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[The screen reveals that Wilek, Miriam, Doug, Kitainia, the Ravens, and the ten Dark Star stormtroopers have located the main command sanctum of the Dark Guardian by hacking into their computers after Brian extracted the system password from a gang member <deep breath> and are currently on their way there, fighting the horde of zombies and cyborgs.] The Vayas Comos Ninjas couldn't have scored all this gear by themselves. Someone has to be backing them. Someone powerful.

SMURFS?!?!?!?! WHAT THE !@#@!#ING !#@!#@!?! NOT IN MY CR! NOT ON MY WATCH! JAKE! TERI! CLEANUP! [The massive bat-wolf mutate and slender bat-fox mutate saunter into the room with Quarryhammers that they stole from Geoffrey Fieger's secret Illuminati citadel in Detroit City Hall. They use these hammers to squish all the smurfs into blue gak.] Thank you SO MUCH.

a Mel Brooks Gargs spoof> Ack, if he made such a demonic abomination, I would kill him with my bare claws.

AotN> What the...?

Green Baron> Wilek Gore, like all of the clones of me, is dead from SJ's clone degenerative virus. [SJ speaks hesitatingly into the screen at Wilek. "Ummm...this may not be the best time to tell you this...but...there's one less dose of the vaccine in our possession than there should be. There's a clone who wasn't on the approved list who is still alive."] WWWWWWHHHHHHAAAAAATTTTTT??????!!!!! OH SNOT!!! SJ, lock down your lab! Make sure that *thing* doesn't get back there to make more clones. We'll go looking for the clone after we take down the Dark Guardian.

Cliff Oberon> Welcome to the realm of charismatic insanity! Enjoy your stay! Would you like a steak sandwich? Our caterer Shenzi brought them a while back. (Who in their right mind names their kid after an animated hyena?)

Well, we'd better take down the Dark Guardian and take him down soon if we want to get rid of my remaining clone. [Wilek's team finally makes it into the central sector of the Vayas Comos Ninjas HQ, thanks to Brian's info and Gubio's hacking skills.] This is the last leg of the journey, all. Be prepared... [The screen shuts down.]
Wilek Nereus
Sunday, October 18, 1998 10:10:47 PM
IP: tnt-2-12-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hi Cliff Oberon. Nice to meet you. I'm new here, too, so don't feel left out. I hope that you feel welcome here.
Brianna - [kelbribrook@earthlink.net]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 10:05:46 PM
IP: pool044-max5.ds21-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

Hey! I'm new here. I'm not really sure I'm gonna come back. This comment thing is more like a chat room than a comment room. I wish it was a daily thing, rather than weekly. Anyway, I was wondering why the episodes archive isn't up. I've got it bookmarked, and it didn't work. Then I come to the main page and it isn't even up. What's up with that?

<p><p>*she swoops in* Hello everybody! Let me introduce myself. My name is Cliff Oberon. I'm half Child of Oberon. Well, nevermind. I'm not going to go into details. Anyway, I just wanted to say hi, and test out how well this comment goes. I'll be going now. *opens a gateway & goes back to NY*
Cliff Oberon - [Alamana1@aol.com]
AvalonSunday, October 18, 1998 09:51:16 PM
IP: 173-249-116.ipt.aol.com

**Green Baron walks in with a lsit to give to Doug, and a screen pops in with a short shriveled plain-clothes nun who looks very uncomfortable**

Doug> From your list of intolerants, Sister Sue looks pretty uncomfortable with all those right-wingers. I figures she could have some of her own philosophy thrown in :)

My additions: Jesse Jackson, Patricia Ireland, Maxine Waters, Jerry Falwell, Pat Schroeder, David Bonior, Charles Rangel, Bob Jones, Pat Buchanan, and the National Council of Churches: a Liberal Clone of the Christian Coalition. I think Sister Sue, aka the Druid, should like the company :)

Green Baron's profile:
Age: 21, though he appears younger because he is always clean-shaven, but his eyes show an older weariness.
Appearance: Green suit with green-blue checkered vest. Blue tie, and gold pocketwatch. Black shoes and dark socks with blue-red sock garters.

My RL appearance. There is a picture of me on my website. I wish some of you would view it (hint!hint!) :)

I am 21 and I am an Econ/Fiannce Major at Loyola Univeristy in New Orleans.
Favorite Unseelie: Umbriel
Favorite Gargoyles Episodes: City of Stone, Avalon
Favorite Color: Green
Political Affiliation: Registered Republican with Libertarian tendencies
Religion: Roman Catholic with fondness for tradition and mixed view on Religious Right. I find them a little too preachy and moralistic, plus I do see a seperation of Church and State, but I agree with them 100% on one controversial issue and they have great Economic views.

Deuce and Doug> I am surprised there is a controversial topic that should be avoided on Gargs CR. At least I'm not responsible for bringing up the subject, though I mentioned that bigoted play in the first place :)

Kyrvyn> I love that response to Wilek Clinton. Of course, now Wilek Gore now is in charge. Better re-load :)

**Green Baron now leaves as he does a fundraiser for George W. Bush and his brother, Jeb**



Green Baron - [greeenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Sunday, October 18, 1998 09:17:06 PM
IP: 141.164.72.81

Oh yeah, my other favorite Gargoyles ep is Shadows of the Past.
AotN-Don't feel bad. I like the episodes that had bad animation, also.
Brianna - [kelbribrook@earthlin.net]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 08:57:48 PM
IP: pool044-max5.ds21-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

Well, everyone is posting their 'firsts' and 'favorites', so I guess I'll post mine.
Favorite Gargoyle: Ariana. Definitly Ariana.
Faveorite Gargoyles ep: The Mirror & Generations
Favorite TGS ep: Out of Joint, parts, 1 & 2
First Kiss: Uhh...Let me get back to you on that.
First Gargoyles Drawing: Demona, back in '93
Well, that's all I can think of for now. Someday, I hope to become a regular here, so I'll see everybody later. I hope.
BTW, just to let eveyone know, I do not call myself 'Brianna' after the Gargoyle. My real name *is* Brianna.

Brianna - [kelbribrook@earthlink.net]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 08:49:42 PM
IP: pool044-max5.ds21-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net

Oops, I forgot!

Fave Human: Hmm, I like Margo and Brendon. They're classic.
Fave Gargoyle: Uh, let's think... :)
AotN
Sunday, October 18, 1998 08:43:01 PM
IP: dialup-103-25.sssnet.com

Ms. Destine has a malice, Ms. Destine always yells, Ms. Destine dies at sunset and becomes the bat from hello, Mr. X, give me an ancient dime, and if you set me up, I'll kick you right behind the princint clock, there lived some gargs and lass, the hunters came on in and tried to bomb their little ask me no more questions, tell me no more lies, Ms. Maza told me all of this the day before she dived right off the Eerie, not even able to blink, she dove right off a dam, and didn't float but sink me off to Avalon, where I need to be, sink off a skiff, and that's the end of me... :) Heh-heh.

Hellooo! I'm soo happy! Here's some poll answers:
Fave Gargoyles Eps~~> The Price, all Awakenings eps, Vows (don't laugh, even though the animation really stunk), and Shadows of the Past.
Fave TGS Eps~~> (all DA) Wanderer, Destiny, Seduction, and others.

AotN: Okay, so I've had this character around for about a year, and I still know as much about as any of you probably do, which is next to nothing. I did decide a long time ago that she was part of the Wyvern clan, one that died in the massacre, but was from the Trio's generation. I gave her the name Tasha (I liked it at the time time and it seemed to fit her personality). Anyway, her nature is pretty much fun-loving and friendly, and she loves to make a joke of nearly every situation, but when one of her friends is in danger and things get serious, watch out, 'cause she has a fierce temper. She has jade green skin, auburn hair, and big, bright eyes. That's about all I've created so far, though I did draw a picture, but it scanned badly, so I couldn't show it to you. *shrugs, then looks at what she wrote* Hmm, maybe I know more about her than I thought. *smiles*

*sigh* I miss Dark Ages, and I'm gonna complain about it 'til it gets a premiere date. Sorry, TGS staff.

Bye.
AotN
Sunday, October 18, 1998 08:41:05 PM
IP: dialup-103-25.sssnet.com

My contribution to a Mel Brooks movie with gargoyles - Elisa undercover as a hooker. Always undercover as a hooker. Everytime you see her in a different outfit, but definitly Hollywood hooker outfits. Mel Brooks does have a warped sense of humor.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 08:34:27 PM
IP: ts003d39.alq-nm.concentric.net

(Brian is seen on the roof of a building near the gang's hideout . He is seemingly waiting for something to happen as he keeps looking at his watch .)

Do'nt worry , just some interrogation , I have to pull that gang member back before the the bomb goes off , I'm sure he'll be willing to talk after he comes two seconds close to being a (on-hand) witnessing Hiroshima .

Mary Flanders : Hello Miss Flanders , and welcome to our little corner of the web . I trust your family has access to a staight jacket as you will be needing one for their safety as well as yours very soon .

Info. on self : I'm taking Math and Biology at A-levels and Chemistry and physics at O-levels . I'm trying to get into a Research Herpatologist position at the SCA . You know , tagging sea turtles and the like . And I hate spiders . I'm 6 foot 1 , Brown hair , dark brown eyes .

Info. on RP self : (FINE , LIMIT ME ) Ok ,
Race : I'm human
Powers : Large potential for magic as I am bound only by my imagination .
Training : I have extensive training in knife fighting as well as sharp shooting .
Physical status : I'm 6 foot one and a naturally good brauler .
Clothing : My standard garb is Black Boots with tensilly strong soles , a black trench coat , camo pants and vest and padded body armour , cammo bandana (occasionally worn to hide area of face below the eyes ).
Weapons : Magic , survival knife , rubber coated chain (worn as belt ) , occasional rifle , any other weapon stolen from time as government agent . (up until last week this included a fairly large nuclear arsenal ) and a cammoflage make up kit .
Appearance : Black hair , tanned skin and black eyes (electric blue when enraged ) .

Favourite Gargoyles episodes : Hunters Moon trilogy , The mirror , future tense , (that first one with Griff ) and Cauldron of life .
Favourite TGS eps. : Rerisals 1-3 , Turncoat , among others which I ca'nt remember the titles of .
Fav. TD eps. : Midnight Showdown , Requiem , Gros bonange and Games without frontiers .
Fav. Pendragon eps. : Into the forest , Dragon's wrath , Mercenary and Quest's end .
Fav. DA eps. : The Fox came back , Coming of age 1 and 2 , The reluctant hero , Dreadnought and Prince of Thieves 1-3 .
Fav, Gargoyle : Lex and Goliath .
Fav. Human : Elisa .

Brian : I wo'nt always be able to join in but I will when I can . Glad to know you do'nt kill on a particularly large scale or else I would have had to withdraw my membership .

(Brian looks at his watch , then rapidly spins around , opens the portal , he reaches into it and pulls the gang member through . Seeing that the bomb is'nt about to go off in his face he turns to Brian and falls on his neck weeping and incoherently babbles the information Brian wanted between begging him not to send him back .)
The Rolling Calf / Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Sunday, October 18, 1998 07:30:26 PM
IP: 208.11.41.210

Favorite Episodes Gargoyles<From the heart,Out of the joint part 1and 2,Prophets of angels and The Rising part 1 and 2 Pendragon<The return,The goddess of springtime,Into the woods,Dragon's Wrath,and Quest's End Dark Ages<Links to the past, Aguards story, First do no harm, Ever faithful, Prince of thieves part 1,2,and 3, The seduction, Coming pf age part 1and 2, News from the south, Pilgrimage, and Perspectives Timedancer<Devils Deal, Reqiem, Dishonor, Daylight, The promise, and Gros bon ange Oh' andI can't wait until tomorrow because the new season of Pendragon begins and Ican't wait to see what Arthur, Griff,and Cavall are up to.
Lawrence Stone - [st1@bright.net]
Chillicothe, Ohio, Ross
Sunday, October 18, 1998 06:21:47 PM
IP: cacheflow.bright.net

MrNoying> Totally agree! Brooklyn is by far the greatest!
SOROW
Sunday, October 18, 1998 06:18:03 PM
IP: usr2-3-dialup41.mix1.irving.cw.net

Wow! look at all the polls. Lets see... where to begin.

IRL I am a 19 year old college student at Iowa State University. I my major is Management Information Systems, and I'm also working on a minor in preforming arts. I haven't really done any role-playing games, but I do play CCG's, most notably Star Trek and Legend of the Burning Sands.

As far as favorite episodes go
Gargoyles: The Mirror. I was ROTFLMAO the first time I saw this ep. City of Stone is a close second.
TGS Gargoyles: I have to go with Equality and Things Fall Apart.
Pendragon: Into the Woods. It rocked, what can I say?
Dark Ages: Don't really have a favorite.
Timedancer: Games Without Frontiers was my favorite overall TGS ep. Requiem and Daylight were also good.

Well, I think that's it for now.
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 05:26:03 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

Jonathan: You win the cyber-cookie! (hands him a cookie of his chosen flavor, whatever that might be) I do so love that comic. The latest issue was a disappointment, but all the ones before that have been hilarious! :)

Favorite Gargoyle: For me it's a draw between Goliath, Brooklyn, and Lex.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 04:09:50 PM
IP: hd51-134.hil.compuserve.com

Hi all!
Been out for a few days - real life again intrudes...

Doug: Hawg Waller's?? that nice place in Muncie? I hear their Gusweiser's good. Just ask any of the Knights of the Dinner Table!!

Poll> not fair: I like them all.

Oh well, time to go..
Good night all!!
Jonathan
NEW ZEALAND Sunday, October 18, 1998 03:11:26 PM
IP: wh20-16.wave.co.nz

Well, I just finished a three day gargoyle weekend, where I watched EVERY episode again, including Goliath Chronicle eps. And I did it all on a big screen with six speaker surround sound. Now THAT'S living... Yeah, I took a break or two to log on here before, and to sleep, but man, I'd forgotten how many great episodes the series had! Seems I answered improperly on the very poll I started! I discovered I don't have a favorite, as I love EVERY episode, except some of the bad Avalon journey episodes... Now I think I'm going to reread all the stories from this site... Starting with Timedancer... It's going to be a looong Sunday... And while everyone is answering as to their fave episode, no one is answering as to who their fave gargoyle is... Brooklyn here, all the way.
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
SanAntonio, Texas, US
Sunday, October 18, 1998 02:26:30 PM
IP: spider-we022.proxy.aol.com

My Dad is yelling at me to get off the computer. He thinks I'm working on a project. Heh heh.
Fav Gargoyle eps:Future Tense,The Edge,The Price,Awakenings,Hunter's Moon
Fav TGS eps:Equality,Out of Joint 1&2,Consequences
Fav Timedancer:Daylight,For Old Time's Sake,Fleeting Encounters,Requiem
That's all for now, later!


SOROW
Sunday, October 18, 1998 01:48:38 PM
IP: usr3-4-dialup13.mix1.irving.cw.net

**DarkAngel comes out of the shadows**

Wow, there's a lot of polls.

Fav. Gargoyles Episode: Future Tense. I like dark futuristic stories... That's why I play Shadowrun.

Fav. TGS Episode: I like them all! I just have to go with The Rising, because it's the only one I have freshly implanted in my mind right now.

First Kiss: Never... (doh!) I have a lot of female friends, but I never got to deepen the relationship with any of them.

About my Character: DarkAngel is a character on my home Usenet newsgroup of alt.atheism in the thread "a.a EAC interactive adult story". EAC stands for Evil Atheist Conspiracy, and it's a spoof on the New World Order thingy that we hear so much about from fringe Christian groups. It's all a big inside joke that got started after someone accused us (on our own newsgroup even) of paving the way for the Antichrist's coming. DarkAngel is a half-human, half-demon Special Op agent in a sub-organisation of the EAC called the Black Daggers. We've been writing a story about the EAC, which you can probably find on DejaNews. I don't recommend it for anyone under 18 though, and maybe 21 if you live in one of the stricter States.

So, in this alternate universe of Gargoyles, DarkAngel would probably be a member of the Illuminati (that's the closest thing I can think of) and half-Unseelie. He has a cynical and cold demeanor, and his "poker" face practically never reveals any emotion (neither love, nor anger, neither fear nor joy). And don't worry, I know there are younger teens on this forum and so I won't go overboard with blood, gore and other adult stuff (you know what I'm talking about...) in my posts.

**DarkAngel fades back in the shadows with a slight smile on his face.**
DarkAngel - [DarkAngel@BAAWA.org]
Quebec, Canada
Sunday, October 18, 1998 12:30:07 PM
IP: 01.xp11-2-6.sherbrooke.interlinx.qc.ca

(The monitor lights up with an image of the VCN cyborgs taking aim at the Ravens. Suddenly Wilek, Miriam, and Brian/Rolling Calf come up behind them and take all three out. Doug thanks them and then turns to face the camera and say his piece.)

Wilek, Brian: Thanks, friends. Glad you came along.

SJ: Of course I'm a Longhorns fan. I do go to their University! What's weird is my sister and most of the rest of my family are Aggie-fans, I'm a rebel. :) My cap used to be one that had Sheriff written on it, I liked that one better. Then the burglar stole it (grr!), so I now wear my Longhorns one.

Adam Sandler: Nobody beats him for stupid comedy. For intelligent comedy, though, Jim Carrey is a heck of a lot funnier, in my opinion.

I also like Mel Brooks a lot. Blazing Saddles and Spaceballs are my faves of his. I wonder if Mel Brooks were to do a Gargoyles spoof movie, what would it be like? All I can think of is that he'd have the Illuminutty Society, run by "Mr. Dullval," and Oberon might be called Obi-Ron Kenobe. :) Anyone else have an idea what other damage Mel Brooks might do if he got the rights?

Looking forward to the first Pendragon ep of the new season tonight. That's all I have to say now. Later!
(The screen goes blank as the Ravens and their friends head out to further explore the headquarters.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 12:16:49 PM
IP: dd80-105.compuserve.com

**Sevarius Jr. strides into the comment room. Suddenly, he is nearly tripped off his feet by a moving sea of little blue creatures...**

Wha-? Alright! Who let smurfs in here? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get rid of those guys? Worse than cockroaches, I tell you.

Whew! Lots of polls.

Deuce's poll: In my RP's, I'm the "occasionally" mad scientist son of the evil geneticist Anton Sevarius (but don't worry, I'm not a bad guy like my pop. It's just...well...okay, sometimes my experiments turn out a little nasty. Hey, no ones perfect!)
IRL, I'm 19 yrs. old (going on 20, my b-day's not far off!) and I live right here at the capital of weirdness, Washington D.C. I'm still in college (unfortunately), trying to get a degree in both criminal justice and psychology (I want to try to go into criminal psychology). I like long walks on the beach, my favorite color is blue, and sharks scare the hell outta me. Anything else you need to know?

Fave Garg eps.: Hmm...I love the whole City of Stone, Avalon, and Hunter's Moon stories, but I gotta say Future Tense. I love a good "twisted future" tale.
Fave TGS, Timedancer, Pendragon, or Dark Ages eps.: C'mon, you can't expect me to pick just one, now can you? I love 'em all.

Wilek: Glad I could help you with the clones. Those little buggers were _really_ getting on my nerves.

Doug: Hey, a Longhorns fan! :)

As for you Adam Sandler fans...have you seen the previews for his new movie "Waterboy?" I gotta admit, it looks pretty funny. The idea of him all of a sudden going ballistic on the football field...makes me laugh!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 11:42:16 AM
IP: 207-172-117-78.s78.tnt12.brd.erols.com

oops... I meant to say "when the first new ep of Timedancer was coming out?" Heh..
Malibu Nylkoorb
Sunday, October 18, 1998 09:51:01 AM
IP: 1cust110.tnt16.chi5.da.uu.net

This was probably posted somewhere right where I should've been able to see it, but I just wanted to ask when the first new ep of Timedancer?

To the TGS staff> Continue the good work that you did in the first season! :)

Well, that's all I have to say, so I'm outta here!
Malibu Nylkoorb
Sunday, October 18, 1998 09:49:23 AM
IP: 1cust110.tnt16.chi5.da.uu.net

Coyote> Allow me to present, Miss Lily Von Schtup! :::breaks out into a chorus of "I'm Tired", while five Kaisers do a Rockettes line across the stage:::

Ahem! Excuse me! "Blazing Saddles, when Lily invites first Hedly Lamar, then Clevon Little's "Shewiff" into the room. Very funny movie, and one of my few Mel Brooks film favorites; the others being "Young Frankenstein" and "The Silent Film" And I'd like my Cyber-cookie in Chocolate-peanut butter chips!

Favorite Gargoyles ep: "Hunter's Moon" trilogy, "The Mirror"
Favorite TGS eps: "Equality" and "Out of Joint, Pt. 1 & 2"
Favorite Pendragon ep: "Into The Woods"
Favorite Upcoming TGS ep: WHAT? You think I'm gonna blab!? <grin!>

Maintain and Check Six!

:::"Igor! Frodrick! How did you get down there? Through the dumbwaiter... I heard the strangest sound so I followed it down here. Call it... a 'hunch'! <baropa-CHING!>":::
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Sunday, October 18, 1998 03:41:24 AM
IP: 207.170.232.106

Hi.
Well I'm thinking for 7 or 8. Maybe 8 gargoyles with a gargoyle beast.
Cheetah - Leanna - female ( young adult )
Zerba - male ( leader )
2 Wild Dogs ( one female and one male. The female is the oldest by 10 years. )
Gazelle - female ( about the same age has Bronx )
Meerkat - male ( 9 years old , the youngest )
Lioness - female ( the rookrey sister to Leanna )

Can you guys help me with something ? You know those dubs that people make that like Sailor Moon ? You know ,they make a NA version of a Japanese original clip like Sailor Uranus or Pluto transforming or doing an attack ?
Well , I want to dub my voice and use it in a AVI clip . But I don't know how.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 01:33:13 AM
IP: 200-255-5.ipt.aol.com

**Mandi runs in wearing a skirt and a white blouse, the front of which is stained with red. She runs around the room in circles screaming "IT'S OVER! IT'S OVER!" as several comment room regulars mutter to each other about calling the nearest asylum. Finally, she stops after three times around.**

Sorry. I'm okay, physically and otherwise. The stain's just fake theatre blood. But the $*%^&^) fall play is over! I don't have to mess with the gun full of blanks and the blood packets that pop early or don't pop at all anymore! You bet I'm happy!

Ravyn: I laugh my ass off every time I hear The Chanukah Song. I managed to tape it off the radio, but then my mom taped over it by accident...

Other stuff I've neglected while the play has kept me busy...hmmm...

Age: Physically and mentally 19. Emotionally...the jury's still out on that one. I'm a double major in English and Computer Sci at Hood College in Maryland.

Fave Gargoyles Eps: Future Tense, M.I.A., Pendragon, The Mirror
Fave TGS Gargoyles Eps: Turncoat, Consequences, Reprisals, The Rising
Fave Pendragon Eps: Into the Woods, The Tain (cue regulars from the summer shouting "WE KNOW ALREADY!!"), and Quest's End.
Fave Timedancer Eps: Requiem, For Old Times' Sake, Fleeting Encounters, The Promise.
Fave Dark Ages Eps: Wanderer, Coming of Age, Alliances.

Anyway, this shirt needs a washing, and I need some sleep, so that's all for now. Good night!

**Mandi waves and runs out again, just in time to escape the men in white coats who are arriving.**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Sunday, October 18, 1998 01:16:17 AM
IP: 144.175.17.40

**Ravyn wakes up and decides to post**

Coyote> It's a fuel-injected '84 Sunbird. Probably wouldn't work then, huh? And I'm sorry I got confused; I can't wait to see your other car, then! Both your cars sound cool. And for some reason I always crack up laughing at "The Chanukah Song." I really don't know why it's so funny, but it is! That's probably one of my favorites, along with "The Lonesome Kicker," for certain 'sentimental' reasons, and I thought "Piece of **** Car" was pretty good too. Adam Sandler is one crazy guy...
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Saturday, October 17, 1998 11:14:47 PM
IP: svm-ts3-25.c2i2.com

Fave Gargoyles eps> Future Tense and Kingdom
Fave TGS Gargoyles eps> Two, Equality, Turncoat and Consequenses
Fave TGS Timedancer eps> Requiem, Games Without Frontiers and Gros Bon Ange
Fave TGS Pendragon eps> Visions, Dragon's Wrath, The Tain and Quest's End
Fave TGS Dark Ages eps> Games Wizards Play, The Seduction, Destiny and Alliances
Ordell - [ordell9425@geocities.com]
Saturday, October 17, 1998 10:51:05 PM
IP: 206-93-243.ipt.aol.com

(Doug begins to speak.)

Kitainia: Are we switching colors or what? You used mine, I'll use yours. Hope nobody gets angry about it.

Wilek: Let's just say those VCNs are apparently dead, okay? The Ravens don't usually kill their opponents, contrary to popular belief we're not that violent. Just about as violent as the Manhattan Clan is, to be exact. Besides, the VCNs only have about twenty-two members IRL. We don't want to get rid of all of them. (Though the undead will stay, and so will any other new members we decide to throw into the mix of this RP story.)

Fanfic News: Finally started my New Olympus one today. I only have the first scene with the Ultra-Pack done, will do Scene 2 and subsequent ones later. Now if only Chris would get his archive back online so I can upload "Masterpiece."

Burglary Investigation Status: The cops are still looking, now news as of yet.

Welcome to Dark Angel and Mary Flanders!

Deuce's Poll: IRL, I am a mild-mannered UT-Austin college student, majoring in history and planning to teach it someday. But of course I'm also a Black Raven like my significant other Kitainia/Lisa Telman. I am the Ravens' co-leader and primary expert on tactics and strategy. I'm also one of the most creative of our little bunch.

My RP alter-ego Doug Elder is basically the same kind of human I am IRL, just someone who lives a more dangerous life and has a lot more high-tech devices and enemies. I look like Richard Harrison with a beard and mustache, and ordinarily wear jeans, sneakers, a collared shirt of some color (green today), and a UT Longhorns baseball cap. My gear includes a high-powered turbo-charged plasma shotgun, an iron nightstick, a jetbelt like George Jetson wears, Spiderman-style wristband web-shooters, and a few other things. I'm also an expert at karate, streetfighting, and tai chi chuan.

The rest of our group includes Keith/Dra_gon (indicates the half-Chinese guy in the cap and ninja Stealth suit going through a file cabinet) who is our other co-leader, and one of our smartest and most creative folk. IRL, he is a business student here at UT and our GM at RPG games as well as our friend. ; Stephanie/Belu-shee (points to a girl who looks a lot like Lisa, only fully human and with hair dyed blonde, watching the room's one window) who is Lisa's sister and a sociology student IRL and a female samurai and Highlander immortal in RPs; Shap [short for Benjamin Shapiro]/FrostFire (indicates a large stocky bearded black man going through another file cabinet) who is my best guy friend and an RTF student IRL and a modern-day somewhat unorthodox paladin in RP; law student Jim/Jammer (points to a big white guy who looks a lot like Ben Affleck planting explosives to crack open a safe), our driver and demolition man; Shauna/STAL (points to a young black girl carrying a bow and arrows in addition to her other gear), Lisa's best girlfriend and an accounting student IRL, as well as a very good archer and swordswoman in RPs; Alex/Gubio (a guy sitting at a computer who looks like a young Frohike throws everyone a wave), our computer programmer friend and a graduate student in that, as well as the world's most scrupulous hacker; Tricia/Lady Linnet (a cherub-faced brown-haired girl in camoflauge waves and then turns back to the pile of folders she's going through), Jim's girlfriend and an architecture student as well as my old high school chum IRL, and a powerful psychic and telepath in RP; Boris/Sugarov (a big blonde Russian-American guy says "Yo!" and then goes back to watching the room's ventilation shaft) who is an journalism major and Jim's fellow bouncer at a nightclub called Paradox IRL and our strongest Raven. He also carries the bazooka in our RP; and our fictional RP-only members the cleric Orion (an angelic-featured bearded man dressed all in white and carrying a mace salutes and then goes back to his pile of folders) and Lathrop the wizard (an elderly man who looks and dresses like Giles from Buffy, TVS nods and then goes back to magically opening locked cabinets with the help of his spellbook and staff). And of course Alex's big gray cat Mist, who is not here right now. Their personalities are basically that Keith is our smart (Xanatos-level intellect) guy and resident cynic, Jim is our resident comedian, Boris is a tough guy with the mentality of Owen Burnett, Shauna's the resident bitch and counselor, Tricia is a tough 'girly-girl' but also a very good friend, Alex is the resident computer geek, Shap is a serious Christian but also amazingly friendly and tolerant for one (like Green Baron or Deuce), Stephanie is Lisa's somewhat self-absorbed and chronically optimistic twin (as Keith puts it, the Joe Hardy to Lisa's Frank), Orion is the stereotypical cleric who's kind to his friends and tough to his enemies, and Lathrop is a lot like Giles with a sense of humor. We're all also pretty nice guys, and a lively bunch of folk on top of that. <grin>

Okay, that's all I came to say. Later!
(Doug turns back to going through a file cabinet when suddenly Kitainia whistles and all the Ravens look up to see Jose and three VCNs dressed in long trenchcoats standing in the room's doorway. "Kill these intruderos!" Jose orders his comrades, and then runs off. As the VCNs throw off their coats to reveal they each have a cybernetic gun-arm in place of their left hands and bring them up to take aim, the screen goes blank. Tune in next post to find out what happens.)
Doug Elder - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Austin, TX, USA
Saturday, October 17, 1998 10:48:54 PM
IP: hd4-155.hil.compuserve.com

(The screen lights up with a picture of the Ravens searching a huge room full of computers and file cabinets in the VCN's headquarters. Kitainia walks forward to say hello.)

Wilek: Let's just say those VCNs Orion incinerated with the holy water were undead, okay? Ordinarily, holy water does not cause people to burst into flames, in fact it's pretty harmless to the living. Orion can only use it to a) bless us and thus make us more effective in combat, and b) harm undead because holy water evaporates and causes lots of steam damage when it makes contact with the skin of the undead. So the VCNs are now seeming to be better armed, automatic weapons I was expecting, but not undead or all these computers in their file room. (Gulliermo also doesn't usually keep records of his gang's operations. Maybe the Dark Guardian put this into effect.) Also, let's just say Sheppard took the Sillhouette went back to Shadow Island, as the Commandos needed to use it more than us.

Psychotic Clones: Don't be so sure all the psychotic clones are dead yet. Doug and I made sure Thailog, all Sevarius and Nick Mackovic's various clones (from Doug's fanfic), Doug's Borg-drone clone Guod, and my extremely insane Hyena-like clone Asil (from our RP) got vaccinated and survived. We and others had lots of plans for them that we did not want interrupted.

Favorite Gargoyles Eps: Hunter's Moon, Avalon, the Mirror, City of Stone, and Awakenings.
Favorite TGS Gargoyles Eps: Past Perfect, Equality, Turncoat, Consequences, Reprisals, and The Rising.
Favorite Timedancer Eps: The Promise, Dishonor, Daylight.
Favorite Dark Ages Eps: Coming of Age, Alliances.
Favorite Pendragon Eps: Into the Woods, Dragon's Wrath, Quest's End.

