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Vinnie :: That's because the "old timers" of this CR know that flame baiting is against comment room policy.

(Oh dear God in Heaven, I'm posting. Look what you've done, Vinnie, you made me post.)

Shinigami
Monday, December 6, 2004 10:02:49 AM
IP: 205.188.116.137

One day to go and boy are we excited over at G2005 HQ! Check out the website for all details, but here's a few quickie highlights:

The Tee Shirt Contest is now open! We're looking for a simple, yet bold design. So all you closet graphic artists - this is your chance to shine. March 1st is the deadline, so start sketching!

The Gathering Shop is Open!
This is the place to get great merchandise and support the Gathering! Right now we're featuring our puzzle "The Poker Party" which we can (postal service willing) promise December 23rd delivery if you purchase by December 9th.

We've also got music to put you in a ring a ding ding, holiday mood. "Christmas with the Rat Pack" featuring Frank, Dean and Sammy features holiday favorites with a Vegas beat.

And of course we can't forget tomorrow's the day to Spike Amazon with your purchase of "Gargoyles Season 1"!

Any purchase you make through a G2005 link goes to support the Gathering of the Gargoyles. So please think of us and click through the site before you get Mom that new waffle iron or Dad his subscription to SI at Amazon. Thanks!

We've opened up The Strip over on the Forum. A place to meet other Gathering-bound fans, to vacation plan, just shoot the breeze or get involved with one of our games like the new ROUND ROBIN or SCAVENGER HUNT hosted by our own Kelly Raptor. Come join in the fun!

And last, but certainly not least - get a preview of all the Gathering offers by taking a peak of our list of panels, seminars and activities. We're still looking for hosts and ideas, so if you'd like to get in on the act email us at staff@gargoyles-fans.org.

Whew! That's it for now. Only hours to go before the spell is broken and they live again!
kathy - [staff@gargoyles-fans.org]
Las Vegas
Monday, December 6, 2004 09:41:32 AM
IP: 66.82.9.17

:: peeks back in ::

Was that almost an admission that this whole thing was a trollish plea for attention?

Nah, couldn't have been. No one's that stupid.

:: gets back to work ::
Patrick
Monday, December 6, 2004 07:50:51 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

1 more day until Season one of Gargoyles comes to DVD this December 7, 2004!

HOE:<No offense, but I've been comparing countdowns, and Patrick is better at it. That's just a simple fact.> Only one person is still whining, I thought there would still be more. Oh well, the whiners were ameturish anyway, I thought the whiners would be better but they just can't come up with any good insult. Not even Jen!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, December 6, 2004 06:50:40 AM
IP: 64.112.202.29

:: Puck shoves Demona into the room ::

D: "Why do _I_ have to do this?!?"

P: "You're the only redhead I could find."

D: "This dress looks just awful on me, I hope you know."

P: "But you _always_ wear red."

D: "And why have you made my hair all frizzy?"

P: "Just sing the lines, Dee, or those cute, girlish curls are going to be the least of your worries."

D: "Fine." (takes a breath and turns to the audience) "The DVD comes tomorrow. Get yourself a copy, and tomorrow you'll have fun. Tomorrow, tomorrow! I love ya, tomorrow! You're only a day away!"

P: (golf claps) "1 day left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!"

:: both bow and exit ::
Patrick
Monday, December 6, 2004 06:47:33 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Gunjack - Then you admit that something I've believed for a long time: All news is censorship. It's all a matter of somebody deciding which stories are 'important' enough to be heard. That's why I believe the internet potentially 'solves' the problem of censorship in news, provided somebody is ultimately willing to pay to keep those news stories published. <Or how the dollar is dropping like a rock in a cement kimono versus the Euro?> It comes from the lack of economic conservatives around. A certain amount of US debt is good, but I think we've passed that mark a while back. Foreign aid is a small part of the budget, it's time to cut back on things that aren't 'essential'. <You guys heard about the 30-some-thousand instances of vote fraud turning up since the election?> Lain told me about that. I really wish I had something to say except what she told me sounds like INCOMPETENCE. In the hypothetical situation where all my registered voters had voted, I would call my local election commission's office to get permission to shut down most of the operations of my precint. Futhermore, at that point, I might as well stay continously on the telephone with the election commission's office since I would have to verify that everybody not listed in my books could vote at my precint. I believe in the necessity of a NATIONAL database of registered voters, for the sole purpose of avoiding duplicate entries across precints as well as keeping the dead AND convicted felons off the list of registered voters. In my listing of registered voters, sadly, there was at least one (no more than 5) duplicate entries for the same person to vote twice.

Green Baron - <Kucinich..well he is funny as he looks like a diseased elf and the idea of a Department of Peace makes me want to give him a copy of 1984 just so he can rethink that notion.> and yet the technology to implement the controls the government had in the book "1984" already exist. < Instead of objective, how about "biased in your favour"?> Yes, all news is biased, but which biasis is the best? Is completely distrustfull of everything that is said the best biasis? <It seems every choice there is some shade of wrong.> That's the problem. We don't want a choice of the lesser of evils because evil still wins.

Gunjack - George Tenent's quote - Yes and no. We need some means of reigning the spammers and the virus makers in WITHOUT anybody being able to control it all. I like the idea of holding internet service providers responsible for spam and virii coming OUT of their system. If you send out more than x amount of messages per hour, the companies have to check you out to make sure you're neither spamming nor spreading a computer virus. Simple as that. Terminate internet accounts for customers who will NOT solve the virus problems on their computer. No government oversite needed, just let us be able to sue the internet service providers who don't block spammers or stop virii from spreading. Next thing is holding software companies (aka Microshaft) for security flaws in their software.

