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Quick post before work...
Gside><<Nope, and my searches for it are being blocked by E.A. Poe and Michael Poe (when I specify comics).>>

http://damaged.anime.net/comics/

Really crazy good artist, with possibly some serious issues. Anyway, try Ride and then maybe Trepenation. Both good. Harsh, but good.

"ALL OR NOTHING THIS IS LOVE"
V
Monday, July 12, 2004 10:06:50 AM
IP: 4.7.36.9

Dezi, you were high on sugar were you not? ;) hehe

“Canada? Evil? hehe hehe hehe hehe hehe.........”
Sadly we have no good or evil hhaha….man Canada’s lame. We do have pyros!!! Light ‘em up baby! *humphs*

Gside
Hellcat> <<what's the deal with Great Big Sea?>>: I like it.

*gasps*

Lynati
“Good Band. Nice arrangements. There are some lyrics from one of their songs in 7th TGS "gargoyles" fic of season 1. and I have two pieces of unfinished artwork inspired by them. *innocent look*”
Oh my…god…*breathes in paper bag* You’re kidding…

What is wrong with you people!? AAHH!!! *ahems* Great Big Sea is irritating. Drive me nuts…and what really drives me crazy is that no one hates them. It’s like saying everyone loves Britney Spears. Ever seen them? They flop around like dead fishes trying to make it to the ocean. One I swear has mascara all over his face…the other needs Ritalin BADLY…they all sing bad…fiddling’s kinda odd…hence they should be called Great Big Ass. Besides they are from the eastern Newfoundland…*grumbles*

They corrupted you guys…oh god oh I must find a cure!! *runs off trying to find better music* ;)
Hellcat
Monday, July 12, 2004 08:19:29 AM
IP: 205.251.135.66

Um... I was just looking on the Guide channel (I have DirectTV) and it says that tomorrow (well, tonight, I guess... I'll just say "Monday") they're showing Temptation followed by DEADLY FORCE on Toon Disney. I thought those guys didn't show Deadly Force! If the actually do show it, that'll be cool - I haven't seen this one yet. Just thought I'd give a heads up for those who haven't seen it or haven't seen it in a while.

Rock on.
Tharos
Monday, July 12, 2004 02:55:58 AM
IP: 69.40.141.146

Hellcat & Gunjack: But I wasn't on drugs or drunk.....

Lynati: Canada? Evil? hehe hehe hehe hehe hehe.........
Dezi
Monday, July 12, 2004 01:34:58 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Fire Storm> <<A tennis ball hits the tire>>: it doesn't just hit a tire, they're squeezed bewteen two wheels. And squeesing metal pellets is just asking for jams.
<<Lighter disk means it will slow down more which means that POSSIBLY it will use more power>>: But it's still multiplied by mass, so it still takes the same energy to speed it back up, but a loss of the same amount of energy slows down the light wheel more.
<<tennis ball shooters don't really jam>>: But tennis balls have a lot more give than steel.
<<Which makes me glad I am going into a mostly tech school>>: I like you.
<<Are you frequenting anime conventions while washed?>>: I'm waiting until I have an income.
<<But... it would be kewl to look at>>: So I say. And it'd be even better if we label it Abbey Normal.
<<Unless, of course, the pics are for porn. Then they are gods among men>>: That makes it more like they're getting paid to have sex, not to be photographed.
<<And my first mental image following reading that involved porn>>: And all is right with the world.
<<Especially when the processor is smaller... and you are running Win2K and Photoshop>>: Why would you want photoshop on a laptop?
<<or missed a decimal point or 2>>: Or four.
<<From what I hear, rail guns and coil guns technically don't count as guns>>: How long from the first practical one until we get a redefinition?

Gunjack> <<and centrifical force automaticly spins them to the outer edge>>: If you just dump them on a flat spinning plate, there's nothing really to stop them from just spinning in place. So you either need to trap it between the wall and the wheel (giving it about half the speed of the wheel), or make the wheek compartmentalized, and both of those I can see being jammable.
<<Nope. "Kerosene" by Bad Religion>>: Shame.
<<Unless it's an actual warzone, they'll risk it>>: I think you think too highly of the people.
<<The way I see it, it's not really the Government's business judging our motivations, is it?>>: Maybe not, but don't we want our officials elected under largely rational decisions?
<<while doing little to affect digital fraud that might be built right into the program>>: There's no way the program should be complex enough that such fraud wouldn't be blatantly obvious.
<<You think they'd let you check?>>: Are't you allowed to check current systems for tampering if the result is caused into question?
<<I'd go for this, especially if the source code was available for critique>>: The entire machine should be secure enough that worries about the security of the code shouldn't be necessary.
<<Found the (scary) VCL galleries, but do they do comics too?>>: Reed Waller did the rather famous Omaha the Cat Dancer on dead wood, but I think the others are just artists.
<<And what the heck IS VCL?>>: It's the Vixen Controled Library. Also, a giant storage place of furry artwork (and porn).
<<Other than really disturbing?>>: It's just once you get over the furry thing, a lot of weird kinks aren't far away.
<<Try RIDE by Poe. Seen that>>: Nope, and my searches for it are being blocked by E.A. Poe and Michael Poe (when I specify comics).
<<That's not helping>>: Wait for her to be gone a bit longer, then we'll see how desperate you get for your porn.
<<Hey, if you could actually make yourself completely callous to violence, would you?>>: Probably not.
<<is that WWII or I?>>: I, so we're talking the Kaiser here.
<<That would require spare money in the budget>>: Well, they'd probably not have to pay as much for hazard pay and tool replacement and repair.
<<the 120,000 rounds/minute would be for the finished version, not the prototype>>: Then trduce it by a factor of 24 for the lowest value, and it's still 100,000Watts.
<<Assuming it shoots a small burst, wouldn't the inertia of all the other rounds in the rotor tend to compensate for that?>>: They can't weigh that much compared to the wheel.

Hellcat> <<what's the deal with Great Big Sea?>>: I like it.

Gunjack> <<this thing would be running off a vehicle engine, not a battery>>: But wouldn't you want to be able to remove it for whatever emergency might come up?

Fire Storm> <<the drawing of the furry reaper>>: So Jack vs. Pratchett's Death, who gets your vote?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:09:57 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

Gunjack: <Does it work? Wouldja consider selling?>
Assuming it works, sure. I kinda misplaced the power cable for it, so I really haven't tested it in a while. LM informed me that it's under the couch.

Oh, but the Masses are all that do not follow the drawing of the furry reaper!
<Assuming it shoots a small burst, wouldn't the inertia of all the other rounds in the rotor tend to compensate for that?>
Na, they would compound the problem. Each bullet would slow down the disk, and 10 in a milisecond would cause a very noticeable slowdown
<*Eyes go dreamy* ...from shrapnel, or just a real, honest-to-goodness explosion?>
Well, the "shrapnel" from this was several large fragments from this 20-30 foot diameter flywheel, so the answer is... yes! The way it failed basically made it explode.
<Oh yeah. You KNOW you want one>
Might need to try that method once I get my workshop up.
Fire Storm
Sunday, July 11, 2004 07:25:24 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Hellcat: [Now I ask, what's the deal with Great Big Sea?]
Good Band. Nice arrangements. There are some lyrics from one of their songs in 7th TGS "gargoyles" fic of season 1. and I have two pieces of unfinished artwork inspired by them. *innocent look*
Lynati
Sunday, July 11, 2004 02:20:02 PM
IP: 65.64.102.3

Patrick><<From a practical standpoint, though, a personal "firearm" that requires electrical power is never going to be the soldier's first choice in combat.>> First off, it ain't a personal weapon. It's a crew-served or vehicle-mount weapon meant to by operated off a tripod or pintle mount. Second off, quite a few weapons (miniguns, most "gatling"-style rotary cannon, the Bradley's Bushmaster 25mm cannon) use electrical actuation powered by the vehicle's engine. The term "Chaingun" actually refers to the electric-motor-driven chain that cycles a cannon's action. These designs are extremely reliable because they DON'T rely on the mechanics of firing to operate; they are cleaner, more reliable, and nearly immune to jams or misfires.
<<The nice thing about a gunpowder weapon is that all the energy required to operate is self-contained in the bullet.>> The downsides are limited rates of fire, low energy efficiency, questionable reliability (ESPECIALLY with automatic weapons), and complex, maintainence-intensive mechanisms. They suffer from heat-buildup, cookoffs, powder fouling, copper buildup, barrel errosion, you name it. A conventional can jam in about thirty or forty different ways, ranging from a broken firing pin to a clogged gas system to a burst casehead.
Don't get me wrong, chemical slugthrowers are great, and often every bit as reliable as you say... but they have plenty of limitations too.
<<Which means you're never going to be crouched in a foxhole under enemy fire wondering how much longer the charge in your batteries is going to last.>> ...Batteries are, essentially, just another type of ammunition, but again, this thing would be running off a vehicle engine, not a battery.
<<It's also a fallacy to claim any device with moving parts is "jam-proof.">> Again, I believe there's an unspoken "relatively" there... Like I mentioned earlier, conventional weapons are extremely complex, and have a whole raft of different ways to render themselves inoperable. Every operation, from feeding to firing to extracting, involves a great deal of complexity and quite a few ways for things to go wrong. A centrifuge gun, on the other hand, consists of an electric motor, a rotor, steel spheres for ammunition, and a release mechanism. The only parts really subject to failure are the motor, release mech, or the rotor. It's an extremely simple setup, and in weapons, simple almost always equals more reliable. All of it is based on technology that the military already uses in the cold, wet, muddy real world right now, so it'd hard to imagine a sudden killer problem popping up as soon as one of these hits the ground...
<<More likely, if were going to see electrically powered weapons being developed for the military, they are going to be laser-based, which eliminates moving parts entirely and leaves you only with the concerns about the life of the power source.>> The problem with that is power requirements. A centrifuge gun could probably power itself indefinately off an idling HUMVEE engine. A laser requires either a fair-sized nuclear reactor, or a whole pile of batteries and some VERY nasty chemicals. One of these centrifuge guns would probably cost $3,000-$5,000, if that much, could probably be fielded as a general-issue mounted weapon in less than a year, and the ammo is dirt cheap. A tactical laser costs tens to hundreds of millions, won't be ready for a decade or two, is NOT based on proven technology, and doesn't really do anything that this thing can't, from an anti-personelle/ point-defense perspective.
I could see these replacing the Navy's (electrically driven) Phalanx point-defense systems, and the (electyrically-powered) miniguns on helis at least for starters... assuming it works, that is.
We'll see.
Gunjack "Ultra Right Wing" Valentine
Sunday, July 11, 2004 01:15:19 PM
IP: 4.7.36.9

GreenBaron *kiss* Don't worry about my parents. I'll make 'em go! I'm working on it. They gotta take risks, healthy risks for once. So do I. I never been to US before and I'm really curious. Seen enough of Canada already heehee.