Deuce's Poll: IRL, I am a college student majoring in psychology at the University of Texas in Austin, and I am fully human. But in my RP persona, I am not just a student. I'm also a member of a small group of friends and fellow warriors known as the Black Ravens, who spend lots of time hanging out together IRL and in RP posts will often go out on missions to protect the city from criminal gangs such as the VCN, psychotic clones like Asil and Guod, and even on one occasion a UFO full of space aliens.

I'm the group's second-in-command (though since we're a democracy, it's only semi-official) as well as its best shot and most action-oriented female. My RP persona is also not fully human, she is a half-human half-gargoyle mutant. I had Dr. Anton Sevarius turn me into this because I thought it would be cool to be like a garg (and so far it has been, no problems I haven't been able to handle). Click my name to see Coyote's picture of exactly what I look like. (The other garg in there is Rosanna, a character of his.) I ordinarily carry a backpack full of useful items on my excursions, it's just not in the picture. I am also usually armed with a switchblade knife, a laser rifle I borrowed from Demona and probably will never return, and of course my skills at kickboxing, karate, and judo. I also have five fingers on each hand, all with retractable catlike claws. And I can glide, use my tail as a weapon, and have a very keen wisdom and intellect. I also own a motorcycle I call the Road Moccasin that I ride a lot (but never without my helmet).

I'll let Doug describe the rest of the gang. Don't want to make this post too long. Later!

(Kitainia walks over to guard the room door as Doug steps forward to say something.)
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Austin, TX, USA
Saturday, October 17, 1998 09:58:37 PM
IP: dd78-157.dub.compuserve.com

Poll:
Fav Gargs ep: Kingdom, Turf, and Metamorphus
Fav TGS ep: Captive Pursuit I just LOVE how Angela tells off Goliath!!!! She should do that more often!
Mary Flanders
Saturday, October 17, 1998 09:51:56 PM
IP: stk-ts1-h2-37-149.ispmodems.net

Ravyn: A caveat to what I said about the breather hose. It depends on what kind of car (specifically, what kind of engine) you are working on. Leaving it off may not work if you're working on an FI (fuel-injected) engine, or a carbureted engine with computer controls (example: mid '80's Chrysler 2.2, which has a carburetor but uses an FI air filter).
Thanks for the title of the story. That was it, "Past Perfect."
And I'm really familiar with Adam Sandler's stuff. Personally, I think his best ones are "The Chanukah Song" and "Lunchlady Land," although I had a roommate in college who really liked "Piece of **** Car."
And the pics I'll be posting are actually of my *other* car, the one that's running. I'm trying to get some money together (aside from my Gathering fundage) to have a new engine installed in the poor Tazillac.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, October 17, 1998 09:10:45 PM
IP: 207.91.254.34

Coyote> Very good! I didn't think anyone would recognize my Adam Sandler reference. Nah, my 'lonesome kicker' is a Scottish & Irish redhead with a short name and a big heart. His first name's Kyle, just in case I refer to him any more in here. :) And it can run pretty good without the breather hose? Hmm...I haven't even checked on prices yet for the darn thing. I'll have to consider that! Thanks for the info! And I can't wait to see the pictures of the Tazillac!

Poll:
Fav Animated Gargs ep> Hunter's Moon. Close seconds are Future Tense and The Mirror.
Fav TGS ep> I liked Perchance to Dream and the one Coyote's talking about with Goliath back in the middle ages. I think that was Past Perfect.

**Ravyn goes over to the sleeping football team and falls asleep right with 'em.**
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Saturday, October 17, 1998 08:28:36 PM
IP: svm-ts3-27.c2i2.com

**Coyote enters the room. That's all, nothing special.**

Well, it took two and a half hours and I'm now $48 lighter, but Lexington has his vinyls. And they're *spectacular*! As soon as I get pictures taken and developed, I'm posting them for everybody here to see.

Quick replies (among other things, mail's still down.):

Dark Angel: Wilkommen, bienvenue, welcome, c'mon in to our domain of utter insanity. (cybercookie to the first person who knows where that greeting came from.)

Poll:
Favorite animated ep: "Hunter's Moon" by a long margin, followed closely by "The Mirror" and "Eye of the Beholder."
Favorite TGS ep:
Gargoyles: I don't remember the title, but it's the one with Goliath dreaming into the night about being back in the 11th Century. (Sorry.) It's the allusions to all the prince-princess fairy tales (Elisa trying to awaken the stone Goliath with a kiss) that really made me like it.
TimeDancer: Without question, a tie between "Fleeting Encounters" and "The Promise."

Deuce: My CR persona is the only RP'ing I ever do. Here goes ... my CR persona is a human that can turn into a gargoyle. I wanted more stamina with the band, so Coyote granted it to me, but with a catch (Coyote *is* a trickster, after all!) that I become a full-blood gargoyle whenever I wear my band jacket. Because I was basically p****d off at Coyote for doing this, I named my gargoyle self "Coyote the Bando." The main drawback of this arrangement is that I can't wear the jacket during the day, otherwise I turn to stone and can't take the stupid thing off until sunset.
Click on my name link to see a pic of me before and after Coyote's spell, wearing the jacket.

Ravyn: I get the feeling you're an Adam Sandler fan ... hopefully your "lonesome kicker" isn't an Eastern European soccer player with a 39-letter last name that nobody can pronounce (see the vid for the song). ;)
Since you're DIY'ing your car, how much are you looking to spend for that breather hose? Because if it's too much, depending on the car it can run equally as happily without it. (The Tazillac did ... until it blew a head gasket) Worst comes to worst, you can cannibalize one out of aluminum dryer vent pipe. Just a suggestion.

Mary Flanders: Check the TGS site, they should have a page that covers all the legal stuff. Before I started writing G:CM I memorized that page.

Well, it's been 45 minutes. Here's hoping that my mail's up again.

**Coyote turns to leave, suddenly slipping and falling. He looks at his shoes and discovered blue smurf juice.**

Oh, God, that's gross! Who let those smurfs run rampant around here?!?! **looks over past posts** Oh. Sorry, Mary. Didn't mean to step on 'em. For that matter, didn't see 'em.

**Coyote opts to crawl the rest of the way out the door to make sure he doesn't step on any more smurfs.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Saturday, October 17, 1998 08:14:30 PM
IP: 207.91.254.34

DEUCE - Ah, good, you noticed my Guide to the Gargoyles Universe! I'm sending in instalments to the site as quickly as I can, anyway. The latest one got all the way up to the entry for Goliath (I sent it in about an hour ago; I don't yet know when it'll get up). Quite a long one, too, but that's not surprising, given how large an entry on the big guy's likely to be.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, October 17, 1998 07:58:40 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-133.primary.net

Thanks to everyone for the age info. I'll be 16 on November 18 and I'm a sophmore(10th) in high school.
SOROW
Saturday, October 17, 1998 07:55:51 PM
IP: usr2-3-dialup29.mix1.irving.cw.net

*A lavender body falls in from the roof window on to the floor with a mighty CRASH! and THUMP! The TGS lawyer comes in and hands her the bill for the window and skips off Merrily* *grumbles* Darn lawyer!!!! Oh well, Hiya folks! Mary Flanders here! Decided to start talking and stop lurking permanently. Hope to have many interesting discussions with you.

Age: 15 5/6 (my birthday is in 2 months!!!!)
First Kiss:(wah!) never!
Best Kiss:see above

TGS staff: I have a small request since I can't EM it to you for strange computer reasons. May I have permission to use some of your characters for a fanfic I've got jumping around in my head? I would like to use Sata, Graeme, Ariana, Richard, George, ect.

*before exiting, Mary takes out a large potato sack that everyone from The Gargoyles Fan Website chat room is familiar with and letsout a huge swarm of smurfs*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ahem) have fun people!

*exits*
Mary Flanders
Saturday, October 17, 1998 07:48:14 PM
IP: stk-ts2-h2-38-185.ispmodems.net

*frowns, furrows eyebrows* I thought I already said... oh, yeah, that was in my "lost post". I had a huge thing typed up to send, but my 'puter crashed and I lost it. For those who care, I'm actually using Opera right now (the web browser). It's not that great. Actually, it's rather ugly in interface and in the way it handles HTML. It's faster than Netscape, though.

What I wanted to mention was my favorite TGS ep. In "Gargoyles", I don't have one. My favorite TimeDancer eps: it's a tie between "Requiem" and "Games Without Frontiers".

NOTE: I recently came into possesion of a WAV of a song in extremely bad taste about President Clinton, sung to the tune of-- actually, even NAMING the song would be in bad taste. For those with sick minds, e-mail me for the URL (posting it here is not a good idea... it's REALLY bad).

One more thing: why does Appendix B in the Grimorum Arcanorum on gargoyles-fans.org stop suddenly? When will it be finished?
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Canada Saturday, October 17, 1998 07:44:46 PM
IP: ppp107.connect.ab.ca

**Ravyn comes in, wiping some grease off her hands**

Aha! I finally found what the noise was inside my car! One of the hoses that takes air into the intake manifold had cracked & air was getting out. Now I have to wait for a new hose to come in...*growl* ;) Oh, well, at least I was able to show my Dad that I really do know stuff about cars! (he still really doesn't believe me, even though I got through a year of Auto Shop class with straight A's)

**Ravyn looks around and finds her football friends fast asleep.**

Oh, well, they deserve a break. Well, I guess I was just checking in. Sorry this post was kinda pointless!
Ravyn Maza
Saturday, October 17, 1998 07:28:03 PM
IP: svm-ts3-27.c2i2.com

[Quick post.]

Thanks Theresa!

In my last post, I meant, "you'll have to ask Coyote how old SHE (meaning Liberty) is", not "he". Typo. Happens to the best of us...
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, October 17, 1998 07:13:16 PM
IP: tnt-1-220-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Wilek >> Nyle Unlimited has many threads. We do clothing, entertainment, some weapons, which are mostly based on alien technology and not for sale, and have family and contacts all over the globe and a good deal of the universe (under another name of course.)

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, October 17, 1998 07:06:16 PM
IP: proxy-331.public.rwc.webtv.net

[The screen reveals that Wilek, Miriam, Doug, Kitainia, the Black Ravens, and ten Dark Star stormtroopers are navigating the labyrinth of the Vayas Comos Ninjas HQ, looking for the Dark Guardian and leaving a trail of dead Ninjas behind them. The Silhouette and the TIE Lander from the Dark Star hover overhead.] Thanks for coming, Brian; we need all the help we can get!

RP persona> Click my name to see me (the stunningly handsome male blue gargoyle), Miriam (the stunningly beautiful {as humans go anyhow} human female), and Liberty (the stunningly tall female garg). Age? I'm 23 gargoyle years, Miriam's thirtysomething human years, and since Libby's a creation of Coyote and not myself, you'll have to ask him how old he is.

Deuce> Extremely kewl spell! (Maybe I should have gone for that instead of the Demona-like transformation spell. Wonder if I can get a trade-in.)

Well, now to do what I came here to do. SJ? [The screen switches to a view of somewhere aboard the Dark Star. SJ is there, and behind him is an enormous tank of the clone degenerative virus.] Have all the approved clones been inoculated with the vaccine? [SJ nods.] Good. Spread the virus. [SJ presses a key on a control panel, and a pump sucks all the viral gas out of the tank and into several modified torpedoes. Another key press, and the torpedoes are launched, traveling to equidistant points over the surface of the earth before detonating and spreading the CDV all over the world. The screen switches back to Wilek and company.] Whew, it's over. No more psychotic clones.

Heather> How many gargs are in this clan? What are their genders? Perhaps I can help with names.

Fave TGS ep: Timedancer "Requiem". Fave TGS character: All of them. ^_^

Ultimate System Crasher Demon> I don't think so. [Wilek's half-Fey friend Anoth Mitaxis stalks into the CR and telekinetically pulls the Demon (who snuck back in after being chased out) out of the system before frying it to a crisp with lightning.] Thanks.

[Liberty comes into VCN HQ and yanks real hard on Wilek's ponytail. "DON'T CALL ME LIBBY!" Liberty stalks out.] OW! Yeesh, sorry.

Theresa> What exactly does Nyle Unlimited do? Is it a defense contractor or something?

Must get back to this. [Several Ninjas leap out at the group and begin firing assault weapons at them; Orion throws holy water on them and they burst into flames.] That was close. [The screen shuts down.]
Wilek Nereus
Saturday, October 17, 1998 06:52:57 PM
IP: tnt-1-220-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Well Deuce, you did ask. IRL I'm 46, run a respectable cathouse, and love to make costumes.

I am Ayesha Nyle of Nyle Unlimited. Half human and half alien. The better part of three thousand years old and don't look a day over 26.
My mothers people are in a small star cluster on the far side of the galaxy. My gifts are full healing empath, ability to open a teleport gate, and a rarely used temporal teleport ability.
I am also a full trained genetist and computer tech. Ayesha is 5'6", 120#, violet eyes and platinum blonde hair usually worn extremely long.
Let's not forget the music gift and that her magics are not terran magics.

That's both sides of me.

Starsinger


Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, October 17, 1998 06:18:54 PM
IP: proxy-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net

Deuce: You're 14??? Wow, I thought you were a lot older. You're pretty mature, you know that?

By the way, I'm human. An "Occasionally" Mad Scientist to be precise.

DarkAngel: Welcome! Glad to have someone new into the wild , wacky, and wonderful world of the Gargoyles.
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Saturday, October 17, 1998 05:40:26 PM
IP: 207-172-45-197.s197.tnt5.brd.erols.com

**The Buena Fighting Colts football team is still running around in the background, practicing and acting macho like all football guys do. Ravyn is watching them** Hey, all!

Coyote> Don't worry, I was just kidding. I'm sure the guy won't ever want to beat up any of my friends. :) Besides, if you could be a lineman, you could probably take him. He's the "lonesome kicker." ;)

Deuce's Poll> Well, my character Ravyn is a half-human half-garg clone of Elisa & Goliath. Clicky on my name if ya wanna see the really cool picture of me that Coyote did! (The other guy in the pic is Ravyn's best friend/love interest Alex Wonder)

**At the mention of Alex, a red-headed football player comes forward, looking a little jealous.** Ack! I better quit talking now before I make my real-life best friend/love interest _too_ jealous! ;)
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Saturday, October 17, 1998 04:22:52 PM
IP: svm-ts1-5.c2i2.com

*strolls in, humming happily* Ah, good day, everyone. I'm in a good mood today. Eleven hours of sleep will do that to someone. (No, I'm NOT a clone). I went from computer to bed last night, and am now back on the computer. Leisure surfing only, today. *sighs* But I haven't been getting any e-mail lately. At least I can feel better about not checking it tomorrow.

COYOTE> Translation is bang on. Friend of mine from University of Calgary came up with it. He explained to me once the EXACT effects of caffiene on you, and why it does that. The heightened alterness is caused by stimulation of the adrenal gland, etc., etc. Turned me off coffee for about twelve hours.

My Age: 14, but you'd never guess. I've been estimated (IRL, by some very sane people) to be anywhere from 15-18; on the 'net to be up to 21. I'm a sophomore (we call 'em "tenth-graders" up here in Canada) in a cool high-school with a great girls-to-guys ratio. (4:1, or thereabouts).

New Poll: This is getting a little confusing. How about everyone posts their RP-species? (Garg, human, fey... *looks at Theresa*... alien, whatever). For the record, I'm a gargoyle with a spell on me. I can select my form (human, gargoyle, stone) at will, with a catch. Being a gargoyle by day is doable, but it's hard on my eyes. If I turn to stone at any time, regardless of the state of the sun, I stay that way until the next sunset. (This is how I can walk or fly in and out of here at all hours).

If you want a physical description and character sketch of my RP persona (Deuce), e-mail me. That's my real addy down there.

*Deuce strolls out, humming "Tom's Diner"*
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Canada Saturday, October 17, 1998 03:40:38 PM
IP: dialin041.connect.ab.ca

Actually, Jared Koon has a cheetah gargoyle in his fanfics but his stories are set in the Pacific Northwest. As for African-sounding names, I use one of my baby name books. My fave has them defined by ethnic roots and definition. *L* One of the strange perks of motherhood.
Spike
Saturday, October 17, 1998 08:46:26 AM
IP: dal-as1-1216.cmpu.net

Heather for a real good book on African clothing and jewlery check out Africa Adorned. I borrowed a copy from our library and it is broken down according to geographical areas. Shows beautiful pictures of clothing and jewlery lots and lots of pictures. As for names, maybe checking the name books in the library would help. I've seen some ethnic type name books in the reference section. I was looking for Scottish/Irish at the time so didn't note if there were any African. Hope this is some help.

Sailor Moon?? I couldn't stand the annoying brat at first. But the cat won me over as well as the other scouts. I was always mad because I never did find out if the even more annoying brat from the future daughter ever go back home.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Saturday, October 17, 1998 03:44:09 AM
IP: proxy-331.public.rwc.webtv.net

*** The CR suddenly lights up with and is dominated by the image of a certain powerful Unseelie ruler. "Fools!!" he shouts. "I am Madoc, Lord of the Unseelie Court, and the preventer of information services!!" Green energy begins to build around him as he intones "I summon the Ultimate System Crasher Demon!!!" A small manically and evilly grinning gremlin appears before him, then scampers off to do its dirty work. Madoc laughs maniacally and claps his hands together, glad his latest plan is succeeding so well, then vanishes into the thin air from which he entered. **

** About fifteen minutes later, DumlaoX and several other TGS web admins come running in chasing away the gremlin with brandished cardboard tubes and screams of "Out, out, you ultimate system crash demon!" After they have chased away Madoc's underling, and gone back upstairs to keep the system going, everything returns to normal in the Comment Room. **

(Sorry, I had to get that out of my system. I'll leave now.)
An Evil Spawn-Inspired Personage
Saturday, October 17, 1998 01:53:34 AM
IP: hd55-078.hil.compuserve.com

okay, let's see... First kiss, age five. But if you mean a real one that counts? Uh, not yet... Age? 16, and still have to kill two years of High School... First driven car? An '84 Z... First crash? none yet, thankfully. Fave unseelie? Maybe Loki, because he has that Puckish quality about him, and has ties to Brooklyn. And here's a new set of questions to throw on. Favorite character, fave animated episode and fave TGS episode? My fave character is Brooklyn. From the show, Temptation, or Kingdom. And for TGS... I don't know, they're all very good... Maybe the Sorceror's Apprentice? If not that, then whatever one is the most recent...
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, Texas, US
Saturday, October 17, 1998 01:26:23 AM
IP: spider-tj031.proxy.aol.com

(Brian is watching the rest of the BR's from a roof top ready to offer emergency Evac. to those who need it .)

Sorow : I am in 6th Form , or if that means nothing to you , 13th Grade . And I'm 16 , 17 on December 10 .

Dark Angel : Welcome to the club .

(Brian refoccuses his attention on the BR's as it looks like they're about to go in .)

Sorry about the double post .
The Rolling Calf / Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Saturday, October 17, 1998 01:04:39 AM
IP: 208.11.41.195

(Brian is watching the rest of the BR's from a roof top ready to offer emergency Evac. to those who need it .)

Sorow : I am in 6th Form , or if that means nothing to you , 13th Grade . And I'm 16 , 17 on December 10 .

Dark Angel : Welcome to the club .

(Brian refoccuses his attention on the BR's as it lloks like they're about to go in .)
The Rolling Calf / Brian
Saturday, October 17, 1998 01:03:02 AM
IP: 208.11.41.195

Thanks again.
I was thinking of them like living in the Savannah of Africa. Leanna is like is one of the young adults of the clan. That's why she's in a loin-cloth outfit. But I haven't decide of who to be leader.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Saturday, October 17, 1998 12:15:28 AM
IP: 200-244-143.ipt.aol.com

<A black-clad man comes out of the shadows. He wears sunglasses, a black T-Shirt, black army pants and a black trenchcoat.>

Hi guys. This is my first post in the comment room. I discovered this page this summer, and it took me a while to read the Gargoyles, Pendragon and Timedancer episodes. I'll start on Dark Ages eventually, though i'm not a big fan of medieval type stories. I like the flashbacks in Gargoyles, but a whole serie of them? Oh well, it's just my opinion.

The Rising was a great episode, period. Some of you guys should go work for Disney and revive the serie <grin>.

A little description of me: I'm a 19 year old Quebecer, big fan of Gargoyles ever since I saw my very first episode. I had to wait for reruns to see the first few episodes though, cuz I arrived a little late in the first season.

Interests: Roleplaying games (Shadowrun is my favorite), listening to loud punk rock music (none of that commercial garbage they play on radio for me), going to punk concerts whenever I can, surfing the 'net and just about do anything with computers.

Currently studying Computer Science at Université de Sherbrooke (you gotta like those French names ;)). Yes, I like 'puters so much I want to program them...

Political affiliation: none (technically, libertarian and/or anarchist)

Religious affiliation: none (technically, atheist)
DarkAngel - [DarkAngel@BAAWA.org]
Quebec, Canada
Saturday, October 17, 1998 12:08:46 AM
IP: xp11-1-3-03.interlinx.qc.ca

Some very interesting comments going around. Well anyway, does anyone know of any good King Arthur books? Or some books on mythology? I love to get find information on these subjects and I can't get enough. :)
oh and for that survey...
First kiss-I was in the 3rd grade. Yes it was good.
Best kiss-Hmmmmm...I'll have to think about that one.
First Drive-I was 13 and it was a mini-van...did you know that you should aways make sure that the parking brake is released? (just a joke)
Damage-well I put a small dent in the driver's side door while backing up (long story)
I'm 19 and I'm currently in college.
Jaden/David - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:54:28 PM
IP: pm1-3.sma.silcom.com

Alright, I just realized I contradicted myself. First I said I'd read stories where Uwaine has an axe, then I said I didn't. Ugh! To finally clear up this issue, I have seen many pictures that show him carrying one and I have read a few King Arthur stories (I can't recall where I found them) where he was carrying an axe but used his sword primarily. I also think it goes without saying that all good knights should carry axes as well as daggers and swords. With all the traveling they do, they need some kind of weapon that can easily chop firewood. So Uwaine had an axe for that, and maybe as a secondary weapon. At least, that's the impression I got from reading the legends I have about him. (I'll have to read more before I write the story, prior to now I wasn't even aware he and Owain were the same guy.) Agony really has the axe more for his executioner image than his knightly past life. Okay, let's drop this thread now, all that can be has been said. At least, as far as I know.
Doug
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:45:59 PM
IP: hil-dnppj-018.oh.compuserve.net

One last thing ...

Ravyn: I'm sure he won't. If he did, though I'm sure I could hold my own (if I had played football, which I didn't, more than likely I would have been a lineman.), so there's no worries about my well-being.

Now I'm *really* audi.
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:41:35 PM
IP: 207.91.254.31

Todd: I've never really read a King Arthur story where Uwaine used any weapon but a sword. I have seen a lot of pictures that were supposed to be of him and/or the knight who I think was his student and squire, Percival. Both of them are carrying axes in addition to swords in practically all the pictures. Sorry, I don't remember where I found those pics. The Green Knight was also an inspiration factor for Agony's character, I think in the Gargoyles version of the legend the Green Knight was probably an Unseelie. Let's try to drop this King Arthur thread now, alrighty? I'm getting a little sick of talking about it.

My Age: Kitainia and I are both 19, going on 20.
Doug
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:40:50 PM
IP: hil-dnppj-018.oh.compuserve.net

**Coyote stumbles into the room to add:**

Okay, so I didn't go to sleep right away.

SOROW: I just turned 23 two weeks ago, and I'm out of college after an unsuccessful 4 1/2 years.

Must go.

**Coyote yawns loudly, stumbling back out the door.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:39:12 PM
IP: 207.91.254.31

**Ravyn comes dancing into the comment room, nearly knocking over anyone in her path** Hello, all!

SOROW> I'm 592...no, just kidding. If ya really must know, I'm actually 16 and I'm a junior in high school. ;)

Coyote> No problem, man. You looked a little depressed and I had to help ya cheer up. Now I just hope my 'first kisser/secret significant other' doesn't mind...;) After all, he is a football player and he might get the whole team to track me down...

**The Buena High School Varsity Football Team comes crashing through the comment room, and Ravyn grins** Uh oh, that would be my first kisser now...Better run! Good night, all! **Ravyn sprints out with the team**
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:32:11 PM
IP: svm-ts3-12.c2i2.com

I'll stop using my old name soon.
First Kiss: age 15 with the first boyfriend I've ever had! (Now my ex)
Was it good? Kinda wet, but after I broke up with him I found out how nasty he really was!
First car: I get my brother's on my b-day(Nov.18). We call it the pirate ship. The cannon and plank were too expensive though.

Hey, everyone!!!!!Out of curiosity, post how old you are now!Am I right most of us are in high school or just into college?
SOROW/Allison
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:13:40 PM
IP: usr3-1-dialup25.mix1.irving.cw.net

**Coyote enters the room fuming.**

Sorry if I'm a bit upset, but somebody just tried to e-mail me an obscenely large file attachment that crashed my mail program. Grrr .... anyway I've got a bunch of messages bottlenecking on the server and the ISP's closed, and I won't be able to call them until tomorrow evening because of work and things I'm mentioning later. I'll be brief (I work at 7am tomorrow).

Homosexuality tangent: I'm not even going there.

Ravyn: Thanks. I needed that.

Deuce: I think that translates to "I think that I think, therefore I think I am." Right?

Heather: Go for it. If I can create a Detroit clan that lives in a junkyard and has a driving doggoyle **Buick barks** you can certainly create a Clan Africa.

Wilek: Thanks for the vaccine. Coyote the Gearhead has been sufficiently vaccinated for the oncoming clone apocalypse.

Doug: There's plenty of vaccine to go around. Besides, I need some for an ... upcoming incident ... in my fics ... that I already told Spike about ... involving that retro-virus Rosanna has. Anything more and I'd have to kill you, it's that secret.

Anyway, I'm going to be out and about after work tomorrow. Any Detroit-area fans in here (FS? LM?), I would love to meet you tomorrow afternoon, say 4:30 at Gibraltar Trade Center North (Mount Clemens). The occasion? I'm having my Lexington vinyl peel-on made, and would love an opinion on it from my fellow fans. If you're in the area or at the place itself, look for a wide-bodied man wearing a Michigan State Band jacket and a Red Wings jersey standing next to a signage booth: that'll be me.

(and I'll be sure to take pictures and post them for everybody's opinions, too!)

I'm audi. Must sleep, long day tomorrow.

**Coyote leaves. Nothing really special.**


Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:03:44 PM
IP: 207.91.254.31

[No Blaisism, just quick replies.]
Heather> One example of African clothing (Or it might be from India; I'm not sure) is a puondum, which is a sort of brightly-colored kilt-looking thing. Or you could always have them in loincloths; that's a good garg fashion. For Africa, they might be cloth or beaded, instead of leather like the ancient Scottish gargs wore. If you have them in northern Africa, you might want to put them in Egyptian wear; I can make up some pretty kewl Egyption-sounding names.

Doug> Thanks for the info and correction.
Wilek Nereus
Friday, October 16, 1998 10:41:43 PM
IP: tnt-1-88-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

:: smiles :: Thank you Brian. That's very nice of you.
I got some pics of real animals and I'm drawing one of them as I speak.
But what should they wear ? What kind of african clothes are there?
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, October 16, 1998 10:16:53 PM
IP: 206-16-115.ipt.aol.com

In my opinion, of course....
Deuce
Canada Friday, October 16, 1998 09:57:12 PM
IP: ppp112.connect.ab.ca

DOUG> Exactly. Believe it or not, I DO agree with almost everything you said, and am too tired to contradict you on the things I don't agree with. I've been on the computer for four hours already, and I have to put in another four before bed (mostly work, little play). So I hereby end our morality thread before we seriously -- ah -- TICK each other off! *pulls out scissors and snips this discussion thread* Anyone continuing this topic will be shot. Thank you.

RE: CLONES> Oh, good. This is starting to get grating. For the record, I got run over by 2 Wilek centaurs and 3 Coyote centaurs. The next day, I suffered the pain of morphine withdrawl. As for the fate of the centaur clones: both Wilek Centaurs and a Coyote were vaporized by something blue and glowing (anyone want credit?), and the other two Coyotes were reduced to hamburger meat by a really big gun.

Now, back to work!
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
CanadaFriday, October 16, 1998 09:54:56 PM
IP: ppp112.connect.ab.ca

DOUG - Uwaine used an axe? Where was that? I'm afraid that I don't recall any legends where that was his weapon. (In fact, the only axe that I recall from the Arthurian legends was the one in the story of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight).
Todd
Friday, October 16, 1998 09:54:15 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-86.primary.net

(Doug appears on the monitor, leading the Ravens toward a large dingy tenement in the heart of South Austin's most gang-ridden neighborhood. Miriam and Wilek are accompanying them.)

Thanks for coming along, Wilek. Our first fight with the bad guys in this RP saga was really aided by Miriam and you. We are in your debt! Now we are headed for the headquarters of the gang. Let me tell everyone more about them, so Wilek knows what he's writing. The VCNs, mostly composed of Hispanics and Mexicans (note, I have nothing against these sorts of people IRL, unless they're jerk idiot violent criminals like practically everyone in this gang is), are a local Austin gang full of violent idiotic jerks who the Ravens have had a few conflicts with. Their colors are black and green. We don't know who their leaders are, but in this Rp saga they will be a guy named Guilliermo (named after the most annoying cast member in my Spanish language textbook) who's kind of like Dracon in personality and his amigo Jose, who is just a big thug and little more than that. Hope nobody gets offended by this Blaise-ism saga.

SJ and Coyote: Please see that Thailog, the other Gargoyles clones, Sevarius's many various clones, Guod, and Asil are among the clones who get that vaccine. Many writers, myself included have plans for them we would not like to see interrupted by your virus. BTW, that virus was in "Hunter's Moon," not CoS.

Brian: The actor Brian Thompson, who is known for playing numerous thug types in action movies and the X-Files Alien Bounty Hunter, was also a big influence on Seth's character. The spike-handled machete Seth uses is partly a direct reference to the similar weapon employed by Thompson's Night Stalker character in the movie Cobra, starring Birgitte Nielsen and Sylvester Stallone. He also likes the knife, and is at least as good with it as any Jamaican coconut man. Another reason he has it is to accent his brutality. The shotgun is a direct reference to the inspirations of Duke Nukem and Ash, the machete is for the Night Stalker, they're both very brutal weapons. That's why Seth uses them. If you're curious about Agony's electric hand and axe as well, he uses the axe because Uwaine used one in most Arthurian legends I've read about him and because he's an executioner. The hand was partly inspired by Max Radl's lack of a left one in The Eagle Has Landed, partly by Luke Skywalker's synthetic hand, partly by all the cybernetics I've already seen in gargoyles, and partly by the King Of Fighters video games' character Heidern's ability to shoot electric bolts from his hands and the last boss of Virtua Cop 2's ability to shoot similar bolts and electrified rockets. (Both video game characters were major influences on Agony's current fighting style, and the latter game also helped inspire the looks and ideas for many of the Commandos including the Thompsons, Weston, Donovan, Tomlinson, Sheppard, Stewart, the Jetpack Squadron, Sameer, and the Caterkiller tractor-tank. Play the game and you might see them.) But mostly Seth and Agony have the weapons they do because they fit in with their characters, and I think they're very cool and appropriate weapons, as have my readers so far.

