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Gside- the wink wink nudge nudge happens this weekend :)
Revel
Monday, July 18, 2005 12:04:45 AM
IP: 24.182.112.92

HARVESTER - I'll have to confess that we never sat down and worked out a proper self-consistent system for halfling life-spans; the information that we have in TGS is mostly the result of various ideas relating to specific halflings, with no attempt to turn it into a science.

For a start, Merlin's periodic sleeps were really just a plot device to allow for his rejuvenation as an adolescent, and probably owe more to the Doctor's regenerations in "Doctor Who" than to any strong theories about halfling life-spans.

Igraine's being one of the Third Race is actually something that I regret, because it makes Arthur a halfling and I believe that he ought to be 100 % human. We went that way in order to give Morgana some faerie background, and it didn't seem likely that Gorlois was at all connected to the Third Race. Later on, we found out that in Greg's Masterplan, Morgana wasn't Gorlois and Igraine's biological daughter at all, but a changeling swapped for their real daughter, something that we hadn't considered. That might have worked better, but it's too late to do anything about that now.

So there's no big theory at TGS (so far as I know) about halfling life-spans; it varies based on what our plans are for each individual halfling and what we want to do with him or her, rather than on a carefully-worked out science. Sorry about that.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, July 17, 2005 06:44:46 PM
IP: 4.244.12.205

I just finished reading "The Once and Future King, Part One." I'll hold off on a review until I've finished Part Two, but I just wanted to ask a question.

I think Greg once said that Fox was mortal, but due to the Fay blood in her, her lifespan would be longer than the average human's. I just wondering if this extended lifespan among those of mixed blood was one of the things picked up by the TGS ficverse. I think it is, but we see some halflings such as Merlin restoring their youth through rejuvenation spells. And I was just wondering if anyone had any idea what the average lifespan of a halfling might be without the aid of magic. If I remember correctly, I think Umbriel (may he rest in peace) was about 300, but I don't remember if he was doing anything magical to prolong his life. Maybe it depends on the nature of the Fay. Unbriel was Oberon's son, and Oberon's power is considerably greater than that of his Children.

Anyhoo, the reason I'm asking is because Arthur has the blood of the Third Race in him, as does Morgana (both from Igraine). But Morgana is a sorceress, so I'm sure she probably does something similar to what Merlin does. Basically, I'm just wondering how much the TGS Staff drew from Greg as far as halfling lifespans (Fox was the only one we ever saw in the canonical Gargoyles series, but he did eventually plan to introduce more in other series). Because Arthur does contain both mortal and immortal blood.

Unless this issue gets addressed in one of the stories, in which case, I'll learn it for myself.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Sunday, July 17, 2005 02:47:02 PM
IP: 69.174.20.156

The problem with not posting for a while is that the backlog starts to get daunting, especially during the week while other stuff is happening.

HoE> <<Today, people are spoiled by electricity>>: It's just about everything I had to deal with in college.
<<anyone who's familiar with the Marathon trilogy>>: Not so much beyond "Frog blast the vent core."

Revel> <<sneaks in behind spacebabie>>: Wink wink, nudge nudge?

Gunjack> <<Which one?>>: The Double Super Secret Inner Circle, not the Circle of One.

Na zdorov'ya.
Gside - [gside@comcast.net]
Fair Haven, NJ
Sunday, July 17, 2005 01:28:32 AM
IP: 68.83.187.89

Dang. It won't load for some reason.
Harvester of Eyes
Saturday, July 16, 2005 09:46:20 PM
IP: 69.174.20.156

If that's the regular series artist, then I'm pretty happy. But something's bugging me about the style, I know I've seen it before. From Elisa's face it almost, ALMOST, looks like Jeff Matsuda.
The Barracuda
Saturday, July 16, 2005 06:31:40 PM
IP: 204.209.150.46

Re- Slave Labor Gargoyles art:

Woah! Intense! Goliath has a couple holes blasted through his wing. I've never seen Elisa looke more pissed off.
Leo
Saturday, July 16, 2005 04:04:58 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Hear ye, hear ye. For I come bearing news. Actually, I come bearing someone else's news.

