber the voting commecials with the caractures of bush and gore? gore (as a donkey) with I invented this and that, and bush (as an elephant) with I'm just like my Dad)?

<<its supposed to be "sound BYTES" even though everyone seems to say "sound bites">>
How are these pronounced differently?

brutis: <dont send me hate mail (unless you want to) but i have to ask what is 24. i have not heard of that and i dont know anything relating to it. so will somone please tell me what this "24" is about. > i dont really know 'cause i dont watch it, but i heard that each season is 24 1 hour episodes

Damien
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:25:03 PM
IP: 207.6.144.51

ED - I got a smile out of your description of the Duncan's diary assignment; it really makes you wonder what the people in the Department of Education over in the UK must be thinking. (I wonder what would happen if a student who'd been given that assignment turned in a blank sheet of paper, explaining that Duncan, like almost everyone else in 11th century Scotland who wasn't a priest, was most likely illiterate and therefore wouldn't have been able to write out a diary entry.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 07:02:49 AM
IP: 4.244.12.247

So about this Bush press conference... he didn't say "the sky is falling" did he? ;)

Lain: A-ha! I noticed this intensely irritating "could care less" business. At first I thought people were making this mistake a lot out of coincidence. It's just horrible.

Todd: I know that grammar classes in the UK are as rare as hen's teeth. We ended up having to basically muddle along ourselves. Although it could have been much worse judging by some of the bizarre assignments in some of the textbooks (which thankfully our teacher never asked us to do). According to the paper today, these were only the first in a wave of 'empathy' assignments sweeping through classrooms. My personal favourite was "Write Duncan's diary for the night he was murdered."

Brutis: '24' is a drama series. Each season is 24 episodes and every episode is in 'real time'. Apart from that, and the lovely use of split screens, it's a normal television show -- although easily the best on television that I'm aware of right now IMO.
Ed
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 06:39:15 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

vinnie>> <<"Which are You" worked better with an Exclamation Mark than a Question Mark because it was not meant to be a question>>
uuuh, if it wasnt meant to be a question, then i win and you and gside lose, nyah ;)
<<"24" is supposed to be a STUPID, VAPID TV show>>
inasmuch as every TV show is stupid and vapid, naturally.
<<that gives a running commentary in the life of a law enforcement agent in one twentyfour hour period>>
which is a neat idea, you must admit.
<<The catch is that each episode only documents an hour of his life>>
the other catch is that each hour is usually filled with lots of shooting, complicated terrorist plottings - and possibly torture - what more could you want!? (plus jack bauer is just yummy!) :D

bruits>> <<dont send me hate mail (unless you want to) but i have to ask what is 24>>
why would we send hate mail about that? in any case, i think vinnie answered your question fairly adequately. :)

gside>> <<Webster and Cambridge both say bite>>
well then, they suck. oxford rules! *snootysnootsnoot*
extra "u"s for EVERYONE!!!! ;)
<<And I don't see the phrase's origin particularly related to computers>>
possibly related to a digitally recorded sound segment? .. maybe its a british/canadian thing? ed?
if you do a search for the word "soundbyte" you get lots of results, but then you do also for "soundbite". byte makes much more sense to me because of the digital aspect "soundbytes are small, digestible sound clips for your user interface" but.. whatever i guess.
<<Capital. I don't think anyone gets their letters specifically from the U.S. government>>
yeah yeah yeah, but i covered my butt by saying mistakes still slip in. (me learned spelly all goodly but not always, especially when sweepy at 3am *zzz* ;))
<<But it's still second person. To be is congjugated I am, you (sing.) are, he/she/it is, we are, you (pl.) are, they are>>
*sigh*
it comes down to: is it "which ARE you?" or "which are YOU!" ? since vinnie himself has claimed it was intended as a statement and *not* a question, that would make it the SECOND option, not the first.

greg b>> <<Okay, turns out that 24 will be played this Sunday>>
woo!

todd>> <<However, judging from what I've heard and read about the decline of education recently, I'm fearing that it's the latter>>
yeah, i agree, unfortunately.

leo>> <<It's like.. your 'signature.' ;p>>
if you say so ;)

leo/damien>> <<LOL! I read it like this: "Only Children or Idiots use the term anymore, for name calling. Which are you?" (as in: "Are you a child or an idiot?") ;D>>
see above response to gside. if it was meant as a question, as gside previously attested, then the error was in punctuation. however vinnie has subsequently stated it was meant as a statement and NOT a question, therefore the error is gramatical and not punctuation..al..thingy..(i dont think that word exists but.. you know what i mean) :P
.. can we stop this discussion? its very pointless..