Deuce: As far as we're concerned, our relationship is between the two of us and whoever else we choose to talk about it with. (That doesn't include you right now.) God isn't really a factor. He is important to us, but we don't know what he thinks, nor do we pretend to (unlike many people). We just live our lives as best we see fit to, and mostly don't care if anyone gets mad at us for it. We also both have faith that God will understand and tolerate whatever we do, unless of course it was flat out wrong in our opinions (and both of us have done a lot of that stuff, though for the past few years and the rest of our lives we have been and intend to continue not doing it). What some of God and Jesus Christ's so-called followers (I speak of Pastor John, Sister Sue, Trent Lott, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and people like them here, not anyone from this CR) think of us and our lifestyles, we care even less. (God deliver us from those who are your followers in name but not in practice, lifestyle, and emotion!) We'll keep you in the dark about our relationship, I'm sure you either can guess or rather would not know much about the things we do with our lives. Out of respect for that and other people who feel similarly, we'll only when we're directly asked or it's really needed discuss them in this comment room.
(Note: this entire comment to Deuce is only my opinion.)

SJ: I completely agree with your view on homosexuality, except that my reasons for not liking it are rooted in personal opinion, not religion. I still see people as human, no matter their sexual orientation, and have little or no problem with whatever their choice IRL. Now let's please drop this subject. :)

Okay, that's all for now. Later!
(The Ravens and their friends sneak up to the VCNs' headquarters, where Keith and Tricia quickly dispatch the door guards with an invisiblity-aided knockout and a quick psionic blast. The screen goes blank as they hide the guards' bodies in a nearby alley and then head into the building.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, October 16, 1998 09:46:59 PM
IP: hil-dnptg-103.oh.compuserve.net

This is a late entry, but my apologies to Tod. When I first read " The Rising" I used a link under your name or e-mail, or something, and was able to read them. I had just assumed that you had a web page.
Now, I was wondering if perhaps I may be looking at the wrong archive. The archive I used to view the pics for TGS had the same pics form last season and not the new season. Are the new pics still being added, or am I ecperiencing a problem with links? I was also wondering if you guys, or whoever runs the stories for TGS were even going to do Dark Ages at all. I hear talk about it but see no real promises. I am very eager to see how Goliath becomes the second in command and how he becomes involved with Demona. I am also curious about events pertaining to Asrial and Atalanta.
For Gargoyles, everyone by now knows that I am into Elisa and Goliath. But I was also curious about Thailog. At what point will he enter the series, and will we see more of Macbeth? It's a pain to respond, especially to me I guess, but I am just curious.
Shauntell - [sgargoyle9]
Friday, October 16, 1998 09:44:11 PM
IP: spider-to043.proxy.aol.com

Oi, the trouble I have caused.

I'm sorry for opening this particular can of worms. I said what I said about Sailor Moon cause I know there was a big controversy a while ago about a couple of the characters being gay (and of course, like Doug said, there are _numerous_ pics and stories out there on the web...sometimes I think the 'Net was created just for smut). I was kinda joking around, but it wasn't a very funny joke, and I'm really sorry.

As for homosexuality, like it's been said by far smarter people (I can think of Kitiana as one...darn, I still think of you as Lisa!) this isn't really the place for that. It's a gargoyle comment room, we shouldn't have to worry about the serious moral questions of the world in here, cause it's just too hard. Besides, as almost happened here, people can get upset when their own beliefs are questioned/contradicted. Please, hermanos y hermanas! We're all friends here. No matter what your beliefs, you got a place here where we can all come together as friends.

As for my own beliefs on homosexuality (I know, I'm being a hypocrite, saying that we shouldn't talk about it, and here I am keeping the flame going, but I just wanna wrap up the debate), I think that a person can live there life as they wish. I may not agree with it, for whatever reason (in my case, years of religion) but that's no reason not to love, care for, or treat that person just like any other human being, with dignity and respect. However, I do really have a problem when someone tries to do something like that play, I think it's called Corpus Christi? I think that's just asking for trouble. Plus, even though it may not (or may, I don't know) be the intent of the play's production team, they have to know that they're gonna piss of a whole bunch of people by putting on the play. So just don't do it.

Whoo, enough seriousness.

Wilek: Glad to finally kill them clones! They've been driving me nuts for _days_ now!
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Friday, October 16, 1998 09:12:13 PM
IP: 207-172-120-133.s133.tnt14.brd.erols.com

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH , I posted in purple .
The Rolling Calf / Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Friday, October 16, 1998 08:33:36 PM
IP: 208.11.41.207

Heather : I might be able to help you with those names . My sis-in-law is a Nigerian and should have some pretty cool ones .

Things I'd like to see in TGS - A story with Fang and what he's been up to since we last saw him . Developments with Sharon and the rest of the mutates . Lex stray further from the way he was in Future Tense (That's the thing I'm most afraid of happening ) and believe me , the way Brookly acts around him does nothing to help . Sarah if your use for her is not yet finished . An explanation as to what happened with Brooklyn in Egypt .

Doug : What gave you the idea to give Seth a Machette anyway . Out here , the coconut men are really good with machettes , you would'nt believe the skill these guys have with them , after all there's a reason why despite the fact that they carry thousands of dollars home for a days sales , they are never robbed .
The Rolling Calf / Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Friday, October 16, 1998 08:32:27 PM
IP: 208.11.41.207

[The screen shows that Wilek, Miriam, Doug, and Kitainia have managed to get into a firefight with the Vayas Comos Ninjas youth gang. Wilek speaks.] Miriam and Doug have summoned help from the Dark Star and the Black Ravens; I hope they get here in time. We're not sure where Shallow Mouth got to; I hope the Ninjas didn't get him.

[The TV announces that Hyena has killed and stripped the skeletons of Ellen DeGeneres and Anne Heche. Shenzi the caterer turns it off as she comes in, a tray of rather odd looking steak sandwiches in hand.] Those look a little off, Shenz. ["I agree. I'd better take 'em to bio-haz."]

Heather> I like all your ideas. I would suggest a lion-goyle and a tiger-goyle, but those would look too much like Leo and Claw, and you probably want to be more original.

You know, speaking of new clans, my parents have told me that my grandparents were from some huge clan in Kentucky. I never found out why they migrated to where we live now.

Someone's been making MORE STINKIN' CLONES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I think I'll give up numbering the clones of Coyote and myself and just catalogue them. I apparently have a Centaur, a Clinton, a Kevorkian, and a third Fieger. Ack. (I'll bet the centaur looks pretty kewl though.) Which ones of these have died, who did it, and how? I'm keeping track of that.

Deuce> <<I heard about that play. I'm sorry, but I find that to be totally sacreligious, and even blasphemous>> <<I have a problem with ALL PEOPLE who have sex outside of marriage>> I am exactly the same way. The author of that play will burn in Hades if I have to send his filthy, miserable soul there myself. I've had to do it before, and Oberon only knows how many times Miriam has.

Kitainia <<Views on Homosexuality: This is not the place to mention things like this, IMO.>> I'll drink to that!

Green Baron> So, your character in the Catholic Scouts thing would be more of a father figure to the scouts. Kewl. Possible scout names: Ave, Madonna, Magnificat, San Madre (I would have done that one in Latin but I don't know enough), and Maria. Villains: Geoffery Fieger or Marilyn Manson.

It's time to finish this clone madness. SJ? [SJ walks in, with a canister of the carrier virus from City Of Stone, armed with a clone-degenerative virus and a canister of vaccine, which he gives to Coyote.] Coyote, have someone inject that vaccine into any clones you want to keep. When you're done, tell SJ to break the canister and spread the virus (which is harmless to non-clones). This is where it ends.

Well, we have to--YES! [Wilek sees the Black Ravens arrive on the Silhouette chopper, and simultaneously, Dark Star stormtroopers jetpack in from the TIE landing craft hovering overhead. The combined forces are enough to make the gang retreat. Shallow Mouth comes out of where he's been hiding since the bar fight.] Now we're getting somewhere! Look out, Dark Guardian! We're comin' for ya! [The screen goes blank.]
Wilek Nereus
Friday, October 16, 1998 08:32:24 PM
IP: tnt-1-88-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

DOUG> Just remember, I don't judge what I don't know about; what I don't know can't hurt me, etc. Not to sound rude, (and trust me, it's not meant to be), but I don't care about your personal lifestyle. Your relationship is between you, Kitainia, and God. Notice how the word "Deuce" is not in there. *grins*

Seeya around, man.
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
Canada Friday, October 16, 1998 07:16:56 PM
IP: ts1385.connect.ab.ca

Deuce: Okay, glad you didn't get mad. Your view of God and sexuality is far from mine, very far, but I won't talk about it. You're obviously the kind of person who'd have problems with Kitainia and my relationship, unfortunately. In respect for that, we'll try to keep it out of our posts now that you've joined our little crowd.
Doug
Friday, October 16, 1998 07:03:20 PM
IP: hil-dnptp-043.oh.compuserve.net

My bad. I mean meerkat. Stupid me. Like what Timon is from "The Lion King".
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, October 16, 1998 07:00:14 PM
IP: 167-244-12.ipt.aol.com

Heather: Sorry I can't help you think up names for the African clan. I have created a clan once before, for WCC, but it's nothing like what you have. Clan Austin is composed of all Western-type gargoyles. Guadalupe the leader is a John Wayne type and cowboy gargoyle, Brazos looks like the GWT Longhorn gargoyle and is a noble drunk cowboy type, Bluebonnet is a dance-hall girl type gargoyle, Trinity a big whining type of female garg, Jacinto a womanizing and wisecracking Mexican horse garg who likes violence a little too much, Red is a big armadillio-like gargoyle beast, and Alamo is a hugely muscled deaf-mute dressed in farmer's overalls. Original, yeah, sorta. But nowhere near what you have planned. Sigh. Oh well.
Kitainia
Friday, October 16, 1998 06:59:17 PM
IP: hil-dnptp-043.oh.compuserve.net

*cringes, raises hands* Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to offend anybody. Yeah, that's just my opinion.

DOUG> No offense taken. Actually, thanks for correcting me. I have a tendency to speak prior to thinking, and this gets me in heaps of trouble. To enlighten you: I define "homosexual mindset" basically as saying that you are homosexual, having a "gay" attitude, being sexually attracted to members of the same sex... you get my point, I hope. The point I was making earlier is that, regardless of sexual orientation, God expects all unmarried people to remain celibate. ANY kind of sex outside of marriage is a sin; homosexual sex (that sounds kinda funny) is also a sin. Well, that's what I believe, and what my parents, etc., believe.

Let me now say that I have no problem with gay people at all (unless guys start hitting on me, then I get a little annoyed). As a matter of fact, one of my close friends is a lesbian. (We actually have similar taste in women). I have a problem with ALL PEOPLE who have sex outside of marriage. I don't condemn them immediately, I just don't approve of their actions.

This is only my opinion.

KITAINIA> Well, if you want to be picky, I had my first kiss when I was 5, in my treehouse, with a friend from kindergarten. We were playing house, and she leaned over and kissed me (on the lips, FYI). But my first REAL, ROMANTIC one was at 13.

Have an awesome weekend!!
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
CanadaFriday, October 16, 1998 06:54:23 PM
IP: ts13110.connect.ab.ca

Thanks you guys . :: blushes ::
Well I got your opinions on it. And I'm going to make those pics. Maybe write stories too. I'm a pretty good writer.
But I need names for them. African names , maybe.

JD > Only Uranus and Neptune are.....lesbi. I think anyway.

But I need help. If you can help , e-mail me.

Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, October 16, 1998 06:46:33 PM
IP: 167-244-12.ipt.aol.com

Todd: That's exactly the way I intend to decipt Arthur in my fanfic. Thanks for the info about Hadrian's Wall, I did know that about it. I also know that the Picts were one of the main enemies those Roman soldiers were stationed in the North of Britain to handle.
Doug
Friday, October 16, 1998 06:38:28 PM
IP: hil-dnptp-043.oh.compuserve.net

(Suddenly a loud roaring noise echos from inside the bar, sounding like a mixture of Demona's angry snarl and the Xena battle cry. Then several screaming drunks rush or are flung out, followed by Doug, Kitainia, and about ten bikers all brushing their hands together and clapping each other on the backs. All but Kitainia then walk back into the bar, while she steps foreward to fill out her survey answers.)

Good thing I was in there catching up on old times with my Hell's Angel friends. Otherwise, Doug might have had to fight those guys all by himself. We'll get a break in the burglary case soon, hopefully. Right now, still nothing.

First kiss: I got mine at age 11, but it wasn't any kind of record or anything. Some girls in my class got theirs when they were a lot younger. (I think seven years old was our record.) Yeah, it was good.
Best kiss: That I got at age 19, about three weeks ago from Doug. It really brightened my spirits after the dismal day I'd had, and yes, it was excellent!

First car: a blue Dodge Viper was what I learned to drive in, but I really don't drive cars much anymore. I prefer my motorcycle.
Car Damage or Accidents: None so far, thank goodness.

First Motorcycle: a Honda Sportster I quickly lost in an accident. Currently, my bike is a Kawasaki Ninja.
Motorcycle Accidents: I've only had two. The above one that cost me the bike and one spill I took on one. (The Town Lake crash involving Buick I mentioned in here was just an RP Blaise-ism.)
Traffic Tickets: I used to get a whole bunch of them. But I haven't had any in years, I've been very fortunate.

Religion: Same as Doug's, with only a few minor differences.
Views on Homosexuality: This is not the place to mention things like this, IMO. Let's just say I have the same liberal and tolerant views on it Doug does, with only one major difference. (Let's not talk about it in here, people. This is not the place. Ask me by e-mail if you must know. <frown>)

What I'd like to see more of in TGS: Thailog as a villain. Lex and Liz's friendship, as well as Richard and Angela's. More of Brianna, she's a good character. Ditto for Sharon and Dr. Goldblum. Lots more character development for Brooklyn and Sata in Timedancer (the amount we have now is good, but IMO there should be more of it). Timedancer and Dark Ages' new seasons, ASAP. In Dark Ages, I'd also like to see Brother Edmund come back and for them to make sure Asrial has a great death scene (I know it's coming). That's all I want right now, I'll let everyone know if more comes to mind.
Favorite Unseelie: Madoc is cool. I can certainly understand his mindset and appreciate him as a villain. I'd also like to see more of the demon cat, Grimalkin. He has been very entertaining in his few appearances. (Just please don't do any eps where he turns Cagney or the Mutates against Elisa!)

Okay, that's all I came to say. Later!
(Kitainia turns and walks back into the bar as the screen loses its picture.)
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Friday, October 16, 1998 06:34:59 PM
IP: hil-dnptp-043.oh.compuserve.net

DOUG - Thanks for the info. (Technically, though, Hadrian's Wall was not actually intended as a defensive barrier against the Picts, but rather, as a sort of headquarters for the Roman soldiers stationed in the north of Britain).

As far as the TGS Arthur is concerned, in my view, at least, he's a blend of the medieval Arthur and the post-Roman Arthur. We focus on the "medieval Arthur", but get in things like the Saxon invasions.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, October 16, 1998 06:31:23 PM
IP: pn7-ppp-59.primary.net

** The monitor lights up with a scene of Doug about to walk into a large and dingy biker bar called "Hogg Waller's." (Cyber-cookie to the person who can guess where I got the name.) **

Hi, people. I just found out that there's a man calling himself Shallow Mouth (instead of Deep Throat, <grin>) who has info on my case. He wanted to meet me in this bar in a few minutes. I have time to say a few things to y'all first.

SJ: The Sailor Moon girls as lesbos? Well, I have certainly enjoyed reading stories decipting that from some webpages. :) But honestly, I can't see them that way IRL. The show sure makes it clear they're all just friends. Oh well, some of them are probably closet bis. :) That's all I have to say about that.

Todd: I'll probably decipt King Arthur as mostly strictly medieval, though the flashbacks of his reign in Pendragon will play a big part in the way I portray him, the knights, and Camelot. There will be a Pict invasion in my story, because of it Uwaine will lament in one scene that "the wall I built has stopped working!" and make the other knights wonder. <grin> I don't know if I'll decipt the Roman occupation or a Saxon invasion, though. Unseelie, Picts, and Morgana are villians enough.

Brian: Seth's not exactly the same kind of attention-grabber that guy Trinity is. He doesn't really care whether anyone acknowledges his vigilanteism because he does it to help people and kick ass. Johnny Ireland and his Sparks vigilante gang are the ones who also do their work for attention. But Seth has killed literally millions of criminals in his time. And he has survived wounds from pistols, rifles, Uzis, shotguns, particle beam guns, lasers, swords, crossbows, arrows, Gatling guns, rocket launchers, swords, spears, rocks, knives, clubs of all sorts, and even a nuclear blast on one occasion. Of course, he is immortal and only iron can permanently damage his flesh, so it was easy for him to do all that. :) And he's lucky that his facial crescent scars are his only significant ones. Agony has not been so fortunate (mostly due to a nasty shrapnel bomb that hit him when he was Max Radl). Thanks for the interesting story and the myth.

Catholic Schools: I graduated high school from one that I went to in my last two years. It was a very great place. Tough conservative head coach and bishop; and liberal but religious principal, admissions director, counselors, and vice principal. Also, all but one of the religous teachers were liberal but deeply religious (and the one who wasn't ignored us students as much as she could). Sex, drugs, alcohol, and heavy metal music were also very popular, though, and nobody seemed to care. Now that my class is graduated, I've heard they're starting to, partly because the bishop drove out most of the liberal people from the school by the end of my senior year, and the new principal staff are all the same sort of folk he is, as well as his puppets and pawns. (grrr...)

Deuce: According to some people's idea of Christianity, what you said is true. However, to many people such a statement as you made about homosexuality is deeply insulting. Please add a phrase like "this is only my opinion," to any future posts of a religous right nature you plan to make in here, in my experience that tends to lessen any anger people get from reading or hearing them. Also, could you please give your definition of "homosexual mindset" if you plan to mention it as a sin or not? The way some jerks around here define Christianity, any thought of sex being pleasurable, especially any thoughts of homosexuality, are mortal sins. (These are Pastor John's wacked-out beliefs, not mine fortunately.) Sorry if I offend you by saying this, I just have to make sure you don't offend anyone in future with statements like the one you made.

In case anyone is curious, I don't really have an opinion on homosexuality. If people want to live that way, it's their choice, and they can deal with it however they want to. They'll still be my friends, if they were before they decided to become gay or lesbo. Same for family members, though I don't think I have any homosexual ones. Personally, I let each go their own way in most things, sexuality included, as long as they're not hurting anyone by going the way they are. If they are, I step in and help end the hurting. Otherwise, people's sexuality is their business, not mine. That's my opinion on the subject. (BTW, my sexual orientation is hetero, completely. I do know some gays who are okay people, and IMO not the kind of folk who deserve exile to the Lower Planes. Then there was that guy I beat up at summer camp when I was thirteen because he wouldn't stop coming on to me. He was different. In general, as long as homosexuals don't try to justify their lifestyle to me (they don't need to, since the way they live their life is not nor should be my decision or problem) or involve me in it in some way I don't want to be, I'm okay with them.)

From a religous standpoint, I am a Christian; and I view God as a endlessly knowledgable, mysterious, and benevolent sort of person, not a hateful angry judge except when he really needs to be and that is not often at all; I'm also a very liberal deist. I believe that it is up to each person to live their lives as they see fit, and God should only have a place in their lifestyles and decisions if they're willing to let him. I know this is a radical idea, but IMO it's also the most understandable, tolerant, and loving (and therefore the best) religion. To each his own for what kind of higher power they want to believe in and how they want to live their life, as long as they're not hurting anybody and they're okay with what they're doing I have virtually no problem with their decisions.

Okay, that's all I came to say. I'll go meet Shallow Mouth now. Later.

(Doug steps into the bar, and about five minutes later the sounds of a huge fight began to echo from inside. Uh oh.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Friday, October 16, 1998 06:08:55 PM
IP: hd78-075.hil.compuserve.com

<Kyryn runs into the room carrying a large electric pulse cannon. While searching for gremlins,she notices Wilek Clinton wandering around and shoots him on general principle. The light from the pulse cannon arcs out and disintegrates the evil clone>

Hi all. We've still got gremlins in the electric system at work. Hopefully I'll get this post done before we lose power again.

Heather> Cool Pic. A agree with the others, a zebragoyle would also be cool.

Thought about TGS> Could the dragon wars be referring to a conflict between the eastern mythologies and the western ones? China and Japan were both big on dragons in their myths. Japan has legends of dragon kings in the seas, and China of course has imperial dragons.

Well, must run. I'm off line and on the highway for the weekend again.

<Kyryn spots a gremlin hiding behind the CR door and blasts it, but leaves a smoking hole in the wall. She quickly steps through and grabs a wheelbarrow full of bricks and mortar. As she places the last brick, she waves at all the CR dwellers>
Kyryn
Uvalde, TX
Friday, October 16, 1998 04:49:34 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

*goes back reading some old coments*
Oops! Sorry, Jen/"CrzyDemona"!! I like your pics, I just prefer Demona with lips, s'all.
AotN
Friday, October 16, 1998 04:21:54 PM
IP: dialup-103-67.sssnet.com

What is with this picture of Demona?! She has no lips, for god's sake!

Crud, my last post didn't show! *growls*

Deuce> Hey, there, I play the flute and piccolo (which, no offense, is a much better Marching instrument in a high-energy band such as my school has). I'm not a "band fag" either~~> band is considered to be cool at my school because of our old fashioned swing style (with head-bobs and the like).

Heather> Cool, about the gargs. I do that, too. Btw, go with the Zebra~~> fits the African scene better than a falcon, I think.

Thanx, people, for the birthday wishes!! I had a nice B-day. :) I received this really awesome book about Scottish faeries (Hurrah!) with Seelie and Unseelie and such. Very nicely done.

POLL:
First kiss> Last year, and it was nasty (he's my ex, so..:P)
First Car> Soon to get one, after I get my license!!
TGS> Give us DARK AGES!!!
Fave Unseelie> *shrug* Don't have one.

Rising, Pt.2> I'm quite late on this comment, but I liked it a lot, and can't wait for the next one! (But, in truth, I'd rather read DA!!!)
AotN
Friday, October 16, 1998 04:12:42 PM
IP: dialup-103-67.sssnet.com

Thanx, everyone, for wishing me a happy birthday! It was a good one. :) I got a book about Scottish faeries, too! It's got Seelie and Unseelie and all that.

POLL STUFF:
First kiss> 15, and it was nasty, to tell the truth (from my ex, who I really hate now~~> :P).
First car> I don't have one yet, but I will have, once I get my license. Yeah!
Fave Unseelie> *shrug* Don't really have one.
TGS> Bring us DARK AGES, for the love of Gargoyles!!


Heather> Cool, about the garg pics. I do that, too. Btw, go with the zebra, rather than the falcon.
AotN
Friday, October 16, 1998 04:00:08 PM
IP: dialup-103-67.sssnet.com

Hello again.
Well I finished my pic of a African gargoyle . Since my favorite animal is the cheetah , I thought of making a cheetah-like gargoyle. I named her Leanna. How to say "Law-na".
I'm going to make a couple of more gargoyles. With the looks of a meerat , a gazelle , two wild hunting dogs , and maybe a zerba. Or a falcon.
And my homepage is a Sailor Moon page. With the making of my own senshi.
If you got any ideas for african-gargoyles. e-mail me.
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Friday, October 16, 1998 03:09:35 PM
IP: 152.172.181.201

**Ravyn walks in, handing Brian some coffee on her way**

Coyote> *gives him a big hug* Cheer up, lad! Things will get better for you, I know it! And if they don't, you'll always have us to talk to! :)

Heather> I would bet that there are some African gargoyles out there! That certainly would be neat to see!

**Ravyn walks out**
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Friday, October 16, 1998 02:19:15 PM
IP: svm-ts3-4.c2i2.com

Oops. Sorry. The revised motto should read:

"Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum."
Deuce (once more) - [deuce@softhome.net]
CanadaFriday, October 16, 1998 02:12:41 PM
IP: dsle01371.adsl.telusplanet.net

Hi
Um....did I start something because we're talking about Sailor Moon now. <G>
Anyway, I was wondering is there a African clan ? I mean we got Scottish , English , Japanese , that South American Clan , French , and Avalon clans. Why not a African clan ? Because I was been drawing this character that is a African gargoyle. I'll post it when I'm done.


Heather
Friday, October 16, 1998 02:12:21 PM
IP: 152.172.149.73

Green Baron> I heard about that play. I'm sorry, but I find that to be totally sacreligious, and even blasphemous, seeing as how Jesus Christ was without sin, and although a homosexual mindset is not sinful, a homosexual LIFESTYLE is. Therefore, this play sucks.

My thought of the day:
"Cogito, ergo sum." = "I think, therefore I am."
"Cogito cogito, cogito ergo sum." = Figure it out.

P.S. That's my real address up there (finally). Do you know how hard it is to find a good free POP account?
Deuce - [deuce@softhome.net]
CanadaFriday, October 16, 1998 02:11:38 PM
IP: dsle01371.adsl.telusplanet.net

DOUG - One other thing that I was just wondering. In your "Timedancer/King Arthur" story, would you be handling Arthur in pure "conventional medieval" fashion, or would there be elements in it from the "search for the historical Arthur" (i.e., invading Saxons and Picts, a recently ended Roman occupation, Mount Badon, etc.)?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, October 16, 1998 12:24:57 PM
IP: pn2-ppp-59.primary.net

Baron & Sevarius Jr.> If your going to mention them, might as well put down the full facts <naturally! :)> :

The two Outer Senshi(scouts) are two older women (guestimate around 20 years old) by the names Michiru and Hiraku. Hiraku is a former sprinter, and is Sailor Uranus; Michiru is a professional violinist, as is Sailor Neptune.

In truth, this isn't the first example of a "same-sex" relationship in Sailor Moon. Two of the Dark Generals from the first season of Sailor Moon - Malachite and Zoicite - were both male lovers. (to cover this up, the American-dubbed version of SM portrays Zoicite as a woman.) In truth, this sort of theme is not unheard of in some Japanese Anime, because from my understanding, homosexual relationships are more tolorated in Japanese culture than here in the US (or so I was told/observed).

:::reminds himself that he has to eventually get back to his writing of his 'all-male' version of the Sailor Scouts someday:::

Well, that's all for me for today! I'm off to INCON for the next three days, and won't be back on line until sometime monday night. Everyone have fun this weekend!


Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Friday, October 16, 1998 11:22:00 AM
IP: 207.170.232.16

**Green baron returns after an Econ Class.**

Sevarius Jr.> Glad you like the idea. BTW, only two of the Outer scouts are lesbians. The others are quite heterosexual. Your theory about that was used in Broadway's Corpus Christi, where they portrayed Jesus having relations with his apostles. I don't buy either theory, 90s or not. That's just my personal opinion.

I guess you should also know that Dr. Van Helsing was a Catholic and a good friend of Pope Leo XII. He used a snctified host as a weapon against the Count, and I guess the hero should be Catholic, since Stoker was a good Irishman. Every Diocese has a Priest who performs exorcisms, though it is not talked about very much,a nd it is very controversial, but probably needed. Maybe, we should exorcise all those wacko progressive nuns who need to put on their habits :)

Deuce> De La Salle wasn't that liberal, but Bro. Jeffrey, the Principal, was a quasi-marxist who was anti-competition, and a radical egalitarian. Some Catholic schools have lots of problems, though it's better in New Orleans, because they are like public schools in Michigan or good education states.

As for Alchoholism, it is a problem for a lot of priests, especially Irish priests, and a lot of kids at Catholic school are not practciing Catholics, and a lot of Theology teachers teach some progressive AmChurch bullsh*t and pass it off as Doctrine. Luckily, my Religion Classes were pretty Catholic and not soem watered down weak copy.

Happy Birthday Spike and AotN.

**Green Baron leaves**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Friday, October 16, 1998 10:40:02 AM
IP: 141.164.133.102

*Deuce begins to speak, but is interrupted by clones of Wilek and Coyote. They look normal from the waist up, but the have the legs of horses. They are screaming and running away from the various clone-hunters* Uh-oh. Oh, no. SH--! *Deuce is run over by the centaur-clones, who are shortly after blown away by various projectiles and energy beams.*

Ouch. I went to a quasi-Catholic suburban school all my life. Co-ed. Weird thing was, it wasn't THAT Catholic. I mean, the rules were slack; a good 50% of the students had no religion whatsoever; sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll were more popular than they should be ANYWHERE (at least by the end of junior high); finally, our principal was an alcoholic. EVERYBODY know it, including parents. But I turned out all right. Sorta.

Interesting iron theories! I like the most recent one: good imagination! Of course, it remains up to the authors to say which one is valid.

Did any Canadians watch Stargate SG-1 last night? Dwight Schultz (Lt. Barclay, TNG) was on there, with a disgustingly false accent. And, true to form, the spent almost the entire episode in virtual reality.

Gotta jet. I may come back at lunch/tonight, but if I don't, see everybody on Monday! Busy, busy weekend coming up: little brother's birthday party, family get-togethers, and I have to clean my room! 'Bye!

*Deuce limps out, watching for more clones*
Deuce - [kafeen@obsessions.com]
Canada Friday, October 16, 1998 10:18:07 AM
IP: temple.ecs.edmonton.ab.ca

Actually, "Vampire$" by John Steakley is the book that the new movies "Vampires" is based on. It goes into great detail about the Vatican/Vampire Hunter connection. It's a good book. (The fact that most of hte action takes place in Dallas is besides the point.)
Spike
Friday, October 16, 1998 10:14:10 AM
IP: dal-as1-1240.cmpu.net

I always thought Sailor Moon was cool cause she was a lesbian. She is isn't she? I mean, her and like five other girls, always with each other? It's the 90's people.

Green Baron: I don't know about Catholic school girls (although I like the idea) but in the new John Carpenter movie coming out on Halloween they got some Catholic vampire hunters. Have you seen the promos for this flick? It's too cool. I love the idea of a group of Catholic Church-sponsored "slayers." That's some good religion. ;)
Sevarius Jr.
Friday, October 16, 1998 09:12:57 AM
IP: 129.174.56.81

**Green Baron is blasting clones that remain, but soemone has been making more. Wilek Fieger III and Wilek Clinton appear. This could be a longer time than expected**

Coyote> I just thought of the idea. I doubt they would be too similar. I don't even know what names or anything. They're not Sailors. I was thinking of giving them names based upon different titles for the Virgin Mary. Of course, I don't know about their title. "Virgin Scouts" would be taken the wrong way entirely :)

I don't even know who they could battle, except the AmChurch, evil progressive Catholics who pray to a god whose symbol is a ram's head, like Sister Sue :)

Doug> I'm not like Darien. Green baron wouldn't have any romantic relations with any of the scouts. He is much older, too old to be dating High School girls :)

Brian> I've gone to Catholic School since Kindergarten, though every year minus my eighth grade year, it was co-ed. At De La Salle, the school went co-ed after my eighth grade year, because two girl's schools closed and De La Salle was having some problems. The Christian Brotehrs are great teachers, though they are way too liberal for me. I prefer Mother Angelica's wisdom, myself.

**Wilek Fieger III joins Wilek Kevorkian in killing any disabled clones, while Wilek Clinton starts looking for any women in teh Comment Room. Ladies, shoot to kill, unless you need an internship :)**

Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Friday, October 16, 1998 08:56:17 AM
IP: 141.164.72.82

(Brian walks into the comment room . His eyes are puffy from lack of sleep and his movements show extreme exhaustion . )
Must have Coffee .