Our good CrzyDemona has photographed the first new official Gargoyles art in years from the Slave Labor booth.

Click my name to see it.
Greg Bishansky
Saturday, July 16, 2005 03:28:31 PM
IP: 69.118.108.212

Lynati - <..yeah, I just finished book six, how could you tell? > And I thought I was the only one in this cr who had that unnatural (and dangerous) ability to tune the entire world out while reading.
dph
ar, usa
Saturday, July 16, 2005 02:24:05 PM
IP: 63.232.255.192

OMFGOMFGOMFG.

...yeah, I just finished book six, how could you tell?

@_@
Lynati too much jkrowling bedtime
Saturday, July 16, 2005 07:30:36 AM
IP: 70.244.248.213

Guandalug : "How do you SPOT those things?" A combanation of being too observent, paying too much attention to detail, and having *way* too much free time on my hands. "many thanks." You're welcome. "there might be much more in the archive" I'll let you know whenever I notice one.

I'll be back tomorrow, with a review of the next Harry Potter book.
Spen
Friday, July 15, 2005 07:47:07 PM
IP: 207.177.11.252

I found your site through a Google search and wanted to ask you a quick question. I have a limited edition lithograph of Thomas Blackshear's original painting "Goliath Surveys His Domain" This edition is limited to a hand-numbered quantity of 1000, with the original plates and all additional proofs destroyed. The lithograph was created using a special custom ink process and a 100% rag content acid-free museum quality stock. The lithograph is numbered and signed by the artist Thomas Blackshear. (I am copying this information from the certificate that came with the lithograph when sent to me from Buena Vista Television in 1994.)

If you might know someone that might be interested in this piece please pass this email along. I am not a dealer or collector but this was given to me when I worked at a television station and I've held onto it ever since. The poster is in perfect condition and has been framed and hung out of direct light since I got it in October 1994.

Thanks and feel free to email me with any questions-

Sincerely,
Marc
Marc - [morwulf@aol.com]
Houston, TX, USA
Friday, July 15, 2005 04:32:49 PM
IP: 152.163.100.137

BISHANSKY - Sorry about the misspelling (I haven't seen the man's name in print often enough to memorize the correct spelling, I'm afraid). And, yep, I wasn't surprised by your remarks on "The Batman", and figured that you'd have no enthusiasm for the DVD on that basis, but was just curious over what people thought over the general notion of Batman and Dracula confronting each other.

I certainly don't have any problems, I might add, with Dracula in the Gargoyles Universe - particularly since I think that vampires would make appropriate adversaries for gargoyles at some point because of, again, the "twisted similarity" between hero and villain that Greg Weisman mentioned (vampires and gargoyles are both nocturnal, vampires can turn into bats while a lot of gargoyles have batlike wings, both are feared by humans and deemed mythical, etc.). Of course, this is coming from the person who actually wrote a TGS story having Goliath and his clan fighting Dracula.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, July 15, 2005 07:30:58 AM
IP: 4.245.16.108

HoE> Here it is.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005Y71K/qid=1121408962/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/102-0981714-6840128?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846
Greg Bishansky
Friday, July 15, 2005 02:29:54 AM
IP: 69.118.108.212

HoE> Unrated version of Batman Beyond Return of the Joker, definetly exists. You can find it on Amazon, or Suncoast or places that sell DVDs... okay, maybe not Wal-Mart.
Greg Bishansky
Friday, July 15, 2005 02:28:49 AM
IP: 69.118.108.212

I just came from amazon.com. Gargoyles Season One is only one review away from the 200 mark. We rock!

Speaking of Batman, I'll have to look into ordering the unrated DVD of "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" that Gunjack and Lain have told me exists. If people like "The Batman," that's their thing, I won't question it. But I'll stick with what works for me.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Friday, July 15, 2005 01:38:58 AM
IP: 69.174.20.156

Perhaps I missed the part where this was fixed, but I found the "Simpgoyles" story... on the Gargoyles Fan Web Site.

http://fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org/author.php?author=Gary%2BFowler&sortorder=DESC
JEB
Thursday, July 14, 2005 09:47:44 PM
IP: 24.35.69.202

TODD> Yeah, I head about that DVD. No intention to buy it though, as I really, really hate "The Batman".