Silvadel, your cats are very charming. Reminds me of my own cat at times. :)

Dezi, you're really hilarious when drunk. I look at tulips differently now ;)

This gun talk is makign me laugh. My close friend's dad bought me and my family bottled moose. I love moose while my friend doesn't. She joked that I should have a machine gun so i can get all the moose i want. hahaha. Oh the plentiful yummy moose...*drool*

Wouldn't mind a machine gun for that purpose!

Now I ask, what's the deal with Great Big Sea? (I skimmed through the posts and too lazy to read them)

Oh and I posted in pink to confirm my insanity on Sundays! Whoo! :D
Hellcat (or Kazz)
Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:30:03 PM
IP: 205.251.135.66

People will always keep trying to reinvent the wheel. I remember a friend of mine in high school started experimenting with discard stuff from physics lab and thought he'd found the next best thing after constructing a device that could electromagnetically hurl an iron ring about 150 feet.

From a practical standpoint, though, a personal "firearm" that requires electrical power is never going to be the soldier's first choice in combat. The nice thing about a gunpowder weapon is that all the energy required to operate is self-contained in the bullet. The gun itself is a purely mechanical apparatus, and if you maintain it properly it's never going to fail you so long as you have some ammo. Which means you're never going to be crouched in a foxhole under enemy fire wondering how much longer the charge in your batteries is going to last.

It's also a fallacy to claim any device with moving parts is "jam-proof." In the real world, there is always a chance for mishap. What works great in the clean, controled conditions of the lab may not be worth the materials it's made from out in the field when it gets wet, cold, or dirty. So I wouldn't lay too much hope on something that's essentially a minaturized tennis ball launcher ever becoming an effective combat weapon. More likely, if were going to see electrically powered weapons being developed for the military, they are going to be laser-based, which eliminates moving parts entirely and leaves you only with the concerns about the life of the power source.

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Patrick
Sunday, July 11, 2004 09:02:06 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Gside><<Sounds too good to be true. Especially the never jamming and self cleaning.>> I think I figured out how it feeds ammo. They just pour ball bearings into a hole in the top of the rotor, and centrifical force automaticly spins them to the outer edge. I can't think of a way for that part to jam... and all firing involves is releasing the projectile. The only way you could jam that part, would be for a bearing to get snagged between the rotor and the outer housing on release, but make the opening big enough and that's pretty unlikely.
<<Sung to the tune of Mr. Cellophane?>> Nope. "Kerosene" by Bad Religion; really good athiest punk band that sounds like a Christian Great Big Sea. I highly recommend "American Jesus" and "Sorrow".
<< Too many people being afraid of going out to vote?>> Keep the polls open longer, or just remind the people that if they don't vote, it's their loss. Unless it's an actual warzone, they'll risk it. <<A knee jerk reaction is a bad thing?>> The way I see it, it's not really the Government's business judging our motivations, is it?
<<Why put the locked, guarded in there? There shouldn't be any removal of locks or guards for an electronic system.>> The gaurds and locks compound the problem presented by having to actually move large, bulky physical objects, while doing little to affect digital fraud that might be built right into the program.
<<There's still ways to check for the last few values.>> You think they'd let you check?
<<Yeah, right. I'd trust a physically locked down computer (no I/O ports, solid metal fully locked case, an incredibly stupid OS that can only recieve or display votes) more than an encrypted one.>> I'd go for this, especially if the source code was available for critique...
<<You've forgotten already? Your memory must be as bad as Fire Storm's... Can I borrow ten bucks?... Can I borrow ten bucks?>> I'm broke. I'm Broke.
Let's rob someone.
<<Nope, nine chapters is right.>> Dangit. I really like that one, and I want more faster than two a week... <<But they're still more similar than with Doug Winger, Karabiner, Reed Waller, or quite a few others.>> Found the (scary) VCL galleries, but do they do comics too? And what the heck IS VCL? Other than really disturbing?
<<Sure the psychiatrist visits don't count?>> The Psych is basicly "okay, I'm gonna think deep now. Feel free to watch." You want angst, Try RIDE by Poe. Seen that?
<<And here I thought you'd be upset with the conservative message that pops up now and again.>> Oh, for the innocent days of youth... Makes me nostalgic, y'see. <<Thinking that the fur is nice and silky and soft?>> That's not helping.
<<Let me refine that, maybe I'm just inured to the sex, not the violence.>> heh. Hey, if you could actually make yourself completely callous to violence, would you?
<<Technically, you still have the Privaleges, even if they're not currently applicable.>> True.
<> Good, cause the more recent ones are rendered problematic by evidence of prior knowledge (including, depressingly enough, Pearl Harbor). <<Germany tried to make a deal with Mexico to split US territory if they'd keep us occupied while they dealt with the rest of europe.>> Other than being next on Hitler's plate, they maybe should have. We probably would have in their place. We did essentially the same thing with Stalin... Uh, is that WWII or I?
<<We did have quite a few problems with the Werewolves, for about three years, I believe.>> You know, I'd completely forgotten about them.
*Thinks*
Maybe this is the difference. After WWII, when the rest of the world took a peak inside those death camps and gas chambers, the german people lost a good chunk of their will to resist. You still had die-hards willing to fight to the bitter end, but the majority of the people just wanted to put it behind them and forget about the whole thing as quick as possible.
In Iraq, that hasn't happened. They've been kicked around by a tyrant for thirty years, shot, gassed, tortured, and massacred. And now, "the student is gone and the master has come", they've gotten a taste for real blood, and they have absolutely nothing to lose. And then we antagonize them, shoot up their homes, bomb their weddings, and they've just had it.
<<But with any luck, over they past year, the decline in crime has been noticed, and has been adjusted for in the budget.>> That would require spare money in the budget, or law enforcement as a real priority. Neither is likely. <<Quite a few stops are just a nearly random spot on the tracks.>> True... I dunno, man. It would take some work, but it might be worth it. The present system really sucks.
<<So either I did my math wrong, or he's breaking the laws of physics.>> Um, if I'm not mistaken, the 120,000 rounds/minute would be for the finished version, not the prototype. <<You need an explosive chemical propellant for it to count?>> That'd probably be oversimplifying things, but yeah, pretty much. Basicly, it'd be legal because no one ever thought to regulate it. Kinda like how railguns and mass-drivers are legal.

FS><<Hmm... let's see... battery is very dead... p120, 256MB ram, 5gb HD... Somewhere...>> Does it work? Wouldja consider selling?
<<Glorious! My master will be pleased! We have another from the Masses!>> I am hurt that you would consider me one of the masses in the first place.
<< Every time it flings a bullet, the disk will slow down and would need to be brought back up to speed.>> Assuming it shoots a small burst, wouldn't the inertia of all the other rounds in the rotor tend to compensate for that? <<Hmm... I'll take your word for it. (mass, etc).>> The video showed the projectiles WAY larger than they'd actually be. A normal .30 conical rifle bullet is around 150 grains and composed of lead and copper. A steel spherical would be MUCH lighter.
<> *Eyes go dreamy* ...from shrapnel, or just a real, honest-to-goodness explosion?
<<$h17... this is true...>> Oh yeah. You KNOW you want one.

Bud-Clare><<Yes, you're missing a warped sense of humor. Your loss. :P>> And you're not going to explain it to me? That's harsh.
Was it the Salty?

Out this piece.

PEACE!
Gunjack "Oh, and Dick Cheney Too..." Valentine
Sunday, July 11, 2004 02:22:46 AM
IP: 4.7.36.9

<Not sure how a tennis-ball shooter works>
Think of a rotating tire in a drum. A tennis ball hits the tire and the rotation of the tire
<Light rotor means less power, yes?>
Not really. In this case, it may even mean MORE power. Every time it flings a bullet, the disk will slow down and would need to be brought back up to speed. Lighter disk means it will slow down more which means that POSSIBLY it will use more power. (realistically, not theoretically)
<Okay, byut the projectiles he's shooting are steel balls>
Hmm... I'll take your word for it. (mass, etc). Yeah... then they could go faster...
<Yeah, that'd be my guess too. Assuming it isn't a fraud (and the vid of the operational model leads me to think it ain't), this'll definately replace the minigun.>
Well, I can't absolutely say that the video of the operational model wasn't faked. I mean, it shows the gun and then a bunch of holes in the wall. But the theory, the more I think about it, is valid. Hell, looking at the message board, it was even tried in a world war or 2
<You think you could modify this design to fire a non-spherical projectile?>
Personally? Possibly. But the main ways I can think of involve clips and increase the possibility of jamming.
<A solid hit to that rotor, and the gunner is going to have a very interesting day.>
Oh yes. Fatality comes to mind. Keep in mind, though, that you are talking about a disk with a lot less mass. I remember reading a VERY old article about a massive flywheel that broke at about 5K rpm... took out a city block or so.
<You could probably fix this through armor cladding (and they might have already), but sommat to keep in mind>
Well... you CAN design a rotor (if it is fibrous instead of solid metallic) that spirals apart instead of explodes. But yeah... shielding is VERY important.
<Anyway, the OTHER upside is that, if I'm not mistaken, THIS THING DOESN'T COUNT AS A GUN UNDER FEDERAL LAW!!!!>
$h17... this is true...

