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Krista> If you find the site addy for Castle Mirrorbane let me know, k? I'm interested in online things I really am. Grar.
DPH> Not a clue. Hazard a guess and say you?
Draconis Mk IV - [blackheart_renegade@hotmail.com]
UK Monday, October 25, 2004 12:12:56 PM
IP: 83.100.155.223
Hi everybody. I'd like to read the director's cut version of Buccaneer (Timedancer season 1), but it seems the link is dead. Somebody know what I can do ?
Thanks
Kyp - [azerty083@hotmail.com]
Douai, France
Monday, October 25, 2004 11:44:57 AM
IP: 82.252.89.104
Patrick - You have me somewhat beat. <any air travel would require arriving at the airport a minimum of 24 hours prior to departure.> I completely disagree with this premise. Only stored luggage would need to be checked in 24 hours in advance. Depending on what carry-in items you have, it could be a 2 hour wait. <your monthly water bill would increase by a factor of ten> So those of us in rural areas are getting short-changed in terms of clean water when new treatment plants are set-up because the new treatment plants don't go far enough? <but it would mean the portion of your paycheck that goes to federal income taxes would approach 50%> The buck stops when it gets 25% to federal income taxes. When the federal income tax rate for everybody has to pass 25% to make those changes, at that point, yes, I believe something has to give. Along the same lines, when the sales tax breaks even with 10% and keeping climbing, things need to be re-examined. Why is that the most efficient spenders of money are local governments?
**CSI Comments**
Ok, after seeing the show, I just have one question: how much money do those folks end up spending to solve one crime? Yes, I'm serious. How much money would they spend to solve a crime of who stole, let's say, $10,000, from a person leaving a casino? Is the cost of solving the crime greater than the amount of money stolen?
Yes, that leaves me with a contradiction between my logical side (cost benefit analysis of investigating a crime) and my emotional side (justice must ALWAYS be served, no matter the cost).
I've wondered about the CSI team being exceptionals vs being norms. After seeing a repeat episode from season 1 where Grissom's team goes behind an arson investigator, . . . I'm still at a loss. Clearly, the arson investigator didn't do a good enough job because he missed something. Is normal being thorough and open-minded or is it only the exceptional who do a very thorough job and start the investigation open-minded? Which type do I want working in my government? My logical side demands the thorough and efficient (not necessarily open-minded) in order to keep costs down, while my emotional side demands the open-minded and thorough person.
**END CSI Comments**
So yes, I have a list of priorities in terms of security. #1 is obviously military pay raises. #2 has to be having the means to rapidly create antedotes and vaccines. Everything else is optional. For example, in terms of long range activities, in order to have space colonies, we have to be working on ways to create self-sufficient habitats.
Please, a brief 10 minute visit into space isn't sufficient. If I wanted to (and had the means), I would rather stay up there for 24 hours at a time. Which begs the question of when can we expect to have the 1st space hotel? It would have to be almost completely automated, just to cut down on requirements, but it would be cool. If you didn't know, there is already an underwater hotel (kinda freaky, but safer than a space hotel)
Here's some D'Uh headlines:
1)Election '04 Hinges on Turnout
2)Home PCs not as protected as owners think
Apparantly, George Bush isn't the only one with problems with geography: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=757&e=10&u=/ap/20041024/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_texas_stop
Hmm, it seems as though the world's 1st computer is only 65,000 times faster than my pc, as opposed to being 36,000 times faster a few months ago. The new world's fastest computer is supposed to rent for $11,000 per month.
The irony: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&ncid=753&e=4&u=/ap/20041025/ap_on_sc/people_schwarzenegger
The governor of California has a hydrogen-powered Hummer that gets 10-13 miles per galloon while a regular gasoline powered Hummer gets 15 miles per galloon.
I wonder if this is going to be one of the last 10 posts made before the room is wiped.
BTW, who made the longest 1st post from this tgs cr right after the wipe and when was it?
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, October 25, 2004 04:49:13 AM
IP: 67.14.195.49
Fire Storm> <<Each one filled with the wine from one of the 7 mystically empowered regions of the planet>>: The red or the white?
<<Each one filled with the wine from one of the 7 mystically empowered regions of the planet>>: And a... hand made (think Mike's LH) candle on the other side.
<<you may ask any question of them>>: Except how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop. They've never come to a satisfying conclusion. Probably because some salivate more than others.
<<You can call them on the new moon and the full moon>>: Though occainsonally on the gibbous, just because it starts like gibbering.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:41:45 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89
Krista: Yeah. Wal-Mart, Target, or any place that stocks DVDs. Oh, and thank you. To which comment are you referring?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Sunday, October 24, 2004 09:45:19 PM
IP: 205.188.116.143
Sorry. I forgot the effects. The last one was me and u shant hear from me again tonight i promise.
Krista
Sunday, October 24, 2004 08:57:42 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201
Raputtin: Online? Yes. Castle Mirrorbane. I forget the site address tho. Sry.
Anonymous
Sunday, October 24, 2004 08:56:56 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201
Harvester of the Eyes: Thanks a lot! But... is there any chance it'll be in Walmart or Target, or some place like that? Because I've never heard of those places... By the way, nice comment. LOL.
Krista
Sunday, October 24, 2004 08:55:35 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201
does anyone know any gargoyle clans still ou there?
RAPUTTIN
Sunday, October 24, 2004 07:31:43 PM
IP: 69.111.116.97
Kyp: <Could anybody tell me how I can contact the tgs team ? I've tried the mail tgs_info@yahoo.com but I receive a stat of non-delivery. This adress is no more in use?>
Well, first you need to set up wards to protect you while you draw the sacred circle using the blood of a virgin goat, then you need to take one sip out of each of the 7 Cups of Calling (Each one filled with the wine from one of the 7 mystically empowered regions of the planet (check the internet for winerys)).
You then sit in the middle of the circle, sandlewood incense on your right, bamboo incense on your left, while you chew on a 1" square piece of peyote. After meditating for about half an hour, allow your head to fall and your eyes to close. You will know when to open your eyes when the time comes. When you open your eyes, They will appear before you, and you may ask any question of them.
The only problem is that the moon isn't in the right phase tonight. (You can call them on the new moon and the full moon). Luckily, the full moon on the 27th is the Hunters Moon, so that is definately the best time of the whole year to call upon them.
Or, you know, wait in here. One of them will say hi to you. Whichever works.
Fire Storm
Sunday, October 24, 2004 04:38:35 PM
IP: 65.114.91.3
Could anybody tell me how I can contact the tgs team ? I've tried the mail tgs_info@yahoo.com but I receive a stat of non-delivery. This adress is no more in use ?
