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Work has me on the road this week. I'm posting from a hotel in the middle of West Virginia coal country. It's a good thing they've got the internet out here, 'cause the mountains sure screw up the cel phone reception.

When someone says "I assume..." it always makes me think of the villian in "Under Seige 2: Dark Territory." Editted for general audiences, he said "Assumption is the mother of all f(oul)-ups."

56 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Chapmanville, West Virginia
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:53:20 AM
IP: 24.177.31.51

Can anyone give me the link to the "Bad" video done with Demona?
Weregargoyle - [admlcav@aol.com]
Austin, Tx, USA
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 03:47:50 AM
IP: 152.163.100.137

Priorities, priorities, priorities.

Lady Mystic & Fire Storm - Just sent you guys an email at Lady Mystic's email addy. It's important but not urgent.

**YuGiOh Spoilers**

Alright, I finally got to see the 1st episode of the series shown in America. (If you do further research, you'll discover there was a 1st season made in Japan that never aired in the U.S.) The voices haven't definitely changed: Kiba and Mokuba sounded . . harsher than they are in the current season. Poor Mokuba was completely oblivious to the big wrong that Seto Kiba did to Yugi. I never did quite catch what Mokuba's reaction was to Seto blantly tearing apart the Blue Eyes card that Yugi's grandfather had. Later on, we know that Mokuba knew about it, but, given Mokuba's innocence, I would have to wonder how Mokuba would have reacted.

Speakign of that, I would like to go back to do a count of all the interaction between Seto and Yugi to see just how bad Seto has treated Ygui and how patient/kind Yugi has been to Seto.

1)Seto destroyed Yugi's grandfather's Blue Eye's card.
2)Yugi 'freed' Seto's mind so he could understand the heart of the card.
3)Seto intervened in a deal where Pegasus captured Seto's cards to use in a duel against Yugi so that Yugi could win. (1st time Seto actually did anything nice for Yugi, but the motivation was way-off)
4)Yugi saved Seto's deck after said duel.
5)Seto crushed Joey's spirits at duellist kingdom.
6)Seto used trickery to win his 2nd duel against Yugi, resulting in the 1st time Yugi and the spirit of the puzzle were at odds with each other
7)Yugi saved Seto's and Mokuba's soul by winning the match against Pegasus
8)Seto gave Yugi a ride home (2nd thing Kiba did for Yugi)
9)Yugi (& friends) saved Seto from the VR world (we later learn that those Board of Directors were at least semi-justified in treating Seto - considering how Seto acquired the company)
10)Although being manipulted, Seto organized the battle city tournament, resulting in . . . increased safety for Yugi (considering what would have happenned if there was no tournament, Yugi probably wouldn't have lasted) and gving Ygui the opportunity to earn the Egyptian god cards - side note: of course, Seto now has a pretty good database of who possesses what cards. Of course, I have to wonder if Seto didn't 'acquire' some of that info by records from Duelllist Kingdom.
11)Seto and Mokuba tracked Yugi down after he went missing (Seto wanted to keep track of all of Yugi's duels just so he knows every card in Yugi's deck so Seto could work up a counter)
12)Seto encouraged Yugi during Yugi's duel to acquire Slifer.
13)Seto 'saved' Yugi from rare hunters while chasing after Joey - side note: Seto did it in a lot fewer steps than Yugi could.
14)Yugi and Seto double dueled to rescue Yugi's friends and Mokuba. Through grudging cooperation from Seto, they won.
15)Tai saved Mokuba, resulting in Seto helping Yugi find Joey to save him from Merik.
16)Yugi saved Seto and Mokuba in the VR world
16)Seto willingly gave Yugi the "Magic Fiend Sanctuary" card. I don't count Seto giving Obselik to Yugi as much because that wasn't a sacrifice for Seto, considering that Obselik was handed to Seto. This is the 1st time Seto did something nice to Yugi for the right reason. Seto justified the action to himself as a means of testing Yugi's skill level. If that was true, then Seto would have to admit that his latest battle with Yugi wasn't a test of Yugi's skill.

Ok, time to count it up - Seto treating Yugi badly (3 times) plus Yugi treating Seto kindly (5 times) minus Seto helping Yugi for at least halfway right reasons (3 times). Wow, Seto's balanced his actions against Yugi.

**End YuGiOh SPoilers**

I liked the Headline "Just In: Undecided Voters are stupid". At this point, if you don't know who you're voting for in the presidential election, . . . Honestly, I don't know much about my local elections. Yes, I'm voting for Marvin Parks over Vic Synder, not just because Marvin Parks is a Republican, but because I know Marvin Parks. He used to be my bus driver and he was also a math teacher at Junior High School. Not just that, but Marvin Parks understands a very important issue dear to my being: Highway Safety. I live next to a very dangerous section of highway where lots of accidents have occured over the years. He understands what I'm talking about, since bus route used to go through my area. He has told me that my state highway department is going to install stop light to help with the traffic problem. If it happens, that gets my vote.

DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 03:32:49 AM
IP: 67.14.195.36

Gside: Acts of violence against the fandom are above me. Gargoyle sympathizers are hard to find in this day and age. Also, I don't think I have the stomach to search the archives for newbies. The next time I'm drunk, however, will be another story.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 02:00:57 AM
IP: 69.174.23.52

Ross: Ahhh. Nice to see someone proving that old saying about making assumptions… (That there hadn’t been new fic because you hadn’t bothered to check, that everyone had lost interest because there hasn’t been new fic “in the last year”, that Bishansky is the “only one on staff left” simply because he’s the only one on staff who answered you immediately...)
-.-
There are in fact several more seasons of TGS including Gargs 4 and 5, TD 5, DA 3, and Bad Guys 1 being worked on at present. And while there are certainly fewer of us around than there used to be, Bishansky is hardly the only person left on TGS staff. He’s a moderator for this CR, which is one of the reasons he posts so regularly, but very few of the staff actually post in this room on a regular basis. A lot lurk through, and some don’t bother to come here at all- and never did even before coming onto staff.

[but can someone please fill me in on what's happening with possible more seasons of the fics written in TGS?]
They remain very possible. So possible, in fact, that I’m working on one right now. (Well, I’m actually working on six right now of various series, but at the time of this post I only had one open and actively being typed in.)

[I check back in once or twice a year, but I don't remember this Comment Room being around last time.]
This comment room has been around since 1998. It’s rather thoroughly archived week to week. http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/index.html

And Spike hasn’t been on staff for TGS for years. She left before I came on, and I’ve been on in some form or another for, hm, over 3 years now.

[The existing seasons kinda left us wanting more, and I've never seen anything that says the project has been discontinued.]
aaand lo, Josh was too distracted to comment.

[Even to this day, with no new fics for the past few years]
As already pointed out, there have been new fics in the last years, a whole new season in 2003 alone.

[Last I checked was ages ago, and I guessed I just missed the whole season in between the times I came around.]
So you immediately came in and started griping about a lack of new fics without even bothering to check and see if there had been any?

[There's even a new series I don't remember being around "Bad Guys," even though there's nothing posted yet. ]
Bad Guys is lain and Gunjack’s baby. There were problems, as in many of the people who first agreed to help them with it utterly flaked. The pair decided to take their plans back for further personal work on it, and have every intention of having a full season ready before all of us Americans are herded into terrorism-free control camps for our own good. ; )

[I guess I'm hoping that there's another place you all moved to.]
No, we’re pretty much still stuck on TGS.

[ So many talented people were involved with the first seasons of these series, I don't understand how everyone could give up on it all at once.]
I had them all killed so I could take control of the second half of TD season 5. There was no other way my dream of having the last of the gargoyles species die before the year 2200 would happen.

[ Someone please clue me in! ]
Trying to. Why don’t you come to the next Gathering and we can walk you through TGS’s current progress in person? It’s in Vegas.
http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/

[I never knew only a handful of people carried each season.]
That’ because it’s a recent development. Many of the original staff either burned out after season 2, lost interest, or had their lives overrun by RL issues like work and serious schooling to devote enough time to the project.

[but I don't think I can afford the time to help with plots of character developement If however you'd ever need someone to help flush out kinks, or beta-read something,.]
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to type “plots OR character development”. And even then, if you have no conception of the current developments in character or plot, just how do you intend to beta them? And while on that note, misspelling a word (“development”, no third ‘e’) while offering your talents as an editor/betader does not leave the best of impressions.

And TGS has nominally decided that it isn’t that we need more people right now- it is that those of us who are writing fics actually need to buckle down and finish them.

[There's no links to email addresses of staff members on the TGS page]
you mean, besides the “Have any mail for the TGS crew? Found a bad link in the website? Email tgs_info@yahoo.com” on the front page?
[so I don't know how else to contact someone besides leaving messages here]
It’s faster to leave a message here anyway.

Anyway. Hi room! Just to catch up, I moved to Texas a couple weeks ago. And I’m having to replace the OS on my computer because Windows ME has starting eating itself the last couple days and doing silly things like refusing to start in anything but safe mode. And I had to go learn basic html code to post the convention content info, but that was kind of cool. I’m more or less doing well, and I managed to re-learn all of Broadsword Form before I left Maryland. And there might be kittens soon, too.

Incidentally, you’ve still got about 3 weeks to create an entry for the cover of the Las Vegas convention calendar contest, if anyone is interested in that.

Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail]
Monday, October 11, 2004 11:43:14 PM
IP: 65.54.97.188

well, another year, and it's time to sign up for IEEE again. Not much to say, even including that.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, October 11, 2004 10:18:09 PM
IP: 68.38.119.15

To Ed, Greg, and Todd,

Thanks for responding, even if it took me awhile to get back to you. I had no idea a whole season of Pendragon came out last year. It just goes to show you how long it's been since I was around. Last I checked was ages ago, and I guessed I just missed the whole season in between the times I came around. I'm kind of excited about reading it though, because I know I'll have to skim through the previous seasons to refamiliarize myself with the plot. It really has been a long time.

I never knew only a handful of people carried each season. When I remember back on reading freash chapters, there always seemed to be at least a half dozen writing creidts , not to mention series credits and artwork. Sure, I knew a select few of you were responsible for the overall storylines, but I didn't know it was so demanding.

one of you asked if I would be interested in writing. 4 years ago I would have laughed at you, because I've never written a thing outseide of high school compositions. This past year though I've taken up writing Harry Potter fanfiction, and it turns out I'm pretty good. I've got a strong following (see link), and am having a lot of fun. So I'd like to help you, but I don't think I can afford the time to help with plots of character developement. If however you'd ever need someone to help flush out kinks, or beta-read something, let me know, or tell me who to contact to sign-up. Probably within the next two weeks I'll have comepletely re-read the whole series (all four actually), and I'm good with names, dates, and keeping the mythology straight.

Greg, as it seems like you're the only one still a staff member of TGS, let me know please. There's no links to email addresses of staff members on the TGS page, so I don't know how else to contact someone besides leaving messages here.

Ross
Ross - [RossWrock@yahoo.com]
Charlotte, NC
Monday, October 11, 2004 07:21:09 AM
IP: 69.134.86.200

Dezi:<Also, bloggers are saying that GWB was wired up during the first debate.> Personally I doubt that he was wired. The whole point of being wired is to make it look like your not wired, and that looked a little to obvious to me. The secret service is not that sloppy and they would be the one's to wire the president, if he was to where a wire.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, October 11, 2004 03:33:29 AM
IP: 65.127.114.149

Christopher Reeves isn't the only person to die over the weekend: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=6462611§ion=news

Maxime Faget's importance predates most of us, but his contributions are at least as important as Christopher Reeves, imho.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, October 11, 2004 03:14:10 AM
IP: 67.14.195.27

A moment of silence for Christopher Reeve.

Also, bloggers are saying that GWB was wired up during the first debate. Google it and you get some fun stuff. Click my name for the CNN site.

You hear a strange combo of stuff when your box fan blows up and you can't sleep in the silence so you sleep on the couch to CNN. I want a box fan!!!!
Dezi - [<- They laugh it off, but look at the pic!]
Monday, October 11, 2004 03:04:13 AM
IP: 68.57.196.146

HoE> <<Of course I'm capable of other emotions>>: That's a load off my mind. Just warn us should you ever get to the point of writing stories depicting you perpetrating acts of violence on other members of the fandom.
<<But I still feel that McDonald's is an evil empire. Not much will change that>>: You should meet my brother. He still hasn't told us what he did to a McDs to get him in court.
<>: I think you're hallucinating the typos. Well, at least they're not as bad thing other people in here have hallucinated.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:29:07 PM
IP: 68.38.119.15

I apologize profusely for all the typos in that last post. I really need to get to bed. Sweet dreams, everyone.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 02:06:06 AM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Gside: Of course I'm capable of other emotions. I don't plan on delivering pizza forever. It's just a way of putting food in my stomach while I mail the resume out. But I still feel that McDonald's is an evil empire. Not much will change that.

Seriously, I just finished reading the Gargoyles Saga Episode "Offers" (from TGS, Season 2), and I was deeply moved by it. The show, after "The Gathering, Parts I and II," more or less starting developing a humanistic quality within Xanatos, but never we never really saw inside the hearts of either him or Fox. My hat is once again off to the writing staff on this site for truly making not only the Xanatoses, but also Owen, feel more human. That was definitely an episode worthy of a second read.

How's that for more emotion? ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA , USA
Sunday, October 10, 2004 01:53:29 AM
IP: 68.65.42.130

HoE> <<I'm starting to miss Morgana>>: Don't. It's best if true newbies are only intermittent. If you really want to, you can look through the CR archives for a pair called Renee and Satan.

Vinnie> <<that all depends on how large the Iraqi list of shools is and far from the bottum Jersey schools are at>>: You just know we're right at the top.