Patrick - <I've always felt that charity begins at home... and I believe that even more so now the more I watch the news and see the level of regard a good part of the rest of the world has for America these days.> I hope you realize that the amount of money the government spends on 'foreign aid' is relatively drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the budget. I remember that was true a few years ago, but with the war in Iraq/Afganistan, is that still true? But you're right, the money we gave to fight AIDS in Africa isn't really about humanitarian aid, it's about bribery of certain governments and a means of trying to shut up the bleeding part liberals.

Whitbourne - You know what. I'm really sick of hearing appeals for money to help people overseas. It's not because I'm uncaring; rather, I'm extremely annoyed how willing US citizens are to help people overseas and how stingy they are to help their fellow US citizens. That company that moved 500+ jobs overseas shouldn't even bother giving money to US charity. Yes, I believe strongly in corporate responsibility. If your company moves its plant overseas because too many regulations with regard to treating the environment, then that company has no business donating any money to environmental causes. There are jobs that need to be shipped overseas - anything involving unskilled labor is fair game. Everything else we need to keep.

This week is final exams. Joy. Tuesday, I go before the water board to try to do something about the giantic water bill facing me because of a stupid leak.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, December 6, 2004 04:34:14 AM
IP: 67.14.195.8

Damn. Well, the Day of the Ninja has been and gone, but here's the link with HTTP.
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Monday, December 6, 2004 12:52:25 AM
IP: 69.175.64.201

HoE> <<But everyone else can click on the link>>: You need the leading http:// for linking to work right.

Gunjack> <<but we only just recently found out where to get it>>: a.scarywater.net for unlicensed archives, bakaupdates for everything new, and links to groups still doing licensed stuff.
<<Seen that yet?>>: Nope, haven't been going for a broad selection much, just now Naruto, One Piece, Yakitate Japan, Detective Academy Q (when someone actually releases something), Prince of Tennis, Bleach, 2x2 Shinobuden (but I've been deleting that after watching), and Great Detectives Poirot and Marple (out of morbid curiosity).
<<Scared me there>>: Sorry, but I had to share my pain.
<<Hey, we still gotta finish One Piece, too>>: You do not finish One Piece. If you are not strong One Piece finishes you. And then you wait for Oda to release the next chapter. It looks like they're doing to start a good rumble next week.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, December 6, 2004 12:02:06 AM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Man, it's been an interesting world lately... You guys heard about the 30-some-thousand instances of vote fraud turning up since the election? Or how the dollar is dropping like a rock in a cement kimono versus the Euro? Or that the US military has decided that the public can't see the latest batch of prisoner abuse photos because they make the US look bad? Yessir, it's good to be alive... in Canada.

Replies.

Gside><<Seems promising, but it looks like they're going to be reusing that footage of her spinning a good bit.>> Yeah, but it's not just the reloading... it's also all the other random boobery. It manages to strike the perfect balance between depravity and innocence.
<<hough I'd have thought you'd go for Gunslinger Girls, more emphasis on the hardware.>> It's definately up there on my "want" list, but we only just recently found out where to get it, and we're in the middle of Grenadier and Monster right now. Next up, I want the rest of GitS: Second Gig. Seen that yet? Or GitS: Stand Alone Complex? Heck, or Last Exile? There's been a whole pile of good anime lately...
<<...I'd recommend Yakitate Japan.>> *Laughs* ...For a second there, I thought you were saying that was all in Gunslinger Girls. Scared me there.
...Hey, we still gotta finish One Piece, too...
<<Yes, security on a distributed network designed to keep working if a chunk of it went missing, so it's very easy to hook more bits into it.>> That sounded suspiciously like sarcasm, citizen. We have our eye on you.

Patrick><<I've always felt that charity begins at home... and I believe that even more so now the more I watch the news and see the level of regard a good part of the rest of the world has for America these days.>> I was going to reply to this, but it's not really worth it. The defensive nationalist mentality that seems to be evident in your statement disturbs me. I could argue the point at length, but I doubt it would do any good, so just... No.

<<It makes a person wonder how much aid is truly reaching the masses, and how much is ending up in a fat cat's pocket as it did in the "food for oil" program in Iraq.>> The Oil for Food scandal is laughable. Look at the allegations against Kofi Annan, and then look at any ONE of the US Government's contacts with Saddam Hussien. The current screeching about his piccadilos amount to rank hypocrisy by the people who refuse to discuss our own, far more serious crimes.

Leo><<You'll also get to meet the *famous* Josh "Imzadi" and Sevarius Jr. :-D>> ...And see some of us act like total asses. Man, that year sucked.

Baron><<Well, Dean and Badnarik are pretty pro-gun and while I am not a big gun enthusiast, I am pro-choice on guns :)>> I was down with Dean. Pissed me off pretty bad when the "liberally-biased media" bushwhacked his campaign.
<<Also, his Executive experience was Mayor of Cleveland where he bankrupted the city.>> Check what's happening to the Dollar right now. It would be very nearly impossible to do worse by the economy than has already been done.
<<The prostitutes and juicy girls are being phased out and all the Rooskie juicy girls are gone, leaving only Philipinas...I myself avoid clubs/bars as I can't dance and I hate the atmosphere in general.>> What the heck's a "juicy girl"? o.O ...Wierd name for a hoochiemama, I guess. And yeah, public centers of intoxication are creepy.
<<So what happened to Mr. all Government is Evil or do you make exceptions.>> It's all in the motivation. A mass-media system whose primary motivation is the effective desimination of info is way ahead of a system whose primary motive is gaining advertising revenue.
Assuming that loyalty devolves to the guy who signs the checks, I'd rather listen to the people I pay directly than to the people who are payed by the very interests I'm most worried about.
<<Instead of objective, how about "biased in your favour"?>> Hmm... Perhaps I should put it this way.
If we assume that objectivity doesn't exist, then I would rather choose info sources by track-record of accuracy and transparency of motivations. I want analysis, not talking-head puppets. Independent sources often have both, while major media outlets (at least in the states) rarely have either.

And then there's the little things...

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.