on an unrelated note, here is the website of the *cough* "security consultants" that were killed in iraq a few days ago. i looked them up, because i do that.
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/
"our mission is to provide the client with veteran military, intelligence and law enforcement professionals with demonstrated field operations performance tempered with mature experience in both foreign and domestic requirements. we employ only the most highly motivated and professional operators, all drawn from various u.s. and international special operations forces, intelligence and law enforcement organizations"
...though in their defence, they DO have one HECK of a sweet-@$$ training facility.. me wanty.. *drool*
lain
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 04:32:41 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

lain:<but.. in any case, i was intending only to lightly tease, not cause a big scene.> Obviously, you missed the fact that I was doing the same thing to you.;)

LEO:<LOL! I read it like this: "Only Children or Idiots use the term anymore, for name calling. Which are you?" (as in: "Are you a child or an idiot?") ;D> You be about right, but I felt that the STATEMENT "Which are You" worked better with an Exclamation Mark than a Question Mark because it was not meant to be a question.

Brutis:<dont send me hate mail (unless you want to) but i have to ask what is 24. i have not heard of that and i dont know anything relating to it. so will somone please tell me what this "24" is about.> "24" is supposed to be a STUPID, VAPID TV show that gives a running commentary in the life of a law enforcement agent in one twentyfour hour period. The catch is that each episode only documents an hour of his life.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 03:14:55 AM
IP: 66.103.238.1

blue sphere drops me in room. i cap wings and step over to side and listen.

wow tough croud *keeps eyes open for flying objects*

i aggre with annie. most of the time grammer is not an issue but, it is all of a sudden somethihg. well i think your all overdoing the grammer issue. half the time i dont check what i type and everyone seems to understand me just fine. and i notice that a lot of other people have errors in their typing but they dont usually get complained out of the room. one thing, *( get over it )* and dont send me hate mail for complaining about all you complainers.

Thoros<>i have the gargoyles angels of darkness by rahpsody actually saved on my computer. it is one of my favorite songs. i have the words to it written down uhhh someware on the hard drive. i think that would make a kool music video i agree with you there. i have plenty of multimedia skills but allas i have no desire to enter into anything. i will keep the video in my head.

sorry to hear that your leaving the adm. position greg. i enjoy listinign to you chew people out. it remins me of my wonderous disfunctional family.

dont send me hate mail (unless you want to) but i have to ask what is 24. i have not heard of that and i dont know anything relating to it. so will somone please tell me what this "24" is about.

wow i love this 20 diffrent conversations going at once and i never know about half of it. i got to check the cr more than once every 3 or 4 days.

i must take my leave of you all for now. i got to get back to work rewriteing this stoupid program *(damn windows mellinium)* . it isnt getting done with me sitting in the cr, posting mindless drivil that no one is going to read.

"Felectrose mennietro abrundiee" blue sphere takes me away

Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 01:43:01 AM
IP: 65.0.126.83

Okay, turns out that 24 will be played this Sunday. So you're off the hook Shrubby... for now ;)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:03:19 AM
IP: 216.179.3.105

Annie> <<On another note, why is everyone so darn concerned with grammer, punctuation, and that blasted thing called spelling?>>: It's not so much concerned as too many repeated errors get annoying. We're rather tolerant of typos from people who know they're wrong (see Green Baron), but otherwise that's all you have to present yourself in this type of forum.

Lain> <<it is simply a turn of phrase intended to describe language of english in its propor form>>: Especially of the more Brittish nature (u in colour, etc.).
<<its supposed to be "sound BYTES" even though everyone seems to say "sound bites">>: Webster and Cambridge both say bite (though they differ on whether there's a space in the middle). And I don't see the phrase's origin particularly related to computers, so y doesn't really make sense to me there.
<>: Capital. I don't think anyone gets their letters specifically from the U.S. government.
<<"greg" is a singular, not a plural. therefore "greg is", not "greg are", no?>>: But it's still second person. To be is congjugated I am, you (sing.) are, he/she/it is, we are, you (pl.) are, they are.