Doug : Seth reminds me alot of another police man down here that is pretty famous , he's not immortal but he just plain refuses to die . This man's name is Trinity . The man has killed hundreds of criminals , survived being shot with pistols , rifles and shotguns . The guy also loved attention , once he was taking cover in a shoot out and he saw that someone had trained a video camera on him , the guy ran towards the people shooting at him and took them all out .

Green Barron : Well there's a coincidence for you , I too went to a catholic school for 5 years . The all male environment causes way to much machoism in my opinion , it's far less a topic of conversation at this new coed school I'm attending . So hopefully the coincidence will continue and I'll have my first kiss by next year .

Spike / Aotn : Happy Birthday you two , hope it was a good one .

For the benefit of those who asked : A "Rolling calf " is a large powerful humanoid bull , it is said to have chains wrapped around its neck which dag along the road as it walks , that sound is how you know that the rolling calf is coming . This story used to scare the bejesus out of me when I heard chains while walking the dark country road . I am not certain if it is supposed to be a monster or a spirit but to a youth in Jamaica it was one of the most feared creatures .

Survey :
First kiss - Give me a few years and I'll get back to you .
Favourite Unseelie : Madoc . Truly sinister , uncampassionate and ruthless .
First car I drove - I was six , driving my Mothers Lada while my brother worked the pedals and the gear stick .
First car damaged - My Brother's , that brings back some very unpleasant memores . I was reversing out my Mothers Subaru Outback to make room for the car washer and I failed to notice the honda .

Night .
(Brian takes a sip of his Blue Mountain Coffee and immediately perks up . He leaves the room moving to the beat of "Jammin" . )
The Rolling Calf / Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Kingston, Jamaica
Friday, October 16, 1998 02:00:49 AM
IP: 208.11.41.196

Is (was) today (or yesterday) Spike's B'day? I knew the date but it slipped my mind...
Static-Pulse - [khovak@hotmail.com]
Friday, October 16, 1998 02:00:30 AM
IP: dialin8.sel.the-link.net

Wilek: You want to plug your fanfic is much as I do mine, be my guest. Or if you want to keep keeping secrets as you've been doing, that's also groovy. To each his own, and all that. I still keep secrets, too. I reveal a lot, but not everything. And most of what I've said recently has already been revealed and discussed in my fanfic saga, so it's no big deal. Just helping people better understand my universe and ideas. :) The reason I spill my plans is partly to keep people interested and partly to get these ideas on paper so I can keep my saga straight and get more ideas for it as I air what I will do in the future. That helps me write. If it also helps you, do it. If not, don't. It's that simple.

Seth as B.J.: He does look like B.J., a little, but he didn't do all the things B.J. does in Wolfenstein. He just escapes from that castle like B.J. does, stops Fettschgeit's (sp?) chemical warfare plot, and steals a certain powerful artifact from the Nazi Brocken base. No mutant zombies, and Hitler's death was one of the ones Agony enjoyed causing. This will all be revealed in my next story, the identity of the artifact after that sometime (anyone who's played Wolfenstein will know what it is already, please don't say it in here). No, I didn't know that B.J. was related to Commander Keen. But many brash arrogant heroes did help inspire him. Including B.J. Blascowitz (sp?) (who Seth looks like), some of Kurt Russell's characters (who he also looks like and sounds like kinda), Ash from the Evil Dead trilogy (where Seth gets the shotgun, the wisecracks, and the ideal voice), and also Duke Nukem (who Seth looks and dresses like). I never played Commander Keen, so he wasn't an inspiration. Maybe if I had, he would be. :)

Duval: In my fanfic, he's teh last Fisher King, Bedivere. He's not the man who found the Holy Grail, that was Galahad. Galahad then was killed (Grail immortals can still die through violence, they just don't get old, sick, thirsty, or hungry), and passed the mantle on to Percival, who passed it to Bedivere when he grew tired of the demands the Grail put on him. Bedivere took up the task well, but then one day the Grail just disappeared from his study. He has yet to find it again. That's the way it is in my fanfic saga, I doubt it's the same in TGS. <grin>

Coyote: Yeah, Serena is a majorly annoying character. I liked Sailor Moon for Lita and Rei, mostly. The others were all _boring_ and uninteresting stereotypical characters, IMO. (Please don't kill me, Sailor Moon fans!)

We will be careful with the gangs in our RPs, don't worry. I have lots of experience in handling them.

That's all for now. Later!
Doug
Friday, October 16, 1998 12:06:43 AM
IP: hd27-018.hil.compuserve.com

:: walks in , while reading an Animorphs book :: " < That's Galard!> Ax said, < They're speaking Galard !>
< Two questions,> Jake said tersely. < What's Galard , and can they hear us in thought-speak ? And answer the first one first.>
:: looks up :: Oops ! Sorry , I was rereading one of my books , Animorphs #14 : The Unknown. Good and funny book . Girl turns into horse.
That's for that info about the round table. And who was dissing Sailor Moon ?!? :: looks around ::
Well anyway , I was thinking how do you be part of the Staff ? I mean you pick people that can write good stories , I think.
Well I hope the people who wrote "Into the Woods" does another story with Griff and Brianna.
Oh ! I remember now ! I got to chat with Robert Picardo from Star Trek : voyager ! The guy who plays the holo-graphic doctor .
I was so glad that he answered one of my questions.
One down, next to chat with John De Lancie !

:: walks out and reads again ::
" < No. Thet can't hear us. Galard is a sort of universal language by different races throughout the galaxy. It's what people--->"

Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 11:42:52 PM
IP: 212-150-248.ipt.aol.com

**Coyote enters the room, looking much more melancholy than usual. What could be wrong?**

Hi all. I must apologize for my last post, it seems. I did not mean to bring anyone's mood down, and if I did, I amd truly sorry. (No, Ravyn, you did not offend me.)

I'm just feeling a bit low now ... y'see that breakup I mentioned earlier was only about a few months ago and particularly painful (I was damn near engaged to the woman), and I just found out one of my co-workers is expecting ... it just makes me feel lonelier ...

**Suddenly the *real* Coyote runs in the room and blasts this latest Coyote clone with a huge 12-gauge shotgun. The clone, Coyote the Maudlin, sheds one tear and breathes "but I never got to see Paris ..." before expiring.**

Whew. That was close.

Uhhh ... how much did he say? **reads transcript of Coyote the Maudlin's ramblings.** Lordy ... that's the last time I tell a clone anything in confidence. Unfortunately for me, everything he said is true. Ohhh boy ... **starts sweating profusely** Anyway, it's now ... oh, great now I can't remember. I think it's 20 down, 6 to go. Am I right, Wilek?

Anyway, here's my replies to everything. That'll be a trick.

Ravyn: Like the clone said before his untimely demise, I wasn't offended. Surprised maybe, but not offended. By no means offended. And here's hoping things pick up for me, too. God I'm lonely ...

Poll:
First kiss: Well ... the one that probably counts I didn't get until I was 18, halfway through my freshman year in college. With the aforementioned woman. And it was *extremely* awkward ... I think we were both taken by surprise by it (both of us had never had steadies in high school, and in fact were pretty much ostracized. I should have known it would be strange ... it took a funeral to bring us together.).
Favorite Unseelie: Umbriel. I see a lot of potential in his conflicted character ... there I go thinking like a writer again.
First car I drove: '87 Plymouth Sundance, 4 cylinder 2.2 liter turbocharged FI engine, fun to drive ... as long as your mother changes the oil more often than every 25,000 miles (!).
First car I actually owned (in other words, paid for): Lexington ('85 Dodge Charger, 4 cylinder 2.2 liter 2bbl Holley carb, large ding in the driver's side front quarter panel, a real deal at the junkyard for $415.). Blast to drive ... especially now that it has new tires that are at least *close* to the right size. Next thing to do: get the exterior doorhandles working.
Tickets thus far: 0 (though I did get a verbal warning for doing 35 in a 25 zone at 11:30 at night in East Lansing.)
Damaged cars: I got broadsided by a Blazer in the Sundance. It was off the road for about five months before we had enough money to pay the insurance deductible and get the damage fixed (it got a 13-inch nosejob to the right).
Max speed: I got the Tazillac (when it was running) up to about 91 on the expressway ... and I didn't even know it was going that fast until I looked at the speedometer (now THAT'S a smooth ride!).

Doug: Yikes. Good luck. Cuidado (careful) with those gangs ... they can get nasty.
As for inspiration for names ... the only one that really falls into that area that I created for a fanfic was Lina, who's named after a character in the Japanese series "The Slayers" whose character I based Lina on. BTW, "The Slayers" is one of the funniest Japanese animations I've ever had the privilege to own. Every time I pop one of my tapes in I laugh my a** off.

Green Baron: NOO! NOT SAILOR MOON!! AAAAIIIIGHH!!

**composes self**

Sorry. To tell the truth, I never really was a real fan of Sailor Moon, and in fact I thought that Sailor Moon's voice was one of the most irritating I'd ever heard. That's mainly what turned me off from it. But your concept I'm sure doesn't include that voice. Right?

MrNoying: Have you considered trying to hard-code the stories? All you need to do that is Notepad. If you could get them on the Web I would be more than happy to read them.
Speaking of stories, I'm curious, have you heard of/read mine? Just wondering.

Wilek: Need your help, dude. I didn't get a chance to copy/paste the filk before the room wiped (taking it off the last week's room), so could you possbily send it to me in .txt form? Sorry to do this to you.

Jeepers H. Cookies, this post is long. Better cut it short before everybody gets annoyed at me.

**Coyote drags the corpse of Coyote the Maudlin, now starting to draw flies and rats, out of the room. He's *definitely* been yakking too long.**

Oh, before I forget ...

**mass groan from the disgusted folks in the room**

Deuce: Actually, food seems to make me feel *worse* when I'm depressed. For me, I really need to do some serious heavy lifting to break my mood.

Okay, I'll get the stupid corpse out of here!!

**Coyote drags the corpse out. The entire room erupts in cheers, followed by the sounds of 200 air freshener cans spraying into the air.**
Coyote the Maudlin and Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Thursday, October 15, 1998 11:23:09 PM
IP: 207.91.254.82

[The screen shows Wilek, Miriam, and Doug stalking the streets, looking for any evidence that might lead them to the perpetrator of the burglary and the gangs he may be connected to...and most importantly, to the mysterious Dark Guardian.]

Doug> Seth was the inspiration for B.J. Blazcowicz (sp?)? Wow. Who here knows that BJ was the grandfather of Commander Keen? You seem to be spilling a lot about what you plan on doing with your fics. I'm just the opposite; I've been keeping my plans a guarded secret. Maybe I should change that...

Green Baron> Kewl Catholic Scouts idea. Except iron rust wouldn't hurt a Fey. It has to be pure iron; rusted iron isn't actually iron at all, but iron oxide, and useless. As for why it hurts them, here's some information about Fey and Fe (the elemental symbol for iron) that may help...

Greg once said that the Fey are creatures of pure magic. I consider the magic of the Gargoyles universe to be a form of biogenic energy, little different (except in degree; certainly not in kind) from what's tossed about in nuclear reactors, linear accelerators, and bug zappers. Thus, the Fey are essentially sentient, highly organized energy structures, something like Star Trek's Prophets and Q, or Babylon 5's First Ones.

Iron is a ferrous metal, which is actually quite reactive (if slow to react) with other elements; this is why it rusts so readily. In its pure state, which is the only manner in which it can harm a Fey, it doesn't form molecules with other iron atoms; anything made of pure iron is essentially an oversized molecule. Pure iron has a crystalline structure, which may serve to disrupt a Fey's energy patterns, causing accelerated pattern degradation (hence, causing premature aging). Not a complete answer, but as close as anyone's come IMO. Silk has the opposite effect? Hmm, it could act as some sort of energy resonator...

****WARNING--CLAN MANHATTAN SPOILER AHEAD****
Speaking of resonators, Coyote, that was a kewl psionic resonator thing that Sata had in "Bowels".
****END SPOILER HAVE A NICE DAY****

BTW, I've heard that Duval was a friend of King Arthur. Just who was he back then? He was obviously the one who found the Holy Grail, but I don't know who that was. Todd?

Must continue the hunt. [The sceen shuts down.]
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, October 15, 1998 11:01:28 PM
IP: tnt-1-140-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

(Sorry for the double post, I hit submit accidentally before proofreading.)

Todd: Ok, now I see your second post, let me respond to it!

Being the "First Murderer" is just one reason Agony broods. There's also his guilt over having killed so many great men (such as MLK, Abel, and a few others) even though he had his reasons, the loss he feels at seeing all his friends and lovers pass away while he survives and doesn't die, having his true identity commonly percieved as a really bad guy while he's always thought of himself as a hero, the knowledge that he has to keep doing bad stuff in order to achieve good, the fact that people see his mother as evil and his father as good when it was really the other way around; and all the mental, emotional, and physical scars he's accumulated over the millenia. His one real friend is Laura, and he is sure that someday he'll lose her as well. So he broods about all of it. Sigh, what a complex character. :)

Seth, on the other hand, is almost his exact opposite in attitude. Seth doesn't let his past determine his actions in the slightest, he is the more outgoing and optimistic of the two. He's also the more emotional, the more bad-tempered, the more friendly, generally Agony's opposite in every way except gender amd immortality. You'll have to read my stories to know more.

And about Lewis and Clark, I did know that about the two of them. That's part of the reason I made them Agony and Seth. I researched all those identities some before I decided that they were my characters in my fanfic universe. I had to to be sure I was doing the right thing by portraying them as who they are. (grin)

Okay, this is all I'm gonna say. I've said enough, maybe too much. I will go do something else now. Later!
Doug
Thursday, October 15, 1998 10:12:21 PM
IP: hd38-232.hil.compuserve.com

Todd: Ok, now I see your second post, let me respond to it!

Being the "First Murderer" is just one reason Agony broods. There's also his guilt over having killed so many great men (such as MLK, Abel, and a few others) even though he had his reasons, the loss he feels at seeing all his friends and lovers pass away while he survives and doesn't die, having his true identity commonly percieved as a really bad guy while he's always thought of himself as a hero, the knowledge that he has to keep doing bad stuff in order to achieve good, the fact that people see his mother as evil and his father as good when it was really the other way around; and all the mental, emotional, and physical scars over the millenia. His one real friend is Laura, and he is sure that someday he'll lose her as well. So he broods about all of it. Sigh, what a complex character. :)

Seth, on the other hand, is almost his exact opposite in attitude. Seth doesn't let his past determine his actions in the slightest, he is the more outgoing and optimistic of the two. He's also the more emotional, the more bad-tempered, the more friendly, generally Agony's opposite in every way except gender. You'll have to read my stories to know more.

And about Lewis and Clark, I did know that about the two of them. That's part of the reason I made them Agony and Seth. I researched all those identities some before I decided that they were my characters in my fanfic universe. I had to to be sure I was doing the right thing by portraying them as who they are. (grin)

Okay, this is all I'm gonna say. I've said enough, maybe too much. I will go do something else now. Later!
Doug
Thursday, October 15, 1998 10:09:30 PM
IP: hd38-232.hil.compuserve.com

Todd: Oh yes, they've been friends, and enemies. But they are in the end ambivalent towards one another, majorly. "Final Hunt" and "After the Flood" are the two stories that best illustrate their relationship. Currently, Seth is very angry at Agony, and Agony is extremely disappointed in him. My stories intend to keep up these feelings as time goes on. No, immortals are not normal people. :)

I also saw that Lewis and Clark special, it was great and very interesting. If one looks at the expedition through the prism of who Seth and Agony are, it would be a little different, though. They're friends, but they're grudging friends, working together partly because they have to to achieve their mission, partly to help their men survive, and partly because Silvan told them to. Their big falling-out scene in "Final Hunt's" flashback comes shortly after that's over. And at Little Bighorn, well, Seth went into that fight totally blind. He just knew he'd be fighting Indians, not that Crazy Horse was Agony, who'd been ordered to try to kill him (and of course failed). They will meet and fight again in "End to the Rage" (story #15), when that happens be afraid, be very afraid (or as brave as Laura, Rachel, and Elisa will be in that story).

Oh, one last thing. I did consider whether all the identities I gave Seth and Agony would be insults to the actual people. In the end, I decided they weren't. All the identities are just facets of who Seth and Agony are, and help with their character development. Plus, many of the identities were very much like Seth and Agony are in my fanfic's modern time. Custer, Kay, Clark, Lowlight, Decius Brutus, and all Seth's others were all very brash, very violent, and very fanatical men like Seth is. They were also all good planners, but their short tempers won out more often than not. As for Agony, well, Lewis, Uwaine, Thaddeus, Dillinger, Radl, Borgia, etc., were all extremely intelligent, heroic, and brooding just like he is. So in a way, I am honoring the historical personages by illustrating their personalities in my characters. :)

There, that clears up all your questions, I hope. Later.
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 09:58:44 PM
IP: hd38-232.hil.compuserve.com

Sorry for the double post, but:

DOUG - An additional something I just realized. I remember in that "Lewis & Clark" documentary that, in actual history, Meriwether Lewis was a very depressed and moody sort of fellow (who's even thought to have finally committed suicide), in stark contrast to William Clark, who was much more optimistic and outgoing. That definitely fits in with his being the same as your very brooding Uwaine (and it sounds as though Cain/Agony's really in a state of constant depression, for that matter. Then again, considering that as Cain he's the "First Murderer" and has had to live with that stigma for millenia, I find that understandable).
Todd Jensen
Thursday, October 15, 1998 09:54:26 PM
IP: pn6-ppp-32.primary.net

Thanks for the explanations, Doug. (I can't help think, also, that Seth and Agony seem to have very ambivalent feelings towards each other, based on your indications of their past identities. For the 19th century, for example, in 1804, those two are helping each other make the dangerous journey from St. Louis to the Pacific Ocean in a real case of teamwork - I saw a documentary on the Lewis & Clark Expedition a few weeks ago on PBS; a very fascinating story, and a little over seventy years later, they're mortal enemies at Little Big Horn. Well, we've already seen from the case of Demona and Macbeth that Immortals are very unusual people).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, October 15, 1998 09:44:31 PM
IP: pn6-ppp-32.primary.net

Sorry, I meant "just so you know." I really need to start checking my posts for grammatical errors before I submit them.
Doug
Thursday, October 15, 1998 09:38:35 PM
IP: hd38-232.hil.compuserve.com

Todd: Seth was a medium-rank Illuminati member when he had the well-documented identities. And Agony's been a member of the Society since it began. Since in my universe the Illuminati writes the history books, they could have easily hidden their identities, faked their deaths, created false birth records, etc. Plus they're both very good actors and Agony is a master of disguise. This is all fiction anyway, though, so what does it matter? But that's how I do it, just so I know.

Sir Kay: Yes, he'll be Arthur's foster brother. Arthur just won't know he's immortal and not really Ector's son. Only he, Agony, and Brooklyn will know that. I'm being as true to Arthurian legends as I can with this one, I just didn't know Uwaine and Owain were the same guy.

Hope that answers all your questions. That's all for now.
Doug
Thursday, October 15, 1998 09:36:43 PM
IP: hd38-232.hil.compuserve.com

*A Disneyesque looking white rabbit holding a pocket watch in one paw and a birthday gift in the other comes dashing into the comment room.*
I'm late! I'm late! For a very important date! No time to say hello! *waves* Goodbye! *waves again, nearly dropping the present* I'm LATE, I'M LATE! I'M LATE! HAPPY BIRTHDAY SPIKE!
*The rabbit runs out of the comment room in the opposite direction she came in. kathy pops her head back in the door*

To add to Spike's earlier comment, if we were a real series instead of a virtual series, each episode would have as many production credits as any hour long drama. So be sure and check out the Season 2 credits and see all the people involved in bringing you TGS...

kathy bolts back out of the comment room

kathy (who really ought to adopt the handle "white rabbit" - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 08:37:15 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

DumlaoX I believe the counter stopped somewhere between 27,300 and 27,500. The 27,000 is correct.
There was a lot of traffic monday to the site <G>.
Afraid that's as accurate as I can get. Sorry.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 07:49:22 PM
IP: proxy-351.public.rwc.webtv.net

DOUG - Just out of curiosity, how do you handle the better-documented historical identities of your two Immortal characters (say, Lewis & Clark, Custer and Crazy Horse, etc.)? I mean, what about their documented births, childhoods, and so on? I'd certainly think that it would be difficult for even people as experienced as those guys to pull off? (In TGS's planning stages, incidentally, we at one point considered making one of Madoc's past identities Peter Minuit, the Dutchman who bought Manhattan in 1626, but then discarded it because of similar difficulties - somebody also pointed out that it would be particularly cruel to Minuit to suggest that he was actually the human identity of a being almost equivalent to Satan). Characters in earlier, less-documented periods, such as the Viking Age, yes, but anywhere as recent as the 19th century would be rather difficult to pull off, at least, IMHO.

Oh, and since in your fanfic Sir Kay was one of these Immortals dating back to long before the Arthurian Age, I take it that he's not Arthur's foster-brother in it, the way that he was in Malory?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, October 15, 1998 07:39:13 PM
IP: pn6-ppp-11.primary.net

I meant the MLK assassination, sorry about the spelling mistake.
Doug
Thursday, October 15, 1998 07:32:57 PM
IP: hd74-145.hil.compuserve.com

The Dragons' Human Friend: Hope his name doesn't turn out to be Bowen. I had problems with almost every aspect of that movie. (Sean Connery's preformance was the exception.)

(The rest of this is fic-related, you have been warned.)

Todd: I did not know Uwaine was Morgana Le Fay's son, that's interesting. However, I don't plan to include that in my fanfic. In my world, Uwaine is one of the many identities my original immortal character Agony takes on as he lives through the ages. If you've read my story "Choices" and know who Agony was originally, and how he and his mother have historically been percieved by the early Church (which I think was a big influence on Arthur's court, am I mistaken) and a lot of people since then, you should know some of the reasons for his brooding. If not, the reasons are detailed below. Morgana will put in an appearance in that fic, by the way. I have plans to make her and Madoc the villians.

BTW, several people have asked me via e-mail who all the various identities Agony and Seth took on in my universe's partly fictional view of history were. Here's some of the details for those of you who have not asked but are still wondering.

Seth: Originally someone from Genesis, I won't tell you who (might be obvious to any who've read "Choices"), he was also the guard captain in the court of the Bablylonian King Atrahasis at the time of the Great Flood, Decius Brutus at Ceasar's asassanation, Sir Kay at King Arthur's Court, one of the Afghan Five Lions heroes, the blonde-bearded Viking who attacks Goliath with the club in "Awakenings," explorer William Clark, General Custer, and the leader of the ill-fated Clanton gang. In WW2, Seth was a soldier whose secret actions helped inspire the game Wolfenstein 3D, and he was Lowlight in the GI Joe team. Currently, he operates as a handyman, bouncer, and street vigilante in New York under the name of Seth Figaro. That's all the identities I've decided right now for him.

Agony I have a lot more identities for, since he's much more revealing about his past. :) He was originally Cain from the Bible, only he was not the son of Adam and Eve but Adam and Lillith. Read "Choices" to know the rest of my take on his story. Then, he was a merchant named Enkadi at the time of the Flood who is a friend of King Atrahasis (the name is a derivation of that of a messenger from the gods in Bablylonian mythology who warns King Atrahasis of the Great Flood and thus allows him to survive it. Enka warns Atrahasis, Endi warns King Ziusudra of Sumeria in another Flood myth, so I just combined the similar names to get who Agony was), Joshua (the guy who fought the battle of Jericho), Nathan (King David's prophet), a sailor with the Argonauts and Oddesyeus (sp?), St. Jude Thaddeus (Jesu's disciple), Emperor Hadrian of Rome, a warrior in the armies of Hrothgar and later Beowulf, Sir Uwaine of course, the English scholar Werwulf, one of Macbeth's soldiers (cyber-cookie to who can guess which one), Cesare Borgia, early American statesman Arthur Middleton, explorer Meriweather Lewis, a captain under Lee in the Civil War, Chief Crazy Horse, John Dillinger, and Nazi Colonel Max Radl (from the Jack Higgins novel "The Eagle Has Landed," one of my favorite books). He was also Major Blood in Cobra, the 'Raoul' figure in the MLK assination, the second gunman on the grassy knoll, and is currently Illuminati spy and assassin Ares O'Neil. I probably won't create any more identities for him, and he will die before my saga's over, but we'll see what happens before that. :)

Okay, that's all for now. Later!
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 07:29:45 PM
IP: hd74-145.hil.compuserve.com

**Ravyn comes in, smiling slightly**

I love to hear all your stories, romantic or otherwise! Keep 'em comin' if you don't mind, because I certainly don't! ;)

Survey Time!
What age I got my first kiss at> *laughs at Doug* I think if I answer this one, everyone in the room will be _really_ tired of listening to me and might threaten me. Anyway, if you don't already know, it was really early last Sunday morning after my Homecoming dance.
Was it good?> Heck yeah! You all have been hearing about it nonstop since then, so you should know! ;)
Favorite Unseelie> Hmm...I like the Morrigan and Madoc, but I would have to say the most intriguing for me is definitely Umbriel. I can't wait to see what happens with him.
What I want to see more of in TGS> Elisa & Goliath, the clones, and MacBeth! Bring on MacBeth!
First car I drove> A 1966 Chevy Chevelle Malibu. That car is too sweet! It looks like a Mexican low-rider type car, and it's got a 350 engine now, but I learned to drive on it when it had a 327. :)
Traffic Tickets> None! :)
Damaged Cars> Well, I chipped the paint on the aforementioned Chevelle and my dad was ready to kill me...;)
Max Speed> 80 on that lonely stretch of road between El Paso, TX and San Antonio.

Gotta run! *Ravyn grins* I just got a phone call from my 'first kisser,' and we're going out to a football game tonight...;)


Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Thursday, October 15, 1998 07:19:28 PM
IP: svm-ts6-3.c2i2.com

DEUCE - I do have a theory as to why iron is so hazardous to the faerie-folk, although, actually, it's inspired by the remarks of other Gargoyles fans. Iron is one of the most stable elements there is. And so it is the utter antithesis of the Third Race's generally capricious and unpredictable nature.

(In actual study of faerie-mythology, some scholars believe that the faeries are an imperfect recollection of Bronze Age people in ancient Britain, who were driven into submission or hiding by the Iron Age people, and who feared iron as the weapon that had displaced them).

DOUG - As I recall, Uwaine (or Owain, as I like to call him in my own Arthurian writing) was the son of Morgana la Fay; is that, at least in your universe, one of the reasons why he broods so much? (If Morgana was my mother, I'd certainly have a hard time with it too). Of course, in the TGS Universe, Uwaine/Owain would also have the death of his sister Morfydd to brood over (see "The Goddess of Winter Part Three" for details).

WILEK NEREUS - Most of us TGS staffers prefer to view "Hercules/Xena" as rather inaccurate where Greek mythology is concerned, and we do our best to make our own take on Greek myth very different.

ARIS - Thanks for your comments. As for the business about dragons and the human who chose to aid them against Avallach - we plan to reveal more, in time.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, October 15, 1998 06:59:45 PM
IP: pn6-ppp-11.primary.net

(The monitor lights up with the image of Doug talking to a shifty-looking man in a dark suit. He walks forward to say his piece as soon as they finish their conversation.)

Green Baron: That is a nice image, but I don't think people like PJ and SS would be working together. I did just check out whether PJ was involved though, through my spy in his orginization. Nope, he wasn't. Of course not, since the guy tries to be without sin in deed if not in word and emotion. :)

I like your idea about the Catholic School Scouts. Be careful with the self-insertion of you as Darien, though. I know people who desperately want to kill that guy.

Relationships where women are the ones pressing for sexual pleasures are not as unusual as you might think. Women do have a sex drive, too, after all. Lisa was the first one who brought romance into ours, and physical intimancy as well. To quote Lolita, despite all my liking of her and attempts at friendship, in the end it was she who seduced me. She's definitely the more aggressive, sexual, and courageous person in our relationship, but I come pretty close. <grin>

The Umbriel Issue: My feelings on why Madoc hasn't gotten rid of him is that he has two reasons. One, Umbriel is too useful to Madoc, what with his ability to cast spells on iron. Two, Madoc is convinced he can eventually bring Umbriel over to his side completely, by erasing all his nephew's doubts as to their cause. Until Umbriel drastically proves to Madoc this is not the way he's going to go, he will stay a part of the Unseelie.

Lex: Oh yeah, a great job is being done on his character by the TGS Staff. Also Liz's. Hope to see lots more of them in upcoming eps.

Lex Attacking Avalon: I think that will happen, but for different reasons than that Lex has joined Madoc. I think his allies with the hammers may have been the gnomes from "Reprisals." Perhaps that occurs when Madoc has taken over Avalon and Lex, befriending the gnomes once again, is leading a revolt against him. That would be cool.

Of course, just about everything to do with TGS is. :)

Okay, that's all for now. Later!
(The screen goes blank as Doug walks off.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 06:51:48 PM
IP: hd74-145.hil.compuserve.com

Well, I have done about 15 garg fanfics myself before ever coming online. They take place shortly after the Goliath Chronicle, and take a different twist than the stories here, most of them focusing on Brooklyn... I would put up a webpage for you people to check them out, but this computer has problems with making a page, though I'm not sure quite what... Each of my stories is about 10 pages, some less, some a bit more... If you're interested, E-mail me, and I'll send you a copy of the first story I've done as soon as possible. A page would make it easier, but for now, it's the only way my stories can get read... Ah well...
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, TX, US
Thursday, October 15, 1998 06:47:29 PM
IP: spider-tk084.proxy.aol.com

*grins* Why, thank you, Aris, for the compliment! The Lex & Liz scene at the party was the only thing I contributed to the original outline for "The Rising" before Todd and Kathy did the writing honors. You'd be surprised how many people contribute to a TGS story!
Spike
Thursday, October 15, 1998 05:25:47 PM
IP: dal-mm3-2027.cmpu.net

I *finally* got the chance to post my opinion/review concerning the Rising two-parter. I had almost sent this message last week, but just before I posted it the damn IE crashed and all of the message got deleted. ARRGH! Anyway:

*****SPOILERS on 'Rising Part I & II' *****

I have to congratulate Todd Jensen and Kathy Pogge on a job very well done. This ep is possibly in the top five of my favourite TGS episodes (all four series included) and probably my favourite in the Gargoyles Saga proper.

Let me start with the one bad point, to get it over with:
The weakest part in the story is the Loki explanation. The Gate held in an imprisoned fay?!? And how did he free the rest Unseelies? I hope there's more to the story, guys. And I'll have to check past episodes to see if this makes any sense at all.

Finally, *finally* we get some very well needed background on Madoc. Before now, he was (for me at least) a flat villain with some interesting character traits but no real reason for his villainy. And thus (for me again) uninteresting. But now he certainly got a personality and a history; and seems more real than ever.

I like the tidbits on the dragons: Am I correct in assuming they were a sentient race? (Otherwise I don't believe the word 'War' would be used. 'Hunt' most probably) And what was the reason for the war? I don't believe we've heard the last of this. And who was the mortal who allied himself to the dragons and what was his reason for this? Was he a generic figure, or someone we'll know more about? I hope we'll learn more in the future.

Avallach and Danu. Strange that a character who was only mentioned and never seen and a character who only spoke a couple lines would suddenly gain more existence than many guest-stars and recurring characters. I mourn for the death of good king Avallach, as Danu and their children do. What does this mean? My guess is that Todd and Kathy did a darn good job.

I had ofcourse guessed that Maddox was the brother of Oberon. I hadn't guessed that he loves Titania but it's very interesting.