Kyp - [azerty083@hotmail.com]
Douai, France
Sunday, October 24, 2004 03:28:57 PM
IP: 82.252.89.104
Whitbourne> <<but that in the end, it's either "oversight" or "animation error">>: I vote option 3, the skyline looked too cluttered and they had to get rid of something.
Patrick> <<Perhaps whoever was in charge of the background designs for that episode thought that the Twin Towers would eventually outlive their usefulness>>: I heard somewhere that they had an expected life of 26 years.
HoE> <<sax, if that's what you're into>>: I must support my own.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, October 24, 2004 02:30:04 AM
IP: 68.83.187.89
I don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but the cover for the DVD has been posted on this site:
http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2255&Nav=Yes
And it looks awesome!
Tharos
Sunday, October 24, 2004 12:52:45 AM
IP: 165.190.89.139
Ed: I agree. Having been involved in production before, I know how long preproduction can take, especially storyboarding. If it wasn't planned, then the producers and animators were incompetant for not realizing the Towers were gone from the boards. Of course, this could just be a frightening coincidence. History's full of them.
Gside: "A Passion Play" and "Warchild" both contain a great deal of sax, if that's what you're into.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:00:26 PM
IP: 64.12.116.137
I'm glad to see this comment room is stil alive and kicking after nearly 7 years of being on-line. Most sites that I went to 7 years ago aren't on-line anymore. i'm glad this one still is.
Brian Thietje - [thietje@aol.com]
Naches, WA, U.S.A.
Saturday, October 23, 2004 07:33:09 PM
IP: 198.81.26.48
Perhaps whoever was in charge of the background designs for that episode thought that the Twin Towers would eventually outlive their usefulness and go the way of the Seattle Kingdome, so they wouldn't be around in 50 years. Or perhaps the animators just made a goof.
45 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Saturday, October 23, 2004 04:22:13 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45
Whitbourne: Well the prophecy angle only works in-universe of course, but I don't think the out-universe explanation is necessarily an animation error. It may have been in the script. If it wasn't, I'd have thought there's a strong chance it would have been storyboarded, since it's a fairly big reveal.
Ed
Saturday, October 23, 2004 02:03:18 PM
IP: 131.111.236.129
The question is not "did Puck know?", the question is "did the animators know?" since they were the ones who drew the scene. Since there's no way that could be, I think that it's a neat slip-up, but that in the end, it's either "oversight" or "animation error".
Whitbourne
Saturday, October 23, 2004 07:37:17 AM
IP: 142.177.159.160
HoE> That's just downright uncanny, the absence of the towers. Perhaps he was a good guesser or something but realistically in a 'holocaust' setting it's likely the towers would have gone anyway, simply due to their size. Sad but true.
*shudders*
Draconis Mk IV
UK Saturday, October 23, 2004 07:14:46 AM
IP: 83.100.141.101
I apologize for posting the same thing twice. I'm currently using a slower computer, and the first time I checked the comment room, I didn't find my first post. So I assumed that it hadn't gone through. My mistake.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:28:07 AM
IP: 152.163.100.137
Patrick: I meant that that you didn't seem to add a countdown when you posted on Thursday.
By the way, here's an interesting tidbit. I was chatting with Demona Taina the other night, and she told me something interesting about the episode "Future Tense." In the first act, when Goliath, Elisa, Angela, and Bronx initially return to Manhattan, there is an image of the city skyline. The World Trade Centers should be visible in this image, but they're not. They're gone. "Future Tense" is my favorite episode of Gargoyles. I know it's an unoriginal choice, but I can't help it. It's too good. It's a collection of hackneyed scifi cliches that should not work, but for some reason, they do. The episode reminds me of a story by Philip K. Dick, one of the greatest science fiction writers ever. Are there any other admirers of his work in the fandom?
Anyway, point is, with it being my favorite episode, I've seen it many times. And I never noticed the Towers being gone. Until Tainia pointed it out to me. As she said, the episode was released in 1996, it takes place forty years in the future (in Goliath's mind), and the World Trade Centers aren't there. Needless to say, it gave me chills when I opened the episode on my hard drive, and watched that for myself. If anyone has the episode saved on their computer, or VHS, or whatever, it's in the first act. The image is a long shot of the city right before Angela tells Goliath: "This is the world you wanted me to see?" Pay attention to the positions of the Brooklyn Bridge and Statue of Liberty. Everything is where it should be, except for the Towers. Either Puck was a very good guesser, or he really was precognitive. Was it a dream, or a prophecy?
That was a good pickup on Demona Taina's part.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:26:18 AM
IP: 152.163.100.137
DPH> <<I find presidents, too often, spend virtually all their time working on 1-2 major things and virtually ignore everything elese>>: That's mostly because if you're going to put pressure on congress to get something through, you need to get their constituents to want it. And constituents (aka the public) can only thing about one or two big things at once before they start ignoring everything else.
<<Increase wages and benefits>>: And who'll pay for that?
HoE> <<emphasizing guitars, keyboards, and synthesizers>>: No sax? Disappointing.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Friday, October 22, 2004 11:34:48 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89
Patrick: What I meant was that you did not seem to give a countdown for Thursday.
By the way, I was chatting with Demona Taina the other night, and she told me something very interesting. In the Gargoyles episode "Future Tense" (released in 1996, mind you), at the beginning, we are given an image of the Manhattan skyline, and given what we're seeing (the Statue of Liberty is in the left of the frame), the World Trade Centers should be visible. But they're not. They're gone. "Future Tense" is my favorite Gargoyles episode. Not an original choice, I know. But it's just so cool. It was a collection of science fiction cliches that should not have worked, but for some reason, it did. The whole episode reminds me of something by Philip K. Dick, one of the greatest scifi writers ever. Any other admirers of his work in the fandom? (I would say Dick lovers, but that would sound weird; it's too bad he had that name).
Anyway, the point is, I had seen that episode many times. And never once noticed the Twin Towers were not there. So while I was still chatting with Taina, I found the episode in my files and opened it. And sure enough, they should be there, and they're not. Puck was either a very good guesser, or else he was something more. Was it a dream, or a prophecy?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Friday, October 22, 2004 10:31:53 PM
IP: 205.188.116.143
Harvester > Patience, grasshopper.
Christine > I think DPH meant someone intentionally poisoning the water supply. Fish, birds, and other small animals die in lakes, rivers, and streams all the time. People have gone down with ships in the Great Lakes and have never been heard from again. But the existing water treatment facilities of cities like Detroit, Chicago, and Cleveland have somehow been able to cope. Nature takes care of a lot of it before the water even reaches an intake.
46 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Friday, October 22, 2004 01:00:55 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153
Patrick > I do believe DPH is referring to what happens when a suicidal person drowns him/herself and decomposes in a reservoir that feeds a city. Stephen King used something similar in "Dreamcatcher." And "contaminated dead guy in the water supply" was in Cabin Fever, too.
