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re: Egon Pax
huh... yet again I am forced to consider that I Probably have never seen the Goliath chronicals...

So other than his annoyance on the repitition of his name... What was the big deal?
Damien
Monday, February 7, 2005 06:05:34 AM
IP: 154.20.255.92

Please, let us not resort to name calling and ranting. Perhaps it is best if we just forget I even existed, because that episode made a 'mockery' of all my work.
Egon Pax
Monday, February 7, 2005 03:35:08 AM
IP: 64.112.202.193

I forgot to post this a few days ago, when I first learned of the passing of Dean Vernon Wormer (see enclosed link for details), so I'm going to do it now.

[raises mug of stout]

Rest in peace, Dean Wormer. And give my regards to Bluto.

[drains mug]



Gunjack: I envy you. I watched most of the Goliath Chronicles episodes, but after "A Bronx Tale," I no longer made an active attempt to do so, and would watch them only if I had nothing else to do that Saturday. So I watched "The Dying of the Light," "And Justice for All," and "To Serve Mankind" for the first time on Toon Disney. So for a very long time, I didn't know who Pax was either. Bottom line is, I'm guessing you've never seen "To Serve Mankind," and if this is the case, you should keep it that way. From the looks of things, I'd say that in the alternate Gargoyles universe the TGC staff created, the Illuminati buy their robes from the same store as the Stonecutters.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Monday, February 7, 2005 12:07:12 AM
IP: 69.175.69.12

First, a quote from Stan Lee, in regards: So there was never time to research things... For example... when I wanted Spider-Man Peter Parker to get his spider power, I said, well, he’ll be bitten by a radioactive spider. That’s as much research as I did. The Hulk, I figured, well, let’s see, he’ll be exposed to gamma bomb rays. Gamma rays…I don’t know what a gamma ray is. I haven’t had the time to look it up. But it sounded good.

Whitbourne> <<yeah, it's all air-conditioned and all that, but what's the fun of going somewhere and just staying in the hotel?>>: Showgirls.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, February 6, 2005 10:42:31 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Whitbourne: awwww. : ( Well, hopefully 2006's location will be closer to home for you, and you'll still feel inclined to come to a Gathering by then. Have fun in Newfie-central; we'll miss you both.


Oh. ...Yggdrasil, are you about at all? Any clue if you're going to make it this year? I don't think I can do Garg Bio 201 on my own...well, okay, so Greg Weisman requested to co-host as well the other day, but that hardly makes me *less* nervous. @_@
Lynati
Saturday, February 5, 2005 03:58:53 PM
IP: 69.154.240.130

some of you probably already know about this, but I just barely found out they made a Fantastic Four movie. here's the site for the trailer.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/fantastic_four/
Mecord
Saturday, February 5, 2005 10:29:47 AM
IP: 65.103.225.200

What will make it worth going for me is visiting with the friends I haven't seen since the last Gathering and seeing a city I've never been to before. I take at least one trip a year out to the west coast anyway, so the travel isn't a factor to me. I'm making the Gathering weekend part of a longer trip. With all of Vegas to explore, I'm quite sure I won't be spending all of my time there inside the hotel, either. I'll hit the big events, but my friends and I also have plans to do the "Star Trek Experience" and visit the strip.

Jeff Bennet would be a cool guest, though. He was at G2001, and I've got his, Thom, and Keith's autographs on the G2001 Calendar page of Brooklyn, Lex, and Goliath in drag. ;)

173 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Saturday, February 5, 2005 09:18:51 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Lynati> Oh, school has my brain congealed pretty well constantly. There are these occasional interruptions in flow where some stuff makes it through and other stuff gets caught in the morass, but I tend to say "meh" more often than not these days.

Stormy and I won't be at the Gathering for various reasons. First of all is money; Flying to Las vegas from Halifax is flipping expensive, and since we're trying to save up some money to move to an apartment closer to the hospitals for my clerkship next year and we're already both living off meagre scholarships and a line of credit, we have to be sort of careful. We're taking a vacation, but we're going east; this summer we're going to take a week, take the ferry from Sydney, and drive across Newfoundland with a couple of days stay in St. John's. We'd sort of like a vacation just for us, since we were both so busy this year, and we're more likely to get "alone time" in Gros Morne than in a crowded hotel in a crowded city.