Ok, is there *anyone* who believes that Umbriel won't betray the Unseelie? I don't remember what was the last episode we saw Umbriel in. Could someone help me here? The problem with his attitude is that it's very obvious. Can't Madoc see that he can't trust Umbriel?

It's also very great that the first war started in part because of different attitudes where the mortals are concerned. It's also great that Oberon (the so very arrogant where mortals are concerned) would be with the more mortal-liking side. A pure fay-concerned war would be bad for the story, now it became a war where the fate of all three races got decided.

Throughout part 1 I thought the problem would be that Oberon might not intervene. In part 2, Todd and Kathy brilliantly showed that Oberon's intervention may be more terrible than even a possible victory of Madoc. How many millions died, how many civilisations were destroyed to ensure Oberon's victory? (And for those of us who are counting: Add Atlantis and the Flood to the myths touched upon by TGS)

The Weird Sisters: What are they talking about? And on whose side are they on, anyway? The story seems to indicate that they were referring to Elisa and Goliath, but I hope that's not true. It would be too obvious, and too meaningless. I hope they are actually talking about Macbeth and Demona since that would add more layers to the relationship between the Weird Sisters and them.

Major B5-homage with the Fays trying to help the younger races evolve, according to Avallach's wishes. And as always the war among the older races harms the younger ones firstmost. Truly both Oberon and Madoc betrayed their father's trust. I hope though that Danu still lies around, waiting to intervene.

The Lion King reference however was IMO way too silly and unfitting. "Oberon must not be king" "Yeah, who needs a king; no king, no king, la la la la" "Fools, I'll be king!" Too silly, shouldn't have been in there IMO.

I'm convinced now that Lexington won't go to Madoc's side or help invade Avalon as seen in the vision in Pendragon. From Timedancer it seems that he will go evil eventually (before redeeming himself saving the eggs of Graeme and Ariana) but it will most probably be in an other way, hopefully much later.

More on Lexington: His was certainly the best role in the second part. I couldn't get in touch with Lexington throughout the first season. I couldn't understand him. But now he's left in the position where he had to explain himself, his actions, understand himself. And through his own understanding and grief, I understood and felt sorry for him. The best work TGS has yet done with this or possibly any character. Kudos to the writers.

Lizzie: hey-ya, hey-ya, Lizzie's back, hey-ya, hey-ya, Lizzie's back! Everybody cheer and be thankful! I'd love to see more of her. The discussion between her and Lex was great! Sincere. And thus great. The moments when Lex tells her to try and remove his 'mask' were the best in the whole two-parter. Lex shuddering when she touched him was also magnificently done. At this point in time only Spike has managed to provide a better Lexington moment than this.

Lizzie is the guardian-angel of Lex which will keep him from harm's way by making him examine him own self. While she's around I don't believe Lex could ever possibly get evil. For his sake, (and for the readers' enjoyment) I hope we see a lot more of her.

I'm looking forward to Pendragon. I am more excited with TGS than ever before. Great job, Todd and Kathy!

***** END OF SPOILERS *****
Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 04:53:28 PM
IP: athe-d07.otenet.gr

Well, just thought I'd drop in with another thing I just noticed from the Rising. (I actually got the name right this time too.) We know that Umbriel is a half-fay whose mother was human. Also, unlike Oberon who refers to all his followers as his 'children' I doubt that Madoc would refer to Umbriel as his nephew unless he really is. Therefore, doesn't that mean that Umbriel's father is really Oberon? If so, that could create some strange ironies seeing as how one of Oberon's children (literally) is a member of the Unseelie court and would also explain why Madoc and Maeve are so eager to make use of him.

As for the survey...
first kiss -- hasn't happened yet. Kinda pathetic for someone who's nineteen, isn't it.
Favorite Unseelie -- Maeve. She's the kind of person you just love to hate.
What I want to see more of -- The Mutates, Thailog, and Lex dealing with his implants and the betrayal of Maddox/Madoc
First Car -- Never actually owned one
Car Accidents -- I've had one. Some old guy ran a stop sign and hit the car I was driving.
Top Speed -- I've gotten around 90 in a Mercury Tracer.

I think that's about it for now.
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Thursday, October 15, 1998 03:59:40 PM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

**Five teenage girls in Catholic school uniforms are battling Unseelies with strange psychic blue-colored powers. From a corner, a man in a green suit shoots a rose at the Unseelie leader, and then blasts him with a wierd solution of iron rust and holy water.**

Ok! I know that was wierd. Let me explain. I don't know how many of you like Sailor Moon, but I got a really wierd idea. In New Orleans, everyone from the working poor to the moderately wealthy send their children to catholic School, even those who aren't Catholic, except fo rthe elitists who send their kids to Private and Episcopal schools, or the lucky ones who can get into a magnet school. This gave me the idea of a bunch of girls in Catholic school-girl uniforms as opposed to Sailor uniforms, sinc ethis would be in America, and probably New Orleans. I was just wondering what you thought of the idea.

Survey:
First Kiss: I was 17 and it was rather good. It was my first kiss I ever received and after five years of adolescent Ctaholic shool-boy hormones, it was much needed :) As for the relationship, it ended two months later, and was renewed when I was 19 during a summer. It began to dissolve for a number of rerasons, including her hatred of my mother, my cat,a nd she didn't want me to wait until marriage to do certain things (you all know what they are). I guess it is odd that the guy is chaste and the girl is the one pressing for....such pleasures, since she would be hurt worse by any circumstances. I had another relationship between, but she dumped me teh day before my High School Graduation. Now, that I am having doubts about the priesthood, I haven't been kissed in over a year. Any volunteers, ladies? (j/k) ;)

First car> I need to learn how to drive. Maybe, when I'm twenty-five. Insurance in New Orleans is too high.

Damaged cars and tickets> None. I once drove a car for about fifteen seconds when I was twelve and I was quite nervous. My parents won't teach me.

Christine> Welcome back. I hope your family didn't give you too much grief.

Mandi> **Offers her needed midterm consolation hug** I have them coming up next week. So far, I have re-focuse my studying, and I just need to study. Of course, my final grade is most important.

Let me know if you want an extra writer with Bad Guys. I had some of my own ideas, though Greg's video disproved a lot of them.

Doug> Maybe, Pastor John robbed your house, with Sister Sue's help ;)

**The Unseelie lie in smoldering ruins, except their leader, Cromwell. He departs threatening revenge on the Catholic School Girl Scouts**
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Thursday, October 15, 1998 03:28:56 PM
IP: 141.164.133.105

Mandi: Don't worry. I haven't gotten a lot of fanfic work done either. In fact, I'm not planning to start on my next one until tomorrow evening. Everything I've said in here is just my future plans for my saga. Kind of an "Ask Doug" spilling it sort of thing. I'm not telling everything, of course, but I do like to reveal a lot. Hope it doesn't make anyone too crazy. Here's some more tidbits that might interest you:
Nearly all my original characters were inspired by other people or characters, and their names are partly references to their inspirations. Examples include:
Laura (for Remington Steele's partner) Catherine (for a girl I knew in high school who looks and acts a lot like my character Laura does) James (for the Wild West gangster Jesse); Rachel (for the heroine of Blade Runner and the only character I really like on Friends); and the Sparks (Johnny Ireland gets his last name from a buddy of mine in middle school named Terry Ireland, Kara was the name of the drill team captain in high school who was kinda a friend of mine, Rex is named after my second favorite dino, Larry is named after my favorite newscaster, Louie and Zip are named after other pals of mine in middle school, Chrissy is a cousin of mine's name, Bill and Jimmy are named after favorite uncles, and Doc was the nickname of my first high school's principal).

Good luck with your own fanfic. I'll be looking forward to reading all of it. :) And thanks for the encouragement and kind words.

DumlaoX: The website looks great so far. Keep up the good work, my friend. Hope your computer has enough space to handle a TGS CR archive. <grin>

Till Nightfall!
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 03:05:01 PM
IP: dd58-201.dub.compuserve.com

[The screen comes on, showing Doug's ongoing investigation. As he finishes interviewing someone, Wilek and Miriam step into frame.] Need help?

Patrick Toman> "Bando" has already been defined here. Scroll down till you find it.

Doug> The Dark Guardian? Hmm...Your TD fics sound fascinating. I seem to remember a Star Trek time travel episode where they met Samuel Clemens. What better way to explain how he was inspired to write his Connecticut Yankee story?

Polls>
First kiss: Still waiting; I don't mind.
First car: None as yet. (I would be a worse driver than Buick. I wouldn't be that reckless, just inept.)
Favorite Unseelie: Dahak. (No he's not a canon Unseelie. But I'm sure he's in there somewhere. All the ancient evil mythological gods are. I think every single ancient mythological god is a Fey.)

Speaking of Dahak, just how compatible is the Xena/Hercules interpretation of Greco-Roman mythology with the Gargs interpretation of things? It may become a factor in a fic cycle of mine.

Kyryn> A Klingon girl in a Playboy bunny outfit? What the...?! Ack. (Maybe she can infiltrate the Hefner mansion and gut him. I'd pay to see that.)

Mandi> Your psycho mutant dog came with us on the clone wars; hope he got back to your house safely. <<I figure [Anubis is] just going to have been pretending to be one of them. Or something.>> Why not? Puck's pretending to be a human.

Deuce> If you have to threaten violence again, try something to the effect of, "If you ever so much as attempt this again, I'll tear your misbegotten soul from your wretched body and feed it to the nine rings of the Inferno! Your torment will be legendary, even in Hades!" Preferably in a voice that sounds demonically possessed. Then laugh maniacally, in said demonic voice.

[The screen shuts down.]
Wilek Nereus
Thursday, October 15, 1998 02:54:15 PM
IP: tnt-1-222-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Doug: The bit about the minister came from a typo in the paper. Seeing as he's been minister for about 18 months and I found out it was wrong about a month ago I thought I'd mention it.
Besides, if you were the Police minister you'd get some results a lot faster....
Jonathan
NEW ZEALANDThursday, October 15, 1998 02:48:42 PM
IP: wh17-10.wave.co.nz

*Deuce runs in, breathless and holding flute* Whew! Just finished a grueling playing test, on which I scored a very modest 85%. Had to play... *checks sheet in pocket*... eight scales plus B-flat and E-flat chromatic, and a hard sight-reading piece. Needless to say, I'm quite proud of myself.

First Kiss: At age 13, with someone I'm still quite in love with.
Was It Good? Oh, yeah. VERY. Sadly, we're no longer together... you know my story.

First Car You Ever Drove: Hey! I haven't even got my learner's permit yet! I did get to use a tractor a couple times though.
Number of Traffic Tickets: None, myself, but I've been responsible for three. (Don't ask. Please.)
Number of Cars Damaged: One. My mom's, while I was cleaning it.

Unfortunately, to get a learner's in the fine province of Alberta, you must be 14 (check), and have $8 to take the test, $45 if you pass. I currently have $17.50 to my name, no job, and no allowance. A license is not in the future for me.

Christine> Family get-togethers are bizarre. My paternal grandmother was one of 13 kids, my dad then one of 8. I have enough relatives stemming from my great-grandparents to fill a large building (and we do, every few years). It's confusing, not to mention rather disorienting and sometimes scary. Several times my cousins and I had to pry a drunk 12-year-old off his second cousin. Yes, really. His parents didn't know, and we kept it that way through threats and subtle violence. ("Touch her again and die, shorty!" *Deuce and cousins twist arm*)

Well, gotta go! See'y'all tomorrow! *Deuce looks at his flute, and flies out, gingerly holding the wooden case*
Deuce - [flute3@bando.ca]
Canada Thursday, October 15, 1998 02:33:16 PM
IP: dsle01371.adsl.telusplanet.net

**Mandi runs in, wearing a theatre T-shirt and frazzled beyond belief.**

Whoa, I've missed a lot! Just repeat the mantra, Mandi: "It'll be over by Sunday, it'll be over by Sunday..."

Doug: You are making me feel so guilty. I haven't gotten a lot of fic work done mainly because the fall murder mystery has been taking up so much of my time. (Not to mention my laundry--those damn blood packets!) "Quest" sounds great. As most regulars here know, I'm one of those fans getting hyper to get Rory into Pendragon. :) Right now, fic-wise, I'm juggling the idea of fitting TGS continuity in there. But I doubt I can. I may have to ignore Timedancer, sadly, due to my own plans and those of some other fic writers that I'm eventually going to cross over with. *sigh*

I figure once the play is over (and now that midterms have passed) I'll have time to do some research for my Garg/Tomorrow People/Stargate SG-1 crossover "Gates of the Mind." I need to reconcile Anubis with the goa'uld, and I want to check if there's anything in Egyptian mythology that distanced Anubis from the rest of the gods. I figure he's just going to have been pretending to be one of them. Or something.

Crap! Class in 5 minutes! Got to run!

**Mandi dashes out!**

First Kiss: Technically, first real kiss at 14.
Was It Good? Er...no. I say "technically" because the guy in question was someone who I did not want to go out with, and who's been calling me periodically for the past five years because he doesn't understand "No." But he's just been calling. No stalking or anything. *whew*

First Car You Ever Drove: My dad's '96 Mercury Sable. It's got waay too much horsepower for me (just tap and you're up to 50 in no time!) so I stick to Mom's Honda Accord.
Number of Traffic Tickets: None yet.
Number of Cars Damaged: Three including the Honda.
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 01:58:10 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

<Kyryn jogs into the room carrying various types of equipment.>The unseelie found me and have sent a bunch of gremlins to try and keep me from posting. The little bleeps have managed to drop power twice this morning before I could finish posting, and fried one machine (fortunately, not mine!)

Deuce> Good to see another flutist and another bando.

DumlaoX>Good wishes to you both. The funny thing is that both Okami and I are originally from Los Angeles. We both went to Westchester High, which is where we met. 3 years of the relationship were long distance, when I was still in LA and he was in Texas. Lots of high phone bills <g>

Brian> Rolling Calf makes me think of leg cramps at 3 in the morning, but I think it's a cool name. I would also like to hear the myth that it comes from.

Spike and AotN> Happy Birthday! (Kyryn takes time out from assembling something and wheels in a large cake)

Wilek> I have a lot of odd friends. Of course one of my characters is Kev-lar, the Klingon bunny girl - How many weapons can you hide in a modified Playboy Bunny Costume? I got up to 23.

Coyote> LOL, though I have this kewl picture in my head of Brooklyn playing the sax in the moonlight and wearing 'shades, and I can see gargs playing some of the simpler wooden flutes. I personally have a flute from the Philipines that has 12 holes. I'm still trying to figure out the correct fingerings for it.

Christine> Welcome back from the land of IRL insanity!

Survey:

First Kiss: 16, it was good!!
Best Kiss: We're still working on that. It just keeps getting better!!
Favorite Unseelie: The Morrigan, but then I like ravens and crows.
TGS: I'd like to see Sharon and the clones back, also more Lex and Liz.
First Car: A 1978 bronze Camaro. I loved that car. That was back when they still made them out of steel.
Traffic tickets: Umm..a few
Damaged cars: Haven't managed to hit any myself, but the Camaro saved my life from a hit by a Cadillac once.
Max Speed: I once got the Camaro up to 120 because I wanted to see if the speedometer would really go up that far.

Later All

<Kyryn finishes assembling a large nasty looking gun and runs out of the CR to hunt gremlins>
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Thursday, October 15, 1998 01:56:11 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

HANDLES-- All I can say is cool handles so far.

RAVYN-- Romantic stories? Mine is too long to tell :)

THE 2 THINGS LEFT-- Now it might as well be three now that I hear the counter is kaput. In any case, the picture archive fixes are one thing I need to make sure is complete.

The other thing does have to do with the comment room. After I upload it and test it thoroughly, I'm going to ask Gore to shut down the comment room. By that time, a new one will be placed here on this server using Gore's original code with some of my additions to it. One of the big additions, besides fixing pics, is the addition of more pics. And once I get the code up and running in tip top shape, I can add new pics and text colors whenever the need arrises. Also, the TGS comment room pic page will come back at the top of the room so no one spams the place just to look at pics.

ARCHIVE OF TGS CR-- That's another addition I want to implement here. I want a TGS CR archive from the very beginning of this humble little room. So, can anyone send me the archive? I need it from beginning to this past week. Thanx much.

STARSINGER-- Any idea what the number was last time on the counter right before it went DOA? I might have to get a new counter if I can't fix this one.

COMMENT ROOM PIC ADDITIONS-- Whenever the artists at TGS can make up a pic for the comment room, I'll place it up here ASAP. That is, once the new comment room is in effect.

DEUCE-- Actually, since that's a thread that was started by Greg Weisman, it's best to ask him that question. Hit the Ask Greg section over at http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/

Now time for me to do a little coding and such. Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 01:28:17 PM
IP: dhcp75.oac-commons.ucla.edu

One more thing.

Todd: I suppose this goes without saying, but I am of course glad you are looking forward to some of my work. :)
Doug
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:24:43 PM
IP: hil-dnppy-174.oh.compuserve.net

(Doug appears on the monitor, discussing something with a street bum. The conversation ends after a short while. Doug thanks the bum with a five-dollar bill, then walks up to the camera to say his piece.)

The investigation continues, right now no news to report. That guy did tell me, though, that he thinks a major crime gang that includes the Ravens' arch-enemies the Mexican and Hispanic youth gang Vayas Comos Ninjas and several divisions of the local Crips is operating in the area, led by a mysterious figure known only as "The Dark Guardian." I wonder who that could be... Well, I suspect I will soon find out, maybe tonight when the others and I go speak to Gulliermo and Jose (the VCN's leaders) about this. I will keep you all updated. (This is all RP, by the way. IRL, I'm still waiting for the cops to get a lead.)

Fleur: Oh yeah, driving is fun. I enjoy doing it a lot. Let's add this to the survey:
First Car You Drove: a blue Chevy Coupe that didn't run very well. (That's partly why I have Greenhead driving one in my fanfic.)
Number of Traffic Tickets So Far: 0. (I am lucky!)
Number of Cars Somehow Damaged Through Your Driving So Far: 3. (Okay, maybe I'm not that lucky.) <grin>
Maximum Speed You've Driven At: 90 mph and once I realized how fast I was going, I almost instantly slowed down to 70.

Todd: Well, since Mr. Clemens is dead, I'm not too worried about him. My story will be a little more logical than "Conneticutt Yankee in King Arthur's Court," anyway. It will also be far different. Clemen's Camelot didn't have gargoyles as part of its knights, nor a brooding knight who is really an immortal Illuminati agent. The story will function on Brooklyn, Sata, and Agony (who is then Uwaine) and the vow Agony swore back then to help the gargoyle race sometime in the future (that's been mentioned in a couple stories already), mostly. Right now, I think it's gonna be #20 (and "Quest" will be #24 or 25). So it is still a ways away. The VJON Timedancer one, and several others set in the modern day, will come before it. Wonder what I should call this planned story of Brooklyn and Sata at King Arthur's Court, anyone have an idea?

Spike: Great! I'll be looking forward to all of it. Right now, I am just eagerly awaiting this season's first set-in-London Gargoyles Saga ep.

Okay, that's all for now. Later!
(The monitor goes blank as Doug heads off to continue his investigation.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:22:05 PM
IP: hil-dnppy-174.oh.compuserve.net

Fleur> Yeah, ice cream works. So does about thirty pounds of chocolate, in any form. Mmmm....

TGS Staff> Will we be getting an explanation for why the fey are so sensitive to iron, and get the opposite reaction from silk? And what's with George's caffiene allergy? (Poor guy; if I couldn't have caffiene, I wouldn't be here right now... I'd still be in bed... since Christmas).

Wow... I had no idea so many people have had similar experiences to mine. I am not alone. *snickers* OK, I am. But at least I'm alone with you guys.

Well, the bell just rang (I'm here before school). I may be back in a few hours, though....
Deuce - [break@control-c.com]
CanadaThursday, October 15, 1998 10:19:23 AM
IP: temple.ecs.edmonton.ab.ca

I always considered it logical that the Third Race would pre-date gargoyles and humans. After all, in practically every world mythology out there, the gods and/or faerie-folk came along before humans did; why should it be any different in the Gargoyles Universe? (The term "younger races", I will confess, is actually another "Babylon 5" reference that I couldn't resist making).

DOUG - I look forward to seeing your Brooklyn at King Arthur's Court story (just be wary about protests from a certain Mr. Clemens about how he's already written a story placing a time traveller in Arthurian Britain :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, October 15, 1998 08:07:28 AM
IP: pn2-ppp-89.primary.net

It's safe to say that you will be seeing of many favorite characters in upcoming stories -- a return to the Caledonian Forest, further development in various relationships, and some answers to some dangling plot twists left unanswered in the first season of TGS. *L* And if I say any more, somebody will come after me with a stick!
Spike
Thursday, October 15, 1998 08:01:17 AM
IP: dal-as1-1223.cmpu.net

DumlaoX This time the counter is really down.
It took alot of hits monday.

Starsinger

Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 07:15:31 AM
IP: proxy-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net

:: runs in ::

The Teen Demona and Teen Goliath pics were done by Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson.

Next week's ep will feature the cast from London. Like kathy said, though... please don't think of it as seperate "Gargoyles" and "Pendragon" this year - it's "The Gargoyles Saga."

And finally... what the heck is a "bando?"

:: runs out ::
Patrick Toman
Thursday, October 15, 1998 06:14:00 AM
IP: 208-248-57.ipt.aol.com

*Fleur enters the comment room, with the look of one who has spent sleep-time doing something she enjoys very much*
He, he. Got my licence a week or two ago, and I still haven't gotten down from the high. Driving is fun! :)
Ravyn> Congratulations! If you can bear yet another first-kiss story, mine happened at the back of my grade prep classroom! But my first _serious_ kiss (i.e. open-mouthed) was with a guy I liked heaps, but dumped me at the end of the night. Harsh experience. On the up-side, I really improved my vocabulary describing him to my friends (louse, loser, low-life - and that's just the words begining with L!;)) My condolences to the members of the dumped-males club. Try parking yourself in front of the TV set and eating lots of ice-cream to cheer you up. Works for me. :)
Oy. Time for bed, I thinks.
TTFN
*Fleur starts walking towards the comment room door. Halfway there, she falls to the floor. In her sleep, she makes driving movements, a happy smile on her face*

Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 02:14:08 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

See I'm using the nickname. Well anyway I was just at Station 8 and did some REAL exploring and it's a really cool site. I will admit however I missed one question on the trivia game. :( Oh and I just had a thought if things don't work out between Lex and Liz maybe he should try that clan of gargoyles Griff and King Arthur found. You know the one that's looking for males. That's a possibility.
Jaden - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Thursday, October 15, 1998 02:10:45 AM
IP: pm1-7.sma.silcom.com

By Fisk in the last post, I mean Wilson Fisk, aka the Kingpin. Just saying this in case that's not clear to anyone.
Doug
Thursday, October 15, 1998 02:05:40 AM
IP: hd57-153.hil.compuserve.com

(Doug appears on the monitor, talking to a big dark-haired guy in an Italian suit. They finish their conversation, and Doug then walks closer to say his piece.)

Okay, that was Antonio Gambini, one of Lisa's Mafia pals. They don't know anything about the burglary, but have offered to see what they can find out. But at least I paid the family back the five bucks I owe them. :)

(Warning, RP and Shameless Plugs ahead.)

Thailog in the Apartment: No, he's obviously not the one from TGC (who'd be practically dead now) or the one from my fanfic (who's gone cyborg and is now leading the Illuminati Ultra-Pack). I haven't really decided what kind of guy this Thailog is yet. I just found out he was living in the apartment above mine last month with a human girl named Julie Hawthorne who's paying his rent. I don't know if he's bad or good yet, I'm trying to make friends with him so I can see. No, I don't know if he's reforming or who he was going after when he came out dressed to kill. I wonder if he had anything to do with the burglary (he couldn't IRL, but it is nice to talk about in here). Well, I suspect I'll soon find out. No further news on said burglary, by the way.

Brian: Glad you've finished my stories, and that you generally enjoyed them. I look forward to recieving the lot of further comments you mentioned earlier from you by e-mail soon. Sorry I made Goliath too accepting of Spiderman in the first one. His character, for me, is one of the most difficult to write because he's so brooding and morose and at the same time so noble and powerfully charismatic. I'm still working on getting him right. The others (except for Elisa) I pretty much have down, but not Goliath. I'll be getting him down by #12, though. Goliath will play a big part in that story ("Capture") and the two immediately following it ("The Ultra-Pack Cometh" and "End to the Rage"), so I better. :) Glad you didn't see any other problems, I intend to amass lots more experience as time goes on. The Illuminati vs. Gargs angle will be settled in #16, but after that one I'll still have them against Thailog, Mackovic's World Terrorism Alliance, and eventually Madoc and his latest breed of followers and worshippers. The Rose will stick around as well as an antagonist, but #12 will remove Fisk. Agony and Seth will still be around, too, as will Changeling. Don't yet know all my plans for them. A lot more is planned for all, though. The saga will continue, for as long as I have ideas to air and creativity demons to get out of my mind. Hope you and all my other readers continue to read and enjoy it. :)

Heather: You may be interested to know that I have plans for a fic called "Quest" (probably #23) that will feature Arthur and a new Round Table of Knights. Said table will include Griff, Cavall, Una, Leo, Colin Marter (of course), Brianna, Rory Dugan, Max Loew and his Golem, and perhaps a few others. The plot will be them teaming up with Agony's Anti-Terrorism Commando Squad (he'll have lost most of his Commandos by then, but will still lead a group of warriors composed of Laura, Sheppard, Stewart, Weston, Connor MacLeod, himself, Peregrine 4.0, and maybe a few others) to find the lost Holy Grail and return it to Duval before Mackovic and Thailog get their hands on it. Dakota Jones from Christine's work will also put in an appearance if Christine will allow me to use her. (I'll ask when it comes time to write that one.) Just thought I'd share a glimmer of my future plans. <grin>

(End Shameless Plugs)

Rolling Calf sounds fine to me, mind sharing the Jamaican myth it comes from with us? I like Jaden as well. As Goliath would say, "They are all fine names."

MrNoying: Welcome. I especially like your handle. :)

To start off those surveys, how about the following (apologies to Ravyn):

What Age You Got Your First Kiss At: 12.
Was It Good?: Yes. Oh yes! But it wasn't my life's best kiss, that one I got seven years later from Kitainia. :)
Favorite Unseelie: Madoc. He is just turning out to be too good a villain. Hope he stays that way. <grin>
What You'd Like to See More of in TGS: The Cold Trio, the clones, Sharon, Richard and George, Liz and Lex, and all the Unseelie.

BTW, I got a question. Someone said that Madoc wanted the Phoenix Gate way back in an Egyptian ep. I'm assuming they mean the Egyptian Timedancer episode. Does this mean Madoc was in there as the sorcerer's master and Brooklyn is gonna help raise him to a place of power? Uh oh. Well, it could be. Isfet did seem kinda Unseelie-like with her shapechanging power and all. The sorcerer, though, I wonder about him. He's too powerful to be Garlon or one of Madoc's other underlings that we've seen so far among the Unseelie. Hope they clear his identity up in the new Timedancer season. I'd really like to know about this, and everything else that happened to Brooklyn. That's partly because I have two Timedancer fics planned (one with Brooklyn at King Arthur's court and one where he and Sata visit the future and learn all about Silvan's plans as well as Madoc's after the fact due to Agony, Changeling, and a guy named VJON) and it would help, but mostly because I would enjoy reading and learning about them. Keep up the good work, all TGS Staff! :)

That's all for now. Later!
(The picture fades away as Doug walks off.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 02:03:50 AM
IP: hd57-153.hil.compuserve.com

<Fire Storm takes a break from making stew at 1:30 am to post>

Coyote: Gateway? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
(As you can tell, I don't like Gateways.)

Ravyn: Enjoy it while it lasts! People here didn't let us have our glow period for long enough. :(
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 01:38:34 AM
IP: dhcp172.visitus.net

Oh, ok. That's cool !
And when are you going to put up pics of Una's and Leo's kids for the Comment Room ? I only saw the cast pic but I would like to see a full pic of the two. They're so CUTE ! ^^
Anyway , when is Brianna going to have her "knight" back ? :: smiles :: And will be leave her clan and join Griff's ? I hope so !
Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:57:20 AM
IP: 166-110-228.ipt.aol.com

Well, I'm still new to the net, and have spent ALL of my free time in the last two weeks reading these "season 3" stories, and I must say, "Excellent." And now that a human and gargoyle pairing has been brought up... The odvious pairs being Goliath/Elisa, Lex/Liz, and Demona/Xantos or Elisa. But I don't think anyone else has mentioned this one yet... Demona and MacBeth. Of course, the writers probably knew the answer before the story started...
MrNoying - [MrNoying@aol.com]
San Antonio, Texas, US
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:37:22 AM
IP: spider-tk071.proxy.aol.com

Ravyn< Heh, if anyone gives you any trouble, we'll sick Nudnik, Bronx, and Cavall on 'em :) But first, we'll cover them in bait or something ... hmmmm... wonder if beasts like peanut butter ... *s*
Carolynn "Aerie" Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:16:39 AM
IP: spider-tl071.proxy.aol.com

Static-Pulse< The Nuckelavee, in Scottish myth, is a sea faerie. It takes on the appearance of an enormous horse with flippers, huge mouth, fiery eyes. Arms grow our of it's waist, and it's neck is described as 'too weak to support it's monstrous head'. Oh, yeah, and it doesn't have skin; you can see all its yellow viens and black blood. Charming pet, ain't it?

Heather< Pendragon and Gargoyles is 'mixed'. They're crossovers. If you're referring to an ep including the Pendragon cast, that is next week.
the pics of teen demona and goliath were done by the right talented Jen "CrzyDemona" Anderson. :) Kicks a**, don't they? :)

*reading this weeks oodles of posts with a keen interest* Awww, a first kiss! That is soooooooo sweet!

I dunno. Mine tw'arn't as the movies portray it. Guy tried to give me a kiss on the mouth, I ducked my head ot the side, and he pecked my cheek instead. What can I say? I don't take it real fast. Oh, well :)

So don't you guys say anything about having trouble romantically! Don't worry, pretty much everyone does (I still think I shouldn't have turned my head ... it was impulse) ;D

Todd< Reading "The Once and Future King". I cracked up upon reading Arthur's favorite hound was named Cavall. Up till about four months ago, I had never been such an avid Arthur fan.