HoE> <>: Please tell me you can do emotions other than hate. I don't think the room can take another perennially angry pizza delivery guy.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, October 10, 2004 12:54:59 AM
IP: 68.38.119.15

Besides, the real enemy here is McDonald's. I was cleaning my closet the other day, looking for old magazines to throw away, and I came across an old "Maxim" with a few startling facts about the corporation. They have restaurants all over the world, with a new one opening every few minutes (or hours, I forget which). They have their own university. And apparently, the Pentagon is not allowed to discuss countermeasures for a coup attempt by McDonald's. Ergo, they do not confirm that McDonald's is a threat, nor do they deny it.

Even if they're not planning a global attack, McDonald's is still a threat. Humans eat there all the time, develop health problems, and then expect McDonald's to assume responsibility for their stupidity, and give them free money. One of the things Demona left out of her little tirade about our species is a lack of responsibility, although Reynard did pick up the slack there. But anyway, lawsuits weaken our economy. And we all know where the money comes from when a lardass lacks the willpower to put down the Big Mac and pick up a salad or a set of weights. Not that I'm a vegetarian. It's just that there is a way to eat meat with less saturated fat. Namely, cook it yourself at home. Then, you know you're actually getting real meat.

Another reason I hate McDonald's. At work the other day, every McD's restaurant in my zip code placed a delivery order (I work as a driver for Pizza Hut). Amazingly, we have five of them in a five mile radius. Anyway, each one of those restaurants ordered between twenty and thirty dollars worth of pie, and not one of those assholes tipped me. They gave me exact change every time. Granted, I work for an evil empire as well. But at least, when we order Chinese, we tip the guy. And we pay out of the register, just like the tools at McDonald's. Bottom line is, don't eat there. They suck.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Saturday, October 9, 2004 02:17:12 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Gside: I personally think that terrorists have nothing better to do than attack schools. I mean, we splintered their organization three years ago, and they're probably still regrouping. If Bin Laden isn't dead, he still hasn't managed to get back all the hair dye we confiscated, if the videos are any indication. So, these days they have to take what they can get. They know that if a guy of Arabic descent gets within five miles of a dam or power plant, he'll be detained for questioning faster than you can say "infidel dog." So that leaves them with innocuous targets like schools. Personally, I think they're the ones responsible for cafeteria food. Also, watch for them to start using expired coupons en masse. Oh, and then there's Bin Laden's next master plan: have his men park in front of hydrants, and then tear up their parking tickets.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Saturday, October 9, 2004 01:57:53 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Gside:<See, Jersey must have strategic value if people want to blow up our schools.> Well that all depends on how large the Iraqi list of shools is and far from the bottum Jersey schools are at.;)
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, October 9, 2004 03:47:49 AM
IP: 65.127.114.34

I'm starting to miss Morgana. I hope she posts again soon so we can all ridicule her some more.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Saturday, October 9, 2004 01:49:24 AM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Fire Storm>> <Um... yeah..> Ahhh, *nostalgic sigh* that brings back memories. When I was three I hit my older brother over the head with the claw end of a hammer. He got twelve stitches. What can I say? Some kids can be really violent.
Mecord
Friday, October 8, 2004 11:31:26 PM
IP: 67.42.22.23

You may have heard that information on some American schools were found on a confiscated computer in Iraq. One of those happens to be right down the road from me, and is my alma mater. See, Jersey must have strategic value if people want to blow up our schools.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, October 8, 2004 11:28:53 PM
IP: 68.38.119.15

Harvester of Eyes: <There should be some way to preview images on this thing>
There is. On the page where you post, click "Images"
Fire Storm
Friday, October 8, 2004 09:39:50 PM
IP: 68.74.2.13

Well, that picture was disappointing. It sounded cool when I selected it. I assumed she'd be in Pack attire. There should be some way to preview images on this thing.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Friday, October 8, 2004 01:01:55 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Patrick: Goddamn, that was funny. I'll be probably be singing lines from that at work today. Tuesday, I spent most of the day humming Yes songs. Now, after today, my coworkers will all think I'm insane.

GENERAL NOTE:
I picked up Batman: the Animated Series Volume One yesterday. I forgot how great the Mr. Freeze episode is ("Heart of Ice"). I'd say it's one of my favorites, though it's a toss-up between that and the first episode with the Riddler ("If You're so Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?"). Hopefully, they'll put the Riddler's episodes on Volume 2. Does anyone know where I might find an episode listing for Volume 2?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Friday, October 8, 2004 12:59:55 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

brist > I'm looking into that for you.

Everyone who liked "This Land is My Land" should go to Jibjab.com (click my name) and check out the new video that premiered last night on Leno. It's called "Good to be in D.C." and this one is a sing-along.