Gside: <Especially the never jamming and self cleaning.>
Well... tennis ball shooters don't really jam...

Which makes me glad I am going into a mostly tech school
<They'd better.>
Are you frequenting anime conventions while washed?
<We're hoping to be able to get my mother's thyroids back, but my father doubts the effectiveness of an abnormal specimen for his students.>
But... it would be kewl to look at!
<Ah, hadn't noticed that. But since you originally seemed to imply being photographed, the other hadn't really occurred to me.>
Ah. I see... yeah, that is a pretty stupid job, isn't it.
Unless, of course, the pics are for porn. Then they are gods among men
<Or maybe some nuns with long rulers.>
And my first mental image following reading that involved porn.
<Probably for the best.>
Especially when the processor is smaller... and you are running Win2K and Photoshop
<So either I did my math wrong, or he's breaking the laws of physics.>
No, no... your math looks sound. He just isn't reporting it correctly... or missed a decimal point or 2.
<You need an explosive chemical propellant for it to count?>
From what I hear, rail guns and coil guns technically don't count as guns.
Fire Storm
Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:54:05 AM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Gunjack> <>: Sounds too good to be true. Especially the never jamming and self cleaning.

Fire Storm> <<What's the point of that?>>: I don't know, but people in liberal arts colleges think it's a good thing. But then, they also house polisci, women's studies, and whatnot.
<<Oh, but they will>>: They'd better.
<>: We're hoping to be able to get my mother's thyroids back, but my father doubts the effectiveness of an abnormal specimen for his students.
<<the two ways to read it were taking the picture or having your picture taken>>: Ah, hadn't noticed that. But since you originally seemed to imply being photographed, the other hadn't really occurred to me.
<<Yeah... they need a visit from Mrs. Manners>>: Or maybe some nuns with long rulers.
<<RAM is the one thing I always go overkill on when making or upgrading a system>>: Probably for the best.

Gunjack> <<probably weighing less than 50 grains>>: Let's see, a 50 grain bullet at 3000 ft/s (the maximum current speed mentioned) needs 20.66ftlbs of energy per grain (there's a nice table as the first search result for "bullet energy"). That converts to 28J per grain, or 1400J for the entire bullet. Since they want to fire 120,000rpm, you need to give that much energy to 2000 bullets each second. Therefore, you need 1400J/bullet*2000bullets/s=2,800,000W, not counting the energy needed to spin up the rotor. 2.8 megaWatts is a bit larger than 150 Watts. So either I did my math wrong, or he's breaking the laws of physics.
<<THIS THING DOESN'T COUNT AS A GUN UNDER FEDERAL LAW>>: You need an explosive chemical propellant for it to count? And do you really care much about federal law any more, you'd better check what Canada thinks.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:34:53 AM
IP: 69.141.212.54

Gunjack> <<...I'm missing something here, aren't I?>>
Yes, you're missing a warped sense of humor. Your loss. :P
Bud-Clare
Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:52:49 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

hey yall

i know its kinda late in the week i havent had much time to get online lately.

LM>> i got your email and i have replied to it. i need to change a few things before it gets posted. so i need to work on that k.

i dont guess anyone read my last post in here did they? i guess its one that ill have to come up with on my own i suppose.

well later yall.
Brutis - [creature_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, Louisiana, Usa
Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:16:45 PM
IP: 65.0.101.4

Two more things...

First, I think his point was that it has no APPRECIABLE recoil, relative to a light machine gun. In the same way, it probably makes a fair bit of noise when the projectile stream breaks the sound barrier, but that noise is negligable compared to the noise of a conventional automatic weapon.

On the other hand, there's the downside to this...
http://www.ehs.cornell.edu/lrs/Centrifuge/CentrifugeDamages.htm
...A solid hit to that rotor, and the gunner is going to have a very interesting day. You could probably fix this through armor cladding (and they might have already), but sommat to keep in mind...
Anyway, the OTHER upside is that, if I'm not mistaken, THIS THING DOESN'T COUNT AS A GUN UNDER FEDERAL LAW!!!!

Oh, the possibilities...
V
Saturday, July 10, 2004 08:01:43 PM
IP: 4.7.36.9

FS><<I dunno... I doubt it's facts. I mean, hell, it seems to be a tennis-ball shooter, or at the most complicated, a spinning wheel that magnetically holds onto the balls and releases them at the right point.>> Not sure how a tennis-ball shooter works but shrom watching it, I'd guess it traps the projectiles in a channel near the outer edge of the ring, and then uses a gate to release them in a specific direction. Magnets would seem to me to be self-defeating.
<<Either way, it seems WAY too good to be true. It only uses 150w of power? Hell, I've seen FANS use more than that!>> I know nothing of power requirements, but the rotor must be VERY light if the whole package comes in at 18 pounds... Light rotor means less power, yes?
<<I just checked for tennis ball shooters and they use 100w to shoot a single tennis ball 150f MAX! Shooting a heavier (even if it's only slightly) metal ball farther (and faster) than that would take a LOT more power.>> Okay, byut the projectiles he's shooting are steel balls measuring 0.30 inches in diameter, and probably weighing less than 50 grains (1 grain = less than 1/5000 of a pound); a fraction of the weight of a tennis ball, and with miniscule surface area. <> Yeah, that'd be my guess too. Assuming it isn't a fraud (and the vid of the operational model leads me to think it ain't), this'll definately replace the minigun.
<<And I have serious doubts about it's effects on real armor.>> That's the one weakness; real armor penetration requires either a shaped-charge warhead or long, thin penetrator, and neither one could be done with this. If you upped the caliber to 20-40mm, you might be able to come up with a soft-explosive HESH munition like the british use, but that's about it.

You think you could modify this design to fire a non-spherical projectile?

Anyway, it does a VERY nice job of replacing the machine gun...
V
Saturday, July 10, 2004 07:26:51 PM
IP: 4.7.36.9

Gunjack: I dunno... I doubt it's facts. I mean, hell, it seems to be a tennis-ball shooter, or at the most complicated, a spinning wheel that magnetically holds onto the balls and releases them at the right point.
Either way, it seems WAY too good to be true. It only uses 150w of power? Hell, I've seen FANS use more than that!
I just checked for tennis ball shooters and they use 100w to shoot a single tennis ball 150f MAX! Shooting a heavier (even if it's only slightly) metal ball farther (and faster) than that would take a LOT more power. Dimpling the ball would give it more range, yes, but...
I dunno. I mean, the anti-personnel capabilities, defense against light armor, not to mention anti-missile capabilities seem probable with this system, but given the facts on the site...
I guess I am hesitant to believe this. It seems almost too good to be true. And I have serious doubts about it's effects on real armor.
(I like what people have been saying in the discussion below. They admit that it isn't COMPETELY zero-recoil, just low recoil)

Gside: <Co you can be... "a well rounded individual".>
What's the point of that? Hell... part of me is still considering making weapons to kill JUST for the cool factor
<They haven't yet.>
Oh, but they will...
They will.
<But as least she still has her original nose.>
...
More or less.
I still have mine... in a jar... somewhere
<I'd rather that it was read that it's somewhat disappointing that such a thing can be a career>
Oh, I know, but the two ways to read it were taking the picture or having your picture taken
<There's your problem.>
Yeah... they need a visit from Mrs. Manners
<256 on a 120? I have 256 on my 900.>
RAM is the one thing I always go overkill on when making or upgrading a system. Within a week of buying my laptop I bought an additional 128mb for it, and a few years ago (a month or so before I quit using it, actually) I bought either a 64mb or a 128mb for it (can't remember which) because it was only $10-$20.
I have yet to upgrade my new laptop above 512mb only because 1gb of RAM for it is still $200+ (it's got 2x256mb, and I can't justify $100 for a 256mb more than what I have)

DPH: <I've liked the idea of using an airship as a mobile aircraft carrier>
The only type of air-based carrier I can imagine being truly useful is one that can transport HUGE amounts of troops (10K+ ) or a good 100+ aircraft at mach 2+ speeds, or one that can go near-orbital to reach the other side of the planet in a matter of hours.
Fire Storm
Saturday, July 10, 2004 05:44:34 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Conjoined hatchlings? Only if the embryo split shortly after fertilization and two identical individuals grew inside the same eggshell.

I had an exterminator / entomologist come out the other night to remove a hornets' nest behind the house. He used no chemicals... just a ladder, a beekeeper's mask, and a hose connected to canister of compressed C02. I had to stand by the truck and "turn the valve on the count of three." The C02 knocked the adult hornets out. They go on dry ice immediately, and the nest goes back to the lab to be inccubated until the rest hatch out. The bugs are then sold off to a medical firm for venom extraction to make antivenom for folks who are allergic to the stings. All in all, it was a pretty cool thing to watch... and for his time, he only charged one fourth of what the next cheapest exterminator wanted to come out and douse my backyard with poison.

You've gotta be brave person or slightly nuts, though, to take on a career of live removal of bees, wasps, and hornets. You'll never catch me putting MY face within less than a foot of a basketball-sized nest of stinging insects.