If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell the country for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
- John Swinton, Chief of Staff at the New York Times, speaking at the New York Press Club

<<How about another Revolution? Why not Jacobins instead of Minute Men? Washington was nowhere near as religious as Sadr and he has no desire to take power afterwards.>> Dunno if I agree about the greatness of Washington, but you get the idea. The people of Iraq believe in him.
<<Also, we don't have to be worse.>> Nope, don't buy it. The arguement that the occupation has been a net Positive for the iraqi people, even in the most detatched, pragmatic terms, doesn't stand up to the evidence I've been seeing.

Simply put, and by nearly any valid measure, I would put forward that life in Iraq is worse now than it was under Saddam.

<< If we do a thousand good things and one awful thing, what would people remember and this applies to almost anything in life.>> Care to point out any good things? I've spent four years looking, and I've found very, very little.
<<You have a point there. I just wonder what agency. The UN's Oil for Food Program has not exactly endeared the Iraqis either.>> Oh, I don't know. How many oil for food protests have there been in the streets? Which do you think the average Iraqi is more upset about; the UN oil-for-food scandal, or Abu Ghriab?
<<It seems every choice there is some shade of wrong.>> More like this:

The Corrupt will find a way inflict harm with even the most benign tools.

<<Unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, or Savage, I never thought you were evil for your view.>> Heh. I must not have been expressing myself forcefully enough. :P
<<(except that time I called you a born again bigot, but that had nothing to do with Iraq)>> Damn, what was that over? Gay Marriage? *laughs* Most people are brainwashed, not evil. There are a few, though...

<<That's emotion speaking.>> Not really. Superior civilisation fighting the destructive barbarians? Massive, interlocking propaganda? The current administration is a case study in Government and Business interests joining forces for the purpose of accrueing power and profit, which is the dictionary definition of Fascism.
<<Of course he was also a bastard who killed thosuands of people.>> ...Yeah, thanks for mentioning that last part. Well, call it Incompetent Fascism. "At least he makes the trains run on time... Oh, wait..."
<<Like how George Soros has 100 million invested in Carlyle.>> Yeah, pretty much.
<<This ahs been going on for decades, though you may not have become as aware of it until recently.>> The real bugger is finding out just how much of what I learned in my history classes is total BS. Maybe the country isn't being changed; maybe the country I believed in never actually existed, and I've only just realized it.
<<and I say a pox on both sides.>> Amen.

And I am out this piece.
Gunjack "Smoldering Genaric Rage" Valentine
Sunday, December 5, 2004 03:08:35 PM
IP: 205.250.217.92

Yea!! I'm back online because SBC **finally** fixed the static problem in my telephone line . . apparantly without even bothering to go by in person.

If it's that simple, . . . why can't it be done faster?
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, December 5, 2004 02:11:06 PM
IP: 67.14.195.23

Well, no, it's not a *fact*. Could be an opinion, or there could be elements that are demonstrably different.
Ed
Sunday, December 5, 2004 01:18:18 PM
IP: 131.111.236.130

Vinnie: No offense, but I've been comparing countdowns, and Patrick is better at it. That's just a simple fact.

In other news, December 5th is the Day of the Ninja. Today at work, I'll be delivering pizza as stealthily as I can. But everyone else can click on the link, and place an order for something else. Tha games are pretty fun, as well.

Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Sunday, December 5, 2004 12:15:17 PM
IP: 69.175.64.201

All the androids out there know that the DVD will be here in 10 days, but for those who don't count in binary...

2 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Sunday, December 5, 2004 09:11:31 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

2 more days until Season one of Gargoyles comes to DVD this December7, 2004!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Sunday, December 5, 2004 03:43:22 AM
IP: 64.112.203.75

Gunjack> I picked up Grenadier. Seems promising, but it looks like they're going to be reusing that footage of her spinning a good bit. Though I'd have thought you'd go for Gunslinger Girls, more emphasis on the hardware. And of course, if you want horrid, horrid multilingual puns (Pan d'Or -> Pandora's Box -> Many Naked Bandous with an Impotent Pele (really)) to go with your barely clothed chicks (later in the series), I'd recommend Yakitate Japan.

HoE> <>: Don't remember, wasn't in the adult chat (not sure why not). Heck, it's been so long, I forgot he had even made any mention of his car.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, December 5, 2004 01:05:50 AM
IP: 68.83.187.89

On Leo's advice, I dipped into the archives, to find some info on Impfac, and perhaps learn more about him and the award that bears his name. I barely got through the first week of May 2002 when I learned that apparently he started something in the adult chat room (at least, that was how I understood the message). I just checked there, and they did not seem to have a chat archive, unless I missed something. So I'm curious: what exactly did he do there?
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Sunday, December 5, 2004 12:46:12 AM
IP: 69.175.64.201

Grima was disgruntled because Saruman never listened, so Grima made sure that the old wizard finally got the point.
Patrick
Saturday, December 4, 2004 07:14:54 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

So Wormtongue gets him again, just as in the book. (It just goes to show that if you're an evil overlord, you need to take care not to mistreat your sidekicks too often.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 4, 2004 07:09:32 PM
IP: 4.244.18.89

TODD> Yes, it's true. Grima stabs him twice in the back, and Saruman falls off the tower and ends up spiked on the wheel, and the palantir falls out of his sleeve into the water.

It's a lot better than it sounds. The scene is very well done, lots of dialogue straight from the book, and Christopher Lee steals the show.