60 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Friday, October 8, 2004 06:56:12 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Sorry, DPH. I barely watch TV anymore. Except for Adult Swim, Gargoyles when I can, and 24 once the new season starts.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Friday, October 8, 2004 01:23:11 AM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Hey, did anyone watch Drew Carey's new show on the WB? It takes "Whose line is it anyways" a step further.
DPH
AR, USA
Friday, October 8, 2004 01:10:14 AM
IP: 67.14.195.9

Um... yeah...
Fire Storm - [<---WTF?]
Thursday, October 7, 2004 11:43:45 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3

Damien> <<anyone have the link to the Gargoyles Bible mentioned in ask greg yesterday?>>: The Ask Greg archives are probably more detailed by now, but a web search will bring it to you.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, October 7, 2004 11:00:00 PM
IP: 68.38.119.15

Do anyone know who I talk to about getting my ph. gatge book the they were selling at the gathering. I paid for a book with paypal like on 9-10-04 and never got my book
brist - [bristopher@cox.net]
topeka, ks
Thursday, October 7, 2004 07:10:01 PM
IP: 68.103.208.234

Hey anyone have the link to the Gargoyles Bible mentioned in ask greg yesterday?
Damien
Thursday, October 7, 2004 04:56:58 PM
IP: 205.250.244.212

Hey gang, just wanted to stop by and let you know that the registration module is up and running at the 2005 Gathering of the Gargoyles site. http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org. Take advantage of the super early registration rate and save 10$ each on membership and banquet admissions. Both go up on October 21st so don't delay. We're accepting Visa, Mastercard, American Express and Discover in addition to Paypal and checks or money orders. Downloadable registration form is available just follow the link in the Registration module.

Also, don't forget we're having a costume contest! Send us a pic or a link to a pic of you in your Gargoyles Halloween costume and you'll be imortalized in our photo gallery. See the Contests page for all the details and other fun stuff.

Thanks! See you in Vegas!
kathy - [Take advantage of the website construction rate!]
Las Vegas, NV
Thursday, October 7, 2004 03:34:59 PM
IP: 66.82.9.81

However, according to amazon.com, the Gargoyles DVD is unrated. So I'd say that it's safe to hope.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Thursday, October 7, 2004 02:50:17 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Patrick: I'm counting on the first season of Gargoyles being unedited. One of the things I hate about seeing the show on Toon Disney is that even though they are showing "Deadly Force" again, they cut out one of the most powerful images, which is Elisa lying on her kitchen floor with a small pool of blood around her upper back. They show the close-up, but not the wider image (which shows us how badly she's wounded). When I first saw that episode a decade ago, even though I was just a snot-nosed High School Freshman, I was still impressed that Disney/Buena Vista would take a risk like that. So hopefully, Disney is using the original tapes as their source, and not the syndicated ones.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA , USA
Thursday, October 7, 2004 02:48:17 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

If the first season "Gargoyles" DVD sells really well with minimal effort having been invested by Disney, the only incentive that provides Disney is to repeat the process with the second season (most likely in multiple releases). This is one of the rare instances when what the viewers want - uneditted episodes - corresponds exactly with what is most cost-effective for the studio. Transferring those original master recordings onto DVD is super easy if no changes are being made.

I also think the period of hightened sensitivity about imagery of the WTC has run its course. On "C.S.I. New York" last night, the police were looking through a murder victim's sketchbook that contained drawings of the towers. And when I was in NYC for the Gathering 2003, there was certainly no shortage of WTC Twin Tower souvenirs in the gift shop.

Today is October 7. There are 61 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Thursday, October 7, 2004 12:29:44 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Harvester: I have a midterm in a few minutes and my internet's been crashing on me, so this is a quick reply:
I like the first season, just in the fact that you can watch it and think, "Look how far we've come." So it's entertaining in that way.
Anything circa mid-90's kicks ass, but lately it's been weak. So I haven't watched in months. I guess you could say I've lost faith, but oh well. There are still 6 or 7 seasons that are just purely hilarious.

Gotta head, later.
Tharos
Thursday, October 7, 2004 11:50:31 AM
IP: 165.190.89.139

Dezi> <>: Apparently, its compression routines had been giving emu people a hard time at dumping a good rom, but they seem to have worked past that.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 11:08:43 PM
IP: 68.38.119.15

Harvester, you're in Fredericksburg? I grew up mostly in Stafford, just north of you. *squeals with nostalgic joy*
Mecord's Cat
UT
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 06:12:25 PM
IP: 67.42.22.23

OMG I just found the Gargoyles game for sega genesis at this used game store!!!! I didn't know that one existed, although on one level I think I did. But wow! and only like $5!
Woot!
Dezi
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 05:32:07 PM
IP: 68.57.196.146

So, Tharos, what's your opinion of the first season? I myself never really cared for it, except for a few episodes. The animation was a lot cheesier, Smithers was black, and everyone acted out of character. But I suppose that's what first seasons are for. Anyway, I need to start buying the seasons on DVD. I don't plan on buying the first season, though. I think the show hit its creative peak in Seasons 3-9. Do you still watch it? I haven't seen it in a long time (mainly because I work evenings). But I just feel that it jumped the shark on the episode where they brought Homer and Flanders's Vegas wives back. Since then, my interest in it has wavered.