Le Count von Count proclaime: Il ya vingt-sept jours au le Gathering en Montreal!

Pour les anglophones dans l'audience:

11 days left to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville (deadline is July 20 at noon).
11 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 20).
27 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Saturday, July 10, 2004 08:24:20 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

froggleggs: Hope you received my email. (Please let me know if you would like me to resend it.) I look forward to your response and am eager for a discussion that may promote understanding and help rebuild family ties.
Lady Mystic
Happily married in Dearborn, MI
Saturday, July 10, 2004 05:05:49 AM
IP: 68.73.202.220

***** TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE *****

Small update...

CR ARCHIVE:

The 2004 archive has been updated to include the weeks of May 24th, 2004 through July 6th, 2004, for a total of six newly added files. These weeks can be viewed at either of the following links.

2004 Archive:
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2004/

Framed Archive:
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/frames.html

CR MEMBERS:

I have emailed profile drafts to Brutis and Dezi, and am currently awaiting their replies.

***** END UPDATE *****
Lady Mystic
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Saturday, July 10, 2004 04:40:49 AM
IP: 68.73.202.220

Gside, FS, I think you guys should maybe take a good, long look at this...

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=526

*goes to find a quiet place to sit alone, pondering the possabilities*
Gunjack "Combat Speedo" Valentine
Saturday, July 10, 2004 04:05:43 AM
IP: 4.7.36.9

Could this ever happen to a gargoyle hatchling. (click on the link to find out)
Thomas - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, July 10, 2004 03:21:23 AM
IP: 216.234.123.51

DPH> <<I've liked the idea of using an airship as a mobile aircraft carrier>>: That'd take a heck of a lot of fuel to stay airborn.
<<Don't have to worry about enemy subs sinking the aircraft carrier under that plan>>: So they'll just reequip them with surface to air missles. Anything that big won't be able to dodge.
<<WWI was started over people who wanted the right to govern themselves>>: WWI was about a web of treaties tha got everyone else involved in a retaliatory act by Austria against the home country (Serbia) of an assassin.
<<We should be going out there, breaking up dictatorships and trying to establish stable democracies around the entire world>>: We can't just go all out on it, that'd just stir up one massive cloud of resentment. And dictatorship isn't a good enough description of who we'd want to get rid of, torturers, militant financiers, and territory hungry madmen, maybe.
<<Explain to me that the logic of the Iraqis who blow up their own oil fields when the US is working to give the Iraqis control of their own country>>: They don't see it like that. We are still currently the foreign controling agressor to quite a few of them, but hopefully that'll change soon enough.
<<This database would be incredibly encrypted to keep anybody from tampering with it>>: Yeah, right. I'd trust a physically locked down computer (no I/O ports, solid metal fully locked case, an incredibly stupid OS that can only recieve or display votes) more than an encrypted one.

Fire Storm> <<All I know is that I REALLY don't care for humanity, so why should I learn about it?>>: Co you can be... "a well rounded individual".
<<you don't find them. THEY find YOU!>>: They haven't yet.
<<and the fact that the tail does WONDERS for her>>: But as least she still has her original nose.
<<You know... there are two ways to read this>>: I'd rather that it was read that it's somewhat disappointing that such a thing can be a career.
<<My company simply doesn't care if they are impolite>>: There's your problem.
<<p120, 256MB ram>>: 256 on a 120? I have 256 on my 900.

Gunjack> <<Kerosene/Keeps me warm>>: Sung to the tune of Mr. Cellophane?
<<Why does an attack of any kind justify canceling democracy?>>: Too many people being afraid of going out to vote? A knee jerk reaction is a bad thing?
<<locked, gaurded warehouses>>: Why put the locked, guarded in there? There shouldn't be any removal of locks or guards for an electronic system.
<<Magnetic charges on a spinning disc can be altered or erased on a whim>>: There's still ways to check for the last few values.
<<This is the third time you've told me, and the third time I've forgotten>>: You've forgotten already? Your memory must be as bad as Fire Storm's... Can I borrow ten bucks?... Can I borrow ten bucks?
<<It's working much better now, thanks>>: As long as it's now no worse than the general windows malaise, you should be pretty good.
<<Unless there's more, which would be sweet>>: Nope, nine chapters is right.
<<the art ain't that similar. Much nicer, in fact>>: Hopkins does more shading, Naylor has stronger inks. But they're still more similar than with Doug Winger, Karabiner, Reed Waller, or quite a few others.
<<angst? Tragedy maybe (and baseball bats), but angst?>>: Sure the psychiatrist visits don't count?
<<This one elicites a solitary giggle>>: And here I thought you'd be upset with the conservative message that pops up now and again.
<<How the heck am I supposed to react to THAT?>>: Thinking that the fur is nice and silky and soft?
<<digs up his DU babies folder>>: Let me refine that, maybe I'm just inured to the sex, not the violence.
<<Not lately, dangit>>: Technically, you still have the Privaleges, even if they're not currently applicable.
<<...Pearl Harbor, 9/11>>: I wanted to use older, more obscure examples.
<<Not sure about the zimmerman telegraph>>: Germany tried to make a deal with Mexico to split US territory if they'd keep us occupied while they dealt with the rest of europe.
<<haven't the historians pretty well agreed that the Lusitania was a legitimate target?>>: Maybe, I studied the telegram more.
<<In Germany's case, I think we just let them run their own dang country>>: We did have quite a few problems with the Werewolves, for about three years, I believe.
<<chat with people on their patrol route>>: Which would probably be a good thing.
<<But because they're dependent on criminality to meet their budget>>: But with any luck, over they past year, the decline in crime has been noticed, and has been adjusted for in the budget.
<<Naw, just have turnstiles at the stops, and a cop or two to watch them>>: Quite a few stops are just a nearly random spot on the tracks.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, July 10, 2004 01:32:48 AM
IP: 69.141.212.54

Kerosene
Keeps me warm
I'm alone to watch it burn
Kerosene

Of all the combustable materials, I'd say Kerosene is in the top three for cool names. The other two, for the morbidly curious, would be Thermite and Phosphorous. Mmmm, gotta love that. Phooooospppphhhhoooooroooouuusssssssssssss... Draw out that sexy hiss at the end, like the sizzle of burning meat...
*AHEM*

Replies.

Bud Clare><<:P>>
...I'm missing something here, aren't I?

Dezi><<It is drunken tulips dancing, remember? :)>> No more drugs for THAT GIRL.
...I'm so confuuuused... *mourns*

DPH><<Let me phrase it this way. I think it is utterly stupid NOT to have contingency plans for worst case scenarios.>> Okay, yeah, I'll buy that. But here's the REAL question.
This country has been around for over two hundred years. Over the course of that time, we have had multiple wars. We have been invaded. Our capitol has been burned. We have suffered through a civil war. We've had race riots, floods, hurricanes, fires, earthquakes, massacres, the works. In short, we've been through a LOT. So if we should suffer a terror attack on the eve of an election, why EXACTLY would it be nescessary to POSTPONE THE ELECTIONS!? Why does an attack of any kind justify canceling democracy?

<<I've liked the idea of using an airship as a mobile aircraft carrier.>> Bad, BAD idea. The aircraft carrier is already a senile weapons system; one that requires more resources to survive than its' offensive capabilities justify. Even backed up by Aegis cruisers, the AC is a sitting duck against massed volleys of cruise missles. An airborne version would have a fraction of the combat load, be even easier to destroy, and be far more difficult to defend.
<<We should pick and choose our allies very carefully.>> We picked our allies a long, long time ago. As for the lesser of two evils, the flaw in your reasoning is that you assume that America is rightous. Abu Ghriab, Saddam, the United Fruit Company, Waco, COINTELPRO, Isreal, the Tobacco lobby, Ford, Nike, Henry Kissinger and Hugh Heffner should lay that one to rest easily enough.
<<Explain to me that the logic of the Iraqis who blow up their own oil fields when the US is working to give the Iraqis control of their own country.>> You mean in Gulf War I? If I'm not mistaken, quite a few of the wells that were blown were Kuwaiti wells that were slant-drilled into the Iraqi oil fields near the border. After repeated attempts to get the Kuwaitis to stop stealing his oil, Saddam Hussien informed the US of his intention to resolve the issue through force by invading Kuwait. He was informed by the US that his border dispute with Kuwait was none of the US' concern, whereupon he followed through. Within days, the US declared their former ally a mad butcher, sold lurid but completely ficticious atrocity stories to congress about the actions of Saddam's army in Kuwait... And the rest is history.
But I digress. The wells more most likely blown to keep the kuwaitis from using them to continue to tap Iraqs oil, or to slow down the allies (real live Scorched Earth).

<< I've worked in the elections and we use machines form 60s (or is it 70s?). Complete privacy and I assure you there are at least 3-4 checks on making sure fraud didn't occur.>> Under the scheme being floated, all the votes are stored and tabulated electronically, with no hard copy anywhere in the system. Say what you like about paper ballots, but if you want to change six million votes the old way, you have to steal six million ballots from locked, gaurded warehouses all over the country, and then replace them with six million faked ballots, all without being caught. That is a neat trick to pull. Under the Black Box system, you need maybe twenty lines of code and maybe as much as an hour of processing time, and there's NO EVIDENCE.
Paper is hard evidence. It's physical, it endures, you've got to really work to corrupt or destroy it, and even then there are ashes, shreds of paper, evidence of SOMETHING. Magnetic charges on a spinning disc can be altered or erased on a whim.