I recommend this set.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, December 4, 2004 06:50:04 PM
IP: 162.83.205.235

BISHANSKY - So are those rumors about Saruman winding up impaled on a spike on one of his wheels true?
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, December 4, 2004 06:47:08 PM
IP: 4.244.18.89

DPH: I hate SBC too. I just moved to a new apt, and it took them two weeks to turn the phone on! (I even called them before I moved). Then, when they told me all was good, I didn't have dial tone, nothin'. So I called them back from work, they did something from there, fixed. Get home, call my mom, my gramma, then the phone goes dead right after I hang up. Call them the next day. They send a dude out "sometime between 8 am and 7 pm." Thanks for being specific. Dude does something to the box outside, I have phone. FOR THREE DAYS. My mom calls for thanksgiving, thing rings once, and dies. An hour later it comes back, I'm able to call my mom and my dad, then bam! It's dead again. They come "fix" it. (Which means some dude saying it was fine all along, and wanting me to check my phone and such, I'm like dont you think I did that???) So it works for about three or four more days then dies again, same thing, dude "fixes it" and it worked for about three more days, and I tell them I actually have their repair number memorized. I even missed an important call from work, where I would have had to go cover an important story, got shit loads of over time, and here I am trying to INSTANT MESSAGE my boss from my Comcast cable line. heh, and SBC wanted me to switch to their DSL. Yeah freakin' right. *end rant* just wanted to vent.
But yeah, I feel your pain.

I miss Josh. He's funny.
Dezi
Saturday, December 4, 2004 05:36:40 PM
IP: 68.57.196.146

Just Got the Return of the King Extended Edition

Picked this baby up at Forbidden Planet in Union Square NYC earlier, watching it right now.

Saw it there, and wanted to be the first on my block to own it, early X-Mas gift for myself. Full review later.

Just watched "The Voice of Saruman" scene. Worth the price of the whole DVD all by itself. Why it was cut from the theactrical edition, I'll never understand.

Christopher Lee rocked.

R.I.P. Saruman
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, December 4, 2004 05:21:29 PM
IP: 162.83.205.235

HoE:<<Green Baron: Impfac awards, eh? I'd like to know more about this. Are there any examples in the Archives of Greg bestowing them?>>

I suggest you look at the CR 2002 Archive. Specifically May, June, and November. Read about IMPFAC and his vintage Buic named Dominique. See him impersonate other CR posters.

You'll also get to meet the *famous* Josh "Imzadi" and Sevarius Jr. :-D

Man, I'm bored. :-P
Leo - [<-TGS CR 2002]
Saturday, December 4, 2004 01:18:04 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Patrick: That's the best one yet. Are you gonna use that Three Dog Night song on Monday?

Green Baron: Impfac awards, eh? I'd like to know more about this. Are there any examples in the Archives of Greg bestowing them?
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Saturday, December 4, 2004 11:51:04 AM
IP: 69.175.64.201

:: pulls his weird siblings into the room ::

Luna: We sisters three have come to say
Phoebe: That in three days hence from today
Selene: The DVD is here to stay.

Puck: 3 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Saturday, December 4, 2004 08:47:26 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Due to problems with static in telephone line, I'm barely able to go online. So this is more of "I'm suffering from static in telephone" post. Stupid SBC has promised to fix my static problems with December 8, 8 pm, despite me calling on December 2 at 10pm.

*Growls teeth at SBC for not fixing problem sooner*
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, December 4, 2004 03:28:04 AM
IP: 67.14.195.13

Green Baron:<Washington was nowhere near as religious as Sadr and he has no desire to take power afterwards. I think he's also on the ballot in January.> Actually Washington was very religious, more so then President W. Bush even. And Native Americans like the Iroqouis him 'the Town Burner'. So are you sure Sadr isn't an Iraqi George Washington in the making?

Only three more days until Season one of Gargoyles comes to DVD this December 7, 2004!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Saturday, December 4, 2004 02:54:40 AM
IP: 64.112.203.185

Gunjack> <<Grenadier. Gside, have you seen it?>>: Passed by it a couple times, never actually downloaded it. I guess I'll go give it a try. Would you recommend Lunar, A-Keep, or Sonchu? I'll probably go with A-Keep.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, December 4, 2004 12:43:20 AM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Green Baron: <On the other hand, hopefully you learned something from this>.

Absolutely. Anyone who actually forgives me for this is a true friend. Also, the voice in the back of my head isn't such a little whining pussy after all. I should buy him a drink. Or better yet, fifty shots. Maybe that'll finally poison him and shut him the hell up. ( ;

Hey, what can I say? Like my favorite gargoyle, I'm a veeeery slow learner.
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Friday, December 3, 2004 12:52:49 PM
IP: 69.175.64.201

HoE> Well, I remember back in 2002, Bush promised a few billion to fight AIDS and Richard Gere made mention fo it and soon Clinton didn't do jack, which was amusing as Richard Gere said this to Billary.

<> The Secret Service does read all the mail he gets as my mother can tell you from her days in the Service, before she screwed up her life by marrying a guy "who was fun" and spawning me.

Patrick> <> Well, it's best to research any charity that you don't know about. It could also fund other less desirable stuff, like NORAID going to the IRA.

HoE> <<She also hasn't been responding to e-mails, even though I sent her a few asking her how she's doing. So, I finally decided that to get a response from her, I would send her a fake suicide note. Talk about acting before thinking.>> Yep, that was pretty awful and Greg X may give you an Impfac award for that :)

On the other hand, hopefully you learned something from this.

Gargoyles breasts> I wonder about Carbonear as Newfie girls have the best breasts ;) but I'm biased.

Gunjack<<Would never have guessed. ; ) ...I would have, but I didn't have the time. The Libertarian also looked pretty good, and both Dennis Kucinich and Howard Dean might have been passable... But I don't want them to take my guns, dangit!>> Well, Dean and Badnarik are pretty pro-gun and while I am not a big gun enthusiast, I am pro-choice on guns :)

Kucinich..well he is funny as he looks like a diseased elf and the idea of a Department of Peace makes me want to give him a copy of 1984 just so he can rethink that notion. Also, his Executive experience was Mayor of Cleveland where he bankrupted the city.