Tharos> <>: Most members of my family have one particular grammar nit they watch out for (e.g. fewer vs. less).
<>: For 6th through 9th grades I had separate Literature and Language Arts classes.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:39:54 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

LAIN> <<you better be!!! i dont have time to go reading everyones blogs all the time :P>>

I'm posting right now aren't I?

LYNATI> <<Look, everybody! There's a funny monkey talking on TV!>>

Have I told you lately how much you rule?

LAIN> <<shut up already!! some of us want to watch something INTERESTING on TV like... you know... "24", not YOUR stupid blatherings! :P>>

WHAT! WHAT! WHAT! They cancelled 24 for Bush????? 24?????? FOR BUSH!!!!!!!!!!! This is the last straw. Everything else he's done was bad, but this is truly the ultimate sin. Lock and load, we do to him what the CIA did to JFK ;)
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:14:12 PM
IP: 216.179.3.105

Todd Jensen: <<I've often wondered about the fact that there's so much sloppy spelling and grammar on the Internet (and I mean in general; I'm not talking solely about this place). I hope that this is just a case of people writing something in such a hurry that they didn't have time to proofread it and not a matter of a genuine decline in these skills. However, judging from what I've heard and read about the decline of education recently, I'm fearing that it's the latter. (I sometimes uneasily wonder how long it'll be before "it's" comes to officially replace "its" after the people who use "its" realize that people insist on using "it's" for "its" and simply won't learn better.) >>
If people start using "it's" as a possessive, I'm going to become a hermit and never talk to anyone again. I thought my english teacher and I were the only ones who sat around and complained about that! Education lacks grammar severely lately. In 10th grade I hit honors english and it was a rude awakening - 3 years later I think taking that class was the best decision of my life. I don't know if this is just my area, but english classes are just creative writing and collages.
Tharos
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:06:49 PM
IP: 69.40.143.198

*beats george w*

shut up already!! some of us want to watch something INTERESTING on TV like... you know... "24", not YOUR stupid blatherings! :P
theres only so many times i can hear the phrases "if wed have known terrorists were going to strike, wed have moved heaven and earth" and "well, we werent going to go tit for tat" before i start to feel ill...

ARGH!!!
the ONE show i follow.. figures..
*bangs head on table*
lain
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 09:20:03 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

Look, everybody! There's a funny monkey talking on TV!
Lynati
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 09:13:16 PM
IP: 66.142.229.222

I've often wondered about the fact that there's so much sloppy spelling and grammar on the Internet (and I mean in general; I'm not talking solely about this place). I hope that this is just a case of people writing something in such a hurry that they didn't have time to proofread it and not a matter of a genuine decline in these skills. However, judging from what I've heard and read about the decline of education recently, I'm fearing that it's the latter. (I sometimes uneasily wonder how long it'll be before "it's" comes to officially replace "its" after the people who use "its" realize that people insist on using "it's" for "its" and simply won't learn better.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 06:48:33 PM
IP: 4.244.12.176

leo: <LOL! I read it like this: "Only Children or Idiots use the term anymore, for name calling. Which are you?" (as in: "Are you a child or an idiot?") ;D > same here...
Dmien
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 05:46:17 PM
IP: 207.6.144.51

Re: "Queen's English" :D

gside/lain<<<<gside>> <<I'd say the graver error was in the punctuation. "Which are" sounds good enough to me, but is would be required for "Which is pertinent to">>
yes, but "greg" is a singular, not a plural. therefore "greg is", not "greg are", no?>>

LOL! I read it like this: "Only Children or Idiots use the term anymore, for name calling. Which are you?" (as in: "Are you a child or an idiot?") ;D

lain (only):<> It's like.. your 'signature.' ;p
Leo
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 05:42:54 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Unrelated to anything and out of the blue...
About the Gathering's music video contest: Did anyone ever hear Rhapsody's song "Gargoyles: Angels of Darkness"? It's not based on the TV show or anything, but it's so fitting. If I had any multimedia skill at all, I'd totally use it in the contest. Someone with computer know-how should check it out, it'd be sweet.
Tharos
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 03:15:28 PM
IP: 69.40.137.77

vinnie>> <<Excuse me... I'm no queen or even royalty I'm Bluecollar, not Blueblood>>
uuuh, neither am i?
<<Why should I use a form of snobbishness?>>
*sighs*
vinne... "the queens english" has absolutely nothing to do with queens or royalty. it is simply a turn of phrase intended to describe language of english in its propor form.
i would not have thought that the propor use of english would constitute "snobbishness" but.. in any case, i was intending only to lightly tease, not cause a big scene.
i am apparently the only one who cares about things like the fact that its supposed to be "sound BYTES" even though everyone seems to say "sound bites" nowadays.. and that the corret term is "i couldnt care less" not the ever-popular "i could care less"...