PS: I'm referring to the Simpsons, but you probably already knew that.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 05:23:10 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Harvester> On the subject of direct to video sequels, I asked Bob Kline about that at the LA Gathering. (Great guy, very insightful.) He called it marqueeship. Disney's corporate culture views its stories as franchises. (Slap the name of the movie on everything) And with DVD and secondary markets it is more cost effective to rehash a known property than try something different and risk having a bomb. The execs know Cinderella II isn't going to be the next Shrek, but enough parents of little kids will buy/rent it to make the money back plus a little extra. Because most audiences remember Cinderella or The Little Mermaid or whathaveyou favorably, they are more likely to see it if only once.

On the topic of revision, I'm generally against it. If the original got me into the theater the studios should be confident enough to believe the DVD will get me into Electronics store. I'm not rushing out to get the Star Wars trilogy because Lucas puts out another box set of the movies every other year. Why plunk down the cash when you know in two years time, there'll be another 'ULTIMATE' edition of the same story. Before Ep. 1, I was Star Wars fan enough to by multiple iterations, but I don't love it that much.

As for Gargoyles> I don't think Disney will do it for the reasons stated by others. Plus, the first season DVD is usually a minimum effort. They fit in the episodes, subtitles and different languages and if someone puts the effort for extras bully for them.

I doubt Disney will make changes because there isn't anyone actively advocating for the changes. In the early days, Disney caught some flak from christian groups, but that's about it. Without someone protesting against Disney has nothing to gain by changing it.

But the real question is if the DVD is a success,(Which I'll do my part of ensure. Dec. 7th baby!) What meddling might Disney do for the second season. But we'll wait and see.
Taleweaver
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 04:22:21 PM
IP: 209.179.168.31

Harvester of Eyes: Yes! I was hoping someone would pick up on that. Rock on.

Patrick: <> That's exactly the same thing I think of when the media tries to edit the Twin Towers out of all past footage. We just have to remember that who controls the past now controls the future. :-) Great book, btw. And what a great song with those lyrics.
Tharos
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 01:53:09 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139

Patrick> If I remember correctly, "Upgrade" vanished for a while too, because of the shot of the building collapsing, I guess.
Aaron
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 11:01:24 AM
IP: 66.139.49.253

Greetings;

Well I've been up for over 36 hours now and I'm nearing the end of my experiment. Only one thing to mention.

DPH: W- Wallis and Futuna. I don't think there are any countries that start with X, at least not now. The rest of the list looks fine.
Yggdrasil - [eng050599@hotmail.com]
Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 07:19:18 AM
IP: 129.97.62.93

A moment of respect for Rodney Dangerfield, 1921-2004.

Disney may have a lot of money, but I'm still betting they won't spend it on editting the WTC out of "Gargoyles." As I recall, the original skyline shots are still shown in Toon Disny airings of "Awakenings" and the only episode that's ever vanished from the rotation has been "Deady Force," not "The Mirror."

62 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 06:51:30 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Gunjack> He lives! Must have been a small glacier.
<<Teppo Jutsu>>: You know, according to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, if you can use those, you must be a Moogle.
<<You sound like someone who'd enjoy a good debate too>>: It's still too soon for him. Can't we wait for him to be in a full month at least before his first flame war?

DPH> <<I've noticed it all too easy to give the computer an edge with dice rolling events>>: There are many, many games that substitute cheating instead of skillful AI.
<<we're going to analyze why guys arguments that there is no god>>: Applied theology is delicious: http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=189
<>: Why wouldn't you want to have recursion available to you? Even if it doesn't let you do anything extra (I forget if it does or not), it's still a shortcut to a lot of things. That, and the best teaching example was in The Cat in the Hat.
<>: Zimbabwe is too much of a fun word to be forgotten.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, October 6, 2004 12:15:26 AM
IP: 68.38.28.143

Ok, here's a challenge, go through the entire alphabet and name a country that starts with each letter. This is honor of our current president's lack of knowledge of countries:

A - Argentina
B - Bolivia
C - Chile
D - Denark
E - Estonia
F - France
G - Germany
H - Hungary
I - Iraq
J - Japan
K - Kuwait
L - Lithuana
M - Mexico
N - North Korea
O - Oman
P - Poland
Q - Qatar
R - Russia
S - Spain
T - Thailand
U - Uganda
V - Venezuela
W - Western Sahara
X -
Y - Yemen
Z - Zimbawe

Ok, off the top of my head, I couldn't think of countries that started with O,W,X,Y,Z.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 11:53:04 PM
IP: 67.14.195.8

Patrick - The key to suceeding was severely limiting education. If the masses can't read/write, only oral history remains, which is dangerous. Published books are a necessity, because of hard copies of evidence, but nothing wrong with using computers to back up hard copies. Of course, I'm not quite sure how the world would get to the point of the events of 1984. Also, such a world has big problems: namely without scientific advancement, we place the whole world at risk for suriving severe disasters.

Gunjack - good to see you around.

Stupid VP debate. Why can't both candidates pick somebody really skilled at debating to represent them and let the two professional representatives debate out the issues for the candidates. Does a person have to be a good debater to be a good president? I don't think so.

I would argue that the most important qualification for a president is having the right stands on certain issues and the number two qualification is the ability to choose the right people to serve under him/her.

One of my teachers gave me a mathematical/geometric challenge and, being who am I, I couldn't say no.

I'm beginning to believe the law of averages is very true. In games of chance, regardless of your skill level, you have to lose from time to time. However, I've noticed it all too easy to give the computer an edge with dice rolling events. Simply roll the dice and not display the results until the computer gets what it wants.

In my Philosphy of Critical Thinking Class, we analyzed Socrates's argument that Death is gain. I really felt uncomfortable with that argument, because that argument is one step away from saying suicide is ok and frankly, the inverse of those thoughts (life isn't worth living) have been in my mind too often. At least, we're going to analyze why guys arguments that there is no god and I can't wait to demolish it. The whole argument boils down to the presence of evil negates the concept of a loving god. I really hate the assumption that an all-powerfull and benevolent god would allow evil to exist. Of course, the idea of having free will somehow negates the possibility of an all-powerfull god is an interesting argument in and of itself.

I had an argument with my Cobol teacher about the necessity of recursive functions; thankfully, when I bought a book about Visual C++, I ran across a good example of when recursive functions are needed.

**Kids WB Spoilers**
It was good to see Yugi defeat Obselik the tormentor without resorting to use another Egyptian god card.

I'm glad they're showing repeats of YuGiOh this week; I missed too many of the recent ones. Last saturday, I had made up my mind to do something nice: help make my church building more beatiful on the inside so I had missed the new episode.

I really enjoy the new looks of the villains of Batman.

I discovered last night that somehow, my computer, my personal computer, the 1st computer I bought after saving up money for months, had been compromised by virii AGAIN. Thankfully, I was able to remove the virii relatively easily compared to last time.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 11:31:47 PM
IP: 67.14.195.8

I'm rambling. Forgive me.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 10:31:36 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

I know revisionism is wrong. But sadly, a number of people in the media business don't seem to think so. The only reason I bought the Indiana Jones DVDs was because I heard that nothing was being added or taken away. Then a friend of mine told me Speilberg had been considering tinkering with them, like he had ET. Now we have George Lucas, who is trying to erase all evidence that the original editions of his Star Wars movies ever existed.

I admire Martin Scorsese, though, and how he left that final shot of Manhattan in at the end of "Gangs of New York," Twin Towers and everything.

Anyway, Patrick, I myself do not advocate revisionism. I was a little drunk when I posted, but reading back over it, Disney has a lot in common with George Lucas. They have more money than they know what to do with, and they're not very intelligent. At least, that's what I gathered from all these straight-to-video sequels we've been seeing. Cinderella II? I thought the phrase "Happily Ever After" used to mean something. I guess not when there's money to be made.

Of course, I still plan to buy the Gargoyles DVD. An evil empire can occasionally do something right.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 10:29:44 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

HofE><<It's just that with revisionism running rampant in today's liberal society, these thoughts are always at the back of my mind.>> Heeheehee... Mmmm, revisionism. Possibly my favorite subject ever. You sound like someone who'd enjoy a good debate too... unfortunately, I think my 55 minutes are running short, or we could have some laughs.

Greg><<The Weirdest News Story Ever...>> Having just barely edged out the previous champion, "Man Loses Face at Party"

*Exits screaming Wierd Al's "Everything You Know Is Wrong" at the top of his lungs*
V
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 04:51:54 PM
IP: 204.239.156.9

Hideeho, chummers... Glad to see the old stomping grounds are still here. Hopefully we'll have internet soon, and then I can get back in here for real. Till then, greetings from the not-very-snowy-at-all North...