Christine
Friday, October 22, 2004 11:56:18 AM
IP: 67.136.147.198
Patrick: What, no countdown?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Friday, October 22, 2004 12:35:23 AM
IP: 69.174.23.52
Krista: You can buy the DVD either online or in a store such as Best Buy or Suncoast. The important thing is that you buy it the day it comes out: December 7th. The goal is that in doing so, we can convince Disney there is a still a market for "Gargoyles", and hopefully this will get them to release the later seasons on DVD. But, do as thou will and as thou please.
Tharos: There's a few things by Jethro Tull you might want to consider checking out. "Aqualung" is probably the best album to start with. My own personal favorites are "Thick as a Brick" and "A Passion Play," the two most progressive things they've done. I definitely recommend those three. If you like those, then I also recommend "Minstrel in the Gallery," "Songs From the Wood," and "Broadsword and the Beast." "Broadsword" is particularly interesting. It's like symphonic modern rock (emphasizing guitars, keyboards, and synthesizers), and the content of the lyrics is more or less ancient beliefs and ideals applied to the modern world. I would say it's my favorite after "Thick as a Brick" and "A Passion Play." I'm doing my best to keep this list small, but it's kind of tough for me, since I have 17 of their albums. I could talk about Tull for hours if I let myself, so I won't.
Anyway, I do plan on checking out Rhapsody. Thanks for the input.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Friday, October 22, 2004 12:32:58 AM
IP: 69.174.23.52
DPH > I think you meant "one homocidal person" or perhaps "one genocidal person."
Suppose I told you that you could have all those things you asked for -- airtight shelters, hyper-secure airports, water treatment plants that can remove any contaminant -- but it would mean the portion of your paycheck that goes to federal income taxes would approach 50%, your monthly water bill would increase by a factor of ten, and any air travel would require arriving at the airport a minimum of 24 hours prior to departure. Would you still want them?
The reality of the matter is that nothing is free. It all comes down to a matter of how much money, personal liberty, and convenience we want to give up for the sake of security.
Patrick
Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:22:45 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45
Tharos - We haven't gotten into flames yet, trust me, we have a long way to go.
1st, it's long overdue that I write a nice review on Amazon.com of Gargoyles Season 1 so I'm going to do that now. Just finished writing my review, bringing the total up to 83.
Todd - If (a very strong if) a season 5 of Pendragon starts being worked on, rest assured Ed and you will be consulted. Funny, I just checked the current episode page, and it shows "Carbonek Part 3" being listed as the last episode.
**Presidential politics**
Based on GXB's comment "And funny enough, I'd still trust you to be Commander in Chief over George W. Bush.", I thought I would explain how would do things differently.
1st, I'm not a fan of using a single blow to wipe out my opponents in any game. I prefer my opponents to die the death of a thousand knives.
What does this mean in terms of politics? I find presidents, too often, spend virtually all their time working on 1-2 major things and virtually ignore everything elese.
I would prefer to have no 'major' must-have items and have something along the lines of getting majority of said items through are 'must-have' without naming any one thing as necessary. Then appoint several people who sincerely and utterly care about getting one specific item on my agenda accomplished and let them run the ball with it, with my office standing by to offer assistance to get any specific item accomplished. Divide-and-conquer so that anybody who does want me to succeed will find it harder to block several different items. [Sorry, that's the way I feel about Congress. Too often, members of Congress don't want the president to succeed, regardless of what it costs.]
I would rather the success or failure of a president be measured by whether or not the people are better off by the president's actions [as opposed to how much of the president's agenda was accomplished] and I do NOT count government doing more for people as a measure of the people being better off.
**End Presidential Politics**
I do believe we need to build the size of the army back up WITHOUT a draft. How so? Increase wages and benefits.
**Security related**
Along the same lines, I believe we should work extremely diligantly toward a goal of increasing our capacity to rapaidly and safely produce vaccinees and cures for any biological attack. This means that if the US was attacked with a previously unknown communicable disease and was somehow given the instructions for making the antedote, we could respond within 24 hours with a large quantity of antedote ready to hand out.
Also, I believe we should look into building safe places for people to be able to live for extended periods of time in the event of wide-spread biological attack. These would be air-tight structures that completely recycle water and air.
Also, like it or not, there is no feasible way of keeping large reserves of water safe for drinking. Water treatment plants need to be set up so that, even if water was contimated from its source, it would leave clean.
Sorry, all it takes is one suicidal person to wipe out an entire community by poisoning the water supply.
Also, we need even tighter security in airports, to the point of making an airport terminal airtight. Literally, everything gets screened before and after leaving an airport terminal. Sorry, if I wanted to kill as many people as possible with a biological agent, I would attack an airport first.
**END SECURITY RELATED**
Microshaft did it again. I was using Excel 2003 and the help became . . a whole magnitude less usefull than with the previous version. Then they take a semi-user friendly stuff (the window that pops up whenever you select to insert a function) and shrink down into a small box.
Just a random thought I had on Wednesday. What's the odds of somebody consisently experiencing the opposite of utopia (it's impossible for him/her to succeed at anything)? Multiply that by the number of people currently living and convince me there isn't at least somebody currently living who is experiencing the opposite of utopia? Also, consider the probablity of somebody who literally can't fail. Multiple that by the number of people living and convince there isn't somebody who literally can't fail. If these two hypothetical people exist, how many degrees of separation would be between them?
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:08:43 PM
IP: 67.14.195.33
DPH> <<Who is heck is DBH?>>: You, doubly voiced.
Krista> <<Could anyone tell me where we can buy the DVD of the first season when it comes out?>>: You mean besides Amazon?
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:05:42 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89
Wow! It's been a long time sense I've been in here. Could anyone tell me where we can buy the DVD of the first season when it comes out?
Krista
Thursday, October 21, 2004 09:00:42 PM
IP: 68.116.254.201
DPH - What Ed is referring to is that "Return to Avalon" is still listed as "Current Episode" for TGS: Pendragon.
I read Lynati's report on the current status of TGS, including the bit about how, if enough people who are interested sign up, they could do a Season Five of "Pendragon" after all. If this does happen (though I have the suspicion that it won't), I'd like the TGS staff to inform me; if the series gets revived, I'd like to return to it. (I certainly think that it'd be a good idea to have somebody aboard the revamped version who worked on the earlier four seasons, so that there won't be the danger of this hypothetical Season Five of "Pendragon" comparing to the first four seasons like the Goliath Chronicles to the first two seasons of "Gargoyles".)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, October 21, 2004 07:45:35 PM
IP: 63.186.0.27
DPH> My keyboard went typo happy again. Let us kill it. *kills*
Draconis Mk IV
UK Thursday, October 21, 2004 06:00:47 PM
IP: 83.100.141.101
GXB - I apologize for getting your political affliation confused.