As for whether or not Dracula fits into the world of Batman. It has been done in the comics a few times, and Batman does exist as part of the DC Universe. So, in this case I would decide this based on whether the story is good or not. I have no confidence that this would be a good story.

Yeah, Batman does have some of the larger than life villains, Ra's al Ghul chief among them (you mispelled his name, btw Todd), though the Lazarus Pits have been written as pseudo science, Ra's created them centuries ago through alchemy. But there is a suspension of disbelief. I.E., I wouldn't have Batman fighting Darkseid on his own show, but on say, Justice League where the setting is completely different, it's not a problem.
Greg Bishansky
Thursday, July 14, 2005 09:09:16 PM
IP: 69.118.108.212

Many of you have probably heard about the "direct-release" DVD about Batman fighting Dracula, and that got me wondering one thing. Do those of you who are Batman fans (I'm certainly looking forward to seeing your response on this, Bishansky) think that Dracula fits into Batman's universe, or not?

On the one hand, the big argument (for me) that Dracula does not belong in the Batman Universe would be that Batman's designed as a relatively mundane super-hero, whose "superness" comes not from any fantasy or sci-fi elements such as magic, coming from another planet, mutation, etc., but from simply being a highly intelligent and well-trained man with a lot of equipment and a drive to fight against crime because of the murder of his parents when he was only a boy. Most of his adversaries have a similar "slightly exaggerated" tone about them as well (the Joker, for example, being "larger than life" not in having any fantasy or sci-fi powers, but in his bizarre blend of greed and malice with a twisted sense of humor, wanting to laugh his victims to death). From this perspective, a fantasy being such as a vampire would appear jarring in Batman's world.

On the other hand, it's been said (by Greg Weisman himself, among others) that one of the best ways to make a great antagonist is to have him echo the protagonist, and Dracula fits that bill. He and Batman are both connected to bats. They both operate at night. And both are fearsome beings, Batman being fearsome to criminals, Dracula to humanity in general. So from that perspective, Dracula makes an appropriate adversary to Batman. (And Batman does have one or two "fantastic" adversaries out there, such as Reis el-Ghul, who's an immortal.)

So what do you think? Does Dracula work in the Batman Universe, or not?
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, July 14, 2005 07:57:16 PM
IP: 4.244.12.219

I forgot if we already posted this or not, but Mecord and I moved to a new location in the same town (two bedrooms! gasp!) that unfortunately does not have access to DSL. I'm posting here from Mecord's parents' house. We just wanted to say we're not dead and that's what happened... ^-^ We still get to the net periodically, so if you need us, drop an e-mail.
Mecord's Cat - [piseag2048@lycos.com]
Thursday, July 14, 2005 06:17:11 PM
IP: 67.182.231.98

Two new summaries are available: "The Reckoning" by D. Taina and "Upgrade" by Harvester of Eyes. Thus, I only need the 7 promised summaries that are missing from season 2 (one of those I'll do myself), the one already promised for Season 3 - and volunteers for 6 missing Season 3 episodes. Come on, people, we're nearly done.

On another note, I got asked if I'd take other reviews as well, to round off the single opinion of the sole reviewer Juan F. Lara. Yes, I would. Adding one or two additional reviews per episode would be a VERY good idea, (and if I get three, so be it), just to show that other fans maybe saw the episodes slightly different. As an example, Todd Jensen tends to post interesting rambles on all those episodes. Todd, would you be interested in having those put up at the GFW? If yes, could you collects them (maybe read them over) and send them my way?
The same goes for other fans - if you've got a review that you think is worth sharing - send it my way (but please mention the episode it belongs to - I don't want to go episode guessing :).