Plus good god, I couldn't go to the middle of the desert in the summer. I get heatstroke just thinking about it. :-P And yeah, it's all air-conditioned and all that, but what's the fun of going somewhere and just staying in the hotel?
Whitbourne
Saturday, February 5, 2005 07:12:38 AM
IP: 142.177.159.139

Vinnie: well, you seem to have Whitbourne responding in here, which is nice, but you also seem to be causing his brain to congeal, which worries me. o.O Is there no topic you can think of which may be more fitting (or heck, just plain more interesting) for the room?

Okay, here's one. If this year's con could get Jeff Bennet- voice of everyone's favorite angsty beaked gargie- to come, would that be enough to get those on the fence about attending off of it and into the Gathering corral? Not that he's agreed to come or anything, but just hypothetically. I'm kinda wondering where people draw there line for "makes it worth going" if they don't find the mingling with friends enough of an attractant.
Lynati
Saturday, February 5, 2005 03:00:09 AM
IP: 69.154.240.130

Revel> <<There is but one EGON and his name is SPANGLER>>: Who didn't start their mold collection because of him?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Saturday, February 5, 2005 01:22:16 AM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Vinnie> Meh.
Whitbourne
Friday, February 4, 2005 07:44:28 PM
IP: 156.34.82.157

E--n P-x was from the Goliath Chronicles episode "To Serve Mankind"; he was the president of a fictional country (I forget its name, but I remember that it began with an L), who had just stopped a civil war going on there. The Illuminati wanted him dead so that the civil war could resume (they were making a fortune selling weapons to the various factions), and so kidnapped Goliath and manipulated him into attacking P-x (among the methods that they used was repeating E--n P-x's name over and over again; probably the one believable part of the episode was Goliath going after P-x in a murderous rage after being subjected to that - believable because the audience, after hearing E--n P-x's name over and over again ad nauseum, felt like doing the same thing).
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, February 4, 2005 07:39:16 PM
IP: 4.244.18.193

ok so now we know what he looks like... where is he from? What episode
Damien
Friday, February 4, 2005 04:11:41 PM
IP: 154.20.255.92

V. <<Who the hell is Egon Pax?>>

Click my name. Or copy-paste these other fine links to find out. XD :

http://www.gargoyles-fans.de/downloads/screenshots/images/70/3_70_027.JPG
http://www.gargoyles-fans.de/downloads/screenshots/images/70/3_70_050.JPG
http://www.gargoyles-fans.de/downloads/screenshots/images/70/3_70_055.JPG
Leo - [<-Egon Pax-il]
Friday, February 4, 2005 04:05:16 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Just so we're all on the same page here... Who the hell is Egon Pax?

...And we've got controversy. Lain and I, I mean. I just don't think the rest of yall are quite up to it. Believe me, controversy is over-rated.
V
Friday, February 4, 2005 02:43:56 PM
IP: 205.250.217.92

Leo: What a lovely singing voice you must have.

Todd: Okay, so it's not so much me trying to be controversial. I just wanted to see what would happen. DT informed me that that's an unwritten rule in the fandom.


Okay, time for general comments.

I just watched the Batman: TAS episode "Robin's Reckoning, Part One" with the commentary turned on. I had always liked how they came up with an artistic way to show the death of Dick Grayson's parents, but Bruce Timm and Eric Rodomski basically explained that that was because the Bureau of Standards and Practices told them they couldn't show Dick's parents falling to their deaths. They weren't even allowed to have a sound effect of their bodies striking the ground. But they both agreed (and I agree with them) that the sequence they came up with actually worked better than something graphic.

Funny how just a few years later, the production staff for Gargoyles got away with making Charles Canmore's death scene in "Hunter's Moon" appear so graphic. Well, graphic for an after-school cartoon anyway. They cut away at the last second to the reaction shot of his children, but we got both a scream of terror AND a thud of his body striking the earth.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Friday, February 4, 2005 02:09:08 PM
IP: 69.175.69.12

;) Say yes to Egon Pax! May he never be heard outside his country of origin again. ;)

Science and bias
(Quotable Quote)

At this point, it is necessary to reveal a little inside information about how scientists work, something the textbooks don't usually tell you. The fact is that scientists are not really as objective and dispassionate in their work as they would like you to think. Most scientists first get their ideas about how the world works not through rigorously logical processes but through hunches and wild guesses. As individuals they often come to believe something to be true long before they assemble the hard evidence that will convince somebody else that it is. Motivated by faith in his own ideas and a desire for acceptance by his peers, a scientist will labor for years knowing in his heart that his theory is correct but devising experiment after experiment whose results he hopes will support his position.

Boyce Rensberger, How the World Works, William Morrow, NY, 1986, pp. 17¿18.

Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Friday, February 4, 2005 02:03:56 PM
IP: 64.112.203.207

Green Baron and Hellcat>Congratulations.

:::Enters the CR bathroom with a few candles and liights them. Sets them on the counter. She stares into the mirror:::

Eeeegoooonnn Paaaaaaaaax Eeeeegooooooooonnnn Paaaaaaxxxxx
Eeeeeegoooonnnnnn Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaax!
Spacebabie Turned Evil
Friday, February 4, 2005 12:49:08 PM
IP: 69.161.157.101

Revel:<<There is but one EGON and his name is SPANGLER>>

There is no Daina, there is only Xuel.
Leo
Friday, February 4, 2005 11:54:10 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

There is but one EGON and his name is SPANGLER >:)
Revel
Friday, February 4, 2005 11:37:53 AM
IP: 68.119.237.207

Sorry, Harvester, but I don't think that E--n P-x is controversial enough for one simple reason: nobody in the Gargoyles fandom (to the best of my knowledge) can stand him. Controversies work best when you've got a more-or-less equal division in the pros camp and the cons camp.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, February 4, 2005 08:43:45 AM
IP: 4.244.18.46

:: enters with Mr. Carter and points it at Harvester's head ::

Say hello to my little friend.

174 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Patrick
Friday, February 4, 2005 06:47:47 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Green Baron: Mazel Tov!


Well, I apologize in advance for what I'm about to do, but after my latest conversation with Taina, I've just got to try this out. Besides, this CR needs a little life breathed into it, and my last attempts to spark controversy failed. So, it's time to bring out the big guns. I have just two words: EGON PAX.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Friday, February 4, 2005 12:18:35 AM
IP: 69.175.69.12

Green Baron> Congratulations.

Cat> <<Nothing gets your marriage started right like getting stuck in a non-moving traffic jam out in Death Valley on your way there>>: If you survive that, you know you're ready.

Tharos> <<it can make the macrobeat agonizingly slow>>: To paraphrase Azeem: Beat faster.

Daniel Johnson> <<My condolences>>: Thank you.
<<My sister-in-law's father passed away last month also>>: And my condolences, as well.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Thursday, February 3, 2005 10:36:26 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Daniel Johnson: [No I'm not married, but I do now have a Felis catus in addition to the preexisting Canis lupus familiaris. Does that count? ]

nono, those are your *kids*. ; )
Lynati
Thursday, February 3, 2005 10:29:16 PM
IP: 69.154.240.130

Green Baron > Congrats to you and Karen. So many weddings happening this year... it's getting hard to keep track of them.

Yesterday was February 2nd, and the media was anxiously waiting outside the White House as George W. Bush emerged. Unfortunately, he saw his shadow... so that means at least six more months without an exit strategy for Iraq.

175 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Patrick
Thursday, February 3, 2005 10:21:53 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Bleh. My sense of time can be so out of whack sometimes. A month goes by since my last post and it seems like yesterday. Of course, my last post before that was...Dec. 2002?! Is that really possible? I am so bad. :P

DPH: Sorry I didn't respond right away; a number of things distracted me including a death in the family. Fortunately, thanks to the archive I can respond now. :)

Yes I know about the DVD, and yes I bought it, but thanks anyway.

No I'm not married (where'd you here that?), but I do now have a Felis catus in addition to the preexisting Canis lupus familiaris. Does that count?

Glad to here you're still working with TGS. I'll look forward to seeing new stuff.

Oh, and happy birthday. :)

Gside: My condolences on the passing of your grandfather. My sister-in-law's father passed away last month also. He did make it to 94, so he did have a good long life.

Green Baron: Congratulations! That's great news.

OK, let's see if I can keep from disappearing again. :P
Daniel Johnson - [daniel@daniel-johnson.org]
Ocean Grove
, NJ, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2005 09:26:31 PM
IP: 141.150.78.144

Green Baron and Karen:> Congratulations!
Leo
Thursday, February 3, 2005 06:57:51 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Harvester: <<Sorry, but I still like the Strokes. There's a quality to their simple, catchy music that hearkens back to the glory days of punk (in the UK in the late 70s, when it was done right by bands like the Clash and the Sex Pistols). >>
The Strokes are good at what they do, and you're totally right about their catchy, old-school punk sound. Unfortunately I must confess to hating punk. Sorry.

Green Baron: Congratulations!