I really hadn't stopped to consider the Libertarian party's stance on the war.
Taleweaver - <A better question to ask is "Which do you prefer a secure Iraq or a democratic Iraq?'> That question implies we could live with another dictator in charge of Iraq, but yes, it is much smarter question to ask. For the record, my answer has to be a democratic Iraq. To allow a dictator to seize power over Iraq after the US military freed the Iraqi citizens would truely mean that all the people who died/are dying in the conflict would have died in vain.
Ed - Explain further?
Revel - <Patrick posted a vote they had cast and 4 people were in favore, but unless people take the time to look up who they are anonymous, people are lazy.> Unless said candidate is running for re-election. If the people involved were running for re-election, that vote would become important.
Draconis Mk IV - <DBH> Who is heck is DBH?
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, October 21, 2004 05:41:54 PM
IP: 67.14.195.47
ed: Good point!
Damien
Thursday, October 21, 2004 01:11:44 PM
IP: 205.250.244.212
Um... why is the 'current episode' page 22 episodes behind? ;)
Ed
Thursday, October 21, 2004 08:58:19 AM
IP: 131.111.236.129
Wow, a whole political debate and I had no clue....
My job as an official "media liberal" (heh, yeah) has now begun. Its awesome!!!! And Spanish!(but whatever!)
Last nite I got to see REM for the third time. Yeah, no one cares, but dude, I got to meet all three of them, and got this really really old REM shirt signed by them. This is one of the markers that is like the pinical of my existence. I drove home feeling kinda high.
Anyway, keep in mind that this is INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA. I don't think you can get in to much more of a conservative close minded place here, without being from somewhere in Texas. (I'm languishing, btw). Stipe took the stage with a pro Kerry shirt, had all of us who were registered to vote raise our hands with the lights on so we could see each other, and went off on "the current administration" at one point while we all screamed, chanted Kerry! Kerry! and one dude flipped him a double bird. But, on the other hand, it felt really good to be in a place where few were beating the Bush drum.
Ok, off to school now. REM weeeeee!
Dezi
Thursday, October 21, 2004 08:48:19 AM
IP: 68.57.196.146
HoE> <<How'd this happen, by the way?>>: This place can make some interesting turns. Part of its charm.
And otherwise, I need sleep.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:59:13 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89
HoE:> I haven't listened to much Jethro Tull stuff - but I do like what they're all about. They were major progressive rock pioneers.
I'm trying so hard not to get political right now, but since my room mate is a Poly-sci major, I get quite enough, and I don't like seeing the room get so hostile. Although I did almost go to a John Kerry rally yesterday (Because Bon Jovi was there! Then again, he's a sellout bitch, so I decided against it... although I would like to see someone who was once considered "hair metal" live, just so I could say I did.)
Wooh! Yankees are getting dominated! This series is making my campus so crazy at night; it's so much fun. I haven't followed baseball for years, but it's so great to hear people screaming obscenities out their windows when I go outside.
Tharos
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:05:12 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139
Polls are now open to choose the 2005 Anthology Theme. Go and vote!
kathy
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 08:00:01 PM
IP: 66.82.9.92
HoE> Bad me. Will post review soon. Tomorrow. I promise.
Thank god I live in the UK now...I really don't care for voting...if I could I'd sooner vote my left shoe into power than Bush or Kerry. Hence I don't bother voting. Politics annoys me.
Draconis Mk IV
UK Wednesday, October 20, 2004 06:57:04 PM
IP: 213.249.184.9
huh... I'm Coyote.... that fits.... (though some days I'm closer to Loki ):-)
Damien
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 05:04:36 PM
IP: 205.250.244.212
Don't mean to change the subject, guys, though maybe someone should before this degenerates into name-calling. I just went to amazon.com, and as of today, "Gargoyles: Season One" has 81 reviews. That's only 19 away from the target number. Is there anyone here who hasn't posted a review?
I'm with Demona Taina on this one. Anything to grab the attention of the Disney execs.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 03:48:48 PM
IP: 69.174.23.52
DPH> First of all, I'm not a liberal, I'm a Libertarian. I am very much a Fiscal *Conservative*, so don't make stupid statements like that.
But since we're on the subject of name calling, if I'm a liberal, than you're just a stupid dumbass. And funny enough, I'd still trust you to be Commander in Chief over George W. Bush.
Real post later, as there are many replies. But I will say one thing, in any other job if someone fucked things up as badly as George W. Bush fucked up being President, they'd have been fired long ago. I for one will be casting my vote to fire him come November 2nd.
And hey, we've finally energised the CR too :)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 02:06:34 PM
IP: 141.155.154.200
So much for surfing in here from CNN.com to escape the political cockfighting for a moment. And to think we haven't even begun to touch on domestic policy yet.
Re: Osama - "He's a six-foot tall Arab on dialysis. How hard can that be to find? Just look for the guy attached to his luggage." - Robin Williams
Re: the Army - Joining the military and being surprised when they want you to go off and fight a war is like joining the fire department and being surprised that they occassionally expect you to go into a burning building.
48 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:40:34 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153
As long as we're imagining, why not imagine a world where we didn't piss away 1000+ and counting of our men and women in uniform, billions of dollars, and the international goodwill we garnered after 9/11 on an immoral, illegal, and pointless war?
If recruitment goals are being met, that makes we wonder if A, the goals have been lowered, B, they're counting the people who're being re-upped against their will, or C, the economy has gotten so bad that that the poor kids who make up the majority of our rank and file have absolutely no other options.
You hear Iraq referred to a lot in the media as a quagmire. That’s only because you can’t say the word “cluster-f**k” on network TV. We’re so screwed in Iraq it doesn’t matter who wins, because there is no way to win the war, militarily speaking, no way to win the peace, politically speaking, and no viable exit strategy. We can either stay, and pour troops and money we don’t have down a hole for a decade before giving up, or we can cut and run, leaving Iraq a smoking ruin fought over by various Islamic Fundamentalist groups, and a local populace with genuine anti-American grievances for terrorists to recruit from. Meanwhile, our troops are under-trained, poorly equipped (remember kids, in the U.S. military, equipment is chosen less on merit than on how much it’s manufacturer doled out in campaign contributions) and spread way too thin.
It’s all going to come crashing down whoever’s in charge, but give me the guy who at least, even in hindsight, understands that kicking the hornet’s nest was a mistake.
(I blame the boomers for all this. Having all the TV shows from the 70s come back as bad movies was one thing, but I draw the line at remaking Vietnam)
Aaron
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:33:44 PM
IP: 66.139.49.253
Oops, I made a stupid typo, I meant to say I'm /not/ trying to pick a fight. I feel silly.