<<Term's almost up? Good luck, then. Korea as cold and prostitute-ridden as I've always heard?>> It is cold, but not as bad as Germnay or Kosovo can get. The prostitutes and juicy girls are being phased out and all the Rooskie juicy girls are gone, leaving only Philipinas...I myself avoid clubs/bars as I can't dance and I hate the atmosphere in general.

Korea is however the world's leading cellphone producer, but that is not always a good thing. I would love to see Korea in the G8 some day.

<<*Shrugs* ...When you have my views on the corperate/political system, "public funded" starts to sound a whole lot more like "objective" than "privately owned".>> So what happened to Mr. all Government is Evil or do you make exceptions. As for objective, I don't think anything whether it is Indymedia or Tech Central Station, you or me, Andrew Sullivan or Naomi "makes me want to rent from Blockbuster" Klein. Now if you prefer CBC, that's fine. It's your choice, and I imagine it has some good stuff, as I like McLoughlin Group on PBS and music on NPR. Instead of objective, how about "biased in your favour"?

<<But he's made himself into the Iraqi George Washington because we've been worse.>> How about another Revolution? Why not Jacobins instead of Minute Men? Washington was nowhere near as religious as Sadr and he has no desire to take power afterwards. I think he's also on the ballot in January. Also, we don't have to be worse. If we do a thousand good things and one awful thing, what would people remember and this applies to almost anything in life.

<<I'd be hoping that we'd stop being wrong. The international backing would be to reassure the Iraqis, and to keep us honest. It's harder to cover your wrongdoing when there's other people to see it.>> You have a point there. I just wonder what agency. The UN's Oil for Food Program has not exactly endeared the Iraqis either.

It seems every choice there is some shade of wrong.

<<Sure you have. We live though. And I think we even get to call you names back, so it's a fair trade. ; )>> Well, funny I don't hear any of that. Unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, or Savage, I never thought you were evil for your view. You generally tend to make decisions sensibly and with good reason (emotions notwithstanding), and I see you as a good person so I don't let differences in opinion make me think any less of you (except that time I called you a born again bigot, but that had nothing to do with Iraq).

<<Frankly, I feel like I'm living in late 1930s Germany, and everyone's telling me how great Der Furher is.>> That's emotion speaking. I could see a closer comparison with 1970s Chile, only Bush is no Pinochet. Pinochet improved the economy immensely and fixed Chile's Social Security system. Of course he was also a bastard who killed thosuands of people.

<<This belief is fostered by massive amounts of propaganda on both sides, which does a lot to disguise the fact that underneath the superficial issues, the candidates are IDENTICAL, and serve the exact same group of powerful interests.>> Like how George Soros has 100 million invested in Carlyle.

<<My country is being CHANGED, manipulated in highly unpleasent ways, and I don't like it.>> This ahs been going on for decades, though you may not have become as aware of it until recently. It makes me wish Oswald spared Kennedy and instead shot Johnson, whose car was coming next.

<<There's a culture war going on in America,>> and I say a pox on both sides.

Dezi> I hope you enjoyed your birthday. I'll feel better when this cold is over, plus my leg is sore for some reason and here's a comment for all the Canadian readers:

My leg was so stiff this morning, I could do the Lucien Bouchard walk :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Camp Humphreys, Korea
Friday, December 3, 2004 06:04:26 AM
IP: 61.77.43.6

Four Golfing days left until Season One of Gargoyles comes to DVD this December 7, 2004!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, December 3, 2004 04:20:05 AM
IP: 64.112.203.143

Just a note. We found the best anime EVER today. You like trigun? It's like trigun. Only, the gunslinger is a woman, not a man. A very buxom womman. A woman who reloads her revolver by making spare shells fountian from her cleavage, which she then catches with the empty cylinder. A woman who believes in conquering the enemy's spirit without fighting, usually by seducing them in a hot spring.

This anime is called Grenadier. Gside, have you seen it?
V
Friday, December 3, 2004 03:42:01 AM
IP: 205.250.217.92

Woot! I've officially been 23 for an entire day, and nothing bad has happened! (and my boss wished me feliz cumplean~os over the air of tonite's show). Weeeeeeeee!
Dezi
Friday, December 3, 2004 01:50:38 AM
IP: 68.57.196.146

:: drives through the room in a Jeep 4x4 and shouts from the window ::

4 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Friday, December 3, 2004 12:01:24 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

HoE> <<And, of course, classic Nintendo>>: Ah, the things they could do with 8 bits. That's where I have most of my cartridges, but I much more emulating in 16.

Gunjack> <<might need to be limited to those who can show they take security seriously>>: Yes, security on a distributed network designed to keep working if a chunk of it went missing, so it's very easy to hook more bits into it.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, December 2, 2004 11:06:34 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Real post later, just thought I'd pass this link along. Let's hear it for freedom, people!

""I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or accountability," he told an information-technology security conference in Washington, "but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and control... Access to networks like the World Wide Web might need to be limited to those who can show they take security seriously."

-George Tenent
Gunjack "Dodge the Fascist" Valentine - [George Tenent on the future of the internet]
Thursday, December 2, 2004 09:18:23 PM
IP: 205.250.217.92

I just did a bad thing. I have a devout Christian friend on my buddy list who I haven't seen online for six months. She also hasn't been responding to e-mails, even though I sent her a few asking her how she's doing. So, I finally decided that to get a response from her, I would send her a fake suicide note. Talk about acting before thinking. She told one of her friends, and she told God knows how many other people. So now I have to e-mail formal apologies to all of them. But on the plus side, maybe my algebra teacher was right. I should have been an actor.
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Thursday, December 2, 2004 03:41:25 PM
IP: 69.175.64.201

HoE > I'd say at least a C-cup for Elisa. Ditto for Fox. ;)

Everyone give me five!
Up high... down slow... too slow! ;)

5 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Thursday, December 2, 2004 06:46:10 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

5 days, only five more days until Season 1 of the Gargoyles DVD comes out this December7, 2004!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, December 2, 2004 03:01:52 AM
IP: 64.112.202.192