I LOVE the song "Staying Alive". Anyone see "Saturday Night Fever"? Whoohooooo!!! :)

*looks at her post* Okay, I think it's time for bed. My mom's ferns are doing the Mambo with the celery ... and my wallpaper ... it's ... it's doing the Macarena! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHH!!!
Carolynn "Aerie" Marie - [C4arobin@aol.com]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:13:24 AM
IP: spider-tl071.proxy.aol.com

Christine> Welcome back. Speaking as a person who has been to many family get-togethers, and dispised it, I commend you on returning from the ordeal with your sanity. Bravo!
Static-Pulse - [khovak@hotmail.com]
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:11:54 AM
IP: mgm199.1.zebra.net

Silver Arrow - didn't you hear? Brook and Sata make it home safe and sound, and pick up two kids and a dog on the way!!
::grinning wickedly:: I love time travel! seriously though, Timedancer isn't set(as of now) to start until January of 1999! :( don't worry though,with all the excitment of the Rising, you'll hardly notice!!
Xander
VA
Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:03:49 AM
IP: 207.152.160.35

Starsinger> Heh, heh...:)
Ravyn
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:59:56 PM
IP: svm-ts4-29.c2i2.com

Man, I'm _really_ not paying attention to stuff lately! Here's the link I meant to put up on my last post. ;)
Ravyn
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:58:36 PM
IP: svm-ts4-29.c2i2.com

Starsinger runs up to Rayvn and gives her a big hug. Congrats on a great night. When you get tired of the boys teasing you, let me know. I'll help you throw them in the pool.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:57:38 PM
IP: proxy-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net

**Ravyn comes in, noticing that just about everyone has sunglasses on or is shielding his or her eyes**

Sheesh! I didn't mean to blind anyone! Sorry, guys! I guess I'll have to calm down now...a _little_...;)

Coyote> I didn't mean that yours was specifically romantic; it's just that everyone else's was, and I didn't really want to say, "I like hearing all your romantic stories plus Coyote's sad one..." So I'm sorry if I have offended, and I'm really sorry that someone had the nerve to hurt a nice guy like you! Here's hoping that things work out wonderfully for you in the end! :)

Everyone> Thanks for your comments and your patience in putting up with me! If I get annoying, just slap me or something and I'll quit, okay? ;)
Ravyn
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:55:45 PM
IP: svm-ts4-29.c2i2.com

Hi,
I never really read "Pendragon and I LOVE the story "In the Woods" . That's my fav ! So when is Pendragon coming to be back up ? And who makes those pics of the Comment Room's of Teen Demona and Goliath ?
I love those pics !

Heather - [kheetor84@aol.com]
OKC, OK, USA ( of course )
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:50:30 PM
IP: 166-110-228.ipt.aol.com

That last post was me. See! I really need some sleep.
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:48:15 PM
IP: 207-172-53-230.s230.tnt4.brd.erols.com

DEAR GOD! THE COMMENT ROOM IS BEING OVERRUN BY BANDOS!
Who knew, huh? First the clones, now the bandos...

Coyote: I like the Kordell Stewart commercial where he's tossing the newspapers, and he takes that guys arm clean off. That's a funny commercial man!

Deuce: You had just better pray that Ringo Starr doesn't show up, or all hell is gonna break loose. Be thankful, you could have even got.....*shudder*....Yoko! John wouldn't be so bad though.

Airwalker: At the risk of insulting (sorry!) all my half/full garg friends, I personally think we humans were first. But then again, In the fashion of all the Greek philosophers, I'm a humanist. But then again, again, we humans rule the world, so hey, what ya gonna do about it? :P

I gotta go. To much work and no sleep has made me silly tonight. Well, more than usual.
Anonymous
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:47:33 PM
IP: 207-172-53-230.s230.tnt4.brd.erols.com

**Coyote enters the room, suddenly blinded by the radiating light coming from the form of Ravyn. Quickly he pulls on his sunglasses.**

Sorry. Eyes are kind of light sensitive because of my contacts, you understand, right? Anyway, I'm running through to respond to some things.

Sevarius Jr.: You got that right I hate that ad. It's insulting to bandos everywhere. We are more than just cannon fodder for quarterbacks!!

Wilek, Fire Storm: Thanks for the offers and the amazement, but it's actually pretty upgraded for a 386 ... it has a VGA card in it, which makes the coloring of pics less guesswork than it normally would be, and as far as the stories go they're all on HD floppies. The only thing that really sucks about it is I have a very slow modem which can only interface with my ISP at 9600.
But fear not, for we are planning to get a new machine. Probably my mom is using her tax return to get us a Gateway Pentium II with all the Web goodies. Fun will ensue. hee hee hee hee ....

**composes self.**

David Christensen: Hmm ... y'know, I created a "Detective Jaden" for my cyber-comic. Didn't develop his character too well, but that Jaden was a less-than-intelligent character, much different from what you are, I am sure. At any rate, I like the name.

Coldstone: That's what I figured it was ... such are the benefits of being a Navy brat.

Ravyn: Mine? Romantic? Well ... I didn't really tell it ... it's more kind of like Deuce's. Don't mean to bring you down any.

Speaking of Deuce: Know how you fell, man. In my case, we'd been together for *four years.* I didn't find it any reason for injuring myself, though. Hope you heal soon. (Hey, maybe you and I should form our own little "depressed dumped men" club! (j/k))
So you're a bando as well, huh? I can tell you now, if you had been here playing flute, you would have definitely been given the "band fag" label, believe me. Actually, I have the highest respect for floutists, as they have to do stuff with their lips that most saxophonists don't even *think* about.

Christine: Welcome back to the land of the lunatics!

Thought that came to my mind just now (call it a Creativity Demon if you like): Imagine the frustration of a gargoyle trying to learn to play the saxophone ... trying to use eight fingers on a horn designed for ten. (Personally, I think of Goliath trying to do it, becoming frustrated, and slinging the horn halfway across Manhattan. Ouch. That poor horn!!! AUUUUGHHH!!!!)

**Coyote runs out of the room in hysterics. Just the mere *thought* of any gargoyle destroying any saxophone scares him silly.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:14:09 PM
IP: 207.91.254.40

Ok people when is TIMEDANCER going to start. I am waiting to see what happens to Brook and Sata.

Hurry up and get it on I need it or I'll just die in not knowing what is happening to them.

Silver Arrow
Silver Arrow - [slvrairo@rr.san.com]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 10:54:48 PM
IP: dt0d0n67.san.rr.com

(Brian walks into the comment room but is immediately blinded by the glow from Ravyn , he falls to the ground clutching his eyes . He then turns away , puts on a -Very- dark pair of sunglasses as he turns to face the CR .)

Ravyn : Jeez , that was some kiss if the euphoria is still going strong .

Doug : Sympathies pal , I have never heard anthing thatt strange in quite awhile . It sounds like something a desperate person would do but was still held back by some moral implications . But then again , different cultures . . . .
I finished reading your fanfic by the way . I must say I did find it rather enjoyable . It struck as a little (nnot a chance in hell ) sort of way at first , (Goliath was _FAR_ too eager to accept the good o'l Web Slinger as clan IMHO ) , but other than that I do'nt see too many problems that getting a better idea of the character and a little more experience ca'nt fix .
Oh By the way - bigblackgargoylebigblackgargoylebigblackgargoyle
Which Thailog was that anyway , the one from TGC , or your own fanfiction .

Todd : Can we start back with the surveys now that the room is just about refinished and just needs a little more work .

Dumlo : What's th third thing that you have planeed ? I'm hoping that it is to finish reloading the incorrectly workin CR pics . Pleasepleaseplease .

Welcome all newcomers . Jaden sounds fine to me .

Um , folks I want to start going by a callsign so how does "Rolling Calf" strike you . Please be perfectly honest (cruel if necessary) cause I have a long list to go through before I decide . I like the aforementioned one because it is a Jamaican myth .

Live well .

(Brian turns to wlk out of the comment room strutting to the tune of "Staying Alive" .)
Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 09:27:12 PM
IP: 208.11.41.194

[Wilek glides in, wearing sunglasses to shield his eyes from Ravyn's refulgence.] That means bright glow, if you're wondering. We gargs have pretty light-sensitive eyes, you know. :) Now if anyone calls you refulgent you won't get mad at them. ^_^

Race numbering> I always thought the races were about the same age, and were numbered in the order that they began coming to power. Humans are currently leading the world, although my race may join them when humans start to accept us. As for the Fey...I'm not sure when or if humans will learn of them on a grand scale. If humans react to Fey like they did to my race, though, the Fey will be *royally* ticked. We all know what happens when a Fey gets ticked. Ack.

Christine> Glad to see you back. Oh, I'd better return this. [Wilek tosses Christine her blessed Goliath rearview mirror figurine that he used to kill Wilek Fieger The Second in the clone war.]

Kyryn> Kewl creativity demon. As I remember, Tinkerbell did in fact have a fairly bad attitude...A friend of yours is a synthetic intelligent killing organism? Yikes. I'll bet no one messes with you.

Deuce and Todd> Actually, glaucoma isn't as much of a disease (ie caused by bacteria, viri, or other pathogens) as it is a structural degradation, much like those caused by aging. Probably, only those diseases or injuries brought about by aforementioned pathogens or external trauma could be healed by stone sleep.

Deuce> If you have a problem with bizarre keyboard controls, try getting a Gravis GamePad Pro. It's pretty much a PC version of a PlayStation controller. It comes with software that allows you to map keyboard keys to the GamePad buttons. Very handy in games that don't normally support joysticks.

Doug> Maybe the thief stole your stuff as some sick juvenile prank. Hey, you're becoming friends with Thailog? Too kewl. Maybe he's reforming. Anyhow, tell him he did a killer job on bass and vocals when we did my Army Of The Night filk. (Thailog lives in an apartment? I always pictured him in a big creepy mansion. Oh well.)

Fire Storm's Very Evil Demona/Elisa Creativity Spawn> I think I have the hang of Miriam's exorcism spell. [Wilek produces a wooden box from somewhere, removes a spellbook, opens it, puts a stone of some sort on the open page, pokes his finger with a lancet, and lets three drops of his blood fall onto the stone. He holds a rosary over the now-glowing book and recites a spell. The very evil creativity spawn is sucked into the stone. Wilek puts his spell paraphernelia away.] Cyber cookie to whoever can tell me where that spell is from.

Must run all. [Wilek glides out.]
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 09:22:21 PM
IP: tnt-1-155-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Paul: You don't see Madoc as a villain? Come on, man! He may believe he's in the right by doing all the things he does (almost all villains do), but that doesn't change the fact that things like trying to kill the clan time and again, turning the world against it in many ways, etc., are right. Madoc is still an evil guy, not a neutral one, and really one of the best I've seen in fanfic. He's also not entirely motivated by anger over the death of his father at human hands. He also believes that his race should be making humans and gargoyles its slaves and amusement, he's angry because he was denied Titania and the throne of the fay, he's mad because so many of his plans continue to fail (but he can always make other ones), and he's mentally unbalanced as well. So, all in all, he is a bad guy. No question about that. Ditto for all the other Unseelie.
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 09:13:58 PM
IP: fac-b-a6.lib.utexas.edu

(Doug appears on the monitor, knocking on the door of the apartment above his as he continues his investigation. The door is opened by a large gargoyle that looks like Goliath, only white-haired, black-skinned, and red-eyed. Also smiling evilly. Doug asks Thailog, who he's slowly becoming friends with, about the burglary. The big bad black gargoyle (say it three times fast) says he knows nothing. Doug thanks him, then turns to make his post as Thailog closes the door.)

Jonathan: No, I am not Doug Elder, the New Zealand Minister. I am a simple college student by day, studying history and one day planning to teach it. By night, when I'm not studying or sleeping, I walk the streets of Austin with my gang of friends the Black Ravens, keeping the peace and saving lives as we enjoy ourselves and try to have fun. Thanks for the well-wishes on the burglary, but I still wonder if the guy who robbed me had a reason. I mean, he didn't take anything really valuable in terms of money. Maybe that's cause it was all wired down six ways from Sunday (yes, I confess to owning lots of electronics). I'm also curious as to why he took little things like my sherrif's cap and my Invasion America book, and why he took some of my software (you can't resell that stuff!). Also, why did he leave all the good movies behind and take only a couple boring ones when he went through my tape collection? Why go through my CDs but not swipe any of them? And why the hell did he have to grab my whole backpack full of school-related materials? Oh well, the police are working on it. They'll get the guy. I found out today there's been a rash of burglaries in the UT area recently, so maybe it's the same perpetrator. All the police know is that a big Mexican guy with tatooed arms is suspected in one of the burglaries, where four guys had the wallets and keys stolen by an intruder in their home while they were sleeping. I hope the police solve that burglary, too. By Friday, I'll know what they have on mine so far.

Looking forward to seeing more of Liz and Lex, as well as Richard and George (and some kind of dealing with the girl he got pregnant, Quinn) in future TGS eps!

That's really all the news I have. Sorry I don't have more. I'm off now, later!

(Doug heads off to continue his investigation. The last anyone sees before the monitor goes blank is Thailog coming out of his apartment, dressed to kill.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 08:48:20 PM
IP: fac-b-a6.lib.utexas.edu

Wilek> You were asking about Frank Welker's career? He did the "speaking" voice for Rahzar and Tokka in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Two and the voice of Ra in Stargate.
SOROW/Allison
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 07:25:25 PM
IP: usr3-1-dialup4.mix1.irving.cw.net

OOPS! hit the submit button. So sorry. I'll be brief.

Flashback is =A= rockin' 1993 game where all the controls are at the bottom of the keyboard. Hurts your wrists like hell. A piccolo is so tiny, you have to have small hands to play without pain. I know, I'm doing the solo intro to "Forrest Gump".

OK, I'm gone for good.
Deuce (again) - [oopsie@bigmisteak.com]
CanadaWednesday, October 14, 1998 07:22:38 PM
IP: ppp0003.connect.ab.ca

Sorry to post again, but I have a confession.

My name is Deuce, and I'm a bando. I don't know if you'd count me as one, seeing as how all I play is flute (no I'm not a "band fag"... but that is a new one), and all I can play in is band CLASS, 'cause there's no place for flutes in Stage or Jazz band. But at least I don't play the piccolo: that's even more of an invitation to carpal tunnel syndrome than the game "Flashback"! (Note: Flashback: The Quest for Identity is rockin'
Deuce (again) - [oopsie@bigmisteak.com]
CanadaWednesday, October 14, 1998 07:20:40 PM
IP: ppp0003.connect.ab.ca

DEUCE - I was the one who came up with "George Harrison" as the name of Richard Harrison's older brother, but I didn't have the Beatles in mind. When we created the character, we didn't automatically have a first name for him as we did with Richard, and were trying to work one out for him. Somebody happened to mention Shakespeare's King Richards (I forget who, though), and I suddenly thought of "Richard III", where Richard III has an older brother named George, Duke of Clarence (he's the guy that gets drowned in the barrel of malmsey wine in Act One) and couldn't resist suggesting "George Clarence" for the older Harrison's first and middle names. Christi Smith Hayden pointed out the Beatles connection that I had missed, but decided to keep it anyway.

As for gargoyle diseases, I imagine that stone sleep cures most of them, and since gargoyles aren't humans but a separate species with many biological differences, they may not get the same diseases that humans get (although if you count "The Goliath Chronicles" as canon, there's always Hudson's glaucoma in "The Dying of the Light").
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 07:16:25 PM
IP: pn9-ppp-190.primary.net

Deuce> All the way in Canada? Wow...aw, man, sorry to hear about your break-up. I hope things get better for you! :)
Ravyn
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 07:10:27 PM
IP: svm-ts6-12.c2i2.com

Hey, everyone. OK, I have a rather large in interesting bone to pick with somebody. I don't know who, but whoever came up with the name "George Harrison" has an odd imagination. Wasn't that the name of one of the Beatles? I'm pretty sure that was it, unless it's really close to that. But c'mon, that's rather blatant, ain't it?

Ravyn> Wow. You're glowing. I can see you glowing all the way up here (Canada). Love's grand, isn't it? Sadly, my story isn't so lovely. Yesterday, one week after our one-year anniversary, I got dumped by the first girl I ever kissed (incidentally, she's the first one I've ever fallen in love with). So I've not been in a grand mood lately. *looks forlornly at fist, flexing it wit a grimace on his face* And punching cinderblock walls doesn't help much, either. Oh, well. I'm glad to hear you had a good time. That guy's really lucky.

Well, time for a snack. I left my lunch at home today, and I haven't eaten in ten hours (a bowl of Cheerios at quarter to seven this morning). I have hypoglycemia, too. This ain't healthy.

One last question: could a gargoyle get diabetes/hypoglycemia, or other diseases like Alzheimer's or cancer? I defer to you, friends.

*flys off in search of food, and something to soothe his aching hand*
Deuce - [yadayadayada@seinfeld.com]
CanadaWednesday, October 14, 1998 07:02:44 PM
IP: ppp0003.connect.ab.ca

**Ravyn walks in, grinning**

Wow! I didn't think I'd cause this much of a discussion about kisses! Thanks to everyone that gave me kind words and congratulations! I really do appreciate it! And I love to hear all your romantic stories! :)

Christine> Welcome back!

Well, gotta go! **Ravyn walks out, little hearts floating above her head like in cartoons...**
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 06:40:03 PM
IP: svm-ts6-12.c2i2.com

KYRYN-- 13 years? Heck, that's what I'm hoping for with me and Alison :)

TGS FAQ PAGE-- Funny thing. We did this last year. Every concievable question was asked and answered there. Problem was, in our fan mail box, those same questions in the FAQ were asked to us over and over again. In my eyes, then, the FAQ was a waste of space.

Then again... maybe I should give it a go one last time. I'll try to put it up once more. If the same questions crop up again and again, then I'll forego the FAQ and humble myself with what I do now. You ask & I answer.
DumlaoX
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 06:07:19 PM
IP: clsc-pc-11.clicc.ucla.edu

LAST LAST TIME-- Dark Ages season 2 is yet to be determined. Once we get a date of showing, we'll let you all know.

AIRWALKER-- All a matter of perspective. In the eyes of Humans, for example, they might consider themselves the first race and everyone else younger than them. Same goes for the Gargoyles and for the Fey. Each believes that they are the older, and thus superior, race. Truth is no one can exactly prove which is truly the older race.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 06:02:36 PM
IP: clsc-pc-11.clicc.ucla.edu

<Kyryn drops down from the rafters, where's she's been lurking>

Anonymous> Dark Ages is delayed. Staff will post a notification when they have a release date, but it's going to be at least the beginning of next year before it's out.

TGS Staff> Considering the number of repeated questions about release dates for TD and DA, maybe you could post a note about it on the TGS page?

Wilek> Your mention of the evil pixies brought out a Creativity Demon. Image.....Tinkerbell goes bad.

Allison/SOROW> Cool name. I have a friend who goes by the acronym SIKO, which stands for Synthetic Intelligent Killing Organism

Ravyn> I didn't get my first kiss at the prom, but it was from the same guy I went with. BTW, thirteen years later I'm still with him and we're getting married soon. It's a long and complicated story as to why thirteen years, but we're finally there. And, yes I've been with him all that time.

Coldstone> Enjoyed the filk. I haven't gotten a chance to read most of your fic yet, but I loved the crossovers.

<Kyryn strolls out the room humming tunes from the Aristocats>
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 05:58:50 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

I am back from my little vacation. Kid brother is married off, family is wacky as ever, and the only real snags happened getting to the airport (first time -- missed the flight, five hours' wait; second time -- overturned gravel truck almost made us miss _that_ flight!). I got to peddle books to the relatives and some of them might actually read them ...
Christine - [vecna@eskimo.com]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 05:54:21 PM
IP: vecna.ndip.eskimo.net

Question to the TGS Staff - In both parts of 'The Rising', various members of the Unseelie (mainly Maddox and Maeve) refer to Humans and Gargoyles as "the younger races". Now my question is:

Aren't the fay the third race, the youngest race? I always thought that the order of the three races were Gargoyles, Humans, and Fay. After all the natures of the three races seem to imply this.

I always believed Gargoyles to be the oldest because that is the only reason that explains stone sleep. The absence of other races would make this evolutionary development useful. Also the fact that Gargoyles protect, that they have this instinct toward humans, suggests as sort of "older brother" approach on the part of the Gargoyles.

Fay, on the other hand, strike me as the youngest race. The pranks and manipulations that they do (Puck for example) are the kind that children who are corrupted by alot of power would do. Most Fay seem to do what they want (although some are more responsible than others).
Airwalker
Brooklyn, NY
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 05:27:51 PM
IP: 86.new-york-02.ny.dial-access.att.net

Hey, where's Dark Ages Season 2!?! Don't leave me hangin'!
Anonymous
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 05:00:45 PM
IP: user-4045.fiber.net

ALERT!!!

The Credits on the TGS page have finally been updated. It has been seperated into season 1 credits and season 2 credits. The writers for season 2 will be added when their story appears.

1 out of 3 projects done. Now to try and attack the pic problems
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 04:15:05 PM
IP: dhcp61.oac-commons.ucla.edu

Okay, we've got some interesting developments.

TGS: All right, this is getting rather symbolic. Madoc and Maeve worried about Elisa and Goliath overthrowing them!? Yeah, right! Someone's misread a message. The Sisters were referring to gargoyles and humans fighting together, two people can't just stop a whole race. Elisa and Goliath's relationship was influential in truly bringing the 'younger races' together, to a point where they're now closer than they were from whenever up to the 1,000 ADs.
One 'Union' could've been used as an example. Theirs played a big part in bringing the races together, even though they really didn't do much. But if Elisa hadn't been willing to hold them as a friend...well, a lot of things might've been different. She was the first to accept them in the 'present' so that, by itself, gave some major influence.
I wonder if Lex and Liz are going to become close friends or not. We'll find out, I'm sure. Those links to the Phoenix Gate imprisonment, rather interesting as to how they pulled that off without damaging much of the series. Obviously the sisters were hoping that the Gate would dissolve in the past, and now we know why Madoc wanted the Gate waaaaay back in that Egyptian Episode. A lot of the pieces are falling into place here.
Sheesh! We've seen a vengeance-craved gargoyle, and now that she's shaped-up, now we're dealing with a vengeance-craved fey! Notice how this argument started, though. A human obviously used iron, or something we know nothing of yet that can also injure Fey, to slay his father. In light of this, and a recent incident, Madoc became angry. Oberon doesn't seem to give a heck about humans either even though he leaves them alone. Both parties could seem to be in the right. Demona's views were much 'wronger' if you will, yet here we have someone who kinda' has a right viewpoint.
They won't perish. None of the gargoyles would slay them. Well, save maybe Demona, but still...
It appears maybe 'Nicholas' was being truthful when he said he regarded Lexington as his own son. Gotta' hand it to the TGS Staff to keep-up the fact that GARGOYLES isn't composed of many real 'villians' at all. Just many factions clashing with ideals, hatred, vengeance, etc. There were some jerks like Hakon, but still...
Who noticed that little line about how Maeve was referring to Titania as 'my cousin?' Whether she meant a real cousin or just 'cousin' in the same manner Oberon refers to his 'children' is unknown.
A little incongruity here. Oberon's obviously the stronger of the two brothers or he wouldn't have been able to take-down Madoc. Either that or he wasn't expecting an onslaught yet and he wasn't using his full powers because he was concentrating more on Avalon where he'd need to remain mysterious, but not paying too much attention to the humans. So until he'd figured-out a way to actually assault the palace again, since they probably did in the beginning and were kicked-out and regarded as minor nuisances, well, he must've been lying low and continued to do so, moving-up the campaign when Oberon started taking things into his own hands, because I don't think he was trying to slay his own brother then, well, the rest is obvious. He wants his beliefs but doesn't want to go head to head, he hasn't attacked the palace yet (again) without a good plan because he knows their opposition is much larger and that would be a dumb maneuver, so now he's speeding-up the campaign and hoping to remain hidden, more or less. Maybe he was stronger, its just that he had a campaign on his hands and Oberon could afford to retreat to somewhere safe when necessary, not necessarily Avalon, but well-protected and also maybe not, but he knew if he was attacked he could return there, not in hiding. Madoc was taking the better risks. At the end, though, they must've come face to face, so the full details of their first true clash probably won't be revealed. If its left for the reader to interpret, please drop me a line, Todd. I don't like spoilers but I don't mind a few tantalizing hints.
Thanks for fixing the problems with the pictures.
Keep up the great work!

Paul

"They were both treated by...No, it can't be!"-Aya Brea
PARASITE EVE
"That's the dumbest way to keep a mystery a mystery I've seen yet."-Me, Talking Out Loud After Reading That
Paul Allen Nathans - [Grnother@worldnet.att.net]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 04:06:02 PM
IP: 250.morristown-05-10rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

DumlaoX: 'Tis OK! I love your little teaser lines. Just try to keep the RL and TGS dates separate next time ;) And I'm actually keeping all my guesses to myself mostly… after getting Maddox upside down in season 1, I'm going to watch more cautiously the events of season 2, and if I make guesses make them when there's a bit more to prove/disprove them… :) Interesting with Umbriel… very, very interesting.
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 03:59:37 PM
IP: modem-31.iodine.dialup.pol.co.uk

Sigh.. RL keeps me out for a few days and look what I miss!

POST FOR DOUG.

Sorry to hear about your Burglarlry (?) but look on the bright side. At least they had some reason to do it. :)

My RL crisis was the Police phoning me at 1:30am to tell me that someone had run a van through the front of my business.
When I got there I found that it was a shop down the road which had been ram-raided.
They never took anything- they were just bored so they stole a van and smashed it into the shop.
we were very happy that it hadn't been us. spent quite a while out there talling with the owner while the police were chasing the people down. And then the radio station told everyone that it was us who had been robbed so every relative in range of the radio either turned up to help clean up or phoned to see if we wanted help- very nice but IT WASN"T US!!!
well not this time- our last break in was in july- yes it was a ram-raid. It wouldn't have been so annoying if they hadn't caused $2,500 worthof damages and stole n $50 worth of Chocolates...

Anyway (yes, the boring story is OVER now...) doug I'm just posting this to say I know what it feels like (and that I guess that you really AREN'T Doug Elder, crown minister for Police and Civil Defence for Her Majest's Govt of New Zealand...) and that you're having better luck with the Police than I have lately..



Jonathan
NEW ZEALANDWednesday, October 14, 1998 02:15:11 PM
IP: wh20-12.wave.co.nz

Coyote & Doug> Yep, that's combat fighter pilot jargon! The literal translation is "Hold your flight level and check behind you for bogies(enemy fighters)!" I picked it up from reading a comic called "Tigers of Terra" by Ted Nomura, a great "alternate history" comic from Antarctic Press (one of the BEST comic book publishers around! The produce "Ninja High School" from Ben Dunn and "Gold Digger" from Fred Perry. <grin> Got to LOVE Fred for Gina and Cheetah!) The phrase came from one of the characters from ToT, who was closing one of the "technical reference" sections at the end of that current issue. Just sounded good to me, so now that's how I close most of my email and corrospondence.

Flik> For anyone that can't place the tune, watch the "Aristocats" from Disney, and listent to the song when the tomcat, O'Malley (voiced by Phil Harris) Makes his entrance. You can also listen to it, if you can't find the movie on tape, on the "Classic Disney, Vol. IV" CD. That one also has the "Oogie Boogie Song" from "The Nightmare Before Christmas"; a movie I regret not seeing first when it came out.

Well, that's it for me! I have a Computer/Electronics Expo to attend today (searching for job oppertunities still!).

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 10:57:29 AM
IP: 207.170.232.18

T.J. VEIL - Um, you've got "Reprisals" confused with "The Rising". "Reprisals" was last season's finale, "The Rising" is this season's opener.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 07:06:14 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-138.primary.net

Hi. This is my first time posting in the comment room, but I've been reading TGS from almost the beginning. I just thought I'd give my thoughts on Reprisals.
*****SPOILERS for Reprisals (both parts). If you haven't read it yet, why are you here?*****

I'll start by saying that I thought that the first part was better than the second. The buildup to the Unseelie Ride was excellent, and I was also glad that we got to see a little bit of each of the characters. I'm also hoping that at some point the staging area in Manhattan sees more use. Of course, Demona, being a magician, may be able to find it. And we got to see more of the Unseelies. Part Two could be divided into two seperate sections, the first of which is the Ride, and the second is the history of the Unseelie Court. The ride had some good parts, but I would have liked to see more of the gargoyles encountering them. Instead we see them terrorizing the public, which of course was their goal. We only see the encounter between Loki and Brooklyn and Co. Although this was a good scene, I would have liked to see how the others reacted. I felt a little let down when Madoc and his followers pulled back short of doing anything major. The second half where Owen explained how the Unseelies were banished was better. I'm looking forward to seeing Danu again, if we haven't already. Along with everyone else, I am glad to see the return of Liz. If there was ever a time Lex needed a friend it is now. Her disappearance was one of my biggest disappointments in the first season. Of course, there are still several missing characters, including Sharon and the Cold-bunch. All in all, this was a good episode, but several parts seemed a little jerky. It isn't as excellent as several of the episodes, but it is still one of the better episodes, if only for the history of the Unseelie Court that we were provided and the focus on the characters in the first part.
************End Spoilers********

Well, that's it for now, but I'll be around. It's gonna be tough waiting until next year for the new Timedancer eps, but I suppose I'll have to deal with it.

Bye for now.
T. J. Veil - [hiddenagenda@rocketmail.com]
Ames, IA
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 03:10:14 AM
IP: welch-roberts-171-165.res.iastate.edu

FINALLY got my Pentium II 400 in the mail! (Waited long enough!)
Now, If I can only get my REAL keyboard to work. :(

Static-Pulse: It may be interesting, but I doubt i will write about it.
(Although...) <VECSG> <Very Evil Creativity Spawn Grin>

Speaking of the Wierd Sisters Agenda, I hope they return to the Timedancer saga, like in the series premire!

First Kiss: I know when I first kissed LM, it did NOT turn out too well. Memorable, yes. Pleasureable... yes.
Second times a charm, I always say!

Ravyn: Yeah... I went to prom with LM. I just wish it went better. Left too early. Never got that dance. I am still beating myself up over that. <Sob>

I may regret doing somthing wrong or not doing something earlier in our relationship, but I have NOT regretted WHO I have a relationship with.

Coyote: Want a upgrade for your computer? I have access to some low price computers that may be available REAL soon. (under $400 for a cyrix 180)
And if your worried about your stories, they can always be put on CD-ROM. Trust me on that one. :)

God... even at home, I can't stop thinking about work. What a bummer.
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 02:54:19 AM
IP: dhcp151.visitus.net

Okay...as I was checking out all the lastest comments, I noticed that almost everyone had a nickname of some sort...so I'm trying to think one up. The first thing that came to my head is Jaden. So tell me what all of you think because I would really like to know. I thought I heard Goliaths voice in Armageddon, I'm glad I was right because I was wondering if I was spending too much time looking up Gargoyle stuff (like that's even possible).

Todd Jensen> That is weird...when I put "Mardoc" instead of "Madoc" I really thought that I had the right name because it felt right.
David Christensen - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, California, U.S.A.
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 01:30:34 AM
IP: pm1-20.sma.silcom.com

Wilek, in the study of Frank Welker's career, he has done numerous speaking parts. Ray Stantz, on the cartoon The Real Ghostbusters is one of them. And of course, he supplied the voice for that cool cat, Freddie on Scooby Doo.
And if you've read Christine Morgan's short story, you know that Freddie _really_ got around ;)
Sevarius Jr.
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:45:04 AM
IP: 207-172-142-247.s247.tnt21.brd.erols.com

[Wilek, Miriam, Wavers, Seri, Jake, Teri, Anoth, and Forfexx glide, fly, levitate, and are carried into the CR.] It's so good to be back after the clone war! A dark future has been averted...[Wilek recieves his Dutch chocolate cybercookie from Kyryn.] Thanks. <munch munch munch>

****RISING SPOILERS AHEAD--MAKE CERTAIN YOU READ BOTH PARTS OF THE RISING AND RECIEVE INNOCULATIONS FOR APHASIA AND ENANTIODROMIA BEFORE PROCEEDING****
I was ROTFL when Loki called Brooklyn "Beak Freak". Not that I think Brooklyn looks all that freakish (he's the kewlest-looking canon garg IMO, followed closely by Griff in second and Delilah in third; wish I had a beak), but it's so dang funny! The union...It could refer to Demona herself, as she transforms between human and garg forms. (Come to think of it, so do *I*.) And I rather like that it was Owen who explained the Unseelie thing. It lended a dread and gravity to the story that Puck is simply incapable of generating. BTW, for those of you who actually do the HTML for the stories, there's a way to indent. Just type "&nb sp;" five times, minus the quotes and the space between b and s. Also, who here thinks that Umbriel will end up betraying the Unseelie to the gargs and Oberon? And there's something I like about the concept of evil pixies. I don't know why. Maybe it's the irony.
****END RISING SPOILERS--HAVE A NICE DAY****

****SPOILAGE ALERT****
When left in the sun long enough, mayonnaise grows hair and becomes locomotive under its own power. I had to kill it before it developed language skills.
****END SPOILAGE ALERT****

Coyote> Is that what a Bando is? I thought it was some mystic thing, akin to Vedek or Shaman. Um, a 386 is all you have? That's what you write your fabulous stories on? That's where that wonderful pic of me and Miriam was scanned and colored? Wow, there's a mind-blower. Maybe after you get WCC finished, you can get a new computer. If you're worried about losing all the stuff that's on your old HD, you could have it transplanted into the new computer. That's what I did when I upgraded from a Pentium 75MHZ to a 166MHZ.