Gside><<You don't really need to uninstall, just stop them from running in the first place...>> This is the third time you've told me, and the third time I've forgotten. It's working much better now, thanks. 8 D
<<Ah, I thought it was more about immigration.>> That too: medical and background checks for everyone in my family, anfd then somewhere between four months and a year to get the paperwork processed.
<<And that's why I don't like proprietary, fully integrated systems. Too annoying to replace just one part.>> Amen. <<But not at the same rate, I can assume, so there'll still be an increased delay from whenever you made your first guess of when it was coming out relative to the main series. >> Yeah, it's laborous... But we be knocking off the miles.
<<You can wait, the archive's currently down.>> Nope, it's back up. Unless there's more, which would be sweet. <<And it's really only art style that's moderately similar, plot's totally different (but still enough angst and tragedy).>> Other than it being Furry, the art ain't that similar. Much nicer, in fact. And angst? Tragedy maybe (and baseball bats), but angst? Jack made me want to cry blood. This one elicites a solitary giggle.

There's another issue, though. Maybe it's just all the Furries I've been reading lately, but... Okay, you've got a person rigged for combat, packing a suppressed assault rifle. I can handle that; heck, I live on it.
So, it's a woman. No, make that an impossibly buxom one. I'm still cool. I live in America; exaggerated sexual characteristics are an institution right up there with apple pie and baseball and shooting brown people.
But no, this PARTICULAR buxom, heavily armed lady is a HUMANOID CAT. How the heck am I supposed to react to THAT? It's just... confusing. Like watching tweety bird curse and then saw someone's head off.
Moving on.
<<Not particularly. Maybe I've just become inured.>> Probably. Maybe I have some small scraps of innocence still to be filed off. Better get right on that. *digs up his DU babies folder*
<<If you're going to blow stuff up, why go low budget?>> The junkyard wars principle: limited resources breed creativity. <<You're only saying that because you have Privileges.>> Not lately, dangit. Beyond that, though, she's one of the only people I can really communicate freely with, and I miss that a lot.
<<And yet, even when we were trying to keep out of everybody's business, enough things happened to us to raise the populus's ire (Lusitania, Zimmerman telegram...).>> ...Pearl Harbor, 9/11. This is because, in my opinion, people are not very bright. Not sure about the zimmerman telegraph, but haven't the historians pretty well agreed that the Lusitania was a legitimate target?
<<I'd say we did all right with West Germany and Japan, just need to figure out what went right there.>> It would be nice. In Germany's case, I think we just let them run their own dang country. Japan is a bit messier, but in the end, it seems to me that the main ingredient is letting people decide their own fate. Deny them that, and they get hacked.
<<And people can't replace enough sheafs of paper out of a big box in the same hour or two?>> In short, no, you can't. Taken to the extreme, electronic voting could falsify every vote in the whole country the instant the polls closed. <<You want to be the one to fire the cops after they've done their job right?>> No, I just don't want to manufacture criminals when they run out of real ones. Let em sit back, eat donuts, chat with people on their patrol route. Take it easy. But because they're dependent on criminality to meet their budget, that apparently ain't an option.
<<They'll need to hire about four times the conductors per train, I believe.>> Naw, just have turnstiles at the stops, and a cop or two to watch them.

Green Baron><<This means jack shit, as I am getting out in six months, but hopefully that makes me more emplyable.>> *coughcoughSTOPLOSScough*
<> Hey, don't knock the anti-war people. More than you'd think are just like me.
...
Long-haired, unshorn, foul-smelling, pasty, out of shape... ; )
<<America's greatest sin has been to find solidarity with scum to fight bigger scum.>> Indeed. Pragmatism and "Straight Power Concepts" have bled us dry over the last fifty years... Anyway, I say you stand up for the innocents and condemn the guilty, no matter who they be. Anything other than that is selling yourself. <<Many of these factions can be divided against each other.>> Up to a very limited point. Then they roll 'round and grind you into hamburger. The way I see it, the media/government/corperate/agency/courts conglamerate is pretty near impregnable, and they ALWAYS back each other up when the crap hits the fan. Power supports power. <<Of course I won't to do more than lick them. I want to create a vacuum for myself to fill, or at least to take atatche cases full of cash from :)>> That's the spirit!
<<It's too bad there isn't a Galt's Gulch for all that's good in the world to flee to while the rest of the planet goes to Hell.>> Here is my cunning plan. I'm going to buy one of those huge decommissioned bunkers somewhere in the canadioan shield. I'm gonna stock it with provisions and excessive firepower. Then I'm gonna sit up there and wait for the sun to rise in the south, if you get my meaning.

I like to watch myself talk. : P

PEACE!
Gunjack "Funeral Pyre" Valentine
Friday, July 9, 2004 11:32:28 PM
IP: 4.7.36.9

Gside: <For certain subjects, it is beyond nice>
Like... Humanities! All I know is that I REALLY don't care for humanity, so why should I learn about it?
<Better than letting it go to their heads>
"Well, MY kid is better engineered than yours!"
<Where can I find those?>
Oh, you don't find them. THEY find YOU!
<I'm somewhat wary of any metal, I've seen a pipe get corroded paper thin (which we broke through while trying to unclog)>
Better than plastic, though. Easier to crack
<It must be a conspiracy.>
That's what I'm saying!
<It's the third arm she got to help her skiboxing record>
THAT, and the fact that the tail does WONDERS for her!
<Few people do, which is why they can make a career out of it.>
You know... there are two ways to read this.
And I choose to read it how I wish
<but impolite if people generally work through weekends already.>
Bugger. My company simply doesn't care if they are impolite.

Gunjack: <Mmmmm, solder. Sweat-joints rock.>
Oh yeah!
<Just got done reading all of Jack in one sitting.>
Glorious! My master will be pleased! We have another from the Masses!
<Damn. Just... Damn.>
Yeah... that's Jack!
<Bows* ...Couldn't put it down. It's like all my nightmares rolled into one>
Kewl, isn't it?
<Whoever that author guy is, I don't want in his head.>
From what I hear, he's a fairly normal man... makes me think that my mind is normal

Tharos: <especially the other day after I found out who Fnar's father was. Damn.>
I was pretty sure that it was him since his mother was introduced

Froggleggs: 
Hope you finally got the e-mail.

Jacob: <Anyone got an old clunky laptop collecting dust somewheres???>
Hmm... let's see... battery is very dead... p120, 256MB ram, 5gb HD...
somewhere...

Josh: I say that you name your new laptop after the Pacific atomic weapon test where they used 1 thermo-nuclear weapon against a fleet of ships

Revel: 
Really? Hmm... I know that federal law says that ANY worker who works 36+ hours a week is a full timer. And if they are not allowing you to get benefits and such, well then...
Maybe it's time to place an anonymous call to the government!
Fire Storm
Friday, July 9, 2004 11:27:22 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Jacob: Good to see you still live. I hope canada isn't being too evil.

Yggdrasil: Ditto to what Whit said about the panel and emailing, k? If I can be useful I'd like to know. ; )

ps- screencap site now updated to include at least one page for every 'real' gargoyle seen in the show, living or deceased...and more images to follow.
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
Friday, July 9, 2004 10:43:02 PM
IP: 65.64.125.186

Josh- You got rid of Boomer? That thing was not even that old I thought?
Revel
Friday, July 9, 2004 06:05:56 PM
IP: 68.116.218.166

My two latest books are now at the printers! Clickie or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html for a sneak peek of the gorgeous covers, with art by CrzyDemona and Spike!
Christine - [< -- book covers!]
Friday, July 9, 2004 01:46:21 PM
IP: 67.136.147.97

Krista > Angela's very close in size and physical appearance to Demona, and I've seen Demona's wingspan quoted as 14 feet.

12 days left to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville (deadline is July 20 at noon).
12 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 20).
28 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Friday, July 9, 2004 06:42:58 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Gunjack - <links to articles about contingency plans> Let me phrase it this way. I think it is utterly stupid NOT to have contingency plans for worst case scenarios. Having plans ready is ESSENTIAL to surival. Heck, if I'm not mistaken, for more than 2 decades, all the branches of the pentagon has had a pretty long list of the chain of command, making it virtually impossible to wipe out the army's leadership. In essence, I think it's good to have a pretty long list of the chain of command in case worst comes to worst. And even better, move several cabinet officials out of Washington DC into several different locations making it harder to wipe out a large percentage of the leadership positions of the executive branch. Every year, the news media make light of the fact of which cabinet official is NOT present during the State of the Union Address. [Of course, IMO, it should be about half a dozen or more of them absent and positioned in several locations as a matter of security to ensure a chain of command.] In fact, with today's technology, we could have the various senators and representatives parked out in numerous locations to ensure security during the State of the Union address and we could adopt a computer system where the Senators and Representatives don't have to be present in order to vote on bills.

Furthermore, I believe we should develop a system to allow for immediate withdrawl of the president - he's never more than 3 minutes from being in a jet.

I've liked the idea of using an airship as a mobile aircraft carrier. Don't have to worry about enemy subs sinking the aircraft carrier under that plan. And while we're at, increase our fleet of subs armed with nuclear weapons ready to launch. Make sure the enemy truely understands that the US is prepared to follow through with Mutually Assured Destruction. M.A.D. will keep any country from wanting to attack us.

Isolationism lead to the US entering WWI and WWII. Essentially, WWI was started over people who wanted the right to govern themselves. WWII was about combating evil. The Cold War gave birth to the internet.

We should pick and choose our allies very carefully. The problem is when the US chooses to pick between 2 evils. The lesser of 2 evils . . is still evil. We should be going out there, breaking up dictatorships and trying to establish stable democracies around the entire world.

Green Baron - <Too many Americans have their hands out asking what America can do for them and not what they can do for tehmselves.> That's the problem. People consistently want something for nothing. I heard on tv about a guy who ate only McDonalds for a month and lost weight.

*dph presses a button on a remote and 10d hologram appears with the following message: Missing: DPH's Motivation. Reward for finding it: To be discussed when it is found.*

The medication I am taking apparantly hasn't had a good effect on me yet.