Taleweaver>> It's not like we knew we were ignorant. Bush honestly thought he had them. Or at least considered the possibility strong enough to warrant a threat. He was wrong. That's why I said we didn't know, because we thought the wrong thing. And at any rate, congress saw the same evidence Bush did. if there was room for doubt (which there was), Congress should have seen it too. Oh, and all politicians speak in definites. Would anyone have even considered confronting Sadaam if Bush said, "By the way, I something the other day that suggested Iraq might be developing illeagal weaponry. Someone ought to look into that." Anyway, my point was that by the time we knew the truth, it was too late and no amount of I told you so's is going to change that.
Mecord
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:20:06 PM
IP: 207.224.216.57
Harvester> Welcome to the TGS comment room. Please deposit you sanity in the provided recepticle.
Kathy> I love that scene from Casablanca too. I use it often, but unfortunately nothing right now applies. My support for the still looking for Osama argument is tempered by the fact that he's been on the lam for three years since 2001 and five years before he was on the public's radar when he was bombing battleships and Kenyan embassies. If the US can't find one man in that time what will be different in the next year or the next five? Though my wife and I have a bet going on if there will be an October surprise. She thinks Osama will be captured by Halloween, ever the skeptic I'm taking her on.
Mecord> On the topic of WMD, I don't think an appeal to ignorance works here. Bush misrepresented the facts. That robs him of any defense of 'I didn't know'. Bush didn't say we think there are WMDs or we suspect they are here, here and here. He said they *do* have them. He *will* use them. That certainty sinks the argument. Bush didn't present his case the UN and the American people as opinion or speculation. He presented it as facts, facts to be acted upon. That makes him culpable.
on the point of terrorism over there instead of here, I don't see how that logic holds up. Seven years passed between the first attacks on the WTC and 9/11. By that logic, our antiterrorism measures in the interim were adequate upto 9/10 because there hadn't been another attack on US soil. Greg's has a point that nothing in Iraq has directly made the US safer. It's just as likely that Iraq provides a perfect training ground for offensives all around the world including the US.
Well there are my two cents. Boy, this is going to get expensive by the end of the week.
Taleweaver
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:01:06 PM
IP: 209.179.168.53
Hi.
I've been a fan of the gargoyles show since it first came out when I was ten(almost eleven years now);). I love the fanfics ou've got on this site, and just got done reading the "When the next episode will be released FAQ". If you're looking for some one to write or edit, I'd love to help. You can find some of my short stories in the library of sorceressandswordsman.com. thres not much there yet, but it will give you an idea of what I can do. Even if there's nothing you need me for, you have my roaring moral support.
Muse - [rose_garden22@yahoo.ca]
Windsor, Canada
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:24:04 AM
IP: 204.225.7.15
GregX > Just for the sake of discussion what makes you think they've given up looking for Osama Bin Laden? Is it because its not in the media? The guy is hiding somewhere and that requires the use of stealth and intelligence not Geraldo Rivera and his film crew. That kind of stuff doesn't get talked about, it just gets done, quietly so as not to tip off the person being looked for. The guy does have friends who may be protecting him. But he'll show up eventually (if he's not dead already) and he'll be caught).
As for the backdoor draft thing... how to put this? It's the United States Military, not Meals on Wheels or some other volunteer organization that you can drop into and out of at any time. Soldiers know they can be called up and/or have their hitches extended if the situation warrents.
I find it kind of irritating when they interview a soldier (or his or her family) and they're shocked! shocked! to find out they actually have to go someplace dangerous. To an extent that's probably having a minor impact on recruiting numbers (as it should, the army is not supposed to be a gov't trade school despite what the ads say.)
As for recruiting numbers... Nearly all the service brances active and reserve have met their recruiting numbers for fiscal 2004. We are in a shooting war and people are continuing to sign up. Imagine what would happen if the media was actually behind Operation Iraqi Freedom instead of running it down at every turn.
By the way, if you want to do something for a soldier and why not? They are our friends, our family members and members of our communities, why not make a donation to OperationAC.com, your local chapter of the VFW, or leave a note at operationdearabbey.net? It only takes a little bit of your time and effort and it means a lot to someone far from home.
::Looks around. Hey! Where'd that soapbox come from? Gets off of it and drops two cents::
kathy
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:08:50 AM
IP: 66.82.9.82
How'd this happen, by the way? One minute, we're discussing progressive metal music and finding out what trickster we are, and then BAM! It's political.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:05:29 AM
IP: 69.174.23.52
Bottom line is: if we pull out of Iraq, some other country will step in and take over. Chances are the Iraqi people will miss us when that happens.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:01:43 AM
IP: 69.174.23.52
Hmm... Lots of traffic for a tuesday when it took most of Monday to break the top ten. It must be a political debate. Its either that or the 'Demona: Evil or Misunderstood?' argument. Maybe we should have that after the election.
DPH> In response to your first question, I'd posit (because I'm neither an expert nor have any solid evidence to back me up) that a lot of the hammer and nail work is contracted to Iraqi. The problems occur on the levels up. Like finding management and distributors willing and trustworthy to handle expensive material and money. You can go anywhere in the world and find ten guys willing to work a solid eight for a good days pay. But it takes more to find someone to drive $20,000 worth of building supplies and not have the truck, blown up, hijacked or just disappear to be sold on the black market. The security makes that job 20 times worst. Much of the lawlessness is criminal not political. Say you make $500 a week putting up drywall. You've got money to feed your family. Now you have to worry about thieves coming after you. When you have to factor in security for ever contract, things not only get expensive quickly, but the actual work that gets done drops dramatically.
As for the Fox poll, I think it asks the wrong question for an incomplete picture. There has been a lot of talk about winning the war, but no one has stepped forward and said what winning the war entails. A year ago, the notion of winning the war was a banner saying 'Mission Accomplished', three months ago the notion was handing over soverignty, now the notion is the January election or some other vague point with no specifics. I suspect that the administration will always keep pushing the finishing line back as long as support of the troops keeps people from casting a critical eye on the administration.
A better question to ask is "Which do you prefer a secure Iraq or a democratic Iraq?'
I'll end things here. I welcome spirited debate. Lets keep things flame-free. I expect a clean fight, no hitting below the belt and mind the bell. Alright! Lets Fight!
*ding* *ding*
Taleweaver
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:57:25 AM
IP: 209.179.168.36
DPH- actually it's not so political suicide to vote for a draft, Patrick posted a vote they had cast and 4 people were in favore, but unless people take the time to look up who they are anonymous, people are lazy. You think the president can't call for a draft and have it done? Oh ye who does not pay attention to history. You know we are not suppose to go to war by presidential order either. But every conflict following WW 2 we have.
Ironwolf- Yes kerry said he was goign to create commando divisions, now is this smaller thna a full division? I don't know, no listing for that. where is he goign to get the man power? Supposedly aliies help the burden of troops, more come home and can opt for commando training. Since you can't draft a commando. Most likely he's pulling it out of his bum and nothing will get made since he's got to try and fix our nice smeared reputation first.