annie>> <<On another note, why is everyone so darn concerned with grammer, punctuation, and that blasted thing called spelling?>>
we arent, usually - unless it starts getting in the way of understand peoples posts. mostly i was just trying to make a light-hearted comment but.. some people apparently cant take a joke...
.. on a related note, i post with no capitol letters or apostrophes in here on purpose, not because i dont know any better ;)
<>
i try to also, though things still slip by ;)

gside>> <<I'd say the graver error was in the punctuation. "Which are" sounds good enough to me, but is would be required for "Which is pertinent to">>
yes, but "greg" is a singular, not a plural. therefore "greg is", not "greg are", no? "which you are" would satisfy equally, though.

greg>> <<Take care. Been fun most of the time, and I'll still be around>>
*shakes fist*
you better be!!! i dont have time to go reading everyones blogs all the time :P
lain
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 03:10:37 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

18 days left before Gathering 2004 pre-registration prices increase.
19 days left to submit entries for the Gathering T-shirt contest (deadline is May 1).
80 days left to submit entries for the Music Video contest (deadline is July 1).
85 days left to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville (deadline is July 6 at noon).

115 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!

Patrick
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 06:57:38 AM
IP: 65.43.155.46

[I'm no queen or even royalty I'm Bluecollar, not Blueblood. Why should I use a form of snobbishness?]
...
...
nono...Just gonna back away...let lain handle this one....yeah...

Lynati
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 04:07:36 AM
IP: 66.142.236.167

Greg Bishansky: <And as I previously said, 'Moron' is not a name. As such, it cannot be used for name calling.> You say the word 'Moron' in such a childish way that I have no choice but believe that you are using that word for name calling. Well, enjoy yourself and have fun. But try not to get yourself arrested or do you consider that to be fun.;)

lain: <"is" vinnie, not "are".> That was more of a statement then a question as evidenced by the "!" instead of a "?" <*pets the queens english* its OK honey, i still love you...> Excuse me... I'm no queen or even royalty I'm Bluecollar, not Blueblood. Why should I use a form of snobbishness?;)
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 03:52:24 AM
IP: 216.234.98.191

Lynati I'm thinking: I do think I will give that a shot. But like so many of you, I am a student with the full compliments of homework so I don't know how long this sample might take. Keep in mind though, I'm working on it.

On another note, why is everyone so darn concerned with grammer, punctuation, and that blasted thing called spelling? I take an extra 3 minutes trying to proof in here a lot, mainly for the spelling thing...
Annie
ID
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 01:02:23 AM
IP: 208.187.168.161

AHH, that would be why,
I still have to read dark ages season 1 and pendragon 3 + 4
tho due to exams and working on car won't start them for a while..
Damien
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:24:51 AM
IP: 209.121.87.149

Fire Storm &> <<5th, WITH pants>>: I don't believe you.

Lain> <<"is" vinnie, not "are">>: I'd say the graver error was in the punctuation. "Which are" sounds good enough to me, but is would be required for "Which is pertinent to".

Greg> <<The CR stopped being fun for me a long while back>>: And who knows, without the pressures of adminhood it might become fun again. But fare thee well, in any case.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, April 12, 2004 11:27:26 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

Damien:<<where does it say duval is lancelot?>>

*looks back ovre last weeks posts to find where that was mentioned*

Ah, hmm. Well, If you haven't gotten to TGS Pendragon Season 3 yet, just forget you ever read that. Some of the early TGS seasons have been around a while so it's possible you will come accross other "spoilers" from stories you haven't read yet. Sometimes we forget that some of our newer posters might not have read as far as we have. Oh well...
Leo
Monday, April 12, 2004 09:58:14 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

WAIDAMINIT!
where does it say duval is lancelot? I noticed it has overwelmingly hinted he is one of the knights but it hasn't specifically said.... I don't think....

greg b.> well i'd say its too bad, but i cant really remeber who posts what (too short of attention span)
oh well as long as you're still alive...

Damien
Monday, April 12, 2004 07:00:59 PM
IP: 209.121.87.149

Okay, I've come to realise a few things very recently.