Green Baron, I know you're going to love this one: the UN has decided to do something about spam.

Gunjack - Explain to me that the logic of the Iraqis who blow up their own oil fields when the US is working to give the Iraqis control of their own country.

BTW, does anybody know where the borders for Iraq really came from? The borders of Iraq are traced back to . . the aftermath of WWI.

Gunjack - <No way. There ain't anyone we can trust that much, and there ain't even any group we can trust to be DISTRUSTFUL enough to take American Democracy into the back room for an hour or two with all the lights off.
All they'd need to do would be to make the machine print hard-copy right there in front of the person voting. That would solve every single one of the problems, and everyone would be fine. But no, it's absolutely essential that there be NO hardcopy whatsoever, because that would be cheaper or more efficient. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I can't see why anyone should.> I've worked in the elections and we use machines form 60s (or is it 70s?). Complete privacy and I assure you there are at least 3-4 checks on making sure fraud didn't occur. Step 1 is triplicate of the results. Then there's two counters on each machine to keep track of the total number of people who voted. Then there's the awfull latches we put on to keep the machine from being tampered with. All in all, I don't trust paper ballots. Trusting computer software is tricky. I would want both Democrats and Republicans looking through the code and testing it to ensure the software is not set up to ensure candidate X will automatically win. Ultimately, what I would prefer is a couple of things: 4 networked laptops pc for voting. The voter comes in, verifies identification, signs a sheet of paper, sheet of paper is scanned by the computer, and then the person votes. The computer keeps a database of how the person voted. This database would be incredibly encrypted to keep anybody from tampering with it. When the voting time ends, the laptop pcs are taken back to the courthouse, where votes are counted (both parties have representatives watching over the counting process). Each laptop makes two separate printouts: 1)total summary of the results from voting and 2)a hard copy of how each person voted (or didn't). Candidates/parties have 3 months to challenge the results and after that, the hard copies of how each person voted goes through a paper shredder. The only problem is delivering the laptop pcs to the place to be counted. An easy answer to this is requiring 2-3 people to physically travel with the laptop pcs to ensure nobody tampers with them. Currently, in the system I work with, one (and only one) person working in each precint delivers the results to the courthouse. This leaves somethings to be desired, but then again, we have to read the results before we leave to all the election officials so if there is a problem with corruption, it has to involve 3 people.

More post when I feel like it, hopefully tomorrow.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, July 9, 2004 03:23:30 AM
IP: 67.14.195.35

GB: that might have gotten a response a lot faster if you just emailed me. You know where to find me.

FYI, I got my new powerbook today. Needs a name. In other news, I settled on "Bender" for my car. It will have a vanity plate frame that says "bite my shiny metal ass!"
Josh
Friday, July 9, 2004 02:12:28 AM
IP: 69.162.70.8

Sorry to bother! But does anybody know what Angela's wingspan is?
Krista
Friday, July 9, 2004 01:10:54 AM
IP: 68.116.254.201

Gunjack> <<There's like six different mystery programs running in the background that I can't find, let alone uninstall>>: You don't really need to uninstall, just stop them from running in the first place: start/programs/accessories/system tools/system information/tools/system configuration utility/startup. You should be able to uncheck most everything you don't recognize without anything really happening to windows itself (I only have well under half still checked).
<<My job cut my hours about the same time she left, so we both be on the skids>>: Ah, I thought it was more about immigration.
<<a really nice old one in fact, but I dropped it once too many times and now the bottom third of the screen doesn't work>>: And that's why I don't like proprietary, fully integrated systems. Too annoying to replace just one part.
<<Oddly enough, the night she made that statement was also the second night of resumed work on the project>>: But not at the same rate, I can assume, so there'll still be an increased delay from whenever you made your first guess of when it was coming out relative to the main series.
<<Gotta check this out soon>>: You can wait, the archive's currently down. And it's really only art style that's moderately similar, plot's totally different (but still enough angst and tragedy).
<<did you know smiling supresses the gag reflex?>>: Not particularly. Maybe I've just become inured.
<<Kinda like Newman's, but low-budget>>: If you're going to blow stuff up, why go low budget?
<<Most places are, I've found>>: You're only saying that because you have Privileges.
<<The problem is, people want to kill us because we keep poking our nose in>>: And yet, even when we were trying to keep out of everybody's business, enough things happened to us to raise the populus's ire (Lusitania, Zimmerman telegram...).
<<all of our enemies are artifacts of US foriegn policy, and the same mistakes are being repeated as we speak>>: I'd say we did all right with West Germany and Japan, just need to figure out what went right there.
<<There ain't anyone we can trust that much, and there ain't even any group we can trust to be DISTRUSTFUL enough to take American Democracy into the back room for an hour or two with all the lights off>>: And people can't replace enough sheafs of paper out of a big box in the same hour or two?
<<To paraphrase the Richardson Police, "Crime is way down! To celebrate, we'll step up enforcement off petty regulations none of you have ever heard of!">>: You want to be the one to fire the cops after they've done their job right?
<>: They'll need to hire about four times the conductors per train, I believe.
<<We had no business in WWI>>: Not until it was mostly over and they (rightly) got scared of our huge supply of fresh fighters. Though, we were technically on the wrong side, with the assassins country.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, July 8, 2004 11:31:19 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

Hey y'all. I'm sorry I haven't been in here a while. Summer Camp. Fun. Well, I've gotta jet, so I'd better say what I came in here to say!! The story "Prince of Thieves" was the best one I've read yet! Well, g2g!
Krista
Thursday, July 8, 2004 09:29:35 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201

Yggdrasil> Things have been hectic here and up until last week I wasn't even sure if I could go to the gathering.

E-mail me what you have so far and I'll let you know what I can have done or can bring.
Whitbourne - [dblacqui@dal.ca]
Thursday, July 8, 2004 09:23:34 PM
IP: 142.177.154.67

Dezi> <<Oh Wait. Duh. Nevermind. *smacks forehead*. Duh.>>
*ruffles hair* It's okay. I was only skimming, so I nearly missed it, too.

Gunjack> <<What's that about, then?>>
:P

<<Speakin' of names, what the heck's "Bud-Clare" for anyway?>>
Not tellin'. ;)
Bud-Clare
Thursday, July 8, 2004 05:01:44 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Technically "we" have 5 but I have 1... Dale is my cat -- the other 4 belong to my parents(yes I rent the upstairs apartment from them -- it is cheaper than the alternatives and I get along well with my parents(I am 35)) The cats are all from the same litter -- essentially nermal adopted us over 10 years ago and was pregnant at the time... The indoor cats are all 10 years old as of early april. Nermal we guess is about 14.

http://silvadel.osiriscomm.com/boots.jpg -- that is the leader of the cats -- average int -- a monster actually.

http://silvadel.osiriscomm.com/chippy.jpg -- that is the plastic licking cat -- sweet thing but kind of dumb.

I showed http://silvadel.osiriscomm.com/daleball.jpg my cat last week -- Dale is a cat genius.

http://silvadel.osiriscomm.com/eeper.jpg was shown earlier this week but I am including him for comparison sake -- He is a very nice cat -- somewhat intelligent but while dale will make a plan and change it on the fly, eeper makes a plan and goes through with it regardless of whether conditions change...

Yes all 4 of those are from the SAME LITTER... The mother of them (who is an outdoor animal -- tried to move her into the cellar once but she will not litter train and can get from one section to another in ways you wouldnt imagine) Yes I know this picture isnt as good but she comes to you when you go outside and is in constant motion so she is hard to photograph... http://silvadel.osiriscomm.com/nermal.jpg

Well that is all of em..

silvadel
Thursday, July 8, 2004 10:56:56 AM
IP: 24.225.221.135

Gunjack: <Bud-Clare><<*snickers...just in general*>> What's that about, then? Speakin' of names, what the heck's "Bud-Clare" for anyway? > It is drunken tulips dancing, remember? :) Ok, don't ever drink Snapple's Volcano element drink. It'll send you through the roof, and that at 2 pm YESTERDAY. weeeeeee!
Dezi
Thursday, July 8, 2004 09:10:07 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Well, I am now promotable. This means jack shit, as I am getting out in six months, but hopefully that makes me more emplyable.

Beloved Kazz> Well, if your parents back out, I'll just decide I can't go up to Newfoundland. Well, I hope that doesn't happen ::kisses::

But I would be very offended if they can't be bothered to viist me after I have visited them twice and thee times as of February.

Silvadel> Your kitties are cute. How many do you have?

Gside> <<We've tried that quite a few times in the past, two of which were right before both world wars.>> We had no business in WWI, and our connection with Europe in WWII was indirect, though I'm glad we came in as I don't think Hitler would have won...but instead, Stalin would have won on his own and the Iron Curtain would cover all of Europe.

Jacob> I am glad to see you, and I hope you enjoy the Calculus book.

Well, to liven it up I could start talking about how hot and sexy Belinda Stronach is, and how she is the sexiest woman in Parliament..of course her competition is pretty non-existent :)

Yggdrasil> I emailed Whitbourne. I haven't heard back from him.

Gunjack> <<Thing about PJ is, he admits he's a world-class @$$hole. He makes no real appology for that, but at least he's honest...>> Well, PJ is from teh most morally degenerate generation to ever exist..the baby boomers, but I favor euthansizing 80% of them in the next 10 years (but purely to keep me from paying extra FICA), and O'Rourke is one I'd spare (along with my good friend Dr. Barnes), while my parnets I'd put in the 80% column (especially as my mother's condo is now worth 300 grand).