And even more requests: If you got a filk song about Gargoyles (or at least related to Gargoyles), and it's not already published on the GFW websites - why wait? Send it in, and it'll be put up as soon as I get around to do it. Take a look at http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/fanwork/songs/ to see what I already have - and check if your song is missing.

Spen> <Re: GFA error> How do you SPOT those things? It's fixed, of course - many thanks. Of THOSE errors there might be much more in the archive, but as they're minor ones.....
Guandalug la'Fay - [guandalug@gargoyles-fans.org]
Thursday, July 14, 2005 08:50:36 AM
IP: 134.147.82.247

Spen - "Question for TGS staff and ex-staff : I was wondering, how many people are in the Illuminati inner circle?"

... Which one?

##19302--28452htoggohsehtyebosidseseehcnotpmahsuoirepmi332986-22231895%%
V
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 09:48:10 PM
IP: 205.250.217.92

Oh, and ex-staff. Just for clarification.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 09:21:14 PM
IP: 69.118.108.212

SPEN> <<Question for TGS staff and ex-staff : I was wondering, how many people are in the Illuminati inner circle?>>

We could tell you, but then we'd be killed, you'd be killed, and anyone reading the entire fandom would be erased.
Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 09:20:24 PM
IP: 69.118.108.212

Harvester : "Hey, go easy on her." Okay, maybe I was a little too harsh there. So Samantha, if you think is was too harsh, I apologize.
By the way, I have given thought to your question, and have figured out one way that someone could be half a man, but in the intrest of keeping this room at a PG-13 rating, I will keep my mouth shut.

Brutis : Welcome back.

DPH : Thanks for clarifying that.

Question for TGS staff and ex-staff : I was wondering, how many people are in the Illuminati inner circle?
Spen
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 08:43:13 PM
IP: 207.177.11.252

spen - <I just noticed that there is no link to "Untold Tales" from the disclaimer.> Actually, *that* page doesn't fall under Lady Mystic's . . . umm . . jurisdiction. Lady Mystic is in charge of the pages only relating to tgs cr information, nothing more, nothing less. The current webmaster must have inadvertently left off the link to the ut section of the website on the disclaimer page and appreciates you bringing that piece of info to the webmaster's attention. The current webmaster had thought all the pages were fixed, and given the sheer number of pages that the webmaster had updated, it's easy to see how one link might have been missed. If you see any more problems like that, feel free to post about it, directing your comments to the tgs staff.
dph
ar, usa
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 05:13:33 AM
IP: 63.232.248.83

hey guys ... its been a while . sorry i havent been here for a while .. my compy been down and ive been haveing some work issues and school issues and gov stuff and i had a small accident in my car and just a hell of a lot of stuff all at once ....

well anyways im here again HOPEFULLY for a reg basis again ...

btw click on my name for some annoying .. or at least silly stuff
later
Brutis - [brutefreewing_gargoyleguy@yahoo.com]
Hilliard, Oh, Usa
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 02:25:02 AM
IP: 24.160.177.214

Oh, and perhaps this can explain the increase in hurricane activity in the Southeastern US. It certainly is a more sound theory than what I'm hearing from meteorologists.
Harvester of Eyes
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:24:25 AM
IP: 69.174.20.156

Spen: <Samantha : Welcome to the CR. Please note that this is a *Comment* room, not a chat room.> Hey, go easy on her. I didn't know that there was a way to browse images when I first started posting. Of course, I also enjoyed using apostrophes, and still do. But at least she's not asking questions like "when is Timedancer coming to Jetix?"

<Harvester: "does that mean they're half of a person?" How should I know?> It was really more of a rhetorical question than anything else. Regardless of how sure one is, opinions on the subject are welcome and encouraged.

Spacebabie: "Vows" actually contained one of my favorite scenes, which was Petros giving his son a penny as a wedding gift. And I agree with Taina that it is funny that Xanatos asks "what's this?", and he deals with money on a daily basis.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:12:27 AM
IP: 69.174.20.156

Guandalug : I noticed another error in the GFW fanfic archive. Doug Elder's fic "Beneath the Streets" is erroneously dated 06/05/98 when according to the CR archives it was actually posted on 06/05/99.