Also understand that if Kerry is elected that both houses of congress are still in republican control so for at least 2 years nothing will get done.
I really don't like either of them. Kerry seems like and idealist and wants to please everyone, which is damn near impossible, creating the flip flop. Where Bush is the total opposite and is in his own fantasy world and wants to do what ever he pleases.
Revel
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:55:40 AM
IP: 68.119.237.207
I don't know why I'm suddenly posting again. Normally I just watch these things from the sidelines. But there's been a few things said that I want to throw in a couple of pennies on.
DPH> <ending the Iraq war or winning the Iraq war> At this point, leaving Iraq would be more detrimental than if we had never shown up in the first place, so I don't know why people are even considering it.
Greg> <One way or another, Iraq will be in a civil war sometime within the next decade> well, technically they already are in a civil war. They have their own government now, so the "insurgents" are fighting their own as well as U.S. troops.
<we now know had no WMDs> well, yeah, we know that now. But not then. If anything, the mistakes were made long before the war when we were dealing with the U.N. If the U.N. had treated the Iraq situation seriously from the begining and maintained the inspections and checkups since the last gulf war, then we wouldn't have had the posturing we saw just before the war. Once the posturing and the threats were made the war was inevitable, because if we had backed down it would be like we were inviting further attacks. Of course, this is all debatable. What if's can be argued endlessly. That's just what I remember thinking at the time.
<Or Iran? They're developing nuclear weapons> I think you just answered your own question. If they already have nuclear capability, or even if there's a good possibility, then we can't just barge in there, guns blazing. With Iraq, they thought he might be gathering materials for development, but no one believed he really had any nuclear capabilities. He would have already used them, or at least threatened to.
<Bush censored over twenty pages of the 9/11 report about the Saudis> well, we are at war, a high degree of confidentiality and secrecy must be maintained, not only for us, but for any political allies we have overseas. I bet some of the reason Bush gets so upset in debates is that there's a lot he just can't talk about.
<as long as we are, terrorism is going to get worse> you're right, and this is also one of the tough ethical questions. Yes there is more terrorism now then before the war. But look where it's taking place. All the terrorism is focused in Iraq. Where is it not? on U.S. soil. Everyone, ally and enemy, is focused on Iraq. The terrorists are so concerned about attacking our troops, that they don't have the time or man power to invade the U.S. again. At least, i think that's what Bush and his administration are hoping. But then the ethical question. Is it right to push our problems into another country? I dunno. the way things have played out I think this is more of a benefit than an alterior motive from the start. But we're there. We can't change that. The next question is how do we fix the mess we started?
Anyway, I've ranted long enough on this. I'm trying to pick a fight with anyone, this is just my opinion and it probably just as riddled with holes as anyone elses. But as I said, i felt like throwing in my two cents, so take it for what it's worth.
Later,
*engages lurking field*
Mecord
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:44:08 AM
IP: 207.224.216.57
Hello everyone. I just wanted to say how much I really enjoy the stories. I really hope I get to read the rest of TimeDancer (It's the first one I have finished) I really wish I could help but a writter or artist I am not :( Anyway I know you probably get a lot of praise, well here is some more. I am having a blast, and I hope to see it keep going for years to come. I am hoping with the release of the DVD there will be a big rush back to Gargoyles.
Thanks for the ride, and look forward to the rest.
Electroinc Scavenger - [e_scavenger@hotmail.com]
Newton, NC, USA
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:40:57 AM
IP: 207.4.128.189
2 quick points on the draft and iraq
1 there are alot of people in iraq that support what america is doing. esp the female population. Dont let the media fool you they will pass over 1000 pro war supporters in iraq to get the 10 protesters.
2 draft it was kerry not bush who said he was going to create 2new reg. Where is kerry going to get the soliders for these 2new reg? Kerry said this in the debate look it up on the transcripts. If any one is going to push for a draft it would have to be kerry to support he war reform.
ironwolf
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 08:16:45 AM
IP: 167.1.129.100
DPH> Good point. If Kerry gets in then the Middle East problems lose the British side of things. And vice versa is Blair is taken out of power himself. Funny old world.
Draconis Mk IV
Uk Wednesday, October 20, 2004 04:24:04 AM
IP: 213.249.184.9
GXB - <We can't just leave Iraq. We can't leave Afghanastan. > Wait a minute. Did I just hear a liberal admitting that we can't leave Iraq or Afganistan yet? There is a big chunk of Kerry's base that absolutely wants America to get out Iraq **yesterday**. Please tell me that Kerry won't leave either Afganistan or Iraq before the respective governments can take of things on their own. Please tell me which governments would suddenly committ to sending troops into Iraq if Kerry was elected.
Remember: Even if Bush wanted a draft (which he has publically said he's against), what member of Congress is going to vote for a military draft? That's political suicide for whichever members of Congress vote for it, especially in the House of Representatives.
Which party brought up the issue of the d-r-a-f-t? The Democrats.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 04:02:21 AM
IP: 67.14.195.34
DPH> Well, he could definetly push for it. All I know is that Kerry won't for a first term because it would be political suicide. Bush with nothing to lose just terrifies me.
And don't change the subject over to a couple of dumbass Democrats, we are talking about *Bush* and the draft.
What I am going to say next will anger some people, but I am just as much of a Patriot as anyone else. But I'm a realist first. I'm not some pacifist either, I support the War on Terror. I just wish Bush did.
And that poll by Fox "ABout ending the war or winning the war" is just the kind of bullshit I would expect from them. Yeah, it'd be ideal to win the war, but let me let you in on a little secret. We're not going to. One way or another, Iraq will be in a civil war sometime within the next decade. The people attacking our troops there aren't all terrorists, they are Iraqi citizens who don't want us in their country. The entire region doesn't want us there, and as long as we are, terrorism is going to get worse.
Do you know who does want us there? Do you know who is really happy about the United States occupying Iraq? Osama bin Laden, that's who. Osama and Saddam were bitter rivals as well, we took out Saddam (who wasn't a threat to us and we now know had no WMDs (I've been saying that since Day One though)), and Osama has the perfect vehicle to recruit new members into al Qaeda. Bush says we've captured or killed 75% of al Qaeda, yes that's true. But there are plenty of pissed off Arabs joining up to more than adequetly replenish the ranks. I think Osama bin Laden is a piece of shit, and I hope we capture or kill him very soon, but we have to face reality, in the Arab world, he's their Robert E. Lee. He's a spiritual figure... yes, it's sick, but these people despise us. Bush should have kept up the hunt for al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden instead of sidetracking us on a sovereign country run by an evil bastard who was no threat to us. Why didn't we go after Kim Jong Il? He's crazy, he hates us, he has WMDs. Or Iran? They're developing nuclear weapons, they have proven Al Qaeda ties, they hate us, they're part of the Axis of Evil. Or the Kings of Terror Saudi Arabia... arguably the most evil regime since Nazi Germany... they have ties to Al Qaeda, were just as extreme as the Taliban, fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers were from there... hell, Bush censored over twenty pages of the 9/11 report about the Saudis... just what was in those pages anyway?