So, anyway, does anyone have any guesses about Elisa's measurements?
Harvester of Eyes
Thursday, December 2, 2004 12:18:31 AM
IP: 69.175.64.201

Gside: Well, I never lived through the 70s, but a lot of the music I like comes from that time frame. I was born in 1980, so a lot of the trends went over my head, except for Star Wars, Transformers, and other cartoons such as Thundercats. And, of course, classic Nintendo. But when I looked back, especially at the music, I regarded the 1980s as a lousy decade overall. So naturally, I enjoyed a lot of the commentary from the panel that VH1 assembled for "I Love the 80s." However, I remember the 90s very clearly, which is probably why I enjoyed that one so much. However, I agree that the formula is starting to grow tired. I'm worried that if they don't do "I Love the 60s," they might start doing "I love the 1st Quarter of 2000," or something in that vein. That would really be taking it too far.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@aol.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Thursday, December 2, 2004 12:12:59 AM
IP: 69.175.64.201

HoE> <>: By the time they get around to their third decade, it isn't quite as brilliant anymore.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 11:24:17 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Addendum...

That's not meant to imply that "Medicins Sans Frontieres" isn't a legit charity. What I meant is I've heard too much about how the system works in those countries where that money would eventually be going. Fees for this, bribes for that, a little bit of grease to keep wheels of the regime du jour spinning. It makes a person wonder how much aid is truly reaching the masses, and how much is ending up in a fat cat's pocket as it did in the "food for oil" program in Iraq.
Patrick
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 01:07:11 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Not to sound uncaring, but...

How many people in the U.S. and Canada are infected with HIV?

How many of them can't afford the medical care or drugs they need?

I've always felt that charity begins at home... and I believe that even more so now the more I watch the news and see the level of regard a good part of the rest of the world has for America these days.

I think I'd rather give to a charity where I'm relatively sure that a good portion of my donation is not going to end up in the hands of a corrupt government official in a Third World country.

Just my two cents.
Patrick
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 12:56:12 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Judas secretly desires Demona? Well, they are both traitors. There's a possibility they might hit it off, if Judas survives asking Demona out. ( ;

Whitbourne: I actually wrote a letter to the president a few months ago. I was watching. I was watching the brilliant nostalgic social commentary expose on VH1 called "I Love the 90s," which was pretty good, except I don't understand why they didn't talk about Gargoyles for 1994. Anyway, I saw this PSA during a commercial break which gave the statistics for HIV and ended with the slogan "We've Found the Weapon of Mass Destruction." I assumed the president would want to know about this, so I wrote him a letter telling him about it. I even provided the internet link that was flashed at the commercial's end. So I've already done my part to make the world a better place.

That's a true story, by the way. I really did write the president. I'm surprised a group of men in sunglasses haven't kicked my door down and taken me away for being unpatriotic.
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 10:31:18 AM
IP: 69.175.64.201

While we're on the topic of numbers, just a reminder that today is World AIDS Day. Click on the link for Medicins Sans Frontieres flash site on the sucesses and future challenges regarding AIDS treatment in Africa.

Just a few facts:

25.4 million people in sub-Saharan Africa are infected with HIV.

More than half (13.3 million) are women.

These people are unable to access or afford the drugs they need, and as a result, 2.3 million people died as a direct result of AIDS/HIV last year.

11.5 million children have been orphaned by age, and an entire generation of African young men and women has virtually disappeared, jeopardizing many already fragile economies for decades. The number of households being run by children, sometimes aged 6-7, simply because there are no adults to care for them, are growing.

We're all excited about the DVD on December 7th, but after that, why not set aside a little bit of money and donate to Medicins Sans Frontieres to help continue the fight against AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa? It doesn't have to be much - take ten dollars off the stocking stuffers you were going to buy, perhaps - but it can help make a world of difference.
Whitbourne
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 07:58:05 AM
IP: 142.177.152.109

***** TGS CR ARCHIVE UPDATE *****

The 2004 TGS CR archive has been updated to include the weeks of November 15th, 2004 through November 29th, 2004, for a total of two newly added files.

2004 Archive:
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/2004/

Framed Archive:
>> http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/cr/archive/frames.html

***** END UPDATE *****
Lady Mystic
Head Admin of TGS CR Information
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 07:32:08 AM
IP: 68.21.35.41

Good the threats have been eliminated! Six days left until Gargoyles season one comes to DVD this December Seventh!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 04:27:08 AM
IP: 64.112.203.185

Five more minutes until... I go to sleep. ;)
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 03:08:27 AM
IP: 162.83.205.235

142 hours and 30 minutes until the Gargoyles fandom gets something it has wanted for a long time.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 02:24:32 AM
IP: 67.14.195.47

It's less than a week away now.

6 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 12:03:36 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

HoE> <<in this picture, she's supposed to be the age that she reverted to when she and MacBeth entered their magical pact>>: My bad, I thought that was pulled from Dark Ages.

Vinnie> <<My dictionary say>>: Oxford goes for "a person excessively concerned with minor detail or with displaying technical knowledge"

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:15:54 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

click my name for this one:

I especially liked the part about Demona having a shrine to Fred from Scooby Doo.
Dezi - [<- hehe clickie]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:13:19 PM
IP: 68.57.196.146

**Bad news**

Eek. Really, really, really, really bad. On Saturday, my dad fixed a water leak that was caused by a clamp slipping that had tied to pipes together. That was the 27th. My water meter had previously been read on the 23rd. If there had been a leak at that time, I would have had a follow-up visit within a few days. I reported the leak on Sunday and my meter was rechecked. My water bill for the upcoming month is now over $1300 because of a leak. 1st question: Who checks their water meter daily for a leak? 2nd question: isn't there a device out there that will automatically shut off your water if you are continiously using water for 6 straight hours? That way, any leak would automatically be self-contained. When you find your water is running, you can go outside and find out that a leak was detected and your water was shut off to stop the leak.