AotN> Your biology teacher does Pinky And The Brain impressions? So do I! "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but I doubt Owen would look all that fetching in a miniskirt. Fox on the other hand--" "Pinky, you're a waste of amino acids." "Narf."

Hey, has Frank Welker ever done an actual speaking role?

I'd like to quote Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) from his book "The Joy Of Work". You'll see why when you read the quote. "Take anything that makes sense and turn it inside out and backwards just to see what it looks like...Take a normal character and make him the opposite of what his stereotype would suggest." Now who are you all thinking of? :)

Well, must glide all. After what we've been through, I would sleep for two weeks if I could sleep at all. Bye. [The gang leaves.]
Wilek Nereus
Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:07:23 AM
IP: tnt-2-146-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Coyote: Then you must hate that Kordell Stewart commercial where he's nailing the marching band with the footballs...I'm sorry, I love that commercial. It's just too darn funny ;P
Sevarius Jr.
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:11:07 PM
IP: 207-172-142-247.s247.tnt21.brd.erols.com

**Coyote enters the room carrying his computer on his back and holding the screen in front of him (quite a trick since he's using an old 386.)**

Just stopping by to make some replies and some comments.

Sevarius Jr.: Well, everybody else thought it was funny ...

Kyryn: We couldn't really threaten anyone with physical harm from our insturments. It stemmed from an incident when the director (when we were marching out of our football field) threw a student in the way against a chain-link fence. To make a long story short, all hell broke loose politically speaking, the student wound up with a public apology and nobody ever took us seriously at our own school from that point on. Even when we won state championships. The one that steams me even now is my junior year when we won our second in a row, were hoping that people would have hung around after the Homecoming dance (since we had given it up to perform) to greet us. Who was there? Not a single damn person. OOOOOHHH!!!

AotN: Happy early birthday. I will genuflect with the proper respect and fear should our paths cross on the expressway. ;) (j/k) BTW, knowing you are a bando (from your statements in the past), what are your band members called?

Ravyn: WAY TO GO, GIRL!!! WOO-HOO!! **collects self.** Sigh. Young love is so ... lovely. You'll always remember it, no matter what. (I on the other hand would like to forget mine ... but if I tell that story now somebody will shoot me just to put me out of my misery, so I'll pass right now.)

SOROW: Interesting handle. I like it.

Coldstone: I would have commented (I personally like the lyrics) but I have absolutely no idea what the melody to that song is, so I have no cross-reference. Sorry.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "Maintain and Check Six" come from air combat (dogfighting)? I know at least the "check six" part refers to making sure nobody's behind you trying to kill your a**. (in other words, "check your six o'clock")

Human/Gargoyle: I know everybody's come up with almost every possible version of the prophecy, but here's one I happened to think of. What about the Avalon clan, since for all intents and purposes they were raised by humans (Katherine, Tom and the Magus)? Just a thought.

Must go. Computer ... too ... heavy!!!

**Coyote runs quickly out of the room, hoping to unload his machine before he falls on it and making it worse than it already is.**


Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:29:32 PM
IP: 207.91.254.36

BLACK BOX-- For WebTV, this means that the page juct couldn't find the pic. Dunno what the heck is going on with that, though.

In any case, I'll head for my lab at home and try to fix the problem from there.

And on this comp, the TD logo problem seems to be fixed. If it isn't, however, then I'll work on that too.

Till next time...
DumlaoX
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:05:48 PM
IP: dhcp115.oac-commons.ucla.edu

DumlaoX Some of the problems with the picture archive are the same. About half have been fixed.

Unseelie Toman logo black box this time - last time it couldn't find the page.

Everytime the word TIMEDANCER is used as a heading or entry into somewhere it looks like your looking down the Phoenix Gate from the top. Wierd.

Misc., Concepts, Staff - OK

Darkages Characters - OK
Darkages Illustrations

Atalanta - Couldn't find the page (Same as before)
Agamemnon/Hudson - Blackbox (Same as before)
Othello/Desdemona -There is no web page or other information available for the item chosen. (Same as before)

Timedancer (except for logo), and Pendragon - OK

Gargoyles Illustrations, Season 2 - OK

Gargoyles Season One - Same problem. Same pictures

Brooklyn and Family, Elisa, Canmore, Owen can't find the page. These are the first four pictures in the file.

Hope it helps. I'm more than willing to do what I can to help. I don't know if the black box is a quirk of webtv or that the picture didn't download
correctly.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 09:37:52 PM
IP: proxy-341.public.rwc.webtv.net

Ravyn: Sigh... Oh well, it sounds like the guy who did kiss you is just as great a man and much nicer. So no great loss.

Coldstone: Good filk. Sorry I didn't say that earlier. BTW, where did "Maintain and Check Six" come from?

In case anyone's curious, the forthcoming story I earlier mentioned I haven't really begun yet. I just have the outline and the disclaimer, as well as the "Previously..." parts. I'll probably start on it this weekend.

SOROW...I like it!

That's all for now.
Doug
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 09:21:00 PM
IP: hil-dnptt-232.oh.compuserve.net

Rayvn: Congrats on the first kiss! A memory that never leaves you . . . Course, for me, I'm marrying my first kisser! :)

Say, didn't anyone read my filk? <points to an earlier post further down the page!>


Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 09:03:27 PM
IP: 21.ieway.com

Taking a hint from from Doug, I think I'll plug my own work, not that it's much....click on my name to go to my site, all the stories are there, and I guess you could call this a continuation, it has a name and everything.......

Under no contract whatsoever,
not ever, ever having any chance of being produced into something more,
Ordell (aka yours truly) presents
Gargoyles: Children of Twilight----
A young computer hacker from New York, a Jay and Silent Bob type duo, a young redhead with homicidal tendencies, and three gargoyles who just happened to know way to much. These are the Children of Twilight, a select few who will one day change the world. Some band together for the better, while others find rivals to deal with, they all search for their future, and their past. But the past may not be anything they want to know, and the secrets held there will make one of them fall from grace, only to be lifted up again, for yet another mission into darkness.


Just so people will know, that and I'm bored....let me know what you think.....
Ordell - [ordell9425@geocities.com]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 08:55:58 PM
IP: 202-129-247.ipt.aol.com

Doug> *grins* Thanks! Actually, no, it wasn't the guy that inspired Alex Wonder. It was a guy that has been a good friend of mine for about two years now, and I guess he finally got up the nerve to take our relationship farther than "just friends." Oh, well! Thanks for the congrats, guys! :)
Ravyn Maza
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 08:26:25 PM
IP: svm-ts3-25.c2i2.com

Let's try it, shall we?????????Who am I?
SOROW
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 08:12:59 PM
IP: usr1-3-dialup33.mix1.irving.cw.net

I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!My nickname is SOROW! No, it's not a typo! It stands for Society Of Rebel Outcast Workforce, something I used in an essay. Cause I'm kind of an outcast at school and home. Now I feel really official! Say bye-bye to Allison!
Allison
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 08:10:30 PM
IP: usr1-3-dialup33.mix1.irving.cw.net

Whoops, I should have listed "Clash of the New Olympians" as #11, not #12. Sorry for the typo.
Doug
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:59:28 PM
IP: hil-dnppx-159.oh.compuserve.net

Ravyn: Congrats on all that happened from Kitainia and me. Hope you never lose memory of it. Your first kiss is almost always a pleasant experience, I'm surprised a pretty girl like you hasn't gotten it before now <grin>. (If you want to know, I got mine in sixth grade back in '91 and Kitainia was lucky enough to get hers when she was eleven years old back in 1990. We both enjoyed them) Just out of curiosity, was it the guy Alex Wonder is based on who delivered yours? :)

AotN: Happy Birthday.

DumlaoX: Really? Uh oh... Well, I'll keep the enemy list open and ready, for whenever a new foe comes up. Thank you.

Burglary Investigation News: My feeling about the gameshop didn't play out, they didn't have any BOF3 copies with notes in the margins like I specified. Sigh. Oh well, at least I got my bank account changed so the guy won't profit from my stolen checks. Tomorrow I get a new double-barreled deadbolt lock for my apartment door (old lock's already changed, but this will increase security). The police will hopefully soon know something. Keep up the prayers.

(Shameless Plug Alert!) Oh, and by the way, since Chris's archive is gonna be down for a while, if anyone wants to read some of my stories in the meantime, please e-mail me. For the unknowing, they are:

1. "Webs and Stone-" Gargs and Spiderman crossover, the one that started it all as far as my universe is concerned. Demona teams with the Kingpin to destroy the clan, and Spiderman must team up with the clan to defeat them.
2. "Green Meets Stone-" Goliath, Elisa, Bronx, and Angela encounter the Incredible Hulk and Micheal Canmore while touring via Avalon. This one also introduces the infamous Silvan.
3. "Fall of Nightstone-" Demona's about to lose her company, but she still has enough resources to force the clan into a possible final confrontation. Meantime, the Illuminati dispatches Simon Templar and Ares O'Neil's commando team to steal the genetically iced clones (cf. "Genesis Undone"). This story contains the first appearances of my famous original chracters Agony, Laura, Seth, Sheppard, and Mackovic and special guest appearances by characters from the TV Series Knight Rider & the Sentinel, the movies Pretty Woman and The Saint, and from Christine Morgan's work.
4. "The Past Returns-" Gargoyles/GI Joe crossover. Xanatos was a Cobra supporter back when he was a bad guy, in it for the money. Cobra was destroyed, now he's good. Somebody better inform the Cobra remnants now rebuilding their orginazation of that...
5. "To Be Immortal-" Gargs/Highlander crossover. Xanatos, trying to do what the title says, kidnaps Duncan MacLeod for a genetic experiment. Connor MacLeod and Richie Ryan join forces with Laura and Agony to rescue Duncan as Xanatos begins debating whether he's really doing the right thing in continuing to pursue his obsession and once again becoming the man he was.
6. "Final Hunt-" This five-parter had Demona and the Kingpin ally again, this time arming some new Hunters to take down the clan. A Predator alien also begins hunting game in New York, and the Kingpin faces a gang war from a deadly new rival he does not yet know is really his own son. This story also has the beginning of Demona's reformation in my fanfic universe.
7. "After the Flood-" Learn how the Illuminati of my fanfic universe was created, set against the backdrop of the aftermath of the legendary Great Deluge and an epic battle between a small group of humans, fay, and gargoyles and an army of the walking dead.
8. "Choices-" Wondering who Agony really is, and why he's immortal? Read this one, and you'll learn that and some of what the Unseelie are doing in my fanfic universe as Agony reflects on his past while making some of his long life's most difficult decisions.
9. "One Psycho to Another-" Demona has reformed, and must now make the good guys know that so they can believe it. Meantime, a large and deadly street gang is armed by the Rose, and make several attempts to kill her Seth has to help prevent.
10. "Masterpiece-" Sevarius, the remnants of the street gang from the last story, and Silvan work together to kidnap David and Fox Xanatos's magical prodigy daughter Rachel. To enact their revenge on the Manhattan Clan for various offenses rendered, Sevarius and Muscles Malone then unleash a new creation of the good doctor's, a powerful spellcasting mutant known as Glamayre... Special guest appearance by the X-Men.
12. (forthcoming) "Clash of the New Olympians-" The New Olympians finally reveal themselves to the world, just in time to be destroyed by the Illuminati's new Ultra-Pack.

And many more tales will be told as well. (grin) Hope everyone who reads enjoys. (End Shameless Plugs)

Okay, that's all for now. Later!
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:57:56 PM
IP: hil-dnppx-159.oh.compuserve.net

THERESA-- Try the art archive out now. Made a few changes and I think, at the very least, some of the problems should be fixed now.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:37:27 PM
IP: dhcp73.oac-commons.ucla.edu

DumlaoX> Thanks! :)

**Ravyn reads Kitainia's post about half-human half-gargs and starts thinking...**

Wait a minute! In my world I'm the half-garg half-human clone of Goliath & Elisa! Uh-oh! What if the Unseelie find out? What if they're reading this now? What if...AAAAAAHHH!!!!!!! **Ravyn decides to take off running now to get a head start on the Unseelie Ride**

(Sorry, I'm still floating on some cloud...) ;)
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:37:24 PM
IP: svm-ts5-8.c2i2.com

DumlaoX once you finish redoing the picture archieves let me know and I'll be happy to check them for you again. That is one talented bunch of pencil pushers.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:24:44 PM
IP: proxy-311.public.rwc.webtv.net

Backing up the TGS website right now. An hour left till my Life Sciences discussion begins. Enough time to post here :)

BTW, I love the guesses y'all keep coming up with. Proves to the staff just how entranced you all are about this season.

THERESA-- I see what you mean about the pic archive. Some pics you can get and some you can't. After the backup, if I have enough time, I'll try and fix the pic archiv problem. All it might need is a simple re-uploading of the pics for the server to recognize that they are there.

DOUG-- In the case of the Unseelie creatures and characters, you ain't seen nothing yet.

SHAUNTELL-- http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/ That's the best way to hit the TGS site.

ELLESSAR-- To answer your question... yes

AOTN-- Early Happy b-day!

ED-- Sorry for the confusion. I tend to do dramatic lines like many movie posters and trailers do. Force of habit :P

RAVYN-- Congrats on all that happened. And cherish it with all your heart. That's something you can never forget.

ONE LAST THING-- Still tinkering with site things, such as the aformentioned picture archive fixing, credit page update, and code for an updated comment room. Just lettin y'all know.

till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:13:14 PM
IP: dhcp73.oac-commons.ucla.edu

Hi, everyone!

AotN> Good luck around your weird teacher. Hope he doesn't go psycho on you all during class...and happy early birthday! **Ravyn shouts**Everyone! Clear the roads! AotN is gonna be 16! (heh, heh...) :)

Coyote & Green Baron> Homecoming was absolutely wonderful! I finally got my first kiss, and what a heck of a first kiss it was! I'm floating on Cloud 9 right about now...the lucky guy is _really_ sweet, and it was just wonderful the whole night. ;)

**RISING SPOILERS**
What if the human-gargoyle pairing refers to humans accepting gargs in general? Like maybe all the pairs that people are guessing are right, because they all are human-garg pairings that can spell trouble for the Unseelie...Oh, well, just a thought...
**SPOILERS DONE, AND SO IS MY POST**
Ravyn Maza
Arizona
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:07:44 PM
IP: svm-ts5-8.c2i2.com

Re the crossover question: For this season, just think of Gargoyles and Pendragon as The Gargoyle Saga.

Happy reading!
kathy - [kpogge@atl.mediaone.net]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:01:19 PM
IP: client38034.atl.mediaone.net

hey, I was just curious, in this crossover time, does each story actually belong to a certain series or do they both belong to a collective almost, well I don't want to say "new," but for lack of a better word I'm going to have to, "new" series? if it's a "new" collective, is there a name we should use, or do certain stories fall into one of the two series? just curious, later......
Ordell - [ordell9425@geocities.com]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 06:37:04 PM
IP: 202-135-236.ipt.aol.com

Greetings world. For those of you with a little time to spare please go to

http://fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org/stories.html

our web guru Chris is asking for help in getting the archieves updated and back on line. He needs people with skills I don't have or I would be first in line to volunter.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 06:22:23 PM
IP: proxy-311.public.rwc.webtv.net

*SORT OF A SPOILER, BUT NOT REALLY*
I don't think the Weird Sisters are part of the Unseelie Court. I think they have their own agenda, and it's just easier to give subtle hints and manipulate things. In the end, their loyalty is only to each other.
*END OF THAT*

Frank has done lots of voice work, especially animal or fantastic creatures. I guess he must be one of the few people who specializes in it, because I see his name in the credits a lot.
Cassandra - [nscoa3099@alpha.nsula.edu]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 06:22:23 PM
IP: 204.196.32.66

Hey, my birthday's on Thursday and, in the words of my psyco biology teacher, "I'm so HAPPY!" I'm gonna be sixteen, baby! (Btw, don't ask about the biology teacher. He's new this year, and over the past few weeks, he's cussed in front of us on numerous occasions, made up scary songs regarding our supposed midterm from hell, done "Pinky and the Brain" impressions, and told us about the time when he got in a car reck and lost his memory for a few days. Scary...)

Okay, I'm off to read "The Rising, Pt. 2"!!
AotN
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 06:01:09 PM
IP: dialup-103-44.sssnet.com

<Kyryn pops in shaking her ears. Gotta remember air displacement next time I teleport>

Coyote> Hey bando is cool. I was a band member in high school, but no one ever called us anything uncomplimentary. Especially since we all threatened bodily harm to anyone who did. Instrument cases made GOOD weapons!

Wilek> Cybercookie of your choice. Yes, a shakuhachi is a Japanese flute. It's one that I don't own right now, but hope to have someday.

'Later

<Kyryn pops back out. A loud "OW!" is heard from outside the room. Darn it, forgot the air displacement>
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 05:55:45 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

Did any of you notice that "godzilla" (crap movie), has the same vocal cord as Bronx.....Frank Welker does the "Vocals" for both of them.........
Frodo
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 05:07:43 PM
IP: ras140.vortex.is

Static-Pulse: You're welcome, but what monster stats? If you're referring to the dust dragon, I only sent its stats to Void. Which means he might be giving them out without telling me or my permission. Uh oh.
Doug
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 03:27:40 PM
IP: fac-b-d7.lib.utexas.edu

Todd: With the dates, I would have thought that too… it's the teaser heading- "October 5th - a day that will never be forgotten… blah blah blah" I realise it isn't the "air date" but shouldn't that be 31st October (or, for consistency October 31st)? But that's what puzzled me. That inspiration was subconscious? Interesting.
ED - [ed.reynolds@virg]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 01:54:54 PM
IP: p60-shoveler-gui.tch.virgin.net

Goliath must have had a very productive summer, cause Keith David was also in my favorite new film, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY. He has perhaps one of the funniest lines in the whole film...

"How the hell did you get your beans above your franks?"

Trust me, if you saw that movie, you were probably laughing your arse off at that line.

Coyote: I'm sorry...bando is a good name....but I'm still laughing over "band fag" ;)
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
State of Euphoria
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:30:28 AM
IP: 207-172-54-192.s192.tnt16.brd.erols.com

Fleur - Yes, Keith David was the army general guy in Armageddon. Who also appeard to be the only one in the film to retain any dignity whatsoever. (Haven't seen such an unintentionally funny film for years)

Can I possibly plug my new site here? Please stop by if you have time. I'd like some feedback.

http://members.spree.com/sip/mattdymond/

Thanks
MDY - [MDY21940@yahoo.com]
Leeds, Yorkshire, UK
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:13:52 AM
IP: 195.195.164.140

Elessar notices no Gab pic as he walks into room.

TGS Crew> If Umbriel is Madoc's nephew, and Oberon is Madoc's brother, then wouldn't Umbriel be Oberon's son?

Rising I and II were great, no gun-fights though ;)
Elessar - [n-oder@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:58:32 AM
IP: dial-11.r11.scsumt.infoave.net

*flies in wearing his armor and lands in the CR*

FireStorm> I don't know why... But I find your pairing of Demona and Elisa -- *raises a Spock-like eyebrow* -- very interesting.... hehehe...

Doug> I hope I got the right person. Thanks for the monster info. It is much appreciated! :)

*flies off to the fanfic archives*
Static-Pulse - [khovak@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:48:53 AM
IP: cb1701.wccs.cc.al.us

Fleur: Sorry. Sometimes I'm terrible with names.

Todd: They survived? Oh well. Thanks for at least letting me know.
Doug
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 08:13:10 AM
IP: hil-dnptf-158.oh.compuserve.net

Please excuse the odd format; I got DCed the first time that I tried to send this message to the comment room, and had to paste and copy it.

DOUG - I think that the Fachans survived; at least, I hadn't planned any Unseelie casualties this early in the season.

THE WILD BOAR - He comes from Welsh mythology, and his name (given at
one point in "The Rising Part One", I recall) is Troit. Troit's chief
accomplishment in the past was to ravage Britain seriously during King
Arthur's original reign, until Arthur and his knights hunted him down
and drove him out of the island; you can read the details in "Culhwch
and Olwen", a Welsh Arthur legend found in the Mabinogion. (The story
also includes the original Cavall, after whom the current gargoyle
beast was named).

DAVID - Funny that you should adopt that particular mispelling. In
the town of Modena, Italy, there's a famous archivolt over the north
portal of the cathedral which depicts King Arthur and many of his
knights (including Gawain and Kay) besieging a castle held by a
certain Mardoc. I've sometimes wondered if the "r" was the medieval
sculptor's equivalent of a typo, and the name should have read
"Madoc". And we know that Madoc was causing a great deal of trouble
in Britain during King Arthur's time (if through subordinates such as
Mordred, rather than directly). Very interesting....

SHAUNTELL - Um, I don't have a web site.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 07:11:58 AM
IP: pn9-ppp-209.primary.net

<>SPOILED MILK WARNING!<>
Speaking of the 'union'...
How do we know that the union is one of mating?
Could it be friendship like Robbins and Hudson?
Angela and Richard's friendship?
Or, what about the Quarryman teaming up with the Gargoyles against the Unseelie?
Or, hell... Demona with anyone!(Demona teaming up with Xanatos?)
(SPAWN WARNING! Elisa and Demona!
Elisa: I just LOVE it when you tie me up and scratch my face! It makes me feel... so HOT! <G><G><G> j/k.)

Lady Mystic helped me with these ideas.
Now we have more ideas then anwsers, eh?
<LM>: But it's probally Goliath and Elisa, or a dating relationship at least.

<>END COTTAGE CHEESE WARNING!<>

<Fire Storm and his chorus of Q-Wik Clones Can-Can out of the CR>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 05:03:49 AM
IP: dhcp191.visitus.net

What is another web site I can use to access TGS besdies Tod Jensen? I've used his site a couple of times but what if for some reason I can not access it? The Gargoyles Fan Web Site is not functioning at all and I have no idea why. I am also nervous concernig the length of time it will take for Goliath and Elisa to seperate and get back together. Anyway, thanks to some tips I was able to read the Risiing 1 and 2. They were excellent stories, well done. You can deffinately tell that the end for Goliath and Elisa is near, and I hate that. It makes me wonder how they will handle it and what Madoc and -- whoever she was will do to them. But if there were only two parts to the Rising, when will we find out how the Unseeli are finally stopped? Obviously Goliath and Elisa some how manage, but can they manage while they are apart? Hmm... another pestering question, huh?
Shauntell - [SGagolye9]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 04:01:18 AM
IP: spider-we071.proxy.aol.com

My, my! Already with the guessing! :)

Just to sort of stave everyone's want for Timedancer stuff, I thought I'd share a little filk demon that came in and nipped me tonight (Pat! What'ya want with this? You ever keep these on a chain!? <grin>):

Brooklyn, The Timedancer
(sung to the tune of "Tomas O'Malley Cat" from The Aristocats)
by Stephen R. Sobotka, Jr.

I miss the salty-salty pretzels that they make at home
or a healthy fish with a big back-bone.

I'm A Little Out of Placey
Other Worldly Spacey
I'm Mr. Br-ooklyn
Br-ooklyn, The Timedancer!

I've got that wanderlust. Gotta glide the scene
Travelin' to diff'rent times, with my mate of green.
Gotta influnce the times, meetin' my future fate, yeah.
Tellin' my friends who're older than me
or some new friend I happen to meet, that I'm . . .

A Little Out of Placey
Other Worldly Spacey
Mister Br-ooklyn
Br-ooklyn, The Timedancer!

At once I'm in Norway, Next I'm in New Orleans.
Then in the Brazilian Green. Timetravel is my big scene.
So, if your goin' my way, then I'm the garg your wanna seek!
Egypt to Rome, The Future or Nome. Paris . . . Manna-Fequee you all!

I only got myself, and my lovely mate.
And my own two twins, and this Phoenix Gate.
I don't worry about my fate, cause I don't want to think of that.
Whatever the road I want to take,
it's out of my hands, make no mistake! 'Bout me . . .

Yeah, A Little Out of Placey
Other Worldly Spacey
I'm Mr. Br-ooklyn
Br-ooklyn, The Timedancer!

That's right, and I'll get home someday, yeah!

* * *

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 02:47:45 AM
IP: 98.ieway.com

*Fleur comes in with one hand raised.*
Hi all!
David> Add me to the Madoc-haters club.
Doug> About the guy taking all this weird stuff, and leaving the valubles behind, I know the feeling. When our house got robbed a couple of years ago, the crooks left this crystal set my mum had sitting on the dresser, but took our _doorstop_. Maybe turning to a life of crime scrambles your braincells or something. BTW, the winged things that attacked Brooklyn and Sata were the Fachans, not the Fleur. (I'm Unseelie-enemy no 1, not a card-carrying member!;))
Oh, one more thing that's been bugging me for ages. Is Keith David in Armaggedon? When I was watching it, I swear I heard Goliath rooting for Bruce Willis.
TTFN!

Fleur - [Newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 01:54:33 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

by the way...can i see a show of hands for all the people who seem to really hate Madoc at this point?
David - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 01:35:37 AM
IP: pm1-5.sma.silcom.com

hmmmmmmmmmmm...Deliah. Never thought about her. You know when I first saw her I thought to myself, "Demona and Elisa together as one, her DNA must be ripping itself apart."
David - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 01:33:36 AM
IP: pm1-5.sma.silcom.com

Coyote: No offense, but I have always been mispronouncing the last part of your name. "Coyote the Bandito"!
To me, it just sounds better! <G>

<>SPOILERS AHEAD!<>
Lets see... pairing pairs...
Elisa and Goliath
MacBeth and Demona
Lex and Liz

Personally, my bet is on Lex and Liz.

Acutally... I just read Kitania's post about her being half garg and half human.
Maybe the union is one that Sevarius makes (Or HAS made! Deliah!)
<>END SPOILERS!<>
<>END POST!>
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 01:17:28 AM
IP: dhcp175.visitus.net

sorry I mean "Madoc" not "Mardoc"...me and my stupid typos. :)
David - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, California, U.S.A.
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 12:53:01 AM
IP: pm1-5.sma.silcom.com

The Rising pt. 2 was GREAT!!!!!!! At that party, I was betting that Liz would show up. I think that someone should slap Umbriel up-side the head. He knows that he's on the wrong side he just needs to admite it. I know that Mardoc is the only "family" he has, but jeez he needs to wake-up and look at what's going on around him.
David - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, California, U.S.A.
Tuesday, October 13, 1998 12:48:47 AM
IP: pm1-5.sma.silcom.com

Actually, I can picture, in great detail, just how a Demona vs. Ash (Bruce Campbell) battle would go...

Demona: "Puny human!"
Ash: "Yo, she-bitch! Come get some."
Then the gunfire begins and the dismembered limbs start flying. I'd pay to see THAT particular film...
Sevarius Jr.
Monday, October 12, 1998 11:48:05 PM
IP: 207-172-53-185.s185.tnt4.brd.erols.com

**An evil redcap decides to terrorize the CR. An odd but familiar music plays. At one doorway satnds a man in a green suit with a drawn.....green rosary made of iron. Suddenly a red light engulfs the room as well as an explosion as the redcaps explodes all over the room.**

How is that for an intro?

Mandi> Welcome Back. How was Spring Break? I hope you're ready for midterms.

Ravyn> How was homecoming? It dosen't seem teh same after High School, IMO, and there isn't teh alumni spirit like there used to be at my High School, though I need to get more involved.

Doug> A pity about your house. I hope you get your passport and other stuff back. It shouldn't be outside of Austin.

Spoilers

Rising II was great. I loved the ambivalence shown by Umbriel and the non=chalant attitude by Garlon. Loki was a malicious version of Puck, as befits his name. I wonder who Umbriel's parents are. It would be a hoot if his dad is Oberon. As for Danu, I imagine she will arrive to help out the goood folks of Earth.

END SPOILERS

Goodbye.
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Monday, October 12, 1998 11:32:05 PM
IP: 166-55-82.ipt.aol.com

(Kitainia flies in through the skylight.)

Doug: It's Whowies, not Wodwis! And I'm glad you trusted my intuition tonight and got your game back! You will thank me properly later, right? <sly wink, grin, and come-hither stare at her departing significant other>

(Ep Spoiler Alert)
I loved the Rising, Part 2 even more than 1! Great job, guys. Keep it up. I especially liked the scene with Liz (we will see more of her, right?), and the laughable antics of the Unseelies. Especially what happened to the doom-crier and the part with Brendan and Margo <grin>. Just out of curiosity, what mythos did the great wild boar Unseelie come from?

The Unseelie's evil was also very well-charecterized, especially as opposed to the good guys' opposing qualities. And the parts about a 'union of the lesser races' were great foreshadowing. (Hey, I just realized something! I'm a half-human half-gargoyle mutant! The union they're worried about could be me. Uh oh...) I also enjoyed reading the flashbacks, wonder if Danu's still out there and is gonna show up any time soon. Maybe she'll ride the Dragon King into battle when the time comes. (Just an image I have in my head.) Okay, that's all I have to say about that.
(End Ep Spoilers)

Okay, that's all I came to say. Bye!
(Kitainia glides back out, unaware that a small pixie Unseelie is following her and marking her passage.)
Kitainia - [dierdre34@yahoo.com]
Monday, October 12, 1998 11:25:00 PM
IP: hd31-098.hil.compuserve.com

(Doug walks in, wearing a big smile.)

Thanks to everyone for the break-in well-wishes. I have good news on it. I think I found out where they sold the games they took. This evening, Kitiania's female intuition and my own male said we should go buy a copy of Parasite Eve (one of the stolen games) at Northcross Mall. They had a used copy they'd gotten in like yesterday. I of course bought it, but then as I was leaving the mall it occurred to me that it could have been my stolen copy I just bought. So I raced back in there, and asked them if they'd also gotten in used copies of FF7 and BOF3 in the past couple days. And they had! I ended up telling them the whole story, they wished me well. But since there was no way I could think of to prove the games were really my missing ones, I decided not to pursue the issue. Then as we were riding home, I remembered I had written some notes in the margin of my BOF3 instruction book. If they're still there... By the time I thought of it, it was too late to go back to the closed store, so we went on home. Well, I called the cops about my hunch and got no answer. (Uh!) But tomorrow after class I am going back to that shop and looking at their instruction books, preferably accompanied by a policeman, but I won't have one with me if I can't get one. Keep the happy thoughts coming, people. Things just may work out. :)

Vigilante Justice: Please, guys, I prefer to let the cops handle this. Thanks for all the offers, though. Right now, I'm just glad to have one game back (my intuition strongly says this game was my missing one, though I can't prove it right now), and am praying and hoping I also soon get the other stuff returned, seeing as I had to spend almost $400 so far just replacing all of it. (Urgh!)