Fact of the matter is that we can't win this war. Bush himself admitted that before the debates in a candid interview... just once before he fell back into his "we will win/we are winning" rhetoric.
Here are some sources for that one btw
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/30/politics/main639576.shtml
http://www.sfexaminer.com/article/index.cfm/i/083104b_bush
Ask for more and I'll find them.
But what if we need another one of Bush's "pre-emptive" wars? Where are we going to get the man power? We can't just leave Iraq. We can't leave Afghanastan. Enlistment is way down, we are spread so thin. What if Iran hits us tomorrow? Where are we going to get the man power?
If anything, we are in more danger today because of Bush's actions in Iraq. He took his eyes off the real targets, or just willfully ignored them. I hold him accountable, because as Chief Executive of the United States, the buck stops with him. Even President Reagan knew when to admit a mistake.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 03:00:13 AM
IP: 141.155.154.200
GXB - Do I need to remind you that the President can not order a draft? It takes the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate to pass a bill to authorize a draft. I believe within the past 3 months, the Senate Republican leadership let a bill get to the floor that a **DEMOCRAT** introduced to reinstate the draft. The bill prompted failed to pass with said **DEMOCRAT** who proposed it voting against it.
Besides, I thought the war-haters would be happy that the army is spread thin because this means Bush can't go to war anymore until troops are withdrawn.
The US army is training Iraqi citizens to take over the operations going on so that the US military can eventually leave Iraq in control of a stable government.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 02:21:04 AM
IP: 67.14.195.34
DPH> <<Why did Kerry supporters lie about a new draft being started by Bush? Quoting voting records is great, but deliberate lying is not.>>
Because it's not a lie. The army is spread way, way way thin. There are not enough troops in Iraq to keep order. There already is a backdoor draft in affect, extending people's tours of duties by months, hell I met a soldier a couple weeks ago who was there for over year, his four years are supposed to eb up, and they're sending him back.
Enlistment is way low. Several generals in the Pentagon are saying that they need a lot more people. Just where is Bush going to get these people? I'll tell you where, a draft. With a second term, he can do what ever he likes, include pushing a draft, cause he doesn't have to worry about running for a third term.
So basically it boils down to this. They need a lot more people, enlistment is way down, people are dying and being injured there. Military is spread way too thin. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. And hey, Bush hasn't told the truth about anything to do with Iraq so far? Why should we expect him to break that trend.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 01:55:43 AM
IP: 141.155.154.200
Mecord> <<find out which trickster you are>>: I managed to get Robin. Seemed like I had too many tech answers, though.
Draconis> <<Rhapsody, Dream Theatre....hmm....what next?>>: Deep Purple? Warren Zevon? Buckwheat Zydeco?
DPH> <<why are companies recruiting from the US to do the work instead of hiring out-of-work Iraqi citizens?>>: Because the HR people aren't going anywhere near there.
<<destroying an enemy's headquarters, at best, creates temporary chaos and any equipment that is destroyed can be replaced/repaired>>: Yes, but while the chaos is ensuing and while they are repairing their vehicles, you do other mean nasty things to them.
<<the most usefull aircraft is helicopters which can hover in place to provide transport, easy cover fire>>: Maybe, but as we learned in Vietnam, they also tell them exactly where we are.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:56:36 AM
IP: 68.83.187.89
TV emits distress signal: <-- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=6&u=/nm/20041019/od_nm/odd_television_dc
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:49:15 PM
IP: 67.14.195.21
Gside- "Tell'em who's their daddy."
Revel
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:49:01 PM
IP: 68.119.237.207
**WARNING: INCOMING QUESTIONS/RANTS**
Question #1:Given how bad the unemployment situation is in Iraq, why are companies recruiting from the US to do the work instead of hiring out-of-work Iraqi citizens? I'm not talking about the military end of things, but instead the work that involves actual rebuilding of Iraq.
Before you think this is a rant against Bush, I wouldn't bet on things changing if Kerry take over.
Question #2: This is a purely logical question. What good does it really do to destroy an enemy's HQ? Or destroy their unarmed vehicles? Really, destroying an enemy's headquarters, at best, creates temporary chaos and any equipment that is destroyed can be replaced/repaired. Destroying civilian vehicles does no good because the enemy can just acquire money. Yes, airpower is required to win the war, but beyond that, the most usefull aircraft is helicopters which can hover in place to provide transport, easy cover fire.
Yes, tanks, airplanes, helicopters, and other armored vehicles are needed to win the war, but ultimately, winning/maintaining the peace requires basic grunts outside of armored vehicles. Yes, adding a web-cam to everybody's basic uniform to allow for monitoring of where everybody's going helps, but that creates a new problem: how to keep the enemy from from being able to intercept those video images.
**END INCOMING QUESTIONS/RANTS**
I'm getting nervous about the election. Why? Apparantly both sides think fraud might go on. Why do I say that? I got a nice mail saying that the Republican party was adding extra people to work in the precints in my county. Really, are things that bad? I mean, sheesh. Unless the voter registration numbers have significantly changed since the primary election, I can't see more than 5 people per minute in my small precint WITHOUT getting nearly 100% turnout. Meanwhile, there's early voting in my state so hopefully that will cut down the number of people who show up on election day. Sheesh. Next thing you know there will cameras set up at every precint to record what happens during the entire day at the local precint. Or worse, democrats protesting that some precints are actually located . . at churches, thereby discouraging atheists from voting. Really, the only thing that bothers me is how the maps for the precints are drawn. Yes, I'm dead serious about that. Some of the maps showing where people have to go to vote really don't make sense and seriously need to be revisited.
This is stupid: a new FOX poll asked which was more important: ending the Iraq war or winning the Iraq war. In the poll, the country was evenly divded. 72% of the people who want to win it are Bush supports. 64% of the people who want to end it are Kerry supporters. Let me guess: (almost) everybody who was against going to war in the 1st place now wants us to get out ASAP even if it means losing the war. Please explain to me why losing is an option. Whether you're a republican or a democrat, it shouldn't matter about letting our armed forces lose a war.
Why did Kerry supporters lie about a new draft being started by Bush? Quoting voting records is great, but deliberate lying is not.
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:46:19 PM
IP: 67.14.195.21
By the way, Jethro Tull also serves as the origin for my e-mail address. "Minstrel in the Gallery," another album worth mentioning.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:30:42 PM
IP: 69.174.23.52
According to the test, I am Robin Goodfellow. But of course, my description is only a third accurate. I do love the night, and I'm never intentionally cruel when I joke with people. But that's about as accurate as it gets.