**End bad news**

**Good news**

Monday, the dvds of TF G1 S2 Part 2 that I bought arrived. I was pleasantly suprised to get 2 cells. I always wondered what cells were, now I know.

** End Good news**

Apparantly, I was more exhausted than I realized. When I woke up, I thought it was am instead of pm. There goes my whole reference for determining what actually happenned between certain hours since I can't be sure of am vs pm.

Patrick - <skates into Station 8 and does a figure-8 while shaking a Magic 8-Ball> That was a really good one.

*leaves the cr through a portal, but the portal barely remains in tact long enough to go through.*
DPH
AR, AR
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:51:54 PM
IP: 67.14.195.17

Patrick: But "Present-Day" Demona hasn't aged since she entered into her pact back in the 11th Century. So although in that picture, Demona has been alive for over 1000 years, physically she's the same age as a 60-65 year old gargoyle (early thirties in gargoyle years). That's what I meant.

By the way, an amusing thing happened to me over Thanksgiving. When my brother and I were driving to my grandparents's house in Maryland, I played some Dream Theater for him. He couldn't stand them, saying that they reminded him of everything bad about 80s synthesizer music. I always thought my brother was smarter than me. We like a lot of the same music, so I was sure he'd identify them as a blend of groups like Metallica, Rush, and Faith no More. He compared them to Metallica and Duran Duran. I definitely have to get some of the earlier DT work. I can't let him keep this opinion.
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 08:59:53 PM
IP: 69.175.64.201

Greg:<<Click my name there. Looks like a D-Cup to me.>>

*clicks the link*
*stares*

BEEEWWBS! :-D
Leo
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 09:31:04 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Swing by the Gathering of the Gargoyles site later today for a look at the very first Gathering of the Gargoyles puzzle! Just in time for the holidays, we'll guarentee December 23rd delivery if you order by December 9th.

Also, check out the Banner Gallery. Download one (or more!) to liven up your webpage, Live Journal or email signature line and help spread the Gargoyles message

Don't forget! If you buy your copy of the DVD through the Gathering website, you support both the "Buy Amazon" campaign and the Gathering of the Gargoyles!

Just one more week to go!
kathy
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 09:15:52 AM
IP: 66.82.9.32

HoE > Actually, that picture is of present-day Demona. It's clipped from an illustration from TGS Season One, "Prophets and Angels."
Patrick
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 07:26:02 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Seven lucky days left until Garoyles season one comes to DVD this December 7, 2004! Some would call it the luckiest day of the year.

Gside:<Pedantism has nothing to do with imagination. It's just insistance on detailed correctness. There's plenty of time for it inbetween the corrections.> My dictionary say- "1. person who makes a display of his learning. 2. unimaginative adherant to the letter of a doctrine." I think that I'll stick with my own dictionary, but thank you anyway.

Todd Jensen: Personally I think Demona would just use a magic to slectively erase the mind of said person who suspected her identity. As for how Dominique Destine treats her employees...... Well there are labor laws to limit her abuses. I wonder how many lawsuits have been filed by her former and current employees because of her temper.

And just to stir up more trouble..... I'm buying my copies at Walmart. HAHAHAHAH ;)
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 05:58:03 AM
IP: 64.112.203.131

Click my name there. Looks like a D-Cup to me.
Greg Bishansky - [<---------- ::licks lips::]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 02:09:55 AM
IP: 162.83.205.235

Gside: Actually, in this picture, she's supposed to be the age that she reverted to when she and MacBeth entered their magical pact. And besides, it's easier to judge chest size in young adults, isn't it? I mean, we all know what aging does.

Anyway, I am leaning more towards the bra-less theory. Maybe stone-induced sleep provides a gargoyle with the support they need for the nighttime, when they're active. Now I know that Demona is human during the day. But, according to the "ask Greg" website, Greg Weisman has said that magic compensates for many things, which is why Demona does not lose energy from missing out on her stone sleep (according to Sevarius's theory in the episode "Metamorphosis."). Maybe the magic compensates for other things as well?

Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 02:04:13 AM
IP: 69.175.64.201

Demona's breast size? I won't touch that. At least not if I still want to have full use of my hands. But Dominique's business manner, I'm guessing is a pretty erratic. On the secret identity tip, keeping your identities separate has two provisions. 1) That you can reasonably be mistaken for your alter ego. 2) That you a hero. I know we've bantered back and forth about Demona's morality status, but I'm thinking Hunter's Moon Demona. On the first condition, consider Nightcrawler in X-men: Evolution. Whether he had the hologram or not he acted the same. Appearence counts. on the second point, demona is only interested in her company so far as what it can get her. So I don't think she'd be sweetness and light to her workers because it doesn't get her anything.
Taleweaver
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:48:27 AM
IP: 209.179.168.56

I'd think that Demona's chest measurement would be a lot more around, since she's got to have the back musculature to support those wing struts.

** From "Double Date" **
Birdie slid open Aiden's desk drawer and pulled out a framed photograph of the entire clan. "So, which one is Lex? Lemme guess. The little green guy here, the one that looks like Gollum with wings."
*****
Christine
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:47:17 AM
IP: 67.136.147.154

:: pulls out a guitar and sings like Bob Dylan ::

Seven days, seven more days it'll be comin'
I'll be waiting at the Best Buy for it to arrive
Seven more days, all I gotta do is survive...

7 days left until the spell is broken and they live again! Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:00:29 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

GSIDE> Having just watched the vid, I'd say Demona is a D-Cup.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, November 29, 2004 11:41:45 PM
IP: 162.83.205.235

Vinnie> <<I'd never call you unimaginative>>: Pedantism has nothing to do with imagination. It's just insistance on detailed correctness. There's plenty of time for it inbetween the corrections.