Mandi: Actually, I did have a paper in there that was due, but all I had to do was print up another copy off my computer, and no problem. :)

Okay, that's all my news on that.

(Rising Spoilers Ahead)
I too liked the Unseelie action in The Rising. Loki was great, and so were all the ones that did cameos. In the future, I hope to see more of Phobos and Deimos, Sekhmet, Herne, and the Headless Horseman. The redcaps also. And Bronx and Garm just have to get into a dogfight at some point!

Nuckalavees and Wodwis: As far as I know, the Nuckalavee was a horrible sea monster in Scottish folklore. Check the Dark Ages ep "Dreadnaught" for its past appearance in TGS. I think the Wodwis were beastlike monsters of the Austrailian Aborigines' myths. I'm not sure, though.

Just out of curiosity, have all Unseelie characters there are (the main ones anyway) been introduced already, or are there more out there? I'm making a bad guy name list so I can keep track of all of them, and cross names off when the good guys take each bad fay down. (grin) Also, I think I found a possible forsaken plotline in "The Rising, Part 2." When Brooklyn and Sata are attacked by the Fleur, or whatever those feathered monsters were called, we didn't see whether they won or lost. I'm assuming they won (feelings and all), but did they kill the monsters or did they escape? Just want to know so I can cross their names off the list. <grin>
(End Spoilers)

Zath: (Shameless Plug) If you want to see a Demona and Bruce Campbell type character (Seth) interaction, check out my story "One Psycho to Another" at GFW. Demona may be a good guy in that one, but she and Seth do become good friends and he is ready to blow her head off at one point (but of course he does not!). I have a later fic planned called "Capture" where the two of them work together to hunt down the Kingpin.

Speaking of my fic, time to go see if Chris has his site fixed! I hope so. Later!
(End Shameless Plugs)

(Doug walks out, still whistling softly under his breath.)
Doug Elder - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, October 12, 1998 11:15:55 PM
IP: hd31-098.hil.compuserve.com

[No Blaisism this time. Sorry.]
Kyryn> A shakuhachi (sp?) is a sort of Chinese/Japanese flute.
Wilek Nereus
Monday, October 12, 1998 11:05:39 PM
IP: tnt-2-181-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Hi All like Both risings, but A ? when are the other stoires going to start!
Arthur - [FGPape@aol.com]
San Antonio, Texas, USA
Monday, October 12, 1998 10:55:06 PM
IP: spider-to013.proxy.aol.com

**Coyote enters the room blaring one of his Spartan Marching Band season tapes on a hand-held boom box.**

Whaaaaat?! **turns down boom box** You don't know what a bando is? Okay, I'll tell you.

Definition of "bando": Put bluntly, a "bando" is a member of any school band. I picked it up in college, it was a term used by SMB members to classify themselves against the rest of the student body, which were called NAB's (acronym for "Not A Bando."). Besides, it's a term I like better than the high school equivalent I had to put up with, "band fag."
AotN, if you're listening, can you confirm this?

**Coyote turns the tape back up as he leaves.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, October 12, 1998 10:41:24 PM
IP: 207.91.254.68

DumlaoX I just finished checking all the pictures in the archieves.

Timedancer, Pendragon, Misc., Concepts - no problems accessing any of the pictures.

Dark Ages Character - Ajax - couldn't find the page.
Dark Ages Illustrations - Atalanta - couldn't find the page. Agamemnon and Hudson - little black box no picture. Othello and Desdemona - no web page or information for the item chosen.

Unseelie - Unseelie logo by Toman - couldn't find the page

Gargoyles characters - OK
Gargoyles illustrations season two - OK
Gargoyles illustrations season one -

All the following can't find the page message
Brooklyn and Family Time Out of Joint pt 2
Owen Fallout pt 1
John Canmore Fallout pt1
Elisa in Partnership (Snif)

Hope this is not just a quirk of webtv. Also hope it helps.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 10:34:23 PM
IP: proxy-341.public.rwc.webtv.net

Well, the count does include the kittens, the strays I feed and my personal cat house, but, yeah, that's the number more or less. Can't run a respectable cat house without a little pussy. (bad joke for the day.).

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 10:22:43 PM
IP: proxy-341.public.rwc.webtv.net

<Kyryn strolls into the room munching on a cybercookie>

Fleur> Good to know that there are other Tigger fans around. <g>

Doug> Sorry to hear about the break-in. On a better note, congratulations on a Texas win!

Coyote> Pardon my ignorance as I echo Wilek's post, but just what is a "Bando"?

Theresa> Sixteen!!?? I have enough trouble with the one. BTW, click my name to see today's 'Rose is Rose'. Absolute hilarity for those who have cats!

SPOILERS WARNING

The Rising is like a roller coaster. Pt. 1 is that long climb up the first hill, where you get to look around, enjoy the view, and get set for the ride. Pt. 2 kicks off the top of the hill and leaves you screaming all the way down.

I enjoyed the terror generated by the Unseelie ride, but I felt that it ended a bit choppily.

I too was glad to see Lex and Liz get to see each other again. And, to add to Static Pulse's comments about the 'union of the races', this could also apply to Lex and Liz in time. I think that it would be highly appropiate if this were the case, considering what Maddox did to Lex.

END SPOILERS

<Kyryn pulls out a shakuhachi and starts playing an eerie tune as she slowly fades away>

*cybercookie to anyone who knows what a shakuhachi is. I think that I've got the spelling right.*
Kyryn - [bmashburn@yahoo.com]
Uvalde, TX
Monday, October 12, 1998 10:16:25 PM
IP: 168.37.239.86

[The screen comes on. Wilek, Miriam, Wavers, Seri, Jake, Teri, Anoth, Forfexx, and Mandi's psycho mutant dog are engaged in a firefight with Wilek Fieger the Second.] Hello, all. We've gotten to the snothead who started all this and it won't be long now!

Theresa> You really have sixteen cats?! I just made up a number...

Coyote> I knew about Dahak, but thanks anyhow. And your clone count is actually 18 down, 8 to go, counting the 26th one that SJ accidentally made. I've been keeping a running tally in Notepad. Um, what's a Bando?

Pendragon nitpicks> The first few eps refer to gargs as the first race and humans as the second. In the show, it was the other way around. What happened?

Arianna> Glad to see you in here!

Wow, my Unseelie "Be Prepared" skit was very well recieved. And I didn't even really change anything except the participants and the Simba reference.

Traveler> Kewl creepy entrance last week.

Doug> You were robbed?! Dang it!!! After we're finished with Wilek Fieger, we'll hunt the idiot down and kill him/her/it for you. But not before we find out what he/she/it did with your stuff. Vigilante justice, baby! Ain't nothin' like it!

SJ> Kewl hounds. Hope they're housebroken.

I have a 56K modem, but it's not V90 compatible, so my ISP will only connect at 28K. Ack.

Well, must continue the battle. DIE FIEGER DIE! [Suddenly, Christine gets an idea. She runs out to her car and gets the blessed Goliath figurine that hangs from her rearview mirror, then has Theresa teleport it to Wilek.] Hey, thanks! [Wilek holds the figurine out in front of him, at Wilek Fieger.] Abite, tu mal! [Wilek Fieger the Second emits an eerie, echoing roar of agony as his flesh melts from his bones, leaving him as little more than a skeleton lying in a puddle of its own liquescent viscera and connective tissue.] Eww. Well, it's 7 down 18 to go for mine. We'll be on our way back soon. Where's Mandi's dog gotten off to? [The screen shuts off.]
Wilek Nereus
Monday, October 12, 1998 09:50:48 PM
IP: tnt-2-181-56k.portsmouth.zoomnet.net

Sorry DumlaoX, I get the comment room gif beautifully. When I go to the TGS picture archieve, I get a file not found type message. It simply says they can't find the file. Sorry I wasnt' more specific. Even if I can't get a picture sometimes I get a little black box that should be a picture. Which means it tried but that's all it could get.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 09:22:04 PM
IP: proxy-341.public.rwc.webtv.net

*flies in with a large banner behind him that reads: SPOILER WARNINGS*

oK! I loved it! I'm always a fan of holiday themed tales, but this was good.

A query for those who know more than I: What are Nuckelavees and Whowies? Are they like the gnomes/trolls who built the Quarrymen hammers or are they experimenting with new forms of magic? Just curious.

Also, has any one considered that Goliath and Elisa aren't the pairing that Madoc knows of? Let's not forget the Japanese clan. Also, there's the Pendragon duo. Then.. *hops up and down excitedly* Oh, I know who it is! What human and Gargoyle pair do the Wierd sisters love? Demona and MacBeth! That MUST be it. If they ever can work together, I bet that's the downfall! Remember, when Brook went to the future, the two were friends afterall. So sometime they must've made up. Anyway, just curious if anyone thought of that. Sorry if I seemingly stole the idea from the board, I don't remember reading it.

***END OF SPOILERS***

Anyway, let me scoot. I have homework to do... Just wanted to say both parts of "The Rising" rule! See ya.

*flies out of the room singing: "MacBeth and Demona sitting in a tree..."*
Static-Pulse - [khovak@hotmail]
Monday, October 12, 1998 08:55:26 PM
IP: 207.157.86.137

**Coyote enters the room, hands covered in a weird silvery substance.**

Please, excuse my shoddiness. I've been replacing the brake drums on Lexington.

Mandi, Todd: Actually, today (Columbus Day, which was why the bank was closed) in the Native American community is probably better known as "Oh Crap There Goes The Continent" Day.

Ravyn: Well ... it wasn't much of a reunion, really. It was more like let's get forty of our classmates together and have a night at the bar. There wasn't a single bando at the reunion save me, not even a third of the class was there, and it quickly degenerated into nothing but hanging out at the local bar.
So ... it's only fair ... how was Homecoming?

Once again, good job on "Rising II." Kudos to everybody!!

**Cadillac enters the room and starts tossing chocolate covered granola bars around the room. Coyote rolls his eyes and leaves.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Monday, October 12, 1998 06:48:50 PM
IP: 207.91.254.62

THERESA-- Um, I'm gonna need an explanation of your Elisa GIF problem. I can see it perfectly clear here in the comment room. Or are you talking about another area of the site?
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Monday, October 12, 1998 06:43:04 PM
IP: clsb-mac-16.clicc.ucla.edu

"The Rising" was intended as being set on Halloween rather than October 5th from the start. Just because an episode comes out on a certain date in RL doesn't mean that it's set on that same date in the story. "Eye of the Beholder" in the original series was also a Halloween episode, but it wasn't originally shown on Halloween.

As for the "The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" quote - well, I certainly hadn't thought of that at the time. But it's very likely that I had it in mind sub-consciously when I wrote that bit. Very good, Ed.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, October 12, 1998 06:37:34 PM
IP: pn8-ppp-138.primary.net

Deuce: Well, I have unlimited internet access and a 46k modem...of course, since the phonelines where I live are never able to sustain anything above 28.8...I'm pretty much in your shoes. *checks connection status to prove his point* 42,666 bps?! Woa, talk about irony... Well, I'm going to go find something to download before my good fortune decides to double cross me. On a final note, I did have a 28.8 modem up until just a couple months ago, and I'd say that unlimited access is worthwhile regardless! :)
Entity
Monday, October 12, 1998 06:35:47 PM
IP: ely-oh4-43.ix.netcom.com

The banks are closed due to Columbus Day. The day
when he finally stopped to asked directions and was still lost.

My Elisa GIF is still inaccessible. I keep getting file not found. Sniff.
Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 06:35:36 PM
IP: proxy-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net

**A shimmering green portal opens, and through it we can see a greatly reorganized dorm room, with Mandi sitting at the computer. Camera pan to show that there is neither roommate nor belongings of roommate present. Mandi clears her throat as the view pans back to her, and hops into the comment room.**

Okay, okay, I have to gush. I have my own room til the end of the term! Mwa ha ha!

Doug -- Hope you get your stuff back. I'm glad you didn't lose the computer/VCR/stereo, but anyone who steals your passport has some problems. You didn't have any papers or anything in that backpack that was due to be turned in, did you? Sorry to joke, but that would be an excuse that a professor wouldn't expect.

Deuce -- It's Thanksgiving Monday in Canada? Maybe THAT'S why the $(%&^(# bank was inexplicably closed here. (Seriously. They'll use any excuse to shut down.)

**EPISODE SPOILERS BEGIN, again**

Got to agree with everyone who's said so before--I loved the return of Liz in Rising pt. 2. But something else that I liked, just because it was chilling and a bit comic at the same time, was the fate of the nutcase proclaiming the end of the world. Garlon's casual attitude towards his death, while not exactly cavalier, was actually more effective in showing how little regard the Unseelie have for mortals than the general rampage did.

Pretty much everyone else has already beat me to it on the rest. About Owen explaining rather than Puck--it might have been more fitting for Puck to retell the tale, but he would have put some theatrics into it, even if they were only slight. The situation here was a bit too serious.

Okay. Midterm tomorrow. Work to do!

**EPISODE SPOILERS END, and Mandi claps twice and the portal opens again. She jumps through and pulls out her Physics book with a sigh as the portal closes.**
Mandi Ohlin - [weird_web@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 12, 1998 05:52:34 PM
IP: 144.175.17.40

**Zath changes from Lurk mode to Irk mode and steps out of the shadows**
Just a little creativity demon that hatched from the Bruce Campbell discussion that I thought someone might like to run with: Ash vs. Demona... Just how many shotgun blasts can Demona take before she gives up and goes away?
OK, that's it for now. Bye for now.
**Zath returns to Lurk mode and is enveloped by shadows.**
Zath - [zath@rocketmail.com]
Monday, October 12, 1998 04:57:32 PM
IP: ppp50.worldaxes.com

**Sevarius Jr. wanders into the comment room with several large beasts on leashes. They're each about the size of a full grown lion, with black fur, enormous jaws and claws, and glowing red eyes. They're straining against their leashes.**

Whoa, down boys! Okay, I guess I'm number 20 something.

As you can see, I've got some friends with me. These are the "Hounds." I genetically engineered these furballs, and raised them since they were pups. They love me, don't you guys!

**The Hounds lung at SJ, who recoils in terror.**

Whoa! Sorry, forgot to feed them this morning. They're usually like big teddy bears. Anyway, I'm going hunting for your thief, Doug. If he/she is out there, my buddies here are gonna track him down. Maybe I can get your stuff back.

Brian: Try Bruce Campbell's website for AOD audio files. Click on my name to go there.

Alright, let's go boys. Remember this time, no dismemberment. I had to fill out all those police forms last time, and I don't wanna have to do that again. Okay, let's goooooooooo-WHOA! SLOW DOWN!

**The Hounds, excited at the thrill of the hunt, take off out of the comment room, dragging SJ behind them.**
Sevarius Jr. - [bpoole@mailexcite.com]
Monday, October 12, 1998 04:35:33 PM
IP: 207-172-60-213.s213.tnt7.brd.erols.com

PENDRAGON-- You might need to read the last few eps of Pendragon if you wanna understand next week's ep. Of course, we recommend reading everything for THE full effect.
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Monday, October 12, 1998 02:19:33 PM
IP: 128.97.251.74

Ha-ha! I'm not in school! Oh, I love being Canadian. Today being Thanksgiving Monday, I can stay home, sit in front of my computer, and surf the 'Net all day. (QUESTION: is unlimited Internet time worth it if you only have a 28.8 modem?)

And nobody answered my question from last week! Will I have to catch up on Pendragon (i.e. read entire first season) to understand next week's crossover? I know I'm not the only non-reader of PD.

***AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE U.E. (UNLUCKY ELEVEN) WHO HAVEN'T READ "THE RISING II", YOU SHOULD. BECAUSE THERE ARE SPOILERS AHEAD.***

Finally! Liz returns! She has to be my favorite minor character overall. Very dynamic, and the kind of person you would love to meet. Thanks for bringing her back!

LOKI-- I remember last week someone mentioned that Loki was just "Puck's evil twin", and he wasn't hugely sinister like hinted at in "Gros Bon Ange". I hope you (whoever you are) are satisfied. Loki's a mean S.O.G. (don't ask), that's for sure.

GOLIATH AND ELISA-- Look out, guys! They're after you! I guess their relationship could mean a "union of the races". *pause, uses telepathy* I can hear what's going on in your heads. That's pretty gross. They're not going to take that LITERALLY.

Are you?

***SPOILERS ARE OVER. FOR NOW. BUT C'MON, IF YOU HAVE TIME TO READ THE COMMENT ROOM, YOU SHOULD HAVE TIME TO READ THE EPISODE.***
Deuce - [myob@nevermind.com]
CanadaMonday, October 12, 1998 01:48:17 PM
IP: ppp087.connect.ab.ca

DOUG-- Good luck getting your stuff back. Hope you get it back soon.

RAVYN-- Very good. The Billy & Susan in this week's ep are indeed the same Billy and Susan from "The Thrill Of The Hunt".

ARCHIVE-- This was always up since the revision of the site. Kinda surprised no one noticed it.

TIMEDANCER-- OK, one last time. January 1999. If we have any more details, it will be posted here.

-----WARNING!!! MINOR SPOILER AHEAD!!!-----

RISING PART 2-- ATTENTION!!! A new pic from Siryn has been added to the episode. It's the pic of Loki eating popcorn on his horse.

-----SPOILER ENDS!!!-----

ONE WEEK-- Who said you have to wait 2 weeks? Remember, this is crossover season for Pendragon & Gargoyles. Anything can happen.

Till next time...
DumlaoX - [dumlaox@ucla.edu]
Monday, October 12, 1998 01:26:59 PM
IP: dhcp59.oac-commons.ucla.edu

***RISING SPOILERS***

"Madoc stared at it, speechless, a sudden look of alarm upon his features. Not until it had faded did he speak. "Is this indeed the truth?" he asked the Morrigan. "If I find that you have been lying to me - .""

The above quote from The Rising… that has got to be taken from The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe!

Also, Loki's little "you know Timedancer…" speech about letting someone shove him in a small thing, sound very much like Genie of the Lamp :)

Anyway, onto the story. The likes:
-Liz & Lex. Excellent! :D
-Loki, Garlon and the general unseelie adventures- good job! I loved Loki's bits especially.
-Fox trying to persuade the major.
-The Oberon flashbacks.
-Danu's statement about her sons both being shameful in their actions and judgement. I could swear that there's another source there, but I can't think of one now…
-The fact that it seems likely that Danu is out there somewhere… hmm… *very suspicious*

A few dislikes:
-I thought the date was 5th October, not 31st! What happened to the date? *puzzled*
-I think it should have been Puck and not Owen that explained the unseelie details. Because otherwise, that's him stepping out of his role as Owen. I mean, I know he has done in THE GATHERING & REPRISALS, but never in that sort of depth. I think if it was from Puck's memory, it should be from Puck's mouth…

Anyway, excellent episode and a lovely cliffhanger!

***RISING SPOILERS END HERE. JUST LIKE THIS POST***
ED - [ed.reynolds@virgin.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 01:16:16 PM
IP: modem-112.xenon.dialup.pol.co.uk

So, is the Timedancer series gonna start again any time soon?! I'm dyin' here!!!
mYstiQue - [mystique_42@hotmail.com]
Brooklyn, Broadway, Lexington
Monday, October 12, 1998 12:50:12 PM
IP: ip154.newark3.nj.pub-ip.psi.net

Doug> I'm really sorry to hear that you got robbed. It's a really weird case, though, because I don't know what the guy was thinking when he took the things he did. Oh well. I hope you're able to recover the stolen stuff and find the guy so you can bring him in here and have all of us 'rough him up a bit.' ;) Good luck! :)

**TGS SPOILERS!**
Whoa. That Unseelie Ride thing was pretty creepy. I thought the Doomsday guy was pretty interesting, and was the family with Susan & Billy the same as from "Thrill of the Hunt?" Just wondering...And Madoc is going after Elisa and Goliath next? Oh my gosh...how are they gonna get through this? Well, Todd and anyone else involved, my compliments on another really great story! Can't wait to read more! **SPOILERS DONE**

Coyote> How was your high school reunion? Just curious, you don't have to say if you don't want.

Later, all!

Ravyn Maza
Monday, October 12, 1998 12:33:46 PM
IP: svm-ts7-26.c2i2.com

Sorry to hear about your getting robbed, Doug, and I hope that you recover the stolen property.

Well, today is Columbus Day, a day named after a man who, as the old saying goes, didn't know where he was going, didn't know where he was when he got there, and when he got back, didn't know where he'd been. (Or, to be more accurate, knew where he was going/was/had been, but was completely wrong :) My best holiday wishes to everybody here!
Todd Jensen - [merlyn@ninenet.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, October 12, 1998 07:32:21 AM
IP: pn8-ppp-154.primary.net

Fleur: Thanks for the aid, but I don't think those guys will be able to help me much. However, I've made some progress so far. The police came and gone, they know what all has been taken. My passport was one of the things, I will report it stolen tomorrow and that will help get the guy. Ditto for the checks he took. I'm just so surprised he only grabbed my backpack and a few videogames, no CDs (easy cash) or the really valuable stuff (computer, TV, VCR, toaster, stereo, etc.). The officer who came over thinks he was probably after textbooks, that's why he took the backpack. The videogames he can also pawn and get cash from (needless to say, I will be checking area pawnshops to see if my stuff turns up there), but I also don't get why he (if it was a he, and I have a feeling it was) took some of my software. I mean, you can't pawn software anyplace. So, he must be a computer game addict, like me. <grin> Anyway, tomorrow I'll talk to the burglary detective, we'll get it sorted out. I'll also report my checks and passport gone, that'll hopefully help them track him down faster. (I don't think he could have cashed any checks yet. I left on a Friday, they were here, and I'll be reporting the theft on a Monday. My bank account should be intact.) And I can get duplicates of everything that was in my backpack with a couple mediocre exceptions. I remember everything he took from me notewise, I can get new syllabi from my professors, this a-hole didn't cost me the semester. I'm just really mad this happened right now. But don't worry, I'll deal with it. I'll change the locks, rebuild my life, get new school supplies and videogames as well as a Gameshark, and I will survive. Kitainia gets home tomorrow, she'll help me. Thanks for the encouragement.

Okay, that's all I had to say. Later!
Doug
Monday, October 12, 1998 04:03:53 AM
IP: hd25-048.hil.compuserve.com

*Fleur stumbles into the Comment Room, opens her mouth, then stops*
(Opps, nearly forgot)
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Rising part two was fantastic! I loved it!! Especially the Lex and Liz thing and that scene with the doomsday dude. (I _really_ hate those people, so it gave me a great deal of evil pleasure. Mwahahahaha!!)
END SPOILER ALERT.
*Gives Kyryn Oatmeal raisin Cyber cookie.* Winnie the Pooh and all his friends are the mascots of a group of friends and I, and Tigger is my personal favourite. Considering the youngest is seventeen years old, it's kinda scary for our hero to be an teddy bear with a honey fetish, but, hey, we could do worse. ;)
Wilek> There's three gas thingies, but because of pathetic planning, when one went the other two couldn't work either, so it effected the entire state. *grrr!* We still have heating restictions (nice way of saying we can't use our heaters _at all_) but after ten days of cold showers, plus the fact that two guys died in the explosion and several others were injured, putting on an extra jumper isn't that bad by comparison. It's still a pain though, and it should have never happened.
Doug> Might I suggest some help with your investigation? *Fleur sticks her head out the CR door and yells 'Come on in, guys!' Elisa, Matt and Broadway, (complete with fedora and trench coat) walk in.* They're good at solving crimes, but one has a habit of falling off rooftops, one is a member of the illuminati, and the third turns to stone when the sun rises. Should be interesting. :) Seriously though, good luck.
TTFN!
*Fleur runs out the CR, leaving Elisa, Matt and Broadway behind. They immediately begin asking questions.*


Fleur - [newgoyle@hotmail.com]
Monday, October 12, 1998 03:15:39 AM
IP: proxy.monash.edu.au

I see that sneaking in the back way at the text archive is still getting me a look at the new episode faster than the "current episode" button at gargoyles-fan.org. Whatever works, sez I, and again another great episode from the production crew. Definitely a case of never having things quite the same again after this night.
Philip Jacobs - [nementh@visi.net]
Newport News, VA, USA
Monday, October 12, 1998 02:06:33 AM
IP: ppp26.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net

(Doug returns after a long absence.)

Well, I got back from my weekend trip, and you know what? I come in, and after a few minutes of looking around realize that my backpack complete with all my school stuff, all three of my Playstation games, and several of my computer games are all missing! Somebody got into my apartment while I was gone (I suspect they jimmied the door lock, no broken windows or anything), and took it all! What's weird is they didn't take any of the truly valuable stuff. My computer is still here, so's my TV, my VCR, all my CDs and videos. It's just so weird. The police haven't helped so far with my phone call to them about it, I suspect I'll be calling again tomorrow to have a man sent over. This really sucks! I also plan to conduct my own investigation into the matter. I'll check area pawnshops to see if someone could have sold the games, I'll check with the office to see if anyone from there could have come in here while I was gone (I think the door was locked when I got here, which means they must have had a key!), I'll even skip class if I have to because me getting my stuff back is much more important. Please everyone wish me luck in this endeavor and pray for success.

(Warning: Episode Spoilers!)
Now, a comment on The Rising, part 2: Great job, TGS people! I must say that its cliffhangers only increased my depression, but it was still a good read. Madoc and Maeve are gonna go after Goliath and Elisa next, huh? Uh oh! And I'm glad Lex and Liz are now drawing closer and she knows he's a garg and all. :) The scenes of Unseelie attacking people in New York were very well-written, also. I also liked seeing the flashbacks. So the Weird Sisters were the ones who messed it all up, huh? Wonder when they're going to take their rightful places as part of the Unseelie Court. Interesting that they delivered the prophecy mentioned in "Reprisals." (In my fanfic world, it was Silvan instead of them, but that's okay. I can adapt. And the story I'm telling of Madoc and the rest of the world is very different from TGS's anyway.) All in all, a good job. Keep up the good work! (End Spoilers)

Fanfic News: Well, Chris still doesn't have the form back up. But if anybody wants a copy of "Masterpiece," just e-mail me and I'll send you one. I'll start my next story when I have time. This goddamn investigation and school are going to take it up for quite a while, so this time I won't be quite as fast. I'll get it done, don't worry. There's just too damn much going on in my life right now for me to think about it.

Bruce Campbell: I too am a fan of him. If my fanfic were televised, either he or Kurt Russell would be my pick to do the role of Seth. :)

Okay, that's all I have to say for now. I have to go formulate a plan for what I'm gonna do later to get my stuff back. I'll keep everyone here updated on it. Till next time, Bye!!
(Doug leaves, wondering if he'll get any sleep tonight.)
Doug - [frostfire@mail.utexas.edu]
Monday, October 12, 1998 01:46:12 AM
IP: hd49-023.hil.compuserve.com

(Brian walks back into the room in his robes . He then returns to the symbol on the floor , and kneels down .) Thank you great Oracle for your revelations .

Todd/Kathy : That story was one piece of work . AND I HAVE TO WAIT TWO WEEKS FOR THE NEXT EPISODE . Oh man , cliff hangers galore today man . this can't be healthy . Anyway . All but one of the plotlines I wanted to see developed , were . So I'm pretty satisfied .

Sevarius JR : Any idea where I can get some sound clips from AOD .

(Brian walks out of the room as his name is screamed out by someone outside . He then starts to run away as a shadowed figure runs into view holding a large scythe with which it is trying to dismember Brian . ) Bisi I swear it was an accident .

LIAR !!! . YOU WILL DIE FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE .
Brian - [aliscke@jamweb.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 12:53:06 AM
IP: 208.11.41.201

So when does Timdancer start up again we are waiting.

Silver Airo - [slvrairo]
Monday, October 12, 1998 12:49:19 AM
IP: dt0d0n67.san.rr.com

TENTH!!!

The archive is back up? Alright!
Traveler - [traveler45@usa.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 12:27:35 AM
IP: 173-128-88.ipt.aol.com

NINTH!!!!

And let me say, that its great to have the archive back again!


Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen "Coldstone" Sobotka, Jr. - [stephenrsjr@hotmail.com]
Spokane, WA, USA
Monday, October 12, 1998 12:25:34 AM
IP: 207.170.232.65

Actually number eight. Yes S8 was down but the story archieve is up. Yeah!!! Thank you who have worked so hard to keep up happy.

Starsinger
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Monday, October 12, 1998 12:06:57 AM
IP: proxy-331.public.rwc.webtv.net

Ninth.
Theresa - [Starsinger@Webtv.net]
Sunday, October 11, 1998 11:59:55 PM
IP: proxy-331.public.rwc.webtv.net

**Coyote zips back in the room to add:**

Rising Part 2: AWESOME! Now the fun begins ...

**Coyote leaves.**
Coyote the Bando - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 11, 1998 11:24:37 PM
IP: 207.91.254.42

Seventh !
Kheetor
Sunday, October 11, 1998 11:17:50 PM
IP: 171-48-214.ipt.aol.com

Ok 6th then .
Brian
Sunday, October 11, 1998 11:11:45 PM
IP: 208.11.41.208

5th .
Brian
Sunday, October 11, 1998 11:10:30 PM
IP: 208.11.41.208

FIFTH!

Well, around nonn (central time) I tried to access this comment room, and it was down. Later, I went to Station 8 itself, and got the same apache web page that was on www.gargoyles-fans.org last week. At least it was finished sooner, with less bugs this time...
Bar Tender
Sunday, October 11, 1998 11:08:27 PM
IP: pppt06-235.ght.iadfw.net

Just read the Rising: part 2. Anwsered a few of my questions! :)

FORTH!
Fire Storm - [Night-Flame@usa.net]
Sunday, October 11, 1998 10:59:22 PM
IP: dhcp162.visitus.net

**Two Coyotes enter the room. One is holding up three fingers on one hand. The other's holding up seven fingers ... on one hand???**

Anywhere from third to seventh. **sees what the other Coyote is doing** FREAK!! **pulls out 50 pound sledgehammer and bashes the clone's brains in.** There. I feel cleansed.

BTW, for those interested in "What Dreams May Come": Saw it tonight. It has to be *seen* to be *believed.* Awesome film, IMHO.

**Coyote drags the corpse of Coyote the Freakish Mutant out of the room. 14 down, 8 to go.**
Coyote the Bando and Coyote the Freakish Mutant - [1134@i-is.com]
Algonac, Michigan
Sunday, October 11, 1998 10:53:43 PM
IP: 207.91.254.42

After tonight, nothing will ever be the same

The Rising - part 2

Story Idea by Todd jensen & Kathy Pogge.

Written by Kathy Pogge & Todd Jensen.

Illustrations by Siryn

and for the record, everything is online, including the story archives.

Enjoy!
DumlaoX
Sunday, October 11, 1998 10:42:28 PM
IP: ts31-15.wla.ts.ucla.edu

Station 8 is up? When did it go down? Well anyway it's a really cool site...and I am not just saying that. ;)
David - [smokey1@silcom.com]
Los Alamos, CA, U.S.A.
Sunday, October 11, 1998 10:42:25 PM
IP: pm1-9.sma.silcom.com