Sweet dreams, and try not to burn the place down...
Gunjack "Teppo Jutsu" Valentine
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 04:44:48 PM
IP: 204.239.156.9

How would Disney change "The Mirror" to remove the WTC? They'd have to totally re-animate major chuncks of it. I think anyone who thinks its wrong to show historical footage of the Twin Towers needs to have their head examined. I remember reading a scary little book called "1984" where editting history was accepted practice. I think it's MORE disrespectful to be cutting footage and pretending as if the buildings never existed.

63 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 12:37:03 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

I doubt Disney will change it. No real reason, and it would cost too much money.
Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 01:18:34 AM
IP: 162.84.164.187

I just saw the episode "The Mirror" on Toon Disney, and a thought occured to me. Within this episode, there is a scene where Demona takes Puck to the top of one of the World Trade Centers. This is where the thought struck.

First of all, I don't know what Disney plans to do in the future. I'm going to buy the Season One DVD like everyone else, to hopefully, among other things, persuade them to release Season Two. If they do put the other episodes of Gargoyles on DVD, I really hope they don't revise them, a la George Lucas, and take out the World Trade Centers. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being paranoid. But I think I have every right to be, due to the whole Star Wars DVD debacle (Gunguns at the celebration on Endor? Curse you, George Lucas!). Oh, and then there's that bullshit involving the 20th Anniversary Edition of ET. God forbid they should be holding guns. I mean, they are government agents, and therefore receive guns as standard issue. It's just that with revisionism running rampant in today's liberal society, these thoughts are always at the back of my mind. Here's a link to an article with a different perspective. It's kind of outdated, but I still enjoyed it.

http://www.seanbaby.com/news/terrorism.htm
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 01:06:50 AM
IP: 68.65.42.130

The Weirdest News Story Ever...

Man Mistakenly Cuts Off Penis, Dog Eats It
- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../od_nm/penis_dc

Greg Bishansky
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 12:13:08 AM
IP: 162.84.164.187

HoE> <<I'm deeply honored>>: Maybe you shouldn't be, what with the depths to which newbies can go.

Happy birthday Patrick.
<<When I'm... Sixty-four>>: The Beatles sure liked a good square.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, October 4, 2004 10:28:43 PM
IP: 68.38.28.143

Tharos: <Rhetorical, eh? EIGHT!>

I have a feeling you and I are going to be friends, Tharos. You want to see my new chainsaw and hockey mask? ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA , USA
Monday, October 4, 2004 10:14:32 PM
IP: 68.65.42.130

Happy 30th Patrick. Ten years before you hit the big FOUR 'O'! ;)
Greg Bishansky
Monday, October 4, 2004 09:03:49 PM
IP: 162.84.164.187

Good thought -- bad timing -- 11th(1st out)
silvadel
Monday, October 4, 2004 05:06:35 PM
IP: 24.225.200.151

10.
Leo
Monday, October 4, 2004 04:45:54 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

To channel Josh, in a color opposite to his,
Nein.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, October 4, 2004 04:20:32 PM
IP: 68.38.28.143

Rhetorical, eh? EIGHT!
Tharos
Monday, October 4, 2004 02:46:56 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139

Lucky 7!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, October 4, 2004 02:13:30 PM
IP: 65.127.114.171

Top 10!! #6
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, October 4, 2004 12:54:55 PM
IP: 161.31.67.128

Mambo Number Five!

Re-posting this because of the wipe...

I woke up this morning and suddenly I was a year older than I was yesterday. Birthdays are funny that way. And then I looked at the DVD countdown... so let's all sing along with the Quarrymen now...

When I get older losing my hair
many years from now
will you still be sending me a valentine,
birthday greeting, bottle of wine
If I'd been out till quarter to three
would you lock the door
Will you still need me
Will you still feed me
When I'm...

Sixty-four days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Monday, October 4, 2004 12:34:55 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

4th in the name of the fay!

>^,,^<
Mooncat
Monday, October 4, 2004 12:09:38 PM
IP: 68.102.17.133

WOOOT! Third!

Dezi
Monday, October 4, 2004 11:58:38 AM
IP: 68.57.196.146

Second.

*grabes spacie and dances* Party for patrick... even if he's asleep!
Revel
Monday, October 4, 2004 11:04:52 AM
IP: 68.119.237.207

:::Release thrirty balloons:::

:::Brings in thirty cupcakes, thrity bottles of beer, thrity slcies of pizza,thirty bottles of Dr Pepper, and Thirty bottles of diet Dr Pepper and thirty bottles of Zima:::

Party time

Happy Birthday Patrick

Now for some entertainment. :::Summons Osprey to perform:::

Spacebabie
Monday, October 4, 2004 11:02:58 AM
IP: 12.78.66.171