<<I'm going with Nader, I think. He's the front-running third party candidate, and I'd like to see him actually make official party status. Since he's not going to win, his stance on issues is kinda irrelevent, but the "let's get the heck out of Iraq NOW" appeals to me.>> Well, the Libertarian candidate is the same way,a nd he's not beholden to the dirtbag interest Nader is. BTW, Nader is not the candidate for the Luddite Green Party, but he's with the Reform Party, the Party of Perot and Buchanan.

My blog has an ad for the Libertarian candidate which is pretty neat, and at heart I find myself more and more a Libertarian. I am beginning to favor getting out of Iraq, not because I'm afraid of going, but for your reasons, that we are seriously screwing the pooch there, though I still don't like the anti-war movement and the scum they were in bed with. I guess I could be anti-anti-war :)

<<the thing, see... Unions, Lawsuits, Internationalism, collectivism, I'm not real fond of any of these, but more and more lately I've been seeing that the flipsides to these can be much, MUCH scarier. On a personal level, you can fight a union; it would be ugly, but you could do it.>> A machine gun at a picket line can make the odds easier :)

I see your point..my only concern would be that you might find solidarity with them. America's greatest sin has been to find solidarity with scum to fight bigger scum..Samozas, Mao, Stalin, Saudi Arabia, DeGaulle, Pakistan, Suharto, Diem (though Kennedy had him killed), Sadaam, Taliban. Of course the other side makes the same mistake as young idiots praise Castro, the Sandanistas, Sadaam, Arafat, Chirac, Kim Jong Il, Ho Chi Minh, Jimmy Carter, just because they are on the other side.

Soldiarity is an evil, horrid thing.

<<You can't fight Haliburton. You can't fight the FBI, or the US Military, or the Executive Branch, or the National Media>> I'd include the CIA and IRS. Many of these factions can be divided against each other.

I myself am with the Libertarian party, the CATO Institute, the Individual Rights Foundation, the Ayn Rand Institute, the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, and anarcho-capitalists. I'll also side with the Mongolians and the Huns if they were to come back.

<<They're just too powerful for the individual to take on and have a hope in heck of making it out in one piece. If I'm gonna team up with someone I don't like, I'm gonna team up with the guy I think I can lick if I need to.>> Plus you'd be part of their internal structur and can then turn the tables on them with even greater effect. Of course I won't to do more than lick them. I want to create a vacuum for myself to fill, or at least to take atatche cases full of cash from :)

<<IMHO, one of the best moves we could EVER make would be to remove the "permanent member" rules for the security council, at least regarding veto. The major military powers probably should retain their permanent seats, but they shouldn't be able to shove the other members around the way they do now. The other good move would be to quit griping and submit to the ICC.>> Well, the UN was established in 1945, so after 60 years we can make a lot of changes. Russia is not a competing superpower. The US has such a huge GDP, it should just become a non-voting member of the UN, or just completely get out. The US can eventually scale its military down to border protection and being able to muster a good force when we are threatened.

As for the ICC, that's the Senate's call. I do see it being used to bring charges against anyone and everyone in the US out of spite, but looking at how Mislosevich is playing the ICC, we have attorneys who could turn any trial on an American into an OJ-style court circus, so bring it on.

As for democracy, ours has passed into the bad stages. Too many Americans have their hands out asking what America can do for them and not what they can do for tehmselves. Obsolete industries want protection form honest competition. Farmers want their subsidies at the expense of the American consumer and millions of poor farmers world wide who can make a better product cheaper. Everyone is suing each other instead of taking responsibility for their own actions...maybe I should move to Singapore, where chidlren are not treated like little tin gods, DUIs are actually punished, cars are not needed at all, and income tax does not exceed 29% even if you are a billionaire.

<<The problem is, people want to kill us because we keep poking our nose in. Osama, Saddam, Al Qeada, the Taliban, all of our enemies are artifacts of US foriegn policy, and the same mistakes are being repeated as we speak.>> I know and while I think we should clean up our messes, we just screw the pooch instead.

It's too bad there isn't a Galt's Gulch for all that's good in the world to flee to while the rest of the planet goes to Hell.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Humphreys, Korea
Thursday, July 8, 2004 07:48:48 AM
IP: 220.73.165.75

Bud-Clare > Thanks. I've sent an e-mail to the contact addy listed on that site... so I'll see what happens.

Triskadekaphobes may want to avoid looking directly at the countdown today...

13 days left to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville (deadline is July 20 at noon).
13 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 20).
29 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Thursday, July 8, 2004 06:49:51 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

I will kill this computer. I will kill this computer soon. The internet intermittently cuts out without apparent reason, commands rearrange themselves without any apparent reason, files mysteriously refuse to run for multiple resets, each time claiming a different problem. There's like six different mystery programs running in the background that I can't find, let alone uninstall. I am pissed.

Josh, you towering tyranny of virtual smuggery, Lain says you have a mac you're thinking about selling, yes? Gotta talk to you. You take credit cards?

Gside><<But how much is redundant and not dense notes?>> That's a) unfinished stories or b) outlines. It's a big, big stack. <<Couldn't he bring it on the next conjugal visit?>> No dinero. My job cut my hours about the same time she left, so we both be on the skids. <> We have one, a really nice old one in fact, but I dropped it once too many times and now the bottom third of the screen doesn't work. Plus it needs a windows reinstall. << Due to personal crises encountered by the authors, I take it?>> Oddly enough, the night she made that statement was also the second night of resumed work on the project. <<Yes, and similar artist (mentioned a couple times by Jack's author) that you might hate is Jay Naylor's Better Days at furrymilitia.net>> Gotta check this out soon. Lord knows I'm not swimming in QUITE ENOUGH angst and tragedy lately...
<<You can stop thinking. It does hurt.>> Yeah. *smiles* did you know smiling supresses the gag reflex? <<The only Political Science I respect is Randy Newman's, and that's a song.>> How about the Shining Path "hey, here's a way to turn this stick of dynamite and that bandanna into a grenade launcher" kind? Kinda like Newman's, but low-budget.

Bud-Clare><<*snickers...just in general*>> What's that about, then? Speakin' of names, what the heck's "Bud-Clare" for anyway?

She><<Geez is this place ever boring without me!>> Most places are, I've found.

Taleweaver><<What are you thoughts about the movie? Hit, sleeper or a bomb?>> Nice look to it, but I think it's gonna suck. Most versions of the arthur legend do. Heck, I don't think I've seen a good one, ever. Excalibur sucked, Camalot was gay, first night sucked, merlin was awful, that maid of the mist/lady of the lake druidic thingy was just damn creepy... and now this one is going to suck too.
Me, I think it's a flaw inherint to the origional.

Nitrophire><<Hey is the "Bad Guys" episodes ever going to be put on the site or what?>> Working on that now, after 48 hours of Jack and War Nerd. Hope you like your fiction red and messy.
Just kidding. Mostly. 8 D

gb><> Thing about PJ is, he admits he's a world-class @$$hole. He makes no real appology for that, but at least he's honest... <<BTW, did you get the little gifties I sent you and Lain.>> That weapons manual has accompanied me daily for some weeks now as my new notebook. Got it crammed full of weapons sketches, character designs, the works. 8 )
<<. I have begun to reconsider isolationism (only military) and that America should resign from the UN Security Council and perhaps compeltely withdraw from the UN...>> IMHO, one of the best moves we could EVER make would be to remove the "permanent member" rules for the security council, at least regarding veto. The major military powers probably should retain their permanent seats, but they shouldn't be able to shove the other members around the way they do now. The other good move would be to quit griping and submit to the ICC.
<<I'm going with the Libertarian like I did in 2000. The Libertarian position against the war is teh only one I can really respect, plus they havea few members who like to draw Mickey Mouse ears on Che Guerva and don't bow down to Chomsky.>> I'm going with Nader, I think. He's the front-running third party candidate, and I'd like to see him actually make official party status. Since he's not going to win, his stance on issues is kinda irrelevent, but the "let's get the heck out of Iraq NOW" appeals to me. We're like a wrench in that country's gears. The longer we stay there, the more the gears are going to tear themselves apart.
<<Well find one who won't back thsoe interests and won't back flipside negatives like union interests, lawsuit mania, internationalism, third worldism, and collectivism.>> That's the thing, see... Unions, Lawsuits, Internationalism, collectivism, I'm not real fond of any of these, but more and more lately I've been seeing that the flipsides to these can be much, MUCH scarier. On a personal level, you can fight a union; it would be ugly, but you could do it. You can't fight Haliburton. You can't fight the FBI, or the US Military, or the Executive Branch, or the National Media. They're just too powerful for the individual to take on and have a hope in heck of making it out in one piece. If I'm gonna team up with someone I don't like, I'm gonna team up with the guy I think I can lick if I need to.
<<well maybe so, but I put Gunjack's stubborness in a different category than DUIs.>> Heh. Gratis. *tips hat*

Tharos><<Heh... nice choice of words, considering who you're talking about.>> Yeah, walked right into that one. Out of curiousity, have you ever read Without Remorse or The Crow? Kinda the same vibe going on there, but with a different frequency...

Gside (again)><<There has to be a blance somewhere between poking our noses into everybody's business and letting people who want to kill us stay in power.>> The problem is, people want to kill us because we keep poking our nose in. Osama, Saddam, Al Qeada, the Taliban, all of our enemies are artifacts of US foriegn policy, and the same mistakes are being repeated as we speak.
<<Every now and then IEEE runs articles on voting systems, but I personally think as long as they remain unconnected and you have someone trusted (or enough distrusting people in a group) watching them, it shouldn't be too bad.>> No way. There ain't anyone we can trust that much, and there ain't even any group we can trust to be DISTRUSTFUL enough to take American Democracy into the back room for an hour or two with all the lights off.
All they'd need to do would be to make the machine print hard-copy right there in front of the person voting. That would solve every single one of the problems, and everyone would be fine. But no, it's absolutely essential that there be NO hardcopy whatsoever, because that would be cheaper or more efficient. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I can't see why anyone should.
<<If you can assume that crime statistics don't change dramatically year to year, I see nothing wrong with planning that you can get x number of dollars from whatever (reasonable) fines they decide to post.>> To paraphrase the Richardson Police, "Crime is way down! To celebrate, we'll step up enforcement off petty regulations none of you have ever heard of!"
<<But still more sane than being dependant on everyone playing nice.>> In this case, I don't want them to assume everyone will play nice. I just want them to check tickets BEFORE you get on the train, the way they do on the busses. That would solve the whole problem... Except then, no harvesting the trains for fines.