The CR stopped being fun for me a long while back. not any of your problems, just mine. 99% of my posts in here for a long time have been me yelling at other people. I'm just tired of it.

I'm not leaving the CR entirely, but I am resigning as a moderator. And let's face it, I've been a crappy one too. Though some of you already knew that. I am not apologizing to anyone, because I do not feel I owe one to any body in here, let's make that clear.

I will not be gone entirely, if a topic in here catches my interest I'll post, and when the next waves of stories are released, I'll be in here.

If anyone wants to keep up with me, click my name for my personal blog ;)

Take care. Been fun most of the time, and I'll still be around.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, April 12, 2004 04:48:32 PM
IP: 216.179.3.105

vinnie>> <<In other words only Children or Idiots use the term anymore, for name calling. Which are you!>>
"is" vinnie, not "are".
*pets the queens english* its OK honey, i still love you...

youth n asia>> <<Ignoring him would have been best>>
yeah, probably.
<<There's nothing funny about molestation. At all.>>
indeed.
<<What an entirely foolish idea. Fanfiction has largely helped maintain interest in the property; it would be silly to end it simply because some version of the show returns>>
i agree. however this is the "old staffs" view of the idea, i dont actually know what the rest of the "new staff" thinks of it, because i dont think weve actually talked about it. however, id like to think we would continue TGS even if the show came back.
<<Do you have a cite?>>
actually no - but i might be able to find one if you give me a bit..
<<I would need to read the case, but personally, that doesn't seem to be a wrong decision. Laws such as that one serve a valid, legitimate government interest in protecting the health and safety of pregnant women and the unborn>>
yes but according to "law"... the unborn are not persons, since abortion is not murder. this law, when seen in the context of others, would seem to imply that the unborn are people only if the mother *wants* them, which is just creepy. i cant wait for the case where someone beats a woman and kills the baby and his excuse is "well, she was going to have an abortion the next day so it doesnt count!"
:P

silvadel>> <<It also showed me where you guys got the pictures of future brooklyn -- they were right there in that episode... I think the last time I saw that episode was 1996 ;)>>
ayup!
<>
GEEZER ALERT!!!!
;)

srsjr>> <<And, as of 10:20am today... I will be officially 35... and there was much rejoycing. (yaaaay...)>>
AAAAAAH!!!!! ALERT ALERT!!! another geezer!!!!
;)

krista>> <<How come they never show Deadly Force on TV? They always skip it.>>
usually they dont think its "appropriate" for children because of the violence/blood. theyve made another bunch of other stupid and unnecessary edits in the wake of 11 sept, too. apparently children cant handle the word "terrorist", poor darlings.
lain
Monday, April 12, 2004 04:45:12 PM
IP: 4.7.35.8

bule flame drops me on the middle of a table top. i retrete to a corner of the room.

not much to talk about yet in here.

i think that brooklyn is the perfect carecter for the TD series. he just shows a control of himslef that i dont think that any of the others display save for sata. plus he has had to learn about life the kinda hard way so he is not going to be used so easly if a situation should come up.

dont worry i miss the countdown almost everytime. even when i think i have it by the time i post it it too late. *sigh*

i aggree i dont know what the big deal with prostitution is. i think that it is illigal cause of the things that can be contracted from sex and the gov is not wanting to pay for a mistake. (cheap bastards)

well since there is nothing else to talk about ill take my leave. "Deflagrate muri intervalia"
blue flame takes me away
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, louisiana, usa
Monday, April 12, 2004 04:16:12 PM
IP: 65.0.121.56

Vinnie> <<In other words only Children or Idiots use the term anymore, for name calling. Which are you!>>

And as I previously said, 'Moron' is not a name. As such, it cannot be used for name calling.