Greg> <<Let's discuss what bra size Demona would wear instead>>: C cup? For a good comparison, we need the Fanservice F-cup video. Goes through all the sizes up to H.

Tharos> <>: And you don't want to use Josh's Nein! Let's see, there are nine plantes, nine worlds in Norse myth. But those don't lend themselves to declarations.

Patrick> <<when she'd have to be leaving the office around 4 pm to get home before sunset>>: Or she could just be very dedicated to her work, spending all night locked in her office, working on sensitive business proposals.

HoE> <<Demona's being modest in this picture, so I can't really judge bra size>>: And she's young there, so it isn't a good representation.
<<Goddamn, my life sucks>>: Not as bad as mine.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, November 29, 2004 10:58:59 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Even before those movies came out, people have been bringing up how much Lexington resembles Gollum. I remember it being mentioned in one of Christine Morgan's fics, for example (a conversation between Aiden and Birdie, I believe).

At least they didn't have the Evil Lex in "Future Tense" saying "My precious"....
Todd Jensen
Monday, November 29, 2004 08:14:21 PM
IP: 4.245.75.231

Damn. Demona's being modest in this picture, so I can't really judge bra size. But I would have to agree with Greg on this one. I mean, gargoyles don't even wear undies, do they? If I had to guess though, I think for most of Season One, Demona looked to be about 34B or C. Tragically, I can't claim to call myself experienced in these matters, both with gargoyles and humans. Goddamn, my life sucks.

But anyway, that review from ultimatedisney.com was interesting. Lexington does bear a slight resemblance to Gollum, or I should say that's the other way around. Oh, by the way, we've all posted a rewview at Amazon, right? ( ;
Harvester of Eyes
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Monday, November 29, 2004 08:10:38 PM
IP: 69.175.64.201

I shudder to think over what might happen if Dominique and a few other people were trapped in an elevator that got stuck between floors and the sun went down before they were freed....
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 29, 2004 07:50:29 PM
IP: 4.245.75.231

I would imagine that Dominique Destine treats her hired muscle a bit differently than she does her office staff. You can't keep good employees around for very long if the work environment is hostile. They either leave to work for a competitor, or sue you, or both.

At the same time, I bet Ms. Destine doesn't put up with any monkey business during work hours, either. She strikes me as the type who'd run a pretty tight ship, and employees who don't tow the line would get weeded out pretty quickly.

Now the one detail that people might start to wonder about regarding Dominique Destine is the fact that she's never seen after dark. That can get especially obvious at this time of year, when she'd have to be leaving the office around 4 pm to get home before sunset.
Patrick
Monday, November 29, 2004 07:38:01 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Just passing this on -- it seems that the Gargoyles DVD has had a review!
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/gargoyles-season1.html
Spike
Monday, November 29, 2004 07:29:08 PM
IP: 209.30.35.168

I wonder if Demona really does act that tyrannically towards her human employees at Nightstone. While I'm certain that she's inclined to do so, at the same time, there's something to restrain her: one of the cardinal laws of having a double identity. When you have two identities, you deliberately make each persona as different as possible from the other one. That makes it less likely for someone to figure out that the two of you are the same person. (As an example, look at Batman and Bruce Wayne: nobody ever figures out that they're the same guy because Bruce Wayne is seen by practically everybody in Gotham City as a good-hearted but empty-headed playboy. Nobody would seriously consider for a moment that Bruce was capable of being a grim, focused crime-fighter who strikes terror in the hearts of even the toughest of evil-doers.) So Dominique Destine needs to restrain herself when dealing with her employees (although she still proceeded to give a real talking-to to her henchman in "Hunter's Moon Part One", right in front of Robyn).

Of course, most people aren't likely to draw a connection between Dominique Destine and Demona anyway, simply because, even after the public realizes that gargoyles exist, it would take a long while for them to accept the possibility of gargoyles being able to turn into humans. But all the same, it wouldn't hurt Ms. Destine to engage in a little restraint towards her work force. (She was certainly able to hide her true character from Macbeth in "Sanctuary" up till the wedding night.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, November 29, 2004 07:14:10 PM
IP: 4.245.75.231

12th!
Ed
Monday, November 29, 2004 06:38:12 PM
IP: 131.111.236.130

.....eleven......
Dezi the sick ........
Monday, November 29, 2004 05:40:29 PM
IP: 68.57.196.146

ten.
Gunjack "Kill the all" Valentine
Monday, November 29, 2004 04:45:49 PM
IP: 205.250.217.92

Nine.

I keep getting 9. I should really think of some phrase with the number 9 in it.
Tharos
Monday, November 29, 2004 04:13:42 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139

Eight seems to be my lucky number today. Three cheers (eight) for the Gargoyles Dvd season one!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, November 29, 2004 02:47:07 PM
IP: 64.112.203.131

Lucky Sever!
Spike
Monday, November 29, 2004 01:56:36 PM
IP: 209.30.35.168

PATRICK> <>

Maybe she doesn't wear one. All part of her strategy in the board room and an excuse to fire people. ;)
Greg Bishansky
Monday, November 29, 2004 01:02:25 PM
IP: 162.83.205.235

5th!!
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, November 29, 2004 12:56:36 PM
IP: 161.31.67.128

:: hits a golf ball through the window ::

Four!

Todd > I wonder what Demona's reaction was the first time she realized she would have to wear one for the sake of conformity and to keep the Nightstone employees from staring. ;)

Just a reminder since the room has wiped:

8 days left until the spell is broken and they live again. Gargoyles Season One comes to DVD on December 7, 2004!
Patrick
Monday, November 29, 2004 12:24:02 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153

3!
Jacob
Monday, November 29, 2004 11:56:33 AM
IP: 205.250.217.92

And I claim second.
Leo
Monday, November 29, 2004 11:49:05 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Holy Cheese I claim first!
Spacebabie
Monday, November 29, 2004 11:38:01 AM
IP: 12.78.66.31