Lady Mystic : I just noticed that there is no link to "Untold Tales" from the disclaimer.

Samantha : Welcome to the CR. Please note that this is a *Comment* room, not a chat room.

Harvester : I agree with Todd, don't read the season 2 finale of "Timdancer" if you have not read season 4 of "Pendragon". "does that mean they're half of a person?" How should I know?

DPH : I too would like to know that.

Favourite quote : "Why yes. Would you like an autograph?" *Draws knife* "How about I write it across your face?" - Go on, guess.
Spen
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 07:44:41 PM
IP: 207.177.11.252

Harvester: He's a whole man.

Quotes: "You can't because you didn't. Time travel is funny like that." Xanatos in Vows.
Spacebabie
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 01:37:12 PM
IP: 69.161.157.101

Harvester- well I'm allowed half a spot... those are the rules I just made up, and I'm enforcing them with this gun that was provided by the National Rifle Association. >:)
Revel
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:57:43 AM
IP: 24.182.112.92

Favorite GARGOYLES quote...for me:
favorite emotional statement: "I've been denied everything!: even my revenge!" -Goliath.

funny & deadpan statement: "Come back and fight like a man." "I'm not a man: I'm a gargoyle!" -Fang, Brooklyn.

of the two quotes, I like the second one more.

Rodlox
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:55:44 AM
IP: 69.143.92.93

How about this for a discussion topic? If someone claims half of a spot, like Revel did, does that mean they're half of a person? And how would one define whether or not someone is half of a person? Would it be reduced height, or would they have to literally be missing half of their body?

And I do have one other discussion topic involving the chicken and the egg, but it would just degenerate into me telling a dirty joke.

I would suggest giving the favorite Gargoyles quotes thing one more go, but the last two times someone tried to start that topic, I don't think it took off.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:56:35 AM
IP: 69.174.20.156

Twelfth!

(Best week's discussion ever! ;))
Ed
London, England
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 09:19:05 AM
IP: 213.187.39.15

Eleventh?

Rodlox
Monday, July 11, 2005 09:11:23 PM
IP: 69.143.92.93

*sneaks in behind spacebabie*

10 and a half!
Revel
Monday, July 11, 2005 12:06:39 PM
IP: 24.182.112.92

Ten!
Spacebabie
Monday, July 11, 2005 10:20:25 AM
IP: 69.161.157.101

NEIN!
Greg Bishansky
Monday, July 11, 2005 07:30:22 AM
IP: 69.118.108.212

Eight is great.
Starsinger
Monday, July 11, 2005 07:28:00 AM
IP: 4.176.117.254

Sorry about that; I ran into serious connection problems which lasted for a few minutes.
Todd
St. Louis, MO
Monday, July 11, 2005 06:46:40 AM
IP: 4.244.12.17

HARVESTER - Actually, I would strongly advise you to read Season Four of "Pendragon" *before* "Timedancer"'s Season Two finale. Unfortunately, I can't explain why without defeating the purpose of this warning, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, July 11, 2005 06:45:50 AM
IP: 4.244.12.17

Secks!
Spen
Monday, July 11, 2005 06:12:31 AM
IP: 207.177.11.252

FIVE!
Dezi
Monday, July 11, 2005 03:35:38 AM
IP: 68.57.196.146

Fourth!
Leo
Monday, July 11, 2005 02:59:23 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Third time is the charm
silvadel
Monday, July 11, 2005 01:52:28 AM
IP: 24.149.178.180

Just out of curiosity, has somebody different been wiping the cr? Lately it seems to be wiped around midnight.
dph
ar, usa
Monday, July 11, 2005 01:24:51 AM
IP: 63.232.248.226

2nd!!
dph
ar, usa
Monday, July 11, 2005 01:22:15 AM
IP: 63.232.248.226

Sneaks in to grab number one before going off to crash in bed.
Harvester of Eyes
Monday, July 11, 2005 12:30:46 AM
IP: 69.174.20.156