Youth N Asia> <<There's nothing funny about molestation. At all.>>

Then you clearly do not watch enough "South Park" ;)

"I don't understand why prostitution is illegal. Selling is legal, fucking is legal. So, why isn't it legal to sell fucking? Why should it be illegal to sell something that's legal to give away? I can't follow the logic. Of all the things you can do to a person, giving them an orgasm is hardly the worst. In the army they give you a medal for killing people; in civilian life you go to jail for giving them orgasms. Am I missing something?"
- George Carlin
Greg Bishansky
Monday, April 12, 2004 04:00:02 PM
IP: 216.179.3.105

Greg Bishansky:<'Moron' is not a name. ;)> Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

In other words only Children or Idiots use the term anymore, for name calling. Which are you!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, April 12, 2004 03:27:28 PM
IP: 216.234.101.119

#16!
I wish I were. Then I could date. *sighs and retreats back to other Gargoyles Saga site to the Castle of Mirrorbane*
Ktista, Wordpainter, Marleena(from my fanfic)Narcissa,(also from fanfic) just call me whatever, (one of these, don't care which at the moment)
Monday, April 12, 2004 03:01:06 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201

[[Wow, how clever of you. ::rolls eyes::

You do realize you are banned don't you. Of course you'll probably find yet another new IP or slither along in with another name. You just have so much time on your hands don't you. I'll bet your a pathetic loser in real life who can't get laid, except for when his daddy molests him.

Only explanation I can think of for all your trollish behavior. ]]

Two things.

One, Lynati is right - if he's a troll then you're handling the situation in the worst way possible by *feeding* the troll. Ignoring him would have been best, but insulting him is foolish and as a mod, you should be "above" such things. You should especially refrain from making the types of comments you did. Which brings me to point two:

There's nothing funny about molestation. At all. Not even using it as an insult. Using that as an insult only brings you down into the lowest common denominator.
Youth N Asia
Monday, April 12, 2004 02:54:55 PM
IP: 164.82.144.3

Man, I didn't go to school today so I thought I might be able to get on the countdown. I suck at life.
Tharos
Monday, April 12, 2004 12:38:49 PM
IP: 69.40.136.254

D'OH!
Leo
Monday, April 12, 2004 06:59:15 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

:blinks:
Woah, that was a quick count. :-/

12th.
Leo
Monday, April 12, 2004 06:58:44 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Oh, and... 12th! ^_^
Ed
Monday, April 12, 2004 06:56:54 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

Silvadel: Yes, I know about coursework and grade inflation, but it's a reformed version of the O-Level (which stands for Ordinary Level GCE). It's a direct replacement. Of course, Rowling took O-levels and taught GCSE so I'm sure she's familiar with both.

DPH: Well, Brooklyn's one of the few characters that could helm it. But I'm not really investd in his character enough to really follow it. And to all intents and purposes, there was only one Macbeth episode before "City of Stone" (since "Lighthouse" had him as principally a secondary villain). I don't think having too few arc episodes is exactly Timedancer's problem, although that's more a difficulty of the later seasons than S1-2 admittedly.

Annie: Good luck!

Lynati: Well, last I saw DA had a short season well underway: a premiere plotted (outline pending), one story pitched with no outline, and a six/seven episode run based on stories already outlined and partially drafted. Given the level of staff involvement, the idea at that stage was to have a short season that was a vehicle to get people interested in the series again for a recruitment drive (although with the potential to easily expand the season by adapting one of the many outlines -- not all of which would require much amendment). While I was there, I always thought that if all manpower to the series was equal, DA could be released soonest of all the current series. Congratulations on Timedancer, though.
Ed
Monday, April 12, 2004 06:56:33 AM
IP: 213.187.38.252

Damn just missed. 11 then.
Dezi
Monday, April 12, 2004 04:02:47 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

10th! I just made it.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, April 12, 2004 02:50:58 AM
IP: 216.234.101.152

9th in the name of....something!
Andrea
Monday, April 12, 2004 02:44:53 AM
IP: 130.111.154.94

8 -- not too late this time
silvadel
Monday, April 12, 2004 01:13:48 AM
IP: 24.225.220.194

seventh in the name of the holy beaver!
'cause thats when i got here
Damien
Monday, April 12, 2004 01:11:05 AM
IP: 209.121.87.149

"A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to."
Thus, I enter 6th because that's exactly the number I wanted.

Peace
Z
Monday, April 12, 2004 12:39:57 AM
IP: 67.67.114.123

5th, WITH pants!
Fire Storm and Lady Mystic
Monday, April 12, 2004 12:28:41 AM
IP: 65.114.91.3

4th without pants.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, April 12, 2004 12:21:08 AM
IP: 69.141.213.204

third time's a charm.
Lynati
Monday, April 12, 2004 12:20:39 AM
IP: 64.218.107.208

#2
lain
Monday, April 12, 2004 12:19:49 AM
IP: 4.7.35.8

#1 in both crs
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, April 12, 2004 12:19:20 AM
IP: 67.14.195.44