Okay, computer working better now, and I'm too tired to enjoy it. Going to bed now, dreaming about strangling people in an offhand manner with the off hand.

PEACE, or the closest simulation thereof available through your local Haliburton subsidiary.
Gunjack "HULK SMASH" Valentine
Thursday, July 8, 2004 03:39:52 AM
IP: 4.7.36.9

Oh Wait. Duh. Nevermind. *smacks forehead*. Duh.
Dezi
Thursday, July 8, 2004 01:46:12 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Bud-Clare: I don't get it. Care to share a clue? :)

Lain: I got your message. Thanks. :D
Dezi
Thursday, July 8, 2004 01:44:58 AM
IP: 68.58.158.101

hey yall

ok im finally back to my normal net scedual.. hey ive got a real brain buster for yall. i havent read anything like this in the stories yet but im going trough them slowly.

What would happen to a gargyle bitten, and truned by a vampire... gen info. bitten about 10 times so very well into change by daybreak, at daybreak almsot at the human equivilant of 3 days worth of change. dont think stone sleap could cancle it.

any thoughts on this would be helpful...trying to wirte sci fi story.

im going back to writing...
well later yall
Brutis - [creture_of_the_night_20042004@yahoo.com]
hammond, la, usa
Thursday, July 8, 2004 01:01:27 AM
IP: 68.155.124.87

Greetings;

Well due to circumstances beyond my control (namely the fact that I haven't heard from Whitbourne at all), I need to change the format of the Gathering talk. Since I have very little knowledge of anatomy, and unless Lynati wants to take over, I don't think that I'll be able to focus on it for the talk. I am however, more than willing to give a talk on genetic engineering: fact, fiction and science fiction. I can even focus a good chunk of the talk on the mutates and the work of the good Dr. Sev.

How does this sound to you?

Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 11:31:24 PM
IP: 66.185.84.203

Jacob> <<with a new name and capital letters and punctuation and all>>: Not to mention a new gender.
<<all the work we've done on "Bad Guys" so far, which apparently makes a stack about 3 inches thick>>: But how much is redundant and not dense notes?
<<Shipping the computer is just too expensive, which kinda stinks>>: Couldn't he bring it on the next conjugal visit?
<<Anyone got an old clunky laptop collecting dust somewheres>>: I want to have a laptop on hand myself, even if it is rather old by now.
<>: With any luck we can convert you from a rightie to a leftie.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 10:38:08 PM
IP: 69.141.212.54

Patrick> Ha! I can do better than that afterall. Crimson Fury's website hasn't been disabled yet. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/2284/
Bud-Clare
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 10:06:31 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

Patrick> This is the only address I have for B&CF, but there's a very good chance it's outdated. (34nsgiq at cmich.edu) Good luck.

Jacob> *snickers...just in general*
Bud-Clare
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 10:03:58 PM
IP: 66.67.201.63

lm or fs- I got LM's e-mail at least I think it was from her but I can not open it my computer crashed and now it will not let me view it....could you resend please.
froggleggs
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 09:22:16 PM
IP: 69.212.43.74

Geez is this place ever boring without me!
At any rate, I HAVE RETURNED... albeit with a new name and capital letters and punctuation and all. All the better to avoid eye contact, if you catch the drift.

Anyways, its nice here. Warm and sunny every day. It also smells salty, which is loverly.

Gside>> <<Due to personal crises encountered by the authors, I take it?>>
Yeah, and the whole "not having a computer at all" doesnt help much either..
I got the Moochie to print out and mail me all the work we've done on "Bad Guys" so far, which apparently makes a stack about 3 inches thick (even *I'M* impressed!), and I'm going to be plinking on it the old fashioned way with pen and paper. Shipping the computer is just too expensive, which kinda stinks ...Anyone got an old clunky laptop collecting dust somewheres??? *ever hopeful* All it needs to do is word process and be able to handle dial-up...
No? well, points for effort. :)
I don't have a TV either, so I got a calculus book out of the library, which is entertaining for my deprived brain. I'm thinking of challenging an exam or two, depending on how things go.

Anyways, I still live, and geez is this place ever boring without me ;)

Next time I get back to library land, I'll post again :)
Jacob
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 07:47:27 PM
IP: 207.34.170.129

Green Baron> <>: We've tried that quite a few times in the past, two of which were right before both world wars. There has to be a blance somewhere between poking our noses into everybody's business and letting people who want to kill us stay in power.
<<Uh, no>>: And I'd have thought Mardi Gras would cause at least a little spike in just about everything they might fear about a city (corrupting their little girl, pickpockets...).

Patrick> <<in the name of truth, beauty, freedom, and love!>>: Sure you don't mean top, bottom, strange, and charm?

Lynati> <<"Bad Guys" has been put on hold>>: Due to personal crises encountered by the authors, I take it?

Taleweaver> <<What are you thoughts about the movie? Hit, sleeper or a bomb?>>: Average. It'll do well, but not be wildly successful.

Na zdorov'ya.l
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:49:51 AM
IP: 69.141.212.54

http://silvadel.osiriscomm.com/eeper.jpg is the cat that we have that has diabetes... Only learned recently that that was possible in a cat... He is the expensive cat...
silvadel
Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:15:45 AM
IP: 24.225.221.135

Firestorm- I assume our assumptions were right.... don't worry about responding, the one thing I can admit is I come from a very strange family a lot of tides have been broken and never really thought they would be mended- not saying it in a mean way just facts. I do wish the best for you and LM, and a lifetime of happiness.
froggleggs
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 11:38:38 PM
IP: 69.212.40.233

...
froggleggs
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 11:36:27 PM
IP: 69.212.40.233

Taleweaver: See, being a news intern is real cool. I have already seen King Arthur, thanks to some advance tickets provided to our station. Interested in a balanced review?
Dezi
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 10:22:18 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Greetings all,
With King Arthur being released tomorrow, I thought I'd plumb Pendragon fans thoughts befoer they see the movie. What are you thoughts about the movie? Hit, sleeper or a bomb?
Taleweaver
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 09:39:34 PM
IP: 207.69.139.159

Sorry for the double post.

Lynati: Cool. Well, not for 'Bad Guys' which I'll miss. But I'm more personally invested in 'Gargoyles' and I can't wait to see how that season turns out. Good luck!
Ed
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 02:43:04 PM
IP: 213.187.38.246

Eleven!

Nitrophire: Maybe you could volunteer to help.
Ed
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 02:41:30 PM
IP: 213.187.38.246

...Actually, "Bad Guys" has been put on hold, and Gargoyles Season 4 is once again slated to be posted next.
Lynati
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 02:39:29 PM
IP: 64.123.238.108

Oh lookie ten! Hey is the "Bad Guys" episodes ever going to be put on the site or what?
Nitrophire
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 02:14:09 PM
IP: 198.96.80.16

Nines...
Lynati
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 01:26:49 PM
IP: 64.123.238.108

Eight!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Dezi
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 01:18:19 PM
IP: 68.58.158.101

Boo!

Yeah I'm not dead. Been doing a lot lately and didn't really have anything much to talk about.

I had so much fun with Thomas when he was visiting. I miss him alot but damn...7 months...*mumbles*
Green Baron,
<<their small-town minded paranoia over New Orleans>>
I'm working on that. Regardless, I'm going to New Orleans! hehe. *kiss* My first time in the US I do have to confess I'm tiny bit nervous but not like my parents. My parents think of insane ways how I'm going to get killed there. Just so silly. A little while ago, someone got killed in Humber Valley and they totally glossed it over because the guy was a mainlander living here. I don't get them at all. Do you? Argh. Frustrating. I wanna live dammit. SO what I die later on? Gonna die anyways. It's life.

*clears throat*

Don't get me started on the election. Give me a migraine. Oy. Martin might as well dress in a teddy bear suit prancing all over Canada giggling cuz he can rob people for months to come. I do admit minority government might be good for Newfoundland and the martimes, although damn Nova Scotians are trying to snatch our territory...after negotiating was over. (I have to wonder if it's EVER over)
Well anyways I'll shut up now.

Dezi,
Congrats on your award, Joy! You're having fun I bet!

A random thought: Never have too much sun. Stay indoors...
Hellcat
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 01:11:06 PM
IP: 205.251.135.66

#6 =)
silvadel
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 12:39:48 PM
IP: 24.225.221.135

Fifth in the name of truth, beauty, freedom, and love!

15 days left to reserve your hotel room at the Delta Centre-Ville (deadline is July 20 at noon).
15 days left to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 (deadline is July 20).
31 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick - [<-- Allez-vous au le Gathering!]
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 12:35:09 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Fourth! Wish I could think of a witty phrase or something to post "in the name of", but it's just not happening.
Tharos
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 12:32:34 PM
IP: 69.40.143.224

Three in the NAME OF ALL THAT IS CANADIAN!
Damien
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 12:03:46 PM
IP: 207.6.144.51

Deuce!

Peace
Z
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 11:53:02 AM
IP: 66.143.159.109

First!
Spike
Tuesday, July 6, 2004 11:09:15 AM
IP: 68.93.248.255