Gside: <<That's just two 6/8 measures jammed together. Easy enough when you do it in four.>> I count it in four, but it can make the macrobeat agonizingly slow, which I hate. I just like to bitch, haha.
Tharos
Thursday, February 3, 2005 03:20:15 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139

Big Congrats to the Green Baron and future Baroness!
Revel
Thursday, February 3, 2005 11:32:00 AM
IP: 68.119.237.207

July! I meant the end of July! That's it. I'm officially unallowed to post anything unti I've had at least two cups of coffee!!

Whatever you decide, please come to the Gathering. It's been way the heck too long since too many of us have seen you.
kathy
Thursday, February 3, 2005 11:21:43 AM
IP: 66.82.9.76

Congratulations! I'd like to point out from experience that the Gathering makes a good honeymoon adventure. What we did was spend a quiet week at a country cabin, then went to the 2001 Gathering in Los Angeles. Nothing gets your marriage started right like getting stuck in a non-moving traffic jam out in Death Valley on your way there. :)
Mecord's Cat
Thursday, February 3, 2005 11:10:15 AM
IP: 65.103.225.200

Congratulations to Green Baron and Karen! May you have many long and happy years together. (Have you considered a Las Vegas wedding, say the end of August? ;) )

Happy Birthday DPH!
kathy
Thursday, February 3, 2005 08:44:14 AM
IP: 66.82.9.61

Green Baron: A hardy congrats to you and I wish you many many happy years together.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2005 05:29:01 AM
IP: 64.112.202.139

Thanks Gside for remembering my birthday.

I got my DL renewed early in the morning. Late tonight, I came home with a message on my answering machine: my new glasses came in. Why not tell me earlier?
DPH
AR, USA
Thursday, February 3, 2005 02:02:32 AM
IP: 67.14.195.15

Greetings from the Great and Cold Wite North..and boy is it white!!!

On February 2, 2005, at an event celebrating the 100th birthday of Ayn Rand, I proposed to my dearest and most beloved Karen, and she accepted.. The Green Baron has found his Baroness :)

Lain> Thanks for not spoiling the surprise :)
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Corner Brook, Newfoundland, Canada
Thursday, February 3, 2005 12:29:34 AM
IP: 205.251.135.249

Heh... I kove groundhog day, and if you think about it, he was trapped for years... Not just the 34 days...

# On the DVD Harold Ramis states that the original idea was for him to live February 2nd for about 10,000 years. Later he says that Phil probably lived the same day for about 10 years.
Damien
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 11:40:48 PM
IP: 154.20.255.92

Bah! Groundhog's Day used to mean something in this town! We'd take the rat out and then we'd eat it. YER HYPOCRITES, ALL OF YA!

And besides, of course he's gonna see his shadow if all those camera crews are shining lights on him.


Tharos: Sorry, but I still like the Strokes. There's a quality to their simple, catchy music that hearkens back to the glory days of punk (in the UK in the late 70s, when it was done right by bands like the Clash and the Sex Pistols).

Lain: GB's coming out of the closet? Then he has my congratulations, as well. Society has become more accepting, but it still takes guts. Rock on, my friend.
Harvester of Eyes - [Harvester of Eyes]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 11:11:56 PM
IP: 69.175.69.12

DPH> <<Kinda appropriate, too>>: Yeah, yeah. Happy birthday.

Dezi> <<Today is also the day that if you find the little baby Jesus in the bread on 3 Kings day>>: Never heard of that one.

Tharos> <<I guess Led Zeppelin needs a lot of beatings for "The Ocean.">>: I wouldn't put it past them.
<<this one mostly uses 4/4, 3/4, 5/4, and a bit of 9/8>>: The first two are standard. 5/4 is just a slapping. And 9/8 could be liveable if you do it as a waltz march (beat in three with triplet subdivisions).
<<make it my teachers for their obsession with 12/8>>: That's just two 6/8 measures jammed together. Easy enough when you do it in four.

Lain> <<congrats be to green baron>>: Would that be marriage or Canadian citizenship?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 11:09:13 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

congrats be to green baron!

(...but ill let him make the announcement ;))
lain
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 10:57:28 PM
IP: 205.250.217.92

Eeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww

There's a turd sandwich on the television
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 09:13:34 PM
IP: 141.155.108.154

Vinnie> Meh.
Whitbourne
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 07:49:57 PM
IP: 142.177.170.163

Vinnie> Or, if you're like me, any use of the word "metaphysical" automatically turns my brain off.
Mecord's Cat
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 07:38:58 PM
IP: 65.103.225.200

This is another attempt on my part to pump some life into this room:

‘It is no more heretical to say the Universe displays purpose, as Hoyle has done, than to say that it is pointless, as Steven Weinberg has done. Both statements are metaphysical and outside science. Yet it seems that scientists are permitted by their own colleagues to say metaphysical things about lack of purpose and not the reverse. This suggests to me that science, in allowing this metaphysical notion, sees itself as religion and presumably as an atheistic religion (if you can have such a thing).’