Tharos: Well, I suppose I should try for three out of three. Tell me, do you like Jethro Tull? They've done just about everything possible since they formed in 1968, but there is some great epic/fantasy material. The most noteworthy albums in that vein are "A Passion Play," "Songs From The Wood," and "Broadsword and the Beast."
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:29:29 PM
IP: 69.174.23.52
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Las Vegas, NV, July 29 - August 1 2005
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 06:45:25 PM
IP: 66.82.9.68
Mecord: Well that was an interesting quiz. It turns out I'm the Anansi type. Heh!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 02:32:20 PM
IP: 65.127.114.90
Mecord> Nifty quiz link. I turn out to be Loki. Meh.
My word we're finding all the fans of everything here this week aren't we folks...Rhapsody, Dream Theatre....hmm....what next?
Draconis Mk IV
UK Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:26:08 PM
IP: 213.249.240.176
Here's a fun quiz to find out which trickster you are. Several of them are familiar, but theres a couple that might be new.
http://www.isleofdreams.net/trickstertest.html
oh, yeah, I'M LOKI!! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Mecord - [<- click me!]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:11:18 PM
IP: 207.224.216.57
HoE: I'd also recommend "Symphony of Enchanted Lands," my personal favorite overall. And oh wow. You know Dream Theater? I was just watching one of their DVDs last night. Half the reason I made it into school for music was practicing DT's stuff. Although I thought Six Degrees and the new one (Train of Thought) were pretty bad. Too much metal, not enough melody - it seems they're more concerned with time changes and insane technical skill than they are with songs these days. Images and Words, and A Change of Seasons - that's where the real DT is.
Wow. This is starting to freak me out. I never meet Dream Theater fans, let alone Rhapsody ones.
Tharos
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:10:03 AM
IP: 165.190.89.139
Hoe> I'd recommend starting with Symphony of the Enchanted Lands vol. 1 if you want to listen to the albums in a somewhat chronological order as they do tell a story though if you want an album purely to hear their talent and skill then The Power of Dragonflame or Symphony of Enchanted Lands vol. 2 are pretty good albums for examples. I'd say Symphony of the Enchanted Lands vol. 1. You really want to get the storyline. It's good.
DBH> I am dancing, dancing like a monkey. You told me to dance. Looking forward to new stuff already.
Draconis Mk IV
UK Tuesday, October 19, 2004 07:44:19 AM
IP: 213.249.240.176
Yes, I want to be quoted this time, and if you can think of a better words to convey the same message, I don't mind.
The tgs current episode page has been updated to include a link of what's up with TGS: http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/TGS-FAQ.html
DPH
AR, USA
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 04:33:54 AM
IP: 67.14.195.14
Tharos: First, the Simpsons and now Rush? You're fast becoming my new best friend. I saw Rush as well back in August. What's even more amazing is that despite their age, they still put on a great show. In fact, they played a great many classic songs, songs which would be a strain on most musicians. Amazing concert. Truly amazing.
<As for Rhapsody's music...Epic Symphonic power metal pretty much covers it.> Sounds a lot like Dream Theater, in which case I have a feeling I might like them. I don't know how well you know Dream Theater, but if you like Rush, chances are you might like them. They were influenced by Rush a great deal. The drummer enjoys spontaneous moments of blinding fast drum fill, in the style of Neil Peart, and the lead singer sounds like a mix of two parts James Hetfield and one part Geddy Lee. I thought progressive rock was dead, but the album "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" (released by DT in 2002) convinced me otherwise. By the way, and this is a general announcement to the fandom, anyone who likes Rhapsody: if someone were looking to learn more about the group, what Rhapsody album would you recommend starting with?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Monday, October 18, 2004 11:31:54 PM
IP: 69.174.23.52
Fire Storm, don't read the next line if you haven't had a chance to see the miniseries yet.
D'Argo is dead; long live D'Argo.
Revel> <<You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave>>: Never said I was leaving.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, October 18, 2004 11:15:17 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89
Draconis: First of all, I'm retarded because I put your name in for the name on my last post. Sometimes I'm tired. And yeah, I have Luca Turilli's "King of the Nordic Twilight." Actually, I know the guitar part for Black Dragon - I freaking love that song. The only one I need is Legendary Tales.
Harvester: There's a Rush fan here and I didn't know? Sweet - I saw them in June, they're all amazing musicians. As for Rhapsody's music... Epic Symphonic Power metal pretty much covers it. It's all classically styled (baroque and cinematic), their first five albums were "The Emerald Sword Saga," a huge fantasy storyline that their music was about. And it ruled. The power in their music is just incredible. Um... they're from Italy, and they're incredibly cheesy. But I'm a big fan of fantasy metal, and I consider them the best at it (tied with Symphony X, I guess). That's all I can think of to say about them. www.mightyrhapsody.com, hit it up. And if you do the downloading thing, check out "Emerald Sword," "The Dark Tower of Abyss," and "Dargor, Shadowlord of the Black Mountain." That should give you a good idea of what they're all about. My name here actually comes from a character in their story.
Tharos
Monday, October 18, 2004 08:30:46 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139
ninth!!! first day work!!! yeah!
Dezi
Monday, October 18, 2004 08:18:27 PM
IP: 68.57.196.146
9th!
Leo
Monday, October 18, 2004 08:17:25 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236
Draconis: I find that Rush is also good mood-setting music for fantasy-related things. Especially songs such as "Xanadu" or "By-Tor and the Snow Dog." I'm hesitant to say "2112," because that's the one everyone knows. But that rocks as well. Then of course there's the Pink Floyd album "Meddle."
Seriously, what kind of music is Rhapsody known for? Sounds like they might be worth checking out.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Monday, October 18, 2004 07:53:46 PM
IP: 69.174.23.52
7th! Yeah!
Taleweaver
Monday, October 18, 2004 05:40:12 PM
IP: 209.179.168.54
6th.
Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, October 18, 2004 05:22:41 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89
Five (five (five)) senses come alive. Five nations unite... unite as one.
Five beyond the stars align. Zues to Ra, the final sign.
Tharos
Monday, October 18, 2004 01:59:29 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139
#4 Forever!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, October 18, 2004 01:36:19 PM
IP: 65.127.114.96
Third. Hoo-ah.
Roll on December 7th. Let's just hope the UK is sensible and follows the US on this one.
Draconis Mk IV
Monday, October 18, 2004 12:47:54 PM
IP: 213.249.240.176
Second!
The problem is all inside your head she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be...
Fifty days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Monday, October 18, 2004 12:30:33 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153
First!
Ed
Monday, October 18, 2004 11:58:08 AM
IP: 131.111.236.129