Shallis M., ‘In the eye of a storm’, New Scientist, January 19, 1984, pp. 42–43.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 02:52:00 PM
IP: 64.112.202.139

Gside: <<You deserve a beating for each time you go into 7/8.>> Then I guess Led Zeppelin needs a lot of beatings for "The Ocean." And this one mostly uses 4/4, 3/4, 5/4, and a bit of 9/8. If you want to beat someone for time changes, make it my teachers for their obsession with 12/8.

Harvester: <<Simple and catchy are all well and good (the Strokes are very good at it), but there is still a place for weird in the music world. So have at it. Do you guys ever record anything? >>
When I say simple and catchy I mean Zeppelin, Van Halen, Deep Purple simple. :) RATM at the simplest. We do have one crappy live recording, I'll IM you about it sometime.
Tharos
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 02:39:29 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139

DPH: Um, Today is also the day that if you find the little baby Jesus in the bread on 3 Kings day, January 6, then today you throw a party for your friends. :D
Dezi
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 12:42:36 PM
IP: 68.57.196.146

Yea, I got the 1st post of Ground Hog's Day. Kinda appropriate, too, considering aside from Ground Hog's Day nothing is important about today. ;)
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 04:47:36 AM
IP: 67.14.195.25

Tharos: Simple and catchy are all well and good (the Strokes are very good at it), but there is still a place for weird in the music world. So have at it. Do you guys ever record anything?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 11:16:58 PM
IP: 69.175.69.12

Tharos> <<It has gratuitous amounts of time changes>>: You deserve a beating for each time you go into 7/8.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 10:41:48 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Gside: Actually, it's 7-string guitar. Lately I've just been writing relatively simple, catchy rock tunes with my band - so I decided it was time for a "guitar as an extreme sport" piece, just to get some weird ideas out of my system. It has gratuitous amounts of time changes, tritones, unnecessary speed, huge stretches, strange rhythms, atonal stuff, and more unnecessary speed. So much fun.
Tharos
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 12:40:22 AM
IP: 165.190.89.139

Tharos> <<I'm writing a song right now called "The Seven Deadly Strings.">>: Piano, guitar, violin, viola, cello, double bass, mandolin? Or is there a banjo in there?

Lain> <<nien! (aw crap, im giving myself away again.. :P) >>: What, that you're really Josh in disguise, and that Gunjack likes to both take it and give it?

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Monday, January 31, 2005 11:26:37 PM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Good episode of "24" tonight. I won't say too much, in case Lain and Gunjack haven't gotten around to watching it, but I will say that not watching the previews each week finally paid off. I nearly leapt out of my seat when I saw who showed up in the last ten minutes. I was wondering who Jack might have been calling; that was not someone I expected to see.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Monday, January 31, 2005 11:07:13 PM
IP: 69.175.69.12

Top 10!!
dph's hologram
ar, usa
Monday, January 31, 2005 04:32:20 PM
IP: 67.14.195.3

nien!
(aw crap, im giving myself away again.. :P)
lain
Monday, January 31, 2005 04:13:53 PM
IP: 205.250.217.92

8th!
Leo
Monday, January 31, 2005 02:31:58 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Seven!

Sweet, I'm writing a song right now called "The Seven Deadly Strings."
Tharos
Monday, January 31, 2005 02:30:07 PM
IP: 165.190.89.139

Seis!
Dezi
Monday, January 31, 2005 02:18:24 PM
IP: 68.57.196.146

FIFTH!!
Damien
Monday, January 31, 2005 02:04:03 PM
IP: 154.20.255.92

FOUR!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, January 31, 2005 01:30:11 PM
IP: 64.112.203.6

3rd

*slides in behind spacbabie and pulls her into lap*

Jon is everyone's B!tch
Revel
Monday, January 31, 2005 01:14:55 PM
IP: 68.119.237.207

2nd. Castaway is my B!tch.
Spacebabie
Monday, January 31, 2005 01:13:23 PM
IP: 69.161.157.101

*sneaks in to claim FIRST!*
Mecord's Cat
Monday, January 31, 2005 11:33:03 AM
IP: 65.103.225.200